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Okay. Well, hello again, KCIW

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listeners, and welcome to Curry Cafe.

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I'm volunteer Rick McNamer.

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Every Sunday from three to four, your host,

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Ray Gary, and I put together a panel

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of guests to discuss various topics of interest

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that impact our wonderful community.

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Now listeners can participate by texting questions or

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Again, that number is (541)

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A little I wanna shout out today that

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we just found out our topic today is

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whales. We're gonna talk all whales, which is

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just great and wonderful.

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And, our engineer, mister Michael, pointed out to

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me earlier today is World Whale Day.

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That came from the Scripps Institute, I believe,

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in San Diego. Didn't even know it, and

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I'm a whale fan.

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And one more quick thing. I'm gonna usurp

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my host and friend, Ray, to for the

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introductions. I just I'm gonna introduce,

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our guest today.

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Her name is Joanne Van Horn, and I

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met her, while I was whale watching, which

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is one of my favorite things to do.

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Hey. And, Joanne, you're you're here to give

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us all the info on the whales.

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So go ahead and give us your little

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Okay. Background situation. And Okay. Well, I consider

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a citizen scientist about whales. I'm sort of

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a a geek about them.

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I'm originally from Colorado, so I grew up

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without an ocean.

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And I spent enough time in places like

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Hawaii when I was younger that I

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liked the ocean, but I could never quite

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get it together to to live there. And

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so five years ago, I moved out to

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Eugene from Colorado and then I lived in

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Eugene for a while to see where I

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might end up on the coast. And I

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ended up coming here mostly because I was

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my name came up on a housing list.

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So that's what brought me to Brookings which

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was it's not a bad deal. I can't

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complain about it. But,

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since I've been here, I've been involved with

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the State Parks Whale Watch Program, which is

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a really

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big effort,

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and it's actually been part of their programme

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for forty years.

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And so what the state parks does,

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have people who volunteer

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learn about whales and,

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go through this process to do that. And

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then what what we do as volunteers is

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get out at the parks during certain times

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of the year and help people,

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learn how to watch whales and use binoculars

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and things that they don't know how to

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do. Right. And there are some finer points

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out there, aren't there? Aren't aren't There are.

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Yeah. If you don't know what to look

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for when you're trying to watch for whales,

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you're probably gonna miss it. Yeah. And it

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takes it really takes practice. And it's

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I always say it's like watching water

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boil

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where you're just sort of kinda it's really

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boring and then it's not,

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and then it's fun. But Yes. In between

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the the, you know, watching and seeing,

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it's just these long stretches of nothing.

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So, yeah. But but in those long stretches

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of nothing,

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where we live, it's so beautiful. No. Really.

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I I I think it was last year,

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one of those days where

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we didn't happen to see any whales for

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quite some time or none appeared,

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we there was a couple of bald eagles

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flying around. Right. And, boy, everybody all the

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binoculars went to the bald eagles and checking

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those out. So. Right. No, it's well, what

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we do here in Brookings, we use Harris

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beautiful park. It is. Can't complain about that.

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So, yeah, it's,

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I grew up always being outside

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and I've always learned that, I mean, I

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have to be outside as much as I

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can. So for me to stand there with

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not doing anything,

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I'm not going to complain

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as long as it's not rainy or snowing.

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But it's a fun thing to do and

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it's a great

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opportunity to learn.

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Yesterday was the

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official yearly,

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State Parks Whale Watch training.

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Yeah. Yeah. Tell us Yeah. You tell us

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about some of that. You've got a lot

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of how and how long did that last

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that you had to Well, it was a,

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it was an in person thing at the,

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Newport. But Oh, okay.

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what's the school? I forget.

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Oh, oh, oh, okay. And so they have

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this facility where they do the training and

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it was an in person training with about

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eight different,

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experts.

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So you could go and do that,

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and it's kind of a long drive, so

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I didn't do that. So I stayed home

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and watched it on Zoom and it was

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about Yeah, thank heavens for Zoom sometimes. What

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can I say? Yeah, but no, it started

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at nine and it ended at four.

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So it was a bit,

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but it was great. There were some

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updates of stuff that I hadn't heard before.

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So it was really worth it and

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I learned a lot. And,

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one of the hardest things

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that you learn about

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whale watching and whales in general and ocean

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marine mammals and stuff is

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it's actually really depressing,

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because of the condition of the ocean

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and the stuff that's going on that we

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don't really

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understand and can't do much about as people.

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Well, a lot of that comes in climate

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change and Yeah. So there was talk, a

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lot of climate change talk yesterday that was

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really It's disheartening, but we have to hold

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out some positivity that we can tackle this

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thing. I think we can. Yeah. I mean,

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the whales are basically okay. There's,

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a bit of concern about we have some

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really skinny whales, which seems like a really

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odd way to put it, but they're starving

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because of the condition of the oceans.

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And not all of them.

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There's one of the researchers who's been here

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forever,

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Carrie Newell,

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she has her own whale watching service in

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Depot Bay. And she also has her own

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little museum of all the stuff that she's

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are actually really fat and healthy

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and that for some reason, the food here

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primo and they do okay here. So Yes.

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we've had,

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as you know, we were Bill

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Gorham's wonderful talk just a few days ago.

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He's a marine biologist more with the tide

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pools and stuff. But we had talked about

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this little section of ocean along the Oregon

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Coast and California coast. Right. It's kind of

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a special little place.

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It is. With,

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food is usually plentiful with and with the

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different conditions that we have. Mhmm. Well, there's

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actually,

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people don't really know, but there's

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a group of whale deer that stay here

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almost all year round. A 100 whales. Yeah.

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They're called there's a name. They're called the

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Pacific Coast Feeding Group.

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Oh. That's an official name. And there's like

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two

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twelve of them right now.

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Oh, my. That's a good count of them.

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whales. I've never figured that out. But they

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And so so they and it's interesting. Whales

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have names and researchers recognize each single whale

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and they can point each whale out and

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they can tell you which one it is

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and Yeah. The history of that whale and

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how many calves they had and all this

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stuff. So it's amazing. I'm glad there's enough

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smart people and,

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brave people to go out and do that

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because that's that's a lot of work. It's

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a lot of work and they're

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absolutely passionate about it. Oh, man. And it's

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just great. And we've talked, both you and

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Yeah. No, I think it would be really

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fun to do that. I mean, the one

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lady that talked yesterday, Carrie,

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she's done this since she was Well, she

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wanted to do it since she was seven.

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And she got to do it. And she

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went to school and did all this stuff

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and went through all this stuff and had

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kids and all grandkids now doing it. And

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she can't shut up. I mean, she's don't

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it's like don't get her started. That's

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that's a that's a good thing, I think

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we've got the person here to talk to

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us about it, then you can text in

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And I'm again, I'm glad you mentioned that

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the the there are some here all year

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round because I've seen them here all year

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round, but not like I've seen them when

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the migration's going on. My best day ever

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here in the seven over seven years that

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just north of Harris Beach is, Cape Farello.

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I think that's a great place. Place. Yeah.

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It's small. Not a lot of people. Mhmm.

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Well, not a lot of people can park

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there. But one day,

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I me and a friend of mine, we

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were out there. I think we ended up

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stop counting at about it was over a

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100 that we saw. Now appearances, I know

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there wasn't a 100 whales out there. Spouts.

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What a day. Yeah. What a day that

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It's fun. It's so exciting. Tail flips.

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We didn't see any breaching that day. Yeah.

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see a breach one time at at Harris

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Beach. Really? Right at the lower parking lot.

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Wow. Yeah. Wow. And that was pretty exciting.

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That would be. No. They typically they

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what I learned yesterday, they typically don't breach.

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But when they breach, they do multiple breaches.

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So it's not like just one backflip, they

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do five Yes. In a row. So, that

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would be really exciting. Yeah. Yeah. Exciting. And

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Cape Ferrero, that's an excellent place. It's really

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It's a special little place. It is. No,

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I've seen them and they come up. It

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must be something. There must be a basin

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there where they can come in. And there's

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stuff right there that they can come really

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close. My first couple years here, they had

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the the volunteers were there at Cape Fear.

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Really? And now I've never there's also a

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couple of hiking trails, a little too brutal

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for me, but there's one that hikes out

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to the point. Right. And the guy was

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saying if you can get out there a

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lot of time where that it's,

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it's situated so where you could actually look

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down, the whales come that close to shore.

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Uh-huh. Because it kind of drops off. Yeah,

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I know exactly too. Yeah, it's a special

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place. It's a special place and it's what

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I found, excuse me, there's a once you've

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had an up close experience with a whale,

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then you just can't stop

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And it's just in your blood and it's,

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I don't know, I honestly think it's some

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kind of

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a divine intervention that they just sort of

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sprinkle fairy dust on you and you can't

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stop because I got spy hopped by a

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whale up close.

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And where was that at? Spy hopped up

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at Oprah Wayside, which was the strangest place

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to expect that to happen. And where is

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that Oregon? It is. It's up just North

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of Gold Beach by nine miles. Oh, wow.

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It's up,

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it's sort of right before you head up

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the hill towards

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Port Orford. Okay. But it's a bit that

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is Necica Beach

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and Port and that little wayside is a

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there's a restroom there.

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Oh, I know. I know. Pretty big parking

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lot with the light flashing light. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was there

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and I had basically just moved here and

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I was

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having one of those days where you just

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gotta get out and Yeah. Make a place

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different. So I went

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went on the beach and I didn't have

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my camera. I didn't have my nothing. I

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didn't have my binoculars. I didn't have nothing.

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And I was walking along

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and I,

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it was a beautiful day, I remember, and

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I looked kind of to the left and

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all of a sudden I thought, wait, there's

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there's not a building there. Wait, there's what

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is that? And I turned and it was

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a whale who'd stuck its head up. Oh

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my. And that's

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really exciting because they're like a building. Yeah.

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Like 25 feet of a whale. It's pretty

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huge. And so it did it several times

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to me and

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I just I think I probably stood there

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and cried,

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you know?

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And then I just that was like the

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fairy dust. And I was like, I can't.

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I always have to look now. I always

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need to see there.

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Me growing up in the Sacramento Valley, we

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take occasional trips to the ocean, but I

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had never seen a whale. And

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the first time I did was visiting friends

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up here in Crescent City

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going down,

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oh, Pebble Beach Drive, which skirts the ocean

345
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down there. Are you familiar with that? Right.

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A lot of little pullouts.

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And, god, this is many years ago, but

348
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that was the first time I had ever

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seen a whale.

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And ever since then, it's just something about,

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like you said, divine whatever you wanna call

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it. Yeah. Whenever I see a spout, that's

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one of the biggest things. Mhmm. I have

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to stop. I have to look. Oh, my

355
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gosh. I have

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to stay there forever if I could. Yeah.

357
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No worries. And I mean, I think it's

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it's reflected in the the one of the,

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statistics we got in this training yesterday. Over

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the past forty years, there have been 1,250,000

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visitors tracked through the program,

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and that's basically the volunteers have a clicker

363
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and they Yeah, right, right. I have But

364
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1,250,000,

365
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that's a lot of people. Well, so a

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lot more people are excited just like we

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are. Yeah. Well, I think you I mean,

368
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how could you not be once you've seen

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that? Well, you're right. How could you not

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be? We've talked a little bit about this.

371
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What blows my mind, hey, everybody's got different

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things that they like or don't like. But

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I have been sitting a few times at

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Harris or Cape Farello

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or even,

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down below Crissy Field. And I would see

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a whale and then I'd see people walking

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around. Oh my gosh. Hey. There there's whales

379
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out there. Now some people were just as

380
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excited, but some people were just kind of,

381
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oh really? Okay, well

382
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let's go hike somewhere else. And to me,

383
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I can't believe it. Yeah. But that's just

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because we have that that inner feeling for

385
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those creatures. Well, yeah, I think you're right.

386
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I think it's just,

387
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just like people like to crochet and I

388
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don't. I mean, it's just something

389
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that you like. But it's fun and when

390
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I've learned a lot,

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of this stuff like I learned yesterday, some

392
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of the new things that I didn't know

393
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about,

394
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like the one thing I learned that was

395
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really, I had no idea.

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When a whale spouts, depending on what kind

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of whale and how tall the spout is,

398
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that, let's see what the number is.

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One of the whales, a gray whale that

400
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was in captivity

401
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after he was rescued,

402
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it's been like twenty five years ago, they

403
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were able to measure

404
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the miles per hour of the air coming

405
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out of his lungs when he hit the

406
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low. And that whale, it was clocked at

407
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80 miles per hour, which is really fast,

408
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really fast. Yes. And then,

409
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typically though,

410
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the thing yesterday, their blows are about forty

411
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five seconds long.

412
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And

413
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the typical

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speed, mile per hour speed of a blow

415
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is 200 miles an hour. So that's why

416
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when you see it blow up, when it

417
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shoots up in the air, that's a really,

418
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that's a huge amount of air. Like, that's

419
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a refrigerator

420
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size amount of air.

