1 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:13,265 Hi, and welcome KCIW 2 00:00:13,565 --> 00:00:16,285 listeners at one hundred point seven FM or 3 00:00:16,285 --> 00:00:18,524 online at kciw.org, 4 00:00:18,524 --> 00:00:19,585 Brookings, Oregon. 5 00:00:19,964 --> 00:00:22,304 Hi to our syndicated listeners at KZZH 6 00:00:23,005 --> 00:00:26,204 ninety six point seven FM, Access Humble, Eureka, 7 00:00:26,204 --> 00:00:26,704 California, 8 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:29,079 and our listeners at KSKQ 9 00:00:29,859 --> 00:00:32,979 eighty nine point five FM, Ashland and ninety 10 00:00:32,979 --> 00:00:36,520 four point one FM, Medford, Oregon. This is 11 00:00:36,739 --> 00:00:40,259 Joyously Free Radio with me, Joni Lindenmaier, the 12 00:00:40,259 --> 00:00:42,739 best selling author of None Better, an amazing 13 00:00:42,739 --> 00:00:45,674 love story and coauthor of Joyously Free and 14 00:00:45,674 --> 00:00:46,975 Healing Religious Hurts. 15 00:00:47,274 --> 00:00:49,195 I am so glad that you are tuning 16 00:00:49,195 --> 00:00:51,274 in today. We're gonna have a great time 17 00:00:51,274 --> 00:00:53,515 on this show. I'm a resident of Harbor, 18 00:00:53,515 --> 00:00:56,075 Oregon, a retired high school teacher, a recent 19 00:00:56,075 --> 00:00:57,994 author who has published three books in two 20 00:00:57,994 --> 00:01:00,759 years, created an audiobook, and with friend and 21 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:04,200 film producer, Michael Gorse, created a short film 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,099 called Wowzer. 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,759 Life is just one big bowl of cherries 24 00:01:08,759 --> 00:01:11,159 right now. But most of all, right now, 25 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:13,354 this very moment, I love life and love 26 00:01:13,354 --> 00:01:15,674 being the producer and host of this high 27 00:01:15,674 --> 00:01:17,454 energy, joyously free 28 00:01:17,834 --> 00:01:21,274 radio, GADIO show so named by my friends 29 00:01:21,274 --> 00:01:24,094 Will and Viv. This show talks about LGBTQ 30 00:01:24,474 --> 00:01:27,215 plus stories and tips along with religion, 31 00:01:27,769 --> 00:01:29,549 church, faith, spirituality, 32 00:01:29,930 --> 00:01:33,310 and joy. Most importantly, it is about abundant 33 00:01:33,450 --> 00:01:36,569 joy and freedom, hence the title Joyously Free, 34 00:01:36,569 --> 00:01:38,409 which is also the name of my second 35 00:01:38,409 --> 00:01:40,729 book that I coauthored with Elizabeth Ann Atkins 36 00:01:40,729 --> 00:01:42,030 of two sisters writing. 37 00:01:42,674 --> 00:01:44,454 In this radio broadcast today, 38 00:01:44,755 --> 00:01:46,935 just as in every day of my life, 39 00:01:47,475 --> 00:01:48,534 no hate speech, 40 00:01:48,915 --> 00:01:51,094 no hate behaviors, and no bullying. 41 00:01:51,715 --> 00:01:55,155 Blasting it forward with three c's, courage, confidence, 42 00:01:55,155 --> 00:01:55,814 and collaboration. 43 00:01:56,579 --> 00:01:57,079 Together 44 00:01:57,619 --> 00:02:00,920 today, you, listeners, myself, my guest, let's sparkle 45 00:02:00,979 --> 00:02:03,219 and seek understanding, to think out of a 46 00:02:03,219 --> 00:02:05,299 box or no boxes at all, but to 47 00:02:05,299 --> 00:02:07,399 be open minded as an open parachute. 48 00:02:07,859 --> 00:02:10,419 So let's begin with a daily salutation that 49 00:02:10,419 --> 00:02:13,064 Carol and I did for forty years every 50 00:02:13,064 --> 00:02:15,305 morning. I'm going to say it's a brand 51 00:02:15,305 --> 00:02:17,944 new day, and your response is it's never 52 00:02:17,944 --> 00:02:20,584 been lived before. Here we go. It's a 53 00:02:20,584 --> 00:02:21,564 brand new day. 54 00:02:22,584 --> 00:02:24,030 It's never been lived before. 55 00:02:24,509 --> 00:02:25,949 Oh, I love it. I love it. Okay. 56 00:02:25,949 --> 00:02:27,709 You're gonna meet Deidre here pretty soon, and 57 00:02:27,709 --> 00:02:29,629 she's on board. She's on board. It is 58 00:02:29,629 --> 00:02:31,069 a brand new day, and that's how we 59 00:02:31,069 --> 00:02:33,469 start our day. So speaking of being a 60 00:02:33,469 --> 00:02:35,949 brand new day, let's open our hearts as 61 00:02:35,949 --> 00:02:38,189 we ask the divine to shine light on 62 00:02:38,189 --> 00:02:38,849 our community 63 00:02:39,555 --> 00:02:40,294 and our world. 64 00:02:41,314 --> 00:02:42,294 I excitedly 65 00:02:42,835 --> 00:02:43,895 believe in hope, 66 00:02:44,194 --> 00:02:45,895 in the power of the spiritual, 67 00:02:46,275 --> 00:02:48,455 and that Jesus, God, spirit, 68 00:02:48,754 --> 00:02:49,254 whatever 69 00:02:49,635 --> 00:02:52,375 name you put on a higher being, 70 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,340 is always with me and always with you. 71 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,340 So we do not need to be afraid 72 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:58,219 or troubled, 73 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,139 saddened or depressed, 74 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:03,159 but that joy and peace and love are 75 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:04,620 an internal expression 76 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,175 of that harmony that is already within us. 77 00:03:08,655 --> 00:03:10,675 We only have to reach deep and within 78 00:03:10,735 --> 00:03:12,115 and let it out. 79 00:03:12,574 --> 00:03:13,955 So let's center ourselves 80 00:03:14,895 --> 00:03:15,395 calmly, 81 00:03:15,694 --> 00:03:16,194 quietly. 82 00:03:16,974 --> 00:03:18,594 Take a deep breath in, 83 00:03:20,574 --> 00:03:21,840 in with the good 84 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:24,900 and out with doubt. 85 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,060 Again, breathe in through your nose with hope 86 00:03:30,959 --> 00:03:33,060 and out from your mouth with fears. 87 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:37,219 Last one. Slowly 88 00:03:37,775 --> 00:03:39,634 take a big deep breath in 89 00:03:40,574 --> 00:03:41,395 with joy 90 00:03:43,375 --> 00:03:45,875 and out with worry or despair. 