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You have now entered the cosmic radio receptors

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of KCIW

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one hundred point seven FM

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located just a few miles north of the

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border in lovely coastal Brookings, Oregon.

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Thank you for tuning in to this week's

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interesting program. I'm doctor Gigi, and my cohost

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is, as always,

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Jacques Kepner. How are you today, Jacques? Greetings,

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everyone, and welcome to the Doc and Jacques

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Radio Variety Show. Special thanks to today's sound

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engineer and all around happy and industrious man,

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Michael Gorse, who is filling in for Tom

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Bozak and Ray Simon, but he really doesn't

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need to fill in because he is a

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sound engineer extraordinaire

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Mhmm. And a documentary guy. He does so

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many things. We are very very blessed and

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very happy to have him on the KCIW

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team.

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Thanks, Michael. You're hearing this live

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syndicated show on KCIW in Brookings, Oregon. That

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said, the same syndicated show will be rebroadcast

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in exactly one week from now each and

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every Wednesday at

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8AM, but it's better than seven, better than

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Humboldt region. And hello to all of our

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listeners there. And then after that, next Wednesday

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Mhmm. After that, a few hours later at

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my old alma mater, KFUG one zero one

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plays at 01:00. So there you can hear

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the doc of Jacques. We really appreciate everybody

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out there that's listening. And I think Steve

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Portser,

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our friend, our blacksmith friend in, Crested City

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may be listening. We'll see. Hello to you,

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Steve. Thanks for listening. So all those areas

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we are covered and syndicated and growing all

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the time, we have your coasts

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covered. I've said s coasts. Mhmm.

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Alright.

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Okay. It's that time when good medicine and

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health tips are colorfully

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colorfully Mhmm. Colorfully.

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Colorfully. Thank you. Colorfully

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presented

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by my German American practicing metal doctor.

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Metal? Oh my gosh.

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Medical doctor who is also,

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actually a renowned research scientist who holds former

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well, still a you still hold four DNA

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technology patents in your name.

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You are you were a university professor and

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just up to recently you were a professor.

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You're also an artist, which I wanted to

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bring in to everybody. She's an incredible artist.

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She's she seems she makes me vest in

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shirts and caps. Oh, she's fantastic.

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She is also

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a a newspaper columnist with your Yeah. MDG.

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Off the charts. Off the charts. Okay. And

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last but not least, she's a syndicated broadcaster

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and so much more. And did I mention

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her incredibly emotional work as our region's

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hospice physician? Oh, yes. We gotta say that.

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Doctor Gigi,

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what medical marvels do you have for us

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today on this week's health segment of MD

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Well, very kind introduction. Thank you. You're looking

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really good too.

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I like it. They're pretty. Wow. Woah, boy.

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Today, we will discuss yet another one of

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suggestions when you ask what the heck is

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in the human throat

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and what is it all about? Well, James

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is your old boyfriend. I'm Jacques. Jacques. Okay.

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Well, the throat doctor is humanity's

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great hallway, is it not?

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It swallows food, it laughs and it speaks

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poetry. It does. Thank you. So we can

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move on.

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Where would we be without it?

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We would probably be mute and malnourished

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and mourning the loss of

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karaoke.

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Yeah. Alright. So respect the throat. Okay. We

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do. That slim squishy corridor between our brain

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and belly, the unsung hero of existence.

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Oh noble throat,

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the slender bridge of life's symphony.

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Through you

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what we gonna say?

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Through you,

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glide words and laughter and soup alike.

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Our guest is gagging on my words.

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You our dreams,

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you gulp pride, and you oftentimes

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choke on the truth.

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Without you, silence would rule, doctor. No sound,

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no snacks, no sweet confessions.

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Well said, my talkative team mate. The throat.

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your turn. Alright. So the throat also called

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the pharynx.

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Pharynx? Like the pharaoh? Pharynx. Oh. Not the

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far neck. Shoot. The pharynx. Again. It's a

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crowded piece of real estate in our body.

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we say, I have a sore throat. Yeah.

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That's true. Behind

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every time we swallow, bite, or speak, as

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you so poetically said, the short stretch of

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anatomy is running a complex and finally timed

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operation.

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The throat

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or pharynx is a vital crossroads where breathing,

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and fighting infections all come together.

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Do you know why cannibals don't swallow clowns?

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K. Let's go back to my pharynx. Let's

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divide the busy corridor into several regions, each

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with its own row. So at the top

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lies the nasopharynx.

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Woah. So the nasal No. Throat

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Yep. Tucked behind the nose Okay. Where air

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first enters its way toward the lungs. Okay.

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Just below the,

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just below is the oropharynx,

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like the mouth throat. Nasopharynx.

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Nasopharynx. What does oral mean? Mouth. Oh, oral

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like oral. Duh. Yeah. Oral and then nasopharynx.

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mouth throat. And that's when when we say

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to the patient, say ah. Oh, open your

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mouth and say Yeah. Open the mouth and

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say, ah. And so that's when the tongue

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gets depressed, and we see the oropharynx.

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the little I've got a tongue depressor. If

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you wanna try it on me. And that's

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why well, you know the little dingly, the

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uvula we see there too. Okay. You open

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your mouth and then say, oh, I'd say,

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ah, Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Didn't get that. Alright.

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air, food, and liquids all pass through the

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same space.

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feet of biological

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traffic control. Wow. How cool is that? So

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below that, beneath that, we have the hypo

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Hypo below. Hyper is above.

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Hyper above, hypo below. That's what forms the

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final stretch before this shared pathway

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splits.

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The air turns toward the windpipe

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and the lungs and the food and drink

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heading for the food tube and stomach. Wow.

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So it's doing taking everything in from Yeah.

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Care, milkshakes.

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So we don't wanna get food in our

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airway. Right? So guarding that airway is the

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larynx

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or we call it the voice box. I

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got I'm glad you're larynx. It's not larynx,

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by the way. It's larynx. I had a

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friend named larynx. Larynx. Larynx. Well, it's close

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enough. So we call it we just say

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the voice box. Okay. The voice box. So

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this is a small cartilage frame structure

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that has double duty. Wow. It must. It

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has it houses the vocal cords. We talked

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about the vocal cords one, twice

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that vibrate to make our voice exactly.

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And it forms the upper gateway

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off the windpipe. We better get going. Our

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guest over here is.

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He's yawning over here. Okay. Last week,

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doctor, last week, I got a few tests

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done. Mhmm. And today, I got back the

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results. Yeah. Yep. One was a COVID test,

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and it's really weird. But right beside that

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COVID test, it just had a number 50

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to next to it. Right? That's weird. Right?

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test results back. Yeah. It says positive next

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to it. It's weird.

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Alright. That's funny. It's not bad. Right? Okay.

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Our guest didn't laugh. Jinx.

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We are right on time. Right? Okay. What

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else? Sitting above the larynx,

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sits something called the epiglottis. The glottis is

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actually a little hole, and

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the epiglottis is something that closes on the

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hold, and that's called the epiglottis. You can

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think of it as kind of like the

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beer stein, the little flexible

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thing that you can open the lid for.

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That's how Oh. See it. That's a flexible

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flap that snaps down all over the larynx

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every time we swallow. Otherwise, we would

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swallow food And then get into our lungs.

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Into the lungs. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So which

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with each bite of a sandwich or a

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sip of beer,

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the epiglottis quietly prevents disaster, steering food away

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from the lungs and into the food pipe,

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which is the esophagus. And of course, you'd

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bring a beer because you're German and of

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course a stein. I haven't seen them. In

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Germany, we saw those, right, the steins that

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had the little tin cap or it's made

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made of cheap metal. Yeah. I think tin.

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Yeah. I think that's interesting.

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Well, speaking of beer, a skeleton folks walked

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into a bar and he went up to

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the bartender and he said, give me a

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beer

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and give me a mop.

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And he had the Irish accent. Well, I

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don't know.

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Okay. It's my last joke as well.

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So we're keep going on either side of

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the oropharynx.

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Remember what we say when we say oropharynx?

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Oral is oral. Okay. The mouth. Yep. Mouth,

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throat.

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Stands, or on each side are the tonsils.

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And we all know who have had children

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who have endured strep throat or tonsillectomies

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or tonsillitis,

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those are the things

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that get thick and tender, and that's part

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of our sore throats. Okay. So these small

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lumps, the tonsils are part of the immune

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tissue. They hang down, I thought. No. That

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No. They're on the side. No. We What's

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the part that hangs it down? Those two

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weird things.

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The adenoids, they're a little higher up. Do

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you usually, we don't see them. Yeah. Oh,

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I see. Tonsils that you see Yeah. Are

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on the side. So the adenoids are further

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up. Can you see them from the the

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top? I mean, looking down some of his

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voice, the voice box or

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really hardly ever visible. But you could put

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a mirror in there. Right? Yes. So then

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you can Doctors looking to see a mirror

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down the side. Yeah. Not the normal doctors,

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but some maybe. Have you? ENTs. No. Oh,

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okay. So what they do is they sample

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all of them, the adenoids and the tonsils.

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They sample the incoming germs from the air

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and say, oop, this is a bad guy

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or this is a good guy. And we

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we better make antibodies against it. And so

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they sound the alarm

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and our immune system starts.

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K. Got it. So the all those that

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the the tonsils, the immune parts, they can

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become infected and painfully swollen,

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but they are our frontline defensive role, especially

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in childhood.

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However so this is interesting if, I had

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strep throat one time that I know of.

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And I looked I took a picture on

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my little

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phone here and it looked just horrid because

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the tonsils were the very

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Hugo

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red and white dots on it. That is

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the hallmark

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of streptorosis. Did you know that dolphins have

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tonsils too? I found that found that very

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interesting. They do? I haven't researched it yet,

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but I'm sure they do. Because, scientists have

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discovered that dolphins are so smart. They are

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indeed.

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They can quickly teach humans to stand on

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the edge of a pool and feed them

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fish. They could train us. It's no problem.

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Okay. Okay. What next? Just tiny little more

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because we're still having more. We have

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once we swallow, we divide

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the food from the air.

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We go down the esophagus, which is the,

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I should say, the air goes in the

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front of the throat, basically. Gotcha. And the

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food goes in the back. So that's the

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esophagus.

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That's all I wanted to say that we

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have two lines going down in the neck.

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The front is the air, the back is

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the food. Cool. That was excellent. Wonderful. About

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the throat, you know, think about it next

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week. What should we talk about? I mean,

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parts of the we haven't done an eyeball

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yet, have we? No. Okay. Maybe we'll have

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to do that, talking about the eyes. Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you for that, doc.

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Have you been watching any of the Olympics,

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John? Have you watched any Olympics every shake?

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No. We don't have TV. So We watched

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a little bit the other day, right? We

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were we don't have TV, but we Wait.

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Where did we watch it? Oh, that Oh,

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that that other girl. Damn it.

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Oh, shoot. Alright. Wait a minute. Okay. Thank

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you.

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I recently entered the, speaking of, the Olympics,

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I recently entered the world kleptomaniac

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championship.

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I did. And I took the gold, silver,

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and the bronze.

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Okay.

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Alright.

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Let's see. Prologue.

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Good afternoon friends and welcome back.

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We haven't been anywhere

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to this edition of Doc and Jacques Radio

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Show on k c k c I w,

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KZZH, and KFUG coming to you from this

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wild stretch of coastal magic along the Northern

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Coast Of California and Southern

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Coast Of Oregon. Today's guest

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has been on this show multiple times and

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has become a friend of ours because he

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is just a nice guy. He really is.

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When we're together, when we've been out to

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dinner, we've been

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a little more informal places.

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He laughs like hell at my jokes. He

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does. He's When nobody else is listening. He's

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slapping his keeps slapping his knee. Your wife's

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paying me.