421
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And it's just blown out of their lungs

422
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just at at 200 miles an hour, which

423
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is pretty incredible. Yeah. Yes. And how did

424
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they come up with that number? I don't

425
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know. Well, like, they're smart people to do

426
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that.

427
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Yeah. But that's, you know, when you think

428
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about the size of that creature, that's just

429
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Yeah. For me, it's hard to wrap your

430
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head around. It is. And maybe

431
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that's why I like to watch them, is

432
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so I can

433
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figure it out. So

434
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and I always think

435
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not only are they out there when we

436
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see them, they're out there 20 fourseven. All

437
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the time. What is it? What do they

438
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do? What do they do? I don't know

439
00:16:03,659 --> 00:16:05,740
if they've surveyed that or not. Probably kind

440
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of have to do. I'm sure they have.

441
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In fact,

442
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some whales sleep,

443
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with their tails down in the water. They

444
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stick their head. Sperm whale, I think, does

445
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that. Yeah. Is that what I'm there was

446
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a

447
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a special I saw one time. What an

448
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odd, almost scary looking thing, but they had

449
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the pictures of these sperm whales sleeping,

450
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straight up and down. Oh, vertical. Yeah. Vertical.

451
00:16:26,139 --> 00:16:28,460
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. You know,

452
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you'd wanna see that. I I think it'd

453
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be fun. I've never been out on a

454
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boat,

455
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and the people that I've talked to that

456
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have been out on boats and got to

457
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pet the whales and have them come up

458
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close and stick their heads up in the

459
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boat. I've never had them that close, but

460
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I have been out whale watching twice. Uh-huh.

461
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And that was out of,

462
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near Monterey, a little place called Moss Landing,

463
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which is just North of Monterey.

464
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And what got me to go out there

465
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god, this must have been fifteen years or

466
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so

467
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more ago.

468
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There was an article in the San Francisco

469
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Chronicle. There was an outdoors writer. His name

470
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was Tom Steenstra. I love the guy.

471
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I don't think he's around anymore, but he

472
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was a he was a big outdoorsman. He

473
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would kayak out of this moss landing out

474
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into the ocean Mhmm. While the whales are

475
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out there, something I wouldn't do.

476
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But,

477
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just talking about it and Monterey is another

478
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place

479
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that is just big

480
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big time for wildlife.

481
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Uh-huh. Right. It's a special place for that

482
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canyon and Right. That kind of stuff. But,

483
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boy, I was reading that, and he was

484
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talking about all the whale watching boats. And

485
00:17:39,015 --> 00:17:39,994
I thought, you know,

486
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I wanna do it. But my first excursion

487
00:17:42,609 --> 00:17:45,009
out on the ocean years before was a

488
00:17:45,009 --> 00:17:48,230
fishing trip that I got deathly seasick.

489
00:17:48,529 --> 00:17:50,130
Right. And I thought, I'll never do this

490
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again.

491
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But reading that article

492
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and hearing how

493
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close they got and and the different types

494
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of not so much different types, but a

495
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whale how many how

496
00:18:01,255 --> 00:18:03,174
big the activity was, I had to do

497
00:18:03,174 --> 00:18:05,255
it. Mhmm. So I found a place down

498
00:18:05,255 --> 00:18:07,815
there. It was called Sanctuary Cruises. I'm pretty

499
00:18:07,815 --> 00:18:09,194
sure they're still out there.

500
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Called them to book a trip, but I

501
00:18:11,259 --> 00:18:13,900
said, can you help me with seasick? They

502
00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:15,759
gave me a lot of advice.

503
00:18:16,299 --> 00:18:17,920
Number one, just to eat

504
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crackers

505
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and drink ginger ale. Ginger ale. Right.

506
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That's what I did it that morning. Didn't

507
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anything else. And then when I got there,

508
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they had these

509
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plastic bracelets that

510
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pulsated.

511
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Now whether it worked or not, and and

512
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they were everybody on the trip, they said,

513
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if you want them, they're they're $12.

514
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But if you want them, get them now.

515
00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:43,200
Once you're out there and you get sick,

516
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,440
they're not gonna work. Yeah. Well, I purchased

517
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it. I said I want everything. Mhmm. And,

518
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,160
I did not get sick. I did it

519
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twice.

520
00:18:51,215 --> 00:18:52,974
And the rough the sea was a little

521
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rough one time. Mhmm. So, boy, that was

522
00:18:56,414 --> 00:18:57,234
a a fantastic

523
00:18:57,535 --> 00:19:00,015
experience. Oh, I bet. Saw not only some

524
00:19:00,015 --> 00:19:00,455
breaches

525
00:19:00,894 --> 00:19:04,035
Uh-huh. But, saw and we were within probably,

526
00:19:04,769 --> 00:19:07,570
I don't know, 200, 300 feet. They would

527
00:19:07,570 --> 00:19:08,470
catch the

528
00:19:08,849 --> 00:19:11,170
maybe they were herring. The the operator would

529
00:19:11,170 --> 00:19:13,089
say, okay. Look out here because you could

530
00:19:13,089 --> 00:19:13,910
see the fish

531
00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:17,174
gathering while they were herding the fish. And

532
00:19:17,174 --> 00:19:18,775
then all of a sudden four or five

533
00:19:18,775 --> 00:19:20,775
whales come up at one time to feed.

534
00:19:20,775 --> 00:19:23,975
Oh, so they're Magnificent stuff. Probably humpbacks. Yeah.

535
00:19:23,975 --> 00:19:26,215
Yeah. Yeah. Just stuff that I'll remember. Yeah.

536
00:19:26,215 --> 00:19:28,855
Oh, no. Yeah. Humpback whales are so fun

537
00:19:28,855 --> 00:19:29,400
to watch

538
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,580
because they're so they're acrobats.

539
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,160
Yeah. And they group. Grey whales that we

540
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,240
see here in the migration that we watch

541
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:37,740
anyway,

542
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,119
they don't seem to group as much. They're

543
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,315
not social, but humpbacks are social. Oh, okay.

544
00:19:43,315 --> 00:19:45,875
There's a difference then. Yeah. There's like four

545
00:19:45,875 --> 00:19:49,335
or five and they hunt, they fish together.

546
00:19:49,394 --> 00:19:49,875
Yeah.

547
00:19:50,195 --> 00:19:51,955
And you know, I don't know that they,

548
00:19:51,955 --> 00:19:54,134
I don't know, I didn't think they ate

549
00:19:54,355 --> 00:19:56,380
fish but they might. I suppose they eat

550
00:19:56,380 --> 00:19:58,940
anything. Yeah. Whatever. Whatever. It could've been Yeah.

551
00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:01,820
For I again, don't remember. But another thing

552
00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:04,299
was that they they were bubbling. You the

553
00:20:04,299 --> 00:20:06,859
guy would catch the bubbles. They would shoot

554
00:20:06,859 --> 00:20:08,700
up a bubble. Uh-huh. It's a bubble bath.

555
00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:11,974
In there. It was amazing, man. Yeah. Yeah.

556
00:20:12,035 --> 00:20:14,275
It's amazing they can get coordinated enough to

557
00:20:14,275 --> 00:20:16,275
do that. They all get together and Right.

558
00:20:16,355 --> 00:20:18,454
Create this bubble net and then Yeah.

559
00:20:18,914 --> 00:20:20,755
Some get to go rush up through it

560
00:20:20,755 --> 00:20:23,075
to their mouth open. Yeah. They're you know,

561
00:20:23,075 --> 00:20:24,029
they really have,

562
00:20:25,230 --> 00:20:27,710
when you really when you watch and learn

563
00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:30,670
about them, they're really intelligent creatures, and they

564
00:20:30,670 --> 00:20:31,890
really have a sense

565
00:20:32,349 --> 00:20:35,309
of awareness that makes them what do they

566
00:20:35,470 --> 00:20:37,150
there's a term for it. What is it?

567
00:20:37,150 --> 00:20:38,990
I think that type of knowledge in recent

568
00:20:38,990 --> 00:20:41,565
years has gotten them a lot of,

569
00:20:42,904 --> 00:20:45,065
sympathy or empathy. I know a few years

570
00:20:45,065 --> 00:20:46,125
ago in this area,

571
00:20:46,825 --> 00:20:49,784
they indigenous people wanted to go out and

572
00:20:49,784 --> 00:20:51,244
hunt them again. Right.

573
00:20:51,625 --> 00:20:53,065
And how did that wind up? Do you

574
00:20:53,065 --> 00:20:53,549
know?

575
00:20:54,029 --> 00:20:56,110
They got to do it and the way

576
00:20:56,110 --> 00:20:57,410
it was done was horrible.

577
00:20:57,869 --> 00:20:59,009
And it was mostly

578
00:20:59,710 --> 00:21:02,190
because they had their rights taken away from

579
00:21:02,190 --> 00:21:04,350
them a long time ago. Yes. We have

580
00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:06,110
to remember that. And so, at some point,

581
00:21:06,110 --> 00:21:07,869
the rights were given back to them. But

582
00:21:07,869 --> 00:21:10,765
they were the elders were really hesitant

583
00:21:11,384 --> 00:21:13,565
and they didn't think they really needed to

584
00:21:13,865 --> 00:21:15,545
because of the way things are in the

585
00:21:15,545 --> 00:21:16,525
world right now.

586
00:21:16,984 --> 00:21:17,964
But the younger,

587
00:21:18,664 --> 00:21:20,984
kids, the 30 year olds, were like, No,

588
00:21:20,984 --> 00:21:23,144
we're gonna go get whales. It's not right,

589
00:21:23,144 --> 00:21:24,444
we're gonna go do it.

590
00:21:24,929 --> 00:21:25,429
So

591
00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:28,309
they got it all set up to,

592
00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:31,649
whatever their method is. They knew what was

593
00:21:31,649 --> 00:21:33,730
coming and they saw what it was. And

594
00:21:33,730 --> 00:21:34,789
what they did,

595
00:21:35,649 --> 00:21:37,730
from what I think I watched a video

596
00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:39,944
one time and couldn't sit through it, but

597
00:21:40,105 --> 00:21:41,144
they went out with,

598
00:21:44,184 --> 00:21:46,345
loaded harpoons. They didn't just go out and

599
00:21:46,345 --> 00:21:48,264
do the old fashioned wings. They went out

600
00:21:48,264 --> 00:21:49,164
with, like, guns

601
00:21:49,544 --> 00:21:52,184
and killed this whale that had actually come

602
00:21:52,184 --> 00:21:54,470
up to their boat as a friendly

603
00:21:55,329 --> 00:21:57,269
whale. And it was one of those

604
00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,809
heart wrenching things. That would be bad PR.

605
00:21:59,809 --> 00:22:00,950
How could you do that?

606
00:22:01,250 --> 00:22:02,789
But they did it. And then,

607
00:22:03,329 --> 00:22:03,829
apparently,

608
00:22:04,289 --> 00:22:06,494
the story of the after, they had a

609
00:22:06,494 --> 00:22:08,894
party to celebrate. They didn't even do anything

610
00:22:08,894 --> 00:22:10,894
with the whale. They just killed it. Oh,

611
00:22:10,894 --> 00:22:13,695
no. No. And then the grandmothers came along

612
00:22:13,695 --> 00:22:14,515
from the tribe

613
00:22:14,894 --> 00:22:17,375
and went through and did what needed to

614
00:22:17,375 --> 00:22:18,595
be done to the whale

615
00:22:18,894 --> 00:22:21,875
and the kids went back and got drunk

616
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:24,630
and passed out and all the stuff. It

617
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:25,450
wasn't exactly

618
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:29,349
a revival of additional value. It was just

619
00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:30,089
one of those,

620
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:33,750
Taking advantage. Well, not taking advantage, but it's

621
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:35,589
like, It's alright to do this. We get

622
00:22:35,589 --> 00:22:37,445
to do it. And so you I can

623
00:22:37,445 --> 00:22:40,085
sympathize, but it's like, not that way. You

624
00:22:40,085 --> 00:22:42,484
know, in Alaska, they never stopped hunting whales.

625
00:22:42,484 --> 00:22:43,705
The the Marine Mammal

626
00:22:44,085 --> 00:22:45,225
Act excluded

627
00:22:45,605 --> 00:22:48,825
indigenous people Mhmm. From hunting marine mammals.

