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Now here's Ray to tell us about today's
show. Yeah. This is something that
is on everybody's mind or should be on
everybody's mind.
And the subject,
reminds me, I think it was Carl Sagan
who said that extraordinary
claims
require extraordinary evidence. And I think we have
a couple of people here that are gonna
give us just that. So as we go
around the room,
we need you both to introduce yourself and
give us
all the reasons you have expertise in this
field. Who are we starting with? Go ahead.
Myself with me. Yes. We generally go clockwise.
Okay. And you already know the two of
you. Unless unless unless you think the world
should go the other way. Well, counterclockwise,
spiral arms do exist in the universe, but
that's alright. That's another subject.
My name is Billie Ruth Hopkins Farooichi.
I do have a podcast on KCIW
called
Angelita's
Wings,
and it is my
science fiction
tale
about,
many characters flying off into space
through wormholes and whatnot.
Right. Oh my goodness. But I've got I've
got some interesting,
data from a friend of mine. I used
to be the ghostwriter for his book, so
I'll get to that later. Yeah.
Alright. Well, I am Shirley Hyatt, and I
have a couple of shows on KZIW,
which I hope you listen to, Stardust and
Mostly Bluegrass.
And so I'm sitting in today as a
guest,
and I don't know much about this subject
other than to just say
it's possible.
It is very possible.
Okay. That's all Shirley has to say. So,
Billy, you wanna start us out? I know.
I I think that's not all Shirley has.
So So we actually have three famous radio
personalities here today. We do. There we go.
Golly. Yeah. And you're becoming more famous at
the days go by.
The famousness is just all around me. Well,
I'll tell you what. You've got the best
radio voice.
Okay. One thing. Good. That's one thing. That's
a very good thing.
When when I started, I was told that
that was me, but I guess I'm getting
older and my radio voice has gone away.
More than one good radio voice. Out of
number one, have we? Alright. Yeah. Because I
was starting to feel really bad.
No. No. This is not a competition.
No. For you.
So we're often Girls aren't as competitive as
guys are. I guess, I Yeah. We are
often running on the topic of UFOs, and
boy can go
all over the place. And,
Billy, would you like to start? Well, I
don't know. I I think you watched a
movie that has some interest in what's coming
into yet. That'll come in later, do you
think? Anytime. I mean There is a movie
it's a documentary out there that
I was privy to and watched it called
The Age of Disclosure.
And I tell you what, it was very
interesting, very eye opening. And, yes, throughout the
show, I'll probably be coming from that
vantage point, if you will, through most of
the show because it was impressive to me.
Well, yeah. Well, I'd like to hear that,
be especially because my friend Dan Weiss
is the author of a book that I
was, at first, a ghostwriter for many, many
years ago, and his it's his tale of
the hollow earth.
His research on it, began in the sixties
when after he came back from Vietnam,
And he had he had met
someone in Kansas who called himself Ritter von
Ex, who claimed to have been a u
boat captain
for
the Nazis.
And as that u boat captain, he went
into the center of the
Earth. Now this
is is his book is, quote, unquote, fiction,
but he believes all of it. He might
I even told him, please listen to our
show, and he might text in Oh, let's
go. Of questions. I really hope he does.
Yeah. Well, so say how how that relates
to UFOs.
Well, it relates because the, you remember the
story of admiral Byrd flying over the Yeah.
Poles. Mhmm. And admiral Byrd supposedly had a
secret diary that documented his trips into the
center of the Earth where he
met several,
beings from outer space who were living in
the center of the Earth.
And,
there are also documented files.
Did there work? Never never. No. Go ahead.
I was gonna ask if that's where Republicans
come from. Oh, you know what? Now Now
Now yeah. I don't think this is gonna
get off into political
realm. Yeah. But but Just scratch that.
Edit that out. Yeah. It is interesting that
that, he says there are over 600 FBI
files
regarding you both 05/30
and the conversations between Adolf Hitler
and beings under the
in the center of the Earth.
And he says
the content included
in his latest book,
called The Holy Lance,
talks about all of all of the conversations
that they had with this, U boat captain,
Ritter von Ex.
Okay. That's a new one. I've never heard
of that. And it's it would be interesting.
He does have a, he has a movie
coming out called
The Hollow Earth, of course. That's the name
of it. And, The Hollow Earth and the
Spear of
Christ
and The Hollow Earth Revisited. I think there
are two separate movies. So the people who
are living in there are supposedly not people
from our
planet No. But people who came from who
knows where
and decided to make their home there for
some reason?
For observational purposes. To watch to make sure
that we are not blowing ourselves up. Oh,
well, we're good with that. Little guys they
found in Mexico a few years ago? Oh,
I don't think that has anything to do
with those little guys. Okay. No. Uh-uh. No.
That's a different race entirely. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, Ray did touch on the political,
aspect of it a little bit, but,
and I'll like I said, throughout here, I'll
try to touch on some of the stuff
that I garnered from that. It's a great
documentary.
If you have a chance to watch it,
it is on
Amazon I don't have Amazon Prime. I actually
paid for the privilege of watching the movie
in preparation for this show. And what's the
name of it? The Age of Disclosure.
And it talked about
politicians,
military
generals
from both sides of the aisle
were all in cahoots
on how important
this,
the research that they've done
is. So it covered both sides of the
aisle. And is it It was about national
security. It covered national security because of what
they have
found.
And what have they found? Well,
they found a lot of stuff, basically.
Extraordinary evidence?
I would call it Okay. That Evidence
of extraterrestrial
Evidence
of non
nonhuman
craft and
nonhuman
bodies. I'll try to get into a little
more detail as we go. But the some
of this was documented a lot by navy,
air force, and marine pilots Mhmm. That were
witnessing craft Mhmm. Traveling at
speeds that
we don't we can't do. Above 60 miles
an hour. Oh, well above that. Well above
that. Now this is in nineteen forties.
