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Mhmm. And a documentary guy. He does so
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Metal? Oh my gosh.
Medical doctor who is also,
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You are you were a university professor and
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You're also an artist, which I wanted to
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She is also
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Off the charts. Off the charts. Okay. And
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hospice physician? Oh, yes. We gotta say that.
Doctor Gigi,
what medical marvels do you have for us
today on this week's health segment of MD
Well, very kind introduction. Thank you. You're looking
really good too.
I like it. They're pretty. Wow. Woah, boy.
Today, we will discuss yet another one of
your
James Kepner's
suggestions when you ask what the heck is
in the human throat
and what is it all about? Well, James
is your old boyfriend. I'm Jacques. Jacques. Okay.
Well, the throat doctor is humanity's
great hallway, is it not?
It swallows food, it laughs and it speaks
poetry. It does. Thank you. So we can
move on.
Where would we be without it?
We would probably be mute and malnourished
and mourning the loss of
karaoke.
Yeah. Alright. So respect the throat. Okay. We
do. That slim squishy corridor between our brain
and belly, the unsung hero of existence.
Oh noble throat,
the slender bridge of life's symphony.
Through you
what we gonna say?
Through you,
glide words and laughter and soup alike.
Our guest is gagging on my words.
You our dreams,
you gulp pride, and you oftentimes
choke on the truth.
Without you, silence would rule, doctor. No sound,
no snacks, no sweet confessions.
Well said, my talkative team mate. The throat.
Oh,
your turn. Alright. So the throat also called
the pharynx.
Pharynx? Like the pharaoh? Pharynx. Oh. Not the
far neck. Shoot. The pharynx. Again. It's a
crowded piece of real estate in our body.
Yet, most of us only notice it when
we say, I have a sore throat. Yeah.
That's true. Behind
every time we swallow, bite, or speak, as
you so poetically said, the short stretch of
anatomy is running a complex and finally timed
operation.
The throat
or pharynx is a vital crossroads where breathing,
eating,
speaking,
and fighting infections all come together.
Do you know why cannibals don't swallow clowns?
Why? Because they taste funny.
Alright.
K. Let's go back to my pharynx. Let's
divide the busy corridor into several regions, each
with its own row. So at the top
lies the nasopharynx.
Woah. So the nasal No. Throat
Yep. Tucked behind the nose Okay. Where air
first enters its way toward the lungs. Okay.
Just below the,
just below is the oropharynx,
like the mouth throat. Nasopharynx.
Nasopharynx. What does oral mean? Mouth. Oh, oral
like oral. Duh. Yeah. Oral and then nasopharynx.
First the nasal, then nasal throat, then the
mouth throat. And that's when when we say
to the patient, say ah. Oh, open your
mouth and say Yeah. Open the mouth and
say, ah. And so that's when the tongue
gets depressed, and we see the oropharynx.
That's what we see then behind there. And
the little I've got a tongue depressor. If
you wanna try it on me. And that's
why well, you know the little dingly, the
uvula we see there too. Okay. You open
your mouth and then say, oh, I'd say,
ah, Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Didn't get that. Alright.
So in the oropharynx,
air, food, and liquids all pass through the
same space.
So now we have to have the daring
feet of biological
traffic control. Wow. How cool is that? So
below that, beneath that, we have the hypo
Alright. Pharynx or the lower throat. Hypo below.
Hypo below. Hyper is above.
Hyper above, hypo below. That's what forms the
final stretch before this shared pathway
splits.
The air turns toward the windpipe
and the lungs and the food and drink
heading for the food tube and stomach. Wow.
So it's doing taking everything in from Yeah.
Care, milkshakes.
So we don't wanna get food in our
airway. Right? So guarding that airway is the
larynx
or we call it the voice box. I
got I'm glad you're larynx. It's not larynx,
by the way. It's larynx. I had a
friend named larynx. Larynx. Larynx. Well, it's close
enough. So we call it we just say
the voice box. Okay. The voice box. So
this is a small cartilage frame structure
that has double duty. Wow. It must. It
has it houses the vocal cords. We talked
about the vocal cords one, twice
that vibrate to make our voice exactly.
And it forms the upper gateway
off the windpipe. We better get going. Our
guest over here is.
He's yawning over here. Okay. Last week,
doctor, last week, I got a few tests
done. Mhmm. And today, I got back the
results. Yeah. Yep. One was a COVID test,
and it's really weird. But right beside that
COVID test, it just had a number 50
to next to it. Right? That's weird. Right?
Yeah. I also got my IQ results,
test results back. Yeah. It says positive next
to it. It's weird.
Alright. That's funny. It's not bad. Right? Okay.
Our guest didn't laugh. Jinx.
We are right on time. Right? Okay. What
else? Sitting above the larynx,
sits something called the epiglottis. The glottis is
actually a little hole, and
the epiglottis is something that closes on the
hold, and that's called the epiglottis. You can
think of it as kind of like the
beer stein, the little flexible
thing that you can open the lid for.
That's how Oh. See it. That's a flexible
flap that snaps down all over the larynx
every time we swallow. Otherwise, we would
swallow food And then get into our lungs.
Into the lungs. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So which
with each bite of a sandwich or a
sip of beer,
the epiglottis quietly prevents disaster, steering food away
from the lungs and into the food pipe,
which is the esophagus. And of course, you'd
bring a beer because you're German and of
course a stein. I haven't seen them. In
Germany, we saw those, right, the steins that
had the little tin cap or it's made
made of cheap metal. Yeah. I think tin.
Yeah. I think that's interesting.
Well, speaking of beer, a skeleton folks walked
into a bar and he went up to
the bartender and he said, give me a
beer
and give me a mop.
And he had the Irish accent. Well, I
don't know.
Okay. It's my last joke as well.
So we're keep going on either side of
the oropharynx.
Remember what we say when we say oropharynx?
Oral is oral. Okay. The mouth. Yep. Mouth,
throat.
Stands, or on each side are the tonsils.