628
00:22:49,205 --> 00:22:49,705
And

629
00:22:50,609 --> 00:22:52,849
I've never been a fan of whale hunting

630
00:22:52,849 --> 00:22:53,349
or

631
00:22:54,529 --> 00:22:56,130
hunting at all for that matter. Well, I

632
00:22:56,130 --> 00:22:57,190
used to hunt, but,

633
00:22:58,609 --> 00:23:00,210
and I used to think, well, jeez, I

634
00:23:00,210 --> 00:23:02,309
don't need to kill whales because I felt

635
00:23:02,674 --> 00:23:04,595
an affinity towards them like everybody does. But

636
00:23:04,595 --> 00:23:06,615
then I started going to places like

637
00:23:07,154 --> 00:23:09,894
Saint Lawrence Island and getting to know people,

638
00:23:09,954 --> 00:23:10,454
and

639
00:23:11,234 --> 00:23:13,414
that's a big deal there. It's not just,

640
00:23:15,075 --> 00:23:16,994
if you're on the whaling crew, as an

641
00:23:16,994 --> 00:23:19,190
example, I I I was a state trooper

642
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:20,490
and I'd go out there and

643
00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:22,950
land the plane and find somebody and ask

644
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:24,230
how I could get a hold of so

645
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:24,890
and so.

646
00:23:25,269 --> 00:23:27,049
And Mhmm. Somebody say,

647
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:30,309
oh, yeah. He's my cousin and he's on

648
00:23:30,309 --> 00:23:32,534
the whaling crew. Like, it was a really

649
00:23:32,534 --> 00:23:34,954
big deal for his cousin to be on

650
00:23:35,015 --> 00:23:36,934
the whaling crew, and they definitely did bring

651
00:23:36,934 --> 00:23:39,255
the whole animal in and Mhmm. Yeah. All

652
00:23:39,255 --> 00:23:40,934
the things you do with it. Well, to

653
00:23:40,934 --> 00:23:42,554
me, if that's if it's done

654
00:23:42,855 --> 00:23:43,355
with,

655
00:23:44,454 --> 00:23:45,914
sort of a sense of reverence,

656
00:23:46,309 --> 00:23:48,950
which is what it originally was. I do

657
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:50,950
believe that it's all part of it. Not

658
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:52,549
just to kill, I mean, when you the

659
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:54,390
thing that I've had the hardest time with

660
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:56,390
learning about whales, and I've read a lot

661
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:58,009
of books and stuff that's historical,

662
00:23:59,109 --> 00:24:00,410
what we did to whales

663
00:24:00,734 --> 00:24:02,755
it's just like we did to the indigenous

664
00:24:02,815 --> 00:24:04,515
tribes. Exactly. We just killed

665
00:24:04,974 --> 00:24:06,494
them and said, Get out of my way,

666
00:24:06,494 --> 00:24:09,055
we want this. And the buffalo. Yeah. And

667
00:24:09,055 --> 00:24:10,255
it was that type of energy. It was

668
00:24:10,255 --> 00:24:12,674
that type of energy. And so, we basically

669
00:24:12,974 --> 00:24:14,115
almost eliminated

670
00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:15,570
gray whales.

671
00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:17,390
And they came back and then we did

672
00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:18,990
it again. So we've done it to them

673
00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:20,850
twice and they're just the most forgiving,

674
00:24:22,350 --> 00:24:22,850
compassionate

675
00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:25,549
creatures, and so you have to wonder what

676
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:27,470
that's all about. But in the day when

677
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:29,994
we used whale oil for things, it was

678
00:24:29,994 --> 00:24:32,794
a very big business. It was. Yeah. And

679
00:24:32,954 --> 00:24:34,875
Yeah. It's hard to watch those old videos

680
00:24:34,875 --> 00:24:36,174
of them cutting up

681
00:24:38,075 --> 00:24:40,875
and harp the harpoon guns, like you said.

682
00:24:40,875 --> 00:24:43,240
Pretty brutal. It's brutal. Pretty brutal. I mean,

683
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,320
I I You know, you don't wanna go

684
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,039
down that road, but we Well Humans are

685
00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:50,119
awful. I mean, we really are. Oh, yeah.

686
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,799
We're so pushy and we want what we

687
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:53,320
want and we don't want no for an

688
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,759
answer, and it's like get out of my

689
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:55,259
way

690
00:24:55,605 --> 00:24:57,684
type of energy. And it's like, it's that

691
00:24:57,684 --> 00:24:58,345
to me,

692
00:24:59,365 --> 00:25:00,345
that's the problem.

693
00:25:00,804 --> 00:25:02,724
We don't need to do that anymore. It's

694
00:25:02,724 --> 00:25:04,565
like stop doing that and we're still doing

695
00:25:04,565 --> 00:25:07,285
it because that's what we do. And I

696
00:25:07,285 --> 00:25:09,589
just feel like when you read about the

697
00:25:09,589 --> 00:25:11,750
whale all the whale hunts and stuff, you

698
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:13,130
it's just Yeah.

699
00:25:13,829 --> 00:25:15,909
Heart wrenching. Well, the the the Earth could

700
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:18,069
have well gotten along without humans. And I

701
00:25:18,069 --> 00:25:19,849
think the worst thing that I I know.

702
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:21,210
And and the worst

703
00:25:22,154 --> 00:25:24,414
thing that happened from humans was white people.

704
00:25:24,795 --> 00:25:26,795
I think you're right. I think we're awful.

705
00:25:26,795 --> 00:25:29,055
I'm and sometimes I'm embarrassed to be

706
00:25:29,434 --> 00:25:31,914
in this tribe, you know. It's like, I

707
00:25:31,914 --> 00:25:32,975
don't think so.

708
00:25:33,355 --> 00:25:35,515
Well, and and back to the whaling now,

709
00:25:35,515 --> 00:25:37,829
overall, from what I have read,

710
00:25:38,609 --> 00:25:40,549
the only countries left

711
00:25:42,129 --> 00:25:44,450
that do whaling and and they do it

712
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:44,950
in,

713
00:25:47,970 --> 00:25:50,549
against the Whaling Commission's moratorium

714
00:25:50,849 --> 00:25:53,144
when they had that Mhmm. Which said no

715
00:25:53,144 --> 00:25:56,605
more whaling, basically. But Japan Mhmm. Norway,

716
00:25:57,144 --> 00:25:58,845
and Iceland Mhmm. Still

717
00:26:00,025 --> 00:26:03,305
violate that moratorium. Right. Yeah. I've heard that.

718
00:26:03,305 --> 00:26:05,565
I know Japan does for sure, and they're,

719
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,619
they're really aggressive.

720
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,859
Yes, they are. They've pretty much

721
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,320
wiped out a bunch of species of whales,

722
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,799
I think. And some dolphins. They have something

723
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,240
about the yeah. Yeah. So why they continue

724
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,305
to do that, I don't know. Now, and

725
00:26:20,305 --> 00:26:22,565
the other part because it's pretty much

726
00:26:23,105 --> 00:26:24,144
how are you gonna take them to jail

727
00:26:24,144 --> 00:26:25,505
when you're gonna Probably, you're gonna do that.

728
00:26:25,505 --> 00:26:28,065
Well, true. Yeah. I don't know. You're probably

729
00:26:28,065 --> 00:26:29,605
both familiar with Sea Shepherd,

730
00:26:29,904 --> 00:26:32,065
whose Oh, yeah. Aim it is to save

731
00:26:32,065 --> 00:26:34,404
the the whales and the suitcases,

732
00:26:34,705 --> 00:26:35,205
and

733
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:37,830
they literally go out and get in the

734
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:39,750
way of the whaling boats and cut them

735
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:41,109
off and Right. Cut them off from the

736
00:26:41,109 --> 00:26:44,230
whales and do very dangerous things. Yeah. Years

737
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:44,950
ago, when,

738
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:45,850
Sea

739
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:48,090
Shepherd broke away from

740
00:26:48,904 --> 00:26:51,544
Greenpeace, they would sink whale well, and boats

741
00:26:51,544 --> 00:26:52,284
in port.

742
00:26:53,144 --> 00:26:54,585
It is not any better. That that Paul

743
00:26:54,585 --> 00:26:56,744
Watson still has a Did they really do

744
00:26:56,744 --> 00:26:59,065
that? They okay. That one I don't really

745
00:26:59,065 --> 00:27:01,625
call. That's a little too the other way.

746
00:27:01,625 --> 00:27:05,000
That's way too yeah. But, the Greenpeace, I

747
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,160
haven't heard much about them lately. I always

748
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,099
do think they're still Paul Paul Watson

749
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,599
quit Gene

750
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,339
Greenpeace because they thought they were too wimpy.

751
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,759
Oh. And so we need to be out

752
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,265
here blocking these people and going. Okay. And

753
00:27:17,265 --> 00:27:19,065
and I yeah. I I tend to go

754
00:27:19,065 --> 00:27:21,305
along with that line of thinking. Okay. But

755
00:27:21,305 --> 00:27:22,605
I ain't going out then.

756
00:27:23,144 --> 00:27:24,904
Well, what does it do? Because they're just

757
00:27:24,904 --> 00:27:25,404
gonna

758
00:27:25,945 --> 00:27:27,465
wait till you're not looking and do it

759
00:27:27,465 --> 00:27:29,224
anyway. Well, if you do enough of it

760
00:27:29,224 --> 00:27:29,724
though,

761
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:31,750
I seem to remember a couple of reading

762
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:33,509
a couple of years ago that Japan has

763
00:27:33,509 --> 00:27:35,029
cut back a whole lot on their well

764
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:37,509
oil, primarily because of Really? Of a sea

765
00:27:37,509 --> 00:27:38,009
shepherd.

766
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:40,570
That's good. No. I think this is good.

767
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:42,470
Yeah. I mean, it's not like you really

768
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:45,109
need their their meat, their oil. You don't

769
00:27:45,109 --> 00:27:46,994
need that. No. Right. And you know, there

770
00:27:47,054 --> 00:27:47,954
at one point,

771
00:27:48,654 --> 00:27:49,714
I think it's Japan,

772
00:27:50,095 --> 00:27:52,575
that the biggest export, whale export that they

773
00:27:52,575 --> 00:27:55,075
had, the biggest product was dog food.

774
00:27:55,454 --> 00:27:57,694
Yeah. And they really did that. Oh my.

775
00:27:57,694 --> 00:27:59,490
That's shitty. How could you do that?

776
00:27:59,890 --> 00:28:00,950
I had no idea.

777
00:28:01,329 --> 00:28:04,150
It's a fact and you just kind of

778
00:28:04,289 --> 00:28:05,970
gag, but you do that. Yeah.

779
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:09,089
So to me, it's just one of those,

780
00:28:09,089 --> 00:28:10,929
you know, things that you don't wanna think

781
00:28:10,929 --> 00:28:13,170
about but it's really happening. It's not, it

782
00:28:13,170 --> 00:28:13,990
hasn't really,

783
00:28:14,724 --> 00:28:16,744
you know, we've the whales have recovered.

784
00:28:17,524 --> 00:28:18,505
They talk about

785
00:28:18,884 --> 00:28:21,464
orcas now. The orcas are endangered,

786
00:28:22,164 --> 00:28:25,065
seriously bad because of the pollution,

787
00:28:25,845 --> 00:28:26,345
mostly,

788
00:28:26,724 --> 00:28:29,570
and plastics, pumpkins. Plastics. Oh my gosh. Is

789
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:31,670
that some of the reasons they've changed their

790
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:32,869
their feeding pattern?

791
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:35,190
They Workers didn't used to eat

792
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:38,210
otters and now they attack the rafts, which

793
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:38,869
are very

794
00:28:39,836 --> 00:28:42,210
Yeah. Slink ducks basically. They thought orcas always

795
00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:43,269
have had

796
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:44,230
the

797
00:28:44,644 --> 00:28:46,298
ocean mammals, if you will, on there. Well,

798
00:28:46,298 --> 00:28:47,065
they're a breast.

799
00:28:47,365 --> 00:28:50,505
They're meteors. Yeah. Grey whales are not. Right.

800
00:28:50,644 --> 00:28:52,884
And so that's the difference. And orcas are

801
00:28:52,884 --> 00:28:53,204
just,

802
00:28:54,484 --> 00:28:55,865
they're big dolphins.

803
00:28:56,659 --> 00:28:58,339
They're in a dolphin family, they're not really

804
00:28:58,339 --> 00:29:00,339
whales, but they have teeth so they eat

805
00:29:00,339 --> 00:29:01,720
meat. Yes. And they're

806
00:29:02,259 --> 00:29:05,059
pretty intelligent too. They are. They're very intelligent.

807
00:29:05,059 --> 00:29:07,460
They're one of the most intelligent creatures on

808
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:08,679
the planet, they say.

809
00:29:09,295 --> 00:29:11,315
So, you know, don't get in their way.

810
00:29:11,535 --> 00:29:13,714
No. There used to be two tribes.

811
00:29:14,015 --> 00:29:15,375
They call them tribes. I don't know.

