1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,679 Hi, and welcome KCAW listeners at one hundred 2 00:00:13,679 --> 00:00:17,565 point seven FM or online at kciw.oregon, 3 00:00:17,625 --> 00:00:18,524 Brookings, Oregon. 4 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:21,464 Hi. To our syndicated listeners as well at 5 00:00:21,464 --> 00:00:21,964 KZZH 6 00:00:22,585 --> 00:00:25,964 ninety six point seven FM, Access Humboldt, Eureka, 7 00:00:26,184 --> 00:00:26,684 California. 8 00:00:27,224 --> 00:00:29,304 And a special welcome again to our new 9 00:00:29,304 --> 00:00:29,804 listeners 10 00:00:30,219 --> 00:00:30,800 of KSKQ 11 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:34,859 eighty nine point five FM, Ashland and ninety 12 00:00:34,859 --> 00:00:37,359 four point one FM, Medford, Oregon. 13 00:00:37,739 --> 00:00:41,179 This is joyously free radio with me, Joni 14 00:00:41,179 --> 00:00:41,679 Lindenmaier, 15 00:00:42,075 --> 00:00:44,475 the best selling author of none better, an 16 00:00:44,475 --> 00:00:47,375 amazing love story and co author of Joyously 17 00:00:47,434 --> 00:00:50,314 Free and Healing Religious Hurts. I'm so glad 18 00:00:50,314 --> 00:00:51,934 that you are tuning in today. 19 00:00:52,234 --> 00:00:54,634 I'm a resident of Harbor, Oregon, a retired 20 00:00:54,634 --> 00:00:56,899 high school teacher, a recent author who has 21 00:00:56,899 --> 00:00:59,460 published three books in two years, created an 22 00:00:59,460 --> 00:01:02,259 audiobook, and with friend and film producer Michael 23 00:01:02,259 --> 00:01:04,840 Gorse, created a short film called Wowzer. 24 00:01:05,780 --> 00:01:07,540 Mike and I are so excited that it 25 00:01:07,540 --> 00:01:08,439 has been selected 26 00:01:08,744 --> 00:01:11,465 and already shown at the LA Indie Short 27 00:01:11,465 --> 00:01:12,444 Films Festival. 28 00:01:12,825 --> 00:01:15,625 Wow. Truly a wowser. But most of all, 29 00:01:15,625 --> 00:01:17,384 I love being with all of you right 30 00:01:17,384 --> 00:01:19,704 now. I love life and love being the 31 00:01:19,704 --> 00:01:22,604 producer and host of this high energy, joyously 32 00:01:22,744 --> 00:01:23,219 free 33 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:26,739 radio gaydio show so named by Will and 34 00:01:26,739 --> 00:01:29,299 Viv. So let's talk about what the show 35 00:01:29,299 --> 00:01:30,920 is all about. It's LGBTQ 36 00:01:31,219 --> 00:01:33,400 stories and tips along with religion, 37 00:01:33,939 --> 00:01:35,719 church, faith, spirituality, 38 00:01:36,099 --> 00:01:37,480 and most importantly, 39 00:01:38,135 --> 00:01:40,234 joy, being joyously free. 40 00:01:40,534 --> 00:01:42,615 That's the whole idea, to be joy and 41 00:01:42,615 --> 00:01:45,015 full of freedom, hence that title. That is 42 00:01:45,015 --> 00:01:47,255 also the title of my second book that 43 00:01:47,255 --> 00:01:51,814 I coauthored with Elizabeth Ann Atkins of 2sisterswriting.com. 44 00:01:51,814 --> 00:01:53,790 And guess what? She's gonna be our guest 45 00:01:54,030 --> 00:01:57,069 today. So in this radio show, we have 46 00:01:57,069 --> 00:01:59,469 three things that we pay attention to. No 47 00:01:59,469 --> 00:02:00,209 hate speech, 48 00:02:00,750 --> 00:02:02,849 no hate behaviors, and no bullying. 49 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:05,170 It will be blasted with three c's, 50 00:02:05,549 --> 00:02:07,569 courage, confidence, and collaboration. 51 00:02:08,430 --> 00:02:09,814 Let's sparkle today. 52 00:02:10,115 --> 00:02:10,615 Yahoo. 53 00:02:10,915 --> 00:02:13,254 So let's begin with our daily salutation. 54 00:02:13,795 --> 00:02:15,635 I say it's a brand new day, and 55 00:02:15,635 --> 00:02:18,375 your response is it's never been lived before. 56 00:02:18,514 --> 00:02:19,415 Here we go. 57 00:02:19,715 --> 00:02:22,180 It's a brand new day. It's never been 58 00:02:22,180 --> 00:02:24,180 lived before. Woo hoo. I love it. Thank 59 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:26,099 you. Thank you, Elizabeth. So the I've already 60 00:02:26,099 --> 00:02:27,780 told you who our guest is today. But, 61 00:02:27,780 --> 00:02:29,239 you know, besides our salutation, 62 00:02:29,620 --> 00:02:32,280 let's do our morning not morning, but anytime 63 00:02:32,340 --> 00:02:35,064 day prayer. Let's open our hearts as we 64 00:02:35,064 --> 00:02:37,144 ask the divine to shine light on our 65 00:02:37,144 --> 00:02:37,644 community 66 00:02:38,264 --> 00:02:39,164 and our world. 67 00:02:39,625 --> 00:02:42,584 I excitedly believe in hope, in the power 68 00:02:42,584 --> 00:02:43,405 of the spiritual, 69 00:02:43,705 --> 00:02:47,009 and that Jesus God's spirit, whatever name you 70 00:02:47,009 --> 00:02:49,409 put on a higher being, is always with 71 00:02:49,409 --> 00:02:51,110 me and always with you. 72 00:02:51,650 --> 00:02:53,669 So be not afraid or troubled, 73 00:02:53,969 --> 00:02:55,189 saddened or depressed. 74 00:02:55,729 --> 00:02:58,770 Joy and peace are an internal expression of 75 00:02:58,770 --> 00:02:59,830 love and harmony 76 00:03:00,185 --> 00:03:02,504 that is already within us. And, yes, we 77 00:03:02,504 --> 00:03:03,245 just celebrated 78 00:03:03,705 --> 00:03:06,525 Valentine's Day. Of course, that love and harmony 79 00:03:06,584 --> 00:03:09,084 is already within us. So let it out. 80 00:03:09,465 --> 00:03:10,924 So let's center ourselves. 81 00:03:11,864 --> 00:03:14,284 Take a deep breath in with the good 82 00:03:16,580 --> 00:03:18,039 and out with doubt. 83 00:03:21,139 --> 00:03:21,639 Again, 84 00:03:21,939 --> 00:03:23,639 breathe in through your nose 85 00:03:23,939 --> 00:03:24,759 with hope 86 00:03:25,060 --> 00:03:27,239 and out from your mouth with fears. 87 00:03:32,495 --> 00:03:33,314 Last one. 88 00:03:33,615 --> 00:03:36,014 Take a big, big deep breath in with 89 00:03:36,014 --> 00:03:39,074 joy and out with any worry or despair. 90 00:03:41,534 --> 00:03:42,514 Let it out. 91 00:03:43,610 --> 00:03:46,189 In the name of mother Earth, creator God, 92 00:03:46,330 --> 00:03:48,569 Jesus redeemer, and the blowing winds of the 93 00:03:48,569 --> 00:03:52,110 Holy Spirit, we say, hi, love and light. 94 00:03:52,250 --> 00:03:55,530 Hi, Jesus. Hi, God. Hi, spirit. Thank you 95 00:03:55,530 --> 00:03:58,030 for being with us on this beautiful day. 96 00:03:58,895 --> 00:04:01,555 The reading today, I chose from Saint Francis 97 00:04:01,615 --> 00:04:02,275 de Sales. 98 00:04:02,655 --> 00:04:05,055 It's just one simple sentence, but it hit 99 00:04:05,055 --> 00:04:07,395 me very, very much in my heart today. 