And we all know who have had children
who have endured strep throat or tonsillectomies
or tonsillitis,
those are the things
that get thick and tender, and that's part
of our sore throats. Okay. So these small
lumps, the tonsils are part of the immune
tissue. They hang down, I thought. No. That
No. They're on the side. No. We What's
the part that hangs it down? Those two
weird things.
The adenoids, they're a little higher up. Do
you usually, we don't see them. Yeah. Oh,
I see. Tonsils that you see Yeah. Are
on the side. So the adenoids are further
up. Can you see them from the the
top? I mean, looking down some of his
voice, the voice box or
Yeah. No. You see the ad notes are
really hardly ever visible. But you could put
a mirror in there. Right? Yes. So then
you can Doctors looking to see a mirror
down the side. Yeah. Not the normal doctors,
but some maybe. Have you? ENTs. No. Oh,
okay. So what they do is they sample
all of them, the adenoids and the tonsils.
They sample the incoming germs from the air
and say, oop, this is a bad guy
or this is a good guy. And we
we better make antibodies against it. And so
they sound the alarm
and our immune system starts.
K. Got it. So the all those that
the the tonsils, the immune parts, they can
become infected and painfully swollen,
but they are our frontline defensive role, especially
in childhood.
However so this is interesting if, I had
strep throat one time that I know of.
And I looked I took a picture on
my little
phone here and it looked just horrid because
the tonsils were the very
Hugo
red and white dots on it. That is
the hallmark
of streptorosis. Did you know that dolphins have
tonsils too? I found that found that very
interesting. They do? I haven't researched it yet,
but I'm sure they do. Because, scientists have
discovered that dolphins are so smart. They are
indeed.
They can quickly teach humans to stand on
the edge of a pool and feed them
fish. They could train us. It's no problem.
Okay. Okay. What next? Just tiny little more
because we're still having more. We have
once we swallow, we divide
the food from the air.
We go down the esophagus, which is the,
I should say, the air goes in the
front of the throat, basically. Gotcha. And the
food goes in the back. So that's the
esophagus.
That's all I wanted to say that we
have two lines going down in the neck.
The front is the air, the back is
the food. Cool. That was excellent. Wonderful. About
the throat, you know, think about it next
week. What should we talk about? I mean,
parts of the we haven't done an eyeball
yet, have we? No. Okay. Maybe we'll have
to do that, talking about the eyes. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you for that, doc.
Have you been watching any of the Olympics,
John? Have you watched any Olympics every shake?
No. We don't have TV. So We watched
a little bit the other day, right? We
were we don't have TV, but we Wait.
Where did we watch it? Oh, that Oh,
that that other girl. Damn it.
Oh, shoot. Alright. Wait a minute. Okay. Thank
you.
I recently entered the, speaking of, the Olympics,
I recently entered the world kleptomaniac
championship.
I did. And I took the gold, silver,
and the bronze.
Okay.
Alright.
Let's see. Prologue.
Good afternoon friends and welcome back.
We haven't been anywhere
to this edition of Doc and Jacques Radio
Show on k c k c I w,
KZZH, and KFUG coming to you from this
wild stretch of coastal magic along the Northern
Coast Of California and Southern
Coast Of Oregon. Today's guest
has been on this show multiple times and
has become a friend of ours because he
is just a nice guy. He really is.
When we're together, when we've been out to
dinner, we've been
a little more informal places.
He laughs like hell at my jokes. He
does. He's When nobody else is listening. He's
slapping his keeps slapping his knee. Your wife's
paying me.
Slapping his knee, guffeling. Hey. What a great
joke, Jack. Toasting. Oh my god. Alright. But
our guest also holds a very interesting position
in a five zero one C3
nonprofit
organization. It's a nonprofit
that serves our community
in more ways than one,
in a different way because it represents a
it's a monument. It's a monument that we
have right off our shores
of both
Brookings and Crescent City and beyond. You see
this monument.
Well,
I'll I'll just let him take over. But
John Zimmerman
is the president of this
monument thing that you're going to find out
more. You're going to hear directly from his
voice, his voice, his throat,
and what he represents. Hint,
it's a tall building
seven miles out to sea that you can
see on a clear happy day. Do we
know what that might be? Alright. That's enough
for me. Okay. Today's show is a special
treat. Welcome, John Zimmer. John Zimmer, thank you
for coming back to our show even though
you have to laugh at his jokes.
Darn right. He ain't gotten a bill yet.
John Zimmerman, give us the skinny. Where were
you born and raised?
Oh, I was born in Portland, Oregon
in 1957.
So I'm an old fossil.
Alright. And I was raised there. Okay. What
brought you here then?
Well,
after I graduated from Oregon State, I moved
to California
for thirty five years, lived in Sonoma County
as a landscape contractor, and then I retired
and wanted to move back to Oregon, so
I moved to Brookings. I didn't wanna go
back to a big city. I know. That's
why I had done You're a beaver? Former
beaver? I am. I don't know. Wow.
Okay. So
now Jacques here has been talking around the
hot dough,
hot what do you call it? Hot clue.
I haven't given any clues. Yeah. Okay. Okay,
John. It's up to you. What is your
title and position?
I'm the president of the Saint George Reef
Lighthouse Preservation Society. Woah. That's a mouthful. And
we are trying to
restore the lighthouse off the coast of Crescent
City. It's six and a half miles across,
the water from, Pointe Saint George.
Wow. And Saint George Pointe is the one
that's kinda down near the Crescent City,
airport. Right? Right. Exactly. Up beyond that. And
yet, our friend Ray, when we've been over
at his house, he sits right on a
cliff up here north of town. Oh, he's
In Brookings. Yeah. And he has a telescope.
You could see it perfectly
out there. It's we have one of the
best pictures taken from that distance, and I
gotta say that's more like 13 or 14
miles. Oh, close to 20. Oh, really? Oh,
yeah. That looks really good. Sweet. You know,
my nephew was here the other month with
his wife,
and we went to the Point Of Saint
George, and it was so clear. It was
so beautiful, and it was it was night
almost, but we could the sun was going
down. We could see Saint George
Reef Lighthouse
wonderfully, and we were showing it off. Oh,
look. And they said, yeah. We were wondering
what that is. What is that? I mean,
if you don't know Right. And yeah. Right?
