1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,519 Hi, and welcome KCIW listeners at one hundred 2 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:17,254 point seven FM or online at kciw.org, 3 00:00:17,254 --> 00:00:18,234 Brookings, Oregon. 4 00:00:18,614 --> 00:00:20,875 Hi to our syndicated listeners at KZZH 5 00:00:21,574 --> 00:00:23,355 ninety six point seven FM, 6 00:00:23,734 --> 00:00:26,154 hacks Access Humboldt, Eureka, California. 7 00:00:26,695 --> 00:00:29,814 And a special welcome to our listeners at 8 00:00:29,814 --> 00:00:30,314 KSKQ, 9 00:00:31,260 --> 00:00:34,140 eighty nine point five FM Ashland and ninety 10 00:00:34,140 --> 00:00:36,799 four point one FM Medford, Oregon. 11 00:00:37,179 --> 00:00:37,920 This is 12 00:00:38,219 --> 00:00:41,600 Joyously Free Radio with me, Joni Lindenmayer, 13 00:00:42,060 --> 00:00:44,635 the best selling author of None Better, an 14 00:00:44,635 --> 00:00:47,854 amazing love story, and the coauthor of Joyously 15 00:00:47,994 --> 00:00:50,635 Free and Healing Religious Hurts. I am so 16 00:00:50,635 --> 00:00:52,875 glad that you are tuning in today with 17 00:00:52,875 --> 00:00:55,695 us. So I'm a resident of Harbor, Oregon, 18 00:00:55,835 --> 00:00:57,820 a retired high school teacher, a recent author 19 00:00:57,820 --> 00:01:00,479 who has published three books in two years, 20 00:01:00,699 --> 00:01:03,100 created an audiobook, and with friend and film 21 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:05,659 producer Michael Gorse created a short film called 22 00:01:05,659 --> 00:01:07,759 Wowzer. We are just on a roll. 23 00:01:08,060 --> 00:01:10,219 But most of all, I love life, and 24 00:01:10,219 --> 00:01:12,140 I love being the producer and host of 25 00:01:12,140 --> 00:01:12,640 this 26 00:01:12,965 --> 00:01:17,125 highly energized joyously free radio gatios show, so 27 00:01:17,125 --> 00:01:18,744 named by Will and Viv. 28 00:01:19,045 --> 00:01:21,384 This show talks about LGBTQ 29 00:01:21,844 --> 00:01:24,424 plus stories and tips along with religion, 30 00:01:24,965 --> 00:01:26,185 church, faith, 31 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,140 spirituality, 32 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:30,480 and joy. It's the spreading of abundant joy 33 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,640 and freedom. That's why we call this radio 34 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,840 show Joyously Free. And it happens to be 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,560 the same title of my coauthored book with 36 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,620 Elizabeth Ann Atkins of 2sisterswriting.com. 37 00:01:41,864 --> 00:01:43,244 In this radio broadcast, 38 00:01:43,625 --> 00:01:46,104 just as in my everyday life, there will 39 00:01:46,104 --> 00:01:47,165 be no hate speech, 40 00:01:47,545 --> 00:01:49,805 no hate behaviors, and no bullying. 41 00:01:50,265 --> 00:01:52,924 We blast it with the three c's, courage, 42 00:01:53,064 --> 00:01:54,364 confidence, and collaboration. 43 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:58,200 So together, listeners, let's sparkle and seek understanding. 44 00:01:58,739 --> 00:02:00,900 Think out of a box or no boxes 45 00:02:00,900 --> 00:02:03,140 at all, but be open minded just as 46 00:02:03,140 --> 00:02:04,120 an open parachute. 47 00:02:05,060 --> 00:02:07,219 Let's begin with something that Carol and I 48 00:02:07,219 --> 00:02:09,645 did for forty years every single day. I 49 00:02:09,645 --> 00:02:11,185 call it my daily salutation, 50 00:02:11,485 --> 00:02:13,724 and it goes like this. I say it's 51 00:02:13,724 --> 00:02:16,205 a brand new day, and your response is 52 00:02:16,205 --> 00:02:18,444 it's never been lived before. Let's give it 53 00:02:18,444 --> 00:02:19,025 a shot. 54 00:02:19,405 --> 00:02:20,705 It's a brand new day. 55 00:02:21,965 --> 00:02:24,689 It's never been lived before. Woo hoo. I 56 00:02:24,689 --> 00:02:26,689 see. That speaker is ready to go. Our 57 00:02:26,689 --> 00:02:28,689 guest is ready to go. Thank you so 58 00:02:28,689 --> 00:02:30,610 much. And that's Deborah, and I'll introduce her 59 00:02:30,610 --> 00:02:31,889 in just a second. But, 60 00:02:32,530 --> 00:02:34,849 yes, that that is so exciting. So let's 61 00:02:34,849 --> 00:02:36,469 begin also with our prayer. 62 00:02:36,865 --> 00:02:38,865 Let's open our hearts as we ask the 63 00:02:38,865 --> 00:02:41,344 divine to shine light on our community and 64 00:02:41,344 --> 00:02:42,004 our world. 65 00:02:42,625 --> 00:02:45,585 I excitedly believe in hope, in the power 66 00:02:45,585 --> 00:02:46,405 of the spiritual, 67 00:02:46,865 --> 00:02:49,685 and that Jesus, God, spirit, whatever 68 00:02:50,064 --> 00:02:50,564 name 69 00:02:50,944 --> 00:02:53,620 you put on a higher being is always 70 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:55,560 with me and always with you. 71 00:02:55,939 --> 00:02:58,359 So be not afraid or troubled, 72 00:02:59,060 --> 00:03:00,280 saddened or depressed. 73 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:03,620 Joy and peace are an internal expression of 74 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:06,735 love and harmony, and that's already within us. 75 00:03:07,294 --> 00:03:09,534 We only have to reach deep within and 76 00:03:09,534 --> 00:03:10,435 let it out. 77 00:03:10,814 --> 00:03:12,115 So let's center ourselves 78 00:03:13,055 --> 00:03:14,435 quietly and calmly. 79 00:03:15,215 --> 00:03:16,754 Take a deep breath in 80 00:03:18,094 --> 00:03:18,995 with the good 81 00:03:19,775 --> 00:03:21,509 and out with doubt. 82 00:03:23,669 --> 00:03:24,169 Again, 83 00:03:24,549 --> 00:03:26,889 breathe in through your nose with hope 84 00:03:27,909 --> 00:03:30,169 and out from your mouth with fears. 85 00:03:31,989 --> 00:03:35,110 Last one, take a big deep breath in 86 00:03:35,110 --> 00:03:36,044 with joy 87 00:03:37,305 --> 00:03:39,805 and out with any worry or despair. 88 00:03:40,664 --> 00:03:43,485 In the name of mother Earth, creator God, 89 00:03:43,864 --> 00:03:46,264 Jesus, our redeemer, the blowing winds of the 90 00:03:46,264 --> 00:03:49,709 spirit, we say, hi. Hi, love. Hi, light. 