No. No. No. This this docu documentary, I
believe, was
well, fairly recent with Oh, okay. So it's
new Oh, no. New information. In fact, one
of the interviewees
was,
Marco Rubio.
Uh-huh. And Must be good then. Well, I
mean, again, both sides of the aisle, but
he was,
concerned
about
national security,
what they found. They were figuring that the
the speeds that they witnessed
some of these craft doing
and
the way they would
fly, let's say, over the ocean, fly into
the ocean, come out of the ocean with
no discernible,
splash is about the best way I could
determine it. It cut through like a knife
through butter. There you go. There you go.
But, again, this wasn't like Leonard Nimoy's
In Search Of or anything. This was a
documentary that was,
pretty serious.
Yeah. And They've been documenting those craft for
years Yes. Coming in and out of water.
So why do you think that it is
still so hush-hush
if people are
claiming that this is true and they have
evidence and blah blah blah? It is true.
Why is this the big question? Where is
the history? Because we might panic.
We might panic? Oh, I believe. Not sure
what that panic would look like. Would we
all go
hide our basement? Everybody no. I'd wanna go
there. I'd say, show me. Yeah. I don't
think I don't think people would panic at
after all that we've heard about these things
because
I really believe this now this is my
personal belief. So Okay. Do you want my
personal belief? I do. I really believe that
it's not unrelated to what to,
preventing world wars. And,
they're watching to make sure that we don't
blow ourselves up again. And if we do,
then they will come back to help us
rebuild civilization
while as they have
for millennia,
because
we've done this to ourselves before, and the
ancient aliens are simply us
coming back to help us.
Well That's my belief. But another That's my
belief. That's my belief. Another aspect of it
is,
now, of course, the nonhuman part wouldn't be
part of this, but the concern that maybe
could be one of our, quote, enemies, I'll
throw out China,
that have developed
technology
that that we're not aware of.
And that's what some of that concern is.
Because,
some of the military people that were part
of that documentary,
couple of them have witnessed,
I say UFO. They also call them UAPs.
UAPs. That's the new term. Yeah. Yeah. Unidentified
anomalous I have to say it right. Unidentified
anomalous phenomena.
Mhmm. But there were two instances, both from
Air Force higher ups that witnessed,
UAPs hovering above
ICBM
site
in the, Ellsworth, I think, Air Force Bay,
San Diego, and the other one was at
Vandenberg.
Mhmm.
Again, I guess everybody has to take it
with a grain of salt. Now how were
these were these flying around in the daytime?
No. At night. Oh, I think Both of
the ones that
I garnered from there, was in the in
the evening at night. And they have lights
on. Right?
The one was the one at South Dakota
Ellsworth was very bright.
The other one was dark a dark rectangle
in Vandenberg that that they say they couldn't
discern any
opening windows. And then that one,
after witnessing it hovering above,
I think it was a nuclear site, if
I'm not or or an ICBM site. Mhmm.
After they witnessed it for so long, it,
according to the people, took off at a
very high speed Deep to it. And then
was gone. So where do they go when
they leave their
business here running around and trying to scare
people to death? Nose. Yeah. Well, there you
go. He knows. No. I'm I'm I'm not
in favor of just assuming everything.
But Well, sure. Surely. But at Certainly. But
at the same time, I think you have
to apply
some logic to this. I mean, we've we've
certainly seen enough documentaries
of that that couple who
claim that they were taken aboard the UFO
and they were,
probed and,
you know, people who ever see the the
Saturday night live takeoffs on those things? No.
I haven't been Oh, you have you have
to look it up. They have that different
Well, there have been a lot of people
who claim that they have been abducted. Yeah.
And are they treated as legitimate
people? Are they treated as as, people who
have lost their marbles somehow?
I'm I think it covers the spectrum there
whom we hear stories about that. Playing devil's
advocate a little bit because I think if
it's that
out there, if it is that,
confirmed
well, like, I guess somebody asked Obama, and
he said, yeah. He he said he believed
that aliens were real. Now
nobody went on to say,
so tell me about that. So what do
you mean that they are real? What does
that mean? Kinda did. The the the the
full quote was more along the lines of,
there's so many planets and so you know,
there pretty much has to be. That's not
what he said, but that's what it is.
And and he also
also reaffirmed the idea that there we do
not have any aliens
in Area 51
unless they kept it secret from the president
of The United States, which state.
Anyway. Speaking of the president and by the
way, if y'all out there have seen or
been abducted, you can call her. I mean,
you can text it. Or I'm being abducted
this very moment. (541)
661-4098.
Or if you're an abductor
out there, I'd like to take a little
vacation. I I I'm like, beam me up.
You know? Exactly. Me yeah. Me too. I
think we have automatic translators for that language.
Yes.
Well, Ray, you brought up you said the
president part of in, in that documentary was,
some of the people in there felt there
was even,
information
that god. Now I can't remember. There was
another group within
anyway, they were
trying to keep the president of The United
States out of some of this information,
figuring they were,
they just didn't want even the president to
know. Well, supposedly, that's why Eisenhower
was,
was taken into one of the Area 51
places,
and he observed there there had been some
documentary
about Eisenhower going in when he was president.
So way back then, they were they were
definitely researching it. The reality of it is
that
Area 51 is apparently a highly
secretive spot. We were doing highly secret stuff,
and Sure.
What's wrong with that?
There's nothing wrong with that. Wrong with that.
And I think that is Just because it's
secret doesn't mean we have the alien in
there. We're doing This is true. Autopsies. And
This is true.