91 00:03:47,055 --> 00:03:48,675 In the name of mother earth, 92 00:03:49,294 --> 00:03:50,514 a creator god, 93 00:03:51,215 --> 00:03:52,860 a Jesus, a redeemer, 94 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:55,020 the blowing winds of the Holy Spirit. 95 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,540 Hi love. Hi light. Hi Jesus. 96 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:00,379 Hi spiritual. 97 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,400 Thank you for being with us on this 98 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,379 beautiful day. 99 00:04:05,355 --> 00:04:08,254 Today's quote, I actually picked from the bible, 100 00:04:08,715 --> 00:04:10,895 and it's Psalm one twenty one. 101 00:04:11,675 --> 00:04:13,615 And it says, just real simple, 102 00:04:14,314 --> 00:04:16,895 the lord will guard your going and coming, 103 00:04:17,115 --> 00:04:19,055 both now and forever. 104 00:04:20,939 --> 00:04:24,220 Psalm one twenty one. The Lord will guard 105 00:04:24,220 --> 00:04:24,960 your going 106 00:04:25,340 --> 00:04:26,080 and coming 107 00:04:26,460 --> 00:04:28,160 both now and forever. 108 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:30,620 And when I read that this morning in 109 00:04:30,620 --> 00:04:31,600 my prayer corner, 110 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:33,439 I thought to myself, 111 00:04:34,060 --> 00:04:37,435 yes. I have so often felt guarded, 112 00:04:37,814 --> 00:04:38,314 protected 113 00:04:39,334 --> 00:04:42,294 from from bad weather to maybe a bad 114 00:04:42,294 --> 00:04:45,254 relationship or to maybe negativity that has hit 115 00:04:45,254 --> 00:04:48,534 me. But you know what? I always felt 116 00:04:48,534 --> 00:04:49,834 guarded and protected. 117 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:52,550 All I needed to do was just trust 118 00:04:52,770 --> 00:04:53,589 and believe 119 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:55,750 trust and believe 120 00:04:56,129 --> 00:04:57,589 now and forever 121 00:04:58,050 --> 00:04:59,509 that all will be well. 122 00:04:59,889 --> 00:05:02,550 I know those are simple reflections, simple comments, 123 00:05:02,610 --> 00:05:04,610 but maybe you can think about that today 124 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:05,110 yourself. 125 00:05:05,675 --> 00:05:08,154 The Lord will guard you, your going and 126 00:05:08,154 --> 00:05:09,694 coming, both now and forever. 127 00:05:10,475 --> 00:05:12,795 So I'll end our prayer by lifting up 128 00:05:12,795 --> 00:05:14,014 our friends and family. 129 00:05:14,634 --> 00:05:16,495 May divine guidance and healing 130 00:05:16,795 --> 00:05:17,855 bless us today. 131 00:05:18,289 --> 00:05:20,610 May we hear a bigger message than just 132 00:05:20,610 --> 00:05:21,910 our own self centeredness 133 00:05:22,370 --> 00:05:24,689 and that we do and be for others 134 00:05:24,689 --> 00:05:26,149 as much. Amen. 135 00:05:26,930 --> 00:05:29,410 Oh, okay. I know. I get a little 136 00:05:29,410 --> 00:05:31,854 spiritually involved here, everybody, and it's like that 137 00:05:31,935 --> 00:05:34,014 that's my prayer life. That's my life. Because 138 00:05:34,014 --> 00:05:36,014 if I don't center it on something bigger 139 00:05:36,014 --> 00:05:38,574 than me, things don't work out. So with 140 00:05:38,574 --> 00:05:41,055 that, it's a happy day together. K c 141 00:05:41,055 --> 00:05:42,654 I w, k z z h, and k 142 00:05:42,654 --> 00:05:45,419 s k q, an even happier day because 143 00:05:45,419 --> 00:05:47,419 we get to hang out with a really, 144 00:05:47,419 --> 00:05:48,639 really cool person. 145 00:05:49,019 --> 00:05:49,919 And Deidra 146 00:05:50,379 --> 00:05:53,339 Schlatter is is my friend, and I've known 147 00:05:53,339 --> 00:05:55,339 her for a few years. She also goes 148 00:05:55,339 --> 00:05:57,740 by the name of Crown Vic, and she 149 00:05:57,740 --> 00:05:59,995 is right here with us. And and and 150 00:05:59,995 --> 00:06:01,834 and the title the title of who she 151 00:06:01,834 --> 00:06:03,294 is, she's a dancer. 152 00:06:03,595 --> 00:06:06,095 She's a performer. She's breaking stereotypes. 153 00:06:06,555 --> 00:06:08,654 She's a drag king luminaire. 154 00:06:09,035 --> 00:06:11,754 And that's our topic today. What or who 155 00:06:11,754 --> 00:06:13,055 is a drag king? 156 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,500 Deidre, thank you for being here with me. 157 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,540 How are you? 158 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,639 I'm doing wonderful. Thank you for inviting me. 159 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:21,699 Oh, my absolutely. 160 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Absolutely. So have you been on radio before, 161 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:24,740 Deidre? 162 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,925 I have not. Not. I know you're a 163 00:06:26,925 --> 00:06:28,925 performer, and you've performed in many places. So 164 00:06:28,925 --> 00:06:31,504 this is gonna be your your Luminaire debut 165 00:06:31,645 --> 00:06:32,464 of radio. 166 00:06:32,925 --> 00:06:35,725 That it is. Correct. Correct. Correct. So tell 167 00:06:35,725 --> 00:06:37,425 everybody, where are you right now? 168 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,980 Right now, I am in Long Beach, California. 169 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:44,340 It's a beautiful sunny day here. 170 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:45,660 It 171 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:47,939 yes. One wonderful 172 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,860 wonderful weather here, 173 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:52,340 and, I'm sitting in my home. 174 00:06:52,754 --> 00:06:53,254 Fantastic. 175 00:06:53,555 --> 00:06:54,055 Fantastic. 176 00:06:54,435 --> 00:06:56,535 And and are you dancing around this morning? 