812
00:29:16,015 --> 00:29:18,095
Pod they're called pods and there's three four

813
00:29:18,095 --> 00:29:20,015
pods now. I think they may. Well, the

814
00:29:20,015 --> 00:29:21,855
pods are different than the tribes and there

815
00:29:21,855 --> 00:29:22,740
were there were,

816
00:29:24,579 --> 00:29:27,220
certain orcas that basically ate salmon, and that's

817
00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:28,740
what they fed on all the time. Right.

818
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:29,640
And then others

819
00:29:30,579 --> 00:29:33,559
ate meat. Yes. And I understand that the

820
00:29:34,259 --> 00:29:36,759
salmon ones are giving up that diet and

821
00:29:37,015 --> 00:29:39,174
joining and they're eating Well, because there's not

822
00:29:39,174 --> 00:29:41,674
enough salmon and the salmon are all,

823
00:29:43,734 --> 00:29:44,234
toxic.

824
00:29:44,775 --> 00:29:45,275
And

825
00:29:45,815 --> 00:29:48,375
that's what's killing them off is the orcas

826
00:29:48,375 --> 00:29:50,474
are eating toxic salmon,

827
00:29:50,775 --> 00:29:51,515
which is

828
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,720
the meat, their toxins are stored in their

829
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,799
fat. And then when there's no food for

830
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,179
them to eat, they burn off

831
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,980
their fat and the toxins come into

832
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:03,440
their systems and it kills them. And the

833
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,259
orcas, they're endangered now. The only,

834
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:09,434
Oregon has they're endangered in Oregon,

835
00:30:09,894 --> 00:30:11,274
they're federally endangered,

836
00:30:11,974 --> 00:30:14,774
and California hasn't made them endangered yet, which

837
00:30:14,774 --> 00:30:16,075
is bizarre. I'm surprised.

838
00:30:16,375 --> 00:30:19,095
That's my state, my home state. I didn't

839
00:30:19,095 --> 00:30:20,875
know that. They didn't. They hunt.

840
00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:23,600
And along the lines, speaking of orcas,

841
00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:24,960
that's

842
00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:27,660
one of my bucket lists. I have never

843
00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:29,740
that's one I've never seen out even in

844
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:32,460
Monterey or Moss Landing. I was figuring on

845
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:34,559
Catching Sight. I've never seen an orca

846
00:30:34,860 --> 00:30:36,894
out in the wild, but I know we

847
00:30:36,894 --> 00:30:39,134
have them here. I was at the Sport

848
00:30:39,134 --> 00:30:40,994
Haven one day, and a guy had a

849
00:30:41,695 --> 00:30:43,954
wonderful camera that was taking pictures. And

850
00:30:44,255 --> 00:30:46,335
he, he said just a day before, he

851
00:30:46,335 --> 00:30:48,654
had seen a couple of workers right by

852
00:30:48,654 --> 00:30:50,980
the harbor. Mhmm. So Yeah. There were some

853
00:30:51,159 --> 00:30:52,859
Have you seen any here? I saw the

854
00:30:52,859 --> 00:30:55,259
tail end of them once. I was I

855
00:30:55,259 --> 00:30:57,339
couldn't cut myself. I was I had been

856
00:30:57,339 --> 00:30:58,960
down on the the,

857
00:30:59,420 --> 00:31:02,859
South Harris Beach for my evening Okay. Thing,

858
00:31:02,859 --> 00:31:04,559
and I came back up.

859
00:31:05,804 --> 00:31:08,304
And, as I came back up that hill,

860
00:31:08,845 --> 00:31:10,765
a whole bunch of younger people passed me

861
00:31:10,765 --> 00:31:13,005
and they were like party time passing me.

862
00:31:13,005 --> 00:31:14,924
And I was glad I came back up

863
00:31:14,924 --> 00:31:16,924
and I got my car and was sitting

864
00:31:16,924 --> 00:31:18,980
there like you do on your phone for

865
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:20,740
a minute, kind of going through whatever it

866
00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:22,419
was I did. And there was all this

867
00:31:22,419 --> 00:31:24,500
yelling and screaming and all these people, and

868
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,500
I thought, Wow, they're really having a party

869
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:28,500
down there. And I looked up just in

870
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,179
time to see the tail end of two

871
00:31:30,179 --> 00:31:30,679
orcas

872
00:31:31,184 --> 00:31:33,284
swimming right exactly where I had been,

873
00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:36,244
right there, right in that cove. And

874
00:31:37,184 --> 00:31:39,184
they're so fast you can't just run and

875
00:31:39,184 --> 00:31:40,625
see them. They were, you know, they're really

876
00:31:40,625 --> 00:31:43,524
fast swimmers. But yeah, no, they're around and

877
00:31:43,585 --> 00:31:45,444
they actually resident here too.

878
00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:47,240
So there's Yeah. I'm still,

879
00:31:48,259 --> 00:31:50,259
I'm waiting I know. By first sight. Well,

880
00:31:50,259 --> 00:31:51,859
you have to be fast. I think that's

881
00:31:51,859 --> 00:31:53,619
what it I'm not fast. I was on

882
00:31:53,619 --> 00:31:56,039
the beach in LA one time, and there's

883
00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:59,140
a dolphin swimming in the surf there all

884
00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:01,904
the time. And one time, there were some

885
00:32:01,904 --> 00:32:02,404
black

886
00:32:03,664 --> 00:32:04,164
cetaceans

887
00:32:04,865 --> 00:32:06,085
with white on them.

888
00:32:06,465 --> 00:32:08,465
And I Well, there were I would say

889
00:32:08,465 --> 00:32:09,285
they were orcas

890
00:32:09,825 --> 00:32:12,244
except they're small, but there are porpoise that

891
00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:13,424
that Yeah. White on them. And I don't

892
00:32:13,505 --> 00:32:15,184
It's a kind of dolphin or porpoise that

893
00:32:15,184 --> 00:32:17,339
has that same color. But who knows? Could

894
00:32:17,339 --> 00:32:19,500
have been a baby orca. I don't know.

895
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:21,740
Well, there's so many marine animals. It's hard

896
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:24,460
to prove nobody somebody like me to know

897
00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:25,119
which one's

898
00:32:25,579 --> 00:32:27,599
where, what doing. Right.

899
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:30,720
But no, they're Morcas are aggressive because

900
00:32:31,214 --> 00:32:33,214
they eat meat. I mean, they that's the

901
00:32:33,214 --> 00:32:34,515
difference. They're not vegetarians.

902
00:32:36,015 --> 00:32:38,414
Right. Now, and I know how much take

903
00:32:38,414 --> 00:32:39,615
this a little bit with a grain of

904
00:32:39,615 --> 00:32:41,615
salt, but I've been hearing reports and reading

905
00:32:41,615 --> 00:32:43,294
on YouTube. Here we go, Ray. But I

906
00:32:43,294 --> 00:32:45,029
don't know how that could be. But there

907
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:48,070
have been orcas attacking boats over off the

908
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:49,049
coast of Portugal.

909
00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:51,269
Have you been hearing that at all? I

910
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:53,430
I remember seeing news items about it and

911
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:56,070
I I don't think they were attacking them

912
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:56,570
to

913
00:32:57,144 --> 00:32:59,304
attack the people. It was just They were

914
00:32:59,464 --> 00:33:01,704
yeah. I again, I don't know. It's it

915
00:33:01,704 --> 00:33:04,265
was a popular kind of a news story

916
00:33:04,265 --> 00:33:06,365
bite for quite a while. But the

917
00:33:06,744 --> 00:33:08,984
they had it they sank a couple of

918
00:33:08,984 --> 00:33:09,390
boats.

919
00:33:10,349 --> 00:33:11,710
From what I hear, and they were able

920
00:33:11,710 --> 00:33:13,549
to get the people off before they were

921
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:15,390
biting the props. I have a hard time

922
00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:16,849
to believe in that. Well, again,

923
00:33:17,549 --> 00:33:19,309
take that with a grain of salt. Well,

924
00:33:19,309 --> 00:33:21,730
the thing that I find, and I don't

925
00:33:21,789 --> 00:33:24,349
spend that much on time time online, but

926
00:33:24,349 --> 00:33:25,250
I do see

927
00:33:25,785 --> 00:33:27,164
an awful lot of stuff,

928
00:33:27,865 --> 00:33:30,684
that's you can tell it's AI generated. Oh,

929
00:33:30,744 --> 00:33:32,744
garbage, garbage, garbage. And it's just and it's

930
00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:34,985
a lot of whale stuff. A lot. There

931
00:33:34,985 --> 00:33:37,065
have been you know, the the the story

932
00:33:37,065 --> 00:33:38,045
of Moby Dick

933
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:40,700
started out with a whale that actually attacked

934
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,339
the whale and boats. So but and Okay.

935
00:33:43,339 --> 00:33:45,659
Yeah. Developed a little bit. A little bit.

936
00:33:45,659 --> 00:33:47,500
But it's the the idea to me that

937
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:48,079
I don't

938
00:33:48,619 --> 00:33:50,140
I, you know, I bet it would have

939
00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:51,919
come up in our class yesterday

940
00:33:52,394 --> 00:33:53,695
about orcas attacking

941
00:33:54,234 --> 00:33:55,914
boats. I think they Yeah. I would have

942
00:33:55,914 --> 00:33:57,275
fought for a what was it? A six

943
00:33:57,275 --> 00:33:58,174
hour presentation?

944
00:33:58,634 --> 00:34:00,335
No. I think it would have been mentioned.

945
00:34:00,715 --> 00:34:02,715
Yeah. I, you know, it might be that

946
00:34:03,115 --> 00:34:04,920
Your class was a PR thing for

947
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,920
It was for whales. Right? They're not gonna

948
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,840
tell you the bad things. Good. Oh, no.

949
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,280
I bet they did. I bet they did.

950
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,440
No. They've I got really depressed. I think

951
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,880
they told us the truth. Well So Yeah.

952
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:16,519
You know, for a lot of it. And

953
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:17,079
it's it's,

954
00:34:18,335 --> 00:34:20,574
I really, honestly, I have to really watch

955
00:34:20,574 --> 00:34:22,494
myself because I go on Facebook every now

956
00:34:22,494 --> 00:34:24,275
and then just get the local

957
00:34:24,574 --> 00:34:27,534
director. Do that. I know, but I do.

958
00:34:27,534 --> 00:34:29,614
And so and I share pictures and stuff

959
00:34:29,614 --> 00:34:30,800
and it's okay.

960
00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:33,980
But sometimes, I've managed to get on a

961
00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:36,239
feed that I get that just shows up

962
00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:38,880
and it's whales. And there are these incredible

963
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,140
pictures of people who are like in a

964
00:34:42,140 --> 00:34:44,960
little fishing boat right there and there's like

965
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:46,594
a big 100

966
00:34:47,054 --> 00:34:49,054
foot whale breaching right in front of the

967
00:34:49,054 --> 00:34:50,974
boat, which would never happen, that would never

968
00:34:50,974 --> 00:34:51,474
happen.

969
00:34:51,934 --> 00:34:54,034
And there's like 2,000,

970
00:34:54,335 --> 00:34:55,215
100,000

971
00:34:55,215 --> 00:34:57,375
likes for that post. And you think people

972
00:34:57,375 --> 00:34:58,275
are really stupid.

973
00:34:58,710 --> 00:35:00,469
And I'm sorry, but I really think that

974
00:35:00,469 --> 00:35:01,909
they are. Yes. So we as a species

975
00:35:01,909 --> 00:35:04,010
could be that way. They have the the

976
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:05,609
the videos where,

977
00:35:06,469 --> 00:35:08,170
a seal or something has

978
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:10,809
has washed up on shore and is literally

979
00:35:10,869 --> 00:35:12,730
covered from head to tail with

980
00:35:13,065 --> 00:35:14,684
with barnacles and these,

981
00:35:15,704 --> 00:35:17,464
that are in a perfect pattern and, you

982
00:35:17,464 --> 00:35:19,545
know, these wonderful people come and take the

983
00:35:19,545 --> 00:35:22,824
barnacles off. Right. Right. But I imagine by

984
00:35:22,824 --> 00:35:25,005
erasing them in Photoshop or something. Well,

985
00:35:25,304 --> 00:35:26,664
I guess you can do that. I learned

986
00:35:26,664 --> 00:35:29,429
yesterday something I didn't really know. There's actually

987
00:35:30,289 --> 00:35:32,949
whales, gray whales have barnacles for a reason.

988
00:35:33,409 --> 00:35:35,489
And so because I've seen those videos too

989
00:35:35,489 --> 00:35:37,829
where there's a they're, you know, they've simulated

990
00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:38,550
a whale

991
00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:41,170
breaching and then some guy jumping on his

992
00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:43,045
back with a brush and brushing off the

993
00:35:43,045 --> 00:35:45,204
barnacles. And in spring, Jose, I mean, I've

994
00:35:45,204 --> 00:35:46,885
seen this. That was the dumbest video I

995
00:35:46,885 --> 00:35:48,965
ever watched. Oh, okay. And it got like

996
00:35:48,965 --> 00:35:50,664
10,000,000 likes. But

997
00:35:51,605 --> 00:35:53,605
barnacles are on whales for a reason. It's

998
00:35:53,605 --> 00:35:54,344
a symbiotic

999
00:35:54,644 --> 00:35:56,909
relationship and they do good things for it.