Because they they are developing a lot of
super sonic. They developed the supersonic,
jet
in that Area 51,
in the in the forties, I think it
was. Yeah.
Well, is that we you know, the questions,
we probably should all
be asking, which which we do, do
do you believe
that there could be an Oh, absolutely. I
believe certainly believe there could be. Do I
believe There could be. Yeah. That it's been
proven? No.
Not yet. I think I I'd be more
likely to believe that there was a little
bit more consistency.
If one one time there are a blob
that's a white light or a yellow light,
next time they're a square, next time they're
round, and then the infamous one that's, that's
triangular shape and flies with its lights on.
Why why should why should each craft be
identical? We have look how many look look
how many different types of craft we have.
But but they all have the same basic
concept. They have wings, and they have propellers
and all. And that if you if you
saw
a a a plane that was built in
Russia today or a plane that was it's
a plane. It's
it has similar characteristics, and all these things
are completely different. The shape Well, we have
to assume that if it's something that's so
self contained,
that doesn't appear to have windows, doesn't appear
to have any form of propulsion,
how is it getting around? I mean, how
what is propelling it? Why why isn't there
a sound? That is one of the huge
questions that they talk about.
One thing they talked about that when the
pilots were telling them or relaying the mess
or video that they've shown with these
crafts going at supersonic speeds, I don't know
how else to describe it, faster than anything
we could come up with at this time.
And going into the water, not making a
splash,
that there's this energy that we have no
idea how
energy and fuel
that we have no idea what they Well,
I think you've hit on it there with
that word energy because that that is something
that obviously
can be harnessed
energy. Everything is energy. Everything is Mhmm. Is,
you know, why why is everything
glued together, so to speak? Why why doesn't
it all fly off in every direction? Because
Gravity. Gravity. Of gravity. You know? Yeah. And
if these if these,
phenomenon or these crafts
aren't subject to gravity or they they have
the power to
to take off a a a gazillion
miles per hour Mhmm. Where are they going?
It's a well, they're
I mean, presumably,
they come from
just distant galaxies,
and, they they need to be able to
get back to those distant galaxies quickly. So
they have developed
the the means by which they can supersonically
just zip through the
the closest wormhole and We are the, the
ants in the anthill that they're looking at.
Not necessarily.
No. I don't think that's necessarily I think
all the numbers say that the closest possible
place that could be inhabited
is, like, 500 light years away. Light years
away. Yeah.
Yeah. Those distances
are,
to me, unimaginable.
And they're subject to our
understanding
of physics. Of physics. Exactly right. Okay. And
I'm certainly no
scientist here, but from what I understand,
they say that nothing can go faster than
the speed of light
as we know it now. As we know
it now. Yeah. But, you know,
I'm not saying that's a hard and fast
rule. I don't know. Because things change. I
mean, over the centuries, we have changed our
perception
of these rules, quote, unquote, rules of the
universe. People used to think the world was
flat. Well, sometimes still
do. That could be a subject for another
show.
But I've looked into that, and I I
still don't understand the reasoning. So Yeah. No.
I I don't either.
But it doesn't mean that it's not
a a topic that some scientists, like, could
some scientists who know a whole lot more
than the four of us Mhmm. Could could
suss out and,
begin to understand how they zip away so
quickly
and to where they are going. Like Shirley
said, where are they going? Yeah. Well and
we don't even know what life form it
is Mhmm. That Yeah. Perhaps is not even
on board. Maybe that craft isn't even
manned. Right. Pardon the expression. Maybe it's all
all some,
AI generated Good. Non non
Non you? Anti Maybe there's no organic material
there, and it's all just And it's all
just AI generated. That's what happened. Maybe that's
where our world Back way back when, they
fooled around too much with AI, and that's
what they came up with. Yeah. Yeah. That
is a worry. I mean, I wouldn't be
surprised
about that.
Well, Tucker Tucker Carlson, we all remember Tucker
Carlson, who was still alive even though he
got
anyway,
he says it's super supernatural.
That's his the only explanation. That's always easy
to say. Sure. But way back when It's
a mystery.
Way way back when Probably
even now, they had
what physicists call the
the God gaps.
If there was something they didn't understand
Mhmm. Well, that has to be God. Has
to be God. Well It must be God.
Speaking of God and religion, I'll go here
because within the documentary and again, I wanna,
if if you all have a chance, it
it really is a good documentary. It's not
like What's it called? The Age of Disclosure.
It's k. It's And it's on Amazon Prime.
Amazon Prime. It
it's more akin to something that you would
see on PBS's Frontline
rather than Litter and Des Moines or talk
Yeah. That it really done well. But there
was a mention
of one of the reasons
that they want to keep this under wraps.
Some people wanna keep it under wraps
were the
religious
factions in high military
and government
that were,
believed it was part
of the devil, Satan.
Oh, there you go. Oh, and you continued
to watch it after they said that?
In the documentary, that was their reasons
that they were saying that some of the
people didn't want the,
the facts out there. Well, I can because
it was the work of the devil. And
we know that there are some people in
high places
that let that religious zealotry take over,
common sense. Yeah. We do.
So, again, that's just one of the other
Well facets of that. Documentary.
Yeah. I think that is really interesting because
everything that you can't explain,
then, of course, you can cast
pass that off onto God to say, well
Right. It's the unexplainable. But he you know?
Or the devil. God or the devil. Yeah.
Yeah. And so if Mhmm. If you cast
him cast this into into saying it's of
the devil, then that's has an evil intention.