177 00:06:57,395 --> 00:06:59,955 I have been. Yes. And and late last 178 00:06:59,955 --> 00:07:00,995 night as well. 179 00:07:01,395 --> 00:07:04,355 It's, yeah, I'm I'm presently rehearsing for three 180 00:07:04,355 --> 00:07:05,495 different dance ensembles. 181 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:07,720 Oh. So so it's a lot of work 182 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,960 right now. It's wonderful. Oh, and tell me 183 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:10,939 more about these. 184 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,960 Well, all three of them are, 185 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:15,660 from different choreographers. 186 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,540 I'm gonna mention their names because they're wonderful. 187 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:20,300 Makita is one choreographer, 188 00:07:20,854 --> 00:07:23,354 Jermaine McGee, and Joshua Schnell. 189 00:07:23,814 --> 00:07:26,854 And all three of these dance numbers are, 190 00:07:27,735 --> 00:07:29,574 they're spiritual to me in one way or 191 00:07:29,574 --> 00:07:30,694 the other. Mhmm. 192 00:07:31,095 --> 00:07:33,274 Yeah. And what do you mean by that? 193 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,759 Well, one, I would say literally is a 194 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:38,939 spiritual. The music that they chose, 195 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:42,840 the moves that they're having is the movements 196 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,220 that they're having us do 197 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,340 is 198 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:46,779 is 199 00:07:47,324 --> 00:07:48,125 directly speaking 200 00:07:48,605 --> 00:07:49,904 Mhmm. To spirituality. 201 00:07:50,524 --> 00:07:51,024 Mhmm. 202 00:07:51,404 --> 00:07:53,425 And then, one is an African 203 00:07:54,285 --> 00:07:55,985 dance, and that also, 204 00:07:57,084 --> 00:07:59,425 is speaking to culture and history 205 00:07:59,805 --> 00:08:01,504 through storytelling, through dance. 206 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:03,459 And, third one, 207 00:08:03,919 --> 00:08:05,839 by Joshua is more of a, 208 00:08:06,479 --> 00:08:06,979 adorable, 209 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:09,779 fun, abstract concept. Uh-huh. 210 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:13,439 But to me, all movement and dancing brings 211 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:14,819 out a is spiritual. 212 00:08:16,074 --> 00:08:18,235 Very cool. Very cool. How long have you 213 00:08:18,235 --> 00:08:19,375 been dancing, Deidra? 214 00:08:20,074 --> 00:08:22,154 Oh, since I was a child dancing in 215 00:08:22,154 --> 00:08:25,194 my room. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. And 216 00:08:25,194 --> 00:08:27,514 and with music playing or no music playing? 217 00:08:27,514 --> 00:08:29,835 Or tell me more. With music usually with 218 00:08:29,835 --> 00:08:32,370 music playing. Mhmm. Usually with music playing. 219 00:08:32,750 --> 00:08:34,509 And, especially if there was a piece of 220 00:08:34,509 --> 00:08:36,029 furniture that I could get up on to 221 00:08:36,029 --> 00:08:36,529 dance. 222 00:08:37,230 --> 00:08:38,929 I love it. I love it. 223 00:08:39,470 --> 00:08:40,990 If I could get up on a table 224 00:08:40,990 --> 00:08:43,470 or bounce on a couch Uh-huh. Or jump 225 00:08:43,470 --> 00:08:44,414 off of the couch, 226 00:08:45,375 --> 00:08:47,934 and roll onto the floor, I I would 227 00:08:47,934 --> 00:08:50,014 be doing that. Oh my god. I love 228 00:08:50,014 --> 00:08:51,294 it. I love it. I can just see 229 00:08:51,294 --> 00:08:52,815 you as a two, three, or four year 230 00:08:52,815 --> 00:08:55,235 old just bouncing around and grooving and moving. 231 00:08:55,294 --> 00:08:58,200 Oh, how fun. How fun. Oh, man. And 232 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,720 and tell me about the the family life 233 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,019 that you grew up in then. 234 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:05,179 The family life, two working parents, 235 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,360 that are both doing well today. They're living 236 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,254 in the Bay Area. 237 00:09:11,174 --> 00:09:13,815 They're in their my dad's 91. My mom's 238 00:09:13,815 --> 00:09:14,634 87. 239 00:09:14,774 --> 00:09:16,855 Wow. They're doing they're doing very well, and 240 00:09:16,855 --> 00:09:18,794 they're dancing. They are. 241 00:09:19,095 --> 00:09:21,254 They do line dancing, and I I I 242 00:09:21,254 --> 00:09:22,774 don't know all the different names of the 243 00:09:22,774 --> 00:09:23,914 dances, but, 244 00:09:24,695 --> 00:09:27,420 yeah, they're they're dancing as well. Wow. So 245 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:29,679 you literally come from a dancing family? 246 00:09:30,860 --> 00:09:33,580 I do. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I do. That is 247 00:09:33,580 --> 00:09:35,660 awesome. Now do you have siblings too that 248 00:09:35,660 --> 00:09:38,059 are dancers or no siblings? Or I have 249 00:09:38,059 --> 00:09:39,360 a brother and sister. 250 00:09:40,764 --> 00:09:42,684 I'm the only one that's really danced on 251 00:09:42,684 --> 00:09:43,824 stage, I guess. 252 00:09:44,524 --> 00:09:46,764 Right. And, but my brother is a music 253 00:09:46,764 --> 00:09:47,264 composer, 254 00:09:48,524 --> 00:09:50,845 Eben Schletter. Yes. Okay. 255 00:09:51,245 --> 00:09:53,824 He's done he's done music for SpongeBob, 256 00:09:55,324 --> 00:09:56,464 many other things. 