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Thank you for tuning into this week's interesting
program.
I'm doctor Gigi, and my cohost is, as
always, Jacques Kepner.
How are you today, Jacques?
I'm the chef today. I'm wearing my chef
jacket. Ah, Jacques.
Greetings, everyone, and welcome to the Doc and
Jacques Radio Variety Show. Special thanks to engineer
Tom Bozak. Hey, Tom. Thank you for being
in that booth. And where is Ray Simon?
He's not in the booth today, but we
might catch up with him in just a
bit.
Linda Bozak out there listening and Michael Gorse
and Rick and Ray. And if anybody else
is out there,
thank you for tuning in to this,
this
show, this live show here
on Interesting. Yeah. KCIW one hundred point seven.
I wanna, let you know that this exact
same show, today's show, will be syndicated
and broadcast
next
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on Wednesday,
every Wednesday on k z z h ninety
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this show has a really pertinent note for
all of you people to the South of
Crescent City and Brookings where we are.
Listen in on today's show because it does
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on that same Wednesday, a week from now,
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the doctor. Yeah. The doctor Gigi and I
have your coasts
covered. Okay. It's a time when good medicine
and health tips such
as presented by my German medical doctor who
holds not one, two,
three, but I found out four patents in
your own name and university professor and doctor
doctor you know, Gigi Reed. What medical marvels
do you have for us today on this
week's segment
of MDG?
Why, thank you. Okay.
Today,
it won't be as fun because you won't
have a lot of jokes to to say
to our, MD ten. Today, I will be
discussing post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD. I
know.
Which is a mental health condition that can
develop after someone lives
through or witnesses a traumatic event that felt
felt overwhelming,
terrifying, or life threatening. I wonder how long
PTSD has been around. I mean, when did
they I don't know. Do you know that?
It's been around as long as you've been
a doctor. You've dealt with it. Oh, yeah.
It's been oh, yeah. For a long time.
Okay.
It's not a sign of weakness,
mind you.
It is when the brain and body remain
stuck, so to speak, in a survival mode
long after the danger has passed.
Okay. When we talk about PTSD, we mean
a cluster or different
kinds of symptoms
that start after a trauma and interfere with
the day to day life. So let's see
some common symptoms. Okay.
Some people have
intrusion thoughts, unwanted memories, nightmares, or flashbacks that
feel like the event is happening again. Is
that kinda maybe something like shell shocked?
Yeah. I've I've witnessed a woman, an Iraqi
that was in The States visiting that had
gone through the Gulf War in '91.
And she came to The States after this,
and we were in Fremont, California. And a
plane flew overhead, and she freaked out and
jumped out of the table because it brought
back her shell shock. She was out of
it. She was completely crazed,
because she had experienced that horrible. That would
be the hyperarousal,
being on edge, jumpy, easily startled, having trouble
sleeping, irritable. That's me 247.
Right. And that lady.
People have avoidance,
steering clear of reminders of the trauma, including
people that they don't wanna see, places, conversations,
or even feelings. Interesting.
And some other negative changes in mood are
always apparent.
They always or often feel detached, unum,
have guilt or shame,
have loss of interest,
persistent negative beliefs like I'm broken or the
world's completely unsafe, etcetera. Well, that's bordered on
the area of what, schizophrenic almost? No. No.
I mean, you can
well, yeah, if you overdo it. So there
are some diseases, which I will talk about
in a second,
that might seem
similar. But all these,
signs can come one edit only one or
all of them together within PTSD.
Wow. Well, PTSD
goes well with our theme and guest today
as Wes Bruning and Ray Simon will be
talking about the Ray Simon is there. Yeah.
Oh, that is Ray Simon. He's in the
studio with the city. He's not in the
engineer's booth. So that brings him back into
the fold. Okay. They'll be talking about the
Cascadian
event
or a disaster that, we are literally sitting
right on top of, but we'll get around
to that in just a moment. Continue with
PTSD, doc. Okay. So PTSD
always begins with the exposure of a traumatic
event,
which can be it's well known in combat
or war,
physical or sexual assault or other interpersonal violence.
I'm not gonna have to do that,
point.
Serious accidents, car crashes Oh. Police injuries. Bad,
Natural disasters. A nat well, there it is.
That's her That's Canals.
Canals, fires,
terrorist attacks. Oh, yikes. Yeah. So some of
one of them we will or some of
them we will discuss today. Okay. Sudden loss
of a loved one or life threatening medical
events. That's a big one. Right? The loss
the grief issue is huge when you lose
your Right. And there's grief and there's PTSD.
Right? Wow. Yeah. Totally separate.
Not everyone
who goes through certain traumas actually
develops PTSD.
So there are
different multiple contributing factors to consider.
K.
For example, if there are repeated
or severe trauma patterns,
especially in childhood, when we don't know how
to work on those experiences? Oh, we're not
experienced yet. We're just children. Right? Or Prior
traumatic history of preexisting
anxiety, depression, or other mental health conditions.
So mental health like depression or anxiety
doesn't mean it's PTSD, but if you have
it, you might be in a higher risk
group to actually
get PTSD in a traumatic event.
If you have a lack of social support
after the event, highly likely you develop PTSD.
Certainly, if you're physically injured during the trauma,
you can never forget the Which you couldn't
be the Cascading event comes down. Yeah.
Family history actually of mental health also is
a strong
association of experiencing A marker. Disease with certain
traumatic events. Yep. And then TBI?
So other conditions can look similar or can
occur together. Now we're getting to your thing.
Depression
and generalized anxiety
share the sleep disturbances,
the low mood, the worry,
not
being being weak, just not having interest in
anything.
Or here's your TBI, traumatic brain injury can
overlap in it would overlap in concentration, memory
issues,
irritability,
but it involves a direct brain injury.
Okay. And so it's because Alright. Back up
just a little bit here. How many patients
do you see and how do you treat
PTSD?
We can we
treat them with medication because that's what we
do. We just put them on, like, antidepressants
or Yeah. Usually, they're antidepressants
such as so what they have found is
that people with PTSD similar to anxiety or
depression have low,
serotonin. So we often use serotonin reuptake reuptake
inhibitors, SSRIs, such as Soolafdor. I've heard this
Or SNRIs.
Psychedelics and microdosing has helped. Right? Obviously, we
can't prescribe that. And it does so a
lot of people do self medicate with
psychedelics
Yeah. Or,
other drugs. And they need to prescribe it.
