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the doctor. Yeah. The doctor Gigi and I

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your own name and university professor and doctor

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doctor you know, Gigi Reed. What medical marvels

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week's segment

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of MDG?

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Why, thank you. Okay.

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Today,

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it won't be as fun because you won't

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to our, MD ten. Today, I will be

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discussing post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD. I

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through or witnesses a traumatic event that felt

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terrifying, or life threatening. I wonder how long

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PTSD has been around. I mean, when did

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they I don't know. Do you know that?

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a doctor. You've dealt with it. Oh, yeah.

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world's completely unsafe, etcetera. Well, that's bordered on

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the area of what, schizophrenic almost? No. No.

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goes well with our theme and guest today

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as Wes Bruning and Ray Simon will be

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talking about the Ray Simon is there. Yeah.

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engineer's booth. So that brings him back into

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the fold. Okay. They'll be talking about the

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physical or sexual assault or other interpersonal violence.

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terrorist attacks. Oh, yikes. Yeah. So some of

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them we will discuss today. Okay. Sudden loss

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of a loved one or life threatening medical

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events. That's a big one. Right? The loss

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experienced yet. We're just children. Right? Or Prior

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association of experiencing A marker. Disease with certain

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other drugs. And they need to prescribe it.

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He's always got He is laughing, but he's

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is it a PTSD problem that has caused

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a substance abuse problem. And either way, now

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if people know it's actually caused by something

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the occurrence of PTSD is

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in combat in veterans. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Anything

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else, doc? No. Punkin.

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Alright. Well, thank you for that. You know,

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we need to return to this a little

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bit because, again, let's discuss sometime about what

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options are out there. And on the cutting

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edge, I have heard, like, they're they're giving

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micro doses of mushrooms or the people that,

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go in those isolation tanks or those pods.

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matter of fact, the best. Right.

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The the the best treatment

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is therapy, is actually talking through the event

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I just can't do it. We can refer,

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they can process it, if they get helped

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in processing the event,

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there is pretty good, outcome.

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such. Yeah. And mental health is with us

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and there's no shame in it. I think

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it's come out enough where people don't aren't

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there's need set mental health. Oh, yeah. You

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therapy all the time. Alright. Very interesting about

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PTSD and it does tie in with today's,

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very interesting show that we are going to

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be going down the path.

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prologue and I'd like to read it now.

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From the quiet shores of the Pacific to

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the forested hills of Oregon's coast, right where

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we live and

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across the city and Hiuchi and

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down to Klamath and and Eureka and up

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to Gold Beach and beyond.

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A, there's a there's a rumble. There is

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a real rumble growing deep beneath our feet.

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It's a sound older than our cities,

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older than the coastline itself.

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Scientists call this thing

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the Cascadia

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Subduction Zone. Let me say that again.

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Cascadia

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Subduction Zone. It's a Essentially, it's a 600

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mile stretch of fault

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that runs from Northern California

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to Vancouver Island. And for centuries,

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it's been locked.

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It collects pressure as one

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Pacific tectonic

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plate slowly grinds beneath the

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Oh. The

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continental

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plate, right? And the West Coast ends right

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off the coast.

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And when it finally lets go, it snaps

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back up in a way, so to speak.

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And if this happens, the Pacific Northwest

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could face one of the most powerful

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natural events in North American history, what experts

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refer to as the Cascadian

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event.

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Now most of us live our lives,

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blissfully here along the coast. So beautiful. So

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nice.

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And we are unaware that beneath our own

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backyards, beneath our homes, and around our neighborhoods,

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there is a force capable of changing everything

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in just a few minutes.

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Imagine an earthquake so strong that it shakes

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cities to the core, from Eureka to Seattle

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and beyond, splitting highways, cutting up bridges, and

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setting off towering walls of water

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that race towards the coast tsunamis

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that could arrive in minutes. And for those

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living along the Oregon and Northern Cal and

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Washington border

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that hug the shoreline, the warnings may be

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as simple as or as final as the

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ground itself.

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Scientists have studied deep ocean cores, ancient shorelines,

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and native oral histories that describe days when

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the sea rose up and swallowed whole villages.

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Their findings

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reveal a repeating

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pattern. Every few centuries, this

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Cascadian subduction zone

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releases its tension and a massive rupture with

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the last one striking in the year

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01/1700.

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And it was an earthquake estimated to be

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in the magnitude of nine point o. More

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than

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three hundred years have passed since then, so

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scientists are saying we're kind of overdue

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for this to happen again.

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The ground has been silent, but that silence,

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say experts, is precisely what makes them uneasy.

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Now, my guest today, we were talking preshow

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and we said, we don't wanna we don't

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wanna sound the alarms and get everybody freaked

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out. That's a real a real issue that

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we we have to be careful today on

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the show because we don't want to make

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panic,

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cause panic in our in our beautiful coastline,

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but it's something we should be fully aware

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of because there's more.

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Off our coast, there's another feature that many

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of you may or may not have heard

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of. It's called the Atlas Sea Mount, which

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is a massive,

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massive water underwater volcano,

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and it is being quietly monitored by scientists

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as we speak. It is truly a monster

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of of of an underwater Vesuvius.

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Today,

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we will be hearing from the experts in

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this on the Cascadia Subduction Zone.

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They are two minds that are dedicated to

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understanding these depths of uncertainty.

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They'll share what what is known, what's still

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a mystery, and most importantly,

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what each of us can do to prepare

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for something that could quite literally,

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well, reshape the entire Pacific Northwest as we

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know it. So stay with us as we

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turn our attention not to faraway headlines or

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distant disasters,

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but to the restless earth beneath our own

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coastlines.

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This

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will be a show based on the Cascadia

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event

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and a question,

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is it just if it will happen but

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when? And these gentlemen are so into tune

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of what is going on beneath our feet

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and this future event that they themselves

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have begun recording

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yet another

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great weekly broadcast here on KCOW one hundred

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point seven FM, and it will be called

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Cascadia Strong Radio.

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Stay tuned

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because in just a few short months in

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March will be the kickoff for the Cascadia

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Strong Radio and they will debut this new

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radio show which will help you

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prepare for the future events that are surely

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coming our way. Alright. I've gone on long

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enough.

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With that, no more verbiage for me. Let's

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get on the show, and I would love

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to introduce,

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returning guest, Wes Bruning, and our sound engineer

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now turned

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Cascadian person. Broadcaster,

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Ray Simon. So welcome, Wes and Ray. Well,

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thank you. Alright. Yes. Thanks for coming here.

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Thank you. Let thanks for letting me come

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to the other side of the glass. Yeah.

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He does. You're the guy that is always

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on the other side of the glass. Let

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me out of the room. There you go.

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Alright, Gigi. Alright, Wes. Let's start with you.

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Where were you born and raised? Our standard

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question. Well, actually, standard standard answer. I was

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born in San Diego. My dad was in

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the Navy.

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And, so I was born in San Diego

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a long time ago. And, we eventually ended

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up in Norfolk, Virginia. Dad was in the

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Navy, and that's where I was raised, in

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Virginia Beach, actually, on the East Coast.

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Oh, when did you come here? Well, we,

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moved I moved

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I went to college again in San Diego,

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and one reason was I chose San Diego

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to college was it was 3,000 miles away

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from Virginia. Right. So that was the primary

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selling point. And, so I went to college

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there and

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went to the Sydney army

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back in 1969,

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'70, and '71. Wow. And then,

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went back to college, finished an engineering degree,

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and then moved to Oregon in 1977

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from San Diego.

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In '77

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to the Oregon Coast? 1977

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to Oregon City. I was working in electronics

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up in the Portland area. Portland. Yeah. And,

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so then we moved down to Brookings. My

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wife and I moved down to Brookings just

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four years ago.

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2002. Everybody moved four to five years ago.

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Yeah. Very quickly. From, like, San Diego. We

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get a lot of guests. Ray Ray Simon.

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Where were you born and raised?

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I was born in Chicago and

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grew up in the Chicago Metropolitan Area in

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a

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Naperville.

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Naperville.

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Naperville. Naperville. Naperville. Because that's where it happened

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when I get to The States. Yeah. But

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she first migrated here. That's where I think

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I met Chi Chi. No.

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Years ago.

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So

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Chicago was it, Yeah. Pretty much kicked around

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that area for a long time and then

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always wanted to live on the West Coast.

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In my mind's eye, it was always California,

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and my wife, Donna, suggested we go on,

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Donna. What's going on out there? We look

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in Oregon. We went down the coast in

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two thousand fifteen,

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stopped in Brookings, and kept coming back till

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we moved here in 2019

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or bought a house and then fully moved

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here

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in, like, 2022.

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Wow. Yeah. We're all kind of the same

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year coming from the same place. Time. And

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I gotta say these two gentlemen

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lived side by side along a beautiful stretch

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of the Brookings

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Coastline that's very, very memorable and quite nice.

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And you guys met.

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Do we wanna switch right into it? I

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think we could kinda start off and say

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a few things about you because

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did Wes, were you fully aware of this

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Cascadian event, let's say, four or five years

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ago? Have you known about it for quite

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a while? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When I

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left Virginia

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in

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when I was 19,

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my mother,

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at the time,

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told me that California was gonna break off

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and fall into the ocean. Of course, that

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was the San Andreas Fault. Yeah. So that

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was,

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when I was 19, way back when. Okay.

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So, yeah, I was aware of that, but

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I really didn't know about the Cascadia,

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fault.

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Didn't know about that until I moved to

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Oregon here. And I slowly became cognizant of

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that. But certainly when I moved here in

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Brookings, it became a little more real to

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me. Right. How about you, Ray? You're next

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door to West. Did you know anything about

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it? Almost nothing. I mean, growing up in

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the Midwest, all I could hear

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is the concept of they're gonna get a

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big earthquake. Something big is gonna happen. They're

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gonna fall into it's gonna snap in half.

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Right. You know, whatever that conversation was about.

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So no, it was never,

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never on my mind. And in the Midwest,

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you know,

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we have tornadoes,

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ice storms, things like that, but nothing. And

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so I never really looked into

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any depth

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on what the perils are out in this

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area. Now how long have people, scientists,

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the Van Pattens, other people know about that?

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Because,

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they have they have a little in the

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Harbor Harbor,

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they have a little plaque just just,

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describing the Cascanian Fault and everything. So how

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long has the whole fault thing been monitored?

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Well, probably just in the last, I would

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say, forty, fifty years Yeah. That. But but,

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of course, we still have those tree stumps

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up north of us on the coast as

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a result of the massive earthquake three hundred

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years ago

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when the, coast dropped six feet. And they

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had a huge tsunami that was actually registered

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in Japan. Remember that? Right. And,

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and, actually, I'm told I have some friends

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who live a little bit north here of

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Brookings.

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And there's a rock down right on the

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beach

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that actually the you can see the strata

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in the rocks,

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in the rock on on the face of

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the Yeah. Yeah. And you line it up.

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But it's actually curved. It's very wavy. Yeah.

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And that's result of the earthquake

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moving all that that rocks and all those

541
00:20:32,580 --> 00:20:34,980
strata and making a beautiful pattern. Oh, oh.

542
00:20:34,980 --> 00:20:37,140
Rainbow Rock is what it's called. Right? Oh,

543
00:20:37,140 --> 00:20:39,460
I wonder Rainbow Rock. From the it wasn't

544
00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:41,140
heated up and that's why No. It's just

545
00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:42,820
just a strata that formed over the over

546
00:20:42,820 --> 00:20:44,420
the time. And then when the earthquake came,

547
00:20:44,420 --> 00:20:46,054
it just mangled it and buried it in

548
00:20:46,054 --> 00:20:49,214
these, wavy patterns. Now who who are the

549
00:20:49,214 --> 00:20:52,174
Van Patten's? Who actually does those predictions and

550
00:20:52,174 --> 00:20:53,234
follows the

551
00:20:53,694 --> 00:20:54,194
activity?

552
00:20:54,494 --> 00:20:55,315
Oh, the geologists.