257 00:09:57,129 --> 00:09:57,629 Wow. 258 00:09:58,250 --> 00:09:59,389 Yeah. And, 259 00:10:00,089 --> 00:10:02,269 my and my sister has raised two sons. 260 00:10:02,490 --> 00:10:05,209 Okay. Fabulous. Oh, what a great family. What 261 00:10:05,209 --> 00:10:07,129 a great family. You know, and I know 262 00:10:07,129 --> 00:10:08,409 I met you a couple years at a 263 00:10:08,409 --> 00:10:10,330 pride in San Diego, and you were just 264 00:10:10,330 --> 00:10:13,585 so joyous, so happy. And also, you were 265 00:10:13,585 --> 00:10:14,325 an incredible, 266 00:10:15,105 --> 00:10:15,605 compassionate 267 00:10:16,065 --> 00:10:18,384 person at Pride as as we walked around 268 00:10:18,384 --> 00:10:20,945 and saw everybody else celebrating and or some 269 00:10:20,945 --> 00:10:23,345 people just trying to get into the groove 270 00:10:23,345 --> 00:10:25,264 of it, I guess. You know? But your 271 00:10:25,264 --> 00:10:27,750 your attitude was always perfect, and I can 272 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:29,429 tell in your voice today that that is 273 00:10:29,429 --> 00:10:30,730 still going on in you. 274 00:10:31,509 --> 00:10:33,750 Thank you so much. Yep. For sure. So 275 00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:36,009 much. For sure. For sure. Okay. You mentioned, 276 00:10:36,389 --> 00:10:37,690 dancing on stage. 277 00:10:38,149 --> 00:10:40,309 So when was your first time dancing on 278 00:10:40,309 --> 00:10:41,750 stage? And tell us a little bit about 279 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:42,225 some of this. 280 00:10:44,065 --> 00:10:46,225 Well, I'll I'll start with the drag king 281 00:10:46,225 --> 00:10:48,384 history a bit in terms of performing. You 282 00:10:48,384 --> 00:10:50,884 know? Okay. We did not even call ourselves 283 00:10:50,944 --> 00:10:53,024 drag kings back in the day. Mhmm. 284 00:10:53,745 --> 00:10:55,284 We were just male 285 00:10:55,824 --> 00:10:56,324 impersonators. 286 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:59,460 Oh. I don't remember exactly when we started 287 00:10:59,460 --> 00:11:01,779 using the term drag king. Okay. I'm not 288 00:11:01,940 --> 00:11:03,240 I I really can't remember. 289 00:11:04,259 --> 00:11:05,160 But it really 290 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:06,759 wasn't a, 291 00:11:08,179 --> 00:11:10,034 a a thing like the drag queens, 292 00:11:10,434 --> 00:11:12,934 you know, which were already present 293 00:11:14,034 --> 00:11:16,115 and we had knowledge of even when I 294 00:11:16,115 --> 00:11:18,375 was a kid Mhmm. In the Bay Area. 295 00:11:18,754 --> 00:11:20,754 And so there were no places for us 296 00:11:20,754 --> 00:11:22,834 to perform. There were no stages for us 297 00:11:22,834 --> 00:11:25,139 to perform. We couldn't get into the clubs, 298 00:11:25,940 --> 00:11:28,899 even in the Castro District District in San 299 00:11:28,899 --> 00:11:31,559 Francisco. Mhmm. It just wasn't something 300 00:11:31,940 --> 00:11:33,320 somebody wanted to see. 301 00:11:35,059 --> 00:11:38,115 And so we would go to coffee shops, 302 00:11:38,674 --> 00:11:41,475 late night coffee shops, move the tables around, 303 00:11:41,475 --> 00:11:44,054 and we would perform in places like that. 304 00:11:44,355 --> 00:11:44,855 Oh. 305 00:11:45,394 --> 00:11:46,455 Yes. So 306 00:11:47,315 --> 00:11:48,455 that was the start. 307 00:11:48,834 --> 00:11:50,134 Wow. That was the start. 308 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:51,259 Yeah. 309 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:53,879 And and give me an, a time period. 310 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:56,040 Are we talking February, or what what what 311 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,840 are we talking about? Late eighties. Late eighties. 312 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,160 Okay. So I was in college and so, 313 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,660 like, around '88, '89? Mhmm. 314 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:04,700 Uh-huh. 315 00:12:06,254 --> 00:12:08,014 And then, you know, there were bars and 316 00:12:08,014 --> 00:12:08,995 clubs that 317 00:12:09,774 --> 00:12:11,715 were popping up, like, lesbian 318 00:12:12,815 --> 00:12:15,134 clubs and bars. And and once in a 319 00:12:15,134 --> 00:12:17,070 while, you could get a performance in those. 320 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:19,629 Mhmm. Yeah. Mhmm. Mhmm. So were you a 321 00:12:19,629 --> 00:12:21,250 troupe, or were you an individual? 322 00:12:22,830 --> 00:12:24,210 We we were individuals 323 00:12:24,750 --> 00:12:25,809 in San Francisco 324 00:12:26,190 --> 00:12:29,070 who altogether we didn't call ourselves a troupe, 325 00:12:29,070 --> 00:12:31,309 but we we were a troupe. But we 326 00:12:31,309 --> 00:12:34,024 didn't, like, call ourselves that. Uh-huh. 327 00:12:35,365 --> 00:12:35,865 And 328 00:12:36,725 --> 00:12:38,565 and then when I moved to LA, I 329 00:12:38,565 --> 00:12:40,644 was I was just a lone wolf. I 330 00:12:40,644 --> 00:12:44,325 still am. Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. And and 331 00:12:44,325 --> 00:12:46,084 so so let me go back to San 332 00:12:46,084 --> 00:12:46,584 Francisco 333 00:12:46,910 --> 00:12:49,009 when your your first area of of dancing. 334 00:12:49,710 --> 00:12:51,410 Were they paid gigs? 335 00:12:51,790 --> 00:12:52,269 Did you 336 00:12:52,990 --> 00:12:54,929 how did it come about? How how did 337 00:12:55,149 --> 00:12:56,929 how did how did you do that? 338 00:12:57,470 --> 00:12:58,769 Okay. So, 339 00:13:00,534 --> 00:13:02,714 when we decided we were gonna do 340 00:13:03,815 --> 00:13:07,414 performance perform as drag kings, right, as male 341 00:13:07,414 --> 00:13:10,134 impersonators, we took it very literally, my little 342 00:13:10,134 --> 00:13:12,710 group. Okay? We took it very literally. So, 343 00:13:12,710 --> 00:13:13,370 like, we 344 00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:16,309 did not even want to dance and collect 345 00:13:16,309 --> 00:13:19,529 money because in our minds, in societal terms, 346 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:21,370 women danced for money. 