91 00:03:49,709 --> 00:03:52,669 Hi, Jesus. Hi, God. Hi, spirit. Thank you 92 00:03:52,669 --> 00:03:54,849 for being with us this beautiful day. 93 00:03:55,789 --> 00:03:57,650 The quote I picked for today 94 00:03:58,030 --> 00:04:00,610 is a simple one, and it came from 95 00:04:01,205 --> 00:04:03,444 my give us this day prayer book that 96 00:04:03,444 --> 00:04:04,584 I read every day. 97 00:04:04,884 --> 00:04:06,104 And it went like this. 98 00:04:06,884 --> 00:04:08,025 Help us secure 99 00:04:08,485 --> 00:04:10,504 truthful reporting and journalism, 100 00:04:11,204 --> 00:04:13,064 and protect the well-being 101 00:04:13,444 --> 00:04:15,064 of truth tellers. 102 00:04:16,009 --> 00:04:17,629 I'm gonna read that one more time. 103 00:04:18,170 --> 00:04:19,310 Help us secure 104 00:04:19,850 --> 00:04:21,790 truthful reporting and journalism 105 00:04:22,410 --> 00:04:24,110 and protect the well-being 106 00:04:24,490 --> 00:04:25,949 of truth tellers. 107 00:04:26,730 --> 00:04:29,629 When I read that in my prayer corner, 108 00:04:29,964 --> 00:04:31,964 all I could think about were all the 109 00:04:31,964 --> 00:04:33,824 people that write 110 00:04:34,125 --> 00:04:35,185 or are on TV 111 00:04:35,564 --> 00:04:39,185 as anchors, but all the people that journalism 112 00:04:39,324 --> 00:04:41,104 that journal that journal 113 00:04:42,204 --> 00:04:42,704 truth. 114 00:04:43,324 --> 00:04:45,104 And what is that truth? Oftentimes, 115 00:04:45,420 --> 00:04:47,259 you'll talk to one person, they think truth 116 00:04:47,259 --> 00:04:48,779 is one way and you think that truth 117 00:04:48,779 --> 00:04:50,939 is another way, but we need to be 118 00:04:50,939 --> 00:04:51,840 open minded. 119 00:04:52,379 --> 00:04:55,020 We need to let God and spirit fill 120 00:04:55,020 --> 00:04:57,980 us with what that real truth is. And 121 00:04:57,980 --> 00:04:59,120 when you're still 122 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:00,400 and quiet, 123 00:05:00,865 --> 00:05:02,625 this is what I have found, when you're 124 00:05:02,625 --> 00:05:03,845 still and quiet, 125 00:05:04,305 --> 00:05:06,564 you will know what that truth is. 126 00:05:07,345 --> 00:05:10,305 It's not something society always says. It's not 127 00:05:10,305 --> 00:05:13,344 something that has been doctrine or policy or 128 00:05:13,344 --> 00:05:13,844 law. 129 00:05:14,305 --> 00:05:16,164 It's an internal truth. 130 00:05:16,729 --> 00:05:18,569 So those are my little highlights for today, 131 00:05:18,569 --> 00:05:20,089 and I I hope that you gain something 132 00:05:20,089 --> 00:05:21,949 from that. So in this, 133 00:05:22,250 --> 00:05:24,729 let us lift up our friends and our 134 00:05:24,729 --> 00:05:25,229 family. 135 00:05:26,009 --> 00:05:28,189 May you and I find guidance, 136 00:05:28,729 --> 00:05:29,789 divine healing, 137 00:05:30,384 --> 00:05:32,884 and the pleasure of knowing what love is. 138 00:05:33,264 --> 00:05:35,584 Thank you, holy one, for hearing and being 139 00:05:35,584 --> 00:05:36,485 with us today. 140 00:05:37,024 --> 00:05:39,824 Bless us to always do a bigger will 141 00:05:39,824 --> 00:05:40,564 than ourselves. 142 00:05:41,024 --> 00:05:41,524 Amen. 143 00:05:42,305 --> 00:05:44,479 So it's a happy day, k c I 144 00:05:44,479 --> 00:05:46,079 w, k z z h, and k s 145 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:48,660 k q because I am excited to introduce 146 00:05:49,039 --> 00:05:51,759 a friend and a professional woman that has 147 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:53,919 helped me a lot my life. Her name 148 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:55,699 is Deborah Perdue, 149 00:05:56,365 --> 00:05:59,404 and she has the topic of gratitude is 150 00:05:59,404 --> 00:06:00,144 your superpower. 151 00:06:00,764 --> 00:06:02,224 She is a book designer. 152 00:06:02,764 --> 00:06:04,764 She is an author, and she is a 153 00:06:04,764 --> 00:06:05,985 spiritual adventurist. 154 00:06:06,604 --> 00:06:09,104 Deborah, welcome to joyously free. 155 00:06:10,229 --> 00:06:12,229 Thank you, Joni. I'm just thrilled to be 156 00:06:12,229 --> 00:06:14,709 here. Oh, good. Good. Good. Good. And we're 157 00:06:14,709 --> 00:06:17,110 hoping we can tap into your your brilliance 158 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:18,949 and your heart throughout the day to day 159 00:06:18,949 --> 00:06:21,189 that you you will inspire and challenge all 160 00:06:21,189 --> 00:06:22,889 of us. I just know that will happen. 161 00:06:22,949 --> 00:06:24,649 So how are you today, Deborah? 162 00:06:25,564 --> 00:06:27,024 I'm doing very well, 163 00:06:27,485 --> 00:06:30,144 being with you, Joni, because you're so enthusiastic 164 00:06:30,685 --> 00:06:31,504 and so 165 00:06:32,685 --> 00:06:35,964 filled with wisdom just brings my spirits up 166 00:06:35,964 --> 00:06:38,444 even further today. Aw. Well, thank you. Thank 167 00:06:38,444 --> 00:06:39,724 you. And then we're gonna get to know 168 00:06:39,724 --> 00:06:41,270 about your spirits and what's what's at the 169 00:06:41,270 --> 00:06:42,629 bottom of your heart or the top of 170 00:06:42,629 --> 00:06:44,870 your heart. Thanks. Yes. So why don't you 171 00:06:44,870 --> 00:06:47,189 start? You know, people probably don't know who 172 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:49,110 you are, Deborah. Where do you live? What's 173 00:06:49,110 --> 00:06:50,949 going on in your life? Talk about your 174 00:06:50,949 --> 00:06:52,870 your personal and your professional. And just a 175 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:54,970 quick little summary, a little bit about you. 176 00:06:55,925 --> 00:06:56,425 K. 177 00:06:57,125 --> 00:06:57,605 So, 178 00:06:58,324 --> 00:07:00,345 I live in Grants Pass, Oregon, 179 00:07:01,045 --> 00:07:03,524 and we live right in the forest, and 180 00:07:03,524 --> 00:07:05,225 we live by the Rogue River. 181 00:07:05,605 --> 00:07:07,685 And I really love living in the country. 182 00:07:07,685 --> 00:07:09,524 I've lived in the country almost all my 183 00:07:09,524 --> 00:07:11,160 life. Mhmm. And, 184 00:07:11,779 --> 00:07:13,459 I have a husband or I have a 185 00:07:13,459 --> 00:07:16,259 beautiful dog, and we have a pond with 186 00:07:16,259 --> 00:07:18,519 frogs croaking right now for the spring. 