Speaker 0: Welcome. You have now entered the cosmic radio receptors of KCRW one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon. Thank you for tuning into this week's interesting program. I'm doctor Gigi, and my cohost is, as always, Jacques Kepner. How are you today, Jacques? Speaker 1: I'm the chef today. I'm wearing my chef jacket. Speaker 0: Ah, Jacques. Speaker 1: Greetings, everyone, and welcome to the Doc and Jacques Radio Variety Show. Special thanks to engineer Tom Bozak. Hey, Tom. Thank you for being in that booth. And where is Ray Simon? He's not in the booth today, but we might catch up with him in just a bit. Linda Bozak out there listening and Michael Gorse and Rick and Ray. And if anybody else is out there, thank you for tuning in to this, this show, this live show here Speaker 0: on Interesting. Speaker 1: Yeah. KCIW one hundred point seven. I wanna, let you know that this exact same show, today's show, will be syndicated and broadcast next week at 8AM on Wednesday, every Wednesday on k z z h ninety six point seven FM in Eureka Humboldt. So this show has a really pertinent note for all of you people to the South of Crescent City and Brookings where we are. Listen in on today's show because it does affect you. And then a few hours later on that same Wednesday, a week from now, this show will be heard at 1PM on my old alma mater, KFUG, one zero one point one FM in Crescent City, California. So now we now you know the doctor. Yeah. The doctor Gigi and I have your coasts covered. Okay. It's a time when good medicine and health tips such as presented by my German medical doctor who holds not one, two, three, but I found out four patents in your own name and university professor and doctor doctor you know, Gigi Reed. What medical marvels do you have for us today on this week's segment of MDG? Speaker 0: Why, thank you. Okay. Today, it won't be as fun because you won't have a lot of jokes to to say to our, MD ten. Today, I will be discussing post traumatic stress disorder or Speaker 1: PTSD. I know. Speaker 0: Which is a mental health condition that can develop after someone lives through or witnesses a traumatic event that felt felt overwhelming, terrifying, or life threatening. Speaker 1: I wonder how long PTSD has been around. I mean, when did they Speaker 2: I don't know. Do you know that? It's been around as long as you've been Speaker 1: a doctor. You've dealt with it. Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. It's been oh, yeah. For a long time. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 0: It's not a sign of weakness, mind you. It is when the brain and body remain stuck, so to speak, in a survival mode long after the danger has passed. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 0: When we talk about PTSD, we mean a cluster or different kinds of symptoms that start after a trauma and interfere with the day to day life. So let's see some common symptoms. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 0: Some people have intrusion thoughts, unwanted memories, nightmares, or flashbacks that feel like the event is happening again. Speaker 1: Is that kinda maybe something like shell shocked? Yeah. I've I've witnessed a woman, an Iraqi that was in The States visiting that had gone through the Gulf War in '91. And she came to The States after this, and we were in Fremont, California. And a plane flew overhead, and she freaked out and jumped out of the table because it brought back her shell shock. She was out of it. She was completely crazed, because she had experienced that Speaker 0: horrible. That would be the hyperarousal, being on edge, jumpy, easily startled, having trouble sleeping, irritable. Speaker 1: That's me 247. Speaker 0: Right. And that lady. People have avoidance, steering clear of reminders of the trauma, including people that they don't wanna see, places, conversations, or even feelings. Speaker 1: Interesting. Speaker 0: And some other negative changes in mood are always apparent. They always or often feel detached, unum, have guilt or shame, have loss of interest, persistent negative beliefs like I'm broken or the world's completely unsafe, etcetera. Speaker 1: Well, that's bordered on the area of what, schizophrenic almost? No. Speaker 0: No. I mean, you can well, yeah, if you overdo it. So there are some diseases, which I will talk about in a second, that might seem similar. But all these, signs can come one edit only one or all of them together within PTSD. Speaker 1: Wow. Well, PTSD goes well with our theme and guest today as Wes Bruning and Ray Simon will be talking about the Speaker 0: Ray Simon is there. Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that is Ray Simon. He's in the studio with the city. He's not in the engineer's booth. So that brings him back into the fold. Okay. They'll be talking about the Cascadian event or a disaster that, we are literally sitting right on top of, but we'll get around to that in just a moment. Continue with PTSD, doc. Speaker 0: Okay. So PTSD always begins with the exposure of a traumatic event, which can be it's well known in combat or war, physical or sexual assault or other interpersonal violence. Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to do that, point. Speaker 0: Serious accidents, car crashes Speaker 1: Oh. Police injuries. Bad, Speaker 0: Natural disasters. Speaker 1: A nat well, there it is. That's her That's Speaker 0: Canals. Canals, fires, terrorist attacks. Speaker 1: Oh, yikes. Yeah. Speaker 0: So some of one of them we will or some of them we will discuss today. Okay. Sudden loss of a loved one or life threatening medical events. Speaker 1: That's a big one. Right? The loss the grief issue is huge when you lose your Right. Speaker 0: And there's grief and there's PTSD. Right? Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. Totally separate. Speaker 0: Not everyone who goes through certain traumas actually develops PTSD. So there are different multiple contributing factors to consider. Speaker 1: K. Speaker 0: For example, if there are repeated or severe trauma patterns, especially in childhood, when we don't know how to work on those experiences? Speaker 1: Oh, we're not experienced yet. We're just children. Right? Or Speaker 0: Prior traumatic history of preexisting anxiety, depression, or other mental health conditions. So mental health like depression or anxiety doesn't mean it's PTSD, but if you have it, you might be in a higher risk group to actually get PTSD in a traumatic event. If you have a lack of social support after the event, highly likely you develop PTSD. Certainly, if you're physically injured during the trauma, you can never forget the Speaker 1: Which you couldn't be the Cascading event comes down. Speaker 0: Yeah. Family history actually of mental health also is a strong association of experiencing A Speaker 1: marker. Speaker 0: Disease with certain traumatic events. Yep. Speaker 1: And then TBI? Speaker 0: So other conditions can look similar or can occur together. Now we're getting to your thing. Depression and generalized anxiety share the sleep disturbances, the low mood, the worry, not being being weak, just not having interest in anything. Or here's your TBI, traumatic brain injury can overlap in it would overlap in concentration, memory issues, irritability, but it involves a direct brain injury. Okay. And so it's because Alright. Speaker 1: Back up just a little bit here. How many patients do you see and how do you treat PTSD? Speaker 0: We can we treat them with medication because that's what we do. Speaker 1: We just put them on, like, antidepressants or Speaker 0: Yeah. Usually, they're antidepressants such as so what they have found is that people with PTSD similar to anxiety or depression have low, serotonin. So we often use serotonin reuptake reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs, such as Soolafdor. Speaker 1: I've heard this Or SNRIs. Psychedelics and microdosing has