I mean, based on Or alcohol.
You're the only one laughing. I'm sorry.
He's always got He is laughing, but he's
trying not to.
But so that's how that's how you treated
it. You just basically
want it. Yeah. And so then you have
and then sometimes you can't dis distinguish between
is this now a substance abuse problem or
is it a PTSD problem that has caused
a substance abuse problem. And either way, now
you have a substance abuse problem that
if people know it's actually caused by something
else, maybe they will be less partial. It's
big in VA hospitals. I know that because
of people that have experienced trauma in war.
Yeah. That is
at least double, if not triple,
the
the occurrence of PTSD is
in combat in veterans. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Anything
else, doc? No. Punkin.
Alright. Well, thank you for that. You know,
we need to return to this a little
bit because, again, let's discuss sometime about what
options are out there. And on the cutting
edge, I have heard, like, they're they're giving
micro doses of mushrooms or the people that,
go in those isolation tanks or those pods.
Yeah. There's a lot. There's therapy. As a
matter of fact, the best. Right.
The the the best treatment
is therapy, is actually talking through the event
so people can re
I just can't do it. We can refer,
but if they talk about the event, if
they can process it, if they get helped
in processing the event,
there is pretty good, outcome.
It's basically how to deal with those thoughts
and moods and
such. Yeah. And mental health is with us
and there's no shame in it. I think
it's come out enough where people don't aren't
shamed by saying
there's need set mental health. Oh, yeah. You
know, psychologists and psychiatrists Mhmm. People go to
therapy all the time. Alright. Very interesting about
PTSD and it does tie in with today's,
very interesting show that we are going to
be going down the path.
I have written a short,
prologue and I'd like to read it now.
From the quiet shores of the Pacific to
the forested hills of Oregon's coast, right where
we live and
across the city and Hiuchi and
down to Klamath and and Eureka and up
to Gold Beach and beyond.
A, there's a there's a rumble. There is
a real rumble growing deep beneath our feet.
It's a sound older than our cities,
older than the coastline itself.
Scientists call this thing
the Cascadia
Subduction Zone. Let me say that again.
Cascadia
Subduction Zone. It's a Essentially, it's a 600
mile stretch of fault
that runs from Northern California
to Vancouver Island. And for centuries,
it's been locked.
It collects pressure as one
Pacific tectonic
plate slowly grinds beneath the
Oh. The
continental
plate, right? And the West Coast ends right
off the coast.
And when it finally lets go, it snaps
back up in a way, so to speak.
And if this happens, the Pacific Northwest
could face one of the most powerful
natural events in North American history, what experts
refer to as the Cascadian
event.
Now most of us live our lives,
blissfully here along the coast. So beautiful. So
nice.
And we are unaware that beneath our own
backyards, beneath our homes, and around our neighborhoods,
there is a force capable of changing everything
in just a few minutes.
Imagine an earthquake so strong that it shakes
cities to the core, from Eureka to Seattle
and beyond, splitting highways, cutting up bridges, and
setting off towering walls of water
that race towards the coast tsunamis
that could arrive in minutes. And for those
living along the Oregon and Northern Cal and
Washington border
that hug the shoreline, the warnings may be
as simple as or as final as the
ground itself.
Scientists have studied deep ocean cores, ancient shorelines,
and native oral histories that describe days when
the sea rose up and swallowed whole villages.
Their findings
reveal a repeating
pattern. Every few centuries, this
Cascadian subduction zone
releases its tension and a massive rupture with
the last one striking in the year
01/1700.
And it was an earthquake estimated to be
in the magnitude of nine point o. More
than
three hundred years have passed since then, so
scientists are saying we're kind of overdue
for this to happen again.
The ground has been silent, but that silence,
say experts, is precisely what makes them uneasy.
Now, my guest today, we were talking preshow
and we said, we don't wanna we don't
wanna sound the alarms and get everybody freaked
out. That's a real a real issue that
we we have to be careful today on
the show because we don't want to make
panic,
cause panic in our in our beautiful coastline,
but it's something we should be fully aware
of because there's more.
Off our coast, there's another feature that many
of you may or may not have heard
of. It's called the Atlas Sea Mount, which
is a massive,
massive water underwater volcano,
and it is being quietly monitored by scientists
as we speak. It is truly a monster
of of of an underwater Vesuvius.
Today,
we will be hearing from the experts in
this on the Cascadia Subduction Zone.
They are two minds that are dedicated to
understanding these depths of uncertainty.
They'll share what what is known, what's still
a mystery, and most importantly,
what each of us can do to prepare
for something that could quite literally,
well, reshape the entire Pacific Northwest as we
know it. So stay with us as we
turn our attention not to faraway headlines or
distant disasters,
but to the restless earth beneath our own
coastlines.
This
will be a show based on the Cascadia
event
and a question,
is it just if it will happen but
when? And these gentlemen are so into tune
of what is going on beneath our feet
and this future event that they themselves
have begun recording
yet another
great weekly broadcast here on KCOW one hundred
point seven FM, and it will be called
Cascadia Strong Radio.
Stay tuned
because in just a few short months in
March will be the kickoff for the Cascadia
Strong Radio and they will debut this new
radio show which will help you
prepare for the future events that are surely
coming our way. Alright. I've gone on long
enough.
With that, no more verbiage for me. Let's
get on the show, and I would love
to introduce,
returning guest, Wes Bruning, and our sound engineer
now turned
Cascadian person. Broadcaster,
Ray Simon. So welcome, Wes and Ray. Well,
thank you. Alright. Yes. Thanks for coming here.
Thank you. Let thanks for letting me come
to the other side of the glass. Yeah.
He does. You're the guy that is always
on the other side of the glass. Let
me out of the room. There you go.
Alright, Gigi. Alright, Wes. Let's start with you.
Where were you born and raised? Our standard
question. Well, actually, standard standard answer. I was
born in San Diego. My dad was in
the Navy.
And, so I was born in San Diego
a long time ago. And, we eventually ended
up in Norfolk, Virginia. Dad was in the
Navy, and that's where I was raised, in
Virginia Beach, actually, on the East Coast.