100 00:04:07,775 --> 00:04:08,514 It says, 101 00:04:08,974 --> 00:04:10,915 follow the ways of your heart 102 00:04:11,455 --> 00:04:13,314 and the vision of your eyes. 103 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:16,699 When I read that in prayer today, 104 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,160 all I could think about was a world 105 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,620 of big hearts, 106 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,220 everybody's hearts 107 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,379 pumping out of their chest, 108 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:25,980 accepting 109 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,420 and celebrating 110 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,735 the goodness of everybody 111 00:04:30,595 --> 00:04:31,495 and everything. 112 00:04:32,595 --> 00:04:34,935 I thought about the vision of your eyes. 113 00:04:35,154 --> 00:04:38,115 Saint Francis de Sales talks about that. The 114 00:04:38,115 --> 00:04:41,250 vision of your eyes. It's not just the 115 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:41,750 vision 116 00:04:42,129 --> 00:04:43,430 that you see 117 00:04:44,129 --> 00:04:44,629 visibly, 118 00:04:45,329 --> 00:04:47,189 but when you close your eyes 119 00:04:47,649 --> 00:04:49,669 and you pray or you meditate 120 00:04:50,050 --> 00:04:52,689 and you have a vision of sparkles or 121 00:04:52,689 --> 00:04:54,709 light or something divine 122 00:04:55,345 --> 00:04:58,084 that hits you, that vision of your eyes 123 00:04:58,384 --> 00:05:00,725 connects to that big heart in your chest 124 00:05:00,865 --> 00:05:01,764 and radiates. 125 00:05:02,704 --> 00:05:05,044 So those are my quick little reflections today. 126 00:05:05,185 --> 00:05:07,105 I hope they helped you. And so I 127 00:05:07,105 --> 00:05:09,560 just wanna say, dear lord, thank you for 128 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,220 being with us. Please lift up our friends 129 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:13,180 and our family. 130 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:16,620 May you find divine guidance and healing 131 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:17,500 today. 132 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,980 Thank you, holy one, for hearing, 133 00:05:20,354 --> 00:05:22,754 being with us, giving us a heart and 134 00:05:22,754 --> 00:05:25,414 eyes to see deeply and compassionately. 135 00:05:26,595 --> 00:05:29,235 Let's have a happy day together, everybody. K 136 00:05:29,235 --> 00:05:31,235 c I w, k z z h, and 137 00:05:31,235 --> 00:05:32,935 k s k q listeners. 138 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,800 Well, I am sitting, like, two and a 139 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,279 half feet away from our guest today. We 140 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,259 are at SWOC, 141 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,980 Southwestern Oregon Community College in Room 231 142 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,819 at the South Coast Writers 143 00:05:46,145 --> 00:05:49,425 Conference in Brookings, Oregon, and I am here 144 00:05:49,425 --> 00:05:51,285 with Elizabeth Ann Atkins, 145 00:05:51,824 --> 00:05:52,324 publisher, 146 00:05:52,865 --> 00:05:53,365 author, 147 00:05:54,305 --> 00:05:54,805 editor, 148 00:05:55,504 --> 00:05:56,404 business owner. 149 00:05:56,865 --> 00:05:58,230 Just she is a 150 00:05:58,629 --> 00:05:59,129 superstar 151 00:05:59,509 --> 00:06:00,009 woman. 152 00:06:00,470 --> 00:06:04,170 Our topic today is a writer's conference recap 153 00:06:04,470 --> 00:06:04,970 and 154 00:06:05,509 --> 00:06:08,089 her with her sister, Katherine Greenspan, 155 00:06:08,470 --> 00:06:11,029 their brand new book called Write Your Book 156 00:06:11,029 --> 00:06:11,930 in a Day. 157 00:06:12,345 --> 00:06:13,564 Welcome, Elizabeth. 158 00:06:13,865 --> 00:06:16,285 Oh my gosh, Joni. Joni, this is amazing 159 00:06:16,345 --> 00:06:18,185 to be here in person, and thank you, 160 00:06:18,185 --> 00:06:21,064 Michael Gorse, for all that you do. Yeah. 161 00:06:21,064 --> 00:06:23,464 Absolutely. This is absolutely I'm so happy to 162 00:06:23,464 --> 00:06:24,525 be here with you, Joni. 163 00:06:24,970 --> 00:06:26,329 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. 164 00:06:26,329 --> 00:06:27,930 So how are you doing today? You've already 165 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:30,329 done one workshop. Yeah. And the big workshop, 166 00:06:30,329 --> 00:06:32,669 six hour yesterday. How are you doing today? 167 00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:36,250 I'm elated. It is such a beautiful honor 168 00:06:36,250 --> 00:06:38,055 to be here to teach all the things 169 00:06:38,055 --> 00:06:39,514 to the aspiring authors. 170 00:06:40,214 --> 00:06:43,254 And yesterday's workshop, we had 15 people. It 171 00:06:43,254 --> 00:06:45,194 was called write your book in a day. 172 00:06:45,654 --> 00:06:48,134 And we spent six hours together, and it 173 00:06:48,134 --> 00:06:49,735 was really seven when you had a lunch 174 00:06:49,735 --> 00:06:52,214 break. And the synergy of the group was 175 00:06:52,214 --> 00:06:52,560 just 176 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:53,540 magical. 177 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,660 Everybody was eager, excited, enthusiastic, 178 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,399 lots of questions, lots of interaction. It was 179 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:01,379 just spectacular. 180 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:03,519 So it's such an honor to share my 181 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:04,019 expertise. 182 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,300 Oh, fantastic. 183 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,860 Fantastic. And at that group yesterday, 184 00:07:08,254 --> 00:07:10,754 the people in attendance, age range 185 00:07:11,534 --> 00:07:12,894 talk a little bit about some of the 186 00:07:12,894 --> 00:07:15,134 people without naming names, but could you please 187 00:07:15,134 --> 00:07:17,055 talk about some of the people present? It 188 00:07:17,055 --> 00:07:19,394 blew my mind. We had high school students, 189 00:07:19,454 --> 00:07:21,149 and we had people in their eighties. 