1000
00:35:56,989 --> 00:36:00,530
Okay. And, there's an actual whale barnacle. And

1001
00:36:00,750 --> 00:36:01,650
the researchers

1002
00:36:02,349 --> 00:36:04,349
notice the patterns in the barnacles and they

1003
00:36:04,349 --> 00:36:06,349
can tell you what whale is what whale

1004
00:36:06,349 --> 00:36:06,849
bite

1005
00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:09,389
the barnacles. They know They have to identify

1006
00:36:09,389 --> 00:36:12,284
that particular whale. So it's really interesting. I

1007
00:36:12,284 --> 00:36:14,764
never I always thought barnacles were just like

1008
00:36:14,764 --> 00:36:17,484
yuck dirty looking things. Like they have a

1009
00:36:17,724 --> 00:36:19,664
there's a purpose. Well, I'll be darn.

1010
00:36:20,125 --> 00:36:22,125
That's a good thing. The purpose is the

1011
00:36:22,125 --> 00:36:23,105
little parasitic

1012
00:36:23,724 --> 00:36:24,224
guys

1013
00:36:24,605 --> 00:36:25,264
that keep

1014
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:27,650
whale skin healthy live in the barnacles.

1015
00:36:28,030 --> 00:36:30,130
And so they need a place to be,

1016
00:36:30,590 --> 00:36:32,670
and so that's where they hang out. And

1017
00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:34,909
it's really interesting. Well, good for them. Good

1018
00:36:34,909 --> 00:36:37,489
for them, yeah. But they don't, you know,

1019
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:39,230
if you went to pick a barnacle off

1020
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:40,829
a whale's back, you wouldn't be doing it

1021
00:36:40,829 --> 00:36:41,409
a favor.

1022
00:36:41,925 --> 00:36:44,965
It'd be really dumb. Okay. So Okay. That

1023
00:36:44,965 --> 00:36:46,565
was a good thing to know. I had

1024
00:36:46,565 --> 00:36:47,144
no idea.

1025
00:36:47,445 --> 00:36:49,364
Well, y'all out there, remember, you can text

1026
00:36:49,364 --> 00:36:52,025
in questions or comments here. (541)

1027
00:36:52,324 --> 00:36:54,809
661-4098.

1028
00:36:55,050 --> 00:36:55,550
Line's

1029
00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:58,329
open, so text in. You know, back to

1030
00:36:58,489 --> 00:37:01,469
you were talking about the spouse earlier, Joanne.

1031
00:37:01,530 --> 00:37:02,829
Mhmm. We did have

1032
00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:06,329
a very unique happening here, not to back

1033
00:37:06,329 --> 00:37:07,869
in I think it was August.

1034
00:37:08,514 --> 00:37:10,675
The blue whale sightings that we had here?

1035
00:37:10,675 --> 00:37:12,675
Yeah. Were you able to catch any of

1036
00:37:12,675 --> 00:37:14,675
that? I caught that. I did. I That

1037
00:37:14,675 --> 00:37:16,775
was amazing. But it's amazing. It was amazing.

1038
00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:18,454
No. Nobody seems

1039
00:37:19,155 --> 00:37:21,074
to know what that was or why it

1040
00:37:21,074 --> 00:37:23,280
was so That was pretty rare to have

1041
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,720
them come in that close to you. It

1042
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,500
was, and it wasn't really documented.

1043
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:29,440
You know, it didn't it was a quick

1044
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,079
It was. Little thing, but it would actually

1045
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:33,700
lasted a couple of weeks.

1046
00:37:34,045 --> 00:37:35,744
I I think so. And I was

1047
00:37:36,204 --> 00:37:38,445
at Harris Beach, didn't like you said, not

1048
00:37:38,445 --> 00:37:38,945
documented,

1049
00:37:39,244 --> 00:37:41,005
and I wasn't really even looking because it

1050
00:37:41,005 --> 00:37:43,885
was August or With August. That time. Early

1051
00:37:43,885 --> 00:37:45,324
on. And I thought, you know, and all

1052
00:37:45,324 --> 00:37:47,585
of a sudden, halfway through my walk,

1053
00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:50,250
which and I didn't have my binoculars, I

1054
00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:53,309
saw a spout. Mhmm. But this spout looked

1055
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:56,010
different and bigger. Bigger. And I thought, oh,

1056
00:37:56,010 --> 00:37:56,410
that's

1057
00:37:56,809 --> 00:37:59,050
Mhmm. It intrigued me. So then I'm run

1058
00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:01,050
not well, not me running, but I walked

1059
00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:03,704
fast back to my car, grabbed my binoculars,

1060
00:38:03,764 --> 00:38:05,844
and more people had assembled. Mhmm. And then

1061
00:38:05,844 --> 00:38:08,085
one of the volunteer, the rangers, I guess,

1062
00:38:08,085 --> 00:38:09,445
came up and said, well, you guys are

1063
00:38:09,445 --> 00:38:11,525
checking out the blue whale. Mhmm. And yeah.

1064
00:38:11,525 --> 00:38:13,204
Uh-huh. And, boy, it was you could tell

1065
00:38:13,204 --> 00:38:16,425
that the spouts were, different than when they

1066
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,960
showed their back, they were just big. It

1067
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,880
was a wonderful sight. And a blue whale,

1068
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,800
that was one one of the things on

1069
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,039
my bucket list also, so I got to

1070
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,519
cross that one off. That was really cool.

1071
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:29,679
No. It was really unusual, and it they

1072
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:31,360
were around for a while, but I got

1073
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,405
to see I had a neighbor who had

1074
00:38:33,405 --> 00:38:35,664
a drone. I don't like drones very much.

1075
00:38:35,885 --> 00:38:37,324
But he sent a drone out. Yeah, I

1076
00:38:37,324 --> 00:38:38,844
don't either but sometimes I wish I had

1077
00:38:38,844 --> 00:38:40,204
them. But go ahead. He That was the

1078
00:38:40,204 --> 00:38:41,105
coolest video.

1079
00:38:41,565 --> 00:38:43,585
It was because he sent the drone out.

1080
00:38:43,965 --> 00:38:45,405
I live on a place where we have

1081
00:38:45,405 --> 00:38:47,405
a park right across from where I live.

1082
00:38:47,405 --> 00:38:49,260
So you a long time ago, there was

1083
00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:51,660
a restaurant there. So now there's no restaurant

1084
00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:53,280
but there's this big empty field.

1085
00:38:54,059 --> 00:38:56,239
It's private but we go there anyway.

1086
00:38:56,780 --> 00:38:59,180
And anyway, this guy, we were out on

1087
00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:01,180
that particular point and the guy sent the

1088
00:39:01,180 --> 00:39:02,640
drone out over the cliff

1089
00:39:03,045 --> 00:39:04,264
and he got, it

1090
00:39:04,724 --> 00:39:06,264
was a blue whale and a baby.

1091
00:39:06,724 --> 00:39:08,644
And it was just the best video. And

1092
00:39:08,644 --> 00:39:09,784
there you could see

1093
00:39:10,244 --> 00:39:11,844
all the way out to the horizon, you

1094
00:39:11,844 --> 00:39:14,005
could see spouts. It was just whatever that

1095
00:39:14,005 --> 00:39:14,505
was.

1096
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:17,010
I'm so tempted to buy one of those,

1097
00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:17,510
but

1098
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:19,650
I I I know it will happen. I

1099
00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:21,410
would use it about an hour, and that

1100
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:23,809
would be it. It would crash. No. No.

1101
00:39:23,809 --> 00:39:25,329
I would get tired of playing with it.

1102
00:39:25,329 --> 00:39:26,309
I mean, there's just

1103
00:39:26,849 --> 00:39:28,150
so many Yeah.

1104
00:39:29,155 --> 00:39:31,795
Films of Zooming. We we watched a, a

1105
00:39:31,795 --> 00:39:32,695
movie yesterday

1106
00:39:33,394 --> 00:39:35,155
that was full of drone shots. It was

1107
00:39:35,155 --> 00:39:37,635
a little self made by movie by by

1108
00:39:37,635 --> 00:39:38,215
a couple,

1109
00:39:38,914 --> 00:39:41,555
and the drone shots were amazing. They're amazing.

1110
00:39:41,555 --> 00:39:42,615
Yeah. And and

1111
00:39:42,929 --> 00:39:44,609
the things they can do and the things

1112
00:39:44,609 --> 00:39:46,289
you can buy for less than a thousand

1113
00:39:46,289 --> 00:39:50,150
dollars, they're just tons of automatic features. Yeah.

1114
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:51,750
But I would take

1115
00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:54,530
well, my house is situated. You can't really

1116
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:55,969
get a picture of it because it's on

1117
00:39:55,969 --> 00:39:56,445
a,

1118
00:39:58,285 --> 00:40:00,204
flyby and have a picture of my house,

1119
00:40:00,204 --> 00:40:02,204
and and I'd put it away and never

1120
00:40:02,204 --> 00:40:03,724
use it. Yeah. Right. We'll go with the,

1121
00:40:04,285 --> 00:40:06,605
the cam camera I bought years ago. I've

1122
00:40:06,605 --> 00:40:08,684
been to Ray's house, and it's got some

1123
00:40:08,684 --> 00:40:09,585
beautiful panoramic

1124
00:40:10,045 --> 00:40:11,265
views of the ocean.

1125
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:14,030
Some other bands that has some views.

1126
00:40:15,289 --> 00:40:16,989
Joanne, I have to ask you too,

1127
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:19,309
because we encountered,

1128
00:40:20,969 --> 00:40:22,590
when we were there just a few

1129
00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:23,630
weeks ago,

1130
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:26,424
some crazy questions from some of the people

1131
00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:28,605
that come up when you're doing the volunteer.

1132
00:40:28,744 --> 00:40:30,744
Uh-huh. I think I remember one guy, if

1133
00:40:30,744 --> 00:40:32,125
I had this right, he was

1134
00:40:32,505 --> 00:40:35,144
asking you it was you and two Bob

1135
00:40:35,144 --> 00:40:37,085
and then where was the other lady? Shannon?

1136
00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:38,684
Oh, there's Shannon and there's,

1137
00:40:39,065 --> 00:40:41,389
what's her name? I forget. Okay. Yeah. Anyway,

1138
00:40:41,769 --> 00:40:43,530
about how how do you get the whales

1139
00:40:43,530 --> 00:40:45,369
to come in to the shore? Just that

1140
00:40:45,369 --> 00:40:47,690
kind of stuff. But that's okay, man. Well,

1141
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:49,849
it's you know, you have to once you

1142
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:51,210
do that for a while and, you know,

1143
00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:52,670
you're there are multiple days

1144
00:40:52,969 --> 00:40:54,190
and you get to see

1145
00:40:54,594 --> 00:40:56,275
all kinds of people from all over the

1146
00:40:56,275 --> 00:40:58,894
world, people from Italy and Turkey and all

1147
00:40:58,894 --> 00:41:00,355
over the world. And that's a beautiful thing.

1148
00:41:00,355 --> 00:41:02,535
They don't know anything about whales at all.

1149
00:41:02,675 --> 00:41:05,074
Right. And so, you know, until I started

1150
00:41:05,074 --> 00:41:06,954
to learn about it, I didn't either. Yeah.

1151
00:41:06,954 --> 00:41:08,434
Correct. So you have to kind of wonder,

1152
00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:11,690
I guess I knew more than you don't

1153
00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:13,150
really call whales in,

1154
00:41:13,449 --> 00:41:13,949
but,

1155
00:41:14,409 --> 00:41:16,650
you know, that guy didn't. But, you know,

1156
00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:18,409
I think that's the whole point of the

1157
00:41:18,409 --> 00:41:18,909
program.

1158
00:41:19,690 --> 00:41:22,030
It's not just to let people watch whales,

1159
00:41:23,184 --> 00:41:24,864
and that's a part of it. But the

1160
00:41:24,864 --> 00:41:27,264
other part is to raise the awareness of

1161
00:41:27,264 --> 00:41:29,844
the oceans and the need that we have

1162
00:41:29,984 --> 00:41:32,264
to connect a little bit more in a

1163
00:41:32,264 --> 00:41:34,730
in a maybe a more heartfelt way that

1164
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:36,809
makes it more important so that we take

1165
00:41:36,809 --> 00:41:37,929
better care. I think the three of us

1166
00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:40,089
at this table pay some attention to nature

1167
00:41:40,089 --> 00:41:42,010
and what's going on. I hope so. But

1168
00:41:42,010 --> 00:41:43,609
not everybody does. I used to do a

1169
00:41:43,609 --> 00:41:44,510
reptile demonstration

1170
00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:45,690
at the,

1171
00:41:46,329 --> 00:41:47,789
a park in in Tucson.