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Slapping his knee, guffeling. Hey. What a great

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joke, Jack. Toasting. Oh my god. Alright. But

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our guest also holds a very interesting position

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in a five zero one C3

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nonprofit

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organization. It's a nonprofit

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that serves our community

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in more ways than one,

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in a different way because it represents a

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it's a monument. It's a monument that we

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have right off our shores

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of both

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Brookings and Crescent City and beyond. You see

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this monument.

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Well,

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I'll I'll just let him take over. But

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John Zimmerman

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is the president of this

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monument thing that you're going to find out

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more. You're going to hear directly from his

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voice, his voice, his throat,

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and what he represents. Hint,

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it's a tall building

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seven miles out to sea that you can

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see on a clear happy day. Do we

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know what that might be? Alright. That's enough

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for me. Okay. Today's show is a special

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treat. Welcome, John Zimmer. John Zimmer, thank you

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for coming back to our show even though

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you have to laugh at his jokes.

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Darn right. He ain't gotten a bill yet.

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John Zimmerman, give us the skinny. Where were

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you born and raised?

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Oh, I was born in Portland, Oregon

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in 1957.

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So I'm an old fossil.

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Alright. And I was raised there. Okay. What

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brought you here then?

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after I graduated from Oregon State, I moved

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to California

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for thirty five years, lived in Sonoma County

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as a landscape contractor, and then I retired

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and wanted to move back to Oregon, so

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I moved to Brookings. I didn't wanna go

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back to a big city. I know. That's

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why I had done You're a beaver? Former

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beaver? I am. I don't know. Wow.

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Okay. So

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now Jacques here has been talking around the

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hot dough,

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hot what do you call it? Hot clue.

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I haven't given any clues. Yeah. Okay. Okay,

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John. It's up to you. What is your

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title and position?

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I'm the president of the Saint George Reef

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Lighthouse Preservation Society. Woah. That's a mouthful. And

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we are trying to

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restore the lighthouse off the coast of Crescent

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City. It's six and a half miles across,

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the water from, Pointe Saint George.

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Wow. And Saint George Pointe is the one

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that's kinda down near the Crescent City,

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airport. Right? Right. Exactly. Up beyond that. And

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yet, our friend Ray, when we've been over

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at his house, he sits right on a

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cliff up here north of town. Oh, he's

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In Brookings. Yeah. And he has a telescope.

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You could see it perfectly

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out there. It's we have one of the

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best pictures taken from that distance, and I

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gotta say that's more like 13 or 14

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miles. Oh, close to 20. Oh, really? Oh,

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yeah. That looks really good. Sweet. You know,

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my nephew was here the other month with

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his wife,

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and we went to the Point Of Saint

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George, and it was so clear. It was

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so beautiful, and it was it was night

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almost, but we could the sun was going

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down. We could see Saint George

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Reef Lighthouse

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wonderfully, and we were showing it off. Oh,

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look. And they said, yeah. We were wondering

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what that is. What is that? I mean,

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if you don't know Right. And yeah. Right?

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Nowhere to look and kinda And it it

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was the worst thing because it's it's so

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iconic. Right? But, I mean, if you didn't

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You remember the first time you saw it?

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I mean, about four or five years ago

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when you moved here. I remember watching saw

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it in Brookings. Amazing.

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Oh my gosh. It was just a bear.

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That. Alright. So, John, are you a volunteer?

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Yes. You're a presidential

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volunteer? Yeah. We're all volunteers. Yeah. The whole

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organization,

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although everybody on the board and,

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and other people, we all volunteer our time.

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How many people are on the board? There's

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11. Well,

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there's one that just stepped down, but we

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we normally have had 11.

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Well, I think boards are incredibly important, and

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the bigger the board, the better. That's what

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I think. I think, really, for it to

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get more voices, get more people. Small.

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So how you you were a landscape

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person. What got you interested in lighthouses?

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Well, when I was a

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kid, we used to go down to Cannon

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Beach, Oregon,

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which is, about

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95 miles

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northwest of Portland.

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And my cousin had a, cottage down there,

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a couple cottages, and we used to rent

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one of them every spring vacation.

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And just

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on the

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northwest corner of her property, you can see

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Tillamook Rock Lighthouse offshore.

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And,

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ironic,

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that the engineer that built Saint George Reef

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Lighthouse,

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he had just finished building Tillamook Rock, and

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then he started Saint George.

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Tillamook Rock, is it out in the water?

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Or This is a mile and a half

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offshore. Mile and a half? Yeah. Wow. Roughly

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the same height as Saint George. A little

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bit shorter, but,

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it's, I think, a 133 feet, and Saint

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George is a 146.

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And so it's, like, similar plans of building

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it? No.

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Saint George, you see a low rock with

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a large,

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case on which the tower

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is built upon that, whereas Tomac Rock had

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a taller rock.

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But the building is built,

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it it the building itself is considerably shorter

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than the tower at Saint George, probably

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probably about fourteen, fifteen feet, and it it

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goes, more

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horizontal.

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But, they both if you compare the height

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of where the the light is Mhmm. Or

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was,

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they're roughly the same height, about 12 foot

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difference. Very interesting. Well, that's the one we

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couldn't see. Remember, we drove around Tillamook that

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one time. We went up to Florence on

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the way there, and we looked and just

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couldn't find it. Is there is there a

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point where you can just drive out and

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everybody can see it? Well, you go up

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to Ecola State Park, North of Cannon Beach,

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and you Ecola. Ecola.

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Oh, Ecola. Yep.

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Oh, you're talking Tilam Tilamaug Rock. Oh, okay.

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You're talking about Cape Mears, probably. Right down.

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Yeah. Way down here. Okay.

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Okay. Gotcha now. Drive down Hey. I did

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some research and found that The United States

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has the most lighthouses

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of any country.

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Sources consistently identified The US with about 700

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active or standing lighthouses today,

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outpacing others globally. I guess globally, there's I

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think 17 or 18,000

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lighthouses, so they play a big part.

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I stay active because The US has built

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1,500 lighthouses altogether,

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peaking around 1910,

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when the it peaked out then. At that

530
00:20:17,644 --> 00:20:19,744
time, there were 850

531
00:20:20,044 --> 00:20:20,544
operating

532
00:20:20,924 --> 00:20:23,505
lighthouses. That's amazing. Now, that said,

533
00:20:23,859 --> 00:20:26,599
I want you before you give the answer,

534
00:20:26,899 --> 00:20:28,359
I do want to ask you

535
00:20:28,819 --> 00:20:29,480
a question.

536
00:20:29,859 --> 00:20:32,839
Please or just please tell all the audience

537
00:20:33,139 --> 00:20:35,539
which of all the 50 states has the

538
00:20:35,539 --> 00:20:37,639
most lighthouses. Is it Maine?

539
00:20:38,335 --> 00:20:39,315
Is it Washington?

540
00:20:40,015 --> 00:20:41,154
Is it California,

541
00:20:42,414 --> 00:20:43,235
North Carolina,

542
00:20:43,615 --> 00:20:45,695
or Florida? What is it? What are those

543
00:20:45,695 --> 00:20:46,994
five? Michigan.

544
00:20:48,494 --> 00:20:48,994
Michigan?

545
00:20:49,695 --> 00:20:51,634
You mean the Great Lakes has more?

546
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,400
Michigan has the whole coastline. Is not even

547
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,819
on here. Yeah. Michigan is on Darn it.

548
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,599
I messed up. Lake Michigan and Lake Lake

549
00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:02,359
Huron go on both sides of,

550
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,319
of, the state of Michigan, and they have

551
00:21:05,319 --> 00:21:06,884
a I believe well, depends on who you

552
00:21:06,884 --> 00:21:08,825
ask, but I've read a 118.

553
00:21:09,045 --> 00:21:10,664
I've read also a 140.

554
00:21:11,285 --> 00:21:13,845
Woah. Yep. Maybe one trip on one summer,

555
00:21:13,845 --> 00:21:15,765
we should go back there and count them.

556
00:21:15,765 --> 00:21:17,625
Yeah. I've never seen a lighthouse from Michigan.

557
00:21:17,924 --> 00:21:19,525
Hey. I didn't know. Lake Michigan is a

558
00:21:19,525 --> 00:21:21,069
cool. It's really a whole world out there.

559
00:21:21,069 --> 00:21:22,909
There's Lake Huron too. It's on both sides

560
00:21:22,909 --> 00:21:24,429
of the state. So, I mean, there's a

561
00:21:24,429 --> 00:21:25,250
lot of coastline.

562
00:21:25,869 --> 00:21:27,950
Now as far as the coastal lighthouses, Maine

563
00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:28,849
has the most.

564
00:21:29,230 --> 00:21:31,149
A coastal lighthouse and Maine has the well,

565
00:21:31,149 --> 00:21:32,829
I was I thought you were gonna say

566
00:21:32,829 --> 00:21:33,329
Oklahoma.

567
00:21:33,715 --> 00:21:35,475
I know. Before you said that one last

568
00:21:35,475 --> 00:21:36,535
time. Yeah. Yeah.

569
00:21:37,235 --> 00:21:38,595
I know. I think I said Kansas or

570
00:21:38,595 --> 00:21:40,934
Nebraska. Yeah. I know. You didn't. I know.

571
00:21:40,994 --> 00:21:41,494
Yay.

572
00:21:42,275 --> 00:21:45,315
Why was the lighthouse built and when? Ours,

573
00:21:45,315 --> 00:21:47,440
that is, the Saint George Ring. Saint George

574
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,000
is built, they had conceived about the idea

575
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000
right after the sinking of the brother, Jonathan,

576
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,460
in 1865.

577
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,920
But as everybody knows, there was a civil

578
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,860
war that had just concluded. The

579
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,480
United States Treasury was pretty broke. So they

580
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,840
didn't build the lighthouse until

581
00:22:02,355 --> 00:22:04,194
they started in 1882.

582
00:22:04,434 --> 00:22:05,974
The fellow by the name

583
00:22:06,275 --> 00:22:07,575
of Alexander Ballantine,

584
00:22:07,875 --> 00:22:08,775
we started,

585
00:22:09,954 --> 00:22:12,855
the construction of the lighthouse or the soundings

586
00:22:12,914 --> 00:22:15,950
around the rock and so forth. In 1882

587
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:18,029
after he finished Helmut Rock Lighthouse in the

588
00:22:18,029 --> 00:22:18,850
state of Oregon.

589
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:20,269
And,

590
00:22:20,670 --> 00:22:21,170
the

591
00:22:21,789 --> 00:22:24,190
construction of the lighthouse occupied a period of

592
00:22:24,190 --> 00:22:24,930
ten years

593
00:22:26,269 --> 00:22:27,630
from 1882

594
00:22:27,630 --> 00:22:28,130
to

595
00:22:28,484 --> 00:22:29,285
1892

596
00:22:29,285 --> 00:22:32,424
when they finally got the, lens, from France.

597
00:22:32,484 --> 00:22:34,404
In those days, had to go around Cape

598
00:22:34,404 --> 00:22:36,664
Horn to get the Woah. Lens,

599
00:22:37,045 --> 00:22:38,904
delivered from France. Dang.

600
00:22:39,765 --> 00:22:43,305
The the building was essentially finished in 1891.

601
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:46,009
It did not take that amount of time

602
00:22:46,009 --> 00:22:47,369
between 1882

603
00:22:47,369 --> 00:22:48,750
and 1891

604
00:22:48,890 --> 00:22:52,109
to finish the building. But Congress would appropriate

605
00:22:52,330 --> 00:22:54,570
less monies one year, more monies other years.

606
00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:56,809
One year, they didn't appropriate any at all.

607
00:22:56,809 --> 00:22:57,789
You had a short

608
00:22:58,184 --> 00:23:00,184
season to, work out there because of the

609
00:23:00,184 --> 00:23:00,684
weather.