553
00:20:55,775 --> 00:20:57,855
It's Yeah. We have a preeminent geologist here

554
00:20:57,855 --> 00:20:59,775
in town, Bob Bush. Hey, Bob. Who is

555
00:20:59,855 --> 00:21:02,690
hey, Bob. Out there. And, he is, very,

556
00:21:03,009 --> 00:21:06,529
conversant about this area, the geology, and and,

557
00:21:06,850 --> 00:21:08,690
understands what's going on with the Cascadia Fault

558
00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:11,170
and the San Andreas Fault and very knowledgeable

559
00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:12,289
about it. I spent about a half an

560
00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:13,809
hour one time at a party talking with

561
00:21:13,809 --> 00:21:15,570
him about this. Now he's one of the

562
00:21:15,570 --> 00:21:17,954
reasons that, kind of peaked my interest in

563
00:21:17,954 --> 00:21:20,914
this whole whole question about what's gonna happen

564
00:21:20,914 --> 00:21:22,914
when we act the Cascadia Fault really occurs

565
00:21:23,154 --> 00:21:25,575
Right. With the Cascadia event. So Help us.

566
00:21:25,634 --> 00:21:28,214
Yeah. If you wanna continue with that? Embellish?

567
00:21:28,275 --> 00:21:29,815
No. Actually, I don't. No.

568
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,759
Here's here's something I gotta say because I

569
00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:33,940
what I mentioned earlier, Wes and Judy,

570
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,480
live right next to Donna and Ray, and

571
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,279
you guys live on a cliff basically overlooking

572
00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:40,880
the ocean in Brookings. I won't say where,

573
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,500
but it's a beautiful homes.

574
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:43,619
Ray,

575
00:21:45,535 --> 00:21:48,115
you said you kinda knew about these issues.

576
00:21:48,174 --> 00:21:49,235
When you came out here,

577
00:21:49,695 --> 00:21:51,855
you would have never moved right on the

578
00:21:51,855 --> 00:21:54,494
coast, but you are perched on a cliff

579
00:21:54,494 --> 00:21:56,735
right off the ocean. Yeah. So it it

580
00:21:57,055 --> 00:21:59,555
this is an interesting conversation because

581
00:22:00,869 --> 00:22:02,789
like I said, living in the Midwest, this

582
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:05,029
is just a background piece of information. It's

583
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:05,529
not

584
00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:07,369
foremost in your head.

585
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:10,150
And so I said the first time I

586
00:22:10,150 --> 00:22:13,369
came here was '15, and then in 2017

587
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:15,609
was the fourth time I visited Brookings,

588
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:17,424
and I was gonna stay a month,

589
00:22:17,805 --> 00:22:18,305
and

590
00:22:18,684 --> 00:22:21,025
the Checo Bar fire occurred.

591
00:22:22,285 --> 00:22:24,525
And the Checo Bar fire was just, I

592
00:22:24,525 --> 00:22:25,904
guess, something that was

593
00:22:26,285 --> 00:22:26,785
simmering.

594
00:22:27,164 --> 00:22:29,244
It was out there. Some people knew about

595
00:22:29,244 --> 00:22:29,640
it.

596
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,740
And it got to a point

597
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:32,619
where

598
00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:36,039
it potentially could have burned the city down.

599
00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:37,720
Yeah. So that was a wildfire. Right? The

600
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,579
the mountain It was a wildfire. Massive

601
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:43,480
spread Mhmm. In the mountainous areas in in

602
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,220
the wilderness.

603
00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:45,694
Yeah. And

604
00:22:45,994 --> 00:22:47,674
for me, I didn't know a lot of

605
00:22:47,674 --> 00:22:49,515
people around here, and you could hear I

606
00:22:49,515 --> 00:22:51,214
could hear people talk about it.

607
00:22:52,234 --> 00:22:54,474
There were some warnings, and then it got

608
00:22:54,474 --> 00:22:56,095
to be a major problem.

609
00:22:56,794 --> 00:22:57,294
And

610
00:22:59,609 --> 00:23:02,250
to the point where I'm going to schools

611
00:23:02,250 --> 00:23:04,109
where they're having emergency meetings,

612
00:23:04,809 --> 00:23:05,549
I'm seeing

613
00:23:06,250 --> 00:23:06,910
up to

614
00:23:07,450 --> 00:23:08,990
under a thousand firefighters

615
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:10,349
brought in

616
00:23:10,809 --> 00:23:13,230
Right. Across the country. Now this isn't

617
00:23:13,705 --> 00:23:16,945
earthquake, obviously. It's not Right. Tsunami. Is it

618
00:23:16,945 --> 00:23:18,345
a big fire alarm? It's a thing that

619
00:23:18,345 --> 00:23:19,805
had been going on for

620
00:23:20,105 --> 00:23:21,644
multi month multiple months.

621
00:23:22,505 --> 00:23:23,644
And what I learned

622
00:23:24,025 --> 00:23:26,605
was that our town was under grave danger,

623
00:23:26,899 --> 00:23:29,159
and they brought a commander to

624
00:23:29,619 --> 00:23:31,220
the top of the command post to be

625
00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:33,319
in charge. I believe he was from Boston.

626
00:23:33,619 --> 00:23:35,380
And at the schools, he just said, If

627
00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:37,779
the winds change and this Chetco effect, and

628
00:23:37,779 --> 00:23:39,859
I'm like, What? Chetco effect? That's the first

629
00:23:39,859 --> 00:23:41,460
time you heard about it. Wow. It's this

630
00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:44,484
thing, right? And he explains it, and he

631
00:23:44,484 --> 00:23:46,744
said if it happens this weekend again,

632
00:23:47,125 --> 00:23:48,724
the spread will bring it all the way

633
00:23:48,724 --> 00:23:49,945
through the city streets.

634
00:23:50,404 --> 00:23:52,484
He goes, I'm feeling pretty 80 much like

635
00:23:52,484 --> 00:23:53,705
80% confident.

636
00:23:54,484 --> 00:23:54,984
Well,

637
00:23:55,399 --> 00:23:57,159
I'm sitting there going, Wow, how are we

638
00:23:57,159 --> 00:23:58,440
gonna get out of here? So I felt

639
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:58,940
kinda

640
00:23:59,319 --> 00:23:59,819
helpless,

641
00:24:01,399 --> 00:24:02,859
scared a bit, concerned.

642
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,779
Right? I'm gathering information.

643
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,099
And so

644
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,720
this had gravity to it. This is something

645
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:10,539
that really,

646
00:24:11,424 --> 00:24:13,205
stuck in my head. So now

647
00:24:14,545 --> 00:24:15,984
to me, it kind of goes away. I

648
00:24:15,984 --> 00:24:17,664
get to go back to Illinois. I'm going

649
00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:19,664
back and forth every few months. Just before

650
00:24:19,664 --> 00:24:21,424
you bought your house? Yeah. Okay. So I

651
00:24:21,424 --> 00:24:24,065
come back here and there's no more Chuck

652
00:24:24,065 --> 00:24:26,164
O'Barr fire. And if it is, it's

653
00:24:27,369 --> 00:24:28,589
it's being put out, smoldering.

654
00:24:30,089 --> 00:24:31,710
So now, like most people,

655
00:24:32,009 --> 00:24:33,849
this goes into the back of my head,

656
00:24:33,849 --> 00:24:36,809
right? It recedes in importance. Like, okay. So

657
00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:38,329
I do a little research and I go,

658
00:24:38,329 --> 00:24:40,349
Yeah, I wonder how often this

659
00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:41,150
happens.

660
00:24:42,644 --> 00:24:44,484
And I go back to 2002,

661
00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:46,505
and there was something called the Biscuit Fire.

662
00:24:46,804 --> 00:24:49,125
So anyhow, I go, you know, this doesn't

663
00:24:49,125 --> 00:24:51,684
happen that often. Well, 2023,

664
00:24:51,684 --> 00:24:53,684
we had another fire not of the same

665
00:24:53,684 --> 00:24:54,184
magnitude.

666
00:24:54,884 --> 00:24:57,359
Right? But essentially, for someone like me,

667
00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:00,240
this disappears. I'm busy. I'm from a city.

668
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,640
There's always things happening. Right. Out of sight,

669
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,079
out of mind. Yeah. So what do I

670
00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:06,500
do? I go buy a house in 2019.

671
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:07,059
Yeah.

672
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:09,679
Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And, of course, we had

673
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:11,944
the Crescent City big fire two years ago.

674
00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:13,704
That was Yeah. That was that the part

675
00:25:13,704 --> 00:25:14,764
of the Flat Fire?

676
00:25:15,304 --> 00:25:16,744
No. That was a separate fire. This is

677
00:25:16,744 --> 00:25:18,744
one where we went to the the Crescent

678
00:25:18,744 --> 00:25:20,345
City where you guys were okay up here,

679
00:25:20,345 --> 00:25:22,365
but it shut down. We didn't have power

680
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:25,150
We didn't have power. Yeah. And they had

681
00:25:25,529 --> 00:25:27,849
and they had all these volunteers or police

682
00:25:27,849 --> 00:25:29,730
people and everybody. They had checked the bar.

683
00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:30,430
It's amazing.

684
00:25:31,369 --> 00:25:34,009
And over the for everyone nationwide. Now if

685
00:25:34,009 --> 00:25:36,250
you when we were thinking, what if the

686
00:25:36,250 --> 00:25:38,304
fire comes? We could see it. Obviously, it

687
00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:40,005
was really, really close to sea.

688
00:25:40,464 --> 00:25:42,625
Where can you go? There's only three roads

689
00:25:42,625 --> 00:25:44,464
away. Right? One to the north, one to

690
00:25:44,464 --> 00:25:46,944
the south, and one into the mountains. So,

691
00:25:46,944 --> 00:25:50,065
yeah, if something happens Yeah. It and so

692
00:25:50,065 --> 00:25:51,204
that was a different

693
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,419
emergency. Right? It wasn't like the sudden thing.

694
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,720
Right. And it's still And me being here

695
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,359
for a month, it occupied probably three weeks

696
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,759
of my thinking. So it did have me

697
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:06,119
think and look into what else could happen

698
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:06,619
here.

699
00:26:06,964 --> 00:26:08,565
Yeah. And that's fine. So that was the

700
00:26:08,565 --> 00:26:10,884
beginning of the gravity of this thing for

701
00:26:10,884 --> 00:26:12,565
me. K. When did you two put your

702
00:26:12,565 --> 00:26:14,664
heads together? Were you at a party? Because

703
00:26:14,805 --> 00:26:17,605
you're literally next door neighbors. We're drinking wine,

704
00:26:17,605 --> 00:26:20,019
doc. Great. Drinking wine. Actually, we had attended

705
00:26:20,019 --> 00:26:20,340
a,

706
00:26:21,140 --> 00:26:22,759
a seminar put on by

707
00:26:23,140 --> 00:26:25,799
the Curry County emergency coordination

708
00:26:26,420 --> 00:26:27,240
fellow here,

709
00:26:27,619 --> 00:26:28,840
works for this county.

710
00:26:29,299 --> 00:26:30,440
And, he described,

711
00:26:31,299 --> 00:26:31,799
the

712
00:26:32,384 --> 00:26:35,105
reaction to the tsunami alert we had last

713
00:26:35,105 --> 00:26:36,505
spring. You may remember the Yeah. Talk about

714
00:26:36,505 --> 00:26:37,285
that. Yeah.

715
00:26:38,224 --> 00:26:39,664
Well, we had an earthquake Uh-huh.

716
00:26:40,384 --> 00:26:43,184
Down off of the coast of Eureka Mhmm.

717
00:26:43,265 --> 00:26:45,505
And it triggered the tsunami alert. A seven.

718
00:26:45,505 --> 00:26:47,265
Right? It was a seven. Something like that.

719
00:26:47,265 --> 00:26:49,650
Yeah. And the big, siren down there in

720
00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:51,210
harbor, you know, blasting. You could probably hear

721
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:52,690
it all as a town. It's scary. Right?