And so far,
have we anything to say that it is
an evilly intended
vehicle of some sort. I mean, what has
it done? What have these crafts done to
prove, one way or the other, that they're
here for good or good for here for
good? You don't think that. Well, if you
as an answer. If you have watched any
of the ancient alien
Yeah. Series,
there's a woman, Linda, somebody
who who did a who is
studying how the mutilation of animals Yeah. Has
occurred throughout
the the
whole planet. It's all over the world. And
that these these cows, particularly cows, I don't
know why they would be interested in particular
because they're docile.
They don't they they just stand around, don't
seem to be doing anything. I mean, maybe.
I don't know. Maybe that's what they're trying
to figure out is why don't cows do
any Why why don't cows cut them open
and stuff. They just walk around and Yeah.
They just die. But but they evidently, they
extract all of their organs and leave these
cows
bloodless. They extract the organs, and there's no
blood even,
that to to speak of. So that's a
very
weird,
thing to happen. The god gap. And the
god gap. I'm just glad they're not doing
it to humans. I have not heard of
any humans having their organs zapped out of
them like cows have. That's because they they
have the ability to make you forget that
that person Per here you go. There you
go. That's it. You know, Bigfoot
exists,
but he has the ability to make you
forget that you saw him. So you probably
saw three of them on the way to
work. I may have. In fact, I may
be maybe they transformed me into one of
them, and I'm really not Billy.
Sometimes I would yeah. I mean, you could
yeah. I've been accused of being silly, so,
you know, silly Billy can be
I think it's interesting that most of this
stuff started
during and shortly after World War two.
We're supposedly World War two pilots
They saw. Report seeing
fast things and Of the food bars. Mhmm.
Observations of them started around then. Yeah. Well,
that's what Danny's book talks about. He talks
about Adolf Hitler
having the u boat captain going into the
middle of the Earth and,
and,
meeting this being down there. I'm gonna find
it here in his writing that I that
he just sent me.
It says Danny says here,
of all the psychic and profound metaphysical
contacts in my life this is Danny talking.
None touched me more deeply than the remarkable
companion of Ritter von Axe known as
a friend of humanity,
the beloved being Thal, t h a l,
an awe inspiring
nortic,
nortic
entity
from the inner Earth
and commander of the mysterious flue fluegel guards,
UFOs,
who shuttle between the southern and northern
grids of our planet,
on the magnetic true north poles and who
serve as extraordinary mediators and messengers.
Now
this is this is what there is the
belief that that, Hitler's that's why Hitler sent
the u boats into the hollow Earth
to locate and talk to these beings. How
come they didn't help him win the war?
I don't know.
Is that where Hitler went? Because it's widely
known that he didn't die in the bunker,
that
nobody shoved the body and all that stuff.
Expected that. Is it either Argentina or Middle
Earth? And perhaps his organs were extracted.
Oh. Oh, this gets more interesting. I don't
know. Do we have a text? Well, we
do have a text and from,
somebody near and dear who also has seen
the movie.
So
from the movie,
Jay Stratton,
a former director of the US government's Unidentified
Aerial Phenomena
Task Force said,
I have seen with my own eyes nonhuman
craft
and nonhuman
beings.
Now, again, Jay,
Jay Stratton, very high ranking official that you
know,
these people in this documentary weren't the
the guys wearing bib overalls in Nebraska Right.
Or
they were very credible people. Thank you, Texter,
for that. Now This guy who saw the
aliens
talked to Did he describe what they looked
like? Did he talk about
he said nonhuman. My question is, how does
he know they're nonhuman?
What if they're humans
from the distant future and they don't look
human anymore because they have to
adapt to survive.
I mean, perhaps they are they were at
one time human, or perhaps they're AI. Just
just How does he know they're nonhuman?
I just that was the quote from the
movie, and I do remember that gentleman who
seemed again. Mhmm. I really encourage people if
you could watch it to watch it. It's
it's interesting,
and
it's an eye opener. Yeah. I will do
that.
Ray, you're not I'm not hearing Ray for
some reason.
Hold on. We might have a little glitch,
and we have to have our famous radio
personality. Well, maybe maybe one of those aliens
is make
Ray, they they did did they silence you,
Ray? No. Oh. Maybe maybe the the government.
The the fluuger the
fluuger odds. So Yeah. So does all of
this tie in with the,
the airplanes
that that go missing
when they fly over the Bermuda Triangle.
That wasn't discussed in the documentary. That part,
I don't know. Yeah. You know what? If
you if you're not Dylan. And you're wearing,
white
after Labor Day, you could be considered a
nonhuman vice.
Okay. We're
having this tiny glitch.
Can you hear Ray out there in the
Hold on one second. Okay. They don't like
her. We gotcha, Ray. Our fit they can't
hear a personality here with me because the
air. They they
Say that again. What I'm saying about them,
and they're cutting my microphone. So say that
again. I didn't hear them. Yeah. Here we
go. Say what?
What reason? I was just saying
the areas where the the planes disappear and
go in they think
go into another dimension and disappear.
Now I I would suggest that In the
Bermuda Triangle.
Yeah. This might be another topic altogether, but
that that
there are several dimensions, and we do not
see all the dimensions.
So perhaps what the UFOs do is break
through
one of those dimensions that we're not privy
to and that it's going on all the
time. It's like,
my daughter reminded me the other day that
when she was a tiny little thing, I
I swear she was, like, two and a
half. She said,
mommy, this is all just a dream. You
know?
And she's and so,
really, speaking of life just being a dream,
and and Billy is over here saying, uh-huh.
Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Of of parallel universe.
Yeah. So mhmm.