347 00:13:21,990 --> 00:13:22,490 Oh. 348 00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:25,350 So we were like, well, we won't even 349 00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:27,495 take money because we weren't thinking of making 350 00:13:27,495 --> 00:13:29,495 it a living at that time. Uh-huh. You 351 00:13:29,495 --> 00:13:31,174 know? It was it was art. It was 352 00:13:31,174 --> 00:13:33,975 us trying to find ourselves and to move 353 00:13:33,975 --> 00:13:35,834 in ways that we wanted to move, 354 00:13:36,615 --> 00:13:37,834 physically and 355 00:13:39,329 --> 00:13:41,110 dress how we wanted to dress 356 00:13:41,490 --> 00:13:41,990 physically, 357 00:13:43,329 --> 00:13:45,970 to make that point and to Mhmm. And 358 00:13:45,970 --> 00:13:48,149 to just put that out into the universe 359 00:13:48,449 --> 00:13:49,110 as well. 360 00:13:49,970 --> 00:13:52,529 The drag queens are so big and loud, 361 00:13:52,529 --> 00:13:54,465 and we just wanted to say, well, we 362 00:13:54,465 --> 00:13:58,384 have our commentary also. Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay? So 363 00:13:58,384 --> 00:13:59,045 for us, 364 00:13:59,424 --> 00:14:02,004 it was about not wearing makeup 365 00:14:02,705 --> 00:14:04,945 and sort of looking more on the drab 366 00:14:04,945 --> 00:14:07,529 side because that's what society had men doing. 367 00:14:07,690 --> 00:14:09,610 Right? They're in their suits, like the man 368 00:14:09,610 --> 00:14:11,850 in the gray flannel suit. Mhmm. That was 369 00:14:11,850 --> 00:14:13,610 right in or in the gray. You know? 370 00:14:13,610 --> 00:14:15,629 There was a movie called that. Right. Right. 371 00:14:16,170 --> 00:14:16,670 So 372 00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:18,750 we were about 373 00:14:19,690 --> 00:14:21,149 getting rid of the femininity 374 00:14:22,095 --> 00:14:22,595 and 375 00:14:23,294 --> 00:14:24,274 and objectifying 376 00:14:24,815 --> 00:14:27,154 and showing the restrictions even 377 00:14:27,615 --> 00:14:28,355 on maleness. 378 00:14:28,815 --> 00:14:31,134 Got it. Got it. That's not as exciting 379 00:14:31,134 --> 00:14:33,294 to look at as drag queens, you know? 380 00:14:33,294 --> 00:14:35,154 So they they sort of had a point. 381 00:14:35,214 --> 00:14:36,269 Right. Right. 382 00:14:37,550 --> 00:14:38,610 Now today, 383 00:14:39,870 --> 00:14:41,009 makeup is okay. 384 00:14:41,870 --> 00:14:42,929 For drag kings. 385 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:45,889 For drag kings. For drag kings today, 386 00:14:46,350 --> 00:14:49,250 makeup is okay. Color is okay. Outfits, 387 00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:51,889 fantasy elements, 388 00:14:53,195 --> 00:14:54,574 sci fi elements, 389 00:14:54,954 --> 00:14:55,934 a lot of cosplay, 390 00:14:56,394 --> 00:14:57,695 costume play things 391 00:14:58,154 --> 00:14:59,375 have been incorporated. 392 00:15:00,315 --> 00:15:00,815 And, 393 00:15:01,355 --> 00:15:05,034 so it's completely different now. Right. Right. And 394 00:15:05,034 --> 00:15:06,794 I I'm not I'm thinking of the websites 395 00:15:06,794 --> 00:15:08,950 and and the, the shows that I have 396 00:15:08,950 --> 00:15:11,450 seen you perform online that I have watched. 397 00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:13,350 You know? And you are an incredible dancer 398 00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:15,429 with your move, first off. You know? But 399 00:15:15,429 --> 00:15:17,990 your your makeup with the sideburn or your 400 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:19,929 mustache or your eye makeup 401 00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:23,504 is just phenomenal as you're becoming this this 402 00:15:24,044 --> 00:15:26,365 male male dancer is what you are, and 403 00:15:26,365 --> 00:15:27,345 I love it. 404 00:15:28,284 --> 00:15:30,444 Oh, thank you so much. You're you're breaking 405 00:15:30,444 --> 00:15:31,424 all of society's 406 00:15:31,804 --> 00:15:34,764 stereotypes, Deidre. You know? You are truly a 407 00:15:34,764 --> 00:15:35,264 luminaire. 408 00:15:36,524 --> 00:15:39,409 Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. It's 409 00:15:39,629 --> 00:15:41,950 been a big part of my life. I've 410 00:15:41,950 --> 00:15:44,129 been doing it a long time, and I'm 411 00:15:44,429 --> 00:15:46,690 I'm incredibly thankful to my friends, 412 00:15:47,629 --> 00:15:49,870 that they're not with me anymore. They're not, 413 00:15:50,269 --> 00:15:52,509 they've moved on to a different world now. 414 00:15:52,509 --> 00:15:53,009 Mhmm. 415 00:15:53,950 --> 00:15:54,450 But 416 00:15:54,865 --> 00:15:56,865 I'm so thankful that we all had each 417 00:15:56,865 --> 00:15:59,745 other to step into this and to start 418 00:15:59,745 --> 00:16:02,865 performing together. Mhmm. Yeah. Mhmm. And and where 419 00:16:02,865 --> 00:16:04,165 can where can listeners 420 00:16:04,705 --> 00:16:06,485 see you in action, Deidre? 421 00:16:07,024 --> 00:16:08,945 Because I think that speaks louder than even 422 00:16:08,945 --> 00:16:11,660 a radio interview, to see you to see 423 00:16:11,660 --> 00:16:12,399 you perform. 424 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:15,679 Well, if you wanna see me, live, 425 00:16:16,539 --> 00:16:16,700 I'm 426 00:16:18,139 --> 00:16:21,419 I move about California mostly. So the Bay 427 00:16:21,419 --> 00:16:21,919 Area, 428 00:16:23,325 --> 00:16:26,045 Southern California. And and the Bay Area meaning 429 00:16:26,045 --> 00:16:26,785 San Francisco? 430 00:16:27,325 --> 00:16:28,065 San Francisco. 431 00:16:28,365 --> 00:16:30,945 Yep. Okay. And the surrounding cities. 432 00:16:31,804 --> 00:16:32,045 The 433 00:16:32,764 --> 00:16:34,684 it really moves all over the place. Last 434 00:16:34,684 --> 00:16:37,105 year, I went to a Boston Festival. 435 00:16:37,884 --> 00:16:38,524 I was in, 436 00:16:39,139 --> 00:16:40,039 Seattle, Washington. 