722
00:26:52,690 --> 00:26:53,730
And it went for, like, twenty minutes. I

723
00:26:53,730 --> 00:26:55,730
can't imagine living underneath that thing for twenty

724
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:58,130
minutes as it was blasting. But nonetheless, I

725
00:26:58,130 --> 00:27:00,690
heard it. And, I so I said, okay.

726
00:27:00,690 --> 00:27:02,309
You know, it's time to do something.

727
00:27:04,005 --> 00:27:04,664
What are

728
00:27:05,365 --> 00:27:06,804
you? What, what do you do? And I

729
00:27:06,804 --> 00:27:08,565
had no clue and I walked out of

730
00:27:08,565 --> 00:27:10,404
the house and I'm thinking, I hear the

731
00:27:10,404 --> 00:27:12,085
siren. What am I supposed to do here?

732
00:27:12,085 --> 00:27:14,884
What is this? So, so we attended a,

733
00:27:14,884 --> 00:27:16,829
a, session put on by this, this,

734
00:27:17,309 --> 00:27:19,730
emergency coordinator, here in New York County.

735
00:27:20,109 --> 00:27:22,130
And, he described the county,

736
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:25,149
response to that. And I won't get into

737
00:27:25,149 --> 00:27:27,169
the details, but it was dismal, absolutely

738
00:27:27,630 --> 00:27:28,130
dismal.

739
00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:30,429
And, when Ray and I both attended this

740
00:27:30,429 --> 00:27:31,869
seminar, as well as a couple other people

741
00:27:31,869 --> 00:27:33,765
here at the radio station attended it and

742
00:27:33,765 --> 00:27:35,605
others as well. And we walked out and

743
00:27:35,605 --> 00:27:37,045
we were talking afterwards and I came in

744
00:27:37,045 --> 00:27:38,085
and Ray and I both came to the

745
00:27:38,085 --> 00:27:39,465
conclusion that we're screwed.

746
00:27:40,884 --> 00:27:42,485
There's no, there's not gonna be any help

747
00:27:42,485 --> 00:27:44,805
at all from the, from the government officials,

748
00:27:44,805 --> 00:27:47,289
the city, the county, nobody. If this thing

749
00:27:47,289 --> 00:27:49,789
happens, if a serious tsunami or earthquake occurs,

750
00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:51,769
what are we gonna do? So that's when

751
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:54,009
Ray and I started talking about, well, it's

752
00:27:54,009 --> 00:27:56,570
an individual effort here. I mean, virtually every

753
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:57,789
man for himself, basically.

754
00:27:58,170 --> 00:27:59,369
And the way I look at it is,

755
00:27:59,369 --> 00:28:01,630
if you see a serious earthquake occur

756
00:28:01,945 --> 00:28:04,424
and a disaster in this area, the emergency

757
00:28:04,424 --> 00:28:05,945
people are not gonna be lined up like

758
00:28:05,945 --> 00:28:07,945
they were for the fires. Right. With plenty

759
00:28:07,945 --> 00:28:09,305
of time to come up and come in

760
00:28:09,305 --> 00:28:10,664
from all of the time. Time to get

761
00:28:10,664 --> 00:28:12,265
organized on. They're gonna be home taking care

762
00:28:12,265 --> 00:28:13,865
of their own families, which I don't blame

763
00:28:13,865 --> 00:28:16,184
them a bit. So what happens to the

764
00:28:16,184 --> 00:28:18,049
rest of us? Well, you're on your own.

765
00:28:18,190 --> 00:28:19,950
And, Ray and I started talking about, well,

766
00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:21,069
how can we, you know, what can we

767
00:28:21,069 --> 00:28:22,589
do about that? So we came up with

768
00:28:22,589 --> 00:28:23,809
this idea of helping

769
00:28:24,109 --> 00:28:25,169
the local area,

770
00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:27,890
Brookings and and the entire coastal communities,

771
00:28:28,509 --> 00:28:29,924
to prepare in advance

772
00:28:30,325 --> 00:28:32,325
for this and get cognizant of what the

773
00:28:32,325 --> 00:28:33,065
problem is

774
00:28:33,445 --> 00:28:35,605
and start to do things that can prepare

775
00:28:35,605 --> 00:28:37,465
them to deal with such a situation.

776
00:28:38,085 --> 00:28:40,325
Wow. Yeah. So that that meeting that Wes

777
00:28:40,325 --> 00:28:42,325
talks about, that was strike two for me.

778
00:28:42,325 --> 00:28:43,740
Strike one was the fire

779
00:28:44,299 --> 00:28:46,859
To recognize that there's only a handful of

780
00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:47,679
people here

781
00:28:48,299 --> 00:28:49,200
that can help.

782
00:28:49,579 --> 00:28:51,980
Yeah. And to get that many federal people

783
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:54,859
here was just amazing to see. But then

784
00:28:54,859 --> 00:28:57,920
to hear people actually in a government entity

785
00:28:58,460 --> 00:29:01,144
with jobs to talk about this,

786
00:29:01,684 --> 00:29:04,404
it was dismal. There was nothing that could

787
00:29:04,404 --> 00:29:06,085
help. So that was strike two for me

788
00:29:06,085 --> 00:29:06,825
to say,

789
00:29:07,365 --> 00:29:09,764
Yeah, this is an individual effort. I think

790
00:29:09,764 --> 00:29:11,764
about the bridges you pass over, some you

791
00:29:11,764 --> 00:29:13,900
don't even know. Every little Yeah. Every little

792
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:15,660
chasm we pass is going up and down

793
00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:18,059
that coast have bridges and those get knocked

794
00:29:18,059 --> 00:29:19,980
down. Where do we go? Alright. Time flies

795
00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:21,820
when you were having fun. It's already that

796
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:23,500
mid break time here on the Doc and

797
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:26,695
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798
00:29:26,914 --> 00:29:29,894
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799
00:29:30,275 --> 00:29:30,775
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800
00:29:31,075 --> 00:29:32,375
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801
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802
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804
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805
00:29:43,019 --> 00:29:45,820
thank Michelle Buford. Hello, Michelle, with our own

806
00:29:45,820 --> 00:29:48,320
vibrant local Curry County Chamber of Commerce.

807
00:29:48,779 --> 00:29:50,539
Nick and Lisa Rael, hello to you, and

808
00:29:50,539 --> 00:29:53,214
your PPA or your partnership with the performing

809
00:29:53,214 --> 00:29:55,474
arts. Thank you for your support. And lastly,

810
00:29:55,535 --> 00:29:57,934
my dear co host doctor Gigi Reed and

811
00:29:57,934 --> 00:30:00,595
yours truly, Jacques. On behalf of KCIW,

812
00:30:01,134 --> 00:30:03,615
thanks to all of you. We're gonna go

813
00:30:03,615 --> 00:30:05,294
into this and run this for the next

814
00:30:05,294 --> 00:30:08,079
thirty minutes talking with you. It's fascinating. Yeah.

815
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:10,419
It's interesting. You guys know it.

816
00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:15,119
We had a little time before the show

817
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:17,359
to talk about it. You emphasized you don't

818
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,519
want to scare people. You're not here to

819
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:21,200
scare people and say, oh, he's going to

820
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,179
come and get you.

821
00:30:23,174 --> 00:30:25,734
But for the first time ever, Doctor. Gigi

822
00:30:25,734 --> 00:30:27,734
and I a few days ago in preparation

823
00:30:27,734 --> 00:30:28,554
for the show

824
00:30:29,095 --> 00:30:31,494
said, Maybe we should pack a bug out

825
00:30:31,494 --> 00:30:32,934
bag and put it in the garage or

826
00:30:32,934 --> 00:30:34,075
out in the well house

827
00:30:34,639 --> 00:30:36,159
and stock it with the things that we

828
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:36,659
need

829
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:39,200
just in case. We live a mile from

830
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,579
the coast. You guys live

831
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:43,440
100 feet from the coast. But you're up

832
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,440
top of a cliff. You're lucky. Okay. We're

833
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,179
on sand.

834
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:47,059
So

835
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:49,220
what what are we

836
00:30:49,884 --> 00:30:51,404
first tell us about that. Let's back it

837
00:30:51,404 --> 00:30:53,565
up. Let's go to Cascadia Strong Radio. Tell

838
00:30:53,565 --> 00:30:54,845
us a little bit about that, the two

839
00:30:54,845 --> 00:30:57,085
of you, and what your intent is of

840
00:30:57,085 --> 00:30:59,244
what you wanna do with this new radio

841
00:30:59,244 --> 00:31:01,025
show that will be aired here on KCOW.

842
00:31:01,660 --> 00:31:03,579
Well, Cascadia Strong Radio is gonna be a

843
00:31:03,579 --> 00:31:04,559
half hour show

844
00:31:05,180 --> 00:31:05,500
and,

845
00:31:06,059 --> 00:31:08,380
with Ray and I involved. And the idea

846
00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:09,039
is to,

847
00:31:09,579 --> 00:31:10,859
help people get our

848
00:31:12,059 --> 00:31:14,000
get a handle on what what we're facing.

849
00:31:14,299 --> 00:31:16,319
You know, it's it's it's a major opportunity

850
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:17,039
for fear.

851
00:31:17,394 --> 00:31:18,755
But, you know, the more you know about

852
00:31:18,755 --> 00:31:20,835
something and the more you understand it and

853
00:31:20,835 --> 00:31:21,954
the more you've,

854
00:31:22,275 --> 00:31:24,434
taken steps to cope with it, the fear

855
00:31:24,434 --> 00:31:24,934
dissipates.

856
00:31:25,394 --> 00:31:28,515
So you prepare yourself mentally, you prepare yourself

857
00:31:28,515 --> 00:31:30,355
for your go bags and other sorts of

858
00:31:30,355 --> 00:31:31,734
things you might put in place

859
00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:34,940
And the fear dissipates. Okay? Now, I feel

860
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:37,900
confident. I feel ready. My family and I

861
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:40,319
have a plan. We've got things in place.

862
00:31:40,619 --> 00:31:42,380
We know what to do. When the siren

863
00:31:42,380 --> 00:31:43,579
goes off, you just don't walk out and

864
00:31:43,579 --> 00:31:45,179
go, what do I do now? You know,

865
00:31:45,179 --> 00:31:45,839
you start

866
00:31:46,454 --> 00:31:49,174
taking action. And that's really what Cascadia Strong

867
00:31:49,174 --> 00:31:51,255
Radio is all about. How can you start?

868
00:31:51,255 --> 00:31:53,575
Now, the situation may be so huge, you

869
00:31:53,575 --> 00:31:55,335
go, golly, you know, I can't deal with

870
00:31:55,335 --> 00:31:57,255
this. What I don't even know where to

871
00:31:57,255 --> 00:31:58,694
start. Well, that's what we're we're here to

872
00:31:58,694 --> 00:32:00,849
do. Start with one step at a time.

873
00:32:00,849 --> 00:32:03,570
Now Ray has an outstanding approach. He says,

874
00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:05,809
every month, I have something. I try to

875
00:32:05,809 --> 00:32:08,210
make one step forward every month. Just designate

876
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:09,890
one day every month and take one step

877
00:32:09,890 --> 00:32:11,904
forward on this plan. Well, you do that

878
00:32:11,904 --> 00:32:13,424
enough times and pretty soon you've got something

879
00:32:13,424 --> 00:32:15,345
in place that is pretty reasonable. Okay. Wait

880
00:32:15,345 --> 00:32:16,785
a minute. Ray, what do you mean? What

881
00:32:16,785 --> 00:32:18,545
do you mean taking one step? What are

882
00:32:18,545 --> 00:32:19,125
you doing?

883
00:32:19,585 --> 00:32:21,825
So so I'm gonna back up just a

884
00:32:21,825 --> 00:32:24,805
second. So I'm your primary audience

885
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:27,599
for this radio program. So when I met

886
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:28,099
Wes

887
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,480
I'm talking to Wes every now and then

888
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,119
about this. I recognize I'm totally naive. I

889
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:34,339
don't know where to start.