190 00:07:21,949 --> 00:07:25,329 So what a broad range of life experience 191 00:07:25,470 --> 00:07:27,389 that they're bringing to the idea of writing 192 00:07:27,389 --> 00:07:28,050 a book. 193 00:07:28,589 --> 00:07:31,229 And it's always an honor for me to 194 00:07:31,229 --> 00:07:33,550 share all that I know of ten years 195 00:07:33,550 --> 00:07:35,889 in business as two sisters writing and publishing 196 00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:37,089 as well as, 197 00:07:38,004 --> 00:07:40,485 writing and publishing more than 70 books. Wow. 198 00:07:40,485 --> 00:07:43,444 Mhmm. And that's your professional career. Oh, my 199 00:07:43,444 --> 00:07:46,564 golly. You mentioned the word lived experience, living 200 00:07:46,564 --> 00:07:48,564 experience between the the high school student and 201 00:07:48,564 --> 00:07:50,324 80 years old. Mhmm. Can you give the 202 00:07:50,324 --> 00:07:53,459 listeners a recap of your lived experiences, 203 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:55,839 where you're from, how you grew up, just 204 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:59,060 a little background of your lived experiences? Uh-huh. 205 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,620 Okay. Sure. So I'm from Michigan, 206 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:04,399 and I grew up there. And my sister 207 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:07,139 and I I've always loved writing and reading. 208 00:08:07,574 --> 00:08:09,495 And so when we got to University of 209 00:08:09,495 --> 00:08:11,894 Michigan, we were English majors. I went on 210 00:08:11,894 --> 00:08:14,214 to get a master's in journalism from Columbia 211 00:08:14,214 --> 00:08:16,615 University in New York City. Catherine got a 212 00:08:16,615 --> 00:08:19,274 master's in writing from University of San Francisco, 213 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,220 then she pursued a career in finance, 214 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,699 and I started writing books 215 00:08:25,079 --> 00:08:27,399 as first, I was a big city newspaper 216 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:29,079 reporter. I've been published in the New York 217 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:31,500 Times and the Detroit News, San Diego Tribune, 218 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:32,860 lots of magazines. 219 00:08:33,215 --> 00:08:35,934 And so I started writing books, and I 220 00:08:35,934 --> 00:08:39,455 got published by Saint Martin's Press, three best 221 00:08:39,455 --> 00:08:41,154 selling romantic thrillers, 222 00:08:41,535 --> 00:08:43,215 including one that I wrote with Billy Dee 223 00:08:43,215 --> 00:08:44,274 Williams, the actor. 224 00:08:44,975 --> 00:08:47,519 And Yeah. Yeah. That's cute. Thanks. 225 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:49,139 And then, 226 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,160 I just kept writing books, and Catherine was 227 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,879 like, I've got the financial background. Elizabeth, you 228 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:56,500 have the ghost writing and publishing 229 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:57,300 background. 230 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,035 Why don't we start a company? So we 231 00:09:00,035 --> 00:09:02,855 started two sisters writing and publishing in 2016, 232 00:09:03,394 --> 00:09:05,475 and now we just celebrated ten years. And 233 00:09:05,475 --> 00:09:08,195 to celebrate that, Joni, we published a book 234 00:09:08,195 --> 00:09:10,355 called Write Your Book in a Day, the 235 00:09:10,355 --> 00:09:13,975 blueprint for turning your book dreams into published 236 00:09:14,035 --> 00:09:14,535 reality. 237 00:09:14,995 --> 00:09:17,790 Wow. And it's available on Amazon, Barnes and 238 00:09:17,790 --> 00:09:20,190 Noble, anywhere you buy books online, including Two 239 00:09:20,190 --> 00:09:23,149 Sisters Writing and Publishing, two sisters writing dot 240 00:09:23,149 --> 00:09:23,649 com. 241 00:09:24,269 --> 00:09:26,610 And it's our gift to all the aspiring 242 00:09:26,670 --> 00:09:29,975 authors out there who need guidance and expertise 243 00:09:30,195 --> 00:09:32,274 on how to write, publish, and promote a 244 00:09:32,274 --> 00:09:34,834 great book. Yes. And not just guidance and 245 00:09:34,834 --> 00:09:36,855 expertise, but the the encouragement, 246 00:09:37,634 --> 00:09:38,375 the empowerment 247 00:09:38,834 --> 00:09:41,875 that you and Catherine both provide. Mhmm. Because 248 00:09:41,875 --> 00:09:43,769 it's not an easy thing to do to 249 00:09:43,769 --> 00:09:46,190 to write a book. It's Oh. It's challenging. 250 00:09:46,330 --> 00:09:48,889 It's difficult. Mhmm. And I wanna go back 251 00:09:48,889 --> 00:09:51,690 to your your childhood. Did your mother and 252 00:09:51,690 --> 00:09:53,149 father were they writers? 253 00:09:54,009 --> 00:09:56,330 So Katherine and I grew up watching our 254 00:09:56,330 --> 00:09:58,970 father journal every night at the dining room 255 00:09:58,970 --> 00:10:00,245 table in steno 256 00:10:01,024 --> 00:10:02,945 notebooks with a spiral at the top, and 257 00:10:02,945 --> 00:10:04,544 they were, like, pale green, and he had 258 00:10:04,544 --> 00:10:06,725 a pen, and he had a distinct handwriting. 259 00:10:06,784 --> 00:10:08,725 So we would be here doing our homework, 260 00:10:09,264 --> 00:10:11,024 and he would be writing. And our mother 261 00:10:11,024 --> 00:10:12,784 would in the evening, she was in law 262 00:10:12,784 --> 00:10:14,485 school, so she wasn't there. 263 00:10:14,820 --> 00:10:16,899 So we saw him as our model of 264 00:10:16,899 --> 00:10:18,759 writing chronicling the day. 265 00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:21,779 And so I later read his journals, which 266 00:10:21,779 --> 00:10:22,759 he kept from 267 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:24,420 1965 268 00:10:24,420 --> 00:10:27,639 until 1990, and I read about my birthday 269 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:30,804 and how he baptized me, like, in real 270 00:10:30,804 --> 00:10:33,845 time. Oh my gosh. And how that was 271 00:10:33,845 --> 00:10:35,304 beautiful. And then, 272 00:10:36,884 --> 00:10:38,884 I got to know my father through writing 273 00:10:39,045 --> 00:10:40,184 reading his journals. 