437 00:16:40,820 --> 00:16:43,460 There's a Emerald City Kings Ball that, 438 00:16:44,340 --> 00:16:46,440 Seattle, Washington has. Oh. 439 00:16:46,980 --> 00:16:50,120 I believe they're in their fourth year. Yeah. 440 00:16:51,860 --> 00:16:53,355 So So so how does somebody find this? 441 00:16:53,355 --> 00:16:54,475 Do you do you have a website, or 442 00:16:54,475 --> 00:16:56,174 do they just Google drag king 443 00:16:56,714 --> 00:16:58,394 performances, or do they do I I love 444 00:16:58,394 --> 00:17:00,394 your name, Crown Vic. How did you come 445 00:17:00,394 --> 00:17:01,615 up with Crown Vic? 446 00:17:02,074 --> 00:17:02,574 Well, 447 00:17:03,274 --> 00:17:04,794 that's not what I started with when I 448 00:17:04,794 --> 00:17:06,579 was younger. I had different names when I 449 00:17:06,579 --> 00:17:08,980 was younger, and this is the one that 450 00:17:08,980 --> 00:17:10,119 I've had the longest. 451 00:17:11,139 --> 00:17:12,659 I wanted to come up with a name 452 00:17:12,659 --> 00:17:13,319 that was, 453 00:17:14,740 --> 00:17:15,880 retro Americana, 454 00:17:18,419 --> 00:17:19,240 that suggested 455 00:17:20,095 --> 00:17:23,214 an elder also because there's history behind the 456 00:17:23,214 --> 00:17:24,835 name crown of it. Mhmm. 457 00:17:26,095 --> 00:17:26,595 And 458 00:17:28,894 --> 00:17:30,255 and I felt like I could move in 459 00:17:30,255 --> 00:17:32,630 a lot of different directions with that name. 460 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:33,670 Okay. Okay. 461 00:17:34,210 --> 00:17:34,950 I can performances. 462 00:17:35,410 --> 00:17:37,410 I could con you know, different, yeah, different 463 00:17:37,410 --> 00:17:39,730 subjects. Okay. And I and I interrupted you. 464 00:17:39,730 --> 00:17:41,990 So back to the live performances. So 465 00:17:42,369 --> 00:17:44,769 Seattle, the Boston, the Los Angeles, to the 466 00:17:44,769 --> 00:17:47,325 Bay Area. And and, again, how does somebody 467 00:17:47,784 --> 00:17:49,085 find out where you are? 468 00:17:49,384 --> 00:17:51,224 So for me personally, the best thing to 469 00:17:51,224 --> 00:17:53,404 do is to follow me on Instagram. 470 00:17:53,784 --> 00:17:54,265 Okay. 471 00:17:54,744 --> 00:17:56,684 That's my one social media. 472 00:17:56,984 --> 00:17:58,524 It's under crown vic 473 00:17:59,065 --> 00:17:59,565 underscore 474 00:17:59,865 --> 00:18:00,605 the king, 475 00:18:01,390 --> 00:18:01,890 and, 476 00:18:02,429 --> 00:18:03,569 that's where I post 477 00:18:04,509 --> 00:18:08,190 upcoming shows. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. And 478 00:18:08,190 --> 00:18:10,349 then I I I'm I'm hoping I'm hoping 479 00:18:10,349 --> 00:18:13,809 that as a professional entertainer, a professional dancer, 480 00:18:13,950 --> 00:18:15,170 that that this is 481 00:18:15,835 --> 00:18:17,375 lucrative for you financially 482 00:18:17,835 --> 00:18:19,535 as well as fun. True? 483 00:18:21,035 --> 00:18:21,914 True. There's, 484 00:18:22,235 --> 00:18:23,535 there's highs and lows. 485 00:18:25,434 --> 00:18:26,174 I actually 486 00:18:26,715 --> 00:18:29,480 do very well with private parties where I'm 487 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:30,539 invited to perform, 488 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,380 at individual parties. Yeah. Mhmm. 489 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,700 The clubs 490 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:38,220 vary greatly. 491 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,274 They vary greatly. So 492 00:18:41,974 --> 00:18:42,474 lucrative, 493 00:18:43,734 --> 00:18:45,835 not not intensely lucrative 494 00:18:46,214 --> 00:18:47,674 Okay. For a lot of the clubs. 495 00:18:49,414 --> 00:18:51,355 Yeah. So it really it really depends. 496 00:18:52,054 --> 00:18:54,960 Right. Well, and and that's often that's often 497 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,440 true with with drag queens as well, you 498 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,519 know, for the amount of work and energy 499 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:01,279 and and the costumes and for what they 500 00:19:01,279 --> 00:19:03,200 put into it. The the money doesn't always 501 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,220 flow, so to speak. But it is entertainment, 502 00:19:05,724 --> 00:19:07,264 You know? And and I think people 503 00:19:08,204 --> 00:19:10,684 I love paying for good entertainment, and you 504 00:19:10,684 --> 00:19:12,144 are definitely an entertainer. 505 00:19:13,565 --> 00:19:15,724 Yeah. It really depends on which clubs you 506 00:19:15,724 --> 00:19:16,524 go to. 507 00:19:17,325 --> 00:19:19,404 I I have certain places that I I 508 00:19:19,404 --> 00:19:22,179 love performing mostly because I like the people 509 00:19:22,179 --> 00:19:23,399 so much. Mhmm. 510 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:25,380 And and some of those are not the 511 00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:27,619 ones that pay very well. But I go 512 00:19:27,619 --> 00:19:29,079 if they invite me because 513 00:19:29,539 --> 00:19:31,480 I love the audience. Mhmm. 514 00:19:33,460 --> 00:19:36,359 They're very loyal, and I like the performers, 515 00:19:37,035 --> 00:19:39,195 especially if they're older performers Mhmm. Who have 516 00:19:39,195 --> 00:19:40,575 been doing it a long time. 517 00:19:41,115 --> 00:19:43,515 Count me in because I wanna always support 518 00:19:43,515 --> 00:19:45,035 that. Right on. We came from a very 519 00:19:45,035 --> 00:19:46,715 we came from a very different world Mhmm. 520 00:19:46,875 --> 00:19:48,394 Those of us who started a long time 521 00:19:48,394 --> 00:19:49,455 ago. Mhmm. 522 00:19:50,235 --> 00:19:52,559 Yeah. Yeah. So I try to stick with 523 00:19:52,779 --> 00:19:54,779 them. Right on. Right on. You know, Diedre, 524 00:19:54,779 --> 00:19:56,940 you know, it reminds me of oftentimes, people 525 00:19:56,940 --> 00:19:59,099 say to me, Joni, well, you're queer. You're 526 00:19:59,099 --> 00:20:01,820 lesbian. So so what are these drag kings 527 00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:04,059 and drag queens? Are they trans people? What 528 00:20:04,059 --> 00:20:05,759 what are what's their sexual identity? 