610
00:23:01,304 --> 00:23:04,204
But, it ended up being the most expensive

611
00:23:04,345 --> 00:23:06,984
lighthouse in The United States ever built. I've

612
00:23:06,984 --> 00:23:08,825
actually read in places that it was the

613
00:23:08,825 --> 00:23:11,065
most expensive lighthouse in the world that was

614
00:23:11,065 --> 00:23:13,619
ever built. I'm not so sure that's true

615
00:23:13,619 --> 00:23:14,839
because you have to

616
00:23:15,299 --> 00:23:17,380
there are a lot of of wave washed

617
00:23:17,380 --> 00:23:19,400
lighthouses out on rocks in France

618
00:23:20,019 --> 00:23:21,480
and in Scotland,

619
00:23:22,019 --> 00:23:22,920
England, Ireland

620
00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:24,200
that are

621
00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:28,305
Saint George's equal construction wise that were built

622
00:23:28,865 --> 00:23:30,965
around the same time or earlier. And

623
00:23:31,505 --> 00:23:33,184
it's hard to figure out how much they

624
00:23:33,184 --> 00:23:35,765
cost, you know, pounds or francs compared to

625
00:23:35,825 --> 00:23:37,505
dollars in the years they were building and

626
00:23:37,505 --> 00:23:39,265
so forth. But there are some of them

627
00:23:39,265 --> 00:23:41,744
that were were definitely Saint George's equal as

628
00:23:41,744 --> 00:23:43,765
far as difficulty. In this country,

629
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,140
it is,

630
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:47,519
without a doubt, the most difficult,

631
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,000
structure that was ever built the lighthouse built

632
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,859
in the country. In addition to to

633
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,119
being out there, it's it's eight, whatever, miles,

634
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,099
6.5.

635
00:23:57,654 --> 00:24:00,535
It's not like it's rippling tiny waves to

636
00:24:00,535 --> 00:24:02,055
get down there. You have to take the

637
00:24:02,055 --> 00:24:04,775
ships. They cannot write to build it, and

638
00:24:04,775 --> 00:24:07,115
they can sometimes not land or they cannot

639
00:24:07,494 --> 00:24:09,654
Well, they can never They never could land

640
00:24:09,654 --> 00:24:10,380
any ship

641
00:24:11,180 --> 00:24:12,720
near the rock. What they did

642
00:24:13,019 --> 00:24:14,400
is once they got people,

643
00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:16,880
workmen on there, they created a

644
00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:19,420
a cable trolley system and attached to the

645
00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:21,259
mast of a ship that was anchored about

646
00:24:21,259 --> 00:24:22,880
three half, 400 feet away.

647
00:24:23,394 --> 00:24:25,954
And they used a conveyance between the ship's

648
00:24:25,954 --> 00:24:27,174
mast and the lighthouse

649
00:24:27,555 --> 00:24:29,255
running workmen back and forth

650
00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:32,115
as they were constructing the lighthouse blasting rock

651
00:24:32,115 --> 00:24:34,115
off and, you know, making a surface in

652
00:24:34,115 --> 00:24:35,795
which to build build the lighthouse and so

653
00:24:35,795 --> 00:24:37,079
on. In like a zip line that they

654
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,160
would try to mount it? Basically. It would

655
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,759
hold six people at a time. And it

656
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:42,759
was made of rope, though. There was, I

657
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:44,700
think, cable. Oh, it was a cable. Yeah.

658
00:24:44,919 --> 00:24:45,819
But it was

659
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,759
they, I think they lost only one life

660
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:50,945
in the construction of the lighthouse. They lost

661
00:24:50,945 --> 00:24:52,945
several more later over the course of its,

662
00:24:53,265 --> 00:24:53,984
service. But,

663
00:24:54,865 --> 00:24:56,484
it was a it was a dangerous,

664
00:24:57,664 --> 00:25:00,404
a dangerous place to work. And and, Ballantine,

665
00:25:00,545 --> 00:25:01,605
who was the engineer,

666
00:25:01,904 --> 00:25:03,960
learned a lot of lessons from working at

667
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,119
Tomahawk because they had the same problem. They

668
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,539
had to rent a conveyance back and forth.

669
00:25:08,919 --> 00:25:10,919
They also had people camping on the rock

670
00:25:10,919 --> 00:25:12,380
because at the time, it was,

671
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,480
they started construction. It was over a 120

672
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,025
feet high. They blasted it down 89

673
00:25:18,404 --> 00:25:19,204
feet, but they,

674
00:25:20,005 --> 00:25:21,464
they, had they had

675
00:25:22,085 --> 00:25:23,684
a, major storms out there where they were

676
00:25:23,684 --> 00:25:25,365
marooned out there, and the waves are going

677
00:25:25,365 --> 00:25:27,525
over the top of the rock and almost

678
00:25:27,525 --> 00:25:29,819
lost all the construction workers because of the

679
00:25:29,819 --> 00:25:31,339
bad weather, and the ship couldn't get anywhere

680
00:25:31,339 --> 00:25:32,779
near it. I would love to be out

681
00:25:32,779 --> 00:25:34,220
there with that kind of a storm tied

682
00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:36,299
to a big reef or a pipe. Now

683
00:25:36,299 --> 00:25:37,819
what is it built on? I've heard what

684
00:25:37,819 --> 00:25:40,059
is a bizarre like, dragon something? Is it

685
00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:41,595
They call it the Dragon Rocks.

686
00:25:42,075 --> 00:25:44,714
Dragon Rocks. I think, was it the George

687
00:25:44,714 --> 00:25:46,234
Vancouver named the lighthouse

688
00:25:47,034 --> 00:25:47,595
named the,

689
00:25:48,154 --> 00:25:48,815
the reef.

690
00:25:49,755 --> 00:25:51,994
But each, each of the major rocks has

691
00:25:51,994 --> 00:25:54,554
a name now. Saint George, we have flat

692
00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:57,170
houses built on Northwest Seal Rock, and that

693
00:25:57,170 --> 00:25:59,570
is at the very bitter end of Saint

694
00:25:59,570 --> 00:26:01,009
George's Reef or if you wanna call them

695
00:26:01,009 --> 00:26:02,789
the Dragon Rock, same same difference.

696
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:05,570
And they wanted to build it at the

697
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:06,950
furthest out because,

698
00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:08,150
otherwise,

699
00:26:08,849 --> 00:26:11,475
you could build the lighthouse inland at another

700
00:26:11,475 --> 00:26:13,634
rock and it could still hit the Oh,

701
00:26:13,634 --> 00:26:15,394
so I guess the furthest out I was

702
00:26:15,394 --> 00:26:17,234
wondering because you don't see a lot of

703
00:26:17,234 --> 00:26:19,075
rocks. You see some left and right, but

704
00:26:19,075 --> 00:26:20,595
I guess you see more when it's the

705
00:26:20,595 --> 00:26:22,835
low tide. Yes. And there's several of them

706
00:26:22,835 --> 00:26:24,759
that are are not seen, that are below

707
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:26,759
the surface, but enough to tear the whole

708
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:27,960
lot of a ship. That's what happened to

709
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,700
brother Jonathan. Yeah. It had an uncharted rock

710
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,599
Oh. Along the side of that. I think

711
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,500
it's now called Jonathan Rock. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

712
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:37,319
Well So how tall is it again? You

713
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:38,920
said a hundred and seven? Hundred and forty

714
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,454
six. A 146.

715
00:26:40,454 --> 00:26:42,954
Wait. The caisson that it's built on is

716
00:26:43,015 --> 00:26:43,595
is seventy

717
00:26:44,055 --> 00:26:46,454
seventy. And then the tower is another 74

718
00:26:46,454 --> 00:26:49,515
feet or 76 feet. Wow. Now

719
00:26:49,974 --> 00:26:51,329
So so the rock was

720
00:26:51,809 --> 00:26:54,450
98 feet, and so now you took 30

721
00:26:54,450 --> 00:26:55,990
feet off? No. No. That's Tomacrock.

722
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:58,690
Tomacrock went from one twenty down to 89

723
00:26:58,690 --> 00:27:01,429
feet. But ours was 54 feet.

724
00:27:01,890 --> 00:27:04,690
Okay. And they blasted down. And it's roughly

725
00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:05,750
17 feet.

726
00:27:06,664 --> 00:27:08,664
And and and to to in order to

727
00:27:08,664 --> 00:27:10,505
to create a surface that they could build

728
00:27:10,505 --> 00:27:12,684
on. Right. Yeah. Was it kind of,

729
00:27:13,144 --> 00:27:15,384
like, steep that they couldn't? So they have

730
00:27:15,384 --> 00:27:18,025
now they did that not because it was

731
00:27:18,025 --> 00:27:20,049
easier because they had a flatter. Stone. They

732
00:27:20,049 --> 00:27:22,289
have flat surface. It's an inverted pyramid the

733
00:27:22,289 --> 00:27:23,890
way the thing's built. I mean, they they

734
00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:26,849
actually locked in the the case on built

735
00:27:26,849 --> 00:27:27,349
around,

736
00:27:28,289 --> 00:27:30,529
the stone that that they they actually locked

737
00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:33,194
the stones into the the rock themselves. So

738
00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:34,095
how many stones?

739
00:27:34,795 --> 00:27:36,095
About 1,400.

740
00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:38,414
1,400 stone blocks. 1,400

741
00:27:38,634 --> 00:27:41,275
massive granite blocks. How big is the biggest

742
00:27:41,275 --> 00:27:42,974
block? 17 tons.

743
00:27:43,595 --> 00:27:44,734
I get it was all

744
00:27:45,899 --> 00:27:49,279
conveyed by the table or whatever. Yeah. Well,

745
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,819
they had, they had steam equipment out there

746
00:27:51,819 --> 00:27:52,700
that would pull the,

747
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:55,259
the, stones off the the,

748
00:27:56,139 --> 00:27:57,899
the barges or whatever that they hauled the

749
00:27:57,899 --> 00:27:58,799
stones out.

750
00:27:59,384 --> 00:28:01,144
Most of them were, I think, in the

751
00:28:01,144 --> 00:28:02,525
two, two and a half ton,

752
00:28:03,785 --> 00:28:04,285
size.

753
00:28:05,065 --> 00:28:05,305
But,

754
00:28:06,664 --> 00:28:08,765
I don't have a breakdown on, you know,

755
00:28:08,825 --> 00:28:11,320
how many stones of each weight, but the

756
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,380
largest was 17

757
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,160
Yeah. And the smallest was was two two

758
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,759
two two and a half tons. No. So

759
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,000
the 17 is that's one ship. Right? I

760
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,940
mean, do or is it Yeah. One

761
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,600
one rocket ships that that fits on one

762
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,085
ship? Right. Jeez. Wow. Wow. Wow. And they

763
00:28:27,085 --> 00:28:28,845
were dry fitted on shore. You know, they're

764
00:28:28,845 --> 00:28:30,605
all numbered and so forth, so they lock

765
00:28:30,605 --> 00:28:32,845
together like a jigsaw puzzle. Yeah. How cool

766
00:28:32,845 --> 00:28:35,404
is that? Folks, time flies when we're having

767
00:28:35,404 --> 00:28:38,125
fun. It's already that mid break time here

768
00:28:38,125 --> 00:28:40,045
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769
00:28:40,045 --> 00:28:40,545
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770
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:42,839
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771
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772
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773
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774
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776
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777
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778
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780
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781
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heard Nick was on Curry Cafe the other

782
00:29:09,375 --> 00:29:10,410
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783
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784
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786
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787
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788
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789
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790
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791
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792
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793
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794
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795
00:29:39,009 --> 00:29:40,390
Home Health. Okay.

796
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So Home Health Services. Coastal Home Health and

797
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Hospice. Oh, okay. So that's worse than Saint

798
00:29:46,369 --> 00:29:47,169
George I just

799
00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:48,470
Lighthouse

800
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:49,269
Preservation

801
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:50,230
Society.