Nowhere to look and kinda And it it
was the worst thing because it's it's so
iconic. Right? But, I mean, if you didn't
You remember the first time you saw it?
I mean, about four or five years ago
when you moved here. I remember watching saw
it in Brookings. Amazing.
Oh my gosh. It was just a bear.
That. Alright. So, John, are you a volunteer?
Yes. You're a presidential
volunteer? Yeah. We're all volunteers. Yeah. The whole
organization,
although everybody on the board and,
and other people, we all volunteer our time.
How many people are on the board? There's
11. Well,
there's one that just stepped down, but we
we normally have had 11.
Well, I think boards are incredibly important, and
the bigger the board, the better. That's what
I think. I think, really, for it to
get more voices, get more people. Small.
So how you you were a landscape
person. What got you interested in lighthouses?
Well, when I was a
kid, we used to go down to Cannon
Beach, Oregon,
which is, about
95 miles
northwest of Portland.
And my cousin had a, cottage down there,
a couple cottages, and we used to rent
one of them every spring vacation.
And just
on the
northwest corner of her property, you can see
Tillamook Rock Lighthouse offshore.
And,
ironic,
that the engineer that built Saint George Reef
Lighthouse,
he had just finished building Tillamook Rock, and
then he started Saint George.
Tillamook Rock, is it out in the water?
Or This is a mile and a half
offshore. Mile and a half? Yeah. Wow. Roughly
the same height as Saint George. A little
bit shorter, but,
it's, I think, a 133 feet, and Saint
George is a 146.
And so it's, like, similar plans of building
it? No.
Saint George, you see a low rock with
a large,
case on which the tower
is built upon that, whereas Tomac Rock had
a taller rock.
But the building is built,
it it the building itself is considerably shorter
than the tower at Saint George, probably
probably about fourteen, fifteen feet, and it it
goes, more
horizontal.
But, they both if you compare the height
of where the the light is Mhmm. Or
was,
they're roughly the same height, about 12 foot
difference. Very interesting. Well, that's the one we
couldn't see. Remember, we drove around Tillamook that
one time. We went up to Florence on
the way there, and we looked and just
couldn't find it. Is there is there a
point where you can just drive out and
everybody can see it? Well, you go up
to Ecola State Park, North of Cannon Beach,
and you Ecola. Ecola.
Oh, Ecola. Yep.
Oh, you're talking Tilam Tilamaug Rock. Oh, okay.
You're talking about Cape Mears, probably. Right down.
Yeah. Way down here. Okay.
Okay. Gotcha now. Drive down Hey. I did
some research and found that The United States
has the most lighthouses
of any country.
Sources consistently identified The US with about 700
active or standing lighthouses today,
outpacing others globally. I guess globally, there's I
think 17 or 18,000
lighthouses, so they play a big part.
I stay active because The US has built
1,500 lighthouses altogether,
peaking around 1910,
when the it peaked out then. At that
time, there were 850
operating
lighthouses. That's amazing. Now, that said,
I want you before you give the answer,
I do want to ask you
a question.
Please or just please tell all the audience
which of all the 50 states has the
most lighthouses. Is it Maine?
Is it Washington?
Is it California,
North Carolina,
or Florida? What is it? What are those
five? Michigan.
Michigan?
You mean the Great Lakes has more?
Michigan has the whole coastline. Is not even
on here. Yeah. Michigan is on Darn it.
I messed up. Lake Michigan and Lake Lake
Huron go on both sides of,
of, the state of Michigan, and they have
a I believe well, depends on who you
ask, but I've read a 118.
I've read also a 140.
Woah. Yep. Maybe one trip on one summer,
we should go back there and count them.
Yeah. I've never seen a lighthouse from Michigan.
Hey. I didn't know. Lake Michigan is a
cool. It's really a whole world out there.
There's Lake Huron too. It's on both sides
of the state. So, I mean, there's a
lot of coastline.
Now as far as the coastal lighthouses, Maine
has the most.
A coastal lighthouse and Maine has the well,
I was I thought you were gonna say
Oklahoma.
I know. Before you said that one last
time. Yeah. Yeah.
I know. I think I said Kansas or
Nebraska. Yeah. I know. You didn't. I know.
Yay.
Why was the lighthouse built and when? Ours,
that is, the Saint George Ring. Saint George
is built, they had conceived about the idea
right after the sinking of the brother, Jonathan,
in 1865.
But as everybody knows, there was a civil
war that had just concluded. The
United States Treasury was pretty broke. So they
didn't build the lighthouse until
they started in 1882.
The fellow by the name
of Alexander Ballantine,
we started,
the construction of the lighthouse or the soundings
around the rock and so forth. In 1882
after he finished Helmut Rock Lighthouse in the
state of Oregon.
And,
the
construction of the lighthouse occupied a period of
ten years
from 1882
to
1892
when they finally got the, lens, from France.
In those days, had to go around Cape
Horn to get the Woah. Lens,
delivered from France. Dang.
The the building was essentially finished in 1891.
It did not take that amount of time
between 1882
and 1891
to finish the building. But Congress would appropriate
less monies one year, more monies other years.
One year, they didn't appropriate any at all.
You had a short
season to, work out there because of the
weather.
But, it ended up being the most expensive
lighthouse in The United States ever built. I've
actually read in places that it was the
most expensive lighthouse in the world that was
ever built. I'm not so sure that's true
because you have to
there are a lot of of wave washed
lighthouses out on rocks in France
and in Scotland,
England, Ireland
that are
Saint George's equal construction wise that were built
around the same time or earlier. And
it's hard to figure out how much they
cost, you know, pounds or francs compared to
dollars in the years they were building and
so forth. But there are some of them
that were were definitely Saint George's equal as
far as difficulty. In this country,
it is,
without a doubt, the most difficult,
structure that was ever built the lighthouse built
in the country. In addition to to
being out there, it's it's eight, whatever, miles,
6.5.