274 00:10:40,725 --> 00:10:42,725 So that was beautiful. And then he also 275 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:45,450 insisted that Katherine and I speak the Queen's 276 00:10:45,450 --> 00:10:47,149 English. And what does that mean? 277 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:50,509 That means if we ever said wrong verbs, 278 00:10:52,089 --> 00:10:53,149 we would be 279 00:10:53,690 --> 00:10:54,909 corrected immediately 280 00:10:55,289 --> 00:10:56,750 and told that it's unacceptable 281 00:10:57,450 --> 00:10:58,909 to use wrong verbs. 282 00:10:59,644 --> 00:11:01,644 Oh my golly. Oh my golly. Yeah. So 283 00:11:01,644 --> 00:11:04,605 we were both straight a students, especially in 284 00:11:04,605 --> 00:11:07,725 English. We were the spelling bee champions. We 285 00:11:07,725 --> 00:11:10,285 know how to dissect sentences, which they don't 286 00:11:10,285 --> 00:11:12,840 do anymore, I guess, but we just mastered 287 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:14,679 grammar, punctuation, 288 00:11:15,139 --> 00:11:17,779 English, and we love to read. Oh my 289 00:11:17,779 --> 00:11:19,299 gosh. Oh my god. Now you put a 290 00:11:19,299 --> 00:11:20,740 little fear in me. So now every time 291 00:11:20,740 --> 00:11:22,419 I text or email you, I'm gonna go, 292 00:11:22,419 --> 00:11:24,014 oh my gosh. This is definitely not Queen's 293 00:11:24,014 --> 00:11:26,274 English. I think one is called Joanie's English. 294 00:11:26,415 --> 00:11:28,894 Oh, it's all good. But so that formed 295 00:11:28,894 --> 00:11:32,095 a foundation for us to understand excellent writing 296 00:11:32,095 --> 00:11:34,835 and speech. However, I think colloquial 297 00:11:35,455 --> 00:11:35,955 colloquialisms 298 00:11:36,495 --> 00:11:36,995 and 299 00:11:37,350 --> 00:11:39,850 slang are great. They just have their place. 300 00:11:39,909 --> 00:11:42,470 Mhmm. So I can use wrong verbs sometimes. 301 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:44,409 Like, I'll say ain't if I need to. 302 00:11:44,549 --> 00:11:46,309 Mhmm. Mhmm. How does it feel when you 303 00:11:46,309 --> 00:11:48,089 say that? It's liberating. But 304 00:11:48,470 --> 00:11:51,154 I love it. I love it. Yeah. Okay. 305 00:11:51,154 --> 00:11:52,915 What's another example of a verb that might 306 00:11:52,915 --> 00:11:54,295 be liberating for you? 307 00:11:55,154 --> 00:11:56,595 It starts with an f, and I don't 308 00:11:56,595 --> 00:11:58,995 know that it's appropriate for breakout. Okay. Fruit. 309 00:11:58,995 --> 00:12:00,915 Okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got 310 00:12:00,915 --> 00:12:02,959 it. Got it. Got it. Okay. Fantastic. 311 00:12:03,419 --> 00:12:04,939 Yes. And and we don't use that kind 312 00:12:04,939 --> 00:12:07,579 of language here too. Exactly. Exactly. It's but, 313 00:12:07,579 --> 00:12:09,419 you know, I as a high school teacher, 314 00:12:09,419 --> 00:12:11,179 I heard that word quite a bit. You 315 00:12:11,179 --> 00:12:12,379 know? And in fact, one of the other 316 00:12:12,379 --> 00:12:14,945 words I heard throughout my life is, oh, 317 00:12:14,945 --> 00:12:16,945 and and everybody, I think you know by 318 00:12:16,945 --> 00:12:18,705 now that I am a lesbian, but I 319 00:12:18,705 --> 00:12:22,165 would hear very often, you're gay. You're gay. 320 00:12:22,225 --> 00:12:24,644 You're queer. And those were derogatory 321 00:12:25,024 --> 00:12:26,705 words back then. Mhmm. I don't think they 322 00:12:26,705 --> 00:12:28,245 quite fit in the queen's English. 323 00:12:29,089 --> 00:12:31,029 Oh, no. You know what? For us, 324 00:12:31,409 --> 00:12:33,829 being polite and kind was, 325 00:12:34,209 --> 00:12:36,049 you know, no matter what you're saying, being 326 00:12:36,049 --> 00:12:37,750 polite and kind is more important. 327 00:12:38,610 --> 00:12:40,769 Period. So we were taught that too. It's 328 00:12:40,769 --> 00:12:43,089 really important. And I think, Joni, that's a 329 00:12:43,089 --> 00:12:45,794 gift that we were taught how to act 330 00:12:45,794 --> 00:12:48,434 and be nice people, be kind people, loving 331 00:12:48,434 --> 00:12:50,835 people. Therefore, when I have a roomful of 332 00:12:50,835 --> 00:12:53,414 15 people who all wanna write a book, 333 00:12:53,715 --> 00:12:56,595 there's an we're exuding, just like you, joy, 334 00:12:56,595 --> 00:12:57,654 love, acceptance, 335 00:12:58,034 --> 00:12:58,534 peace, 336 00:12:59,470 --> 00:13:02,269 celebration of everyone, embracing everyone, no matter who 337 00:13:02,269 --> 00:13:04,110 you are, where you're from, what you're doing. 338 00:13:04,110 --> 00:13:04,610 Mhmm. 339 00:13:04,990 --> 00:13:07,470 So, yeah, it's really it's all rooted in 340 00:13:07,470 --> 00:13:08,529 childhood, and 341 00:13:09,149 --> 00:13:10,830 Mhmm. Mhmm. And and you think of the 342 00:13:10,830 --> 00:13:12,669 families that are really good at doing that, 343 00:13:12,669 --> 00:13:14,605 just like your father sat at the table 344 00:13:14,605 --> 00:13:16,924 while you did homework, and he's journaling. Mhmm. 345 00:13:16,924 --> 00:13:19,245 So you're seeing him do his writing. Right. 346 00:13:19,245 --> 00:13:21,324 You're doing your writing. What a role model 347 00:13:21,324 --> 00:13:23,404 example. Yeah. All your families out there right 348 00:13:23,404 --> 00:13:25,804 now, think about that. You could be journaling 349 00:13:25,804 --> 00:13:27,324 for just two or three minutes at the 350 00:13:27,324 --> 00:13:29,509 table with your children or grandchildren, 351 00:13:29,889 --> 00:13:32,450 and what an impact that could make. Yes. 352 00:13:32,450 --> 00:13:34,850 And concurrent with that, Joni, our mother was 353 00:13:34,850 --> 00:13:37,830 at law school working full time all day, 354 00:13:38,129 --> 00:13:40,850 law school at night for three years, studying 355 00:13:40,850 --> 00:13:41,669 on the weekends, 356 00:13:42,335 --> 00:13:43,795 and she was demonstrating 357 00:13:44,254 --> 00:13:47,215 that hard work and sacrifice pay off. Yes. 358 00:13:47,215 --> 00:13:49,134 Because she passed the bar exam on her 359 00:13:49,134 --> 00:13:49,955 first try, 360 00:13:50,415 --> 00:13:52,174 and she didn't become a lawyer to save 361 00:13:52,174 --> 00:13:54,335 the world. She became a lawyer to send 362 00:13:54,335 --> 00:13:56,035 her two daughters to college 363 00:13:56,549 --> 00:13:58,629 because our father would be retiring right when 364 00:13:58,629 --> 00:14:00,950 we hit 18 because he was older. Okay. 365 00:14:00,950 --> 00:14:03,370 So she literally sent me and my sister 366 00:14:03,590 --> 00:14:04,970 to the University of Michigan, 367 00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:08,389 no scholarships, no financial aid. She paid for 368 00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:10,789 it herself because she became a lawyer. Oh 369 00:14:10,789 --> 00:14:13,414 my gosh. That is amazing. Yeah. Amazing. 