890
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:35,779
It's a massive

891
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,454
thing in my head, So I don't do

892
00:32:38,454 --> 00:32:40,375
anything other than I talk to Wes and

893
00:32:40,375 --> 00:32:41,654
come home once in a while, look at

894
00:32:41,654 --> 00:32:43,034
my wife, and I go, Ah, we'll be

895
00:32:44,534 --> 00:32:45,034
screwed.

896
00:32:45,734 --> 00:32:46,634
No, so I'm screwed.

897
00:32:47,815 --> 00:32:48,315
So

898
00:32:49,095 --> 00:32:51,014
what we end up doing is I don't

899
00:32:51,014 --> 00:32:53,470
know. Wes has a lot of information I

900
00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:53,970
learned,

901
00:32:54,269 --> 00:32:56,190
and I started to whittle away at it.

902
00:32:56,190 --> 00:32:58,109
So it's really I'm gonna do something. I'm

903
00:32:58,109 --> 00:33:00,289
gonna go buy a Go Bag on eBay.

904
00:33:00,589 --> 00:33:02,750
Mhmm. Okay. I'm gonna go One step. Right?

905
00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:05,625
I'm gonna go buy those special flashlights in

906
00:33:05,625 --> 00:33:07,005
case it's You wind up.

907
00:33:07,865 --> 00:33:09,945
That's what we got off the the power

908
00:33:09,945 --> 00:33:10,445
outage.

909
00:33:11,945 --> 00:33:14,424
Instead of using my, you know, worn out

910
00:33:14,424 --> 00:33:16,285
clothing for when I'm painting outside,

911
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Those are a little ripped. I'll throw them

912
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,359
in the go bag. Right? So it's just

913
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:21,740
a little bit at a time.

914
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,820
Yeah. Or it was when

915
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:26,839
so one day I said, Wes, help me

916
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:28,200
here a little bit. And Wes gives me

917
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,960
a list of all of these things. I'm

918
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,775
like, oh, jeez. I don't even know what

919
00:33:31,775 --> 00:33:32,974
to do with all this. Well, guess what?

920
00:33:32,974 --> 00:33:34,815
It was Prime Day, right, where you get

921
00:33:34,815 --> 00:33:37,134
everything on sale. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just

922
00:33:37,134 --> 00:33:38,654
went down as listed. If it was a

923
00:33:38,654 --> 00:33:40,494
Prime Sale, I'm like, buy it. Buy it.

924
00:33:40,494 --> 00:33:42,575
Buy it. Wow. And then we get all

925
00:33:42,575 --> 00:33:43,695
the stuff. Right? And all of a sudden,

926
00:33:43,695 --> 00:33:44,974
I go to my wife Donna. I go,

927
00:33:44,974 --> 00:33:46,791
what what do I do with that? I'm

928
00:33:46,791 --> 00:33:49,364
a city guy. I'm not a outdoors guy.

929
00:33:49,364 --> 00:33:51,936
What do I do with this fancy stove

930
00:33:51,936 --> 00:33:54,509
thing? I don't even know how to start

931
00:33:54,509 --> 00:33:57,081
this. And she goes, read the direction. I

932
00:33:57,081 --> 00:34:00,297
packed 400 cans of, of canned food, but

933
00:34:00,297 --> 00:34:02,785
I forgot a can opener. What's that? I

934
00:34:02,785 --> 00:34:04,785
got this an issue. Very, very interesting. Alright.

935
00:34:04,785 --> 00:34:06,705
Keep going about the Cascadia. Just tell us

936
00:34:06,705 --> 00:34:08,144
a little bit more. We're interested. Okay. So

937
00:34:08,144 --> 00:34:10,065
what what our plan then is is to

938
00:34:10,065 --> 00:34:12,485
help people get started in a small way

939
00:34:12,704 --> 00:34:15,449
and become more knowledgeable. That's the idea. Now

940
00:34:15,449 --> 00:34:16,809
the thing of it is neither Ray nor

941
00:34:16,809 --> 00:34:18,329
I are experts in all these areas. Some

942
00:34:18,329 --> 00:34:19,769
of these areas we haven't got a clue

943
00:34:19,769 --> 00:34:21,849
ourselves in. So what we wanna do is

944
00:34:21,849 --> 00:34:23,309
we wanna reach out to the community

945
00:34:23,769 --> 00:34:25,929
to find people that are knowledgeable about some

946
00:34:25,929 --> 00:34:26,750
of these areas

947
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:28,730
and bring them into our show and interview

948
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:29,744
them just as you're interviewing us.

949
00:34:31,585 --> 00:34:32,724
Wow. Great idea. And and,

950
00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:35,445
bring coalesce a lot of expertise

951
00:34:36,625 --> 00:34:38,224
that then can be shared with with the

952
00:34:38,224 --> 00:34:38,724
greater

953
00:34:39,265 --> 00:34:41,505
the greater area. So that really also shows

954
00:34:41,505 --> 00:34:44,164
that you're on your own because you're not

955
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:46,489
special you were not a specialist. So you're

956
00:34:46,489 --> 00:34:47,469
taking it on

957
00:34:47,849 --> 00:34:48,989
yourself saying,

958
00:34:49,449 --> 00:34:52,250
well, I'll get specialist and I find out

959
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:53,929
what do we need, what is the what

960
00:34:53,929 --> 00:34:55,769
are your, you know, the the bag and

961
00:34:55,769 --> 00:34:58,250
the stove and whatnot. It's not like you

962
00:34:58,250 --> 00:35:00,324
knew it all in college. You got your

963
00:35:00,324 --> 00:35:01,864
information from other places,

964
00:35:02,164 --> 00:35:03,844
and then you're getting in touch with people

965
00:35:03,844 --> 00:35:05,525
who actually do that for a living or

966
00:35:05,525 --> 00:35:07,445
or learned it somewhere. Right? So that's And

967
00:35:07,445 --> 00:35:09,445
the next step beyond that, Gigi, is not

968
00:35:09,445 --> 00:35:11,285
only are we doing finding experts, but we're

969
00:35:11,285 --> 00:35:12,805
also talking to people who have been through

970
00:35:12,805 --> 00:35:15,130
it. Ah. Yeah. Yeah. We have people in

971
00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:17,949
town right here that have been burned out.

972
00:35:18,090 --> 00:35:19,610
They have fifteen minutes to evacuate and they

973
00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:21,309
lost their entire home. Everything.

974
00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:23,769
We have people here that experienced the the

975
00:35:23,769 --> 00:35:25,905
Northridge earthquake down in Los Angeles

976
00:35:26,385 --> 00:35:27,985
and lived through that. Yeah. And what was

977
00:35:27,985 --> 00:35:29,985
that like? We've interviewed them. Mhmm. And they'll

978
00:35:29,985 --> 00:35:31,664
be part of our show as well. K.

979
00:35:31,664 --> 00:35:33,664
So as we listen to their experience and

980
00:35:33,664 --> 00:35:34,485
what what,

981
00:35:35,585 --> 00:35:37,184
like the one woman that we talked to

982
00:35:37,184 --> 00:35:39,349
about the Northridge earthquake, she was in a

983
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:41,670
hotel and she'll relate this actually on our

984
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:43,750
show. She says that she and her she

985
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:45,429
was down there for she was in, Los

986
00:35:45,429 --> 00:35:47,210
Angeles in Northridge for a seminar

987
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:49,110
and they're staying at, like, a Hilton hotel

988
00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:51,429
or something like that. And her roommate, this

989
00:35:51,429 --> 00:35:53,190
other woman, as they're going up to their

990
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:54,534
room at night, she says, we ought to

991
00:35:54,534 --> 00:35:55,815
go see what's at the end of the

992
00:35:55,815 --> 00:35:57,414
halls just so we know where the escape

993
00:35:57,414 --> 00:35:58,315
areas are.

994
00:35:58,695 --> 00:35:59,195
And,

995
00:36:00,054 --> 00:36:01,974
and and this woman said, that you know,

996
00:36:01,974 --> 00:36:03,414
you don't need to do that. Why would

997
00:36:03,414 --> 00:36:05,355
you do that? You know, that's who cares?

998
00:36:05,494 --> 00:36:06,869
Well, they did that. Well, it turned out

999
00:36:06,869 --> 00:36:08,630
that night is when the earthquake hit, and

1000
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:10,549
they actually used those exes that they happened

1001
00:36:10,549 --> 00:36:12,469
to go see firsthand to escape from the

1002
00:36:12,469 --> 00:36:15,750
hotel. Just a fortuitous thing. So so as

1003
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:18,389
we learn from other people's experience, we kinda

1004
00:36:18,389 --> 00:36:20,170
become aware of our circumstance

1005
00:36:20,635 --> 00:36:22,315
and become aware of perhaps things we just

1006
00:36:22,315 --> 00:36:23,695
take a look at just casually

1007
00:36:24,075 --> 00:36:25,434
so we know what to do if something

1008
00:36:25,434 --> 00:36:27,755
happens. Okay. Yeah. And and if you hear

1009
00:36:27,755 --> 00:36:29,835
some of these stories that, I mean, they

1010
00:36:29,835 --> 00:36:32,474
begin with a feeling of despair. Right? That

1011
00:36:32,474 --> 00:36:35,515
something's happened it's actually happening. Mhmm. Then you

1012
00:36:35,515 --> 00:36:37,409
hear how they got through it, how they

1013
00:36:37,409 --> 00:36:39,809
survive and what they think. And what I

1014
00:36:39,809 --> 00:36:42,849
find really interesting is their go back, their

1015
00:36:42,849 --> 00:36:44,389
go around on the information.

1016
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:46,710
How are they going to

1017
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:47,589
improve

1018
00:36:47,969 --> 00:36:49,510
in case it happens again?

1019
00:36:49,969 --> 00:36:51,109
Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

1020
00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:52,425
remember I said,

1021
00:36:53,224 --> 00:36:55,224
I need to chunk this up into pieces

1022
00:36:55,224 --> 00:36:57,385
and whittle away at it. Same thing with

1023
00:36:57,385 --> 00:36:59,465
the show. I'm gonna learn a whole lot

1024
00:36:59,465 --> 00:37:01,304
by people who come on the show a

1025
00:37:01,304 --> 00:37:02,445
little at a time.

1026
00:37:03,144 --> 00:37:04,664
Mhmm. You know, I I lived through a

1027
00:37:04,664 --> 00:37:06,849
hurricane while I was I came back and

1028
00:37:06,849 --> 00:37:08,530
the house was destroyed from a hurricane. And

1029
00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:11,010
it's just Oh, jeez. It is amazing how

1030
00:37:11,010 --> 00:37:14,289
much you learn going through it. I certainly

1031
00:37:14,289 --> 00:37:16,130
don't wanna do that again, but it was

1032
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:16,630
life

1033
00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:17,590
changing.

1034
00:37:18,144 --> 00:37:18,644
And

1035
00:37:19,184 --> 00:37:21,184
I was just like that. What I I

1036
00:37:21,184 --> 00:37:22,625
stood in front of the house. I couldn't

1037
00:37:22,625 --> 00:37:24,704
even get in. I just picked up something

1038
00:37:24,704 --> 00:37:27,265
and started crying. And these and these car

1039
00:37:27,345 --> 00:37:29,045
trucks stopped and they said,

1040
00:37:29,345 --> 00:37:31,585
ma'am, we can help you. They they actually

1041
00:37:31,585 --> 00:37:33,839
drove down from Georgia and I just cried

1042
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:35,199
because, wow,

1043
00:37:35,579 --> 00:37:37,819
how many people can you know, anyway, to

1044
00:37:37,819 --> 00:37:38,719
go through that,

1045
00:37:39,099 --> 00:37:41,339
having people help, that was the first time

1046
00:37:41,339 --> 00:37:42,239
I went through.

1047
00:37:42,859 --> 00:37:43,819
Before we

1048
00:37:44,859 --> 00:37:47,019
thirty minutes before we evacuated, they say, hey,

1049
00:37:47,019 --> 00:37:49,005
we have to evacuate, get everything that you

1050
00:37:49,005 --> 00:37:50,605
need in a little box. You don't have

1051
00:37:50,605 --> 00:37:52,224
time for anything else. So

1052
00:37:52,924 --> 00:37:55,164
being a little bit more prepared, next time

1053
00:37:55,164 --> 00:37:56,864
maybe I will be, possibly.