1172
00:41:48,730 --> 00:41:49,230
And

1173
00:41:50,275 --> 00:41:52,914
as part of that, my job was self

1174
00:41:52,914 --> 00:41:54,114
appointed thing was I

1175
00:41:54,755 --> 00:41:57,574
I've handled this fairly large gopher snake,

1176
00:41:58,275 --> 00:41:59,715
and it got used to me. It was

1177
00:41:59,715 --> 00:42:01,715
very common. It didn't actually even mind being

1178
00:42:01,715 --> 00:42:03,554
out of the demonstrations. It got it out

1179
00:42:03,554 --> 00:42:04,454
of its cage

1180
00:42:04,809 --> 00:42:06,109
for a little while. But

1181
00:42:06,489 --> 00:42:08,329
I had this one that I kept referring

1182
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:09,309
to as she,

1183
00:42:09,769 --> 00:42:11,309
and somebody asked me,

1184
00:42:11,769 --> 00:42:13,210
how do you know it's a it's a

1185
00:42:13,210 --> 00:42:14,650
it's a female? And I said, well, in

1186
00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:16,429
one of the tanks down there, there's

1187
00:42:17,204 --> 00:42:19,845
10 babies that that egged she bled soon

1188
00:42:19,845 --> 00:42:21,465
after we caught her.

1189
00:42:21,765 --> 00:42:23,684
And the person wanted to know if we

1190
00:42:23,684 --> 00:42:25,525
put the snake in there at night to

1191
00:42:25,525 --> 00:42:26,505
nurse the babies.

1192
00:42:29,619 --> 00:42:31,699
I don't know what happened. Actually, if we'd

1193
00:42:31,699 --> 00:42:33,219
put her in there at night, she'd eat

1194
00:42:33,219 --> 00:42:35,219
the babies. So that would be good. Yeah.

1195
00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:37,219
That makes perfect sense. But but but I'm

1196
00:42:37,219 --> 00:42:38,900
sure one of your joys, and it is

1197
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:40,519
one of mine, and I'm not a volunteer

1198
00:42:40,659 --> 00:42:42,900
yet anyway, that's kind of intriguing. We had

1199
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:44,260
talked about it a little bit when I

1200
00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:44,715
was there.

1201
00:42:46,635 --> 00:42:49,535
Another example, at Cape Forillo, I was there

1202
00:42:49,835 --> 00:42:51,755
during the migration. I was the only one

1203
00:42:51,755 --> 00:42:52,974
there, which is unbelievable.

1204
00:42:53,835 --> 00:42:55,755
And the couple came up and they were

1205
00:42:55,835 --> 00:42:57,515
and they saw me with the binoculars and

1206
00:42:57,515 --> 00:42:58,715
they were, you know, what what are you

1207
00:42:58,715 --> 00:42:58,980
checking

1208
00:43:00,019 --> 00:43:01,159
out? I said, well, right

1209
00:43:01,619 --> 00:43:02,739
now, man, there's there's whales out there. Oh,

1210
00:43:02,739 --> 00:43:04,420
my and they were from Klamath Falls. You're

1211
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:06,599
not gonna see any whales in Klamath Falls.

1212
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:09,139
And they were just intrigued as heck and

1213
00:43:09,139 --> 00:43:11,059
sat there for the next hour and a

1214
00:43:11,059 --> 00:43:11,960
half or whatever

1215
00:43:12,260 --> 00:43:15,054
watching just as excited as I was. It's

1216
00:43:15,054 --> 00:43:17,394
a pleasure to turn somebody else on

1217
00:43:17,775 --> 00:43:18,914
to that wonderful

1218
00:43:19,295 --> 00:43:21,155
sight. Well, it's part I

1219
00:43:21,454 --> 00:43:23,215
get that a lot of people come to

1220
00:43:23,215 --> 00:43:24,835
Oregon to see a whale.

1221
00:43:25,375 --> 00:43:27,375
You know, that's part of what we do.

1222
00:43:27,375 --> 00:43:28,914
That's one of our draws.

1223
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:31,190
And so, you know, I understand. That's what

1224
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:32,869
happened to me. I mean, I was in

1225
00:43:32,869 --> 00:43:34,569
Cannon Beach, what was it,

1226
00:43:34,949 --> 00:43:36,869
in 2012,

1227
00:43:36,869 --> 00:43:37,449
I think,

1228
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:39,289
and I saw my first whale

1229
00:43:39,909 --> 00:43:42,069
here and I was I just sort of

1230
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:43,989
got addicted. Yeah. You know, and I think

1231
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:46,405
It's easy to. It happens, especially like you

1232
00:43:46,405 --> 00:43:49,125
said, that once you learn how important the

1233
00:43:49,125 --> 00:43:51,684
outdoors is and nature is, it's just sort

1234
00:43:51,684 --> 00:43:53,844
of what you do. Right. I mean, it's

1235
00:43:53,844 --> 00:43:54,005
not

1236
00:43:55,045 --> 00:43:56,340
Right. And again, I

1237
00:43:57,059 --> 00:43:58,980
praise this place a lot of times. It

1238
00:43:59,059 --> 00:44:00,739
like you say, out in nature, we're right

1239
00:44:01,059 --> 00:44:02,980
we've got so much beauty here. So much

1240
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:03,880
beauty. Mountains,

1241
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:06,280
greenery, trees, the ocean,

1242
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:07,960
all the different wildlife.

1243
00:44:09,094 --> 00:44:10,855
And, again, back to the bird, we talked

1244
00:44:10,855 --> 00:44:12,074
about the bald eagles.

1245
00:44:12,614 --> 00:44:15,414
There's so many different types. One of my

1246
00:44:15,414 --> 00:44:15,914
favorite

1247
00:44:16,214 --> 00:44:19,094
scenes out here is, when the pelicans come

1248
00:44:19,094 --> 00:44:21,894
in and start feeding. Yeah. Watching those things

1249
00:44:21,894 --> 00:44:23,460
dive bomb the water, they

1250
00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:26,420
they look so graceful as their flag well,

1251
00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:28,019
they are graceful, but, boy, when they hit

1252
00:44:28,019 --> 00:44:30,179
that water and going for the fish, it

1253
00:44:30,179 --> 00:44:32,599
looked like somebody doing a belly flop. Mhmm.

1254
00:44:32,659 --> 00:44:34,579
No. You look at them while you're out

1255
00:44:34,579 --> 00:44:36,099
there. You look at them and think they

1256
00:44:36,099 --> 00:44:36,704
screwed up.

1257
00:44:37,184 --> 00:44:38,704
They got too close and fell in. Well

1258
00:44:38,785 --> 00:44:39,285
because

1259
00:44:39,664 --> 00:44:41,505
it's not They're rolling up something. How do

1260
00:44:41,505 --> 00:44:42,945
they do that? I don't know. Well, I

1261
00:44:42,945 --> 00:44:44,785
like it when they're flying right along the

1262
00:44:44,785 --> 00:44:46,625
top of the wave. They're like and, like,

1263
00:44:46,625 --> 00:44:47,905
happening off the top of the I don't

1264
00:44:47,905 --> 00:44:49,025
know how they do that. How do they

1265
00:44:49,025 --> 00:44:51,265
do that? Yeah. But that's the contour of

1266
00:44:51,265 --> 00:44:54,130
the waves. Yeah. It's amazing. That's what pelicans

1267
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:56,769
do. Yeah. That's what they do. Yeah. Yeah.

1268
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:59,309
Yeah. It's a special place. Yeah. No, we're

1269
00:44:59,309 --> 00:45:00,829
really lucky and I feel that,

1270
00:45:01,309 --> 00:45:02,910
every day. I think that's why I go

1271
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:03,410
out

1272
00:45:03,789 --> 00:45:05,630
to watch whales is that if for no

1273
00:45:05,630 --> 00:45:07,555
other reason, then I just get to stand

1274
00:45:07,775 --> 00:45:10,335
there and watch what's going on Yeah. Around.

1275
00:45:10,335 --> 00:45:12,414
I feel pretty special when I when I

1276
00:45:12,414 --> 00:45:13,875
do see that. Uh-huh.

1277
00:45:14,255 --> 00:45:15,875
Yeah. And and so

1278
00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:18,434
and how many we have grays,

1279
00:45:18,735 --> 00:45:21,614
humpbacks, and now I've seen blues. Blues. Right.

1280
00:45:21,614 --> 00:45:22,114
Orcas.

1281
00:45:22,859 --> 00:45:24,940
Is that pretty much no. No. But they

1282
00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:26,460
had a fin whale wash up on it.

1283
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:28,859
They're fin whales. Right? It's fin whales. And

1284
00:45:28,859 --> 00:45:30,000
I don't you know, honestly,

1285
00:45:31,659 --> 00:45:32,719
I don't know how

1286
00:45:33,099 --> 00:45:34,859
I would be able to tell the difference

1287
00:45:34,859 --> 00:45:36,460
between a gray whale and a fin whale

1288
00:45:36,460 --> 00:45:38,465
if I was looking on the water. They

1289
00:45:38,465 --> 00:45:38,965
really

1290
00:45:39,265 --> 00:45:41,425
are really similar. Maybe it's a spout, I'm

1291
00:45:41,425 --> 00:45:42,485
not so sure about.

1292
00:45:43,025 --> 00:45:45,025
But, yeah, no, there's, I'm counting in my

1293
00:45:45,025 --> 00:45:46,545
book, I have one, two, three, four, five,

1294
00:45:46,545 --> 00:45:47,684
six, seven, eight,

1295
00:45:48,065 --> 00:45:48,565
10

1296
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:50,699
different kind of,

1297
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,679
baleen whales, which is what a gray whale

1298
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:55,599
is. Yeah. And those we have here along

1299
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:58,159
the coast? Well, there's four specific ones that

1300
00:45:58,159 --> 00:45:59,599
you would expect to see here. But then

1301
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,605
they don't they're not counting the fin whale.

1302
00:46:01,844 --> 00:46:03,525
And the fin whale just washed up on

1303
00:46:03,525 --> 00:46:04,585
the beach up north.

1304
00:46:05,364 --> 00:46:07,224
So you have to wonder, I really,

1305
00:46:08,005 --> 00:46:08,505
I'm

1306
00:46:09,045 --> 00:46:10,744
curious about the fact that

1307
00:46:11,125 --> 00:46:12,105
there's deep

1308
00:46:12,724 --> 00:46:13,224
sea

1309
00:46:13,605 --> 00:46:16,840
mining going on all over the Pacific Ocean.

1310
00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:17,800
And so,

1311
00:46:18,099 --> 00:46:19,960
what that means is that they're basically,

1312
00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:24,180
whoever it is, Japan, China, maybe USA, we're

1313
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:26,340
going way down deep in the ocean in

1314
00:46:26,340 --> 00:46:27,400
these little submarines

1315
00:46:28,255 --> 00:46:29,315
and blowing up

1316
00:46:30,255 --> 00:46:32,514
the ocean ground so we can get minerals

1317
00:46:32,574 --> 00:46:34,175
out of it. And so, if you were

1318
00:46:34,175 --> 00:46:35,554
a whale and you lived

1319
00:46:35,855 --> 00:46:36,355
by

1320
00:46:36,655 --> 00:46:39,454
echolocation which is the vibration in the water

1321
00:46:39,454 --> 00:46:41,315
and they started to blow up the ground

1322
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:44,289
at the bottom of the, you know, the

1323
00:46:44,289 --> 00:46:44,789
basin,

1324
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:47,489
that kind of make you wanna leave, wouldn't

1325
00:46:47,489 --> 00:46:48,849
it? Well, you would think that you would

1326
00:46:48,849 --> 00:46:50,769
think that you just sort of hightail it

1327
00:46:50,769 --> 00:46:52,929
in a different direction. And so maybe they

1328
00:46:52,929 --> 00:46:53,750
came here

1329
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:56,414
because it was safer. I don't know. I

1330
00:46:56,414 --> 00:46:57,555
don't know either.

1331
00:46:58,414 --> 00:47:01,635
Another thing that concerned me during the migration

1332
00:47:01,775 --> 00:47:02,275
now,

1333
00:47:02,655 --> 00:47:03,855
and this is a big

1334
00:47:04,255 --> 00:47:05,795
so we fresh seafood

1335
00:47:06,095 --> 00:47:08,434
up here is around here is wonderful.

1336
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:10,329
I was amazed at

1337
00:47:10,949 --> 00:47:13,289
what I saw a lot of crab traps

1338
00:47:13,429 --> 00:47:16,070
set out Mhmm. Right off of Harris Beach

1339
00:47:16,070 --> 00:47:16,969
during the migration.