370 00:14:14,115 --> 00:14:17,075 Oh, I know. There's an emotional attachment there. 371 00:14:17,075 --> 00:14:19,154 It's not just not the money that gets 372 00:14:19,154 --> 00:14:21,154 you to college, but it was like she 373 00:14:21,154 --> 00:14:24,090 did that for you and for Catherine. Right. 374 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:27,290 And so with that demonstrating the hard work 375 00:14:27,450 --> 00:14:30,350 Yes. That taught us to be very industrious 376 00:14:30,970 --> 00:14:33,290 and have a strong work ethic with our 377 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:35,610 company. Right on. Right on. You know? And 378 00:14:35,610 --> 00:14:37,529 the title of this show is joyously free, 379 00:14:37,529 --> 00:14:39,524 Elizabeth. Mhmm. To me, that is like a 380 00:14:39,524 --> 00:14:41,524 joyously free moment. And I could see it 381 00:14:41,524 --> 00:14:42,485 in your eyes when you had a little 382 00:14:42,485 --> 00:14:43,764 bit of tears, a little bit of well 383 00:14:43,764 --> 00:14:45,365 laid of of water in there. Mhmm. When 384 00:14:45,365 --> 00:14:47,204 you talked about that, about your mom. And 385 00:14:47,204 --> 00:14:48,804 and I have not met your mother. I 386 00:14:48,804 --> 00:14:50,164 look forward to the day that I get 387 00:14:50,164 --> 00:14:51,924 to. And I will see your dad when 388 00:14:51,924 --> 00:14:53,125 I get to heaven. And I know my 389 00:14:53,125 --> 00:14:55,269 my Carol and your dad are probably conversing 390 00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:56,950 and talking right now Yeah. As our two 391 00:14:56,950 --> 00:14:59,029 angels up there. Mhmm. But I I guess 392 00:14:59,029 --> 00:15:00,970 my point is joyously free. 393 00:15:01,350 --> 00:15:02,889 I had a blast 394 00:15:03,669 --> 00:15:04,169 writing 395 00:15:04,549 --> 00:15:06,250 with you Uh-huh. Coauthoring 396 00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:09,225 the book joyously free. Mhmm. Will you talk 397 00:15:09,225 --> 00:15:10,445 about your experience 398 00:15:10,825 --> 00:15:11,325 working 399 00:15:11,784 --> 00:15:12,445 with me 400 00:15:12,825 --> 00:15:16,345 and contributing writers Mhmm. About joyously free? Well, 401 00:15:16,345 --> 00:15:18,365 first of all, I absolutely love the title. 402 00:15:18,825 --> 00:15:21,589 I love the cover of the exploding rainbow 403 00:15:21,589 --> 00:15:23,669 colors that we selected that you now have 404 00:15:23,669 --> 00:15:24,809 tattooed on your arm. 405 00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:28,309 So I just glanced at that book cover, 406 00:15:28,309 --> 00:15:31,029 and I'm so happy. Mhmm. And not only 407 00:15:31,029 --> 00:15:32,470 do you and I get to share our 408 00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:35,209 stories, but having 32 contributors, 409 00:15:35,865 --> 00:15:38,125 most of whom had never been published before, 410 00:15:38,664 --> 00:15:41,144 was huge. That is an act of being 411 00:15:41,144 --> 00:15:43,804 joyously free to share your story. 412 00:15:44,825 --> 00:15:46,745 Some of whom had, you know, never done 413 00:15:46,745 --> 00:15:47,245 that 414 00:15:48,105 --> 00:15:50,524 about being gay or LGBTQ plus 415 00:15:50,899 --> 00:15:52,360 because that's huge. 416 00:15:52,820 --> 00:15:55,000 Scary, you don't know how people will react, 417 00:15:55,940 --> 00:15:56,440 and 418 00:15:56,899 --> 00:15:59,139 that's a bold act, and that's our mission, 419 00:15:59,139 --> 00:16:01,160 is to help people be bold, free, 420 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:04,679 and proud and proud, and sparkle, of course. 421 00:16:04,820 --> 00:16:07,825 Yes, Yes. Oh, good. So I loved that 422 00:16:07,825 --> 00:16:09,904 book. I still love that book. It makes 423 00:16:09,904 --> 00:16:12,065 me happy just to look at it. Mhmm. 424 00:16:12,065 --> 00:16:15,184 And it's filled with such guidance Mhmm. And 425 00:16:15,184 --> 00:16:18,545 literally literal information that can help people. Mhmm. 426 00:16:18,545 --> 00:16:20,929 And it has saved lives. It has helped 427 00:16:20,929 --> 00:16:23,009 other people come out. Mhmm. It has helped 428 00:16:23,009 --> 00:16:23,509 families, 429 00:16:23,970 --> 00:16:26,710 especially grandparents and parents that are questioning, 430 00:16:27,090 --> 00:16:29,170 how how do I how do I deal 431 00:16:29,170 --> 00:16:31,809 with how do I accept, celebrate, even use 432 00:16:31,809 --> 00:16:32,309 pronouns 433 00:16:32,694 --> 00:16:35,434 for my daughter that has just transitioned to 434 00:16:35,574 --> 00:16:37,975 a man? And how about my grandson that 435 00:16:37,975 --> 00:16:39,194 has come out as bisexual? 436 00:16:39,654 --> 00:16:42,054 So many issues that book has helped with. 437 00:16:42,054 --> 00:16:44,214 Yeah. I I'm so happy about that. Mhmm. 438 00:16:44,214 --> 00:16:46,580 You know? Well, that, Joni, like, we talk 439 00:16:46,580 --> 00:16:49,080 about on our podcast on YouTube every Friday, 440 00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:49,960 how 441 00:16:50,419 --> 00:16:52,279 it's not just a book, it's a mission. 442 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:53,799 Mhmm. And it really, 443 00:16:54,179 --> 00:16:55,940 is part of the mission of two sisters 444 00:16:55,940 --> 00:16:56,919 writing and publishing 445 00:16:57,225 --> 00:16:57,725 to 446 00:16:58,184 --> 00:16:59,485 promote people 447 00:17:00,105 --> 00:17:02,044 and inclusion, diversity, 448 00:17:02,584 --> 00:17:03,084 love, 449 00:17:03,625 --> 00:17:06,984 joy, and the book Joyously Free is so 450 00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:08,044 a part of that. 451 00:17:08,424 --> 00:17:10,845 Because everyone should be embraced and celebrated 452 00:17:11,144 --> 00:17:12,125 for love. 453 00:17:12,940 --> 00:17:13,680 We don't understand 454 00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:18,000 how love can inspire hate in some. Mhmm. 455 00:17:18,539 --> 00:17:19,039 When 456 00:17:19,660 --> 00:17:21,660 people are in love with doesn't matter what 457 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:25,424 other gender. Mhmm. Some people cannot accept that. 458 00:17:25,424 --> 00:17:27,865 We are just boggled. We don't get it. 459 00:17:27,865 --> 00:17:29,964 So, when we publish a book promoting 460 00:17:30,345 --> 00:17:31,484 Love is Love, 461 00:17:32,264 --> 00:17:34,684 it is just a beautiful contribution 462 00:17:35,065 --> 00:17:37,224 to the world. It just gives me chills 463 00:17:37,224 --> 00:17:38,204 when you say that. 464 00:17:38,830 --> 00:17:41,630 It's true. It's true. That's our mission, because 465 00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:43,490 our parents' interracial marriage, 466 00:17:43,869 --> 00:17:45,009 back in the sixties, 467 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:48,109 it was still illegal in 16 states for 468 00:17:48,109 --> 00:17:50,269 people to have an interracial marriage when they 469 00:17:50,269 --> 00:17:50,769 married, 470 00:17:51,174 --> 00:17:53,355 which is dumb. We just cannot 471 00:17:53,734 --> 00:17:54,234 comprehend 472 00:17:54,615 --> 00:17:55,595 that. Mhmm. 473 00:17:55,894 --> 00:17:56,394 Segregation, 474 00:17:56,775 --> 00:17:57,275 discrimination. 