Yep. So is it perhaps is all related
that these these crafts are breaking through
from another dimension, and then they go back
and we don't see them again. And and
there can't be a whole fleet of them
because they well, sometimes they do come in
duplicate numbers. Now you you remember just a
few months ago in New Jersey that they
had this invasion
of UFOs that they couldn't figure out until
they Oh, yeah. It was the it was
the drones. Yeah. People flying their own drones.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's that's another story. How
do we know? You you mentioned you mentioned
the Bermuda Triangle, which I think has become
famous from all these,
documentaries they do on it as,
there's a a show now about lost in
Alaska or some
this is Alaska Triangle. I think that's what
they call it. Oh, wow. It shows shows
the map and the triangle above,
and it claims some incredible amount of people
a year a year ago missing in Alaska.
I used to be a search and rescue
coordinator in in Nome,
covered
the Seward Peninsula and beyond.
And, yeah, there were people we never found,
bodies we never found because it is so
vast. You would not believe you think, oh,
jump up in an airplane a couple 100
feet, and you can see it forever. No.
You can fly right
over so you can not see it.
Well, we have another text, and I believe,
Ray, you'll be interested in this. Well, we
all will be interested in this one. The
texter says,
Neil deGrasse Tyson believes it is highly probable
that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe,
but
he strongly doubts extraterrestrial
extraterrestrials
have visited Earth.
He cites the lack of high resolution video
evidence
in an age of ubiquitous
advanced cameras and argues that
extraordinary claims
require
extraordinary evidence,
which he has not seen. Mhmm. Yeah. So
obvious, and
I think we all really like They're they're
hiding
Tyson. They're hiding from Yeah. I like him
a lot. Yeah. I do too.
So, anyway, he's, I guess, would be a
doubter.
But He what he is is he's a
realist. He looks at the real evidence and
kind of and and with his experience as
an astrophysicist
is, it it gives him a little street
cred.
Yeah. There's no question about that. Yeah. Mhmm.
Yeah. Well, and then there again, if we'll
follow this to another
down another road,
there are those of us who are
are reincarnated over and over and over again,
coming back with more knowledge and more information
and more awareness. Mhmm. And so maybe
some of us,
know more than we're letting on, shall we
say.
Some some some of us are believers and
some of us are not because
those who are definitely not have not lived
enough lifetimes to Yeah. Yeah. See, it always
Those of us who have been reincarnated many
times are more highly evolved, I would say.
Even if we don't remember those lifetimes,
we we take bring those layers into,
like, the lifetime that we're in right now,
hopefully,
to be able
to overcome a lot of the fears and
and So am I doing my job, or
am I somehow slacking?
No. You're doing your job really well, Shirley.
You're you're a highly evolved reincarnated
being, for sure. Yeah.
I I don't think Shirley has to come
back. No. I don't have to either. Yeah.
I don't either. I'm not coming back again
either.
And
Let's just say she's doing her job up
to the limits of her capability.
Oh,
now now now don't Now wait. Why are
you taking that as a negative thing? Her
capability
Because that's that that's judgment
that's judgmental.
Well, I can be judgmental just like anybody
else. Well, you can't deny it. I'm not
gonna tell you all. We have obvious aliens
living among us. We have a couple that
work here at the radio station. They're
they are people who can do anything.
Well I know a person who can write.
She can sing. She can dance. She can,
do everything, and she's beautiful on top of
it. Now nobody comes out that perfect from
God. You have to You have to worry
about it. Yeah. We have several around. I
can name a couple of them that, oh,
that person. An alien. How can they do
all that? How yeah.
This this is this is where Shirley comes
in because, yeah, she does everything.
And,
and
I To the best of her ability. Yeah.
Beyond
her ability,
shall we say.
But, yeah, you've,
you've accomplished
so much in
your mere ninety years on this planet. Oh,
thank you for that.
No. I said and and and Shirley doesn't
even have gray hair. That's what I Yes,
sir. You do a little bit now just
this year, though.
But, no, you you're highly evolved.
Yeah. That means I don't have to come
back again. Is that right? Have to come
back again. And you might but you might
be able to give us information
from the afterlife,
to download some real truths to those of
us who are left when when when we
Lee isn't as forthcoming as we think. He's
from another world. It's critical.
Oh my goodness. Nobody knows.
Well, you know, and we're talking I mean,
it it is it's a fun topic. We're
talking laughing, but, unfortunately,
the UFO
UAP,
subject
is a lot of times lumped into well,
we talk reincarnation.
It's nothing that I don't think has been
proven yet. We'll go to Bigfoot.
We'll go to now this is my opinion
here. But,
Loch Ness, moss, whatever,
ghosts, that kind of thing. There's just no
solid evidence yet as far as I know.
So it gets kinda lumped into that. Because
in Some people call it a woo woo,
subject. You know that By the way, that's
Woo woo. That's not woo woo. There was
a No. There was a television
show. There was an actual television show a
few years ago,
and it dealt with little children
who had proof
of a previous life.
And I saw that. Did you see that?
Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was very
confusing. Perhaps it was all drummed up. Perhaps
it was all phony.
But these these little children were able to
say for example, this little boy
said what his name was and that he
was a pilot. And he was killed. Yes.
And they went and and his parents finally
caved in and said, okay. Okay. Okay. We'll
we'll track it down. And they actually found
the grave
of this man who had been killed,
as a as a pilot, and that little
boy said that that was him. He he
was the one Yeah. That had,
died and been reincarnated.
And they cited several
of these people. Well, do you remember the
the Bridie Murphy story?
Yes. Bridey Murphy? Yes. I do not. Oh,
years ago. Bridey Murphy was an,
an Irish a woman in in this country
whose name was Bridey Murphy, and she claimed
that she was reincarnated.