It's not like it's rippling tiny waves to
get down there. You have to take the
ships. They cannot write to build it, and
they can sometimes not land or they cannot
Well, they can never They never could land
any ship
near the rock. What they did
is once they got people,
workmen on there, they created a
a cable trolley system and attached to the
mast of a ship that was anchored about
three half, 400 feet away.
And they used a conveyance between the ship's
mast and the lighthouse
running workmen back and forth
as they were constructing the lighthouse blasting rock
off and, you know, making a surface in
which to build build the lighthouse and so
on. In like a zip line that they
would try to mount it? Basically. It would
hold six people at a time. And it
was made of rope, though. There was, I
think, cable. Oh, it was a cable. Yeah.
But it was
they, I think they lost only one life
in the construction of the lighthouse. They lost
several more later over the course of its,
service. But,
it was a it was a dangerous,
a dangerous place to work. And and, Ballantine,
who was the engineer,
learned a lot of lessons from working at
Tomahawk because they had the same problem. They
had to rent a conveyance back and forth.
They also had people camping on the rock
because at the time, it was,
they started construction. It was over a 120
feet high. They blasted it down 89
feet, but they,
they, had they had
a, major storms out there where they were
marooned out there, and the waves are going
over the top of the rock and almost
lost all the construction workers because of the
bad weather, and the ship couldn't get anywhere
near it. I would love to be out
there with that kind of a storm tied
to a big reef or a pipe. Now
what is it built on? I've heard what
is a bizarre like, dragon something? Is it
They call it the Dragon Rocks.
Dragon Rocks. I think, was it the George
Vancouver named the lighthouse
named the,
the reef.
But each, each of the major rocks has
a name now. Saint George, we have flat
houses built on Northwest Seal Rock, and that
is at the very bitter end of Saint
George's Reef or if you wanna call them
the Dragon Rock, same same difference.
And they wanted to build it at the
furthest out because,
otherwise,
you could build the lighthouse inland at another
rock and it could still hit the Oh,
so I guess the furthest out I was
wondering because you don't see a lot of
rocks. You see some left and right, but
I guess you see more when it's the
low tide. Yes. And there's several of them
that are are not seen, that are below
the surface, but enough to tear the whole
lot of a ship. That's what happened to
brother Jonathan. Yeah. It had an uncharted rock
Oh. Along the side of that. I think
it's now called Jonathan Rock. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.
Well So how tall is it again? You
said a hundred and seven? Hundred and forty
six. A 146.
Wait. The caisson that it's built on is
is seventy
seventy. And then the tower is another 74
feet or 76 feet. Wow. Now
So so the rock was
98 feet, and so now you took 30
feet off? No. No. That's Tomacrock.
Tomacrock went from one twenty down to 89
feet. But ours was 54 feet.
Okay. And they blasted down. And it's roughly
17 feet.
And and and to to in order to
to create a surface that they could build
on. Right. Yeah. Was it kind of,
like, steep that they couldn't? So they have
now they did that not because it was
easier because they had a flatter. Stone. They
have flat surface. It's an inverted pyramid the
way the thing's built. I mean, they they
actually locked in the the case on built
around,
the stone that that they they actually locked
the stones into the the rock themselves. So
how many stones?
About 1,400.
1,400 stone blocks. 1,400
massive granite blocks. How big is the biggest
block? 17 tons.
I get it was all
conveyed by the table or whatever. Yeah. Well,
they had, they had steam equipment out there
that would pull the,
the, stones off the the,
the barges or whatever that they hauled the
stones out.
Most of them were, I think, in the
two, two and a half ton,
size.
But,
I don't have a breakdown on, you know,
how many stones of each weight, but the
largest was 17
Yeah. And the smallest was was two two
two two and a half tons. No. So
the 17 is that's one ship. Right? I
mean, do or is it Yeah. One
one rocket ships that that fits on one
ship? Right. Jeez. Wow. Wow. Wow. And they
were dry fitted on shore. You know, they're
all numbered and so forth, so they lock
together like a jigsaw puzzle. Yeah. How cool
is that? Folks, time flies when we're having
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or the Partnership for the Performing Arts. I
heard Nick was on Curry Cafe the other
day. Oh, cool.
There's a new
major supporter of community radio, which we have
to record the their their spot,
and that is Coastal Health and Hospice, serving
Northern California and Southern Oregon and Coastal Home
Health and Hospice. There you go. This is
an exemplary,
emotional and helpful nonprofit organization that grows
to help us as we grow older and
transition from one house to another. So welcome
aboard, Coastal
Health and Hospice Services.
Home Health. Okay.
So Home Health Services. Coastal Home Health and
Hospice. Oh, okay. So that's worse than Saint
George I just
Lighthouse
Preservation
Society.
And lastly, my dear co host, doctor Gigi
Reed and yours truly, Jacques Kepner. On behalf
of KCIW,
thanks to all of you. Now let me
get up here and ask real quick. Again,
it cost back in the day over $800,000?
752,
I think, is what it was. Wow. And
that's a huge amount of money,
in comparison today. That's multi multi millions. 21
or 30,000,000, something like that. I I checked
at one point in converting the dollars, but
it's over 20,000,000.
And so we we see enough rocks just
visually as we walk along the shore. We
often do in Crested City
and parts of Brookings, there's so many rocks
out there and how this could
have shipwrecked. I mean, just tore up. We
understand how it could happen. And with the
tides going higher, that would be really Lousy
weather. I mean, they they had fog. They
had what they called,
I'm trying to think of the word they
used with,
it would create a mist where you couldn't
see anything, you know, from the waves. So
this is during a storm. Yeah. And it
was like a whiteout. A whiteout. Yeah. Wow.
And the ship was overloaded, and,
a lot of the sidewall steamers in that
area were underpowered.
So
here you got it overloaded, bad weather Full
of people. And full of people and supplies.
And, they're trying to get back to Crescent
City because the weather was so bad. And
But the the guy said go ahead. Go
one of their the guys transported. Did they
have gold on it or something? They had
gold on it. A lot of gold, which
they have found in the meantime some of
it.