187 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:21,139 And it's just really a delight to be 188 00:07:21,139 --> 00:07:23,220 here, and it makes me grateful every single 189 00:07:23,220 --> 00:07:24,394 day. Uh-huh. 190 00:07:24,694 --> 00:07:27,355 And I'd say I wear a couple hats 191 00:07:27,495 --> 00:07:29,814 in my life, and all of the things 192 00:07:29,814 --> 00:07:31,754 I do, I absolutely love. 193 00:07:32,294 --> 00:07:34,134 One of them is that I am a 194 00:07:34,134 --> 00:07:35,834 book designer as she mentioned, 195 00:07:36,389 --> 00:07:38,250 and I love this part of my work. 196 00:07:38,550 --> 00:07:41,670 I've been been doing graphic design actually since 197 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:44,629 high school. Oh. And, yeah, I just 198 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:47,910 it fell into it by work experience, and 199 00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:49,824 I've carried it on in my whole life 200 00:07:49,824 --> 00:07:52,064 becoming a book designer about twenty five years 201 00:07:52,064 --> 00:07:53,605 ago. Wow. And 202 00:07:54,225 --> 00:07:57,425 I helped Joni with, her three wonderful books 203 00:07:57,425 --> 00:07:58,964 with the covers and the interiors. 204 00:07:59,345 --> 00:08:01,824 Yes. The form it's called formatting. I learned 205 00:08:01,824 --> 00:08:03,610 that word from you. When you go in 206 00:08:03,610 --> 00:08:05,769 and you actually figure out what kind of 207 00:08:05,769 --> 00:08:08,170 font and what actually, you talk about it. 208 00:08:08,170 --> 00:08:10,110 Talk about what all that means, please, Deborah. 209 00:08:10,810 --> 00:08:11,310 Well, 210 00:08:12,730 --> 00:08:14,569 let's see. What should I say about it? 211 00:08:14,569 --> 00:08:16,464 Let's see. So with interiors, 212 00:08:16,764 --> 00:08:19,324 that's the inside of the book. Yeah, we 213 00:08:19,324 --> 00:08:21,824 have to choose type styles, sizes, 214 00:08:22,685 --> 00:08:23,745 indent, margins, 215 00:08:24,845 --> 00:08:27,004 etcetera, and lay it out in a pleasing 216 00:08:27,004 --> 00:08:29,725 way for the reader. And then sometimes people 217 00:08:29,725 --> 00:08:30,545 have pictures. 218 00:08:31,060 --> 00:08:32,820 Joanie did have pictures in your, 219 00:08:34,580 --> 00:08:36,259 the first book you did. I'm forgetting the 220 00:08:36,259 --> 00:08:38,179 name right now. Yep. Yep. None better. And 221 00:08:38,179 --> 00:08:39,860 then I I had I had pictures of 222 00:08:39,860 --> 00:08:42,019 people in the other two books too. Yes. 223 00:08:42,019 --> 00:08:44,205 Yeah. That's right. So then I just I 224 00:08:44,205 --> 00:08:45,845 lay it out is what it's called. And 225 00:08:45,965 --> 00:08:48,065 Mhmm. I can do all kinds of, 226 00:08:48,445 --> 00:08:51,004 types of books, including coffee table books, which 227 00:08:51,004 --> 00:08:53,884 I love, and fiction and nonfiction. It just 228 00:08:53,884 --> 00:08:57,050 really delights me that this is my freelance 229 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:57,610 job. 230 00:08:58,149 --> 00:08:59,750 Wow. Wow. And you get to use all 231 00:08:59,750 --> 00:09:01,910 your creative talents of art and and, 232 00:09:03,350 --> 00:09:04,330 Covers are 233 00:09:04,950 --> 00:09:07,670 are probably the most fun because we get 234 00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:10,389 to create them using different artwork. I have 235 00:09:10,389 --> 00:09:12,415 a person that I use a lot named 236 00:09:12,415 --> 00:09:13,875 Tara Thalen who does 237 00:09:14,415 --> 00:09:16,254 artwork for the covers, but then I do 238 00:09:16,254 --> 00:09:16,915 the design. 239 00:09:17,375 --> 00:09:20,415 And, it just brings me great joy. Mhmm. 240 00:09:20,415 --> 00:09:22,815 Mhmm. So, you know, going back, you said 241 00:09:22,815 --> 00:09:24,975 you started basically when you were in high 242 00:09:24,975 --> 00:09:25,940 school. And 243 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:28,320 yet did you take a class, or how 244 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,539 how did it come about? 245 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,500 Well, I lived in a tiny rural, 246 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,659 town called Lagunitas 247 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,179 out in Marin County. 248 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:38,659 And I went to work experience, 249 00:09:39,575 --> 00:09:42,455 and they happened to have a job for 250 00:09:42,455 --> 00:09:43,274 a newspaper 251 00:09:43,975 --> 00:09:46,375 right in that tiny town. And so I 252 00:09:46,375 --> 00:09:48,855 could literally walk to their place, and I 253 00:09:48,855 --> 00:09:50,154 started working there. 254 00:09:50,535 --> 00:09:53,014 And I loved graphic design. I did it 255 00:09:53,014 --> 00:09:53,914 even before 256 00:09:54,269 --> 00:09:57,470 computers, believe it or not. And, it just 257 00:09:57,470 --> 00:09:57,970 has 258 00:09:58,509 --> 00:10:00,430 carried me through this whole time in my 259 00:10:00,430 --> 00:10:02,990 life. I just love my job and I'm 260 00:10:02,990 --> 00:10:03,730 so thankful 261 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:06,670 that I found it in high school. You 262 00:10:06,670 --> 00:10:08,430 know, I know some people look and look 263 00:10:08,430 --> 00:10:09,889 and look for what they wanna 264 00:10:10,375 --> 00:10:12,615 do, and it just really fell into my 265 00:10:12,615 --> 00:10:14,954 lap. Wow. And that's your passion? 266 00:10:15,815 --> 00:10:18,534 Yeah. That's one of my passions. Okay. I 267 00:10:18,534 --> 00:10:20,554 want me to talk about my Sure. 268 00:10:21,264 --> 00:10:21,764 Spiritual 269 00:10:22,409 --> 00:10:25,610 exploring. Okay. I'm I'm a licensed practitioner at 270 00:10:25,610 --> 00:10:27,950 the Grants Pass Center for Spiritual Living, 271 00:10:28,409 --> 00:10:29,709 and I serve there. 272 00:10:30,970 --> 00:10:33,209 I pray with other people, and I speak 273 00:10:33,209 --> 00:10:36,570 on Sundays before the minister sometimes. We trade 274 00:10:36,570 --> 00:10:37,789 places, the practitioners. 275 00:10:38,245 --> 00:10:40,325 Mhmm. And I really, really love that part 276 00:10:40,325 --> 00:10:40,985 of my life. 277 00:10:41,365 --> 00:10:44,024 And I also am a gratitude gal. 278 00:10:44,565 --> 00:10:46,745 And what I do is I write gratitude 279 00:10:46,884 --> 00:10:49,045 reflections every day that I send out to 280 00:10:49,045 --> 00:10:49,785 my subscribers. 