802
00:29:51,784 --> 00:29:54,744
And lastly, my dear co host, doctor Gigi

803
00:29:54,744 --> 00:29:57,164
Reed and yours truly, Jacques Kepner. On behalf

804
00:29:57,224 --> 00:29:58,284
of KCIW,

805
00:29:58,984 --> 00:30:01,625
thanks to all of you. Now let me

806
00:30:01,625 --> 00:30:04,184
get up here and ask real quick. Again,

807
00:30:04,184 --> 00:30:07,330
it cost back in the day over $800,000?

808
00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:08,609
752,

809
00:30:08,609 --> 00:30:11,430
I think, is what it was. Wow. And

810
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:13,509
that's a huge amount of money,

811
00:30:13,890 --> 00:30:18,049
in comparison today. That's multi multi millions. 21

812
00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:20,674
or 30,000,000, something like that. I I checked

813
00:30:20,674 --> 00:30:23,095
at one point in converting the dollars, but

814
00:30:23,315 --> 00:30:24,455
it's over 20,000,000.

815
00:30:24,674 --> 00:30:27,235
And so we we see enough rocks just

816
00:30:27,235 --> 00:30:29,154
visually as we walk along the shore. We

817
00:30:29,154 --> 00:30:30,615
often do in Crested City

818
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:33,109
and parts of Brookings, there's so many rocks

819
00:30:33,109 --> 00:30:35,210
out there and how this could

820
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:38,630
have shipwrecked. I mean, just tore up. We

821
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:40,549
understand how it could happen. And with the

822
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:43,684
tides going higher, that would be really Lousy

823
00:30:43,684 --> 00:30:45,525
weather. I mean, they they had fog. They

824
00:30:45,525 --> 00:30:46,565
had what they called,

825
00:30:47,845 --> 00:30:49,125
I'm trying to think of the word they

826
00:30:49,125 --> 00:30:49,924
used with,

827
00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:53,045
it would create a mist where you couldn't

828
00:30:53,045 --> 00:30:54,964
see anything, you know, from the waves. So

829
00:30:54,964 --> 00:30:56,669
this is during a storm. Yeah. And it

830
00:30:56,669 --> 00:30:59,149
was like a whiteout. A whiteout. Yeah. Wow.

831
00:30:59,149 --> 00:31:00,990
And the ship was overloaded, and,

832
00:31:01,549 --> 00:31:03,230
a lot of the sidewall steamers in that

833
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:04,369
area were underpowered.

834
00:31:05,389 --> 00:31:05,889
So

835
00:31:06,269 --> 00:31:08,904
here you got it overloaded, bad weather Full

836
00:31:08,904 --> 00:31:11,244
of people. And full of people and supplies.

837
00:31:11,545 --> 00:31:13,305
And, they're trying to get back to Crescent

838
00:31:13,305 --> 00:31:15,224
City because the weather was so bad. And

839
00:31:15,625 --> 00:31:17,545
But the the guy said go ahead. Go

840
00:31:17,865 --> 00:31:20,265
one of their the guys transported. Did they

841
00:31:20,265 --> 00:31:21,704
have gold on it or something? They had

842
00:31:21,704 --> 00:31:23,460
gold on it. A lot of gold, which

843
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:24,980
they have found in the meantime some of

844
00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:25,480
it.

845
00:31:26,099 --> 00:31:28,659
And, yeah, there's a lot of gold. Okay.

846
00:31:28,659 --> 00:31:31,880
Yeah. When why was it decommissioned and when?

847
00:31:32,339 --> 00:31:34,039
It was the last, lighthouse,

848
00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:37,140
on the West Coast that was manned by

849
00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:38,359
people, wasn't automated,

850
00:31:39,025 --> 00:31:41,924
and it was decommissioned in 1975.

851
00:31:43,744 --> 00:31:46,224
They did not attempt to, automate it. They

852
00:31:46,224 --> 00:31:47,184
decided to put a,

853
00:31:48,224 --> 00:31:51,045
a ocean a large ocean buoy out there

854
00:31:51,265 --> 00:31:52,325
to mark the reef.

855
00:31:53,890 --> 00:31:56,289
The reason why they, decommissioned was,

856
00:31:56,769 --> 00:31:58,150
a couple of reasons. One was

857
00:31:58,769 --> 00:32:02,289
most of the, shipping has gone westward a

858
00:32:02,289 --> 00:32:04,049
great deal, so they don't hug the coast

859
00:32:04,049 --> 00:32:05,650
like they used to. Yeah. They go farther

860
00:32:05,650 --> 00:32:07,750
out to sea. Right? Yeah. Much much further.

861
00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:09,595
GPS, of course, although

862
00:32:10,934 --> 00:32:11,434
in

863
00:32:12,294 --> 00:32:13,974
You're you're good. You're good. Yeah. G p

864
00:32:14,134 --> 00:32:14,634
GPS,

865
00:32:15,654 --> 00:32:17,894
at that time wasn't created yet, but,

866
00:32:18,454 --> 00:32:19,894
they were like I said, they were six

867
00:32:19,894 --> 00:32:20,394
miles,

868
00:32:21,014 --> 00:32:23,194
further west about with the

869
00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:24,470
with the,

870
00:32:25,009 --> 00:32:25,509
the,

871
00:32:26,049 --> 00:32:27,589
shipping lanes. And,

872
00:32:28,289 --> 00:32:30,690
the, lighthouse is the most expensive in the

873
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:32,289
West Coast to maintain. I mean, you had

874
00:32:32,369 --> 00:32:33,970
there was a four keeper light there, three

875
00:32:33,970 --> 00:32:35,029
on and one off.

876
00:32:35,585 --> 00:32:37,984
Wow. You know? Well, Crescent City itself has

877
00:32:37,984 --> 00:32:40,464
a lighthouse, which probably is only there for

878
00:32:40,464 --> 00:32:43,424
beauty or something. Battery point. It's a private

879
00:32:43,424 --> 00:32:45,585
aided navigation. They actually moved the light on

880
00:32:45,585 --> 00:32:47,345
the end of the breakwater, and and so

881
00:32:47,345 --> 00:32:49,025
that's when they quit. That was in the

882
00:32:49,025 --> 00:32:51,640
sixties that they they decommissioned that line, and

883
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,580
then they created a private aid in navigation

884
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,799
later. Oh, that's a great we have it's

885
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,440
Chris City built supposed to lighthouse. Was that

886
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,119
our money? Yeah. That because we created a

887
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,119
private aid in navigation out of Saint George

888
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:03,559
as well. You know, we've got light out

889
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:04,934
there too, which we're gonna fix.

890
00:33:05,628 --> 00:33:08,154
Really? How cool is that? Alright. Nice. Okay.

891
00:33:08,295 --> 00:33:09,914
Tell us about the future.

892
00:33:10,375 --> 00:33:12,455
Yeah. Right. Not now. Tower. When was the

893
00:33:12,455 --> 00:33:14,315
Saint George Reef Lighthouse Preservation

894
00:33:15,015 --> 00:33:18,215
Society founded and by whom? 1986

895
00:33:18,215 --> 00:33:19,434
by Guy Towers,

896
00:33:20,170 --> 00:33:22,750
and, he was the one that was responsible

897
00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:23,869
to save the lighthouse.

898
00:33:25,609 --> 00:33:26,009
And,

899
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:28,330
it took him about ten years to go

900
00:33:28,330 --> 00:33:30,730
through all the, bureaucratic, you know, the paperwork

901
00:33:30,730 --> 00:33:33,365
and so forth. 1996 was the first flight

902
00:33:33,365 --> 00:33:35,204
out. And then ever since, we've been working

903
00:33:35,204 --> 00:33:38,164
on getting it restored and getting it available

904
00:33:38,164 --> 00:33:39,765
for tours, which, of course, the two of

905
00:33:39,765 --> 00:33:41,365
you are gonna be going out there pretty

906
00:33:41,365 --> 00:33:42,585
soon and seeing the lighthouse.

907
00:33:42,964 --> 00:33:44,099
That'll be March.

908
00:33:44,259 --> 00:33:45,700
You know, February,

909
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:48,200
early March. Yeah. Mhmm. Wow. Now,

910
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:50,339
they when you said we flight the flight

911
00:33:50,339 --> 00:33:52,339
out there, do they land small planes out

912
00:33:52,339 --> 00:33:52,839
there?

913
00:33:53,619 --> 00:33:54,759
Small helicopters.

914
00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:57,460
Oh, darn it. Yeah. Yeah. They Not a

915
00:33:57,460 --> 00:33:59,319
runway. A plane might land once.

916
00:34:00,065 --> 00:34:01,904
If it hits the building, it'll never take

917
00:34:01,904 --> 00:34:03,984
off. Oh, I see. I see. Yeah. Now

918
00:34:03,984 --> 00:34:05,505
I gotta say one other thing before your

919
00:34:05,505 --> 00:34:09,905
your question's coming up. But it's a 146

920
00:34:09,905 --> 00:34:13,184
feet tall. Right. And the Frenzel lens is

921
00:34:13,184 --> 00:34:15,125
from France made the Right. Right?

922
00:34:15,469 --> 00:34:17,329
And at one point, waves

923
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:19,989
went over the top of the lighthouse and

924
00:34:19,989 --> 00:34:21,069
broke More than once.

925
00:34:21,469 --> 00:34:24,429
And broke through the glass Yes. Flooded the

926
00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:26,510
stairs of spirally stairs. Yeah. Water went down

927
00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:28,585
like a waterfall. Shaking the building all the

928
00:34:28,585 --> 00:34:30,525
way down the engine room. Yep. Oh

929
00:34:31,065 --> 00:34:33,704
my goodness. What mother nature And people were

930
00:34:33,704 --> 00:34:35,625
on there. Right? I interviewed the keeper that

931
00:34:35,625 --> 00:34:38,105
was out there when it happened. 1958?

932
00:34:38,105 --> 00:34:39,305
Wasn't it? 1952.

933
00:34:39,305 --> 00:34:41,244
Yeah. Oh, my god. He's now 93.

934
00:34:41,650 --> 00:34:43,969
My god. Can you imagine a wave because

935
00:34:43,969 --> 00:34:46,130
that was tsunami. Right? It's like tsunami. So

936
00:34:46,130 --> 00:34:47,489
he thought that we they thought they were

937
00:34:47,489 --> 00:34:48,849
at the farm. He he was sure the

938
00:34:48,849 --> 00:34:51,409
thing was gonna go over. Oh. Oh, wow.

939
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:53,829
Wow. Yeah. PTSD. I'm telling you. PTSD.

940
00:34:54,505 --> 00:34:57,005
So you're busy trying to preserve

941
00:34:58,025 --> 00:35:00,344
the monument. Yes. Right? So how much in

942
00:35:00,344 --> 00:35:02,264
a perfect world, how much money will it

943
00:35:02,264 --> 00:35:03,244
cost to restore

944
00:35:03,704 --> 00:35:06,025
this We're looking at the the work that

945
00:35:06,025 --> 00:35:09,210
we've got slated to go at this point

946
00:35:09,210 --> 00:35:10,349
is about 10,000,000.

947
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:11,389
I doubled

948
00:35:11,929 --> 00:35:14,090
it because there's always things you're not gonna

949
00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:16,570
find. You know, the stonework is in good

950
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:19,289
shape on the outside. May need some repointing,

951
00:35:19,289 --> 00:35:20,889
but, generally, it's in pretty good shape. At

952
00:35:20,889 --> 00:35:22,909
least this is what the consultant told us.

953
00:35:23,275 --> 00:35:25,594
The interior we have, it's lined with brick,

954
00:35:25,835 --> 00:35:27,675
in the stairwell and so forth. A lot

955
00:35:27,675 --> 00:35:29,675
of it's lead based paint. We're gonna have

956
00:35:29,675 --> 00:35:32,175
to, you know, be very careful about removing

957
00:35:32,235 --> 00:35:33,215
that. Wow.

958
00:35:33,914 --> 00:35:36,510
The the metal work is what's wasting away

959
00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:38,750
on the lighthouse, up around the lantern room

960
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:39,809
and some other areas.