And, yeah, there's a lot of gold. Okay.
Yeah. When why was it decommissioned and when?
It was the last, lighthouse,
on the West Coast that was manned by
people, wasn't automated,
and it was decommissioned in 1975.
They did not attempt to, automate it. They
decided to put a,
a ocean a large ocean buoy out there
to mark the reef.
The reason why they, decommissioned was,
a couple of reasons. One was
most of the, shipping has gone westward a
great deal, so they don't hug the coast
like they used to. Yeah. They go farther
out to sea. Right? Yeah. Much much further.
GPS, of course, although
in
You're you're good. You're good. Yeah. G p
GPS,
at that time wasn't created yet, but,
they were like I said, they were six
miles,
further west about with the
with the,
the,
shipping lanes. And,
the, lighthouse is the most expensive in the
West Coast to maintain. I mean, you had
there was a four keeper light there, three
on and one off.
Wow. You know? Well, Crescent City itself has
a lighthouse, which probably is only there for
beauty or something. Battery point. It's a private
aided navigation. They actually moved the light on
the end of the breakwater, and and so
that's when they quit. That was in the
sixties that they they decommissioned that line, and
then they created a private aid in navigation
later. Oh, that's a great we have it's
Chris City built supposed to lighthouse. Was that
our money? Yeah. That because we created a
private aid in navigation out of Saint George
as well. You know, we've got light out
there too, which we're gonna fix.
Really? How cool is that? Alright. Nice. Okay.
Tell us about the future.
Yeah. Right. Not now. Tower. When was the
Saint George Reef Lighthouse Preservation
Society founded and by whom? 1986
by Guy Towers,
and, he was the one that was responsible
to save the lighthouse.
And,
it took him about ten years to go
through all the, bureaucratic, you know, the paperwork
and so forth. 1996 was the first flight
out. And then ever since, we've been working
on getting it restored and getting it available
for tours, which, of course, the two of
you are gonna be going out there pretty
soon and seeing the lighthouse.
That'll be March.
You know, February,
early March. Yeah. Mhmm. Wow. Now,
they when you said we flight the flight
out there, do they land small planes out
there?
Small helicopters.
Oh, darn it. Yeah. Yeah. They Not a
runway. A plane might land once.
If it hits the building, it'll never take
off. Oh, I see. I see. Yeah. Now
I gotta say one other thing before your
your question's coming up. But it's a 146
feet tall. Right. And the Frenzel lens is
from France made the Right. Right?
And at one point, waves
went over the top of the lighthouse and
broke More than once.
And broke through the glass Yes. Flooded the
stairs of spirally stairs. Yeah. Water went down
like a waterfall. Shaking the building all the
way down the engine room. Yep. Oh
my goodness. What mother nature And people were
on there. Right? I interviewed the keeper that
was out there when it happened. 1958?
Wasn't it? 1952.
Yeah. Oh, my god. He's now 93.
My god. Can you imagine a wave because
that was tsunami. Right? It's like tsunami. So
he thought that we they thought they were
at the farm. He he was sure the
thing was gonna go over. Oh. Oh, wow.
Wow. Yeah. PTSD. I'm telling you. PTSD.
So you're busy trying to preserve
the monument. Yes. Right? So how much in
a perfect world, how much money will it
cost to restore
this We're looking at the the work that
we've got slated to go at this point
is about 10,000,000.
I doubled
it because there's always things you're not gonna
find. You know, the stonework is in good
shape on the outside. May need some repointing,
but, generally, it's in pretty good shape. At
least this is what the consultant told us.
The interior we have, it's lined with brick,
in the stairwell and so forth. A lot
of it's lead based paint. We're gonna have
to, you know, be very careful about removing
that. Wow.
The the metal work is what's wasting away
on the lighthouse, up around the lantern room
and some other areas.
That needs to be rehabilitated.
The a lot of the floors and the,
different levels are out of wood. They need
to be,
upgraded
and replaced,
plumbing, piping.
PVC?
Well, there'll be PVC now. Yeah. It was
metal before.
Yeah. But,
you know, then we've got a a,
we're gonna do a sanitation system there that
is compliant with the standards of today. I
mean, it's not Do you have an outhouse
out there right now? We haul it back.
You know, that's all we gotta do. Yep.
Oh my god. Die. Yeah. Well, we will
make sure we, don't have to use the
restroom. Yeah. Well, before, it it went out
to the ocean. You know? That's like you
know, that's what everybody did. That's right. But,
you know, even though we're far enough out
that we might be able to get by
with it, we are being proactive about,
being
environmentally sensitive. So you think about $20,000,000.
And congratulations
on getting together with doc Belarde, who then
introduced you to Mike Barr.
Amazing how you can get a this this
thing needs to get a grant. Well, that's
thanks to you. So You need this this
preservation society really truly needs to be,
funded
in in great ways because it's so unique.
For the future. Right? For the future. Yeah.
Alright.
So tell us
what is going on in a few weeks.
Yeah. Hell yeah. Well, in a few weeks,
we're gonna drag the two of you out
there to see the lighthouse. Oh, yeah. Well,
that yeah. We've got a, a video company
that
they do YouTube videos. They're,
coming out and spending a week out there
to create a, a film Woah. Okay.
A week. And while they're out there, we're
gonna be out there doing some work. And,
it's gonna give us an opportunity to finish
emptying out, junk that we wanna remove off
the, the building and and so forth and
also hauling out things that we need to,
start a rehabilitation.
And then on the weekend following the, work
party,
they'll be there from the February 22 to
the,
twenty
seventh,
the twenty eighth and twenty ninth or twenty
eighth and the March 1,
we are having a,
a tour out there for two days.
Wow. And, we've got it mostly
Pretty much booked. Pretty much booked, but we've
added a couple,
flights. So if anyone is interested,
call, area code, (707)
293-1905,
and we can give you the information about
the tour
and then,
take your money. And helicopter tours are on
Saturday, February 28 and Sunday,
03/01/2026
coming up in a few weeks. And,
I see the prices dropped. A couple years
ago when you did it, there was $4.95.