Oh, when did you come here? Well, we,
moved I moved
I went to college again in San Diego,
and one reason was I chose San Diego
to college was it was 3,000 miles away
from Virginia. Right. So that was the primary
selling point. And, so I went to college
there and
went to the Sydney army
back in 1969,
'70, and '71. Wow. And then,
went back to college, finished an engineering degree,
and then moved to Oregon in 1977
from San Diego.
In '77
to the Oregon Coast? 1977
to Oregon City. I was working in electronics
up in the Portland area. Portland. Yeah. And,
so then we moved down to Brookings. My
wife and I moved down to Brookings just
four years ago.
2002. Everybody moved four to five years ago.
Yeah. Very quickly. From, like, San Diego. We
get a lot of guests. Ray Ray Simon.
Where were you born and raised?
I was born in Chicago and
grew up in the Chicago Metropolitan Area in
a
Naperville.
Naperville. Naperville. Naperville. Because that's where it happened
when I get to The States. Yeah. But
she first migrated here. That's where I think
I met Chi Chi. No.
Years ago.
So
Chicago was it, Yeah. Pretty much kicked around
that area for a long time and then
always wanted to live on the West Coast.
In my mind's eye, it was always California,
and my wife, Donna, suggested we go on,
Donna. What's going on out there? We look
in Oregon. We went down the coast in
two thousand fifteen,
stopped in Brookings, and kept coming back till
we moved here in 2019
or bought a house and then fully moved
here
in, like, 2022.
Wow. Yeah. We're all kind of the same
year coming from the same place. Time. And
I gotta say these two gentlemen
lived side by side along a beautiful stretch
of the Brookings
Coastline that's very, very memorable and quite nice.
And you guys met.
Do we wanna switch right into it? I
think we could kinda start off and say
a few things about you because
did Wes, were you fully aware of this
Cascadian event, let's say, four or five years
ago? Have you known about it for quite
a while? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When I
left Virginia
in
when I was 19,
my mother,
at the time,
told me that California was gonna break off
and fall into the ocean. Of course, that
was the San Andreas Fault. Yeah. So that
was,
when I was 19, way back when. Okay.
So, yeah, I was aware of that, but
I really didn't know about the Cascadia,
fault.
Didn't know about that until I moved to
Oregon here. And I slowly became cognizant of
that. But certainly when I moved here in
Brookings, it became a little more real to
me. Right. How about you, Ray? You're next
door to West. Did you know anything about
it? Almost nothing. I mean, growing up in
the Midwest, all I could hear
is the concept of they're gonna get a
big earthquake. Something big is gonna happen. They're
gonna fall into it's gonna snap in half.
Right. You know, whatever that conversation was about.
So no, it was never,
never on my mind. And in the Midwest,
you know,
we have tornadoes,
ice storms, things like that, but nothing. And
so I never really looked into
any depth
on what the perils are out in this
area. Now how long have people, scientists,
the Van Pattens, other people know about that?
Because,
they have they have a little in the
Harbor Harbor,
they have a little plaque just just,
describing the Cascanian Fault and everything. So how
long has the whole fault thing been monitored?
Well, probably just in the last, I would
say, forty, fifty years Yeah. That. But but,
of course, we still have those tree stumps
up north of us on the coast as
a result of the massive earthquake three hundred
years ago
when the, coast dropped six feet. And they
had a huge tsunami that was actually registered
in Japan. Remember that? Right. And,
and, actually, I'm told I have some friends
who live a little bit north here of
Brookings.
And there's a rock down right on the
beach
that actually the you can see the strata
in the rocks,
in the rock on on the face of
the Yeah. Yeah. And you line it up.
But it's actually curved. It's very wavy. Yeah.
And that's result of the earthquake
moving all that that rocks and all those
strata and making a beautiful pattern. Oh, oh.
Rainbow Rock is what it's called. Right? Oh,
I wonder Rainbow Rock. From the it wasn't
heated up and that's why No. It's just
just a strata that formed over the over
the time. And then when the earthquake came,
it just mangled it and buried it in
these, wavy patterns. Now who who are the
Van Patten's? Who actually does those predictions and
follows the
activity?
Oh, the geologists.
It's Yeah. We have a preeminent geologist here
in town, Bob Bush. Hey, Bob. Who is
hey, Bob. Out there. And, he is, very,
conversant about this area, the geology, and and,
understands what's going on with the Cascadia Fault
and the San Andreas Fault and very knowledgeable
about it. I spent about a half an
hour one time at a party talking with
him about this. Now he's one of the
reasons that, kind of peaked my interest in
this whole whole question about what's gonna happen
when we act the Cascadia Fault really occurs
Right. With the Cascadia event. So Help us.
Yeah. If you wanna continue with that? Embellish?
No. Actually, I don't. No.
Here's here's something I gotta say because I
what I mentioned earlier, Wes and Judy,
live right next to Donna and Ray, and
you guys live on a cliff basically overlooking
the ocean in Brookings. I won't say where,
but it's a beautiful homes.
Ray,
you said you kinda knew about these issues.
When you came out here,
you would have never moved right on the
coast, but you are perched on a cliff
right off the ocean. Yeah. So it it
this is an interesting conversation because
like I said, living in the Midwest, this
is just a background piece of information. It's
not
foremost in your head.
And so I said the first time I
came here was '15, and then in 2017
was the fourth time I visited Brookings,
and I was gonna stay a month,
and
the Checo Bar fire occurred.
And the Checo Bar fire was just, I
guess, something that was
simmering.
It was out there. Some people knew about
it.
And it got to a point
where
it potentially could have burned the city down.
Yeah. So that was a wildfire. Right? The
the mountain It was a wildfire. Massive
spread Mhmm. In the mountainous areas in in
the wilderness.
Yeah. And
for me, I didn't know a lot of
people around here, and you could hear I
could hear people talk about it.
There were some warnings, and then it got
to be a major problem.
And
to the point where I'm going to schools
where they're having emergency meetings,
I'm seeing
up to
under a thousand firefighters
brought in
Right. Across the country. Now this isn't
earthquake, obviously. It's not Right. Tsunami. Is it
a big fire alarm? It's a thing that
had been going on for
multi month multiple months.
And what I learned
was that our town was under grave danger,
and they brought a commander to
the top of the command post to be
in charge. I believe he was from Boston.
And at the schools, he just said, If
the winds change and this Chetco effect, and
I'm like, What? Chetco effect? That's the first
time you heard about it. Wow. It's this
thing, right? And he explains it, and he
said if it happens this weekend again,
the spread will bring it all the way
through the city streets.