And she talked about
her family in Ireland, etcetera, etcetera. Well, supposedly,
she went
to the village that she remembered and met
her adult children,
who
remembered her. And so there was all this
big flap to say, you know, she she
was immediately reincarnated
so that when she was coming along,
she had children who were older than her,
obviously, but they were still alive.
And so it was, it was very interesting.
It was a big splash.
But getting getting back to trying to tie
this in somehow,
there are so many things that we don't
understand and we don't know about. And you
can call people crazy. You can call them
evolved. You can call them Neanderthal that they
haven't evolved at all.
But but the universe is probably
filled with things that we don't understand anything
about. And I don't doubt that there are
so called flying saucers or people who Well,
life outside of our Yeah. And and I
don't know why they're here if they don't
make themselves better known. Why do they they
don't come and say, hey. You guys get
your act together.
Maybe they're not supposed to intrude. They're not
supposed to interfere. Yeah. So what's their point?
What why are they here if they can't
interact and say, look, we've learned this, and
so let us pass along some information to
you guys. You know?
I think in my belief system that you're
telling the the truth. I think this is
true, that they are
observing us, and they are here to watch
to make sure that we don't blow ourselves
up again.
And if we do, then they're here to
come back and help us rebuild
from the from the Neanderthal
days,
and which we I think we've done over
and over and over and over again. Does
that help to explain
why
you can dig down so many feet and
discover a whole new town under an old
natural town? That does. You know? Why did
they cover it up in the first place?
Oh, because people knew civilizations. They conquer civilization.
They automatically build their temples on top of
the old civilization. That's what they do
when they conquer a civilization.
I mean, we're conquering human beings. Why why
bury it and then build it? Because they
don't want any record of it because they
conquered that civilization. Ah, okay. That civilization was
sub subhuman subhuman to them. I went to
Germany several years ago, and I didn't see
any of it buried. It was all just
sitting out there. Oh. Some of it still
had bullet holes in it. What? Now
haven't now haven't you ever seen I'm sorry?
What did you see?
Some of the the the buildings had still
had both holes. Yes. But there's no yes.
But we're talking ancient civilizations that have been
Get with the background. Built on top of
each other. All the all of the, Toltec
civilizations
were built on top of by the Mayans
who built on and then those were built
on top of by the Aztecs.
So you can dig down and find all
those old civilizations. Do you get my point?
I mean, let's just just Yeah. To be
logical. So they cover it up somehow
or it gets buried
on top of it. An earthquake sinks it
or somehow it gets buried and then has
to be uncovered. That's the part that I
don't get.
Why why if if somebody conquers let's say
that somebody comes in and wipes out all
the people, the buildings and everything is still
there,
then what happens?
They'll demolish the building and build on top
of the the foundation.
Why?
Because they don't want any trace of that
civilization. It just seems to Do you do
you remember when back in the in the
Iraq war days, do you remember that,
they came in, I don't know, ISIS or
somebody came in and destroyed this They destroyed
all of this
all of this artwork. Precious art. Yeah. All
of that precious destroy destroy the whole the
whole civilization.
Anyway, that's that's another sense. But it's
really partly
geologic things as if things get buried. I
mean, geologic time. Mhmm. You know? Yeah. Over
millennia. Well, like this the,
sphinx being covered with sand. Mhmm.
Yeah. The wind. And then they say, oh,
no. It was really an ocean. That was
what the water that eroded that. So we
what do we know? What do you know?
Well, what do we know? What do we
have? We have another text. Good.
And here it is. Thank you, texter.
Stanford professor doctor Gary Nolan works under contract
from the US government
to investigate
physical effects on military and state department personnel
of close exposure to alien technology.
Nolan
strongly criticized
Neil deGrasse Tyson's approach
to discussing UFOs.
He argued that Tyson's ridicule of the topic
discourages people from coming forward with their experiences.
Nolan emphasized the trauma experienced by witnesses
who face disbelief
and mockery.
And that was another thank you for that.
And that was another part of the documentary,
Age of Disclosure,
about how some of these people that wanted
a lot of this information
out to the
public.
Mhmm. Well, we mustn't we mustn't scare the
children, I think, is what it boils down
to. Don't tell people because it'll freak them
out. Well, but again wait a minute. I
was told all the time I had to
duck and cover.
Couple of times a year, we had a
duck under the
nobody's worried about scaring me. But but but
to his point to his point, I think
people are afraid to become whistleblowers,
because they might be ridiculed.
They might be ridiculed if they tell a
story about an abduction experience that they believe
was real,
and perhaps it was.
So that is a negative effect on that's
that's
trying to subvert
any knowledge coming out. Skeptic society has a
pretty good explanation for people that were abducted
and then returned What? During the night about
oh, there's
a thing they call I don't know. You
you get you're paralyzed and you can't move.
Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. And Sleep apnea?
Kinda like a sleep apnea, I guess. And
it'd be,
it's easy to be subjected to all this
stuff. Mhmm. Well, and back to the previous
Texas point too in the documentary is that
some of these very credible and believable and
high ranking people
were subject to,
being
Ridiculous. Not just mocked and ridiculed, but being
under investigation and told they better keep quiet.
Yeah. Oh, this is true. Yeah. Again,
you'll I I encourage and urge people to
to see it. Well, there are supposedly
people who witnessed the Kennedy
assassination. The FBI came by and said, we'll
kill you if you tell it. Yeah. Well,
they're
And and that's our FBI too. You know?
It has a long history
of of,
trying to subvert information.
I think they could be a little more
subtle than that and say, you tell anybody,
we'll kill you. I mean, that's something that's
something Tony Soprano would have done.
I do. I hope the FBI is at
least as as
Okay. And we also had another text. Oh
my goodness. So here we go. Thank you.