1340
00:47:17,590 --> 00:47:20,090
I I thought that that was not allowed.

1341
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:21,910
I don't Do you know anything about that?

1342
00:47:21,989 --> 00:47:23,210
Know anything about that.

1343
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:26,335
And I did talk to because I get

1344
00:47:26,335 --> 00:47:27,315
my local

1345
00:47:27,934 --> 00:47:29,855
fresh seafood at the harbor a lot, and

1346
00:47:29,855 --> 00:47:31,315
I talked to the lady in there,

1347
00:47:32,095 --> 00:47:34,275
wonderful lady, we're we're friends,

1348
00:47:34,655 --> 00:47:36,414
and I mentioned, oh, have you been out

1349
00:47:36,575 --> 00:47:38,515
have you seen any whale? Before the migration

1350
00:47:38,575 --> 00:47:40,409
started, I asked her, had she been out

1351
00:47:40,409 --> 00:47:42,589
to see any had she seen any whales?

1352
00:47:42,809 --> 00:47:44,170
And she gave me a look and she

1353
00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:46,510
said, I don't wanna see any whales. Yeah.

1354
00:47:46,809 --> 00:47:48,429
Because that's her livelihood.

1355
00:47:48,809 --> 00:47:51,210
Mhmm. You know? Yeah. I kinda see that,

1356
00:47:51,210 --> 00:47:53,150
but I think also, boy,

1357
00:47:53,484 --> 00:47:55,025
do you know what the whales

1358
00:47:55,565 --> 00:47:56,065
are,

1359
00:47:56,684 --> 00:47:59,065
what do they call the species of of,

1360
00:47:59,804 --> 00:48:00,125
very

1361
00:48:00,605 --> 00:48:03,324
all species are important, I suppose. There's a

1362
00:48:03,324 --> 00:48:04,224
a Keystone.

1363
00:48:04,684 --> 00:48:06,304
Keystone. Yeah. Thank you, Ray.

1364
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:07,820
A keystone

1365
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,920
species for the ocean Mhmm. And which is

1366
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,820
gonna eventually affect the salmon, the crabs, the

1367
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:17,320
whatever else. Mhmm. But, yeah, she was just

1368
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:17,720
not,

1369
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,420
in favor of

1370
00:48:20,255 --> 00:48:21,695
seeing the whales. I just thought that was

1371
00:48:21,695 --> 00:48:22,974
fair. Well, you know, that was one of

1372
00:48:22,974 --> 00:48:25,454
the concerns yesterday that's been brought up because,

1373
00:48:25,454 --> 00:48:26,355
yeah, I mean,

1374
00:48:27,055 --> 00:48:29,055
you gotta be aware of that. People make

1375
00:48:29,055 --> 00:48:30,114
their living off of that

1376
00:48:30,414 --> 00:48:31,614
stuff. You do. You have to make trade

1377
00:48:31,614 --> 00:48:33,510
off. And you have to be able to

1378
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:35,750
take care of what's in the water, too.

1379
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:37,670
You bet. And so that it's just a

1380
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:40,309
really hard thing. Balance. How do we get

1381
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:42,550
that balance? Yeah. And I don't I mean,

1382
00:48:42,550 --> 00:48:43,210
I think

1383
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:45,429
being a fisherman must be a really hard

1384
00:48:45,429 --> 00:48:45,929
life.

1385
00:48:46,394 --> 00:48:48,235
And so I don't blame those people for

1386
00:48:48,235 --> 00:48:50,635
kind of being territorial going around. It was

1387
00:48:50,635 --> 00:48:52,283
just how I made my living. But at

1388
00:48:52,283 --> 00:48:54,155
the same time I think they're a debater,

1389
00:48:54,155 --> 00:48:56,875
believe me. I can't do that. But How

1390
00:48:56,875 --> 00:48:57,775
about the whales?

1391
00:48:58,235 --> 00:48:59,994
Yeah, how about the whales? I mean, they

1392
00:48:59,994 --> 00:49:01,375
can't get out of your net

1393
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,460
and you're killing them.

1394
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,839
And we don't always see them. I mean,

1395
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:07,519
they don't always wish up on the beach.

1396
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:09,940
Sometimes they just sink into the bottom of

1397
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,279
the basin. And it's just

1398
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:13,599
Well, and we have talked a little bit

1399
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:16,465
about this particular problem with Bill Gorham on

1400
00:49:16,465 --> 00:49:17,364
another show,

1401
00:49:18,065 --> 00:49:18,565
about,

1402
00:49:19,025 --> 00:49:20,405
you know, balancing.

1403
00:49:20,864 --> 00:49:23,125
How can we work this problem out? Now

1404
00:49:24,784 --> 00:49:27,425
this is what I have read also, not

1405
00:49:27,425 --> 00:49:30,010
on YouTube, but I've read. They're starting to

1406
00:49:30,010 --> 00:49:31,869
develop crab traps without

1407
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:34,029
having to attach the line,

1408
00:49:34,650 --> 00:49:36,409
which that's what the whales get hung up

1409
00:49:36,409 --> 00:49:38,349
with. Yeah. Now it's

1410
00:49:38,650 --> 00:49:40,089
a lot more money because they're

1411
00:49:40,969 --> 00:49:43,609
from what I remember, they they drop they

1412
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:44,750
can drop the crab

1413
00:49:45,315 --> 00:49:46,855
traps without a line.

1414
00:49:48,514 --> 00:49:50,594
And through their phones, they can,

1415
00:49:51,315 --> 00:49:53,315
beep. So I this is not gonna be

1416
00:49:53,315 --> 00:49:54,614
the scientific explanation,

1417
00:49:55,155 --> 00:49:57,414
but they basically have little inflatable,

1418
00:49:58,489 --> 00:50:00,250
balloons, if you wanna call them. When they

1419
00:50:00,250 --> 00:50:02,909
wanna get that trap back, they'll

1420
00:50:03,369 --> 00:50:05,710
inflate these. They will float to the top

1421
00:50:05,849 --> 00:50:08,569
with with no lines attached. Right. Now, again,

1422
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:10,569
I'm sure that's gonna be a lot of

1423
00:50:10,569 --> 00:50:11,210
money and

1424
00:50:13,224 --> 00:50:14,664
You know, the People are going to work.

1425
00:50:14,744 --> 00:50:16,905
Technology, that would not Technically, thank you. There

1426
00:50:16,905 --> 00:50:18,505
you go. Would not really not be that

1427
00:50:18,505 --> 00:50:20,684
big a deal to do something like that,

1428
00:50:20,824 --> 00:50:22,764
except I don't know how well these

1429
00:50:23,545 --> 00:50:26,369
railways go into the water. I think Well,

1430
00:50:26,369 --> 00:50:28,609
again, that's above my pay grade, and I'm

1431
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:30,650
sure that people who are hard enough can

1432
00:50:30,929 --> 00:50:33,409
Yeah. Figure that out. But it I'm sure

1433
00:50:33,409 --> 00:50:34,710
if you have 5,000

1434
00:50:35,889 --> 00:50:37,730
crab traps, it could've cost you lots to

1435
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:39,675
to change. Well, they can't be cheap at

1436
00:50:39,675 --> 00:50:40,894
all. Oh, no. No.

1437
00:50:41,515 --> 00:50:43,355
Yeah. So, yeah. No. You have to, you

1438
00:50:43,355 --> 00:50:44,875
know, you have to hope, but then how

1439
00:50:44,875 --> 00:50:47,515
are they gonna regulate it? And who's gonna

1440
00:50:47,515 --> 00:50:49,515
comply? And, you know, who's gonna get off

1441
00:50:49,594 --> 00:50:51,434
Yeah. Because they don't have the and all

1442
00:50:51,434 --> 00:50:53,355
that stuff. All of that. And there's always

1443
00:50:53,355 --> 00:50:53,855
major

1444
00:50:54,389 --> 00:50:56,869
money involved in blocking any kind of Right.

1445
00:50:56,949 --> 00:50:59,349
The current administration that doesn't think that we

1446
00:50:59,349 --> 00:51:01,190
have any Well, you know, you gotta wonder

1447
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:02,789
about those guys. I mean, who are those

1448
00:51:02,789 --> 00:51:03,529
guys anyway?

1449
00:51:03,989 --> 00:51:06,069
But I'm glad they're keeping track of,

1450
00:51:07,805 --> 00:51:10,445
climate change and realizing it's a big hoax.

1451
00:51:10,445 --> 00:51:12,684
Yeah, if we could just do something, if

1452
00:51:12,684 --> 00:51:13,965
we could just figure out and do it

1453
00:51:13,965 --> 00:51:16,684
quickly, so we don't totally, I mean, the

1454
00:51:16,684 --> 00:51:18,125
thing that I see is that we just

1455
00:51:18,125 --> 00:51:20,130
kind of waited a little bit too long

1456
00:51:20,289 --> 00:51:22,049
to start thinking about it. We should have

1457
00:51:22,049 --> 00:51:23,809
been doing this fifty years ago. Well, we

1458
00:51:23,809 --> 00:51:25,730
certainly should have been brought up fifty years

1459
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:27,730
ago. It was. Yeah. No. I was aware

1460
00:51:27,730 --> 00:51:29,730
of it. And I think before maybe even

1461
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:32,789
before then, but, yeah, didn't really catch fire.

1462
00:51:33,089 --> 00:51:36,005
No. And then when it did catch fire,

1463
00:51:36,625 --> 00:51:37,444
the opposite

1464
00:51:38,144 --> 00:51:39,844
started to happen where the

1465
00:51:40,144 --> 00:51:41,824
the big hoax started. It was a big

1466
00:51:41,824 --> 00:51:43,984
deal just getting lead out of out of

1467
00:51:43,984 --> 00:51:46,885
fuel. Well Yeah. It was a big, big

1468
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:48,670
brouhaha.

1469
00:51:49,049 --> 00:51:50,829
Well, we have to make it so complicated.

1470
00:51:50,889 --> 00:51:52,569
I mean, that's what keeps those people in

1471
00:51:52,569 --> 00:51:53,630
Washington jobs

1472
00:51:54,010 --> 00:51:55,929
because we make it just complicated that we

1473
00:51:55,929 --> 00:51:57,369
can't just figure it out and deal with

1474
00:51:57,369 --> 00:51:59,130
it. We have to just talk about it

1475
00:51:59,130 --> 00:52:02,065
for a year. Unfortunately, we can overcomplicate a

1476
00:52:02,065 --> 00:52:03,825
lot of things, can't we? Yeah. Right. The

1477
00:52:03,825 --> 00:52:05,585
human spirit. Right, we're so good at it.

1478
00:52:05,585 --> 00:52:07,105
And that's why I think when I watch

1479
00:52:07,105 --> 00:52:08,565
whales, I just feel so

1480
00:52:09,345 --> 00:52:11,184
honored to be able to connect with the

1481
00:52:11,184 --> 00:52:13,230
creature that's just out there doing this thing

1482
00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:15,070
that they do and they've been doing for

1483
00:52:15,070 --> 00:52:16,989
millions of years and they just do it

1484
00:52:16,989 --> 00:52:17,489
regardless.

1485
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:20,690
And they must have something that we don't.

1486
00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:23,170
They must be able to connect with some

1487
00:52:23,469 --> 00:52:24,769
force in the universe

1488
00:52:25,070 --> 00:52:27,474
that's so much greater than we can even

1489
00:52:27,474 --> 00:52:29,554
wrap our heads around. And I really envy

1490
00:52:29,554 --> 00:52:31,394
them, I really do. I feel like I

1491
00:52:31,394 --> 00:52:31,894
wish

1492
00:52:32,195 --> 00:52:33,954
I mean, maybe in my next lifetime I'll

1493
00:52:33,954 --> 00:52:35,175
come back as a whale.

1494
00:52:35,635 --> 00:52:37,315
I hope they've cleaned up the oceans by

1495
00:52:37,315 --> 00:52:38,775
then, but, you know Hopefully,

1496
00:52:39,635 --> 00:52:41,724
that would be the case. Yeah. Yeah. But

1497
00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:42,929
No. They they they are

1498
00:52:43,230 --> 00:52:44,050
very special.

1499
00:52:45,789 --> 00:52:48,510
I I just now I I keep putting

1500
00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:50,449
my note. I came across where I finally

1501
00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:53,150
had the keystone species, what they call the

1502
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:55,170
whales. They call them also,

1503
00:52:56,714 --> 00:52:58,154
they're very at the very top of the

1504
00:52:58,154 --> 00:52:59,775
keystone species. Ecosystem

1505
00:53:00,154 --> 00:53:00,654
engineers

1506
00:53:01,835 --> 00:53:04,335
is a term that they use because

1507
00:53:04,714 --> 00:53:06,554
I mean, without them, everything else goes down

1508
00:53:06,875 --> 00:53:09,994
Mhmm. Pretty much. Right. Well, they, you know,

1509
00:53:09,994 --> 00:53:12,010
they, like I say, they've been around for

1510
00:53:12,010 --> 00:53:13,690
so long and that they're still here, that

1511
00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:14,670
has to mean something.