helped. Speaker 0: Right? Obviously, we can't prescribe that. And it does so a lot of people do self medicate with psychedelics Yeah. Or, other drugs. And they need Speaker 1: to prescribe it. I mean, based on Or alcohol. Speaker 0: You're the only one laughing. I'm sorry. He's always got He is laughing, but he's trying not to. Speaker 1: But so that's how that's how you treated it. You just basically want it. Speaker 0: Yeah. And so then you have and then sometimes you can't dis distinguish between is this now a substance abuse problem or is it a PTSD problem that has caused a substance abuse problem. And either way, now you have a substance abuse problem that if people know it's actually caused by something else, maybe they will be less partial. Speaker 1: It's big in VA hospitals. I know that because of people that have experienced trauma in war. Speaker 0: Yeah. That is at least double, if not triple, the the occurrence of PTSD is in combat in veterans. Speaker 1: Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Anything else, doc? Speaker 0: No. Punkin. Speaker 1: Alright. Well, thank you for that. You know, we need to return to this a little bit because, again, let's discuss sometime about what options are out there. And on the cutting edge, I have heard, like, they're they're giving micro doses of mushrooms or the people that, go in those isolation tanks or those pods. Speaker 0: Yeah. There's a lot. There's therapy. As a matter of fact, the best. Right. The the the best treatment is therapy, is actually talking through the event so people can re I just can't do it. We can refer, but if they talk about the event, if they can process it, if they get helped in processing the event, there is pretty good, outcome. It's basically how to deal with those thoughts and moods and such. Speaker 1: Yeah. And mental health is with us and there's no shame in it. I think it's come out enough where people don't aren't shamed by saying there's need set mental health. Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. Speaker 1: You know, psychologists and psychiatrists Mhmm. People go to therapy all the time. Alright. Very interesting about PTSD and it does tie in with today's, very interesting show that we are going to be going down the path. I have written a short, prologue and I'd like to read it now. From the quiet shores of the Pacific to the forested hills of Oregon's coast, right where we live and across the city and Hiuchi and down to Klamath and and Eureka and up to Gold Beach and beyond. A, there's a there's a rumble. There is a real rumble growing deep beneath our feet. It's a sound older than our cities, older than the coastline itself. Scientists call this thing the Cascadia Subduction Zone. Let me say that again. Cascadia Subduction Zone. It's a Essentially, it's a 600 mile stretch of fault that runs from Northern California to Vancouver Island. And for centuries, it's been locked. It collects pressure as one Pacific tectonic plate slowly grinds beneath the Speaker 0: Oh. Speaker 1: The continental plate, right? And the West Coast ends right off the coast. And when it finally lets go, it snaps back up in a way, so to speak. And if this happens, the Pacific Northwest could face one of the most powerful natural events in North American history, what experts refer to as the Cascadian event. Now most of us live our lives, blissfully here along the coast. So beautiful. So nice. And we are unaware that beneath our own backyards, beneath our homes, and around our neighborhoods, there is a force capable of changing everything in just a few minutes. Imagine an earthquake so strong that it shakes cities to the core, from Eureka to Seattle and beyond, splitting highways, cutting up bridges, and setting off towering walls of water that race towards the coast tsunamis that could arrive in minutes. And for those living along the Oregon and Northern Cal and Washington border that hug the shoreline, the warnings may be as simple as or as final as the ground itself. Scientists have studied deep ocean cores, ancient shorelines, and native oral histories that describe days when the sea rose up and swallowed whole villages. Their findings reveal a repeating pattern. Every few centuries, this Cascadian subduction zone releases its tension and a massive rupture with the last one striking in the year 01/1700. And it was an earthquake estimated to be in the magnitude of nine point o. More than three hundred years have passed since then, so scientists are saying we're kind of overdue for this to happen again. The ground has been silent, but that silence, say experts, is precisely what makes them uneasy. Now, my guest today, we were talking preshow and we said, we don't wanna we don't wanna sound the alarms and get everybody freaked out. That's a real a real issue that we we have to be careful today on the show because we don't want to make panic, cause panic in our in our beautiful coastline, but it's something we should be fully aware of because there's more. Off our coast, there's another feature that many of you may or may not have heard of. It's called the Atlas Sea Mount, which is a massive, massive water underwater volcano, and it is being quietly monitored by scientists as we speak. It is truly a monster of of of an underwater Vesuvius. Today, we will be hearing from the experts in this on the Cascadia Subduction Zone. They are two minds that are dedicated to understanding these depths of uncertainty. They'll share what what is known, what's still a mystery, and most importantly, what each of us can do to prepare for something that could quite literally, well, reshape the entire Pacific Northwest as we know it. So stay with us as we turn our attention not to faraway headlines or distant disasters, but to the restless earth beneath our own coastlines. This will be a show based on the Cascadia event and a question, is it just if it will happen but when? And these gentlemen are so into tune of what is going on beneath our feet and this future event that they themselves have begun recording yet another great weekly broadcast here on KCOW one hundred point seven FM, and it will be called Cascadia Strong Radio. Stay tuned because in just a few short months in March will be the kickoff for the Cascadia Strong Radio and they will debut this new radio show which will help you prepare for the future events that are surely coming our way. Alright. I've gone on long enough. With that, no more verbiage for me. Let's get on the show, and I would love to introduce, returning guest, Wes Bruning, and our sound engineer now turned Cascadian person. Broadcaster, Ray Simon. So welcome, Wes and Ray. Speaker 2: Well, thank you. Speaker 0: Alright. Yes. Thanks for coming here. Speaker 3: Thank you. Let thanks for letting me come to the other side of the glass. Speaker 1: Yeah. He does. You're the guy that is always on the other side Speaker 3: of the glass. Let me out of the room. Speaker 1: There you go. Alright, Gigi. Speaker 0: Alright, Wes. Let's start with you. Where were you born and raised? Our standard question. Speaker 2: Well, actually, standard standard answer. I was born in San Diego. My dad was in the Navy. And, so I was born in San Diego a long time ago. And, we eventually ended up in Norfolk, Virginia. Dad was in the Navy, and that's where I was raised, in Virginia Beach, actually, on the East Coast. Speaker 0: Oh, when did you come here? Speaker 2: Well, we, moved I moved I went to college again in San Diego, and one reason was I chose San Diego to college was it was 3,000 miles away from Virginia. Right. So that was the primary selling point. And, so I went to college there and went to the Sydney army back in 1969, '70, and '71. Speaker 1: Wow. Speaker 2: And then, went back to college, finished an engineering degree, and then moved to Oregon in 1977 from San Diego. Speaker 1: In '77 to the Oregon Coast? Speaker 2: 1977 to Oregon City. I was working in electronics up in the Portland area. Speaker 1: Portland. Yeah. Speaker 2: And, so then we moved down to Brookings. My wife and I moved down to Brookings just four years ago. Speaker 0: 2002. Everybody moved four to five years ago. Yeah. Speaker 1: Very quickly. From, like, San Diego. We get a lot of guests. Speaker 0: Ray Ray Simon. Where were you born and raised? Speaker 3: I was born in Chicago and grew up in the Chicago Metropolitan Area in a Naperville. Speaker 0: Naperville. Naperville. Naperville. Naperville. Because that's where it happened when I get to The States. Yeah. Speaker 1: But she first migrated here. Speaker 3: That's where I think I met Chi Chi. Speaker 1: No. Years ago. So Chicago was it, Speaker 3: Yeah. Pretty much kicked around that area for a long time and then always wanted to live on the West Coast. In my mind's eye, it was always California, and my wife, Donna, suggested Speaker 1: we go Speaker 0: on, Donna. Speaker 1: What's going on out there? Speaker 3: We look in Oregon. We went down the coast in two thousand fifteen, stopped in Brookings, and kept coming back till we moved here in 2019 or bought a house and then fully moved here in, like, 2022. Speaker 0: Wow. Yeah. We're all kind of the same year coming from Speaker 1: the same place. Time. And I gotta say these two gentlemen lived side by side along a beautiful stretch of the Brookings Coastline that's very, very memorable and quite nice. And you guys met. Do we wanna switch right into it? I think we could kinda start off and say a few things about you because did Wes, were you fully aware of this Cascadian event, let's say, four or five years ago? Have you known about it for quite a while? Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When I left Virginia in when I was 19, my mother, at the time, told me that California was gonna break off and fall into the ocean. Of course, that was the San Andreas Fault. Yeah. So that was, when I was 19, way back when. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 0: So, Speaker 2: yeah, I was aware of that, but I really didn't know about the Cascadia, fault. Didn't know about that until I moved to Oregon here. And I slowly became cognizant of that. But certainly when I moved here in Brookings, it became a little more real to me. Speaker 1: Right. How about you, Ray? You're next door to West. Did you know anything about it? Speaker 3: Almost nothing. I mean, growing up in the Midwest, all I could hear is the concept of they're gonna get a big earthquake. Something big is gonna happen. They're gonna fall into it's gonna snap in half. Right. You know, whatever that conversation was about. So no, it was never, never on my mind. And in the Midwest, you know, we have tornadoes, ice storms, things like that, but nothing. And so I never really looked into any depth on what the perils are out in this area. Speaker 0: Now how long have people, scientists, the Van Pattens, other people know about that? Because, they have they have a little in the Harbor Harbor, they have a little plaque just just, describing the Cascanian Fault and everything. So how long has the whole fault thing been monitored? Speaker 2: Well, probably just in the last, I would say, forty, fifty years Yeah. That. But but, of course, we still have those tree stumps up north of us on the coast as a result of the massive earthquake three hundred years ago when the, coast dropped six feet. And they had a huge tsunami that was actually registered in Japan. Remember that? Right. And, and, actually, I'm told I have some friends who live a little bit north here of Brookings. And there's a rock down right on the beach that actually the you can see the strata in the rocks, in the rock on on the face of the Yeah. Speaker 0: Yeah. And you line it up. Speaker 2: But it's actually curved. It's very wavy. Yeah. And that's result of the earthquake moving all that that rocks and all those strata and making a beautiful pattern. Oh, oh. Rainbow Rock is what it's called. Right? Speaker 1: Oh, I wonder Rainbow Rock. Speaker 0: From the it wasn't heated up and that's why No. Speaker 2: It's just just a strata that formed over the over the time. And then when the earthquake came, it just mangled it and buried it in these, wavy patterns. Speaker 0: Now who who are the Van Patten's? Who actually does those predictions and follows the activity? Speaker 2: Oh, the geologists. It's Yeah. We have a preeminent geologist here in town, Bob Bush. Hey, Bob. Who is hey, Bob. Out there. And, he is, very, conversant about this area, the geology, and and, understands what's going on with the Cascadia Fault and the San Andreas Fault and very knowledgeable about it. I spent about a half an hour one time at a party talking with him about this. Now he's one of the reasons that, kind of peaked my interest in this whole whole question about what's gonna happen when we act the Cascadia Fault really occurs Right. With the Cascadia event. Speaker 0: So Help us. Speaker 1: Yeah. If you wanna continue with that? Embellish? Speaker 2: No. Actually, I don't. No. Speaker 1: Here's here's something I gotta say because I what I mentioned earlier, Wes and Judy, live right next to Donna and Ray, and you guys live on a cliff basically overlooking the ocean in Brookings. I won't say where, but it's a beautiful homes. Ray, you said you kinda knew about these issues. When you came out here, you would have never moved right on the coast, but you are perched on a cliff right off the ocean. Speaker 3: Yeah. So it it this is an interesting conversation because like I said, living in the Midwest, this is just a background piece of information. It's not foremost in your head. And so I said the first time I came here was '15, and then in 2017 was the fourth time I visited Brookings, and I was gonna stay a month, and the Checo Bar fire occurred. And the Checo Bar fire was just, I guess, something that was simmering. It was out there. Some people knew about it. And it got to a point where it potentially could have burned the city down. Speaker 0: Yeah. So that was a wildfire. Right? The the mountain It Speaker 3: was a wildfire. Massive spread Mhmm. In the mountainous areas in in the wilderness. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 3: And for me, I didn't know a lot of people around here, and you could hear I could hear people talk about it. There were some warnings, and then it got to be a major problem. And to the point where I'm going to schools where they're having emergency meetings, I'm seeing up to under a thousand firefighters brought in Speaker 1: Right. Speaker 3: Across the country. Now this isn't earthquake, obviously. It's not Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 3: Tsunami. Is Speaker 1: it a big fire alarm? Speaker 3: It's a thing that had been going on for multi month multiple months. And what I learned was that our town was under grave danger, and they brought a commander to the top of the command post to be in charge. I believe he was from Boston. And at the schools, he just said, If the winds change and this Chetco effect, and I'm like, What? Chetco effect? That's the first Speaker 1: time you heard Speaker 3: about it. Wow. It's this thing, right? And he explains it, and he said if it happens this weekend again, the spread will bring it all the way through the city streets. He goes, I'm feeling pretty 80 much like 80% confident. Well, I'm sitting there going, Wow, how are we gonna get out of here? So I felt kinda helpless, scared a bit, concerned. Right? I'm gathering information. And so this had gravity to it. This is something that really, stuck in my head. So now to me, it kind of goes away. I get to go back to Illinois. I'm going back and forth every few months. Speaker 1: Just before you bought your house? Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. So I come back here and there's no more Chuck O'Barr fire. And if it is, it's it's being put out, smoldering. So now, like most people, this goes into the back of my head, right? It recedes in importance. Like, okay. So I do a little research and I go, Yeah, I wonder how often this happens. And I go back to 2002, and there was something called the Biscuit Fire. So anyhow, I go, you know, this doesn't happen that often. Well, 2023, we had another fire not of the same magnitude. Right? But essentially, for someone like me, this disappears. I'm busy. I'm from a city. There's always things happening. Right. Out of sight, out of mind. Yeah. So what do I do? I go buy a house in 2019. Yeah. Speaker 0: Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1: And, of course, we had the Crescent City big fire two years ago. Speaker 3: That was Speaker 0: Yeah. That was that the part of the Flat Fire? Speaker 1: No. That was a separate fire. This is one where we went to the the Crescent City where you guys were okay up here, but it shut down. We didn't have power Speaker 0: We didn't have power. Yeah. And they had and they had all these volunteers or police people and everybody. Speaker 1: They had checked the bar. It's Speaker 0: amazing. And over the for everyone nationwide. Now if you when we were thinking, what if the fire comes? We could see it. Obviously, it was really, really close to sea. Where can you go? There's only three roads away. Right? One to the north, one to the south, and one into the mountains. So, yeah, if something happens Speaker 3: Yeah. It and so that was a different emergency. Right? It wasn't like the sudden thing. Speaker 0: Right. And it's still And me being Speaker 3: here for a month, it occupied probably three weeks of my thinking. So it did have me think and look into what else could happen here. Speaker 0: Yeah. And that's fine. Speaker 3: So that was the beginning of the gravity of this thing for me. Speaker 1: K. When did you two put your heads together? Were you at a party? Because you're literally next door neighbors. Speaker 3: We're drinking wine, doc. Speaker 1: Great. Drinking wine. Speaker 2: Actually, we had attended a, a seminar put on by the Curry County emergency coordination fellow here, works for this county. And, he described, the reaction to the tsunami alert we had last spring. You may remember the Yeah. Speaker 0: Talk about that. Yeah. Speaker 2: Well, we had an earthquake Uh-huh. Down off of the coast of Eureka Mhmm. And it triggered the tsunami alert. Speaker 0: A seven. Right? It was a seven. Speaker 2: Something like that. Yeah. And the big, siren down there in harbor, you know, blasting. You could probably hear it all as a town. Speaker 1: It's scary. Right? Speaker 2: And it went for, like, twenty minutes. I can't imagine living underneath that thing for twenty minutes as it was blasting. But nonetheless, I heard it. And, I so I said, okay. You know, it's time to do something. Speaker 1: What are you? Speaker 2: What, what do you do? And I had no clue and I walked out of the house and I'm thinking, I hear the siren. What am I supposed to do here? What is this? So, so we attended a, a, session put on by this, this, emergency coordinator, here in New York County. And, he described the county, response to that. And I won't get into the details, but it was dismal, absolutely dismal. And, when Ray and I both attended this seminar, as well as a couple other people here at the radio station attended it and others as well. And we walked out and we were talking afterwards and I came in and Ray and I both came to the conclusion that we're screwed. There's no, there's not gonna be any help at all from the, from the government officials, the city, the county, nobody. If this thing happens, if a serious tsunami or earthquake occurs, what are we gonna do? So that's when Ray and I started talking about, well, it's an individual effort here. I mean, virtually every man for himself, basically. And the way I look at it is, if you see a serious earthquake occur and a disaster in this area, the emergency people are not gonna be lined up like they were for the fires. Speaker 1: Right. With plenty of time to come up and come in from all of the time. Speaker 2: Time to get organized on. They're gonna be home taking care of their own families, which I don't blame them a bit. So what happens to the rest of us? Well, you're on your own. And, Ray and I started talking about, well, how can we, you know, what can we do about that? So we came up with this idea of helping the local area, Brookings and and the entire coastal communities, to prepare in advance for this and get cognizant of what the problem is and start to do things that can prepare them to deal with such a situation. Wow. Speaker 3: Yeah. So that that meeting that Wes talks about, that was strike two for me. Strike one was the fire To recognize that there's only a handful of people here that can help. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 3: And to get that many federal people here was just amazing to see. But then to hear people actually in a government entity with jobs to talk about this, it was dismal. There was nothing that could help. So that was strike two for me to say, Yeah, this is an individual effort. Speaker 1: I think about the bridges you pass over, some you don't even know. Every little Yeah. Every little chasm we pass is going up and down that coast have bridges and those get knocked down. Where do we go? Alright. Time flies when you were having fun. It's already that mid break time here on the Doc and Jacques Live Radio Show, proudly broadcasting from KCIW one hundred point seven FM Studio in lovely Brookings, Oregon, and beyond. The list of major supporters for this community radio are Advanced Airlines. Thank you. They are flying out of nearby Crescent City to Oakland and LA seven days a week. We wanna thank Michelle Buford. Hello, Michelle, with our own vibrant local Curry County Chamber of Commerce. Nick and Lisa Rael, hello to you, and your PPA or your partnership with the performing arts. Thank you for your support. And lastly, my dear co host doctor Gigi Reed and yours truly, Jacques. On behalf of KCIW, thanks to all of you. We're gonna go into this and run this for the next thirty minutes talking with you. It's fascinating. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 1: It's interesting. You guys know it. We had a little time before the show to talk about it. You emphasized you don't want to scare people. You're not here to scare people and say, oh, he's going to come and get you. But for the first time ever, Doctor. Gigi and I a few days ago in preparation for the show said, Maybe we should pack a bug out bag and put it in the garage or out in the well house and stock it with the things that we need just in case. We live a mile from the coast. You guys live 100 feet from the coast. But you're up top of a cliff. You're lucky. Okay. Speaker 0: We're on sand. Speaker 1: So what what are we first tell us about that. Let's back it up. Let's go to Cascadia Strong Radio. Tell us a little bit about that, the two of you, and what your intent is of what you wanna do with this new radio show that will be aired here on KCOW. Speaker 2: Well, Cascadia Strong Radio is gonna be a half hour show and, with Ray and I involved. And the idea is to, help people get our get a handle on what what we're facing. You know, it's it's it's a major opportunity for fear. But, you know, the more you know about something and the more you understand it and the more you've, taken steps to cope with it, the fear dissipates. So you prepare yourself mentally, you prepare yourself for your go bags and other sorts of things you might put in place And the fear dissipates. Okay? Now, I feel confident. I feel ready. My family and I have a plan. We've got things in place. We know what to do. When the siren goes off, you just don't walk out and go, what do I do now? You know, you start taking action. And that's really what Cascadia Strong Radio is all about. How can you start? Now, the situation may be so huge, you go, golly, you know, I can't deal with this. What I don't even know where to start. Well, that's what we're we're here to do. Start with one step at a time. Now Ray has an outstanding approach. He says, every month, I have something. I try to make one step forward every month. Just designate one day every month and take one step forward on this plan. Well, you do that enough times and pretty soon you've got something in place that is pretty reasonable. Okay. Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Ray, what do you mean? What do you mean taking one step? What are you doing? Speaker 3: So so I'm gonna back up just a second. So I'm your primary audience for this radio program. So when I met Wes I'm talking to Wes every now and then about this. I recognize I'm totally naive. I don't know where to start. It's a massive thing in my head, So I don't do anything other than I talk to Wes and come home once in a while, look at my wife, and I go, Ah, we'll be screwed. No, so I'm screwed. So what we end up doing is I don't know. Wes has a lot of information I learned, and I started to whittle away at it. So it's really I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna go buy a Go Bag on eBay. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Okay. I'm gonna go One step. Right? Speaker 3: I'm gonna go buy those special flashlights in case it's You wind up. Speaker 0: That's what we got off the the power outage. Speaker 3: Instead of using my, you know, worn out clothing for when I'm painting outside, Those are a little ripped. I'll throw them in the go bag. Right? So it's just a little bit at a time. Yeah. Or it was when so one day I said, Wes, help me here a little bit. And Wes gives me a list of all of these things. I'm like, oh, jeez. I don't even know what to do with all this. Well, guess what? It was Prime Day, right, where you get everything on sale. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just went down as listed. If it was a Prime Sale, I'm like, buy it. Buy it. Buy it. Wow. And then we get all the stuff. Right? And all of a sudden, I go to my wife Donna. I go, what what do I do with that? I'm a city guy. I'm not a outdoors guy. What do I do with this fancy stove thing? I don't even know how to start this. And she Speaker 1: goes, read the direction. I packed 400 cans of, of canned food, but I forgot a can opener. Speaker 0: What's that? Speaker 1: I got this an issue. Very, very interesting. Alright. Keep going about the Cascadia. Just tell us a little bit more. We're interested. Speaker 2: Okay. So what what our plan then is is to help people get started in a small way and become more knowledgeable. That's the idea. Now the thing of it is neither Ray nor I are experts in all these areas. Some of these areas we haven't got a clue ourselves in. So what we wanna do is we wanna reach out to the community to find people that are knowledgeable about some of these areas and bring them into our show and interview them just as you're interviewing us. Wow. Great idea. And and, bring coalesce a lot of expertise that then can be shared with with the greater the greater area. Speaker 0: So that really also shows that you're on your own because you're not special you were not a specialist. So you're taking it on yourself saying, well, I'll get specialist and I find out what do we need, what is the what are your, you know, the the bag and the stove and whatnot. It's not like you knew it all in college. You got your information from other places, and then you're getting in touch with people who actually do that for a living or or learned it somewhere. Right? So that's Speaker 2: And the next step beyond that, Gigi, is not only are we doing finding experts, but we're also talking to people who have been through it. Speaker 0: Ah. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2: We have people in town right here that have been burned out. They have fifteen minutes to evacuate and they lost their entire home. Everything. We have people here that experienced the the Northridge earthquake down in Los Angeles and lived through that. Yeah. And what was that like? We've interviewed them. Speaker 0: Mhmm. Speaker 2: And they'll be part of our show as well. K. So as we listen to their experience and what what, like the one woman that we talked to about the Northridge earthquake, she was in a hotel and she'll relate this actually on our show. She says that she and her she was down there for she was in, Los Angeles in Northridge for a seminar and they're staying at, like, a Hilton hotel or something like that. And her roommate, this other woman, as they're going up to their room at night, she says, we ought to go see what's at the end of the halls just so we know where the escape areas are. And, and and this woman said, that you know, you don't need to do that. Why would you do that? You know, that's who cares? Well, they did that. Well, it turned out that night is when the earthquake hit, and they actually used those exes that they happened to go see firsthand to escape from the hotel. Just a fortuitous thing. So so as we learn from other people's experience, we kinda become aware of our circumstance and become aware of perhaps things we just take a look at just casually so we know what to do if something happens. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 3: Yeah. And and if you hear some of these stories that, I mean, they begin with a feeling of despair. Right? That something's happened it's actually happening. Mhmm. Then you hear how they got through it, how they survive and what they think. And what I find really interesting is their go back, their go around on the information. How are they going to improve in case it happens again? Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3: I mean, remember I said, I need to chunk this up into pieces and whittle away at it. Same thing with the show. I'm gonna learn a whole lot by people who come on the show a little at a time. Speaker 0: Mhmm. You know, I I lived through a hurricane while I was I came back and the house was destroyed from a hurricane. And it's just Speaker 1: Oh, jeez. Speaker 0: It is amazing how much you learn going through it. I certainly don't wanna do that again, but it was life changing. And I was just like that. What I I stood in front of the house. I couldn't even get in. I just picked up something and started crying. And these and these car trucks stopped and they said, ma'am, we can help you. They they actually drove down from Georgia and I just cried because, wow, how many people can you know, anyway, to go through that, having people help, that was the first time I went through. Before we thirty minutes before we evacuated, they say, hey, we have to evacuate, get everything that you need in a little box. You don't have time for anything else. So being a little bit more prepared, next time maybe I will be, possibly. With the Cascadia event, you at least you have a little bit already done. Right? You have been through that saying, well, maybe you I can lose everything. But the biggest thing that I felt is somebody helping you, somebody being there. You're really not alone. And so if we are all prepared to a certain degree and learn how to we we can help each other, you know, pull each other up on the shoestrings. Speaker 1: I like the idea That's true. Of you taking guests that have survived some Yeah. Other disasters and you're learning from them. Yeah. It's a half hour show? Speaker 2: Yes. Half hour show. That's correct. Yeah. Speaker 0: So if you have to put in a nutshell to, you know, to to favorize up your for your show, your BOLTA show is what can we do to prepare ourselves? Speaker 2: Mhmm. Mhmm. Well, be aware of what the situation is gonna be. Speaker 1: Know what it is. Speaker 2: Know what it is. What are you dealing with here? And earthquakes are different than tsunamis, which are different than fires, which are different than smoke, which are different than heat, with all these other things. We're gonna address all those. But, you know, what