281 00:10:50,509 --> 00:10:53,710 And I've also published five gratitude books, two 282 00:10:53,710 --> 00:10:55,089 journals and three 283 00:10:55,629 --> 00:10:57,169 of gratitude reflections. 284 00:10:58,110 --> 00:10:59,570 And, I just 285 00:10:59,950 --> 00:11:00,450 love 286 00:11:00,990 --> 00:11:04,190 it's my favorite topic, gratitude. Mhmm. Mhmm. And 287 00:11:04,190 --> 00:11:07,205 I also facilitate book studies and classes online 288 00:11:07,205 --> 00:11:09,065 and in person at Grants Pass. 289 00:11:09,845 --> 00:11:12,664 And so, anyway, that's really my spiritual 290 00:11:13,845 --> 00:11:16,725 what I really love in my spiritual world 291 00:11:16,725 --> 00:11:18,779 as well. Okay. So so, you know, I'm 292 00:11:18,779 --> 00:11:21,039 not really familiar with what a practitioner 293 00:11:21,419 --> 00:11:24,620 is. Can you describe what a practitioner is 294 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:26,000 for your your fellowship? 295 00:11:27,179 --> 00:11:28,080 Yeah. So, 296 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:30,000 what a practitioner 297 00:11:30,379 --> 00:11:32,940 does is serve the minister and also serve 298 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:35,894 the congregants. Mhmm. And we take extra there's 299 00:11:35,894 --> 00:11:38,214 classes that are all the centers for spiritual 300 00:11:38,214 --> 00:11:39,674 living, spiritual classes. 301 00:11:40,134 --> 00:11:40,954 So I took 302 00:11:41,414 --> 00:11:43,495 the ones that were required to become a 303 00:11:43,495 --> 00:11:46,054 practitioner, and then we go into two years 304 00:11:46,054 --> 00:11:46,840 of study. 305 00:11:47,299 --> 00:11:48,360 And we just 306 00:11:48,660 --> 00:11:52,019 broaden and strengthen what we've learned already Mhmm. 307 00:11:52,259 --> 00:11:54,740 So that we can teach classes and pray 308 00:11:54,740 --> 00:11:55,960 for others, etcetera. 309 00:11:56,419 --> 00:11:58,259 That's basically what it is. Do you have 310 00:11:58,259 --> 00:12:00,834 more questions about it? Absolutely. You know, I 311 00:12:00,834 --> 00:12:02,554 I think it's really interesting because we all 312 00:12:02,554 --> 00:12:04,875 come from or have had different experiences and 313 00:12:04,875 --> 00:12:06,095 different faith denominations. 314 00:12:06,875 --> 00:12:09,514 Yeah. And so the this one here, what 315 00:12:09,514 --> 00:12:11,914 I'm hearing you say is that you you 316 00:12:11,914 --> 00:12:13,595 you went to school. You did two years 317 00:12:13,595 --> 00:12:14,740 of study. You, 318 00:12:15,379 --> 00:12:17,000 help out. You pray. 319 00:12:17,379 --> 00:12:20,259 You you guide people on their journey. Yes. 320 00:12:20,259 --> 00:12:22,660 And so an example would be what would 321 00:12:22,660 --> 00:12:25,620 be an example of you being the highlight 322 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:26,680 of being a practitioner? 323 00:12:29,815 --> 00:12:30,954 So it's really 324 00:12:31,334 --> 00:12:34,134 when people they people send prayer requests to 325 00:12:34,134 --> 00:12:37,034 us, the practitioners at our Grandsfest CSL 326 00:12:37,654 --> 00:12:39,975 every Sunday. Mhmm. And I think one of 327 00:12:39,975 --> 00:12:43,115 the highlights is we also have demonstration cards 328 00:12:43,329 --> 00:12:45,589 to fill out, and that's when something manifest 329 00:12:45,889 --> 00:12:48,129 that what we prayed for. Uh-huh. And it's 330 00:12:48,129 --> 00:12:51,169 really, really so beautiful to hear the different 331 00:12:51,169 --> 00:12:51,669 demonstrations 332 00:12:52,769 --> 00:12:54,950 of people who had their prayers answered 333 00:12:55,404 --> 00:12:57,245 because I believe we always get our prayers 334 00:12:57,245 --> 00:12:59,105 answered in some form or fashion. 335 00:12:59,485 --> 00:13:01,345 And so that's one of the highlights, 336 00:13:01,804 --> 00:13:04,125 definitely. That that's a big one. And I 337 00:13:04,125 --> 00:13:06,445 love what you just said that prayer all 338 00:13:06,445 --> 00:13:07,664 prayers are answered. 339 00:13:08,029 --> 00:13:09,870 You know? And sometimes we don't always see 340 00:13:09,870 --> 00:13:12,110 it or feel it or know it, and 341 00:13:12,110 --> 00:13:13,970 sometimes they take time, don't they, 342 00:13:14,350 --> 00:13:16,929 before you get an answer? Do. Mhmm. Yeah. 343 00:13:18,029 --> 00:13:20,110 I love that let's see. I'm trying to 344 00:13:20,110 --> 00:13:21,889 remember Michael Beckwith's statement. 345 00:13:25,355 --> 00:13:26,175 Who's Michael 346 00:13:26,955 --> 00:13:29,375 Beck? Michael Beckwith is has Agape, 347 00:13:29,995 --> 00:13:32,715 and it's a center for it's like Center 348 00:13:32,715 --> 00:13:34,634 for Spiritual Living, but he went above and 349 00:13:34,634 --> 00:13:36,175 beyond because he met. 350 00:13:36,509 --> 00:13:39,149 He went, he was on Oprah and stuff 351 00:13:39,149 --> 00:13:41,090 and he got too big for our centers. 352 00:13:41,470 --> 00:13:43,629 So he opened his own and it's like 353 00:13:43,629 --> 00:13:45,970 he has a following of 9,000 354 00:13:46,029 --> 00:13:46,529 online. 355 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:47,389 Wow. 356 00:13:47,790 --> 00:13:50,524 Every Sunday. Wow. So it's just I remember 357 00:13:50,524 --> 00:13:53,345 the it was delay is not God's denial. 358 00:13:53,965 --> 00:13:54,465 Oh. 359 00:13:54,924 --> 00:13:58,125 Very good. Isn't that great? That's great. That's 360 00:13:58,125 --> 00:14:00,845 great. I I know. I also wanna say 361 00:14:00,845 --> 00:14:02,845 one more thing about the Centers for Spiritual 362 00:14:02,845 --> 00:14:05,850 Living. It's a totally open and accepting and 363 00:14:05,850 --> 00:14:07,149 loving place to be. 364 00:14:07,529 --> 00:14:10,250 And earlier in my life when I, went 365 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:11,070 to traditional, 366 00:14:12,490 --> 00:14:15,210 like Catholic, I was I started being brought 367 00:14:15,210 --> 00:14:15,950 up Catholic. 