He goes, I'm feeling pretty 80 much like
80% confident.
Well,
I'm sitting there going, Wow, how are we
gonna get out of here? So I felt
kinda
helpless,
scared a bit, concerned.
Right? I'm gathering information.
And so
this had gravity to it. This is something
that really,
stuck in my head. So now
to me, it kind of goes away. I
get to go back to Illinois. I'm going
back and forth every few months. Just before
you bought your house? Yeah. Okay. So I
come back here and there's no more Chuck
O'Barr fire. And if it is, it's
it's being put out, smoldering.
So now, like most people,
this goes into the back of my head,
right? It recedes in importance. Like, okay. So
I do a little research and I go,
Yeah, I wonder how often this
happens.
And I go back to 2002,
and there was something called the Biscuit Fire.
So anyhow, I go, you know, this doesn't
happen that often. Well, 2023,
we had another fire not of the same
magnitude.
Right? But essentially, for someone like me,
this disappears. I'm busy. I'm from a city.
There's always things happening. Right. Out of sight,
out of mind. Yeah. So what do I
do? I go buy a house in 2019.
Yeah.
Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And, of course, we had
the Crescent City big fire two years ago.
That was Yeah. That was that the part
of the Flat Fire?
No. That was a separate fire. This is
one where we went to the the Crescent
City where you guys were okay up here,
but it shut down. We didn't have power
We didn't have power. Yeah. And they had
and they had all these volunteers or police
people and everybody. They had checked the bar.
It's amazing.
And over the for everyone nationwide. Now if
you when we were thinking, what if the
fire comes? We could see it. Obviously, it
was really, really close to sea.
Where can you go? There's only three roads
away. Right? One to the north, one to
the south, and one into the mountains. So,
yeah, if something happens Yeah. It and so
that was a different
emergency. Right? It wasn't like the sudden thing.
Right. And it's still And me being here
for a month, it occupied probably three weeks
of my thinking. So it did have me
think and look into what else could happen
here.
Yeah. And that's fine. So that was the
beginning of the gravity of this thing for
me. K. When did you two put your
heads together? Were you at a party? Because
you're literally next door neighbors. We're drinking wine,
doc. Great. Drinking wine. Actually, we had attended
a,
a seminar put on by
the Curry County emergency coordination
fellow here,
works for this county.
And, he described,
the
reaction to the tsunami alert we had last
spring. You may remember the Yeah. Talk about
that. Yeah.
Well, we had an earthquake Uh-huh.
Down off of the coast of Eureka Mhmm.
And it triggered the tsunami alert. A seven.
Right? It was a seven. Something like that.
Yeah. And the big, siren down there in
harbor, you know, blasting. You could probably hear
it all as a town. It's scary. Right?
And it went for, like, twenty minutes. I
can't imagine living underneath that thing for twenty
minutes as it was blasting. But nonetheless, I
heard it. And, I so I said, okay.
You know, it's time to do something.
What are
you? What, what do you do? And I
had no clue and I walked out of
the house and I'm thinking, I hear the
siren. What am I supposed to do here?
What is this? So, so we attended a,
a, session put on by this, this,
emergency coordinator, here in New York County.
And, he described the county,
response to that. And I won't get into
the details, but it was dismal, absolutely
dismal.
And, when Ray and I both attended this
seminar, as well as a couple other people
here at the radio station attended it and
others as well. And we walked out and
we were talking afterwards and I came in
and Ray and I both came to the
conclusion that we're screwed.
There's no, there's not gonna be any help
at all from the, from the government officials,
the city, the county, nobody. If this thing
happens, if a serious tsunami or earthquake occurs,
what are we gonna do? So that's when
Ray and I started talking about, well, it's
an individual effort here. I mean, virtually every
man for himself, basically.
And the way I look at it is,
if you see a serious earthquake occur
and a disaster in this area, the emergency
people are not gonna be lined up like
they were for the fires. Right. With plenty
of time to come up and come in
from all of the time. Time to get
organized on. They're gonna be home taking care
of their own families, which I don't blame
them a bit. So what happens to the
rest of us? Well, you're on your own.
And, Ray and I started talking about, well,
how can we, you know, what can we
do about that? So we came up with
this idea of helping
the local area,
Brookings and and the entire coastal communities,
to prepare in advance
for this and get cognizant of what the
problem is
and start to do things that can prepare
them to deal with such a situation.
Wow. Yeah. So that that meeting that Wes
talks about, that was strike two for me.
Strike one was the fire
To recognize that there's only a handful of
people here
that can help.
Yeah. And to get that many federal people
here was just amazing to see. But then
to hear people actually in a government entity
with jobs to talk about this,
it was dismal. There was nothing that could
help. So that was strike two for me
to say,
Yeah, this is an individual effort. I think
about the bridges you pass over, some you
don't even know. Every little Yeah. Every little
chasm we pass is going up and down
that coast have bridges and those get knocked
down. Where do we go? Alright. Time flies
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your PPA or your partnership with the performing
arts. Thank you for your support. And lastly,
my dear co host doctor Gigi Reed and
yours truly, Jacques. On behalf of KCIW,
thanks to all of you. We're gonna go
into this and run this for the next
thirty minutes talking with you. It's fascinating. Yeah.
It's interesting. You guys know it.
We had a little time before the show
to talk about it. You emphasized you don't
want to scare people. You're not here to
scare people and say, oh, he's going to
come and get you.
But for the first time ever, Doctor. Gigi
and I a few days ago in preparation
for the show
said, Maybe we should pack a bug out
bag and put it in the garage or
out in the well house
and stock it with the things that we
need
just in case. We live a mile from
the coast. You guys live
100 feet from the coast. But you're up
top of a cliff. You're lucky. Okay. We're
on sand.
So
what what are we
first tell us about that. Let's back it
up. Let's go to Cascadia Strong Radio. Tell
us a little bit about that, the two
of you, and what your intent is of
what you wanna do with this new radio
show that will be aired here on KCOW.
Well, Cascadia Strong Radio is gonna be a
half hour show
and,
with Ray and I involved. And the idea
is to,
help people get our
get a handle on what what we're facing.
You know, it's it's it's a major opportunity
for fear.
But, you know, the more you know about
something and the more you understand it and
the more you've,
taken steps to cope with it, the fear
dissipates.