475 00:17:57,734 --> 00:17:59,914 All of it. Yes. Yeah. It's love, 476 00:18:00,295 --> 00:18:01,355 period. Wins. 477 00:18:01,815 --> 00:18:02,315 Period. 478 00:18:02,855 --> 00:18:04,474 Yep. Love wins. Right? 479 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:07,460 Always. Yeah. Always and always. 480 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:11,279 I love it. Mhmm. So anything we can 481 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:13,860 do to contribute to that 482 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:14,900 message, 483 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,220 we do, and being a publisher 484 00:18:17,914 --> 00:18:21,194 with that mission is very powerful. Awesome. Awesome. 485 00:18:21,194 --> 00:18:23,454 Awesome. Awesome. Just a few nights ago, 486 00:18:23,755 --> 00:18:26,714 you had the privilege, and contributing writers had 487 00:18:26,714 --> 00:18:29,034 the privilege to meet you face to face, 488 00:18:29,034 --> 00:18:31,515 eyeball to eyeball for the first time. What 489 00:18:31,515 --> 00:18:32,575 was that like? 490 00:18:32,990 --> 00:18:35,230 Oh my gosh. Oh, at the beautiful reception 491 00:18:35,230 --> 00:18:37,630 that you hosted in an oceanfront home. Thank 492 00:18:37,630 --> 00:18:39,730 you, John and Ron. That was beautiful. 493 00:18:41,230 --> 00:18:43,090 Joni, that was beautiful, 494 00:18:43,549 --> 00:18:44,049 especially, 495 00:18:45,950 --> 00:18:46,450 Doris, 496 00:18:46,964 --> 00:18:50,644 both Dorises, but Doris and, Kathy? Yes. Oh 497 00:18:50,644 --> 00:18:52,744 my gosh. This lady, is she 93? 498 00:18:53,085 --> 00:18:55,605 I 93? I wanna say 90 something. Yeah. 499 00:18:55,605 --> 00:18:58,505 Oh my god. Here's this lady, so powerful, 500 00:18:58,644 --> 00:19:01,065 so strong, and been at it for decades, 501 00:19:01,829 --> 00:19:04,009 way before all the freedoms of today. 502 00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:07,049 I admire her so much. 503 00:19:07,829 --> 00:19:09,669 Blows my mind. I just hugged her and 504 00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:11,049 hugged her and hugged her. 505 00:19:11,429 --> 00:19:14,549 Oh, my gosh. Like, she's a trailblazer just 506 00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:15,289 like you. 507 00:19:16,125 --> 00:19:18,205 Doesn't care what the world thinks. She did 508 00:19:18,205 --> 00:19:19,585 her thing. She lived her, 509 00:19:19,884 --> 00:19:20,865 loved her partner 510 00:19:22,045 --> 00:19:23,984 how she wanted to way 511 00:19:24,445 --> 00:19:27,164 before. Right. It was open and out as 512 00:19:27,164 --> 00:19:29,190 the world is today. Right. And her story 513 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:30,730 is so cool. She wrote it in joyously 514 00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:32,869 free. And her story is she was married 515 00:19:32,869 --> 00:19:34,970 to a man, has children, has grandchildren, 516 00:19:35,349 --> 00:19:37,750 and then left that relationship when she realized 517 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:39,829 this is really not my true self. It 518 00:19:39,829 --> 00:19:42,015 was I'm not being authentic. And she fell 519 00:19:42,015 --> 00:19:43,695 in love with Kathy. And the way she 520 00:19:43,695 --> 00:19:46,015 wrote it in the book, joyously free, just 521 00:19:46,015 --> 00:19:48,654 touches your heart. It's just incredible. And then 522 00:19:48,654 --> 00:19:49,795 meeting Sally. 523 00:19:50,335 --> 00:19:52,494 Sally and Todd. Yes. And and, 524 00:19:53,659 --> 00:19:56,619 Bob and Diane. Correct. Mhmm. Correct. That was 525 00:19:56,619 --> 00:19:58,000 amazing to meet them, 526 00:19:58,380 --> 00:19:58,880 and 527 00:19:59,419 --> 00:19:59,919 just 528 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:02,700 face to face, because we all corresponded over 529 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:04,859 Zoom and email for the book, but to 530 00:20:04,859 --> 00:20:06,299 meet them face to face and to thank 531 00:20:06,299 --> 00:20:08,833 them for contributing to our book was amazing. 532 00:20:08,833 --> 00:20:11,039 Right. And you're so full of gratitude and 533 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:13,244 thank you. I I think you must say 534 00:20:13,244 --> 00:20:15,450 that a zillion times a day, but it's 535 00:20:15,450 --> 00:20:17,931 all so beautifully, expressed when you say that. 536 00:20:17,931 --> 00:20:20,137 It means something. Some people can say things, 537 00:20:20,137 --> 00:20:21,880 like, all the time, and it doesn't mean 538 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,799 anything. But when you say thank you, I 539 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:25,480 know you mean it, and same with Catherine. 540 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,559 Oh, thanks, Joni. And that's a good point 541 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:29,000 for all the listeners. You know? So right 542 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,920 now, I wanna thank the listeners for being 543 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,440 with us. You know? You could be doing 544 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,200 anything else right now than but I'm I'm 545 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,799 so glad you're with us. I'm so glad 546 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:38,164 you're with us. Speaking of gratitude, Joni, Catherine 547 00:20:38,164 --> 00:20:40,085 and I dedicated our new book to our 548 00:20:40,085 --> 00:20:42,345 parents for the very reasons that I stated. 