368 00:14:16,334 --> 00:14:19,214 But what bothered me about that was how 369 00:14:19,214 --> 00:14:21,454 they said, you know, made it seem as 370 00:14:21,454 --> 00:14:22,995 though other religions 371 00:14:23,694 --> 00:14:25,774 might go to hell if they didn't believe 372 00:14:25,774 --> 00:14:28,495 as we believed. Oh. And, you know, I 373 00:14:28,495 --> 00:14:28,894 just, 374 00:14:29,534 --> 00:14:31,490 really like, to me, even when I was 375 00:14:31,490 --> 00:14:33,410 a little girl and I heard that that 376 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:35,110 would mean Hindus or Buddhists, 377 00:14:35,490 --> 00:14:37,490 you know, aren't okay. They're not going to 378 00:14:37,490 --> 00:14:39,490 heaven. Uh-huh. It just didn't ring true to 379 00:14:39,490 --> 00:14:41,570 me, and the Center for Spiritual Living is 380 00:14:41,570 --> 00:14:44,475 all inclusive. All inclusive. Love that about it. 381 00:14:44,794 --> 00:14:46,714 That's awesome. That's awesome. You know? And and 382 00:14:46,714 --> 00:14:48,434 personally, you know, I'm I'm I'm coming from 383 00:14:48,434 --> 00:14:51,534 the the queer aspect as an LGBTQ person. 384 00:14:51,914 --> 00:14:54,074 We we wanna make sure that that we 385 00:14:54,074 --> 00:14:56,235 always feel safe and celebrated when we're in 386 00:14:56,235 --> 00:14:58,830 a faith community. So that's awesome to hear. 387 00:14:58,830 --> 00:15:00,990 That's awesome to hear. Yeah. It would be 388 00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:03,330 everybody is Right. At our CSLs. 389 00:15:03,710 --> 00:15:05,790 Right. Well and I can see why and 390 00:15:05,790 --> 00:15:08,370 how what you do as a practitioner 391 00:15:09,149 --> 00:15:12,429 is gratitude. And you said you've written five 392 00:15:12,429 --> 00:15:15,625 books or or journals and workbooks about gratitude. 393 00:15:15,845 --> 00:15:17,764 Tell me about what do you what is 394 00:15:17,764 --> 00:15:18,004 your, 395 00:15:18,804 --> 00:15:20,485 what do we wanna say? How would you 396 00:15:20,485 --> 00:15:23,144 define gratitude, and how does it feel? 397 00:15:24,644 --> 00:15:25,544 Okay. So, 398 00:15:27,029 --> 00:15:29,590 you know, it's it's just being thankful and 399 00:15:29,590 --> 00:15:32,570 noticing everything that you can be thankful for. 400 00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:33,769 And really, 401 00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:36,789 there is zillions of things to be thankful 402 00:15:36,789 --> 00:15:38,745 for in this life. Mhmm. You know, it's 403 00:15:39,144 --> 00:15:41,164 it's everything and it's everywhere. 404 00:15:41,705 --> 00:15:43,245 Like every square inch 405 00:15:43,705 --> 00:15:46,365 of, of the earth has life in it. 406 00:15:46,424 --> 00:15:48,664 I mean, I just think everything's basically a 407 00:15:48,664 --> 00:15:50,664 miracle. That's how I look at it. Mhmm. 408 00:15:50,664 --> 00:15:52,664 And I think that being thankful and being 409 00:15:52,664 --> 00:15:53,164 grateful, 410 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,180 like, every single moment when I walk outside 411 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:56,899 my house 412 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,759 and I look at all the nature and 413 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:01,920 all that, I just feel this deep, deep 414 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:02,420 thankfulness. 415 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,040 And so that's what I like to share 416 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:05,779 with people 417 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:06,820 because 418 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,220 I started out a long time ago 419 00:16:09,575 --> 00:16:11,035 as a griper and complainer 420 00:16:11,414 --> 00:16:14,134 Oh, okay. When I was younger. Okay. And 421 00:16:14,134 --> 00:16:16,855 because I wrote in journals, I, 422 00:16:17,414 --> 00:16:19,035 minister at one of the CSLs 423 00:16:19,575 --> 00:16:22,535 suggested we, write five things we're thankful for 424 00:16:22,535 --> 00:16:23,820 for forty five days. 425 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:27,200 And she promised our life would change beautifully. 426 00:16:27,899 --> 00:16:29,899 And so I did it two different years 427 00:16:29,899 --> 00:16:31,980 and that's what happened to me. Like, I 428 00:16:31,980 --> 00:16:33,519 stopped griping and complaining 429 00:16:34,460 --> 00:16:36,940 and I just started being thankful for everything 430 00:16:36,940 --> 00:16:38,355 and then my life just 431 00:16:38,914 --> 00:16:42,454 improved so much dramatically and wonderfully and powerfully 432 00:16:42,914 --> 00:16:45,495 that I'm just a great believer in gratitude. 433 00:16:46,034 --> 00:16:46,534 Wow. 434 00:16:47,634 --> 00:16:49,554 Yeah. I feel that it can be our 435 00:16:49,554 --> 00:16:50,054 superpower 436 00:16:50,750 --> 00:16:53,149 and it helps to make you joyously free, 437 00:16:53,149 --> 00:16:53,649 Joni. 438 00:16:53,950 --> 00:16:55,870 You know it? Tell me about it. Yes. 439 00:16:55,870 --> 00:16:57,230 You know? And and and I I don't 440 00:16:57,230 --> 00:16:59,070 know where I learned that along the the 441 00:16:59,070 --> 00:17:01,470 life journey as well, but to journal and 442 00:17:01,470 --> 00:17:02,450 to write down 443 00:17:03,304 --> 00:17:05,944 five things that you're grateful for that day. 444 00:17:05,944 --> 00:17:08,025 And what I remember is you're not able 445 00:17:08,025 --> 00:17:09,944 to repeat that for that forty five days 446 00:17:09,944 --> 00:17:12,184 that you do this. You cannot repeat the 447 00:17:12,184 --> 00:17:14,184 same thing that you've been thankful for. Did 448 00:17:14,184 --> 00:17:15,884 did you do that part too of it? 449 00:17:15,944 --> 00:17:18,059 She didn't have us, do that, but that's 450 00:17:18,059 --> 00:17:19,900 a great one. Yeah. That's a great one. 451 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:21,339 So so name so name me, 452 00:17:22,140 --> 00:17:25,119 name me five things today that your gratitude 453 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:27,599 heart is is bursting with, Deborah. 454 00:17:29,855 --> 00:17:31,934 Just being here with you right now makes 455 00:17:31,934 --> 00:17:32,914 me very grateful, 456 00:17:33,295 --> 00:17:35,934 honestly. And talking to other people, knowing that 457 00:17:35,934 --> 00:17:38,335 people are listening, and that, I get to 458 00:17:38,335 --> 00:17:39,555 share about gratitude. 