961
00:35:40,269 --> 00:35:41,650
That needs to be rehabilitated.

962
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:44,190
The a lot of the floors and the,

963
00:35:44,829 --> 00:35:47,469
different levels are out of wood. They need

964
00:35:47,469 --> 00:35:48,050
to be,

965
00:35:49,494 --> 00:35:49,994
upgraded

966
00:35:50,454 --> 00:35:51,114
and replaced,

967
00:35:51,894 --> 00:35:52,954
plumbing, piping.

968
00:35:54,695 --> 00:35:55,195
PVC?

969
00:35:55,815 --> 00:35:58,135
Well, there'll be PVC now. Yeah. It was

970
00:35:58,135 --> 00:35:58,954
metal before.

971
00:35:59,414 --> 00:36:00,135
Yeah. But,

972
00:36:00,619 --> 00:36:01,980
you know, then we've got a a,

973
00:36:02,539 --> 00:36:04,940
we're gonna do a sanitation system there that

974
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:07,179
is compliant with the standards of today. I

975
00:36:07,179 --> 00:36:08,539
mean, it's not Do you have an outhouse

976
00:36:08,539 --> 00:36:10,960
out there right now? We haul it back.

977
00:36:11,099 --> 00:36:13,034
You know, that's all we gotta do. Yep.

978
00:36:13,034 --> 00:36:15,355
Oh my god. Die. Yeah. Well, we will

979
00:36:15,355 --> 00:36:17,194
make sure we, don't have to use the

980
00:36:17,194 --> 00:36:19,594
restroom. Yeah. Well, before, it it went out

981
00:36:19,594 --> 00:36:21,675
to the ocean. You know? That's like you

982
00:36:21,675 --> 00:36:23,994
know, that's what everybody did. That's right. But,

983
00:36:24,394 --> 00:36:25,829
you know, even though we're far enough out

984
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:27,190
that we might be able to get by

985
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:29,030
with it, we are being proactive about,

986
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:30,010
being

987
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:33,430
environmentally sensitive. So you think about $20,000,000.

988
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:34,250
And congratulations

989
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:37,190
on getting together with doc Belarde, who then

990
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:38,715
introduced you to Mike Barr.

991
00:36:39,675 --> 00:36:41,755
Amazing how you can get a this this

992
00:36:41,755 --> 00:36:43,114
thing needs to get a grant. Well, that's

993
00:36:43,114 --> 00:36:46,094
thanks to you. So You need this this

994
00:36:46,315 --> 00:36:49,355
preservation society really truly needs to be,

995
00:36:50,155 --> 00:36:50,655
funded

996
00:36:51,035 --> 00:36:53,401
in in great ways because it's so unique.

997
00:36:53,514 --> 00:36:55,049
For the future. Right? For the future. Yeah.

998
00:36:55,049 --> 00:36:55,549
Alright.

999
00:36:55,929 --> 00:36:56,750
So tell us

1000
00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:58,969
what is going on in a few weeks.

1001
00:36:58,969 --> 00:37:00,889
Yeah. Hell yeah. Well, in a few weeks,

1002
00:37:00,889 --> 00:37:02,489
we're gonna drag the two of you out

1003
00:37:02,489 --> 00:37:04,170
there to see the lighthouse. Oh, yeah. Well,

1004
00:37:04,170 --> 00:37:07,125
that yeah. We've got a, a video company

1005
00:37:07,125 --> 00:37:07,625
that

1006
00:37:08,005 --> 00:37:09,684
they do YouTube videos. They're,

1007
00:37:10,164 --> 00:37:12,324
coming out and spending a week out there

1008
00:37:12,324 --> 00:37:15,364
to create a, a film Woah. Okay.

1009
00:37:15,844 --> 00:37:17,844
A week. And while they're out there, we're

1010
00:37:17,844 --> 00:37:20,190
gonna be out there doing some work. And,

1011
00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:22,769
it's gonna give us an opportunity to finish

1012
00:37:23,309 --> 00:37:25,710
emptying out, junk that we wanna remove off

1013
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:28,609
the, the building and and so forth and

1014
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:31,070
also hauling out things that we need to,

1015
00:37:31,309 --> 00:37:32,289
start a rehabilitation.

1016
00:37:33,855 --> 00:37:36,335
And then on the weekend following the, work

1017
00:37:36,335 --> 00:37:36,835
party,

1018
00:37:37,375 --> 00:37:40,014
they'll be there from the February 22 to

1019
00:37:40,014 --> 00:37:40,255
the,

1020
00:37:41,695 --> 00:37:42,195
twenty

1021
00:37:42,974 --> 00:37:43,474
seventh,

1022
00:37:44,175 --> 00:37:46,094
the twenty eighth and twenty ninth or twenty

1023
00:37:46,094 --> 00:37:47,909
eighth and the March 1,

1024
00:37:48,469 --> 00:37:49,829
we are having a,

1025
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:53,210
a tour out there for two days.

1026
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:55,769
Wow. And, we've got it mostly

1027
00:37:56,949 --> 00:37:59,449
Pretty much booked. Pretty much booked, but we've

1028
00:37:59,589 --> 00:38:00,569
added a couple,

1029
00:38:01,429 --> 00:38:03,135
flights. So if anyone is interested,

1030
00:38:04,761 --> 00:38:06,735
call, area code, (707)

1031
00:38:06,735 --> 00:38:08,974
293-1905,

1032
00:38:08,974 --> 00:38:10,894
and we can give you the information about

1033
00:38:10,894 --> 00:38:11,554
the tour

1034
00:38:11,855 --> 00:38:12,414
and then,

1035
00:38:12,974 --> 00:38:15,534
take your money. And helicopter tours are on

1036
00:38:15,534 --> 00:38:18,034
Saturday, February 28 and Sunday,

1037
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,519
03/01/2026

1038
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,539
coming up in a few weeks. And,

1039
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,239
I see the prices dropped. A couple years

1040
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,920
ago when you did it, there was $4.95.

1041
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,559
Right? It was, I think you're $4.10. If

1042
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:30,920
I recall, I'd have to look. I think

1043
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,954
it was 49 yeah. I remember 495.

1044
00:38:32,954 --> 00:38:34,494
We we had actually,

1045
00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:36,335
the,

1046
00:38:38,715 --> 00:38:41,295
video company has been very generous about

1047
00:38:41,835 --> 00:38:43,835
getting us out there to start with. Cool.

1048
00:38:43,835 --> 00:38:45,855
And so part of the transportation

1049
00:38:46,394 --> 00:38:48,414
is gonna be taken care of. Now once

1050
00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:50,110
we gotta go back, we just gotta bring

1051
00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:52,510
everybody back. But at that price, we ought

1052
00:38:52,510 --> 00:38:54,429
to break even. Right on. You know, this

1053
00:38:54,429 --> 00:38:56,190
is such a cool thing. So that's right.

1054
00:38:56,190 --> 00:38:57,710
$395

1055
00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:00,030
per person to be to be flown out

1056
00:39:00,190 --> 00:39:01,869
So it's helicopter to him. What what is

1057
00:39:01,869 --> 00:39:02,369
that

1058
00:39:02,829 --> 00:39:05,375
movie YouTube thing going to be? It's not

1059
00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:07,454
a romance. Is it a documentary about No.

1060
00:39:07,454 --> 00:39:08,914
It's not a documentary.

1061
00:39:09,375 --> 00:39:10,094
I think it's,

1062
00:39:10,734 --> 00:39:12,494
got a little bit of a thriller aspect

1063
00:39:12,494 --> 00:39:14,255
to it, but he hasn't really explained it

1064
00:39:14,255 --> 00:39:15,534
to me, and I haven't asked. I'm just

1065
00:39:15,534 --> 00:39:16,734
so darn glad to get out there to

1066
00:39:16,734 --> 00:39:19,019
get some work done. And, you know, I

1067
00:39:19,019 --> 00:39:20,699
mean, he can do whatever he wants. You

1068
00:39:20,699 --> 00:39:22,780
know? Alright. Very cool. Oh, that is so

1069
00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:24,380
exciting. Yeah. I mean, it was right out

1070
00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:26,300
of the blue. So, you know, we've and

1071
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:27,980
we've had such a hard time finding a

1072
00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:30,219
helicopter. We've checked all the boxes, and this

1073
00:39:30,219 --> 00:39:32,444
one does. Yeah. In fact, the gentleman that's

1074
00:39:32,444 --> 00:39:33,744
gonna be hauling us out,

1075
00:39:34,844 --> 00:39:37,565
he, goes to all the different lighthouses in

1076
00:39:37,565 --> 00:39:38,065
Alaska

1077
00:39:38,684 --> 00:39:40,944
that are very in obscure places.

1078
00:39:41,484 --> 00:39:42,284
So so,

1079
00:39:43,404 --> 00:39:45,644
we very we're very fortunate to find this

1080
00:39:45,644 --> 00:39:47,950
guy. Cool. Yeah. You've that's been one of

1081
00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:49,470
your things that you've had trouble in the

1082
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:51,710
past Right. With being somebody that's up, up,

1083
00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:53,309
up, and up. Hey, listen. You could reach

1084
00:39:53,309 --> 00:39:59,470
out to them by email saintgeorgereeflight@gmail.com.

1085
00:39:59,470 --> 00:40:04,885
It's long, but it's saintgeorgereeflight@gmail.com.

1086
00:40:05,744 --> 00:40:07,824
Tell us about this raffle. What's going on

1087
00:40:07,824 --> 00:40:09,905
with the raffle? Well, we are doing a

1088
00:40:09,905 --> 00:40:12,385
fifty fifty raffle. And what that means is,

1089
00:40:13,184 --> 00:40:15,204
we sell we're gonna sell a 100 tickets,

1090
00:40:16,089 --> 00:40:18,510
at a $100 a piece. And then when

1091
00:40:18,889 --> 00:40:21,449
we sell all 100 tickets, we we pull

1092
00:40:21,449 --> 00:40:23,530
a name, and, they get half of the

1093
00:40:23,530 --> 00:40:24,030
take.

1094
00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:26,329
Wow. Because we hope they donate it back

1095
00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:27,550
to us. Right. Right.

1096
00:40:28,404 --> 00:40:30,724
A nice example. Disclosure. We we want it

1097
00:40:30,724 --> 00:40:33,125
all. Right. We But but but you are

1098
00:40:33,125 --> 00:40:36,105
entitled to half, which means that's $5,000.

1099
00:40:36,484 --> 00:40:38,164
Now if you wanna donate it back to

1100
00:40:38,164 --> 00:40:40,500
us, we'd be be, oh, so grateful. Yeah.

1101
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,340
There we go. That's Very cool. Now where

1102
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:43,860
do the people get a hold of the

1103
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:46,420
raffle thing? Well, you can call the number

1104
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:49,220
70729273.

1105
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:51,320
273-1905,

1106
00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:52,360
or,

1107
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:54,199
there is a place

1108
00:40:55,215 --> 00:40:55,715
in,

1109
00:40:57,055 --> 00:40:58,575
Crescent City. It's,

1110
00:40:59,215 --> 00:41:01,315
a, it's called Your Salon.

1111
00:41:02,575 --> 00:41:04,414
It's at 118

1112
00:41:04,414 --> 00:41:05,954
West Washington Boulevard.

1113
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:08,869
Your Salon, like most of you are. Okay.

1114
00:41:08,869 --> 00:41:11,030
And Dawn Harper is the proprietor, and she

1115
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:12,230
will have tickets there

1116
00:41:12,869 --> 00:41:13,369
Okay.

1117
00:41:13,989 --> 00:41:16,650
Tomorrow because I'm taking them to her. Cool.

1118
00:41:17,269 --> 00:41:19,690
We'll have tickets there to sell. Cool.

1119
00:41:20,594 --> 00:41:24,355
Website. You've got your own website, saintgeorgereeflight.org.