So you prepare yourself mentally, you prepare yourself
for your go bags and other sorts of
things you might put in place
And the fear dissipates. Okay? Now, I feel
confident. I feel ready. My family and I
have a plan. We've got things in place.
We know what to do. When the siren
goes off, you just don't walk out and
go, what do I do now? You know,
you start
taking action. And that's really what Cascadia Strong
Radio is all about. How can you start?
Now, the situation may be so huge, you
go, golly, you know, I can't deal with
this. What I don't even know where to
start. Well, that's what we're we're here to
do. Start with one step at a time.
Now Ray has an outstanding approach. He says,
every month, I have something. I try to
make one step forward every month. Just designate
one day every month and take one step
forward on this plan. Well, you do that
enough times and pretty soon you've got something
in place that is pretty reasonable. Okay. Wait
a minute. Ray, what do you mean? What
do you mean taking one step? What are
you doing?
So so I'm gonna back up just a
second. So I'm your primary audience
for this radio program. So when I met
Wes
I'm talking to Wes every now and then
about this. I recognize I'm totally naive. I
don't know where to start.
It's a massive
thing in my head, So I don't do
anything other than I talk to Wes and
come home once in a while, look at
my wife, and I go, Ah, we'll be
screwed.
No, so I'm screwed.
So
what we end up doing is I don't
know. Wes has a lot of information I
learned,
and I started to whittle away at it.
So it's really I'm gonna do something. I'm
gonna go buy a Go Bag on eBay.
Mhmm. Okay. I'm gonna go One step. Right?
I'm gonna go buy those special flashlights in
case it's You wind up.
That's what we got off the the power
outage.
Instead of using my, you know, worn out
clothing for when I'm painting outside,
Those are a little ripped. I'll throw them
in the go bag. Right? So it's just
a little bit at a time.
Yeah. Or it was when
so one day I said, Wes, help me
here a little bit. And Wes gives me
a list of all of these things. I'm
like, oh, jeez. I don't even know what
to do with all this. Well, guess what?
It was Prime Day, right, where you get
everything on sale. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just
went down as listed. If it was a
Prime Sale, I'm like, buy it. Buy it.
Buy it. Wow. And then we get all
the stuff. Right? And all of a sudden,
I go to my wife Donna. I go,
what what do I do with that? I'm
a city guy. I'm not a outdoors guy.
What do I do with this fancy stove
thing? I don't even know how to start
this. And she goes, read the direction. I
packed 400 cans of, of canned food, but
I forgot a can opener. What's that? I
got this an issue. Very, very interesting. Alright.
Keep going about the Cascadia. Just tell us
a little bit more. We're interested. Okay. So
what what our plan then is is to
help people get started in a small way
and become more knowledgeable. That's the idea. Now
the thing of it is neither Ray nor
I are experts in all these areas. Some
of these areas we haven't got a clue
ourselves in. So what we wanna do is
we wanna reach out to the community
to find people that are knowledgeable about some
of these areas
and bring them into our show and interview
them just as you're interviewing us.
Wow. Great idea. And and,
bring coalesce a lot of expertise
that then can be shared with with the
greater
the greater area. So that really also shows
that you're on your own because you're not
special you were not a specialist. So you're
taking it on
yourself saying,
well, I'll get specialist and I find out
what do we need, what is the what
are your, you know, the the bag and
the stove and whatnot. It's not like you
knew it all in college. You got your
information from other places,
and then you're getting in touch with people
who actually do that for a living or
or learned it somewhere. Right? So that's And
the next step beyond that, Gigi, is not
only are we doing finding experts, but we're
also talking to people who have been through
it. Ah. Yeah. Yeah. We have people in
town right here that have been burned out.
They have fifteen minutes to evacuate and they
lost their entire home. Everything.
We have people here that experienced the the
Northridge earthquake down in Los Angeles
and lived through that. Yeah. And what was
that like? We've interviewed them. Mhmm. And they'll
be part of our show as well. K.
So as we listen to their experience and
what what,
like the one woman that we talked to
about the Northridge earthquake, she was in a
hotel and she'll relate this actually on our
show. She says that she and her she
was down there for she was in, Los
Angeles in Northridge for a seminar
and they're staying at, like, a Hilton hotel
or something like that. And her roommate, this
other woman, as they're going up to their
room at night, she says, we ought to
go see what's at the end of the
halls just so we know where the escape
areas are.
And,
and and this woman said, that you know,
you don't need to do that. Why would
you do that? You know, that's who cares?
Well, they did that. Well, it turned out
that night is when the earthquake hit, and
they actually used those exes that they happened
to go see firsthand to escape from the
hotel. Just a fortuitous thing. So so as
we learn from other people's experience, we kinda
become aware of our circumstance
and become aware of perhaps things we just
take a look at just casually
so we know what to do if something
happens. Okay. Yeah. And and if you hear
some of these stories that, I mean, they
begin with a feeling of despair. Right? That
something's happened it's actually happening. Mhmm. Then you
hear how they got through it, how they
survive and what they think. And what I
find really interesting is their go back, their
go around on the information.
How are they going to
improve
in case it happens again?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
remember I said,
I need to chunk this up into pieces
and whittle away at it. Same thing with
the show. I'm gonna learn a whole lot
by people who come on the show a
little at a time.
Mhmm. You know, I I lived through a
hurricane while I was I came back and
the house was destroyed from a hurricane. And
it's just Oh, jeez. It is amazing how
much you learn going through it. I certainly
don't wanna do that again, but it was
life
changing.
And
I was just like that. What I I
stood in front of the house. I couldn't
even get in. I just picked up something
and started crying. And these and these car
trucks stopped and they said,
ma'am, we can help you. They they actually
drove down from Georgia and I just cried
because, wow,
how many people can you know, anyway, to
go through that,
having people help, that was the first time
I went through.
Before we
thirty minutes before we evacuated, they say, hey,
we have to evacuate, get everything that you
need in a little box. You don't have
time for anything else. So
being a little bit more prepared, next time
maybe I will be, possibly.
With the Cascadia event, you at least you
have a little bit already done. Right? You
have been through that saying, well, maybe you
I can lose everything.
But the biggest thing that I felt is
somebody
helping you, somebody being there. You're really not
alone. And so if we are all prepared
to a certain degree
and learn how to we we can help
each other, you know, pull each other up
on the shoestrings.