459 00:17:40,174 --> 00:17:40,674 And, 460 00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:43,779 I'll be going on a walk with my 461 00:17:43,779 --> 00:17:46,179 darling dog pretty soon, and that makes me 462 00:17:46,179 --> 00:17:48,359 so happy and thankful. Uh-huh. 463 00:17:49,619 --> 00:17:50,440 Let's see. 464 00:17:52,259 --> 00:17:54,099 He won five things. I I think he 465 00:17:54,099 --> 00:17:55,619 he probably came up with four or five, 466 00:17:55,619 --> 00:17:56,740 but, you know, if you have if you 467 00:17:56,740 --> 00:17:57,399 have more, 468 00:17:57,724 --> 00:18:00,125 definitely, you can put for my cozy home 469 00:18:00,125 --> 00:18:03,164 and for the frog singing every single night 470 00:18:03,164 --> 00:18:05,085 right now. There you go. Because it's almost 471 00:18:05,085 --> 00:18:05,585 spring. 472 00:18:05,964 --> 00:18:09,005 Wow. There. That's definitely five. That's definitely five. 473 00:18:09,005 --> 00:18:10,765 You know? And listeners, as you're paying attention 474 00:18:10,765 --> 00:18:12,684 to what Deborah is doing, they're not like 475 00:18:12,684 --> 00:18:13,990 this huge enormous 476 00:18:14,769 --> 00:18:16,630 thing. They could be very, very simple, 477 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:17,910 but you're recognizing, 478 00:18:18,210 --> 00:18:19,029 you're observing, 479 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:21,970 you're you're celebrating the life within all of 480 00:18:21,970 --> 00:18:25,190 that. That's so beautiful. So beautiful. I know. 481 00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:28,724 Yep. And, you know, gratitude promotes health, both 482 00:18:28,724 --> 00:18:31,684 mental and physical. Mhmm. And it helps us 483 00:18:31,684 --> 00:18:34,164 be happy instead of sad or angry. Mhmm. 484 00:18:34,164 --> 00:18:35,865 And that's why I call it a superpower. 485 00:18:36,005 --> 00:18:36,984 Mhmm. Because, 486 00:18:38,005 --> 00:18:41,384 when you get grateful, then everything just changes 487 00:18:41,605 --> 00:18:42,890 to joy 488 00:18:43,910 --> 00:18:46,309 and abundance and love. You know? It's like 489 00:18:46,309 --> 00:18:48,970 you just can't help it because you're grateful. 490 00:18:49,349 --> 00:18:51,910 Right. You know? Right. Right. You know, and 491 00:18:51,910 --> 00:18:53,750 as you talk about this, I I remember, 492 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:55,670 you know, my honey, Carol, had a massive 493 00:18:55,670 --> 00:18:57,494 brain bleed stroke. And, 494 00:18:58,034 --> 00:19:00,034 yes, it was very hard. Yes. It was 495 00:19:00,034 --> 00:19:03,075 very challenging. Yes. I I got depressed. And, 496 00:19:03,075 --> 00:19:05,394 yes, I mean, all the the negative stuff 497 00:19:05,394 --> 00:19:07,154 that pulls you down when you love somebody 498 00:19:07,154 --> 00:19:08,595 so much, and now life is like in 499 00:19:08,595 --> 00:19:09,414 in an uproar. 500 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,500 But then to to say to be thankful 501 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,039 to be thankful that she is alive or 502 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:17,039 to be thankful for the medical team and 503 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:20,000 the the airlifting that took place and the 504 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,799 the hospital bed and, just yeah. It it's 505 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:24,559 like it's like you have to do, like, 506 00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:25,220 a switch. 507 00:19:25,755 --> 00:19:27,115 You have to do a switch in your 508 00:19:27,115 --> 00:19:28,875 brain and your heart to do that because 509 00:19:28,875 --> 00:19:30,154 it's hard to get out of some of 510 00:19:30,154 --> 00:19:31,615 the negativity of the world. 511 00:19:32,555 --> 00:19:34,095 Sure is. And so, 512 00:19:34,555 --> 00:19:37,275 yeah, I always turn to if I'm watching 513 00:19:37,275 --> 00:19:39,994 the TV, which sometimes in the news, you 514 00:19:39,994 --> 00:19:40,589 know, it can be very disheartening and depressing, 515 00:19:40,634 --> 00:19:41,160 I'll just, 516 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:42,859 disheartening and depressing. 517 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:45,000 I'll just 518 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,420 what I do is I put on my 519 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,759 air earbuds and listen to something positive 520 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,320 Mhmm. Because you can always switch it around 521 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,795 like you were saying. There's always something to 522 00:19:55,795 --> 00:19:58,055 be grateful for. You found things with, 523 00:19:58,835 --> 00:19:59,335 Carol's, 524 00:19:59,715 --> 00:20:02,355 you know, illness and then her passing. I 525 00:20:02,355 --> 00:20:03,955 know you, and I know that you ended 526 00:20:03,955 --> 00:20:04,455 up, 527 00:20:04,995 --> 00:20:05,654 you know, 528 00:20:06,275 --> 00:20:07,414 feeling so, 529 00:20:08,279 --> 00:20:11,100 thankful for knowing her for so long. And, 530 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:13,400 you know, it's just that's what you can 531 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,400 do is you can always switch it around. 532 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,500 Mhmm. That's what I love about gratitude. 533 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,674 Mhmm. Exactly. Exactly. So in these five books, 534 00:20:21,815 --> 00:20:23,414 they they might be a resource for for 535 00:20:23,414 --> 00:20:25,654 listeners out there, Deborah. Can you talk a 536 00:20:25,654 --> 00:20:27,494 little bit about those five books that you 537 00:20:27,494 --> 00:20:29,994 did and and where they are accessible? 