549 00:20:42,404 --> 00:20:44,965 Oh, wow. Thomas Lee Atkins and Marilyn e 550 00:20:44,965 --> 00:20:47,445 Atkins, judge Marilyn e Atkins. We dedicated it 551 00:20:47,445 --> 00:20:49,205 to them, and we had a book sent 552 00:20:49,205 --> 00:20:50,884 to my mother. She said, thanks for the 553 00:20:50,884 --> 00:20:52,660 book. And we're like, did you read the 554 00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:54,259 dedication? Oh, no. I'll read it in the 555 00:20:54,259 --> 00:20:56,600 morning. I'm like, okay. 556 00:20:57,380 --> 00:20:57,960 She just 557 00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:01,000 she wrote her book, the triumph of rosemary, 558 00:21:01,059 --> 00:21:03,000 and she's like, I don't need your tips. 559 00:21:03,059 --> 00:21:05,174 But, anyway, she read the dedication. She was 560 00:21:05,735 --> 00:21:08,134 That's a mom for you. Totally, totally, and 561 00:21:08,134 --> 00:21:08,795 a judge. 562 00:21:09,095 --> 00:21:11,174 She's like, I can do this myself. Uh-huh. 563 00:21:11,174 --> 00:21:13,335 And she rocked it. Everybody loves her book 564 00:21:13,335 --> 00:21:15,575 because she wrote it in a conversational way, 565 00:21:15,575 --> 00:21:17,735 and it's hopefully gonna be a movie soon, 566 00:21:17,735 --> 00:21:20,269 so. That's so cool. That's so cool. You 567 00:21:20,269 --> 00:21:21,630 know, and speaking of your mother, I think 568 00:21:21,630 --> 00:21:24,029 of my good friend, Dan, Daniel. Yes. And 569 00:21:24,029 --> 00:21:25,869 so Dan and I, just recently had a 570 00:21:25,869 --> 00:21:28,109 trip down to Loreto, Mexico. Mhmm. And he 571 00:21:28,109 --> 00:21:30,830 shared with me that he has read your 572 00:21:30,830 --> 00:21:31,650 mom's book 573 00:21:32,095 --> 00:21:35,214 three times. Mhmm. And from front from the 574 00:21:35,214 --> 00:21:36,994 beginning to the end, nonstop, 575 00:21:37,615 --> 00:21:40,194 five, six, seven, eight, nine hours later. Amazing. 576 00:21:40,494 --> 00:21:42,414 Can you talk about that? That blew my 577 00:21:42,414 --> 00:21:44,815 mind when we well, we did our podcast. 578 00:21:44,815 --> 00:21:46,654 Joni and Daniel were on the beach in 579 00:21:46,654 --> 00:21:47,390 Mexico snowbound 580 00:21:48,730 --> 00:21:49,230 Michigan, 581 00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:50,309 but 582 00:21:50,890 --> 00:21:51,549 that was fun. 583 00:21:51,930 --> 00:21:54,170 But Daniel revealed that he's read this book 584 00:21:54,170 --> 00:21:56,410 multiple times, and his statement is that if 585 00:21:56,410 --> 00:21:58,750 she can do this, I can do anything. 586 00:21:58,890 --> 00:22:00,490 Mhmm. And that's really the point of a 587 00:22:00,490 --> 00:22:02,894 book. Mhmm. Mhmm. Is to is to fill 588 00:22:02,894 --> 00:22:05,414 people with that kind of inspiration. Right. Mhmm. 589 00:22:05,414 --> 00:22:07,375 It's so true. It's so true. Well, I 590 00:22:07,375 --> 00:22:08,654 know we're gonna be winding down in a 591 00:22:08,654 --> 00:22:10,654 few minutes, but I wanna ask, are there 592 00:22:10,654 --> 00:22:11,555 any tips 593 00:22:12,015 --> 00:22:13,855 that you would like to share that maybe 594 00:22:13,855 --> 00:22:16,070 you've already shared at this beautiful South Coast 595 00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:17,910 Writers Conference as a recap or a summary 596 00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:19,750 Uh-huh. Or anything else on your heart? Any 597 00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:22,549 tips? Any tips? Yes. Everybody should write their 598 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:24,809 life story whether you publish it or not. 599 00:22:25,109 --> 00:22:27,529 The act of writing your life story reflecting 600 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:29,910 on what you've done throughout the decades of 601 00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:30,570 your life 602 00:22:31,065 --> 00:22:32,765 is an act of self love, 603 00:22:33,224 --> 00:22:33,724 affirmation, 604 00:22:34,505 --> 00:22:35,005 empowerment. 605 00:22:35,784 --> 00:22:37,964 You are going to be filled with awe 606 00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:40,585 that you survived certain things and you're still 607 00:22:40,585 --> 00:22:41,085 standing, 608 00:22:41,625 --> 00:22:43,544 that you learned from all the things you 609 00:22:43,544 --> 00:22:45,565 never gave up because you're still here, 610 00:22:46,059 --> 00:22:48,720 and that you have lessons to share. Mhmm. 611 00:22:48,779 --> 00:22:51,259 And so, please write your story. Just start 612 00:22:51,259 --> 00:22:51,759 today. 613 00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:53,900 Start with making a list of all the 614 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:56,619 stories you always tell. Mhmm. At dinner parties 615 00:22:56,619 --> 00:22:58,240 or with people you just met, 616 00:22:59,265 --> 00:23:02,144 write those down and start writing them out. 617 00:23:02,144 --> 00:23:04,144 And if you don't wanna write physically, you 618 00:23:04,144 --> 00:23:06,225 can do it into your phone app, the, 619 00:23:06,545 --> 00:23:09,125 audio app, and just start writing. 620 00:23:09,505 --> 00:23:12,005 I mean, talking the stories out and then 621 00:23:12,065 --> 00:23:13,740 do voice to text and you don't have 622 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:15,740 to do any writing yourself. Mhmm. But just 623 00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:17,039 write it down. Your family 624 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,140 will love it. Mhmm. It's your legacy. Mhmm. 625 00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:22,619 And it should be preserved. Absolutely. Mhmm. You 626 00:23:22,619 --> 00:23:24,299 know? And related to that, I think back 627 00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:26,384 when you were my coach, and you said, 628 00:23:26,384 --> 00:23:28,305 Joni, what are the the stories you always 629 00:23:28,305 --> 00:23:30,785 tell people? And they're funny ones. It was 630 00:23:30,785 --> 00:23:33,505 the javelinas, these wild boar Right. That came 631 00:23:33,505 --> 00:23:36,144 into our condo, and they're running all around. 