1120
00:41:24,355 --> 00:41:27,315
Yes. K. And Facebook, Saint George Reef Lighthouse

1121
00:41:27,315 --> 00:41:30,514
Preservation Society. Anything. Yep. Okay. Cool. Cool. I've

1122
00:41:30,514 --> 00:41:31,655
scolded him because

1123
00:41:32,514 --> 00:41:33,014
Alright.

1124
00:41:33,315 --> 00:41:33,815
Okay.

1125
00:41:34,619 --> 00:41:36,779
John Zimmerman, it's been a pleasure talking to

1126
00:41:36,779 --> 00:41:38,940
you, catching up. Interesting. Can't wait. Can't wait.

1127
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:41,579
And, hey, we are looking forward to good

1128
00:41:41,579 --> 00:41:43,179
news. Next time we have you on the

1129
00:41:43,179 --> 00:41:45,019
show, I hope it's gonna share a lot

1130
00:41:45,019 --> 00:41:47,359
of good news. You guys deserve a grant

1131
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:49,739
like no one else. It's really it's a

1132
00:41:49,739 --> 00:41:51,635
great thing. Hopefully, a good time. You've been

1133
00:41:51,635 --> 00:41:54,275
extremely generous allowing me to come on to

1134
00:41:54,275 --> 00:41:55,014
talk about,

1135
00:41:55,635 --> 00:41:56,454
our lighthouse.

1136
00:41:57,474 --> 00:42:00,054
And, we are gonna allow you to

1137
00:42:00,514 --> 00:42:02,295
fly back and not swim back.

1138
00:42:02,835 --> 00:42:03,335
Right.

1139
00:42:04,739 --> 00:42:06,340
We have talked to a bunch of fishermen

1140
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:08,260
who say it's the best fishing out there

1141
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:09,940
around that island. Yeah. Well, you if you

1142
00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:11,699
jumped in and swam back, you'd be the

1143
00:42:11,699 --> 00:42:13,559
best fishing for the local seals.

1144
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:14,099
So

1145
00:42:14,739 --> 00:42:16,219
The seals will get you. That's what I

1146
00:42:16,260 --> 00:42:18,039
Yeah. Give me a little snacky poo.

1147
00:42:18,655 --> 00:42:20,894
Really? K. What orch I heard Snack orch.

1148
00:42:21,055 --> 00:42:23,535
Else? No. Somebody said the sea lions would

1149
00:42:23,535 --> 00:42:25,295
get you. Right? Oh, yeah. And if they

1150
00:42:25,295 --> 00:42:26,515
don't, the orcas will.

1151
00:42:26,974 --> 00:42:29,155
Oh, my. He's looking at me like,

1152
00:42:29,615 --> 00:42:31,875
So be nice to the helicopter operator.

1153
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:34,340
Alright. Now it's,

1154
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,980
thank you, John, again for that interesting. Stick

1155
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:39,059
around for the next fifteen minutes or so

1156
00:42:39,059 --> 00:42:41,059
while we have a fun topic that doctor

1157
00:42:41,059 --> 00:42:43,780
Gigi have and I have enjoyed researching. And

1158
00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:47,059
you will be invited to, stay and chime

1159
00:42:47,059 --> 00:42:48,599
in on your own thoughts about

1160
00:42:49,014 --> 00:42:50,155
today's food,

1161
00:42:50,534 --> 00:42:53,275
f o o d. Haven't missed many meals.

1162
00:42:53,494 --> 00:42:55,514
Let's talk about what we eat

1163
00:42:55,815 --> 00:42:59,034
collectively, uniquely, nationally, internationally, regionally.

1164
00:42:59,815 --> 00:43:02,454
Doctor, you are European, born and raised in

1165
00:43:02,454 --> 00:43:05,090
German, right across the border from the French

1166
00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:06,130
German,

1167
00:43:06,510 --> 00:43:08,930
line? Yeah. I researched some European,

1168
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:12,670
dishes that were known. Okay. So first one

1169
00:43:12,670 --> 00:43:15,070
that I found was coq au vin. But

1170
00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:17,710
that's French. That's French. That was the French

1171
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:19,809
pronunciation too. I speak French, man. I'm shocked.

1172
00:43:21,734 --> 00:43:22,474
Means rooster

1173
00:43:22,775 --> 00:43:24,635
on wine. Has And it was

1174
00:43:25,014 --> 00:43:27,655
what it is actually so chicken, but really

1175
00:43:27,655 --> 00:43:30,775
it was a rooster. Chicken slowly braised in

1176
00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:32,074
red wine like burgundy

1177
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:34,840
with mushrooms, onions, and bacon.

1178
00:43:36,019 --> 00:43:36,840
And in France,

1179
00:43:37,219 --> 00:43:39,700
it's often eaten with a baguette, which we,

1180
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:41,400
of course, call French bread

1181
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:43,480
or with mashed potatoes.

1182
00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:45,400
Wow. Yummy. I mean, we

1183
00:43:45,824 --> 00:43:48,545
we eat similar stuff, but it really originates

1184
00:43:48,545 --> 00:43:50,545
there. How about Italy? What is there? What's

1185
00:43:50,545 --> 00:43:52,484
known there? In Italy Pizza?

1186
00:43:53,105 --> 00:43:56,144
Yeah. Pizza. So I've been to Italy and

1187
00:43:56,144 --> 00:43:58,224
a few at least, you know, forty years

1188
00:43:58,224 --> 00:44:00,420
ago or whenever. So I was all excited

1189
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,739
about their food. But what we

1190
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:03,860
eat

1191
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:05,059
as

1192
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,280
Italian food is not what they eat. They

1193
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,280
eat it to fill you up. So for

1194
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,260
example, lasagna

1195
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,824
is mostly noodle dough with something in there

1196
00:44:13,824 --> 00:44:15,424
so you fill that. But I wanna talk

1197
00:44:15,424 --> 00:44:17,045
about spaghetti carbonara,

1198
00:44:17,984 --> 00:44:20,704
which is pasta with eggs, cured pork, and

1199
00:44:20,704 --> 00:44:21,204
cheese,

1200
00:44:21,824 --> 00:44:25,105
and actually, it's without cream. We totally love

1201
00:44:25,105 --> 00:44:29,000
the creamy sauce. And originally, it doesn't contain

1202
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,920
any cream. Now that I may Can I

1203
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,760
ask you a question? Yeah. Where you were

1204
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,760
talking about in Germany, was that right across

1205
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,680
from Alsace Lorraine? Yes. Because that's where my

1206
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,140
great grandfather Yeah. Right there. Exactly. Okay. Strasbourg

1207
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:42,835
Strasbourg is right 15 kilometers. Hingleton.

1208
00:44:43,775 --> 00:44:46,494
Hingleton? Hinglington. Hinglington. Hinglington. Hinglington. Hinglington. That's the

1209
00:44:46,494 --> 00:44:48,494
village. That's near the castle that we we

1210
00:44:48,494 --> 00:44:50,994
passed going up to the Was it? Yeah.

1211
00:44:51,614 --> 00:44:52,494
Right. Okay.

1212
00:44:52,815 --> 00:44:54,655
Oops. Okay. Phone shut off there. I don't

1213
00:44:54,655 --> 00:44:56,500
have my facts and figures. Okay. I get

1214
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:58,300
to talk about Mhmm. My travels have been

1215
00:44:58,420 --> 00:45:00,760
Yeah. Through, the South of us,

1216
00:45:01,619 --> 00:45:02,920
in Mexico and

1217
00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:06,519
Middle America, Central America and South America. But

1218
00:45:06,739 --> 00:45:08,920
in Mexico, they have the chapulines.

1219
00:45:09,614 --> 00:45:12,735
Mhmm. Which are grasshoppers. They toast them. They

1220
00:45:12,735 --> 00:45:14,974
toast them or fry them. Actually, they're really

1221
00:45:14,974 --> 00:45:17,695
good. They're like a snack. You could eat

1222
00:45:17,695 --> 00:45:19,155
them in your hand. They

1223
00:45:19,534 --> 00:45:21,454
oh, they're so they they season them as

1224
00:45:21,454 --> 00:45:23,295
they bake them or roast them in a

1225
00:45:23,295 --> 00:45:25,170
hot pan And they season them and they

1226
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:27,409
come out crispy. They're phenomenal. They really are

1227
00:45:27,409 --> 00:45:29,109
good. They put them in tacos

1228
00:45:29,650 --> 00:45:30,150
and

1229
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:31,829
other things, especially

1230
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:34,309
in the land,

1231
00:45:35,170 --> 00:45:36,389
the region Ozaca.

1232
00:45:37,554 --> 00:45:39,574
So there we go. And then, eskamoles,

1233
00:45:40,594 --> 00:45:41,974
those are the ant larvae

1234
00:45:42,594 --> 00:45:45,235
that come out of the agave root. Yeah.

1235
00:45:45,235 --> 00:45:47,175
Alright. So they are eskamoles

1236
00:45:47,474 --> 00:45:50,295
are they're some kind called Mexican caviar.

1237
00:45:50,670 --> 00:45:52,349
But now they're a little bit weird because

1238
00:45:52,349 --> 00:45:54,210
they're a little creamy and nutty

1239
00:45:54,989 --> 00:45:57,630
buttery flavor, but they kinda pop when you

1240
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:59,309
eat them. Have you had them? I've had

1241
00:45:59,309 --> 00:46:01,309
them. Yeah. I've had them anywhere. They're all

1242
00:46:01,389 --> 00:46:03,230
Some grasshoppers are great because you can have

1243
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:03,889
the seasoning,

1244
00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:07,224
barbecue or or turkey. Calories, I'm guessing. Yeah.

1245
00:46:08,005 --> 00:46:09,684
Okay. Go into the how about Germany? What

1246
00:46:09,684 --> 00:46:11,945
is Germany at? Germany, what,

1247
00:46:12,565 --> 00:46:13,704
you know, the

1248
00:46:14,325 --> 00:46:15,684
the Internet thinks is,

1249
00:46:16,244 --> 00:46:18,105
worth mentioning is called which

1250
00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:22,289
translated means onion roast roast,

1251
00:46:22,909 --> 00:46:24,909
which is Onion roast roast? I mean, on

1252
00:46:24,989 --> 00:46:27,949
yeah. Onion roast. It's beef roast topped with

1253
00:46:27,949 --> 00:46:29,730
rich gravy and caramelized

1254
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:30,609
onions.

1255
00:46:31,389 --> 00:46:33,469
I might add that this would be eaten

1256
00:46:33,469 --> 00:46:37,155
with yummy sweet tangy red cabbage, yum yum,

1257
00:46:37,155 --> 00:46:38,775
and boiled baby potatoes.

1258
00:46:39,075 --> 00:46:40,835
So they only tell us about the meat,

1259
00:46:40,835 --> 00:46:42,195
but, you know, you have to have the

1260
00:46:42,195 --> 00:46:46,295
whole Well meal. Hey. And, okay. And Margarine.

1261
00:46:46,434 --> 00:46:47,095
In Spain

1262
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:50,050
in Spain, we know paella

1263
00:46:50,590 --> 00:46:53,329
Yeah. Which is saffron rice cooked with seafood,

1264
00:46:53,550 --> 00:46:55,969
chicken, and or rabbit plus vegetables,

1265
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:58,190
which is cooked, and that's why I chose

1266
00:46:58,190 --> 00:47:00,190
it, which is cooked as a one dish

1267
00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:01,905
food in a white shallow

1268
00:47:02,285 --> 00:47:03,905
pan, which is also called paella.

1269
00:47:04,285 --> 00:47:05,885
Hey, John. Would you like to have some

1270
00:47:05,885 --> 00:47:06,385
jumiles?