That says the prime directive,
Starfleet General Order, number one, is a fundamental
Star Trek regulation
prohibiting interference
in the natural development of alien civilizations,
particularly pre warp
societies.
Don't quite understand, but it goes on, it
forbid sharing advanced technology,
revealing Starfleet's presence or altering a culture's internal
evolution,
aiming to protect societal
autonomy and avoid contamination.
Now that sounds like my friend Danny. Is
that who texted them? Know. That,
that's pretty deep. Yeah. Thank you. That sounds
like Danny. Well, that's that's directly from Star
Trek The Next Generation, which I used to
watch all the time. And and
that that makes a lot of sense too.
They're forbidden.
It's a part of the directive. They're forbidden
to
from interfering
Yeah. With,
a lower technology. Who's who has received
this?
I don't know. I said it sounded like
Danny. I don't know. Did it did it
say who texted it? Who your good number.
Who's been forbid forbidden to do this? We
have. By who? By the the the more
advanced beings who are coming into a different
come around and told people that? Or or,
I know. You had to go read their
directive.
You had to read? You had to read
the manual.
Oh, who gets the manual? They do.
I haven't even read the manual for my
car. I'm not gonna I can't yeah. I'm
I'm with you. And along with what I
said earlier about some of these, you know,
incredible people, if you will,
just and being told to shut up, they
were also victims of the
government and military, I suppose Yeah. Smear campaigns
against them. Oh. Yes. And they Because of
they were afraid of what they were they
might say or what they might tell. So
you're saying they were subjected to fake news?
Well, we all Aren't we all?
The enemy of the people is
Mhmm.
Yeah. The media.
You know,
this
and and isn't it isn't it
a sad commentary
on
us that that we are susceptible
to
so much fake news now that we kind
of some of us, some not I. Some
people tune out entirely because they say, I
don't know what to believe,
so I'm not gonna believe anything. Well, that's
the plan. And that is the part of
the plan. That's the part of the plan.
Yeah. Yeah. Keep everybody confused. Yeah. Yeah. And
that's the 1984
directive if you read 1984.
We are living
in 1984.
And we're well beyond 1984.
Yeah.
Man. Things things slowed down during COVID. So
Yeah.
But, also, things recycle.
The these these,
these threats
and,
admissions
and people coming out, there have been an
awful lot of people who have come out,
oh, since '19 the forties,
who have come out and and documented
their experiences. Whether or not they were threatened,
they
have gone ahead and come out. There was
an awful lot of people went to Jonesville
and things like that too. So you can't
go by the all amount of people. That's
what I meant about, you know, people not
believing anything. So they they choose not to
Well, I think that's one of the dangers
is that that somebody who is very charismatic
and has a
decision like those people that said, well, we're
all gonna go and and live on another
planet at this particular date, so we'll take
the poison and die. And then we'll You
know? I mean, it's it's put it on
our star shoots. Oh, I Yeah. It's not
I think there's an another coming up, end
of the Earth thing. Isn't there?
Probably. I think it might be this month.
Probably. Hell, go down. Now now you're gonna
tell us when it is and No. Just
infect the entire population with your your prediction?
I I no. I wish I wish it
were true, and I wish I knew it
were true.
So I could stop doing all the damn
work I'm doing. I could just
sometimes I get up in the morning and
I can't get off the couch watching television.
Just relax. Because we're 81. Gonna be okay.
As soon as we get to be our
age, we're we're all stuck on the couch.
Yeah. Okay.
Our age.
Yeah, the trouble is I went from the
couch to the computer, and now I'm addicted
to YouTube.
Oh, it's not that bad. That could be
so bad. Yeah. We have to be careful.
Yeah, I do the same thing.
There's some there's some wonderful YouTubers on now,
though. Now, I'm getting off the topic. I
don't know.
I don't know anything about this subject. I
just have a belief system
that the the people who are come people
or aliens who are coming to visit us
are observing us because they are trying to
prevent us from blowing ourselves up against Why
do they care? But Because they are us.
We are them.
But if Oh, I'll get you now. Future.
It all makes sense to me. It's just
Is it
clear as
a clear as a bell? But but, Billy,
if if that's if that's
true, then they're not interacting
with very many of us at all. If
they're if that's their mission to them. They're
they're
they're putting it right into your brain. They
don't have to come in and talk to
them. Write a song about it or anything.
See, I don't know why certain people are
visited and certain people aren't. My friend, Danny,
has been visited many times, and I have
never been. So
I don't know the difference. How Oh, you?
I You really don't know.
No. You don't know. I think that's a
lot of what's going on. We don't know.
Yeah. We don't know. Mhmm.
Well, I think there are people who are
more in tune. For example,
people who are,
able to predict or people who who can,
say, sit behind a wall and and
see what's on the other side of the
wall. Like, you know, they're they're somehow
telepathically
able to communicate. Mhmm. All all of that
is part of being human,
I think,
but to certain degrees.
And maybe we block out a lot of
things. Maybe we don't wanna learn certain things
because they scare us or,
you know, there there's a lot that goes
on in society that says don't go there.
Don't think this way. Don't act this way.
Don't do this. Don't do that.
And conform conform to certain
rules and and regulations. So it's Part of
that is built into our society. So it's
sort of a self
self,
shield that we put on. And if we
open ourselves up, then and we feel like
we want to receive more, maybe we will.
I don't know. Well, I've had some
very strong psychic experiences that were extremely Oh,
I have to. Absolutely real to me. And
if I say that to some people, they'll
go, well, you know, the brain does funny
things.
And, you know, those people who claim that
they die and on the operating table and
then they come back, well, the brain just
does funny things. You know? That's the brain.