1512
00:53:15,369 --> 00:53:17,449
And, you know, that we're so,

1513
00:53:19,449 --> 00:53:20,969
you know, that there's enough of us that

1514
00:53:20,969 --> 00:53:22,889
are concerned about it that they actually do

1515
00:53:22,889 --> 00:53:23,389
research.

1516
00:53:23,875 --> 00:53:24,535
And there's

1517
00:53:24,835 --> 00:53:27,075
a huge amount of research being done all

1518
00:53:27,075 --> 00:53:28,675
the time all over the world. And that's

1519
00:53:28,675 --> 00:53:31,474
positive. That's positive. That's huge. That's a big

1520
00:53:31,474 --> 00:53:33,155
deal. So you have to know that what

1521
00:53:33,155 --> 00:53:35,075
we see on the news probably isn't what's

1522
00:53:35,075 --> 00:53:37,219
really happening, which is a good thing.

1523
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,239
Right. But the rest of it, you just

1524
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:41,920
kind of have to to me, it's like,

1525
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,340
well, what can I do that might be

1526
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,280
positive to help other people sort of get

1527
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,179
excited about

1528
00:53:48,684 --> 00:53:49,984
what's possible? And -Well,

1529
00:53:50,444 --> 00:53:52,045
and you're doing one thing. Well, I hope

1530
00:53:52,045 --> 00:53:53,964
so. I mean, that's -Yeah. It's not what

1531
00:53:53,964 --> 00:53:55,244
I wake up in the morning to think

1532
00:53:55,244 --> 00:53:57,644
about. But to me, if we don't start

1533
00:53:57,644 --> 00:53:58,464
doing that

1534
00:53:59,164 --> 00:54:01,964
for more things in whales, we're screwed. I

1535
00:54:01,964 --> 00:54:03,885
mean, I think we're already kind of screwed.

1536
00:54:03,885 --> 00:54:04,230
But,

1537
00:54:05,269 --> 00:54:06,949
the whales make it easy for me to

1538
00:54:06,949 --> 00:54:09,030
just sort of get, okay, there's this passion

1539
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:11,349
that we forgot about you guys and it's

1540
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:13,510
everybody. It's not just me and you and

1541
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:15,210
everybody in this room, it's us.

1542
00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:17,590
And the species needs to wake up and

1543
00:54:17,590 --> 00:54:18,809
start taking,

1544
00:54:19,344 --> 00:54:21,585
you know, worrying about things that are important

1545
00:54:21,585 --> 00:54:24,065
instead of, you know, what's on sale at

1546
00:54:24,065 --> 00:54:24,805
Fred Meyer's.

1547
00:54:26,305 --> 00:54:28,644
And stuff like that. We're just so unbalanced.

1548
00:54:28,864 --> 00:54:30,864
And that's the concern I have is that

1549
00:54:30,864 --> 00:54:32,704
I'm, I mean, I'm old enough, I'm gonna

1550
00:54:32,704 --> 00:54:34,109
be out of

1551
00:54:34,409 --> 00:54:36,570
here, you know, twenty years and I'm probably

1552
00:54:36,570 --> 00:54:37,469
gone. Okay.

1553
00:54:37,929 --> 00:54:40,170
Us too. But the rest, you know, what

1554
00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:42,809
are we leaving behind? Yeah. And, you know,

1555
00:54:42,809 --> 00:54:44,570
what's gonna happen and do I need to

1556
00:54:44,570 --> 00:54:45,070
care?

1557
00:54:45,815 --> 00:54:47,574
And I care while I'm here, so that

1558
00:54:47,574 --> 00:54:49,335
works. But for the rest of it, you

1559
00:54:49,335 --> 00:54:50,474
just have to go, boy

1560
00:54:50,855 --> 00:54:51,355
Right.

1561
00:54:51,894 --> 00:54:54,054
What else? Well, it is even even if

1562
00:54:54,054 --> 00:54:55,414
you if you do live in a place

1563
00:54:55,414 --> 00:54:57,335
that maybe you don't like I did, you

1564
00:54:57,335 --> 00:54:58,315
don't see whales,

1565
00:54:59,335 --> 00:55:01,429
it's I care about the even

1566
00:55:01,809 --> 00:55:03,690
the species that maybe I don't see Right.

1567
00:55:03,809 --> 00:55:06,289
Or will never see. I'll use, let's say,

1568
00:55:06,289 --> 00:55:08,369
the the polar bears for an example. Will

1569
00:55:08,369 --> 00:55:09,889
I ever see one? No. I'm sure I

1570
00:55:09,889 --> 00:55:13,109
won't. I spend every morning tracking the progress

1571
00:55:13,329 --> 00:55:13,829
of

1572
00:55:14,184 --> 00:55:17,385
salamander eggs in my pond. Do these Okay.

1573
00:55:17,385 --> 00:55:19,704
There you go. Oh, there's a little spot.

1574
00:55:19,704 --> 00:55:21,864
That one's developed. And now they're now they're,

1575
00:55:21,864 --> 00:55:24,204
I'd say, less than a week away from

1576
00:55:24,505 --> 00:55:26,585
hatching. And I have two different kinds. And

1577
00:55:26,585 --> 00:55:28,800
I love those sal those salamanders are cool.

1578
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:31,860
Uh-huh. Except they're newts and and

1579
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:35,059
okay. I have I have two,

1580
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:37,199
sets of eggs and I have two two

1581
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:38,099
different types

1582
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,619
animals are breeding.

1583
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,079
And soon, any day now, the frogs will

1584
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,284
start to breed. And you you know that

1585
00:55:44,284 --> 00:55:46,204
because it's a racket. It's almost too much

1586
00:55:46,204 --> 00:55:47,664
noise. Right? It's too early. Yeah.

1587
00:55:49,085 --> 00:55:51,085
And when That's a bunch of noise. So

1588
00:55:51,085 --> 00:55:53,105
what happens is the newts, who are carnivores

1589
00:55:53,804 --> 00:55:54,625
Oh. Mean,

1590
00:55:55,005 --> 00:55:56,065
aggressive carnivores

1591
00:55:56,364 --> 00:55:58,144
develop quicker than the frogs,

1592
00:55:58,569 --> 00:55:59,869
and they start eating

1593
00:56:00,329 --> 00:56:02,889
the the the tadpoles before and there's a

1594
00:56:02,889 --> 00:56:04,010
lot of those that can eat a lot

1595
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:05,929
of those, and I don't have any frogs

1596
00:56:05,929 --> 00:56:08,250
left. So Oh, okay. As soon as the

1597
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:08,489
frog

1598
00:56:09,210 --> 00:56:11,289
as as these newts start getting to any

1599
00:56:11,289 --> 00:56:13,530
size, I'll start catching them and releasing them

1600
00:56:13,530 --> 00:56:15,525
someplace else so that I don't eat all

1601
00:56:15,525 --> 00:56:17,464
my frogs. You've got your own little echoes

1602
00:56:17,764 --> 00:56:18,885
going on. Yes, I do. And I had

1603
00:56:18,885 --> 00:56:20,565
my own little things I care of. You

1604
00:56:20,565 --> 00:56:21,304
guys, whales,

1605
00:56:21,605 --> 00:56:22,505
frogs, lizards,

1606
00:56:23,525 --> 00:56:25,464
lizards. We all gotta have something. Right?

1607
00:56:25,764 --> 00:56:27,364
Yeah. And I was lucky enough to see

1608
00:56:27,364 --> 00:56:27,864
Ray's

1609
00:56:28,565 --> 00:56:31,579
poison dart frog little friend that he has.

1610
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:34,519
They're beautiful. They're absolutely beautiful. Who ever thought

1611
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:36,519
an 82 Wouldn't wanna lick one, I guess,

1612
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:37,019
but

1613
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,480
Whoever thought an 82 year old person would

1614
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,039
have pet frogs? Oh. I think that's a

1615
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:42,780
good thing.

1616
00:56:43,235 --> 00:56:44,914
No kidding. You know, I just there was

1617
00:56:44,914 --> 00:56:46,994
an article someplace the other day that there

1618
00:56:46,994 --> 00:56:48,375
was somebody murdered with

1619
00:56:49,074 --> 00:56:50,215
with dart frog poison.

1620
00:56:50,994 --> 00:56:51,894
That's horrible.

1621
00:56:52,275 --> 00:56:54,515
Yeah. That's yeah. But I believe it. Yeah.

1622
00:56:54,515 --> 00:56:56,755
There was probably a recipe on YouTube that

1623
00:56:56,755 --> 00:56:57,894
you can make your own.

1624
00:56:59,510 --> 00:57:00,710
And how to get away with it. And

1625
00:57:00,710 --> 00:57:02,469
how to get away with it. Right? Right.

1626
00:57:02,469 --> 00:57:04,069
And how the AI might do it for

1627
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:06,949
you. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, we are

1628
00:57:06,949 --> 00:57:10,150
running out of time. Joanne, I really wanna

1629
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:12,070
thank you. I'm I'm glad I met you

1630
00:57:12,070 --> 00:57:13,210
with the whale watching

1631
00:57:14,175 --> 00:57:16,414
escapade there at Harris Beach. Thank you. It

1632
00:57:16,414 --> 00:57:18,355
was fun to get to talk to somebody

1633
00:57:18,494 --> 00:57:20,655
with as much passion and maybe more than

1634
00:57:20,655 --> 00:57:22,994
I have. Well, yeah. I'm I'm pretty sure

1635
00:57:23,375 --> 00:57:23,726
it's an important thing that we need to

1636
00:57:23,743 --> 00:57:25,054
It's an important thing. We we need to

1637
00:57:25,054 --> 00:57:26,755
get over it and and not,

1638
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:29,719
you know, start screaming about stuff we like.

1639
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:32,460
Yes. And we really do. Yes. And there's

1640
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:33,880
the flaming of it. The trouble is when

1641
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,900
you get passionate about something, you

1642
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:39,320
kinda get your feelings hurt when people are

1643
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,465
not bashing around. What what do you mean?

1644
00:57:41,465 --> 00:57:43,305
If I did that, then I would lose

1645
00:57:43,305 --> 00:57:46,025
my job or something. Uh-huh. Well, it's the

1646
00:57:46,025 --> 00:57:47,305
times we're in. I mean, you get to

1647
00:57:47,305 --> 00:57:49,065
choose what you think is important, I guess,

1648
00:57:49,065 --> 00:57:50,664
is how I see it. And and when

1649
00:57:50,664 --> 00:57:52,825
I hear this Yeah. It will destroy that

1650
00:57:52,825 --> 00:57:55,809
industry. There's lots of industries have been no,

1651
00:57:55,809 --> 00:57:57,889
we don't make buggy whips anymore and parts

1652
00:57:57,889 --> 00:57:58,130
for

1653
00:57:59,089 --> 00:58:00,929
They don't make corsets, I don't think. It's

1654
00:58:00,929 --> 00:58:03,250
like that. So, yeah. No. It's I I

1655
00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:05,170
always like to use the analogy that many,

1656
00:58:05,170 --> 00:58:07,089
many, many years ago, there was this guy.

1657
00:58:07,089 --> 00:58:09,074
I don't know his name, but he had

1658
00:58:09,074 --> 00:58:11,414
a wonderful business. He was the third generation

1659
00:58:11,554 --> 00:58:13,655
doing this making Clovis spear points.

1660
00:58:14,755 --> 00:58:17,974
And and he was training his kids to

1661
00:58:18,034 --> 00:58:20,429
to make Clovis spear points, and then

1662
00:58:20,909 --> 00:58:22,190
all of a sudden, there wasn't a need

1663
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:24,369
for Clovis spear points anymore.

1664
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:26,989
So just to keep just to keep him

1665
00:58:26,989 --> 00:58:29,550
in business, should we have continued Right. Well

1666
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:32,109
and and going out and spearing animals. Who

1667
00:58:32,109 --> 00:58:33,809
knows? I don't think so. Adopted.

1668
00:58:34,434 --> 00:58:36,755
That's a good thing to adapt. Okay, ma'am.

1669
00:58:36,755 --> 00:58:39,234
We're down to about ten seconds. So thank

1670
00:58:39,234 --> 00:58:40,994
you again. You ready? Yeah. Thanks for having

1671
00:58:40,994 --> 00:58:44,034
me. Michael and Booth, my mister host, Ray

1672
00:58:44,034 --> 00:58:45,414
Gary. Thank you all. KCIW

1673
00:58:46,369 --> 00:58:49,190
LP one hundred point seven FM, beautiful Brookings,

1674
00:58:49,329 --> 00:58:49,829
Oregon.