1271
00:47:07,244 --> 00:47:07,744
Jumiles

1272
00:47:08,125 --> 00:47:09,184
are strong tasting,

1273
00:47:09,485 --> 00:47:12,204
aromatic insects eaten with lime and salt, and

1274
00:47:12,204 --> 00:47:14,980
they're put into salsa. Yeah. So it's just

1275
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:15,420
a

1276
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:18,980
Why? Why would I do that? Why would

1277
00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:21,860
anybody do that? What do you eat? Food.

1278
00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:22,420
What is your

1279
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:24,519
Real food.

1280
00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:25,320
Like

1281
00:47:26,099 --> 00:47:26,599
Lobster.

1282
00:47:27,135 --> 00:47:28,974
There you go. Yeah. I find Probably one

1283
00:47:28,974 --> 00:47:30,255
of the best meals I ever had was

1284
00:47:30,255 --> 00:47:32,015
in Nova Scotia. I I went out to

1285
00:47:32,015 --> 00:47:33,614
a restaurant and they had lobster. They put

1286
00:47:33,614 --> 00:47:35,295
a bib around you and you give you

1287
00:47:35,295 --> 00:47:36,894
a hammer and away you go. Oh my

1288
00:47:36,894 --> 00:47:38,355
gosh. And Wow. Have butter.

1289
00:47:38,655 --> 00:47:39,554
Oh my god. Nice.

1290
00:47:40,369 --> 00:47:42,530
Soft. Have melted. Was it like all you

1291
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:43,269
can eat?

1292
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:45,670
Well, I give it a try.

1293
00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:47,910
Yeah. It was good. Give me a hammer.

1294
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:49,670
Yeah. Nice. If I had a hammer.

1295
00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:52,449
If I had a hammer, I had hammer

1296
00:47:52,449 --> 00:47:55,954
in the morning. In Austria, you guys, Austria

1297
00:47:56,015 --> 00:47:58,815
has Pretty good. Wiener Schnitzel. Wiener Schnitzel. So

1298
00:47:58,815 --> 00:47:59,954
that's that was German.

1299
00:48:00,255 --> 00:48:02,914
No. That's Vienna. What's good? Vienna Vienna Schnitzel

1300
00:48:02,974 --> 00:48:04,035
is Vienna Schnitzel.

1301
00:48:04,414 --> 00:48:06,594
It's breaded, fried veal, or pork

1302
00:48:07,135 --> 00:48:09,855
cutlet served with lemon pieces to be squeezed

1303
00:48:09,855 --> 00:48:12,160
over the schnitzel and potato balls. You know,

1304
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Gigi and I are mostly vegan with heavy

1305
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:14,980
vegetables.

1306
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:17,679
I beg because of that, I've lost a

1307
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:19,360
tremendous amount of weight. Yeah. And of course,

1308
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,119
I stopped drinking beer. So when you come

1309
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,119
down to our house, John, we're gonna I'll

1310
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:24,820
drink water. You guys drink beer.

1311
00:48:25,364 --> 00:48:26,324
I'll give you a ride home. You know

1312
00:48:26,324 --> 00:48:28,405
what? Well, I'm not gonna say no. Oh,

1313
00:48:28,405 --> 00:48:28,905
okay.

1314
00:48:30,324 --> 00:48:32,184
Alright. How about coconut grubs?

1315
00:48:32,724 --> 00:48:34,565
These are wonderful. They're big time in the

1316
00:48:34,565 --> 00:48:37,045
Central America. You already had that? Yeah. No.

1317
00:48:37,045 --> 00:48:39,045
Coconut I never had coconut grubs. They were

1318
00:48:39,045 --> 00:48:40,085
kinda gross. I didn't,

1319
00:48:40,510 --> 00:48:42,030
they're the ones that come out of the

1320
00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:44,769
palm, the coconut tree and they're kind of

1321
00:48:45,070 --> 00:48:46,750
they they pour in there. They're kind of

1322
00:48:46,750 --> 00:48:47,250
gross.

1323
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:50,530
But they marinate them in citrus

1324
00:48:50,989 --> 00:48:52,910
lime to kind of cook it like a

1325
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:53,410
ceviche.

1326
00:48:54,644 --> 00:48:56,565
If you go down to South America, now

1327
00:48:56,565 --> 00:48:58,405
this has been one of the gourmet meals

1328
00:48:58,405 --> 00:49:00,164
that I've had Mhmm. Multiple times and that

1329
00:49:00,164 --> 00:49:02,885
was in Bolivia where my brother currently lives.

1330
00:49:02,885 --> 00:49:03,844
Pedro. In the highland,

1331
00:49:04,405 --> 00:49:07,204
city of La Paz, the highest now the

1332
00:49:07,204 --> 00:49:08,804
highest city in the world actually with an

1333
00:49:08,804 --> 00:49:10,750
airport up there is Cay,

1334
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:13,690
which is, sounds like guy but Cay, C

1335
00:49:13,690 --> 00:49:15,069
U I, that's guinea pig.

1336
00:49:15,369 --> 00:49:17,929
And it is served in Bolivia, Peru, or

1337
00:49:17,929 --> 00:49:20,730
Ecuador, and it's a whole roasted or fried.

1338
00:49:20,730 --> 00:49:22,809
They they they take all the fur off

1339
00:49:22,809 --> 00:49:24,670
it. It's just a That's nice.

1340
00:49:25,934 --> 00:49:27,775
Wait a minute. The good thing is this

1341
00:49:27,775 --> 00:49:29,934
is even different. They often serve it with

1342
00:49:29,934 --> 00:49:31,934
the head and teeth still visible. They have

1343
00:49:31,934 --> 00:49:33,775
sharp teeth. They have sharp teeth. They roast

1344
00:49:33,775 --> 00:49:36,255
it. It comes it's considered a a traditional

1345
00:49:36,255 --> 00:49:37,934
highland meat, but that's what made me a

1346
00:49:37,934 --> 00:49:39,155
vegetarian treat.

1347
00:49:39,535 --> 00:49:41,075
It tastes like chicken.

1348
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:43,950
It's this show has taken a dive, man.

1349
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:48,010
Okay. I go to Ireland then. Oh, go

1350
00:49:48,010 --> 00:49:50,890
ahead. So Yeah. Ireland has a breakfast roll

1351
00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:53,230
which is a crusty, I mean deep fried,

1352
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:56,534
roll stuffed with eggs, sausage, bacon, and other

1353
00:49:56,534 --> 00:49:57,514
fry up items.

1354
00:49:58,135 --> 00:50:00,375
And isn't that something? Because this might be

1355
00:50:00,375 --> 00:50:01,914
the meal most

1356
00:50:02,214 --> 00:50:03,514
emulated by the American

1357
00:50:03,815 --> 00:50:06,934
diet. Right? The breakfast drinks? Right. Right. Bacon.

1358
00:50:06,934 --> 00:50:08,775
Yeah. It's all meat based with some people.

1359
00:50:08,775 --> 00:50:10,795
I know all our vegan listeners and vegetarians

1360
00:50:10,855 --> 00:50:12,295
are good. And it's really from Ireland. Who

1361
00:50:12,295 --> 00:50:15,070
would have thought? Right. How about Caldo de

1362
00:50:15,070 --> 00:50:15,570
Cardan?

1363
00:50:16,349 --> 00:50:19,150
Caldo de Cardan is served in Bolivia and

1364
00:50:19,150 --> 00:50:20,750
I have tried it. It's quite good and

1365
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:22,610
it is bull penis soup.

1366
00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:25,710
Right. Yeah. It says it's made with the

1367
00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:27,409
bull penis and the testicles.

1368
00:50:28,684 --> 00:50:29,585
And it is,

1369
00:50:30,605 --> 00:50:32,945
believed locally to boost strength and vitality.

1370
00:50:33,565 --> 00:50:36,125
Michael Gorse has tried it too. I mean,

1371
00:50:36,125 --> 00:50:37,905
we got a bunch of people. The

1372
00:50:38,284 --> 00:50:40,445
Caldo de Garda. You gotta try that one

1373
00:50:40,445 --> 00:50:41,105
day, John.

1374
00:50:41,789 --> 00:50:43,489
Okay. Moving on to Sweden.

1375
00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:47,390
Sweden has something Michael Gorse is laughing. We

1376
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:49,090
can hear it. So that's pretty cool.

1377
00:50:50,989 --> 00:50:53,090
Sweden makes something called katbola.

1378
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:56,824
Katbola. Katbola. But we call it Swedish meatballs.

1379
00:50:57,364 --> 00:51:00,324
They're small pan fried meatballs served with gravy

1380
00:51:00,324 --> 00:51:01,864
potatoes in lingonberry

1381
00:51:02,244 --> 00:51:04,724
sauce. And so they really actually Swedish meatballs

1382
00:51:04,724 --> 00:51:05,704
come from Sweden.

1383
00:51:06,085 --> 00:51:08,184
Wow. Cool. Well, there's hormigas

1384
00:51:08,565 --> 00:51:09,065
hormigas.

1385
00:51:11,045 --> 00:51:13,579
I'm not proficient in speaking that. It sounds

1386
00:51:13,579 --> 00:51:16,699
real. Translates from Colombia. It's from Colombia. That

1387
00:51:16,699 --> 00:51:17,680
literally translate

1388
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:19,519
to big butt

1389
00:51:20,059 --> 00:51:22,460
ants. And they eat these they're leafcutters. The

1390
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:23,840
leafcutter ants are big.

1391
00:51:24,425 --> 00:51:25,224
Yeah. Yeah. And they take them they take

1392
00:51:25,224 --> 00:51:26,905
the queens. They get the queens are in

1393
00:51:26,905 --> 00:51:28,425
a special they take the queens and they

1394
00:51:28,425 --> 00:51:28,925
toast

1395
00:51:29,224 --> 00:51:30,905
toast it and they eat them like peanuts,

1396
00:51:30,905 --> 00:51:33,565
which has a slightly smoky kinda,

1397
00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:35,969
nutty taste. They kinda crunch.

1398
00:51:36,929 --> 00:51:38,210
Do you have them? Have you had I

1399
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:39,730
have not tried them. By chance? No. My

1400
00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:41,489
brother John has said they're quite good, I

1401
00:51:41,489 --> 00:51:43,909
believe. Yeah. I thought you were so normal.

1402
00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:47,670
What else do we have? Alright. From England,

1403
00:51:48,369 --> 00:51:50,550
they they eat a lot of meat pies.

1404
00:51:51,074 --> 00:51:52,914
And actually, I lived in England, and so

1405
00:51:52,914 --> 00:51:55,954
they talk about this minced meat pies. And

1406
00:51:55,954 --> 00:51:57,175
I always thought

1407
00:51:57,954 --> 00:51:59,574
it was, like, with mint,

1408
00:52:00,114 --> 00:52:02,275
like, the mint flavor. And I always thought

1409
00:52:02,275 --> 00:52:04,195
this is really weird till I had one.

1410
00:52:04,195 --> 00:52:06,960
Minced meat really means just small cut like

1411
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,480
burger. It's little cut with gravy and and,

1412
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,159
vegetables. So it's They use venison too. They

1413
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,500
do. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Have you eaten venison?

1414
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,559
Yes. I have. Do you like it? Yes.

1415
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:21,300
They're pretty good. Mhmm. Not bambi killer.

1416
00:52:21,714 --> 00:52:23,155
I don't kill them. I just eat them.

1417
00:52:23,155 --> 00:52:24,135
Bambi killer.

1418
00:52:24,594 --> 00:52:27,014
Alright. If go ahead, doc. No.

1419
00:52:27,474 --> 00:52:30,034
Baby killer? Well, he eats venison. He eats

1420
00:52:30,034 --> 00:52:32,835
Bambi killer. Venison is just Bambi. I don't

1421
00:52:32,835 --> 00:52:35,719
kill Bambi. I eat Bambi. Yeah. Alright.