1054
00:37:57,484 --> 00:37:59,565
With the Cascadia event, you at least you

1055
00:37:59,565 --> 00:38:01,724
have a little bit already done. Right? You

1056
00:38:01,724 --> 00:38:03,940
have been through that saying, well, maybe you

1057
00:38:04,019 --> 00:38:05,320
I can lose everything.

1058
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,599
But the biggest thing that I felt is

1059
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:09,320
somebody

1060
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:12,900
helping you, somebody being there. You're really not

1061
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:15,300
alone. And so if we are all prepared

1062
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:16,519
to a certain degree

1063
00:38:17,135 --> 00:38:19,135
and learn how to we we can help

1064
00:38:19,135 --> 00:38:20,974
each other, you know, pull each other up

1065
00:38:20,974 --> 00:38:21,795
on the shoestrings.

1066
00:38:22,175 --> 00:38:23,934
I like the idea That's true. Of you

1067
00:38:23,934 --> 00:38:26,655
taking guests that have survived some Yeah. Other

1068
00:38:26,655 --> 00:38:27,795
disasters and

1069
00:38:28,175 --> 00:38:29,934
you're learning from them. Yeah. It's a half

1070
00:38:29,934 --> 00:38:32,989
hour show? Yes. Half hour show. That's correct.

1071
00:38:32,989 --> 00:38:34,750
Yeah. So if you have to put in

1072
00:38:34,750 --> 00:38:35,409
a nutshell

1073
00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:38,769
to, you know, to to favorize

1074
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:41,550
up your for your show, your BOLTA show

1075
00:38:41,550 --> 00:38:44,210
is what can we do to prepare ourselves?

1076
00:38:44,349 --> 00:38:46,050
Mhmm. Mhmm. Well,

1077
00:38:46,755 --> 00:38:48,434
be aware of what the situation is gonna

1078
00:38:48,434 --> 00:38:49,795
be. Know what it is. Know what it

1079
00:38:49,795 --> 00:38:51,554
is. What are you dealing with here? And

1080
00:38:51,554 --> 00:38:53,795
earthquakes are different than tsunamis, which are different

1081
00:38:53,795 --> 00:38:56,034
than fires, which are different than smoke, which

1082
00:38:56,034 --> 00:38:57,875
are different than heat, with all these other

1083
00:38:57,875 --> 00:39:00,099
things. We're gonna address all those. But, you

1084
00:39:00,099 --> 00:39:02,760
know, what we've done here with Cascadia Strong

1085
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:04,579
is we put together a list of episodes.

1086
00:39:04,579 --> 00:39:07,380
We've got about 35 episodes defined right now.

1087
00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:07,880
Woah.

1088
00:39:08,179 --> 00:39:09,859
Because we started poking at this. This just

1089
00:39:09,859 --> 00:39:11,699
became a Pandora's box. I mean, every time

1090
00:39:11,699 --> 00:39:13,059
you poked it, it's like the tar baby.

1091
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:14,965
Right? You poke it, you just you find

1092
00:39:14,965 --> 00:39:17,925
somebody else to poke. And so the the

1093
00:39:17,925 --> 00:39:19,844
topics are just amazing. I would have never

1094
00:39:19,844 --> 00:39:21,625
thought about these things. For example,

1095
00:39:23,204 --> 00:39:25,925
well, first off, there's several organizations already actively

1096
00:39:25,925 --> 00:39:27,065
at work for years

1097
00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:29,659
in the in the coastal areas. Mhmm. And

1098
00:39:29,659 --> 00:39:31,179
we're gonna be interviewing the people that are

1099
00:39:31,179 --> 00:39:33,500
running those things. Like who? Well, for instance,

1100
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,019
the, let's see. I have a list of

1101
00:39:35,019 --> 00:39:35,900
them right here. The,

1102
00:39:38,059 --> 00:39:41,114
Cascadia Coastal Coalition as an example. Wow. Okay.

1103
00:39:41,195 --> 00:39:43,675
And there's the Curry County Community Organizations Active

1104
00:39:43,675 --> 00:39:44,414
in Disaster

1105
00:39:44,715 --> 00:39:46,255
Organization. Wow. The CCCOAD,

1106
00:39:46,954 --> 00:39:48,974
as as they're called. The other one, Cascadia

1107
00:39:49,034 --> 00:39:50,335
Coastal Coalition, CCC.

1108
00:39:51,034 --> 00:39:52,795
We'll be talking to the the people who

1109
00:39:52,795 --> 00:39:54,809
run those. You've got the Red Cross.

1110
00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:56,890
They're very active in this sort of thing.

1111
00:39:56,890 --> 00:39:58,329
The interesting thing I learned about the Red

1112
00:39:58,329 --> 00:40:00,170
Cross, which we'll cover again when we talk

1113
00:40:00,170 --> 00:40:02,250
to them, is that they have a service

1114
00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:03,930
whereby you can find your loved ones when

1115
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:04,910
you become separated.

1116
00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:07,769
I know that. Wow. So, you know, you

1117
00:40:08,324 --> 00:40:10,085
and that's one issue that if You're right.

1118
00:40:10,085 --> 00:40:12,085
Right. If the quake or something strikes here,

1119
00:40:12,085 --> 00:40:14,085
your kids are at school. Yeah. Your wife's

1120
00:40:14,085 --> 00:40:16,085
out doing this. You're out doing that. How

1121
00:40:16,085 --> 00:40:17,684
do you get together? That's part of the

1122
00:40:17,684 --> 00:40:19,445
plan you put in place. Oh. If something

1123
00:40:19,445 --> 00:40:20,769
asks, where are we gonna meet? How are

1124
00:40:20,769 --> 00:40:22,530
we gonna do this? And you practice. You

1125
00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:24,289
rehearse it. You know, that sort of thing.

1126
00:40:24,289 --> 00:40:26,289
So there's there's the organizations that are actually

1127
00:40:26,289 --> 00:40:27,430
doing something now.

1128
00:40:28,369 --> 00:40:30,369
Excuse me. Goosebumps takes you to your point.

1129
00:40:30,369 --> 00:40:31,349
It does. It does.

1130
00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:33,170
So you put together a plan. You know,

1131
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:34,369
that that's the one thing we're gonna talk

1132
00:40:34,369 --> 00:40:36,355
about, a disaster plan for the family. Take

1133
00:40:36,355 --> 00:40:37,875
care of your family, your kids, your wife,

1134
00:40:37,875 --> 00:40:40,275
your yourself, your even your pets. You know,

1135
00:40:40,275 --> 00:40:41,795
what are you gonna do? So how do

1136
00:40:41,795 --> 00:40:42,994
you do that? So we'll be talking to

1137
00:40:42,994 --> 00:40:44,994
people about how to develop a plan, and

1138
00:40:44,994 --> 00:40:46,215
then rehearse that plan

1139
00:40:46,675 --> 00:40:48,914
to practice it so the kids know how

1140
00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:50,675
this thing works. Right? How you know how

1141
00:40:50,675 --> 00:40:53,530
it works. Mental resilience, and there's a you

1142
00:40:53,530 --> 00:40:54,969
touched on that a moment ago with your

1143
00:40:54,969 --> 00:40:55,469
PTSD.

1144
00:40:56,010 --> 00:40:58,489
How can you become mentally strong to deal

1145
00:40:58,489 --> 00:41:00,329
with these situations when they arise? You just

1146
00:41:00,329 --> 00:41:01,309
don't fall apart.

1147
00:41:01,929 --> 00:41:03,150
That'll be a session.

1148
00:41:03,449 --> 00:41:05,724
Putting together your go bag, That's a key

1149
00:41:05,724 --> 00:41:07,324
thing. Yeah. And there's a lot of information

1150
00:41:07,324 --> 00:41:09,484
I can do that today. Right? Yep. What

1151
00:41:09,484 --> 00:41:10,764
what do I have in it? You know?

1152
00:41:10,764 --> 00:41:12,364
Yeah. There's a variety of things that she

1153
00:41:12,364 --> 00:41:13,965
should have in it. What about when the

1154
00:41:13,965 --> 00:41:16,284
go bag's not enough? You know? Okay. You've

1155
00:41:16,284 --> 00:41:18,125
got a tsunami or an earthquake. Well, that's

1156
00:41:18,125 --> 00:41:19,244
not over in an hour or two. I

1157
00:41:19,244 --> 00:41:21,480
mean, certainly when, you know, the San Andreas

1158
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,640
movie, right, with, with The Rock, you know,

1159
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,719
The San Andreas falls open in half an

1160
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,239
hour and there's a movie ever after than

1161
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,119
what. Right? Yeah. Right. Rock saves the, the

1162
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,280
kids and the girls and He's skiing along

1163
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,640
and both. Oh, so But, you know, when

1164
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,079
we live through this, it's gonna be here

1165
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:36,894
for months. It's gonna be here for months.

1166
00:41:36,894 --> 00:41:38,815
Yeah. So what happens then? What happens in

1167
00:41:38,815 --> 00:41:41,135
the aftermath? What's available to us? So we'll

1168
00:41:41,135 --> 00:41:42,574
be talking to businesses. What have you done

1169
00:41:42,574 --> 00:41:45,054
to prepare for this? That you you can

1170
00:41:45,054 --> 00:41:46,414
help take care of the people that are

1171
00:41:46,414 --> 00:41:48,494
left here? Because as you said earlier, the

1172
00:41:48,494 --> 00:41:50,655
bridges are gonna be down. We're isolated here

1173
00:41:50,655 --> 00:41:51,315
in Bronx.

1174
00:41:51,789 --> 00:41:53,309
And who knows how you know, FEMA's not

1175
00:41:53,309 --> 00:41:54,750
gonna be jumping in Brookings to take care

1176
00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:56,269
of us right off the bat. Right. Absolutely

1177
00:41:56,269 --> 00:41:57,469
not. And how are they gonna get in

1178
00:41:57,469 --> 00:41:59,230
other than flying in? But, yeah, I'm right.

1179
00:41:59,230 --> 00:42:01,069
Exactly right. Our bridges are gonna be the

1180
00:42:01,069 --> 00:42:02,109
light bulb. They're gonna be gone? They're gonna

1181
00:42:02,109 --> 00:42:02,750
be destroyed.

1182
00:42:03,069 --> 00:42:04,750
So what else should we have, you know,

1183
00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:06,515
beyond the go bag? Mhmm. And how do

1184
00:42:06,515 --> 00:42:07,414
you deal with that?

1185
00:42:08,275 --> 00:42:08,994
That's something.

1186
00:42:09,394 --> 00:42:11,715
Power outages, power's gonna be gone. Oh, definitely.

1187
00:42:11,715 --> 00:42:13,315
Yeah. Our main power line comes right down

1188
00:42:13,315 --> 00:42:15,094
the coast from from Coos Bay.

1189
00:42:15,474 --> 00:42:18,055
It goes through the tsunami zones. Our substations

1190
00:42:18,114 --> 00:42:20,030
are in the tsunami zone. Yeah.

1191
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:22,670
So Our power line came down from Medford,

1192
00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:24,269
and that that's where the burns were. You

1193
00:42:24,269 --> 00:42:25,550
you know, it was it's burned in there.

1194
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:27,070
A few years ago. That's right. That's where

1195
00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:29,789
Octasound were too busy. Didn't have power. Uh-huh.

1196
00:42:29,789 --> 00:42:31,389
So you don't have power? Yeah. How do

1197
00:42:31,389 --> 00:42:32,510
you deal with that, and what can you

1198
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:34,454
do to like your cell phones? Maybe you

1199
00:42:34,454 --> 00:42:36,375
have some sort of medical device that requires

1200
00:42:36,375 --> 00:42:36,875
electricity.

1201
00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:39,015
How are you gonna provide power for that?

1202
00:42:39,015 --> 00:42:40,635
So we were talking about that.

1203
00:42:41,255 --> 00:42:41,755
Water.