I like the idea That's true. Of you
taking guests that have survived some Yeah. Other
disasters and
you're learning from them. Yeah. It's a half
hour show? Yes. Half hour show. That's correct.
Yeah. So if you have to put in
a nutshell
to, you know, to to favorize
up your for your show, your BOLTA show
is what can we do to prepare ourselves?
Mhmm. Mhmm. Well,
be aware of what the situation is gonna
be. Know what it is. Know what it
is. What are you dealing with here? And
earthquakes are different than tsunamis, which are different
than fires, which are different than smoke, which
are different than heat, with all these other
things. We're gonna address all those. But, you
know, what we've done here with Cascadia Strong
is we put together a list of episodes.
We've got about 35 episodes defined right now.
Woah.
Because we started poking at this. This just
became a Pandora's box. I mean, every time
you poked it, it's like the tar baby.
Right? You poke it, you just you find
somebody else to poke. And so the the
topics are just amazing. I would have never
thought about these things. For example,
well, first off, there's several organizations already actively
at work for years
in the in the coastal areas. Mhmm. And
we're gonna be interviewing the people that are
running those things. Like who? Well, for instance,
the, let's see. I have a list of
them right here. The,
Cascadia Coastal Coalition as an example. Wow. Okay.
And there's the Curry County Community Organizations Active
in Disaster
Organization. Wow. The CCCOAD,
as as they're called. The other one, Cascadia
Coastal Coalition, CCC.
We'll be talking to the the people who
run those. You've got the Red Cross.
They're very active in this sort of thing.
The interesting thing I learned about the Red
Cross, which we'll cover again when we talk
to them, is that they have a service
whereby you can find your loved ones when
you become separated.
I know that. Wow. So, you know, you
and that's one issue that if You're right.
Right. If the quake or something strikes here,
your kids are at school. Yeah. Your wife's
out doing this. You're out doing that. How
do you get together? That's part of the
plan you put in place. Oh. If something
asks, where are we gonna meet? How are
we gonna do this? And you practice. You
rehearse it. You know, that sort of thing.
So there's there's the organizations that are actually
doing something now.
Excuse me. Goosebumps takes you to your point.
It does. It does.
So you put together a plan. You know,
that that's the one thing we're gonna talk
about, a disaster plan for the family. Take
care of your family, your kids, your wife,
your yourself, your even your pets. You know,
what are you gonna do? So how do
you do that? So we'll be talking to
people about how to develop a plan, and
then rehearse that plan
to practice it so the kids know how
this thing works. Right? How you know how
it works. Mental resilience, and there's a you
touched on that a moment ago with your
PTSD.
How can you become mentally strong to deal
with these situations when they arise? You just
don't fall apart.
That'll be a session.
Putting together your go bag, That's a key
thing. Yeah. And there's a lot of information
I can do that today. Right? Yep. What
what do I have in it? You know?
Yeah. There's a variety of things that she
should have in it. What about when the
go bag's not enough? You know? Okay. You've
got a tsunami or an earthquake. Well, that's
not over in an hour or two. I
mean, certainly when, you know, the San Andreas
movie, right, with, with The Rock, you know,
The San Andreas falls open in half an
hour and there's a movie ever after than
what. Right? Yeah. Right. Rock saves the, the
kids and the girls and He's skiing along
and both. Oh, so But, you know, when
we live through this, it's gonna be here
for months. It's gonna be here for months.
Yeah. So what happens then? What happens in
the aftermath? What's available to us? So we'll
be talking to businesses. What have you done
to prepare for this? That you you can
help take care of the people that are
left here? Because as you said earlier, the
bridges are gonna be down. We're isolated here
in Bronx.
And who knows how you know, FEMA's not
gonna be jumping in Brookings to take care
of us right off the bat. Right. Absolutely
not. And how are they gonna get in
other than flying in? But, yeah, I'm right.
Exactly right. Our bridges are gonna be the
light bulb. They're gonna be gone? They're gonna
be destroyed.
So what else should we have, you know,
beyond the go bag? Mhmm. And how do
you deal with that?
That's something.
Power outages, power's gonna be gone. Oh, definitely.
Yeah. Our main power line comes right down
the coast from from Coos Bay.
It goes through the tsunami zones. Our substations
are in the tsunami zone. Yeah.
So Our power line came down from Medford,
and that that's where the burns were. You
you know, it was it's burned in there.
A few years ago. That's right. That's where
Octasound were too busy. Didn't have power. Uh-huh.
So you don't have power? Yeah. How do
you deal with that, and what can you
do to like your cell phones? Maybe you
have some sort of medical device that requires
electricity.
How are you gonna provide power for that?
So we were talking about that.
Water.
The the water lines go underneath under the
ground. Big wood. Well, as the ground buckles,
all the water lines will go down. Guess
what? Yeah. Our we had a, we had
during this big disaster,
our, they cut off all the water. So
they couldn't get any water in in Crescent
City.
And but, hey, we
were smart. We had a well. Oh, we
were proud of you. Problem was it was
an electric pump that pumps it from the
well to the house. So we had no
water.
Mhmm. And that was a a a real,
that was a real wake up. So he
actually went he drove the car back and
he had this big old container and he
siphoned up the water and let it Yeah.
The big phone packed out. So he packed
this right. But we had no way Yeah.
We Yeah. Then we And and some of
these have, you know, they're significant magnitude. They're
simple things. Someone from out of town like
me. Right? I come from a different area
of the country.
Where do I even go? Let's say I
could get in my car. I never thought
of a plan that maps out. Yeah. Or
Donna and my wife, here, we're gonna meet
here. I'm gonna bring the car. Something as
simple as that. Mhmm. Never even never even
thought of things like that. Yeah. There's a
search and rescue people. Okay? This is a
great lesson. We know a good friend of
ours is a search and rescue volunteer.
And I said, I said, are you always
we need so many people to be trained
in the basic search and rescue, you know,
that could go out there and survive for
hours if not days
and helping someone else. But she says, we're
all volunteers and in a big event,
we're gonna be our families come first. You
referred to that earlier. Yeah. She said, I
thought I'm really I'm not obligated to they
don't pay me anything.