1422
00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:38,659
Dear. Okay. Make us laugh again. Okay. On

1423
00:52:38,659 --> 00:52:41,460
on a stranded stranded desert island, let's say,

1424
00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:43,940
like, well, not deserted island. I'll put it

1425
00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:45,859
like the Saint George Reef House, and they're

1426
00:52:45,859 --> 00:52:47,940
only gonna serve you three different foods in

1427
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:50,019
the entire world. What are you gonna order,

1428
00:52:50,019 --> 00:52:50,760
John Zimmerman?

1429
00:52:51,405 --> 00:52:52,545
Corn on the cob.

1430
00:52:52,925 --> 00:52:54,204
Order on the cob. It has to have

1431
00:52:54,204 --> 00:52:56,605
butter and salt. Right? Lots of butter. Yes.

1432
00:52:56,605 --> 00:52:58,844
Absolutely. I'd like to put two. K. Corn

1433
00:52:58,844 --> 00:53:00,065
on the cob. Yeah.

1434
00:53:01,244 --> 00:53:01,744
Fillet

1435
00:53:02,445 --> 00:53:03,505
mignon. Yeah.

1436
00:53:04,605 --> 00:53:05,344
With butter.

1437
00:53:05,724 --> 00:53:07,969
Oh, yes. And then a nice

1438
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:11,010
Yukon potato with sour cream.

1439
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:14,510
Oh, and German marlin onion and So that's

1440
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:16,269
what you would eat every day, or is

1441
00:53:16,269 --> 00:53:16,849
it just

1442
00:53:17,309 --> 00:53:19,070
that's what you would take? Oh, you should

1443
00:53:19,070 --> 00:53:20,485
just go a week. Okay.

1444
00:53:21,344 --> 00:53:23,105
How about you, doc? I think I would

1445
00:53:23,105 --> 00:53:23,605
take

1446
00:53:24,864 --> 00:53:25,364
bread.

1447
00:53:25,744 --> 00:53:28,405
Oh, yeah. Another German salad. Bread with cheese.

1448
00:53:29,265 --> 00:53:31,505
Sorry. We would we'd have breakfast in Germany

1449
00:53:31,505 --> 00:53:33,664
with her mother's sweet 86 year old mom.

1450
00:53:33,664 --> 00:53:35,250
She's 88. Reach 88.

1451
00:53:35,570 --> 00:53:37,909
Yeah. That's good too. We would have

1452
00:53:38,289 --> 00:53:40,769
not one, two, about three different varieties of

1453
00:53:40,769 --> 00:53:43,010
bread. Oh, I loved it. Well, that's why

1454
00:53:43,010 --> 00:53:44,769
I gained 20 pounds in drinking beer in

1455
00:53:44,769 --> 00:53:46,469
Germany. That was not a good thing.

1456
00:53:46,769 --> 00:53:48,630
I mean, how about sea urgent urgent,

1457
00:53:49,170 --> 00:53:50,630
urchins from Chile,

1458
00:53:50,929 --> 00:53:52,985
but it's just a certain part of that

1459
00:53:52,985 --> 00:53:54,905
sea urchins. How about the gonads? That's what

1460
00:53:54,905 --> 00:53:56,985
they eat. You have very gonads for them.

1461
00:53:56,985 --> 00:53:57,885
They eat them raw.

1462
00:53:58,505 --> 00:54:00,425
They sell them as a street snack and

1463
00:54:00,425 --> 00:54:01,085
in restaurants.

1464
00:54:01,465 --> 00:54:03,385
So I think I'm done with I mean,

1465
00:54:03,385 --> 00:54:05,650
they we could we could talk about the

1466
00:54:05,650 --> 00:54:06,150
marapano,

1467
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:08,369
which is an Argentina, which is a hot

1468
00:54:08,369 --> 00:54:10,050
dog where the sausage is like it's a

1469
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:12,369
blood sausage wrapped in cow intestines and then

1470
00:54:12,369 --> 00:54:14,390
served in a hollow of bread.

1471
00:54:14,929 --> 00:54:16,690
And it crunches a little bit when you

1472
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:20,344
eat. But you I like my Okay. European

1473
00:54:20,485 --> 00:54:22,644
things a little better. Me too. What other

1474
00:54:22,644 --> 00:54:24,164
what other foods? You get two. You get

1475
00:54:24,244 --> 00:54:24,744
Greece.

1476
00:54:25,125 --> 00:54:26,264
Greece has moussaka.

1477
00:54:26,965 --> 00:54:30,005
Wow. Moussaka is baked layers of eggplant, ground

1478
00:54:30,005 --> 00:54:33,119
meat, and a bechamel sauce. Wow. Baccamel. Very

1479
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:34,099
average. Baccamel.

1480
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,319
Bechamel. Do you know why the Greeks hate

1481
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:38,880
And it's like it's like what we think

1482
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:39,679
of of,

1483
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,420
a noodle less lasagna.

1484
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,974
Wow. Cool. Do you know why the Greeks,

1485
00:54:45,215 --> 00:54:48,755
hate the the dawn every morning? Why? Why?

1486
00:54:48,974 --> 00:54:51,155
Because dawn is tough on Greece.

1487
00:54:52,494 --> 00:54:54,434
You know when an Irishman goes on vacation?

1488
00:54:54,735 --> 00:54:56,355
Where? A different bar.

1489
00:54:59,190 --> 00:55:01,130
Don't get me going on the bar jokes.

1490
00:55:01,590 --> 00:55:03,130
Hey. We can start our

1491
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:06,150
fun Time corner. Okay. Well, I think the

1492
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:08,489
I think we we kinda made him sick.

1493
00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:11,349
Yeah. We can move on. He's a stomach

1494
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:13,255
in our conversation. But thank you for that,

1495
00:55:13,574 --> 00:55:16,534
dissertation on international food. No. Please thank you

1496
00:55:16,534 --> 00:55:17,175
for your weird,

1497
00:55:17,974 --> 00:55:19,974
quote on the other hand. Oh my goodness.

1498
00:55:19,974 --> 00:55:21,414
Let me look at my jokes here. I

1499
00:55:21,414 --> 00:55:24,235
got On unknown foods. Okay. Lobster.

1500
00:55:26,369 --> 00:55:28,210
Corn on the cob. I you all okay.

1501
00:55:28,210 --> 00:55:30,050
And a potato. That was your three. I

1502
00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:31,889
I I got away without saying, but I'm

1503
00:55:31,889 --> 00:55:33,670
not gonna say. Bull penis?

1504
00:55:35,409 --> 00:55:37,809
It doesn't. Did I just hear did you

1505
00:55:37,809 --> 00:55:39,349
hear that? Did you hear Michael

1506
00:55:39,965 --> 00:55:41,724
Corsa say bullpeter? I hope they didn't hear

1507
00:55:41,724 --> 00:55:43,505
it. I think they didn't hear it. Okay.

1508
00:55:43,644 --> 00:55:45,485
Alright. I'm gonna give a quote. Okay. I

1509
00:55:45,485 --> 00:55:47,085
have to divert this a little bit. That

1510
00:55:47,085 --> 00:55:49,164
was great. You got it. Poetry is a

1511
00:55:49,164 --> 00:55:51,885
way of taking life by the throat. I

1512
00:55:51,885 --> 00:55:53,219
have throat quotes.

1513
00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:55,780
Okay. Poetry is the way of taking life

1514
00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:58,440
by the throat. That's pretty good. Right?

1515
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:01,320
Doctor Gigi says that I have a scary

1516
00:56:01,619 --> 00:56:02,119
preoccupation

1517
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:03,239
with vengeance.

1518
00:56:04,179 --> 00:56:05,800
We'll just have to see about that.

1519
00:56:10,625 --> 00:56:12,405
Keep going. Oh, yes.

1520
00:56:12,864 --> 00:56:15,744
Scientists have recently discovered that protons actually have

1521
00:56:15,744 --> 00:56:16,244
mass.

1522
00:56:16,625 --> 00:56:18,164
Yep. I didn't know they were Catholic.

1523
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,920
Scientists say the universe is made up of

1524
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,780
protons, neutrons, and electrons.

1525
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:28,500
I think they forgot to mention morons.

1526
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:34,159
Hey, I'm currently boycotting any company that sells

1527
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:35,795
items that I can't afford.

1528
00:56:38,014 --> 00:56:39,695
Sean is just sitting there looking at me

1529
00:56:39,695 --> 00:56:40,514
going, okay.

1530
00:56:40,815 --> 00:56:42,734
Okay. What else? Come on. The throat is

1531
00:56:42,734 --> 00:56:44,114
the road. Speech

1532
00:56:44,574 --> 00:56:45,554
is its pilgrim.

1533
00:56:45,934 --> 00:56:47,635
That's very Wait. Say it again,

1534
00:56:47,934 --> 00:56:50,289
hon? The throat is the road. Speech

1535
00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:53,949
is Pilgrim. It's pretty deep. Right? That is

1536
00:56:53,949 --> 00:56:56,190
too cool. Doctor Gigi told me that I

1537
00:56:56,190 --> 00:56:58,369
better start watching my drinking.

1538
00:56:59,150 --> 00:57:00,589
So now I drink in front of a

1539
00:57:00,589 --> 00:57:01,089
mirror.

1540
00:57:03,565 --> 00:57:05,724
I think it's funny. I've heard it 5,000

1541
00:57:05,724 --> 00:57:07,885
times, but it's still funny. Oh, same as,

1542
00:57:07,885 --> 00:57:09,905
hey. If you don't pay your exorcist, John,

1543
00:57:10,925 --> 00:57:12,144
do you get repossessed?

1544
00:57:14,525 --> 00:57:16,869
Are we about done? Okay. Food

1545
00:57:17,730 --> 00:57:18,910
I hope.

1546
00:57:19,289 --> 00:57:20,789
Is food is not rational.

1547
00:57:21,329 --> 00:57:22,390
Food is culture,

1548
00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:23,349
habit,

1549
00:57:23,650 --> 00:57:25,349
craving, and identity.

1550
00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:28,130
Nice. I like it. Hey, John. There's a

1551
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:30,764
nudist camp going on in town next week.

1552
00:57:31,244 --> 00:57:33,085
You should go if you've got nothing going

1553
00:57:33,085 --> 00:57:33,585
on.

1554
00:57:36,125 --> 00:57:38,144
He usually laughs, but not today.

1555
00:57:38,764 --> 00:57:40,764
Alright, Don. Know. I was so shocked over

1556
00:57:40,764 --> 00:57:42,464
what you have tried to eat.

1557
00:57:43,565 --> 00:57:46,079
It's true. I did try. Okay. Each of

1558
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:49,200
us, one quote, one joke. Soul soul food

1559
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,320
is our personal passport to the past. It's

1560
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,800
much more about heritage than it is about

1561
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,880
harmony. Okay. We can just go with slide

1562
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,680
59, four fifty nine. Okay. Quote, one more

1563
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,635
joke. Oh, I don't have one. Okay. One.

1564
00:58:01,635 --> 00:58:02,934
Let's go. K. Alright.

1565
00:58:03,394 --> 00:58:04,914
Do you know what the what the leading

1566
00:58:04,914 --> 00:58:07,255
cause of dry skin is? What? Towels.

1567
00:58:08,914 --> 00:58:09,735
Hey, everybody.

1568
00:58:10,275 --> 00:58:12,675
Sorry about this fun show. We had fun.

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You have been listening to Doc and Jack

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on KCIW

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one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.

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We hope you enjoyed our show,

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The Irregardless,

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as much as we have, learning about the

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Saint George Reef Lighthouse with John Zimmerman. Right

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on. That is And about the different and

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about about foods that he loves. You gotta

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try them, John. I'm telling you. You're when

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when you come over, we'll try them out.

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Thanks,

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peace of prosperity,

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everybody out there. Thanks again to Linda Bosak

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who's out there listening. And, of course, Michael

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Gorth. Michael Gorth. You got me, man. It's

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the first time ever anybody's interrupted by Zane

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Wolfie.

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Wow.

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Okay, man. Let's, we don't need to talk.

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Bye bye.