Right? It was, I think you're $4.10. If
I recall, I'd have to look. I think
it was 49 yeah. I remember 495.
We we had actually,
the,
video company has been very generous about
getting us out there to start with. Cool.
And so part of the transportation
is gonna be taken care of. Now once
we gotta go back, we just gotta bring
everybody back. But at that price, we ought
to break even. Right on. You know, this
is such a cool thing. So that's right.
$395
per person to be to be flown out
So it's helicopter to him. What what is
that
movie YouTube thing going to be? It's not
a romance. Is it a documentary about No.
It's not a documentary.
I think it's,
got a little bit of a thriller aspect
to it, but he hasn't really explained it
to me, and I haven't asked. I'm just
so darn glad to get out there to
get some work done. And, you know, I
mean, he can do whatever he wants. You
know? Alright. Very cool. Oh, that is so
exciting. Yeah. I mean, it was right out
of the blue. So, you know, we've and
we've had such a hard time finding a
helicopter. We've checked all the boxes, and this
one does. Yeah. In fact, the gentleman that's
gonna be hauling us out,
he, goes to all the different lighthouses in
Alaska
that are very in obscure places.
So so,
we very we're very fortunate to find this
guy. Cool. Yeah. You've that's been one of
your things that you've had trouble in the
past Right. With being somebody that's up, up,
up, and up. Hey, listen. You could reach
out to them by email saintgeorgereeflight@gmail.com.
It's long, but it's saintgeorgereeflight@gmail.com.
Tell us about this raffle. What's going on
with the raffle? Well, we are doing a
fifty fifty raffle. And what that means is,
we sell we're gonna sell a 100 tickets,
at a $100 a piece. And then when
we sell all 100 tickets, we we pull
a name, and, they get half of the
take.
Wow. Because we hope they donate it back
to us. Right. Right.
A nice example. Disclosure. We we want it
all. Right. We But but but you are
entitled to half, which means that's $5,000.
Now if you wanna donate it back to
us, we'd be be, oh, so grateful. Yeah.
There we go. That's Very cool. Now where
do the people get a hold of the
raffle thing? Well, you can call the number
70729273.
273-1905,
or,
there is a place
in,
Crescent City. It's,
a, it's called Your Salon.
It's at 118
West Washington Boulevard.
Your Salon, like most of you are. Okay.
And Dawn Harper is the proprietor, and she
will have tickets there
Okay.
Tomorrow because I'm taking them to her. Cool.
We'll have tickets there to sell. Cool.
Website. You've got your own website, saintgeorgereeflight.org.
Yes. K. And Facebook, Saint George Reef Lighthouse
Preservation Society. Anything. Yep. Okay. Cool. Cool. I've
scolded him because
Alright.
Okay.
John Zimmerman, it's been a pleasure talking to
you, catching up. Interesting. Can't wait. Can't wait.
And, hey, we are looking forward to good
news. Next time we have you on the
show, I hope it's gonna share a lot
of good news. You guys deserve a grant
like no one else. It's really it's a
great thing. Hopefully, a good time. You've been
extremely generous allowing me to come on to
talk about,
our lighthouse.
And, we are gonna allow you to
fly back and not swim back.
Right.
We have talked to a bunch of fishermen
who say it's the best fishing out there
around that island. Yeah. Well, you if you
jumped in and swam back, you'd be the
best fishing for the local seals.
So
The seals will get you. That's what I
Yeah. Give me a little snacky poo.
Really? K. What orch I heard Snack orch.
Else? No. Somebody said the sea lions would
get you. Right? Oh, yeah. And if they
don't, the orcas will.
Oh, my. He's looking at me like,
So be nice to the helicopter operator.
Alright. Now it's,
thank you, John, again for that interesting. Stick
around for the next fifteen minutes or so
while we have a fun topic that doctor
Gigi have and I have enjoyed researching. And
you will be invited to, stay and chime
in on your own thoughts about
today's food,
f o o d. Haven't missed many meals.
Let's talk about what we eat
collectively, uniquely, nationally, internationally, regionally.
Doctor, you are European, born and raised in
German, right across the border from the French
German,
line? Yeah. I researched some European,
dishes that were known. Okay. So first one
that I found was coq au vin. But
that's French. That's French. That was the French
pronunciation too. I speak French, man. I'm shocked.
Means rooster
on wine. Has And it was
what it is actually so chicken, but really
it was a rooster. Chicken slowly braised in
red wine like burgundy
with mushrooms, onions, and bacon.
And in France,
it's often eaten with a baguette, which we,
of course, call French bread
or with mashed potatoes.
Wow. Yummy. I mean, we
we eat similar stuff, but it really originates
there. How about Italy? What is there? What's
known there? In Italy Pizza?
Yeah. Pizza. So I've been to Italy and
a few at least, you know, forty years
ago or whenever. So I was all excited
about their food. But what we
eat
as
Italian food is not what they eat. They
eat it to fill you up. So for
example, lasagna
is mostly noodle dough with something in there
so you fill that. But I wanna talk
about spaghetti carbonara,
which is pasta with eggs, cured pork, and
cheese,
and actually, it's without cream. We totally love
the creamy sauce. And originally, it doesn't contain
any cream. Now that I may Can I
ask you a question? Yeah. Where you were
talking about in Germany, was that right across
from Alsace Lorraine? Yes. Because that's where my
great grandfather Yeah. Right there. Exactly. Okay. Strasbourg
Strasbourg is right 15 kilometers. Hingleton.
Hingleton? Hinglington. Hinglington. Hinglington. Hinglington. Hinglington. That's the
village. That's near the castle that we we
passed going up to the Was it? Yeah.
Right. Okay.
Oops. Okay. Phone shut off there. I don't
have my facts and figures. Okay. I get
to talk about Mhmm. My travels have been
Yeah. Through, the South of us,
in Mexico and
Middle America, Central America and South America. But
in Mexico, they have the chapulines.