538 00:20:31,095 --> 00:20:33,815 Yeah. So one thing I wanna say before 539 00:20:33,815 --> 00:20:36,039 I talk about the books Okay. Is that 540 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:41,000 if they go to www.graceofgratitude.com 541 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:41,720 Okay. 542 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,119 On the homepage, they can sign up for 543 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,000 the gratitude daily gratitude reflections they send out 544 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:47,820 by email, 545 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:50,835 and they also receive a free PDF 546 00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:54,095 of, one of my books. Oh. So that 547 00:20:54,095 --> 00:20:56,275 book is Grace of Gratitude Reflections, 548 00:20:57,054 --> 00:20:59,794 and that it's a small book. And 549 00:21:00,174 --> 00:21:00,335 it's 550 00:21:00,974 --> 00:21:03,214 if you got a physical copy, you can 551 00:21:03,214 --> 00:21:04,779 put it in your pocket and just bring 552 00:21:04,779 --> 00:21:06,859 it out to look for something to inspire 553 00:21:06,859 --> 00:21:09,599 you if you wanted to. Mhmm. And then 554 00:21:10,220 --> 00:21:12,880 the let's see. The two journals are, 555 00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:17,019 Grace of Gratitude Journal. They're both called Grace 556 00:21:17,019 --> 00:21:19,519 of Gratitude Journal, and they have different covers. 557 00:21:19,825 --> 00:21:23,345 They have beautiful artwork that Tara Thalen did 558 00:21:23,345 --> 00:21:24,085 for us 559 00:21:24,625 --> 00:21:25,125 on 560 00:21:25,424 --> 00:21:26,404 various pages. 561 00:21:26,705 --> 00:21:28,705 And then they have a place for each 562 00:21:28,705 --> 00:21:30,884 person to write what they're grateful for. 563 00:21:31,424 --> 00:21:32,244 And also, 564 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:35,045 I have some inspiring quotes of gratitude. 565 00:21:35,849 --> 00:21:38,250 So that's what those books entail. There's many 566 00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:40,569 pages to write what you're grateful for, as 567 00:21:40,569 --> 00:21:42,910 well as inspiring quotes and then Tara's 568 00:21:43,369 --> 00:21:46,410 lovely artwork to look at as well. Mhmm. 569 00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:48,024 I have one of those books, and I 570 00:21:48,105 --> 00:21:49,865 I've been using I've been using it for 571 00:21:49,865 --> 00:21:52,184 the last year, and I absolutely love the 572 00:21:52,184 --> 00:21:54,585 artwork. I love the the freedom. I love 573 00:21:54,585 --> 00:21:56,025 the the the the, 574 00:21:56,744 --> 00:21:58,345 what do I wanna say? It's the joy 575 00:21:58,345 --> 00:22:00,184 that comes out of the page because it's 576 00:22:00,184 --> 00:22:02,720 just very simple, the quote or the invitation 577 00:22:03,420 --> 00:22:04,400 to to write. 578 00:22:05,259 --> 00:22:05,759 Yes. 579 00:22:06,299 --> 00:22:09,339 Thank you. Yes. And then one's a hardback 580 00:22:09,339 --> 00:22:11,119 and the other one is paperback. 581 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:13,500 Mhmm. And they can any of those, they 582 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:15,904 can get at wwdot, 583 00:22:16,065 --> 00:22:17,664 graceofgratitude.com. 584 00:22:17,664 --> 00:22:19,505 Mhmm. And then I wanna talk about the 585 00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:23,025 reflections books too. Mhmm. So then I have 586 00:22:23,025 --> 00:22:23,525 two, 587 00:22:24,144 --> 00:22:26,005 gratitude reflections books, 588 00:22:26,625 --> 00:22:27,125 and 589 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,000 they are filled with the cream of the 590 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,859 crop. I've been doing these gratitudes 591 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,559 every single day for, like, ten years or 592 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,720 more. Oh, oh. And so I took the 593 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,779 cream of the crop, 594 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,375 for both books, 595 00:22:40,335 --> 00:22:43,154 and they're in these gratitude reflections books. 596 00:22:43,535 --> 00:22:46,355 And the second one, which is volume two, 597 00:22:46,654 --> 00:22:48,115 has beautiful pictures, 598 00:22:48,575 --> 00:22:51,134 photos on every single page. Oh, wow. So 599 00:22:51,134 --> 00:22:53,279 then I love that because then you can 600 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:55,519 really reflect on those as well as what 601 00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:58,400 the words say. A picture speaks a thousand 602 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:58,900 words. 603 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,339 Yeah. Yeah. 604 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:02,880 Wow. Wonderful. Wonderful. You know, and I love 605 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,900 how you tied that in, that it promotes 606 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,140 healthy physical and mental health. 607 00:23:07,444 --> 00:23:08,825 That's just so important. 608 00:23:09,125 --> 00:23:10,484 Can you talk a little bit more about 609 00:23:10,484 --> 00:23:10,984 that? 610 00:23:11,845 --> 00:23:13,365 Well, you know, some, 611 00:23:13,765 --> 00:23:16,184 therapists have actually ordered my books 612 00:23:16,484 --> 00:23:18,325 because they found that, 613 00:23:19,684 --> 00:23:21,224 when a patient is depressed, 614 00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:23,839 that if they start writing what they're grateful 615 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:25,299 for, they immediately 616 00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:26,500 feel more, 617 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:29,679 you know, health Mhmm. In in their minds. 618 00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:30,500 And so 619 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,279 I think it's a great way to help 620 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:33,779 someone's 621 00:23:35,144 --> 00:23:37,724 positive state, you know, to just make them 622 00:23:37,785 --> 00:23:40,184 focus on what is right rather than what 623 00:23:40,184 --> 00:23:42,285 is wrong. Mhmm. So Mhmm. 624 00:23:42,664 --> 00:23:43,164 Mhmm. 625 00:23:43,465 --> 00:23:45,545 Yep. Oh, I I get that. I get 626 00:23:45,545 --> 00:23:47,144 that. You know? And I thank god every 627 00:23:47,144 --> 00:23:48,569 day that that I grew up in a 628 00:23:48,569 --> 00:23:50,809 family. And and Mike knows my father and 629 00:23:50,809 --> 00:23:52,990 my mother from back in the old days. 630 00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:53,369 But, 631 00:23:54,089 --> 00:23:56,670 my parents were both very, very grateful people, 632 00:23:56,809 --> 00:23:59,210 happy people. They saw the the better light 633 00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:59,950 of everything. 