That didn't really happen yet. So I think
I think the experiences that we've had, I've
had some too. Mine usually come in dreams,
and then they're prescient dreams and they come
true when I wake up. But I I
think those sorts of things,
because you're you're an open minded person,
you are more receptive to
receiving.
Which, again,
says begs the question, are we the only
dimension that we're aware of? Yeah. Is there
something else going on? You know, if there
is now here's a whole other subject. But
if there if there is a soul
that Mhmm. Lives on after the body is
is
died, so to speak
Energy died. Yeah.
Yeah. Does does that energy, whatever that is,
to then take up another form? Does it
go off of a Mhmm. Kazillion years in
Into the future. Yeah. And and come back
and go, hello there. Or just through me,
but I'm here. Or just into another dimension
or another parallel universe. Yeah. So that yeah.
Yeah. That's a hope. Good questions. I think
that's all sort of related to the unknowns.
The unknowns
are
incorporated into this subject of, is there such
a thing as a UFO? Yes. There is.
It's unidentified. We don't know what it is.
That's the whole point. Well, you pay pee
now. Unidentified. I think they're both the They're
they're the same, but they've renamed it
to unidentified
phenomena.
Aerial phenomenon. Yeah.
So let's go back to that. So
hypothetically
well, not even hypothetically.
This is what I do believe,
especially after watching that documentary.
I I do believe that there could certainly
be a government military cover up
that that they wanna keep the general public
unaware
of some of this stuff. Now whether it's
for
their own protection
or
I don't know about not wanting to scare
the public. I think the public generally would
want to know, hey.
We did find this, and this is real
or true.
And they swore not to tell anybody. And
it was a pinky swear, so they can't
Well, if you
if it's a pinky swear, then that's that's
it. They will never tell. Well, I I
like bringing it back around to that documentary
because that's one I think everybody should should
probably watch if they're interested in the topic.
Yeah. I I had
we had hoped we were all gonna try
to watch it together. It just didn't come.
It didn't happen. But that's okay. That's okay.
But I think that to your point about
not wanting people to know or or there
there are people who will take an idea
like that and run with it off into
all kinds of crazy
directions.
Yeah. Think? And get yeah. Right.
And and get terribly frightened or or who
knows what. But
if it's some if it's something that is,
pardon the expression, natural,
normal
Mhmm. Another kind of energy, another way of
identifying
energy.
Another source. And yeah. Another aware of. Yeah.
So
it's frightening simply because we don't understand it.
It makes us afraid because we don't know
what it's gonna do. Some people. And and
so it's, you know, it's it's
But isn't that rather paternalistic
to think that Absolutely. We, you little you
little person, you can't understand it. So you're
not highly evolved. You're not educated enough to
understand this. So we can't tell. That's a
very misogynistic
way looking at that. Children. Really? Scard the
children. Yeah. If Trump knew about it, he
would tell us,
wait a minute. He would blame blame it
on Obama and Biden. Oh, there you go.
Open borders let those
beings
in. But he's gonna get ice after them
right after the the rapists and the murderers.
Oh, my word. Yes. Well, we weren't gonna
get on to that topic, Ray.
But but it all does boil down to
whether or not we are open to
thinking that there's something beyond
us. Mhmm. Something beyond
now I
I could briefly get into the idea of
why we wanna go to Mars, why we
wanna go to the moon, why we wanna
go anywhere, why do we wanna explore the
universe. Well, we're not all going. It's just
the few people that can get on that
that,
craft and escape before the rest of us
are blown up. They don't want all of
us. Oh,
well, they don't want the ones who think
it'll be fun to live on Mars. They
have a very Yeah. And I think that
as far as space exploration, I mean, that's
just to acquire. I think that's
inherited in if not that's not the right
word, in us all. Inherent.
Inherent. Thank you. I'm sure you would correct
me.
But to keep exploring, we might find
things that are gonna help whole humanity out
of doing this exploration.
Well, if we discover that there has been
life on Mars,
so what? I mean, yes. So what? Because
we're not going to be able
to create a craft that will just take
all of us there, and we can establish
a new civilization on Mars. We will. That's
not gonna happen.
No. But Who would want to live on
that? Well, there are people who would want
to. I guess so. Yeah. I guess so.
Yeah. And and I think because we don't
know, that is the big question of mankind.
We want to find out, what don't we
know?
Let's let's go a little bit farther. Let's
push the envelope. Let's find out what what
lies beyond what we think we know. Yeah.
Let's build what we know. Let's build an
airplane. But Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. We'll just we'll
just keep pushing it. All this is neat,
but it's all whiteies on the moon. If
you're familiar with that. Yeah. Well It's all
whiteies on the moon. On the moon. We've
spent
billions of dollars to go to the moon.
For what reason, I don't know.
And because you could and the and the
guy telling the poem says, a rat's a
rat done bit my sister now, and he
can't afford the doctor bills. His rent's going
up and all, but Whitey's on the moon.
Yeah. Yeah. There's no Well, more to the
bone than that. Multiculturalism
on Mars. I'll tell you that right now.
Oh, well. Yeah. But, see, Ray, you're going
off in another direction. Well, I watched I
watched
a a two part documentary
recently about
Mars and that helicopter and everything. Uh-huh.
Why would anybody wanna go there for any
reason whatsoever?
Well,
we won't know yet or we don't know,
but, we'll talk about it some other time
because we're almost out of time. We got
about 30 left. We do. Billy and Shirley
like you. Joining us on this. A fun
topic. Fun topic. It was a fun topic.
Well, you know what? It was a lot
more fun than I thought it would be
because you brought some information. And, of course,
I can count on Billy because she's always
got wonderful information from the park. Alright. Yeah.
Right, man? So You didn't break it. Somebody
gets a visit, let us know. Okay. Y'all
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