1204
00:42:42,295 --> 00:42:44,295
The the water lines go underneath under the

1205
00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:46,469
ground. Big wood. Well, as the ground buckles,

1206
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:47,429
all the water lines will go down. Guess

1207
00:42:47,429 --> 00:42:49,670
what? Yeah. Our we had a, we had

1208
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:51,050
during this big disaster,

1209
00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:53,829
our, they cut off all the water. So

1210
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:55,510
they couldn't get any water in in Crescent

1211
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:56,010
City.

1212
00:42:56,469 --> 00:42:58,010
And but, hey, we

1213
00:42:58,309 --> 00:43:00,675
were smart. We had a well. Oh, we

1214
00:43:00,675 --> 00:43:02,835
were proud of you. Problem was it was

1215
00:43:02,835 --> 00:43:05,075
an electric pump that pumps it from the

1216
00:43:05,075 --> 00:43:06,994
well to the house. So we had no

1217
00:43:06,994 --> 00:43:07,494
water.

1218
00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:09,795
Mhmm. And that was a a a real,

1219
00:43:10,595 --> 00:43:12,355
that was a real wake up. So he

1220
00:43:12,355 --> 00:43:14,650
actually went he drove the car back and

1221
00:43:14,650 --> 00:43:16,510
he had this big old container and he

1222
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:18,170
siphoned up the water and let it Yeah.

1223
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:19,610
The big phone packed out. So he packed

1224
00:43:19,610 --> 00:43:21,609
this right. But we had no way Yeah.

1225
00:43:21,609 --> 00:43:24,010
We Yeah. Then we And and some of

1226
00:43:24,010 --> 00:43:27,050
these have, you know, they're significant magnitude. They're

1227
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:29,315
simple things. Someone from out of town like

1228
00:43:29,315 --> 00:43:30,994
me. Right? I come from a different area

1229
00:43:30,994 --> 00:43:31,655
of the country.

1230
00:43:32,034 --> 00:43:34,034
Where do I even go? Let's say I

1231
00:43:34,034 --> 00:43:36,114
could get in my car. I never thought

1232
00:43:36,114 --> 00:43:38,674
of a plan that maps out. Yeah. Or

1233
00:43:38,674 --> 00:43:40,594
Donna and my wife, here, we're gonna meet

1234
00:43:40,594 --> 00:43:42,679
here. I'm gonna bring the car. Something as

1235
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:45,319
simple as that. Mhmm. Never even never even

1236
00:43:45,319 --> 00:43:46,920
thought of things like that. Yeah. There's a

1237
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,760
search and rescue people. Okay? This is a

1238
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,199
great lesson. We know a good friend of

1239
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:52,539
ours is a search and rescue volunteer.

1240
00:43:53,755 --> 00:43:55,594
And I said, I said, are you always

1241
00:43:55,914 --> 00:43:57,755
we need so many people to be trained

1242
00:43:57,755 --> 00:43:59,755
in the basic search and rescue, you know,

1243
00:43:59,755 --> 00:44:01,594
that could go out there and survive for

1244
00:44:01,594 --> 00:44:02,974
hours if not days

1245
00:44:03,355 --> 00:44:05,675
and helping someone else. But she says, we're

1246
00:44:05,675 --> 00:44:07,454
all volunteers and in a big event,

1247
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,640
we're gonna be our families come first. You

1248
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,480
referred to that earlier. Yeah. She said, I

1249
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,599
thought I'm really I'm not obligated to they

1250
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:15,579
don't pay me anything.

1251
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,800
If my family needs me, I'm with my

1252
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,360
family. Absolutely. And then talk about something, a

1253
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,900
disaster, possibly an earthquake,

1254
00:44:22,204 --> 00:44:23,324
big earthquake with,

1255
00:44:23,804 --> 00:44:26,045
with all the damage that that does, the

1256
00:44:26,045 --> 00:44:26,545
liquefaction,

1257
00:44:26,925 --> 00:44:28,864
and then that and possibly the

1258
00:44:29,485 --> 00:44:32,045
the volcano going, the tsunamis, it goes on

1259
00:44:32,045 --> 00:44:33,485
and on and on. And this is a

1260
00:44:33,485 --> 00:44:37,070
huge swath of our coast. Mhmm. Huge swath.

1261
00:44:37,289 --> 00:44:37,690
Mhmm.

1262
00:44:38,329 --> 00:44:39,390
Wow. I just

1263
00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:41,610
there has to be we have to become

1264
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:43,369
more aware. I did not know anything about

1265
00:44:43,369 --> 00:44:44,670
the Cascadia Subduction

1266
00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:46,670
Zone until I met you two.

1267
00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:49,610
Wes, what kind of maybe hit a couple

1268
00:44:49,610 --> 00:44:51,230
more episodes that we're gonna

1269
00:44:51,605 --> 00:44:53,364
Well, yeah. Some of the other episodes that

1270
00:44:53,364 --> 00:44:54,984
we will be covering are,

1271
00:44:56,644 --> 00:44:57,864
what do you do for communications?

1272
00:44:58,644 --> 00:45:00,565
Your cell phones? Right. The cell phone towers

1273
00:45:00,565 --> 00:45:02,324
are down? Or if you don't have power,

1274
00:45:02,324 --> 00:45:04,244
maybe your battery goes dead after a while?

1275
00:45:04,244 --> 00:45:06,724
What do you You can't get gas because

1276
00:45:06,724 --> 00:45:09,539
the gas stations don't yeah. Fuel? Because the

1277
00:45:09,539 --> 00:45:11,940
gas stations don't work? You're right. We just

1278
00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:13,699
go down to the ATM and withdraw You

1279
00:45:13,699 --> 00:45:15,940
can't do that. Your money's gonna be frozen.

1280
00:45:16,019 --> 00:45:18,500
Long? Yeah. Well, yeah. I learned from Wes

1281
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:20,920
even that I can go buy small cubes

1282
00:45:21,675 --> 00:45:23,055
that are solar powered

1283
00:45:23,755 --> 00:45:24,875
that can sell my

1284
00:45:25,434 --> 00:45:28,074
or charge my cell phones. Mhmm. Yes. Mhmm.

1285
00:45:28,074 --> 00:45:29,614
We have a couple of those. I'm amazed.

1286
00:45:29,755 --> 00:45:31,954
But what happens if this happens during a

1287
00:45:32,315 --> 00:45:34,015
that end day winter rainstorm

1288
00:45:34,555 --> 00:45:37,369
that's we are very well acquainted with that.

1289
00:45:37,369 --> 00:45:38,650
Well, you don't have to worry about water

1290
00:45:38,650 --> 00:45:40,650
then. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You don't have to

1291
00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:43,049
worry about water. Yeah. We get it. But,

1292
00:45:43,049 --> 00:45:44,409
you know, if we think about water for

1293
00:45:44,409 --> 00:45:46,250
drinking water, but you gotta flush your toilet

1294
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:48,250
too. Right. You know? Have you ever been

1295
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:50,324
without a toilet? That's that's a big problem.

1296
00:45:50,324 --> 00:45:52,804
Without water, but Absolutely. So, you know, there's

1297
00:45:52,804 --> 00:45:53,284
that.

1298
00:45:54,804 --> 00:45:56,644
And and what about our shut ins and

1299
00:45:56,644 --> 00:45:59,125
our people that are hard to Exactly. Mind.

1300
00:45:59,125 --> 00:46:01,125
Immobile, basically. Yeah. You know, what happens with

1301
00:46:01,125 --> 00:46:02,425
them? Who helps them?

1302
00:46:02,739 --> 00:46:04,260
Is there a plan in place to you

1303
00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:05,619
know, we know this person over here is

1304
00:46:05,619 --> 00:46:07,960
just shut in or or bedridden or something.

1305
00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:09,460
How are they gonna get out? What what

1306
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:10,579
are we gonna do for that? So the

1307
00:46:10,579 --> 00:46:12,260
the neighborhoods, the community has to come together

1308
00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:13,780
Come together? To be out for each other.

1309
00:46:13,780 --> 00:46:15,059
Yep. I think that's gonna be something What

1310
00:46:15,059 --> 00:46:16,739
about the hospital in GGT? They have a

1311
00:46:16,739 --> 00:46:18,184
they have a emergency

1312
00:46:18,885 --> 00:46:20,505
They do. Generator, but that needs

1313
00:46:21,204 --> 00:46:22,965
gas. Yeah. But do they have enough gas

1314
00:46:22,965 --> 00:46:24,724
to last for a little bit? But yeah.

1315
00:46:24,724 --> 00:46:26,184
I mean, you're right because,

1316
00:46:26,485 --> 00:46:28,965
not not everything is actually powered with a

1317
00:46:28,965 --> 00:46:30,585
generator. Mhmm. So,

1318
00:46:31,364 --> 00:46:33,860
for example, the out the outpatient clinic where

1319
00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:36,420
I worked, we didn't have any electricity, but

1320
00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:38,420
the the hospital or or or power, you

1321
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:40,980
know, the gas pump. Generators when Mhmm. Cresta

1322
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:43,059
City had the fire last, two years ago.

1323
00:46:43,059 --> 00:46:44,440
When they brought in those generators,

1324
00:46:44,755 --> 00:46:46,675
but they had to bring them way around

1325
00:46:46,675 --> 00:46:48,434
because the road was shut down from Medford.

1326
00:46:48,434 --> 00:46:50,675
And so we were stranded there, and they

1327
00:46:50,675 --> 00:46:52,914
had to go clear down and around. You

1328
00:46:52,914 --> 00:46:54,594
know? It was just it was And they

1329
00:46:54,594 --> 00:46:56,675
and they provided the gas. Right? Didn't they

1330
00:46:56,675 --> 00:46:58,135
say 42,000

1331
00:46:58,619 --> 00:47:00,639
gallons or a day

1332
00:47:00,940 --> 00:47:02,859
of that to provide They had to light

1333
00:47:02,859 --> 00:47:04,559
up the whole city. Yeah. We were completely

1334
00:47:04,859 --> 00:47:07,659
without electricity. Yeah. So so there's backups in

1335
00:47:07,659 --> 00:47:09,420
place for a lot of things, but it's

1336
00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:12,585
it's interesting to think about what happens if

1337
00:47:12,585 --> 00:47:14,744
they're not there or they They can't make

1338
00:47:14,744 --> 00:47:16,585
it in it. Right? Yeah. So, you know,

1339
00:47:16,585 --> 00:47:18,505
how do you operate? Yeah. Like, how does

1340
00:47:18,505 --> 00:47:20,105
a neighborhood I I like what you brought

1341
00:47:20,105 --> 00:47:22,664
up, Wes. How does a neighborhood operate for

1342
00:47:22,664 --> 00:47:25,559
their neighbors? How does a community operate? And

1343
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,039
of course, there's the food. You can't go

1344
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:28,859
to wherever

1345
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:30,920
to get food because there is no food

1346
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,440
that you can go to a restaurant to.

1347
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,279
So how how do you address that? Is

1348
00:47:34,279 --> 00:47:36,539
that in your to go back? Oh, this

1349
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,839
big container of a 120

1350
00:47:38,839 --> 00:47:39,339
meals.

1351
00:47:39,775 --> 00:47:41,614
Oh. Oh, the What what gave me a

1352
00:47:41,614 --> 00:47:43,215
list and I'm like looking at this thing?

1353
00:47:43,215 --> 00:47:46,175
It's called my my truck through the window

1354
00:47:46,175 --> 00:47:48,494
Safeway. That's what it's called. That's right. It

1355
00:47:48,494 --> 00:47:50,535
might refer to that. But look, everybody's looking

1356
00:47:50,535 --> 00:47:52,255
at me so seriously. What is that my

1357
00:47:52,255 --> 00:47:54,190
truck? My I'll get my truck and smash

1358
00:47:54,190 --> 00:47:56,590
through the window at Safeway. That's how I'm

1359
00:47:56,590 --> 00:47:59,150
gonna go steal it. Oh, hey. I didn't

1360
00:47:59,150 --> 00:48:00,050
say that. Sorry.