If my family needs me, I'm with my
family. Absolutely. And then talk about something, a
disaster, possibly an earthquake,
big earthquake with,
with all the damage that that does, the
liquefaction,
and then that and possibly the
the volcano going, the tsunamis, it goes on
and on and on. And this is a
huge swath of our coast. Mhmm. Huge swath.
Mhmm.
Wow. I just
there has to be we have to become
more aware. I did not know anything about
the Cascadia Subduction
Zone until I met you two.
Wes, what kind of maybe hit a couple
more episodes that we're gonna
Well, yeah. Some of the other episodes that
we will be covering are,
what do you do for communications?
Your cell phones? Right. The cell phone towers
are down? Or if you don't have power,
maybe your battery goes dead after a while?
What do you You can't get gas because
the gas stations don't yeah. Fuel? Because the
gas stations don't work? You're right. We just
go down to the ATM and withdraw You
can't do that. Your money's gonna be frozen.
Long? Yeah. Well, yeah. I learned from Wes
even that I can go buy small cubes
that are solar powered
that can sell my
or charge my cell phones. Mhmm. Yes. Mhmm.
We have a couple of those. I'm amazed.
But what happens if this happens during a
that end day winter rainstorm
that's we are very well acquainted with that.
Well, you don't have to worry about water
then. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You don't have to
worry about water. Yeah. We get it. But,
you know, if we think about water for
drinking water, but you gotta flush your toilet
too. Right. You know? Have you ever been
without a toilet? That's that's a big problem.
Without water, but Absolutely. So, you know, there's
that.
And and what about our shut ins and
our people that are hard to Exactly. Mind.
Immobile, basically. Yeah. You know, what happens with
them? Who helps them?
Is there a plan in place to you
know, we know this person over here is
just shut in or or bedridden or something.
How are they gonna get out? What what
are we gonna do for that? So the
the neighborhoods, the community has to come together
Come together? To be out for each other.
Yep. I think that's gonna be something What
about the hospital in GGT? They have a
they have a emergency
They do. Generator, but that needs
gas. Yeah. But do they have enough gas
to last for a little bit? But yeah.
I mean, you're right because,
not not everything is actually powered with a
generator. Mhmm. So,
for example, the out the outpatient clinic where
I worked, we didn't have any electricity, but
the the hospital or or or power, you
know, the gas pump. Generators when Mhmm. Cresta
City had the fire last, two years ago.
When they brought in those generators,
but they had to bring them way around
because the road was shut down from Medford.
And so we were stranded there, and they
had to go clear down and around. You
know? It was just it was And they
and they provided the gas. Right? Didn't they
say 42,000
gallons or a day
of that to provide They had to light
up the whole city. Yeah. We were completely
without electricity. Yeah. So so there's backups in
place for a lot of things, but it's
it's interesting to think about what happens if
they're not there or they They can't make
it in it. Right? Yeah. So, you know,
how do you operate? Yeah. Like, how does
a neighborhood I I like what you brought
up, Wes. How does a neighborhood operate for
their neighbors? How does a community operate? And
of course, there's the food. You can't go
to wherever
to get food because there is no food
that you can go to a restaurant to.
So how how do you address that? Is
that in your to go back? Oh, this
big container of a 120
meals.
Oh. Oh, the What what gave me a
list and I'm like looking at this thing?
It's called my my truck through the window
Safeway. That's what it's called. That's right. It
might refer to that. But look, everybody's looking
at me so seriously. What is that my
truck? My I'll get my truck and smash
through the window at Safeway. That's how I'm
gonna go steal it. Oh, hey. I didn't
say that. Sorry.
Damn. If you're listening, this is what we're
having for dinner. Less than $9,000,
they won't prosecute you. Is that right? Okay.
Good. Alright. I'm taking 8 and a half.
Back on track here.
So,
so the other thing that's interest to me
is
what happens to your your,
your purchasing system? Mhmm. Your commerce. Oh, my
goodness.
All of a sudden now you can't get
money.
So you got a barter system. Well, I
don't know about you, but I've never bartered
anything. I don't even know how. So what
we need to do is find somebody to
help us learn
what's the key of bartering. How do you
do that? How does that work?
How do you prepare for it? So I'd
like to know something about that. So we're
gonna have someone come on the air and
and discuss bartering with us.
Wow. Woah. Look at that. Crypto, man. Crypto's
the way to go. Crypto. Absolutely. In shock,
you get buy on jokes. Yeah. Trade a
joke for a buyer. We have no money.
We have no electricity,
no water, trauma injuries.
In the worst case scenario,
cars that aren't running because no gas,
food issues. I mean, we would have to
be a community that comes together Absolutely. To
help each other. And this is a long
term deal. This is we're talking
probably weeks or months. Mhmm.
One of the,
senior general managers in the area I was
talking with, was talking to somebody in Salem,
an emergency coordinator in Salem up here. And
he asked him a question, what's what's the
state gonna do when a cascade event happens?
He's, you know, oh, this is gonna have
total devastation.
And the, the the,
emergency manager out of Salem, you know, the
government, Oregon government, said, well, I'm gonna call
the Navy. The Navy will send his ship,
put it offshore, and we'll run power to,
you know, from the ship. Yeah. As generators
and can do that. And hospital ships, I
guess, to help. And hospital ships. But, we're
down here in Brookings. Yeah. True. You know,
we're down here in the corner. Portland's gonna
get a lot of, a lot of Maybe
Portland's gonna get a generator. Yeah. You know?
But what about us? And so we're, we
have kind of a unique situation in that
we've gotta be a little more resourceful.
How are we going to do that? And
that's what, that's what the radio station, the
radio program is all about. Just discuss these
issues, throw it out there, say, okay, and
everybody looks at it and says, okay, this
is what I'm gonna do, this is what
I'm gonna do, and we come together and
come up with something that we can survive.
And, you know, we we said before that
it's really about individual preparedness. Yeah. We're also
hoping that by getting some of these people
from organizations
on the program
that we can elevate the awareness a bit
where maybe
there are other ways they can engage or
begin to engage
and have the discussions amongst themselves.
And,
it could be anything from the business owners
in the community
to the governmental entities
to people volunteering
to that I mean, they have some knowledge
and maybe they're willing to impart it by
their volunteer work.
Yeah. Working together, helping each other. I mean,
that will get the communities together because it
is super really important
because what I don't know what to do,
you can help me and maybe I have
something Okay. But what about go ahead. Oh,
remember I said at the beginning that here
I
experienced this fire and it's traumatic in my
head, and then when it's not there, it
goes away.