529 00:20:06,585 --> 00:20:08,424 Diedra, can you talk to us about that? 530 00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:09,484 Because that's a stereotype 531 00:20:10,345 --> 00:20:11,884 that people just don't get. 532 00:20:13,384 --> 00:20:14,825 A lot you know what? A lot of 533 00:20:14,825 --> 00:20:17,464 us within the world don't get it either 534 00:20:17,464 --> 00:20:20,044 in the sense that in the sense that 535 00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:23,460 it's so blown open right now. There's so 536 00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:25,319 much growth right now. 537 00:20:26,419 --> 00:20:26,919 Trans 538 00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:29,619 peep you know, people are growing up with 539 00:20:29,619 --> 00:20:31,700 that as a with a choice. Mhmm. 540 00:20:32,339 --> 00:20:34,755 That really wasn't a choice as much 541 00:20:35,315 --> 00:20:37,555 for my generation. Yep. I hear you. People 542 00:20:37,555 --> 00:20:40,615 weren't talking about that. And now I just 543 00:20:40,674 --> 00:20:42,694 met somebody yesterday who, 544 00:20:43,714 --> 00:20:45,095 is in one of my dance 545 00:20:45,555 --> 00:20:46,055 classes, 546 00:20:46,595 --> 00:20:48,630 who I believe they're in their twenties, and 547 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:49,369 they're transitioning. 548 00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:52,070 Okay. And we got into this conversation. You 549 00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:52,789 know? Like, 550 00:20:55,589 --> 00:20:57,509 I honestly am not the person to speak 551 00:20:57,509 --> 00:20:59,589 to it other than just from my own 552 00:20:59,589 --> 00:21:01,430 path. Yep. Do do it from your own 553 00:21:01,430 --> 00:21:03,825 path. Right. From my own path. And so 554 00:21:04,304 --> 00:21:06,565 because that is an option now, 555 00:21:07,664 --> 00:21:08,804 through social media, 556 00:21:10,304 --> 00:21:12,304 it's it's just become more of a choice 557 00:21:12,304 --> 00:21:14,384 for a lot of people. Mhmm. Mhmm. 558 00:21:14,704 --> 00:21:16,085 And that has definitely, 559 00:21:17,505 --> 00:21:19,424 that's definitely something that you see within the 560 00:21:19,424 --> 00:21:22,660 drag world. Mhmm. Mhmm. Which is kind of 561 00:21:22,779 --> 00:21:24,299 at first, there was just a lot of 562 00:21:24,299 --> 00:21:26,220 growing pains for me because I'm like, wait 563 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:28,059 a minute. What's the point? If we're being 564 00:21:28,059 --> 00:21:29,200 the opposite gender 565 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:30,960 and then you've gone through, 566 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:33,599 you know, physical changes, 567 00:21:35,434 --> 00:21:37,535 how does that put you back into drag? 568 00:21:37,674 --> 00:21:39,994 But it does. Mhmm. That is what's happening 569 00:21:39,994 --> 00:21:41,115 right now. There's an, 570 00:21:41,914 --> 00:21:45,214 huge increase, especially for drag kings Mhmm. 571 00:21:46,634 --> 00:21:49,519 Of trans performers. Mhmm. Mhmm. 572 00:21:50,140 --> 00:21:52,720 Trans men. Yeah. There's a lot of them. 573 00:21:52,860 --> 00:21:55,420 And I I've been called oh, they've they've 574 00:21:55,420 --> 00:21:57,259 called me out, not in a mean way, 575 00:21:57,259 --> 00:21:59,500 but, like, oh, it's so nice to see 576 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:01,900 someone who's still what was the term they 577 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:02,400 use? 578 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:05,954 Bi. Like, that I still represent gender. Okay. 579 00:22:06,414 --> 00:22:08,275 So some of them don't even represent 580 00:22:08,894 --> 00:22:10,654 gender, I guess, is what they're trying to 581 00:22:10,654 --> 00:22:12,914 do. Mhmm. Mhmm. But 582 00:22:13,295 --> 00:22:15,055 I'm not the best person to speak on 583 00:22:15,055 --> 00:22:16,029 that. Mhmm. Mhmm. 584 00:22:17,049 --> 00:22:17,710 You know, 585 00:22:18,250 --> 00:22:20,809 it it's really grown. I feel like right 586 00:22:20,809 --> 00:22:23,289 now for Drag Kings, we're going through a 587 00:22:23,289 --> 00:22:23,789 renaissance. 588 00:22:26,329 --> 00:22:26,829 There's 589 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:29,069 more festivals than ever before. 590 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:31,545 There's more places to perform 591 00:22:31,924 --> 00:22:33,785 than ever before. Awesome. 592 00:22:36,245 --> 00:22:38,345 More people know what drag kings are. 593 00:22:40,805 --> 00:22:43,045 And that's it's still it's still mostly an 594 00:22:43,045 --> 00:22:44,505 unknown, but it's growing. 595 00:22:44,805 --> 00:22:47,410 Mhmm. And I love being in the place 596 00:22:47,470 --> 00:22:50,109 where something is expanding like that. Mhmm. There's 597 00:22:50,109 --> 00:22:52,109 so many options, and you don't know where 598 00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:54,049 it's gonna go yet. Mhmm. 599 00:22:54,670 --> 00:22:57,230 Mhmm. So would you still identify a drag 600 00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:58,369 king as a male 601 00:22:58,670 --> 00:22:59,170 personator? 602 00:23:02,575 --> 00:23:04,994 I do. Okay. But 603 00:23:05,615 --> 00:23:08,015 like I just said, if there's if you're 604 00:23:08,015 --> 00:23:09,634 a trans man, 605 00:23:10,654 --> 00:23:11,794 what are you impersonating? 606 00:23:12,335 --> 00:23:15,454 Right. Right. So, that's how I can't answer 607 00:23:15,454 --> 00:23:17,660 these these questions. Right. Right. And then I 608 00:23:17,660 --> 00:23:19,259 tried to put it simple for the listeners 609 00:23:19,259 --> 00:23:21,660 as well. Yep. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. 610 00:23:21,660 --> 00:23:23,759 It is complicated and 611 00:23:25,660 --> 00:23:27,980 And for many people, gender is complicated in 612 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:28,480 itself. 613 00:23:29,339 --> 00:23:30,534 Right. Yes. 614 00:23:31,154 --> 00:23:32,694 Right. And then you throw society's, 615 00:23:33,714 --> 00:23:35,794 twists and turns in there and people trying 616 00:23:35,794 --> 00:23:36,454 to understand, 617 00:23:36,835 --> 00:23:38,054 you know, it just 618 00:23:39,234 --> 00:23:40,855 it's difficult. It's difficult. 