Mhmm. Which are grasshoppers. They toast them. They
toast them or fry them. Actually, they're really
good. They're like a snack. You could eat
them in your hand. They
oh, they're so they they season them as
they bake them or roast them in a
hot pan And they season them and they
come out crispy. They're phenomenal. They really are
good. They put them in tacos
and
other things, especially
in the land,
the region Ozaca.
So there we go. And then, eskamoles,
those are the ant larvae
that come out of the agave root. Yeah.
Alright. So they are eskamoles
are they're some kind called Mexican caviar.
But now they're a little bit weird because
they're a little creamy and nutty
buttery flavor, but they kinda pop when you
eat them. Have you had them? I've had
them. Yeah. I've had them anywhere. They're all
Some grasshoppers are great because you can have
the seasoning,
barbecue or or turkey. Calories, I'm guessing. Yeah.
Okay. Go into the how about Germany? What
is Germany at? Germany, what,
you know, the
the Internet thinks is,
worth mentioning is called which
translated means onion roast roast,
which is Onion roast roast? I mean, on
yeah. Onion roast. It's beef roast topped with
rich gravy and caramelized
onions.
I might add that this would be eaten
with yummy sweet tangy red cabbage, yum yum,
and boiled baby potatoes.
So they only tell us about the meat,
but, you know, you have to have the
whole Well meal. Hey. And, okay. And Margarine.
In Spain
in Spain, we know paella
Yeah. Which is saffron rice cooked with seafood,
chicken, and or rabbit plus vegetables,
which is cooked, and that's why I chose
it, which is cooked as a one dish
food in a white shallow
pan, which is also called paella.
Hey, John. Would you like to have some
jumiles?
Jumiles
are strong tasting,
aromatic insects eaten with lime and salt, and
they're put into salsa. Yeah. So it's just
a
Why? Why would I do that? Why would
anybody do that? What do you eat? Food.
What is your
Real food.
Like
Lobster.
There you go. Yeah. I find Probably one
of the best meals I ever had was
in Nova Scotia. I I went out to
a restaurant and they had lobster. They put
a bib around you and you give you
a hammer and away you go. Oh my
gosh. And Wow. Have butter.
Oh my god. Nice.
Soft. Have melted. Was it like all you
can eat?
Well, I give it a try.
Yeah. It was good. Give me a hammer.
Yeah. Nice. If I had a hammer.
If I had a hammer, I had hammer
in the morning. In Austria, you guys, Austria
has Pretty good. Wiener Schnitzel. Wiener Schnitzel. So
that's that was German.
No. That's Vienna. What's good? Vienna Vienna Schnitzel
is Vienna Schnitzel.
It's breaded, fried veal, or pork
cutlet served with lemon pieces to be squeezed
over the schnitzel and potato balls. You know,
Gigi and I are mostly vegan with heavy
vegetables.
I beg because of that, I've lost a
tremendous amount of weight. Yeah. And of course,
I stopped drinking beer. So when you come
down to our house, John, we're gonna I'll
drink water. You guys drink beer.
I'll give you a ride home. You know
what? Well, I'm not gonna say no. Oh,
okay.
Alright. How about coconut grubs?
These are wonderful. They're big time in the
Central America. You already had that? Yeah. No.
Coconut I never had coconut grubs. They were
kinda gross. I didn't,
they're the ones that come out of the
palm, the coconut tree and they're kind of
they they pour in there. They're kind of
gross.
But they marinate them in citrus
lime to kind of cook it like a
ceviche.
If you go down to South America, now
this has been one of the gourmet meals
that I've had Mhmm. Multiple times and that
was in Bolivia where my brother currently lives.
Pedro. In the highland,
city of La Paz, the highest now the
highest city in the world actually with an
airport up there is Cay,
which is, sounds like guy but Cay, C
U I, that's guinea pig.
And it is served in Bolivia, Peru, or
Ecuador, and it's a whole roasted or fried.
They they they take all the fur off
it. It's just a That's nice.
Wait a minute. The good thing is this
is even different. They often serve it with
the head and teeth still visible. They have
sharp teeth. They have sharp teeth. They roast
it. It comes it's considered a a traditional
highland meat, but that's what made me a
vegetarian treat.
It tastes like chicken.
It's this show has taken a dive, man.
Okay. I go to Ireland then. Oh, go
ahead. So Yeah. Ireland has a breakfast roll
which is a crusty, I mean deep fried,
roll stuffed with eggs, sausage, bacon, and other
fry up items.
And isn't that something? Because this might be
the meal most
emulated by the American
diet. Right? The breakfast drinks? Right. Right. Bacon.
Yeah. It's all meat based with some people.
I know all our vegan listeners and vegetarians
are good. And it's really from Ireland. Who
would have thought? Right. How about Caldo de
Cardan?
Caldo de Cardan is served in Bolivia and
I have tried it. It's quite good and
it is bull penis soup.
Right. Yeah. It says it's made with the
bull penis and the testicles.
And it is,
believed locally to boost strength and vitality.
Michael Gorse has tried it too. I mean,
we got a bunch of people. The
Caldo de Garda. You gotta try that one
day, John.
Okay. Moving on to Sweden.
Sweden has something Michael Gorse is laughing. We
can hear it. So that's pretty cool.
Sweden makes something called katbola.
Katbola. Katbola. But we call it Swedish meatballs.
They're small pan fried meatballs served with gravy
potatoes in lingonberry
sauce. And so they really actually Swedish meatballs
come from Sweden.
Wow. Cool. Well, there's hormigas
hormigas.
I'm not proficient in speaking that. It sounds
real. Translates from Colombia. It's from Colombia. That
literally translate
to big butt
ants. And they eat these they're leafcutters. The
leafcutter ants are big.
Yeah. Yeah. And they take them they take
the queens. They get the queens are in
a special they take the queens and they
toast
toast it and they eat them like peanuts,
which has a slightly smoky kinda,
nutty taste. They kinda crunch.
Do you have them? Have you had I
have not tried them. By chance? No. My
brother John has said they're quite good, I
believe. Yeah. I thought you were so normal.
What else do we have? Alright. From England,
they they eat a lot of meat pies.