632 00:23:36,144 --> 00:23:37,825 And and you have to read about it 633 00:23:37,825 --> 00:23:39,585 and none better. But the bottom line was 634 00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:43,230 these five humongous boars, you know, 100 pounds 635 00:23:43,230 --> 00:23:45,390 with coarse hair and big tusks Oh my 636 00:23:45,390 --> 00:23:47,789 god. Into the sliding glass door. And and 637 00:23:47,789 --> 00:23:49,869 then and then the scene of of Carol 638 00:23:49,869 --> 00:23:52,029 and I at the Saint Patrick's Cathedral, and 639 00:23:52,029 --> 00:23:53,950 the holy water spilled all over, and I 640 00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:55,974 have a wet T shirt act. And so 641 00:23:56,054 --> 00:23:57,494 but, you know, so when when you're writing 642 00:23:57,494 --> 00:24:00,394 down these things, you're gonna have hilarious ones, 643 00:24:00,454 --> 00:24:02,554 and you're gonna have really, really deep, 644 00:24:03,015 --> 00:24:03,515 saddening, 645 00:24:04,054 --> 00:24:06,615 hard, depressed kind of things that come out. 646 00:24:06,615 --> 00:24:08,934 And so what I loved about your coaching 647 00:24:08,934 --> 00:24:11,140 and your experience, and you've shared that here 648 00:24:11,140 --> 00:24:11,880 at the seminar, 649 00:24:12,339 --> 00:24:14,819 is to be authentic Mhmm. And let that 650 00:24:14,819 --> 00:24:17,859 writing heal you. Yes. Absolutely. Would you comment 651 00:24:17,859 --> 00:24:20,179 just a little bit on that? Yes. So 652 00:24:20,179 --> 00:24:22,660 when you write about it, you're purging. There's 653 00:24:22,660 --> 00:24:24,900 all this pent up energy around the trauma, 654 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:27,174 the pain, the hurt. And when you write 655 00:24:27,174 --> 00:24:28,615 about it, you purged out of your body 656 00:24:28,615 --> 00:24:30,215 just like if you have an upset stomach 657 00:24:30,215 --> 00:24:32,215 and you throw up. Your body got rid 658 00:24:32,215 --> 00:24:34,715 of that offending substance, so you feel better. 659 00:24:35,255 --> 00:24:37,335 And that's what happens when you write. It's 660 00:24:37,335 --> 00:24:39,654 very healing. It allows you to reflect and 661 00:24:39,654 --> 00:24:41,515 release it literally. 662 00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:45,029 Mhmm. Perfect. Okay. Twenty seconds. Give us a 663 00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:46,570 quick little final comments. 664 00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:50,309 Oh, okay. Everybody, please write your book. I'm 665 00:24:50,309 --> 00:24:52,390 very grateful that I'm here with you, Joni. 666 00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:54,470 And everybody, please get our book, Write Your 667 00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:56,390 Book in a Day, The Blueprint for Turning 668 00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:58,365 Your Book Dreams into Published Reality. And where 669 00:24:58,365 --> 00:25:00,365 do they get it? Amazon, Barnes and Noble, 670 00:25:00,365 --> 00:25:01,725 2sisterswriting.com, 671 00:25:01,725 --> 00:25:03,345 anywhere you buy books online. 672 00:25:03,884 --> 00:25:05,245 It's a brand new book, and it will 673 00:25:05,245 --> 00:25:07,164 change your life. Absolutely. And if you're in 674 00:25:07,164 --> 00:25:09,404 Brookings, Oregon, it has been donated and at 675 00:25:09,404 --> 00:25:11,880 the library. Yes. Check check the library. And 676 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,559 it will be in the Crescent City library 677 00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:15,480 soon. Right on. Mhmm. Right on. Thank you, 678 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,480 Tony. Oh my gosh, Elizabeth. This is so 679 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,740 cool. It's, like, high fives, hugs, and everything. 680 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,039 So I wanna thank you, the beautiful listeners, 681 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:25,055 on the gorgeous Southern Oregon area, the middle 682 00:25:25,055 --> 00:25:28,174 of the Rogue Valley, and, of course, Northern 683 00:25:28,174 --> 00:25:28,674 California, 684 00:25:28,975 --> 00:25:32,015 the majestic Rogue Valley, the the coastal area 685 00:25:32,015 --> 00:25:34,755 right here. We have enjoyed you being joyously 686 00:25:34,815 --> 00:25:36,735 free with us today. We hope you've been 687 00:25:36,735 --> 00:25:38,670 inspired, challenged, and have had 688 00:25:39,390 --> 00:25:41,710 great stories and tips to give you the 689 00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:43,950 guts to go do and what what recommended 690 00:25:43,950 --> 00:25:46,910 by Elizabeth. Write your book. Wowser Wowser. What 691 00:25:46,910 --> 00:25:49,650 a phenomenal day with you. High tens, hugs, 692 00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:51,309 lots of clapping. If we could have a 693 00:25:51,309 --> 00:25:53,309 clapping app, that would be great. We wanna 694 00:25:53,309 --> 00:25:54,154 thank Tom, 695 00:25:54,615 --> 00:25:56,695 Mike, and especially Mike for setting this up 696 00:25:56,695 --> 00:25:59,335 here at SWOC, the Outwest Oregon Community College 697 00:25:59,335 --> 00:26:01,115 right in this room here. It's fantastic. 698 00:26:01,494 --> 00:26:02,795 We wanna thank KCIW, 699 00:26:03,174 --> 00:26:03,674 KZZH, 700 00:26:04,134 --> 00:26:04,634 KSKQ. 701 00:26:05,414 --> 00:26:07,990 Please share this. Relisten to it. Let's give 702 00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:09,829 a couple shout outs to the people that 703 00:26:09,829 --> 00:26:13,190 sponsor JoyCie free radio. Steve Van Cleave up 704 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:13,849 in Alaska, 705 00:26:14,150 --> 00:26:16,789 Sally and Todd Roy. Thank you so much 706 00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:18,569 for making this dream a reality. 707 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:20,950 Remember, you can find my books or you 708 00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:22,409 can find more of these podcasts 709 00:26:22,724 --> 00:26:24,964 right here locally and or around in all 710 00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:27,285 any of those areas. So with that, on 711 00:26:27,285 --> 00:26:29,304 behalf of KCIW, KZZH, 712 00:26:29,684 --> 00:26:30,184 KSKQ, 713 00:26:31,045 --> 00:26:34,724 Nate Dawg, Jeff, Mike, Tom, Candice, Rose, we 714 00:26:34,724 --> 00:26:36,960 say thanks for tuning in. See you around 715 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,460 town. 716 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,299 Smile big and 717 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,099 wear bright colors. Woo hoo. 718 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,819 Thank you. Thank you. Love day, everybody. 719 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,179 Thanks, Joni.