So this radio program is an opportunity
to keep a conversation
live
that maybe we need to think about periodically.
Keep it updated. How about folks out there
listening? You know how to turn off your
gas line at your house, for instance? We
where is your gas line? We get the
butane. Right? Or the,
propane. Propane. We get and I don't know.
A thingy on there. Yeah. There's a thingy
on there. But your water, I still don't
know where your water is. I don't think
we can. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. I could go
up to the just turn it off. Okay.
So how many of us know these things?
Right. Right? Just that alone. Check out now.
Now one other thing I would I would
mention to you,
as Ray mentioned early on, I gave him
a list. You know, he went down to
prime on Amazon Prime Day, you know, started
buying stuff. You know? I went on Amazon
Prime, and I'm doing some research on the
water issue. How do you get potable water,
drink water?
And I found this this this item on,
Amazon
that's, water pills. Right. Water water solution. You
add just to so many gallons of water,
it makes it good for five years. You
can store it. And I'm going, wow, this
is good stuff. A little expensive.
But I said, wow, this is really good.
So I didn't look at it all that
hard, so I bought it. This is like
$30
for this. And I bought three quarters of
an ounce of
household laundry bleach. Oh, for thirty months.
My goodness. Now was
I irritated when I found that out? Right.
You bet I was. You know, so one
thing we're gonna do is we're gonna talk
about products.
We can't endorse products. I know that. But,
we're gonna talk about the general, you know,
acquiring stuff to help you. And you can
get scammed. I mean, I spent $30 on
three quarters of an ounce of household ranching.
Yeah. For two gallons of gas and gas.
A dollar and a half.
Exactly right. Yeah. They'll bring it over for
wine time. Yeah. I got wine and food.
That's another. Just the refrigerator, we have freezers
too. Right? They went out.
So now what do we do? We remember
our freezer we had to how did we
get around that? I forget. We we gave
some to your friend. Oh, yes. We gave
we we To Victoria. Yep. Thank you for
taking Yep. Our freezer stuff. Thanks, Victoria, for
listening. That's right. She took it in. Brookings
was unaffected, but that's right. We needed
we had so much frozen. And luckily, we
could drive up there. I mean That's true.
There was no bridge in that river. Still
going. Yeah. So we've all lived through the
how many people do we know in this
area
that have survived the Paradise Fire? I know
Oh, so many people. Like Powell and Yeah.
And and the
The Whiskey River The Whiskey, down in Red
Redway or, I can't think of the name
of the town now. Just south.
Mhmm.
Anyway. Okay. Anyway,
so many people So there were so many
people displaced because
of the fire They live here in this
city. Mike and Teresa are who we've already
interviewed. We'll be talking with them. Better yet,
fascinating. Really? You've had them on the show.
Yeah. We got that show in the can.
Oh my goodness. How cool is that? So
they yeah. They have stories. So my sister
got burned down in the Santa Rosa fire.
Fifteen minutes, like you said, came back, absolutely
scorched everything to the earth. Yeah. Yeah. And
people are just recuperating. So lost everything. And
so that's the other thing. If you lose
everything, you cannot go and dig through what
you have and do right? You're it's done.
It's gone. It's gone. So what now what?
You have different kind of events. Right? So
the fire is something that there is a
little bit, there there is a certain amount
of
time Yeah. To do something. Right. Yeah. An
earthquake. Well, yeah. Tsunami.
That comes on pretty fast.
Right.
That's the tough one. I mean, what about
these houses that are like right along the
jetty and
in Crescent City that are right along Pebble
Beach Road
that are there. They're level with the ocean
or just Yeah. They're right on water. Right?
Boy, hang on. There's some really beautiful homes
and it's gonna affect us. Okay. Let's bring
it back to kinda surmise this whole thing.
Scientists are saying
that it's overdue.
I've heard several people have said it's like
every 300, well, we could do the math
here. Two to 500. Yeah. Right.
And it's overdue and we know that one
tectonic plate is moving in and the other
one's gonna catch and buckle.
The way water works is fascinating to me
that the ocean can create these huge tsunamis,
but they're realistic threats.
So in a nutshell,
what would you say? Is there anything comforting
you could
say to people instead of just getting everybody
freaked out, I meant? Preparation. Just preparation. Preparation.
Yeah.
Address it with a clear mind, a clear
head,
and what can I do to help my
family
and and my neighbors
get through this and get to the other
side? Maybe a neighborhood watch for this kind
of a Something. Yeah. To I think the
working together is and go back to that.
I mean, if the I would guess the
houses are gonna be damaged to a certain
degree, if not wiped out.
Go back saying, hey, did did that lady
get out of the house? Go back and
find people who might be trapped. Right? If
we know who lives where, then go. Did
they No matter how small your neighborhood Yeah.
It's still a neighborhood.
Yeah. Right. Exactly.
Well, awareness, preparation, and and, you know,
preparation of varying degrees, you know, as long
as you get started. Mhmm. You
Wow. Ray Simon and, Wes Bruning. Wow. What
a fascinating hour it has been. We've talked
about forty five minutes, and we could we
just started getting going. Right? I mean, did
we not? We are we are we could
carry this,
on and on and on. Fleas or no
Or the listeners can listen to Cascadia Strong
Radio and get it all detailed out. Mid
March. I can't wait for that. Yeah. Now
looking at Tom Bozak and the engineer, is
that a thumbs up for these guys? You
helped him record it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. He's
given us a thumbs up. So you've got
these in the can,
and they're ready to be broadcast.
So let us know. We will do everything
we can to get the word out about,
such an important
We appreciate that greatly. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate
you guys coming on the show. It's gonna
be on YouTube too at the end then?
Will it be or or or, podcast it.
Right? Podcasting. Yes. Yes. Very cool. Alright. We
like the website as well that, focuses on
this area. Oh, well, well, tell us about
the website. Well, we we need
to find someone to help us do that.
Oh. Same with us. When you find them,
send them our way. Okay?
Alright. We gotta close out the show right
now, do we not? No. We still have
us thirty minutes to go. You can't get
a joke, please. Okay.
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it, said Henry Rollins.
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I found I found that old I think
I found one of your old sure.
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Doctor Gigi says that I'm street smart,
Sesame street smart.
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