1361
00:48:00,430 --> 00:48:02,269
Damn. If you're listening, this is what we're

1362
00:48:02,269 --> 00:48:04,510
having for dinner. Less than $9,000,

1363
00:48:04,510 --> 00:48:06,670
they won't prosecute you. Is that right? Okay.

1364
00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:09,114
Good. Alright. I'm taking 8 and a half.

1365
00:48:09,114 --> 00:48:10,335
Back on track here.

1366
00:48:11,514 --> 00:48:12,014
So,

1367
00:48:13,114 --> 00:48:15,034
so the other thing that's interest to me

1368
00:48:15,034 --> 00:48:15,534
is

1369
00:48:16,154 --> 00:48:17,914
what happens to your your,

1370
00:48:18,234 --> 00:48:21,349
your purchasing system? Mhmm. Your commerce. Oh, my

1371
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:21,849
goodness.

1372
00:48:22,469 --> 00:48:24,309
All of a sudden now you can't get

1373
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:24,809
money.

1374
00:48:26,469 --> 00:48:28,309
So you got a barter system. Well, I

1375
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:29,829
don't know about you, but I've never bartered

1376
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:32,070
anything. I don't even know how. So what

1377
00:48:32,070 --> 00:48:33,829
we need to do is find somebody to

1378
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:34,809
help us learn

1379
00:48:35,385 --> 00:48:36,985
what's the key of bartering. How do you

1380
00:48:36,985 --> 00:48:38,284
do that? How does that work?

1381
00:48:38,664 --> 00:48:40,505
How do you prepare for it? So I'd

1382
00:48:40,505 --> 00:48:41,864
like to know something about that. So we're

1383
00:48:41,864 --> 00:48:43,465
gonna have someone come on the air and

1384
00:48:43,465 --> 00:48:45,085
and discuss bartering with us.

1385
00:48:45,385 --> 00:48:48,359
Wow. Woah. Look at that. Crypto, man. Crypto's

1386
00:48:48,359 --> 00:48:50,359
the way to go. Crypto. Absolutely. In shock,

1387
00:48:50,359 --> 00:48:52,599
you get buy on jokes. Yeah. Trade a

1388
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,359
joke for a buyer. We have no money.

1389
00:48:54,359 --> 00:48:55,500
We have no electricity,

1390
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:58,139
no water, trauma injuries.

1391
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,380
In the worst case scenario,

1392
00:49:01,055 --> 00:49:03,394
cars that aren't running because no gas,

1393
00:49:04,735 --> 00:49:06,974
food issues. I mean, we would have to

1394
00:49:06,974 --> 00:49:09,055
be a community that comes together Absolutely. To

1395
00:49:09,055 --> 00:49:10,414
help each other. And this is a long

1396
00:49:10,414 --> 00:49:12,035
term deal. This is we're talking

1397
00:49:12,335 --> 00:49:13,954
probably weeks or months. Mhmm.

1398
00:49:14,815 --> 00:49:15,454
One of the,

1399
00:49:16,289 --> 00:49:18,289
senior general managers in the area I was

1400
00:49:18,289 --> 00:49:20,849
talking with, was talking to somebody in Salem,

1401
00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:23,890
an emergency coordinator in Salem up here. And

1402
00:49:23,890 --> 00:49:25,489
he asked him a question, what's what's the

1403
00:49:25,489 --> 00:49:27,750
state gonna do when a cascade event happens?

1404
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:29,489
He's, you know, oh, this is gonna have

1405
00:49:29,489 --> 00:49:30,309
total devastation.

1406
00:49:30,945 --> 00:49:32,305
And the, the the,

1407
00:49:34,224 --> 00:49:36,465
emergency manager out of Salem, you know, the

1408
00:49:36,465 --> 00:49:38,785
government, Oregon government, said, well, I'm gonna call

1409
00:49:38,785 --> 00:49:40,704
the Navy. The Navy will send his ship,

1410
00:49:40,704 --> 00:49:43,364
put it offshore, and we'll run power to,

1411
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:46,349
you know, from the ship. Yeah. As generators

1412
00:49:46,349 --> 00:49:48,589
and can do that. And hospital ships, I

1413
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:50,750
guess, to help. And hospital ships. But, we're

1414
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:53,150
down here in Brookings. Yeah. True. You know,

1415
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:54,750
we're down here in the corner. Portland's gonna

1416
00:49:54,750 --> 00:49:56,269
get a lot of, a lot of Maybe

1417
00:49:56,269 --> 00:49:58,849
Portland's gonna get a generator. Yeah. You know?

1418
00:49:59,184 --> 00:50:02,144
But what about us? And so we're, we

1419
00:50:02,144 --> 00:50:04,644
have kind of a unique situation in that

1420
00:50:04,944 --> 00:50:06,484
we've gotta be a little more resourceful.

1421
00:50:07,105 --> 00:50:08,385
How are we going to do that? And

1422
00:50:08,385 --> 00:50:10,065
that's what, that's what the radio station, the

1423
00:50:10,065 --> 00:50:12,704
radio program is all about. Just discuss these

1424
00:50:12,704 --> 00:50:14,780
issues, throw it out there, say, okay, and

1425
00:50:14,780 --> 00:50:16,059
everybody looks at it and says, okay, this

1426
00:50:16,059 --> 00:50:17,019
is what I'm gonna do, this is what

1427
00:50:17,019 --> 00:50:19,099
I'm gonna do, and we come together and

1428
00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:21,199
come up with something that we can survive.

1429
00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:24,300
And, you know, we we said before that

1430
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:27,614
it's really about individual preparedness. Yeah. We're also

1431
00:50:27,614 --> 00:50:30,255
hoping that by getting some of these people

1432
00:50:30,255 --> 00:50:30,994
from organizations

1433
00:50:32,494 --> 00:50:33,315
on the program

1434
00:50:33,775 --> 00:50:36,414
that we can elevate the awareness a bit

1435
00:50:36,414 --> 00:50:37,155
where maybe

1436
00:50:37,454 --> 00:50:39,775
there are other ways they can engage or

1437
00:50:39,775 --> 00:50:40,914
begin to engage

1438
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:43,519
and have the discussions amongst themselves.

1439
00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:44,780
And,

1440
00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:47,420
it could be anything from the business owners

1441
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:48,239
in the community

1442
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:50,239
to the governmental entities

1443
00:50:51,019 --> 00:50:52,079
to people volunteering

1444
00:50:52,619 --> 00:50:54,300
to that I mean, they have some knowledge

1445
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,164
and maybe they're willing to impart it by

1446
00:50:57,164 --> 00:50:58,385
their volunteer work.

1447
00:50:59,005 --> 00:51:01,405
Yeah. Working together, helping each other. I mean,

1448
00:51:01,405 --> 00:51:03,805
that will get the communities together because it

1449
00:51:03,805 --> 00:51:05,905
is super really important

1450
00:51:06,285 --> 00:51:08,460
because what I don't know what to do,

1451
00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:09,900
you can help me and maybe I have

1452
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:12,139
something Okay. But what about go ahead. Oh,

1453
00:51:12,139 --> 00:51:13,900
remember I said at the beginning that here

1454
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:14,400
I

1455
00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:17,739
experienced this fire and it's traumatic in my

1456
00:51:17,739 --> 00:51:19,820
head, and then when it's not there, it

1457
00:51:19,820 --> 00:51:20,559
goes away.

1458
00:51:20,945 --> 00:51:24,085
So this radio program is an opportunity

1459
00:51:24,465 --> 00:51:25,605
to keep a conversation

1460
00:51:26,065 --> 00:51:26,565
live

1461
00:51:27,025 --> 00:51:29,364
that maybe we need to think about periodically.

1462
00:51:29,425 --> 00:51:31,585
Keep it updated. How about folks out there

1463
00:51:31,585 --> 00:51:33,184
listening? You know how to turn off your

1464
00:51:33,184 --> 00:51:35,025
gas line at your house, for instance? We

1465
00:51:35,264 --> 00:51:37,349
where is your gas line? We get the

1466
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:38,389
butane. Right? Or the,

1467
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:41,949
propane. Propane. We get and I don't know.

1468
00:51:41,989 --> 00:51:43,829
A thingy on there. Yeah. There's a thingy

1469
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:45,589
on there. But your water, I still don't

1470
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:46,789
know where your water is. I don't think

1471
00:51:46,789 --> 00:51:48,789
we can. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. I could go

1472
00:51:48,789 --> 00:51:50,549
up to the just turn it off. Okay.

1473
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:52,425
So how many of us know these things?

1474
00:51:52,505 --> 00:51:54,844
Right. Right? Just that alone. Check out now.

1475
00:51:55,065 --> 00:51:56,265
Now one other thing I would I would

1476
00:51:56,265 --> 00:51:57,164
mention to you,

1477
00:51:57,704 --> 00:51:59,385
as Ray mentioned early on, I gave him

1478
00:51:59,385 --> 00:52:00,505
a list. You know, he went down to

1479
00:52:00,505 --> 00:52:02,265
prime on Amazon Prime Day, you know, started

1480
00:52:02,265 --> 00:52:04,744
buying stuff. You know? I went on Amazon

1481
00:52:04,744 --> 00:52:06,664
Prime, and I'm doing some research on the

1482
00:52:06,664 --> 00:52:08,929
water issue. How do you get potable water,

1483
00:52:08,929 --> 00:52:09,670
drink water?

1484
00:52:10,210 --> 00:52:12,630
And I found this this this item on,

1485
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:13,510
Amazon

1486
00:52:14,130 --> 00:52:17,569
that's, water pills. Right. Water water solution. You

1487
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:19,250
add just to so many gallons of water,

1488
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:21,010
it makes it good for five years. You

1489
00:52:21,010 --> 00:52:22,525
can store it. And I'm going, wow, this

1490
00:52:22,525 --> 00:52:24,144
is good stuff. A little expensive.

1491
00:52:25,005 --> 00:52:26,525
But I said, wow, this is really good.

1492
00:52:26,525 --> 00:52:27,965
So I didn't look at it all that

1493
00:52:27,965 --> 00:52:29,405
hard, so I bought it. This is like

1494
00:52:29,405 --> 00:52:30,144
$30

1495
00:52:30,525 --> 00:52:32,284
for this. And I bought three quarters of

1496
00:52:32,284 --> 00:52:33,264
an ounce of

1497
00:52:34,445 --> 00:52:38,300
household laundry bleach. Oh, for thirty months.

1498
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,700
My goodness. Now was

1499
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,240
I irritated when I found that out? Right.

1500
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,840
You bet I was. You know, so one

1501
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,200
thing we're gonna do is we're gonna talk

1502
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,099
about products.

1503
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,434
We can't endorse products. I know that. But,

1504
00:52:50,675 --> 00:52:52,275
we're gonna talk about the general, you know,

1505
00:52:52,275 --> 00:52:54,755
acquiring stuff to help you. And you can

1506
00:52:54,755 --> 00:52:57,335
get scammed. I mean, I spent $30 on

1507
00:52:57,715 --> 00:52:59,635
three quarters of an ounce of household ranching.

1508
00:52:59,635 --> 00:53:00,714
Yeah. For two gallons of gas and gas.

1509
00:53:00,755 --> 00:53:01,894
A dollar and a half.

1510
00:53:02,594 --> 00:53:04,434
Exactly right. Yeah. They'll bring it over for

1511
00:53:04,434 --> 00:53:07,610
wine time. Yeah. I got wine and food.

1512
00:53:07,610 --> 00:53:10,410
That's another. Just the refrigerator, we have freezers

1513
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:11,950
too. Right? They went out.

1514
00:53:12,329 --> 00:53:14,250
So now what do we do? We remember

1515
00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:16,250
our freezer we had to how did we

1516
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:17,849
get around that? I forget. We we gave

1517
00:53:17,849 --> 00:53:19,784
some to your friend. Oh, yes. We gave

1518
00:53:19,864 --> 00:53:21,784
we we To Victoria. Yep. Thank you for

1519
00:53:21,784 --> 00:53:23,864
taking Yep. Our freezer stuff. Thanks, Victoria, for

1520
00:53:23,864 --> 00:53:25,704
listening. That's right. She took it in. Brookings

1521
00:53:25,704 --> 00:53:28,364
was unaffected, but that's right. We needed

1522
00:53:28,824 --> 00:53:30,905
we had so much frozen. And luckily, we

1523
00:53:30,905 --> 00:53:32,589
could drive up there. I mean That's true.