And actually, I lived in England, and so
they talk about this minced meat pies. And
I always thought
it was, like, with mint,
like, the mint flavor. And I always thought
this is really weird till I had one.
Minced meat really means just small cut like
burger. It's little cut with gravy and and,
vegetables. So it's They use venison too. They
do. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Have you eaten venison?
Yes. I have. Do you like it? Yes.
They're pretty good. Mhmm. Not bambi killer.
I don't kill them. I just eat them.
Bambi killer.
Alright. If go ahead, doc. No.
Baby killer? Well, he eats venison. He eats
Bambi killer. Venison is just Bambi. I don't
kill Bambi. I eat Bambi. Yeah. Alright.
Dear. Okay. Make us laugh again. Okay. On
on a stranded stranded desert island, let's say,
like, well, not deserted island. I'll put it
like the Saint George Reef House, and they're
only gonna serve you three different foods in
the entire world. What are you gonna order,
John Zimmerman?
Corn on the cob.
Order on the cob. It has to have
butter and salt. Right? Lots of butter. Yes.
Absolutely. I'd like to put two. K. Corn
on the cob. Yeah.
Fillet
mignon. Yeah.
With butter.
Oh, yes. And then a nice
Yukon potato with sour cream.
Oh, and German marlin onion and So that's
what you would eat every day, or is
it just
that's what you would take? Oh, you should
just go a week. Okay.
How about you, doc? I think I would
take
bread.
Oh, yeah. Another German salad. Bread with cheese.
Sorry. We would we'd have breakfast in Germany
with her mother's sweet 86 year old mom.
She's 88. Reach 88.
Yeah. That's good too. We would have
not one, two, about three different varieties of
bread. Oh, I loved it. Well, that's why
I gained 20 pounds in drinking beer in
Germany. That was not a good thing.
I mean, how about sea urgent urgent,
urchins from Chile,
but it's just a certain part of that
sea urchins. How about the gonads? That's what
they eat. You have very gonads for them.
They eat them raw.
They sell them as a street snack and
in restaurants.
So I think I'm done with I mean,
they we could we could talk about the
marapano,
which is an Argentina, which is a hot
dog where the sausage is like it's a
blood sausage wrapped in cow intestines and then
served in a hollow of bread.
And it crunches a little bit when you
eat. But you I like my Okay. European
things a little better. Me too. What other
what other foods? You get two. You get
Greece.
Greece has moussaka.
Wow. Moussaka is baked layers of eggplant, ground
meat, and a bechamel sauce. Wow. Baccamel. Very
average. Baccamel.
Bechamel. Do you know why the Greeks hate
And it's like it's like what we think
of of,
a noodle less lasagna.
Wow. Cool. Do you know why the Greeks,
hate the the dawn every morning? Why? Why?
Because dawn is tough on Greece.
You know when an Irishman goes on vacation?
Where? A different bar.
Don't get me going on the bar jokes.
Hey. We can start our
fun Time corner. Okay. Well, I think the
I think we we kinda made him sick.
Yeah. We can move on. He's a stomach
in our conversation. But thank you for that,
dissertation on international food. No. Please thank you
for your weird,
quote on the other hand. Oh my goodness.
Let me look at my jokes here. I
got On unknown foods. Okay. Lobster.
Corn on the cob. I you all okay.
And a potato. That was your three. I
I I got away without saying, but I'm
not gonna say. Bull penis?
It doesn't. Did I just hear did you
hear that? Did you hear Michael
Corsa say bullpeter? I hope they didn't hear
it. I think they didn't hear it. Okay.
Alright. I'm gonna give a quote. Okay. I
have to divert this a little bit. That
was great. You got it. Poetry is a
way of taking life by the throat. I
have throat quotes.
Okay. Poetry is the way of taking life
by the throat. That's pretty good. Right?
Doctor Gigi says that I have a scary
preoccupation
with vengeance.
We'll just have to see about that.
Keep going. Oh, yes.
Scientists have recently discovered that protons actually have
mass.
Yep. I didn't know they were Catholic.
Scientists say the universe is made up of
protons, neutrons, and electrons.
I think they forgot to mention morons.
Hey, I'm currently boycotting any company that sells
items that I can't afford.
Sean is just sitting there looking at me
going, okay.
Okay. What else? Come on. The throat is
the road. Speech
is its pilgrim.
That's very Wait. Say it again,
hon? The throat is the road. Speech
is Pilgrim. It's pretty deep. Right? That is
too cool. Doctor Gigi told me that I
better start watching my drinking.
So now I drink in front of a
mirror.
I think it's funny. I've heard it 5,000
times, but it's still funny. Oh, same as,
hey. If you don't pay your exorcist, John,
do you get repossessed?
Are we about done? Okay. Food
I hope.
Is food is not rational.
Food is culture,
habit,
craving, and identity.
Nice. I like it. Hey, John. There's a
nudist camp going on in town next week.
You should go if you've got nothing going
on.
He usually laughs, but not today.
Alright, Don. Know. I was so shocked over
what you have tried to eat.
It's true. I did try. Okay. Each of
us, one quote, one joke. Soul soul food
is our personal passport to the past. It's
much more about heritage than it is about
harmony. Okay. We can just go with slide
59, four fifty nine. Okay. Quote, one more
joke. Oh, I don't have one. Okay. One.
Let's go. K. Alright.
Do you know what the what the leading
cause of dry skin is? What? Towels.
Hey, everybody.
Sorry about this fun show. We had fun.
You have been listening to Doc and Jack
on KCIW
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
We hope you enjoyed our show,
The Irregardless,
as much as we have, learning about the
Saint George Reef Lighthouse with John Zimmerman. Right
on. That is And about the different and
about about foods that he loves. You gotta
try them, John. I'm telling you. You're when
when you come over, we'll try them out.
Thanks,
peace of prosperity,
everybody out there. Thanks again to Linda Bosak
who's out there listening. And, of course, Michael
Gorth. Michael Gorth. You got me, man. It's
the first time ever anybody's interrupted by Zane
Wolfie.
Wow.
Okay, man. Let's, we don't need to talk.
Bye bye.