619 00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:44,690 So when I'm trying to explain it, 620 00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:47,470 you know, what what is drag and why 621 00:23:47,470 --> 00:23:49,710 are people doing it? I'll be honest. People 622 00:23:49,710 --> 00:23:51,630 are doing it for very different reasons. But 623 00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:53,150 the one thing that we all have in 624 00:23:53,150 --> 00:23:55,585 common is that we're trying to express something, 625 00:23:56,285 --> 00:23:58,845 and we wanna be seen as something There 626 00:23:58,845 --> 00:24:00,865 you go. In that in that expression. 627 00:24:01,884 --> 00:24:03,965 And so, like, the difference for me as 628 00:24:03,965 --> 00:24:05,345 a performer in dance 629 00:24:06,684 --> 00:24:08,625 versus me in drag 630 00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:10,130 is that 631 00:24:10,670 --> 00:24:13,009 in drag, I really was commenting 632 00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:15,549 on what I was and what I wasn't 633 00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:17,650 Mhmm. In society. Mhmm. 634 00:24:19,470 --> 00:24:20,609 Wow. That's powerful. 635 00:24:20,910 --> 00:24:21,730 That's powerful. 636 00:24:22,335 --> 00:24:24,914 Diedre, this is like just we're just opening 637 00:24:25,134 --> 00:24:27,954 the the the box of ever of everything, 638 00:24:28,015 --> 00:24:29,615 and this is I can't believe how fast 639 00:24:29,615 --> 00:24:31,694 this has gone by. We're down to, like, 640 00:24:31,694 --> 00:24:32,595 thirty seconds. 641 00:24:32,894 --> 00:24:35,474 Can you just sort of nail down a 642 00:24:35,534 --> 00:24:37,554 a comment, a final comment 643 00:24:38,660 --> 00:24:41,619 about who you are in the drag king 644 00:24:41,619 --> 00:24:42,119 world. 645 00:24:44,259 --> 00:24:44,759 Wow. 646 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:48,119 I'm an old school classic drag king 647 00:24:49,140 --> 00:24:50,119 that is 648 00:24:52,255 --> 00:24:54,975 incredibly excited about the renaissance that it's going 649 00:24:54,975 --> 00:24:55,955 through right now. 650 00:24:56,575 --> 00:24:58,815 And you love life, and you love people, 651 00:24:58,815 --> 00:25:01,715 and you don't judge anybody. You treat everybody 652 00:25:01,855 --> 00:25:02,914 with this ballistic 653 00:25:03,215 --> 00:25:05,535 joy, and that's what I love about you, 654 00:25:05,535 --> 00:25:08,650 Deidre. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Yep. 655 00:25:08,650 --> 00:25:10,650 Yep. For sure. For sure. I I I 656 00:25:10,650 --> 00:25:13,130 wanna thank you, Deidre, for putting out your 657 00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:15,309 heart, putting out your words, your articulation, 658 00:25:15,849 --> 00:25:18,750 expressing your life in dance and in entertainment, 659 00:25:19,214 --> 00:25:20,494 and I hope that I get to see 660 00:25:20,494 --> 00:25:21,954 you live sometime. 661 00:25:22,255 --> 00:25:25,054 And meanwhile, listeners out there, you know, again, 662 00:25:25,054 --> 00:25:27,315 you can go to Instagram and find 663 00:25:27,694 --> 00:25:29,714 crown Vic the king, Deidra, 664 00:25:30,015 --> 00:25:32,275 and and see see what she looks like. 665 00:25:32,335 --> 00:25:34,039 And and do you say she when you're 666 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,460 performing? Do you use the the pronoun she? 667 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:37,819 Most mostly 668 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,919 he. Mostly he. Okay. He when I'm dressed 669 00:25:40,919 --> 00:25:42,940 up, but it will not offend me 670 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,880 if you use another pronoun. There you go. 671 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,799 Thank you. Thank you for saying that. Thank 672 00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:48,940 you for saying that. 673 00:25:49,934 --> 00:25:50,888 Absolutely. Yep. For sure. For sure. So I 674 00:25:50,888 --> 00:25:53,095 I can't I've gotta wind down here, Diedra, 675 00:25:53,095 --> 00:25:54,894 but I'm I wanna thank the listeners on 676 00:25:54,894 --> 00:25:56,974 the gorgeous coast of Southern Oregon and Northern 677 00:25:56,974 --> 00:25:59,615 California and the majestic Rogue Valley for being 678 00:25:59,615 --> 00:26:02,170 with us today on joyously free. And this 679 00:26:02,170 --> 00:26:03,849 is what we're hoping that Deidra did with 680 00:26:03,849 --> 00:26:06,250 you today is put some joy, some tips, 681 00:26:06,250 --> 00:26:08,890 some hope, some loves about her world as 682 00:26:08,890 --> 00:26:11,130 a dancer, as a drag king into our 683 00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:13,130 life. We wanna thank the team that helped 684 00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:15,390 make this happen. Mike Gorse on Sound, 685 00:26:15,704 --> 00:26:18,184 Tom, Candice, and Rose at the studio here. 686 00:26:18,184 --> 00:26:20,424 We wanna thank all the people that sponsor 687 00:26:20,424 --> 00:26:23,065 the show, Steve Van Cleave, Sally, and Todd 688 00:26:23,065 --> 00:26:25,224 for making this happen. And mostly, we wanna 689 00:26:25,224 --> 00:26:27,625 thank you, the listeners, for tuning in. Be 690 00:26:27,625 --> 00:26:30,365 open minded to learn something really, really cool. 691 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,039 I'm gonna end with smile big and wear 692 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,099 bright colors, and Deidre's final words are 693 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,579 Support drag kings. 694 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,279 Yay. I love it. I love it. Oh, 695 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,039 you are the best. You are the best. 696 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:44,960 And, we will be in touch. And thank 697 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,454 you, everybody. Have a great day.