1524
00:53:32,589 --> 00:53:34,190
There was no bridge in that river. Still

1525
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:36,349
going. Yeah. So we've all lived through the

1526
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:37,949
how many people do we know in this

1527
00:53:37,949 --> 00:53:38,449
area

1528
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:41,630
that have survived the Paradise Fire? I know

1529
00:53:41,869 --> 00:53:43,789
Oh, so many people. Like Powell and Yeah.

1530
00:53:43,869 --> 00:53:44,699
And and the

1531
00:53:46,775 --> 00:53:49,494
The Whiskey River The Whiskey, down in Red

1532
00:53:49,494 --> 00:53:51,815
Redway or, I can't think of the name

1533
00:53:51,815 --> 00:53:53,434
of the town now. Just south.

1534
00:53:53,815 --> 00:53:54,315
Mhmm.

1535
00:53:54,775 --> 00:53:56,155
Anyway. Okay. Anyway,

1536
00:53:56,695 --> 00:53:57,974
so many people So there were so many

1537
00:53:57,974 --> 00:53:59,400
people displaced because

1538
00:53:59,780 --> 00:54:00,820
of the fire They live here in this

1539
00:54:00,820 --> 00:54:02,820
city. Mike and Teresa are who we've already

1540
00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:04,900
interviewed. We'll be talking with them. Better yet,

1541
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:06,980
fascinating. Really? You've had them on the show.

1542
00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:08,659
Yeah. We got that show in the can.

1543
00:54:08,659 --> 00:54:10,420
Oh my goodness. How cool is that? So

1544
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:12,340
they yeah. They have stories. So my sister

1545
00:54:12,340 --> 00:54:14,114
got burned down in the Santa Rosa fire.

1546
00:54:14,355 --> 00:54:16,434
Fifteen minutes, like you said, came back, absolutely

1547
00:54:16,434 --> 00:54:18,275
scorched everything to the earth. Yeah. Yeah. And

1548
00:54:18,275 --> 00:54:20,914
people are just recuperating. So lost everything. And

1549
00:54:20,914 --> 00:54:22,675
so that's the other thing. If you lose

1550
00:54:22,675 --> 00:54:25,394
everything, you cannot go and dig through what

1551
00:54:25,394 --> 00:54:27,795
you have and do right? You're it's done.

1552
00:54:27,795 --> 00:54:30,280
It's gone. It's gone. So what now what?

1553
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,280
You have different kind of events. Right? So

1554
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,440
the fire is something that there is a

1555
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,920
little bit, there there is a certain amount

1556
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,420
of

1557
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,000
time Yeah. To do something. Right. Yeah. An

1558
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,019
earthquake. Well, yeah. Tsunami.

1559
00:54:43,594 --> 00:54:45,214
That comes on pretty fast.

1560
00:54:45,914 --> 00:54:46,414
Right.

1561
00:54:47,034 --> 00:54:48,554
That's the tough one. I mean, what about

1562
00:54:48,554 --> 00:54:50,315
these houses that are like right along the

1563
00:54:50,315 --> 00:54:51,295
jetty and

1564
00:54:52,074 --> 00:54:54,074
in Crescent City that are right along Pebble

1565
00:54:54,074 --> 00:54:54,815
Beach Road

1566
00:54:55,275 --> 00:54:57,755
that are there. They're level with the ocean

1567
00:54:57,755 --> 00:55:00,029
or just Yeah. They're right on water. Right?

1568
00:55:00,250 --> 00:55:02,489
Boy, hang on. There's some really beautiful homes

1569
00:55:02,489 --> 00:55:05,210
and it's gonna affect us. Okay. Let's bring

1570
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it back to kinda surmise this whole thing.

1571
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Scientists are saying

1572
00:55:09,369 --> 00:55:10,349
that it's overdue.

1573
00:55:10,969 --> 00:55:12,894
I've heard several people have said it's like

1574
00:55:12,894 --> 00:55:14,614
every 300, well, we could do the math

1575
00:55:14,614 --> 00:55:16,494
here. Two to 500. Yeah. Right.

1576
00:55:17,135 --> 00:55:19,534
And it's overdue and we know that one

1577
00:55:19,534 --> 00:55:21,454
tectonic plate is moving in and the other

1578
00:55:21,454 --> 00:55:23,474
one's gonna catch and buckle.

1579
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:27,750
The way water works is fascinating to me

1580
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:29,989
that the ocean can create these huge tsunamis,

1581
00:55:29,989 --> 00:55:31,530
but they're realistic threats.

1582
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:33,289
So in a nutshell,

1583
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:35,829
what would you say? Is there anything comforting

1584
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:36,569
you could

1585
00:55:37,655 --> 00:55:40,375
say to people instead of just getting everybody

1586
00:55:40,375 --> 00:55:43,434
freaked out, I meant? Preparation. Just preparation. Preparation.

1587
00:55:43,494 --> 00:55:43,994
Yeah.

1588
00:55:44,454 --> 00:55:46,295
Address it with a clear mind, a clear

1589
00:55:46,295 --> 00:55:46,795
head,

1590
00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:49,094
and what can I do to help my

1591
00:55:49,094 --> 00:55:49,594
family

1592
00:55:50,054 --> 00:55:51,195
and and my neighbors

1593
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:53,050
get through this and get to the other

1594
00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:55,929
side? Maybe a neighborhood watch for this kind

1595
00:55:55,929 --> 00:55:58,250
of a Something. Yeah. To I think the

1596
00:55:58,250 --> 00:56:00,329
working together is and go back to that.

1597
00:56:00,329 --> 00:56:01,929
I mean, if the I would guess the

1598
00:56:01,929 --> 00:56:04,329
houses are gonna be damaged to a certain

1599
00:56:04,329 --> 00:56:06,190
degree, if not wiped out.

1600
00:56:06,605 --> 00:56:09,085
Go back saying, hey, did did that lady

1601
00:56:09,085 --> 00:56:10,924
get out of the house? Go back and

1602
00:56:10,924 --> 00:56:13,724
find people who might be trapped. Right? If

1603
00:56:13,724 --> 00:56:16,364
we know who lives where, then go. Did

1604
00:56:16,364 --> 00:56:18,284
they No matter how small your neighborhood Yeah.

1605
00:56:18,364 --> 00:56:19,424
It's still a neighborhood.

1606
00:56:19,969 --> 00:56:21,109
Yeah. Right. Exactly.

1607
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:24,630
Well, awareness, preparation, and and, you know,

1608
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:27,329
preparation of varying degrees, you know, as long

1609
00:56:27,329 --> 00:56:29,469
as you get started. Mhmm. You

1610
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:33,250
Wow. Ray Simon and, Wes Bruning. Wow. What

1611
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:35,250
a fascinating hour it has been. We've talked

1612
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:37,295
about forty five minutes, and we could we

1613
00:56:37,295 --> 00:56:39,214
just started getting going. Right? I mean, did

1614
00:56:39,214 --> 00:56:41,454
we not? We are we are we could

1615
00:56:41,454 --> 00:56:42,194
carry this,

1616
00:56:43,054 --> 00:56:45,214
on and on and on. Fleas or no

1617
00:56:45,454 --> 00:56:48,530
Or the listeners can listen to Cascadia Strong

1618
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:50,750
Radio and get it all detailed out. Mid

1619
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:52,609
March. I can't wait for that. Yeah. Now

1620
00:56:52,609 --> 00:56:54,369
looking at Tom Bozak and the engineer, is

1621
00:56:54,369 --> 00:56:55,730
that a thumbs up for these guys? You

1622
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:57,250
helped him record it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. He's

1623
00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:58,929
given us a thumbs up. So you've got

1624
00:56:58,929 --> 00:56:59,989
these in the can,

1625
00:57:00,385 --> 00:57:01,925
and they're ready to be broadcast.

1626
00:57:02,545 --> 00:57:05,585
So let us know. We will do everything

1627
00:57:05,585 --> 00:57:07,905
we can to get the word out about,

1628
00:57:08,144 --> 00:57:09,045
such an important

1629
00:57:09,744 --> 00:57:11,765
We appreciate that greatly. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate

1630
00:57:11,825 --> 00:57:13,425
you guys coming on the show. It's gonna

1631
00:57:13,425 --> 00:57:15,425
be on YouTube too at the end then?

1632
00:57:15,425 --> 00:57:18,199
Will it be or or or, podcast it.

1633
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:20,679
Right? Podcasting. Yes. Yes. Very cool. Alright. We

1634
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:23,239
like the website as well that, focuses on

1635
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:24,760
this area. Oh, well, well, tell us about

1636
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,699
the website. Well, we we need

1637
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:29,000
to find someone to help us do that.

1638
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,359
Oh. Same with us. When you find them,

1639
00:57:30,359 --> 00:57:31,659
send them our way. Okay?

1640
00:57:31,974 --> 00:57:33,974
Alright. We gotta close out the show right

1641
00:57:33,974 --> 00:57:35,574
now, do we not? No. We still have

1642
00:57:35,574 --> 00:57:37,734
us thirty minutes to go. You can't get

1643
00:57:37,734 --> 00:57:39,514
a joke, please. Okay.

1644
00:57:40,375 --> 00:57:42,775
Life will not break your heart. It'll crush

1645
00:57:42,775 --> 00:57:44,315
it, said Henry Rollins.

1646
00:57:45,289 --> 00:57:46,589
What? I don't know.

1647
00:57:46,969 --> 00:57:48,489
I found I found that old I think

1648
00:57:48,489 --> 00:57:50,429
I found one of your old sure.

1649
00:57:51,130 --> 00:57:51,449
Right.

1650
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:54,589
Doctor Gigi says that I'm street smart,

1651
00:57:55,210 --> 00:57:56,670
Sesame street smart.

1652
00:57:57,210 --> 00:57:59,315
Darn it. Is cute. Okay. You're done with

1653
00:57:59,315 --> 00:58:00,934
your joke. I'm pretty. Guess what?

1654
00:58:01,474 --> 00:58:01,974
You

1655
00:58:02,434 --> 00:58:05,094
and I and our guests have been listening

1656
00:58:05,154 --> 00:58:07,394
to the Doc and Chuck Variety Show on

1657
00:58:07,394 --> 00:58:07,894
KCIW

1658
00:58:09,074 --> 00:58:11,574
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.

1659
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:14,320
We certainly hope you have enjoyed our show

1660
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,320
as much as we have learning about the

1661
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,199
Cascadia event with Wes Bruning and Ray Syme.

1662
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:21,679
Yep. Indeed. Peace and prosperity to everyone out

1663
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,239
there. Thanks again. Tom Bozak, Linda Bozak for

1664
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:26,579
listening. All the listeners, Judy and Donna,

1665
00:58:27,824 --> 00:58:28,644
good show here.

1666
00:58:29,105 --> 00:58:30,545
We wish to thank all those people that

1667
00:58:30,545 --> 00:58:32,465
make this show possible to be aired up

1668
00:58:32,465 --> 00:58:35,505
and down our beautiful but endangered coast. Now

1669
00:58:35,505 --> 00:58:37,184
we know. Mail us if you know of

1670
00:58:37,184 --> 00:58:40,704
an interesting person at docandjock@gmail.com.

1671
00:58:40,704 --> 00:58:43,410
And Now stay tuned for the Tony. Tony

1672
00:58:43,550 --> 00:58:46,110
Russo show that talked to him last night.

1673
00:58:46,110 --> 00:58:47,570
Folks, we have entertainment,

1674
00:58:48,110 --> 00:58:50,430
guests all the month of February. Say stay

1675
00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:50,930
tuned.

1676
00:58:51,469 --> 00:58:51,969
Bye.