we've done here with Cascadia Strong is we put together a list of episodes. We've got about 35 episodes defined right now. Speaker 0: Woah. Speaker 2: Because we started poking at this. This just became a Pandora's box. I mean, every time you poked it, it's like the tar baby. Right? You poke it, you just you find somebody else to poke. And so the the topics are just amazing. I would have never thought about these things. For example, well, first off, there's several organizations already actively at work for years in the in the coastal areas. Speaker 0: Mhmm. Speaker 2: And we're gonna be interviewing the people that are running those things. Like who? Well, for instance, the, let's see. I have a list of them right here. The, Cascadia Coastal Coalition as an example. Wow. Okay. And there's the Curry County Community Organizations Active in Disaster Organization. Wow. The CCCOAD, as as they're called. The other one, Cascadia Coastal Coalition, CCC. We'll be talking to the the people who run those. You've got the Red Cross. They're very active in this sort of thing. The interesting thing I learned about the Red Cross, which we'll cover again when we talk to them, is that they have a service whereby you can find your loved ones when you become separated. I know that. Wow. So, you know, you and that's one issue that if Speaker 1: You're right. Right. If the Speaker 2: quake or something strikes here, your kids are at school. Yeah. Your wife's out doing this. You're out doing that. How do you get together? That's part of the plan you put in place. Oh. If something asks, where are we gonna meet? How are we gonna do this? And you practice. You rehearse it. You know, that sort of thing. So there's there's the organizations that are actually doing something now. Speaker 0: Excuse me. Goosebumps takes Speaker 2: you to your point. It does. It does. So you put together a plan. You know, that that's the one thing we're gonna talk about, a disaster plan for the family. Take care of your family, your kids, your wife, your yourself, your even your pets. You know, what are you gonna do? So how do you do that? So we'll be talking to people about how to develop a plan, and then rehearse that plan to practice it so the kids know how this thing works. Right? How you know how it works. Mental resilience, and there's a you touched on that a moment ago with your PTSD. How can you become mentally strong to deal with these situations when they arise? You just don't fall apart. That'll be a session. Putting together your go bag, That's a key thing. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: And there's a lot of information I Speaker 1: can do that today. Right? Yep. What what do I Speaker 2: have in it? You know? Yeah. There's a variety of things that she should have in it. What about when the go bag's not enough? You know? Okay. You've got a tsunami or an earthquake. Well, that's not over in an hour or two. I mean, certainly when, you know, the San Andreas movie, right, with, with The Rock, you know, The San Andreas falls open in half an hour and there's a movie ever after than what. Right? Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. Speaker 2: Rock saves the, Speaker 1: the kids and the girls and He's skiing along and both. Oh, Speaker 3: so But, you Speaker 2: know, when we live through this, it's gonna be here for months. It's gonna be here for months. Yeah. So what happens then? What happens in the aftermath? What's available to us? So we'll be talking to businesses. What have you done to prepare for this? That you you can help take care of the people that are left here? Because as you said earlier, the bridges are gonna be down. We're isolated here in Bronx. And who knows how you know, FEMA's not gonna be jumping in Brookings to take care of us right off the bat. Speaker 1: Right. Absolutely not. And how are they gonna get in other than flying in? But, yeah, I'm right. Exactly right. Our bridges are gonna be the light bulb. They're gonna be gone? Speaker 2: They're gonna be destroyed. So what else should we have, you know, beyond the go bag? Mhmm. And how do you deal with that? That's something. Power outages, power's gonna be gone. Speaker 0: Oh, definitely. Yeah. Speaker 2: Our main power line comes right down the coast from from Coos Bay. It goes through the tsunami zones. Our substations are in the tsunami zone. Yeah. So Speaker 0: Our power line came down from Medford, and that that's where the burns were. You you know, it was it's burned Speaker 1: in there. A few years ago. That's right. That's where Octasound Speaker 0: were too busy. Didn't have power. Uh-huh. Speaker 2: So you don't have power? Yeah. How do you deal with that, and what can you do to like your cell phones? Maybe you have some sort of medical device that requires electricity. How are you gonna provide power for that? So we were talking about that. Water. The the water lines go underneath under the ground. Big wood. Well, as the ground buckles, all the water lines will Speaker 1: go down. Guess what? Yeah. Our we had a, we had during this big disaster, our, they cut off all the water. So they couldn't get any water in in Crescent City. And but, hey, we were smart. We had a well. Speaker 0: Oh, we were proud of you. Speaker 1: Problem was it was an electric Speaker 2: pump that pumps it from the well to the house. So we had no water. Mhmm. Speaker 1: And that was a a a real, that was a real wake up. Speaker 0: So he actually went he drove the car back and he had this big old container and he siphoned up the water and let it Yeah. Speaker 1: The big phone Speaker 0: packed out. So he Speaker 1: packed this right. But we had no way Yeah. Speaker 0: We Yeah. Then we Speaker 3: And and some of these have, you know, they're significant magnitude. They're simple things. Someone from out of town like me. Right? I come from a different area of the country. Where do I even go? Let's say I could get in my car. I never thought of a plan that maps out. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 3: Or Donna and my wife, here, we're gonna meet here. I'm gonna bring the car. Something as simple as that. Mhmm. Never even never even thought of things like that. Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a search and rescue people. Okay? This is a great lesson. We know a good friend of ours is a search and rescue volunteer. And I said, I said, are you always we need so many people to be trained in the basic search and rescue, you know, that could go out there and survive for hours if not days and helping someone else. But she says, we're all volunteers and in a big event, we're gonna be our families come first. You referred to that earlier. Yeah. She said, I thought I'm really I'm not obligated to they don't pay me anything. If my family needs me, I'm with my family. Absolutely. And then talk about something, a disaster, possibly an earthquake, big earthquake with, with all the damage that that does, the liquefaction, and then that and possibly the the volcano going, the tsunamis, it goes on and on and on. And this is a huge swath of our coast. Speaker 2: Mhmm. Speaker 1: Huge swath. Mhmm. Wow. I just there has to be we have to become more aware. I did not know anything about the Cascadia Subduction Zone until I met you two. Speaker 3: Wes, what kind of maybe hit a couple more episodes that we're gonna Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Some of the other episodes that we will be covering are, what do you do for communications? Your cell phones? Right. The cell phone towers are down? Or if you don't have power, maybe your battery goes dead after a while? What do you Speaker 0: You can't get gas because the gas stations don't yeah. Fuel? Because the gas stations don't work? Speaker 1: You're right. Speaker 2: We just go down to the ATM and withdraw Speaker 0: You can't do that. Speaker 1: Your money's gonna be frozen. Speaker 2: Long? Yeah. Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I learned from Wes even that I can go buy small cubes that are solar powered that can sell my or charge my cell phones. Mhmm. Speaker 1: Yes. Mhmm. We have a couple of those. Speaker 3: I'm amazed. Speaker 1: But what happens if this happens during a that end day winter rainstorm that's we are very well acquainted with that. Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to worry about water then. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Right. You don't have to worry about water. Yeah. We get it. Speaker 2: But, you know, if we think about water for drinking water, but you gotta flush your toilet too. Right. You know? Have you ever been without a toilet? That's that's a big problem. Speaker 0: Without water, but Absolutely. Speaker 2: So, you know, there's that. And and what about our shut ins and our people that are hard to Speaker 0: Exactly. Speaker 2: Mind. Immobile, basically. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 2: You know, what happens with them? Who helps them? Is there a plan in place to you know, we know this person over here is just shut in or or bedridden or something. How are they gonna get out? What what are we gonna do for that? So the the neighborhoods, the community has to come together Come together? To be out for each other. Yep. I think that's gonna be something What about Speaker 1: the hospital in GGT? They have a they have a emergency Speaker 0: They do. Speaker 1: Generator, but that needs Speaker 0: gas. Yeah. But do they have enough gas to last for a little bit? But yeah. I mean, you're right because, not not everything is actually powered with a generator. Mhmm. So, for example, the out the outpatient clinic where I worked, we didn't have any electricity, but the the hospital or or or power, you know, Speaker 1: the gas pump. Generators when Mhmm. Cresta City had the fire last, two years ago. When they brought in those generators, but they had to bring them way around because the road was shut down from Medford. And so we were stranded there, and they had to go clear down and around. You know? It was just it was And Speaker 0: they and they provided the gas. Right? Didn't they say 42,000 gallons Speaker 1: or Speaker 0: a day of that to provide Speaker 1: They had to light up the whole city. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 1: We were completely without electricity. Yeah. Speaker 3: So so there's backups in place for a lot of things, but it's it's interesting to think about what happens if they're not there or they Speaker 0: They can't make it in it. Right? Yeah. Speaker 3: So, you know, how do you operate? Yeah. Like, how does a neighborhood I I like what you brought up, Wes. How does a neighborhood operate for their neighbors? How does a community operate? Speaker 0: And of course, there's the food. You can't go to wherever to get food because there is no food that you can go to a restaurant to. So how how do you address that? Is that in your to go back? Speaker 3: Oh, this big container of a 120 meals. Speaker 0: Oh. Oh, the Speaker 2: What what gave Speaker 3: me a list and I'm like looking at this thing? Speaker 1: It's called my my truck through the window Safeway. That's what it's called. Speaker 2: That's right. Speaker 1: It might refer to that. But look, everybody's looking at me so seriously. Speaker 0: What is that my truck? Speaker 1: My I'll get my truck and smash through the window at Safeway. That's how I'm gonna Speaker 2: go steal it. Speaker 0: Oh, hey. Speaker 1: I didn't say that. Sorry. Damn. Speaker 3: If you're listening, this is what we're having for dinner. Speaker 2: Less than $9,000, they won't prosecute you. Speaker 1: Is that right? Okay. Good. Alright. I'm taking 8 and a half. Speaker 0: Back on track here. Speaker 2: So, so the other thing that's interest to me is what happens to your your, your purchasing system? Speaker 0: Mhmm. Speaker 2: Your commerce. Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. Speaker 2: All of a sudden now you can't get money. So you got a barter system. Well, I don't know about you, but I've never bartered anything. I don't even know how. So what we need to do is find somebody to help us learn what's the key of bartering. How do you do that? How does that work? How do you prepare for it? So I'd like to know something about that. So we're gonna have someone come on the air and and discuss bartering with us. Speaker 1: Wow. Woah. Look at that. Crypto, man. Crypto's the way to go. Speaker 2: Crypto. Absolutely. Speaker 3: In shock, you get buy on jokes. Speaker 2: Yeah. Trade a joke for a buyer. Speaker 1: We have no money. We have no electricity, no water, trauma injuries. In the worst case scenario, cars that aren't running because no gas, food issues. I mean, we would have to be a community that comes together Absolutely. To help each other. And Speaker 2: this is a long term deal. This is we're talking probably weeks or months. Mhmm. One of the, senior general managers in the area I was talking with, was talking to somebody in Salem, an emergency coordinator in Salem up here. And he asked him a question, what's what's the state gonna do when a cascade event happens? He's, you know, oh, this is gonna have total devastation. And the, the the, emergency manager out of Salem, you know, the government, Oregon government, said, well, I'm gonna call the Navy. The Navy will send his ship, put it offshore, and we'll run power to, you know, from the ship. Yeah. As generators and can do that. Speaker 1: And hospital ships, I guess, to help. Speaker 2: And hospital ships. But, we're down here in Brookings. Yeah. True. You know, we're down here in the corner. Speaker 1: Portland's gonna get a lot of, a Speaker 2: lot of Maybe Portland's Speaker 1: gonna get a generator. Yeah. Speaker 2: You know? But what about us? And so we're, we have kind of a unique situation in that we've gotta be a little more resourceful. How are we going to do that? And that's what, that's what the radio station, the radio program is all about. Just discuss these issues, throw it out there, say, okay, and everybody looks at it and says, okay, this is what I'm gonna do, this is what I'm gonna do, and we come together and come up with something that we can survive. Speaker 3: And, you know, we we said before that it's really about individual preparedness. Yeah. We're also hoping that by getting some of these people from organizations on the program that we can elevate the awareness a bit where maybe there are other ways they can engage or begin to engage and have the discussions amongst themselves. And, it could be anything from the business owners in the community to the governmental entities to people volunteering to that I mean, they have some knowledge and maybe they're willing to impart it by their volunteer work. Speaker 0: Yeah. Working together, helping each other. I mean, that will get the communities together because it is super really important because what I don't know what to do, you can help me and maybe I have something Speaker 1: Okay. But what about go ahead. Oh, remember I said Speaker 3: at the beginning that here I experienced this fire and it's traumatic in my head, and then when it's not there, it goes away. So this radio program is an opportunity to keep a conversation live that maybe we need to think about periodically. Speaker 1: Keep it updated. How about folks out there listening? You know how to turn off your gas line at your house, for instance? We where is your gas line? We get the butane. Right? Or the, propane. Propane. We get and I don't know. Speaker 0: A thingy on there. Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a thingy on there. But your water, I still don't know where your water is. Speaker 0: I don't think we can. Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh-huh. Speaker 1: Yeah. I could go up to the just turn it off. Okay. So how many of us know these things? Right. Right? Just that alone. Speaker 2: Check out now. Now one other thing I would I would mention to you, as Ray mentioned early on, I gave him a list. You know, he went down to prime on Amazon Prime Day, you know, started buying stuff. You know? I went on Amazon Prime, and I'm doing some research on the water issue. How do you get potable water, drink water? And I found this this this item on, Amazon that's, water pills. Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 2: Water water solution. You add just to so many gallons of water, it makes it good for five years. You can store it. And I'm going, wow, this is good stuff. A little expensive. But I said, wow, this is really good. So I didn't look at it all that hard, so I bought it. This is like $30 for this. And I bought three quarters of an ounce of household laundry bleach. Speaker 1: Oh, for thirty months. My goodness. Speaker 2: Now was I irritated when I found that out? Right. You bet I was. You know, so one thing we're gonna do is we're gonna talk about products. We can't endorse products. I know that. But, we're gonna talk about the general, you know, acquiring stuff to help you. And you can get scammed. I mean, I spent $30 on three quarters of an ounce of household ranching. Speaker 1: Yeah. For two gallons of gas Speaker 2: and gas. A dollar and a half. Exactly right. Speaker 3: Yeah. They'll bring it over for wine time. Speaker 1: Yeah. I got wine and food. That's another. Just the refrigerator, we have freezers too. Right? They went out. So now what do we do? We remember our freezer we had to how did we get around that? I forget. Speaker 0: We we gave some to your friend. Speaker 1: Oh, yes. We gave we we To Victoria. Speaker 0: Yep. Thank you for taking Yep. Our freezer stuff. Speaker 1: Thanks, Victoria, for listening. That's right. She took it in. Brookings was unaffected, but that's right. We needed we had so much frozen. Speaker 0: And luckily, we could drive up there. I mean Speaker 1: That's true. There was no bridge in that river. Speaker 0: Still going. Yeah. Speaker 1: So we've all lived through the how many people do we know in this area that have survived the Paradise Fire? I know Oh, so many people. Like Powell and Yeah. And and the The Whiskey River The Whiskey, down in Red Redway or, I can't think of the name of the town now. Just south. Mhmm. Speaker 0: Anyway. Speaker 1: Okay. Anyway, so many people So Speaker 0: there were so many people displaced because of the Speaker 2: fire They Speaker 1: live here in this city. Speaker 2: Mike and Teresa Speaker 1: are who we've already interviewed. We'll be talking with them. Better yet, fascinating. Really? You've had them on the show. Speaker 2: Yeah. We got that show in the can. Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. How cool is that? So they yeah. They have stories. So my sister got burned down in the Santa Rosa fire. Fifteen minutes, like you said, came back, absolutely scorched everything to the earth. Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1: And people are just recuperating. So lost everything. Speaker 0: And so that's the other thing. If you lose everything, you cannot go and dig through what you have and do right? You're it's done. It's gone. It's gone. So what now what? Speaker 3: You have different kind of events. Right? So the fire is something that there is a little bit, there there is a certain amount of time Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 3: To do something. Right. Yeah. An earthquake. Well, yeah. Tsunami. That comes on pretty fast. Right. That's the tough one. Speaker 1: I mean, what about these houses that are like right along the jetty and in Crescent City that are right along Pebble Beach Road that are there. They're level with the ocean or just Yeah. Speaker 3: They're right on water. Right? Speaker 1: Boy, hang on. There's some really beautiful homes and it's gonna affect us. Okay. Let's bring it back to kinda surmise this whole thing. Scientists are saying that it's overdue. I've heard several people have said it's like every 300, well, we could do the math here. Speaker 0: Two to 500. Yeah. Speaker 1: Right. And it's overdue and we know that one tectonic plate is moving in and the other one's gonna catch and buckle. The way water works is fascinating to me that the ocean can create these huge tsunamis, but they're realistic threats. So in a nutshell, what would you say? Is there anything comforting you could say to people instead of just getting everybody freaked out, I meant? Preparation. Just preparation. Speaker 2: Preparation. Yeah. Address it with a clear mind, a clear head, and what can I do to help my family and and my neighbors get through this and get to the other side? Maybe a neighborhood watch Speaker 1: for this kind of a Speaker 0: Something. Yeah. To I think the working together is and go back to that. I mean, if the I would guess the houses are gonna be damaged to a certain degree, if not wiped out. Go back saying, hey, did did that lady get out of the house? Go back and find people who might be trapped. Right? If we know who lives where, then go. Did they Speaker 1: No matter how small your neighborhood Yeah. It's still a neighborhood. Speaker 0: Yeah. Right. Exactly. Speaker 3: Well, awareness, preparation, and and, you know, preparation of varying degrees, you know, as long as you get started. Mhmm. You Wow. Speaker 1: Ray Simon and, Wes Bruning. Wow. What a fascinating hour it has been. We've talked about forty five minutes, and we could we just started getting going. Right? I mean, did we not? We are we are we could carry this, on and on and on. Fleas or Speaker 0: no Or the listeners can listen to Cascadia Strong Radio and get it all Speaker 1: detailed out. Speaker 2: Mid March. Speaker 1: I can't wait for Speaker 0: that. Yeah. Speaker 1: Now looking at Tom Bozak and the engineer, is that a thumbs up for these guys? You helped him record it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. He's given us a thumbs up. So you've got these in the can, and they're ready to be broadcast. So let us know. We will do everything we can to get the word out about, such an important We appreciate that greatly. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate you guys coming on the show. Speaker 0: It's gonna be on YouTube too at the end then? Will it be or or or, podcast it. Right? Speaker 2: Podcasting. Speaker 0: Yes. Yes. Very cool. Speaker 2: Alright. We like the website as well that, focuses on this area. Speaker 0: Oh, well, well, tell us about the website. Speaker 2: Well, we we need to find someone to help us do that. Speaker 1: Oh. Same with us. When you find them, send them our way. Okay? Alright. We gotta close out the show right now, do we not? Speaker 0: No. We still have us thirty minutes to go. You can't get a joke, please. Speaker 1: Okay. Life will not break your heart. It'll crush it, said Henry Rollins. Speaker 0: What? Speaker 1: I don't know. I found I found that old I think I found one of your old sure. Right. Doctor Gigi says that I'm street smart, Sesame street smart. Speaker 0: Darn it. Is cute. Okay. You're done with your joke. Speaker 1: I'm pretty. Speaker 0: Guess what? You and I and our guests have been listening to the Doc and Chuck Variety Show on KCIW one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon. We certainly hope you have enjoyed our show as much as we have learning about the Cascadia event with Wes Bruning and Ray Syme. Speaker 1: Yep. Indeed. Peace and prosperity to everyone out there. Thanks again. Tom Bozak, Linda Bozak for listening. All the listeners, Judy and Donna, good show here. We wish to thank all those people that make this show possible to be aired up and down our beautiful but endangered coast. Now we know. Mail us if you know of an interesting person at docandjock@gmail.com. And Now stay tuned for the Tony. Tony Russo show that talked to him last night. Folks, we have entertainment, guests all the month of February. Say stay tuned. Speaker 0: Bye.