634 00:24:00,329 --> 00:24:00,730 And, 635 00:24:01,369 --> 00:24:03,494 yeah, that that's part of that thankfulness. Oh 636 00:24:03,494 --> 00:24:05,174 my gosh. You know, one of the quotes 637 00:24:05,174 --> 00:24:07,815 that you said was everything is a miracle 638 00:24:07,815 --> 00:24:09,734 is how you look at things. Why don't 639 00:24:09,734 --> 00:24:11,575 you end by talking a little bit about 640 00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:13,575 that and then your final comments for us 641 00:24:13,575 --> 00:24:14,394 today, Deborah? 642 00:24:15,509 --> 00:24:19,269 Okay. Well, I really truly believe that everything 643 00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:20,009 is a miracle. 644 00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:22,789 I mean, life itself is a miracle, us 645 00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:24,089 being on this planet 646 00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:27,049 and all the different life forms. 647 00:24:27,625 --> 00:24:29,784 You know, I pretty much believe everything is 648 00:24:29,784 --> 00:24:30,284 alive. 649 00:24:30,744 --> 00:24:31,484 And so 650 00:24:32,184 --> 00:24:34,184 how can that not be a miracle? You 651 00:24:34,184 --> 00:24:36,105 know what I mean? So it just fills 652 00:24:36,105 --> 00:24:38,284 me up to the brim to realize 653 00:24:38,904 --> 00:24:39,724 how magical 654 00:24:40,184 --> 00:24:42,519 every single moment is and how 655 00:24:42,899 --> 00:24:43,399 wonderful 656 00:24:44,019 --> 00:24:46,339 every single part of life is. Mhmm. And 657 00:24:46,339 --> 00:24:48,099 so that's why I say everything is a 658 00:24:48,099 --> 00:24:50,119 miracle. I totally believe that. 659 00:24:50,659 --> 00:24:50,980 And, 660 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:53,619 I thought that I give a few tips 661 00:24:53,619 --> 00:24:55,913 at the end. Great. Great. What what do 662 00:24:55,913 --> 00:24:57,159 you mean? You got about thirty 663 00:24:57,525 --> 00:24:59,365 thirty seconds or so. Whip them out there. 664 00:24:59,365 --> 00:25:01,605 Okay. I'll go fast. Okay. Write five things 665 00:25:01,605 --> 00:25:04,164 you're thankful for every day for forty days. 666 00:25:04,164 --> 00:25:04,664 Awesome. 667 00:25:05,285 --> 00:25:07,684 Be yourself, your glorious self, and don't try 668 00:25:07,684 --> 00:25:10,005 to fit into boxes society might try to 669 00:25:10,005 --> 00:25:12,579 impose on you. Awesome. And find a spiritual 670 00:25:12,579 --> 00:25:15,079 path, whatever it is for you. Mine is 671 00:25:15,379 --> 00:25:18,179 the Centers for Spiritual Loving Living, and it's 672 00:25:18,179 --> 00:25:19,480 csl.org. 673 00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:20,919 Wow. And I'm complete. 674 00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:24,579 Wow. Okay. Let's repeat those. Five five things 675 00:25:24,579 --> 00:25:26,359 you're grateful for for forty days. 676 00:25:27,815 --> 00:25:29,894 Be yourself and don't try to fit into 677 00:25:29,894 --> 00:25:32,055 a box as society might try to impose 678 00:25:32,055 --> 00:25:34,695 on you. Yep. Be your glorious self and 679 00:25:34,695 --> 00:25:36,855 find a spiritual path, whatever it is for 680 00:25:36,855 --> 00:25:39,095 you. Oh, I love it. I love it. 681 00:25:39,095 --> 00:25:41,659 Oh, you are amazing. I'd I've loved every 682 00:25:41,659 --> 00:25:43,819 bit of our interview today. I I wanna 683 00:25:43,819 --> 00:25:45,179 thank you from the top of my heart, 684 00:25:45,179 --> 00:25:47,419 Deborah, for putting out your your love, your 685 00:25:47,419 --> 00:25:47,919 joy, 686 00:25:48,220 --> 00:25:50,240 and and just your gratitude of life. 687 00:25:50,619 --> 00:25:53,359 Listeners, you know what? Money. Yes, Deborah. 688 00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:56,585 Thank you so much. Oh, thank you. Yeah. 689 00:25:56,585 --> 00:25:58,505 You're welcome. You're welcome. Hey. Let's thank the 690 00:25:58,505 --> 00:26:00,585 listeners for joining us today on the Southern 691 00:26:00,585 --> 00:26:02,664 Oregon and Northern California Coast and over in 692 00:26:02,664 --> 00:26:04,345 the Rogue Valley. Thank you for being with 693 00:26:04,345 --> 00:26:06,744 us in a joyously free manner, and I 694 00:26:06,744 --> 00:26:08,904 think that you received quite a few step 695 00:26:09,144 --> 00:26:11,670 tips and hopes and loves from Deborah today. 696 00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:13,650 We wanna give high tens to Deborah. We 697 00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:16,690 wanna give high tens to, Tom Bozak, Candice 698 00:26:16,690 --> 00:26:19,090 and Rose, and especially Mike Gorse, who's on 699 00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:20,849 the sound team today to make all this 700 00:26:20,849 --> 00:26:23,109 happen. We give compliments to KCIW, 701 00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:23,990 KZZH, 702 00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:24,950 and KSKQ. 703 00:26:25,694 --> 00:26:27,214 We give a shout out to the sponsors 704 00:26:27,214 --> 00:26:29,535 of the show, Steve Van Cleave, Sally, and 705 00:26:29,535 --> 00:26:31,855 Todd Roy. You know? And most importantly, we 706 00:26:31,855 --> 00:26:33,934 give thanks to you, the listeners, for tuning 707 00:26:33,934 --> 00:26:35,615 in. And you know how we always end 708 00:26:35,615 --> 00:26:38,759 this. It's a big, big mantra of smile 709 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,400 big and wear bright colors. Have a great 710 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,140 day, everybody. 711 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,660 Thanks again, Deborah. 712 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:46,779 Thank you. Bye bye. Bye.