1 00:00:00,810 --> 00:00:05,810 Announcer: This is a Getty Podcast. 2 00:00:05,810 --> 00:00:05,900 3 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:07,969 [Rising, meditative music] 4 00:00:07,969 --> 00:00:08,930 Lilit Sadoyan: Hello, I’m Lilit Sadoyan, the host of 5 00:00:10,210 --> 00:00:13,790 OMMM, Our Museum Mindfulness Meditation podcast, Getty’s 6 00:00:13,799 --> 00:00:15,119 first video podcast. 7 00:00:15,980 --> 00:00:19,010 Welcome to this Deeper Dive, where we explore the themes 8 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:22,639 of our weekly episodes with experts in everything from 9 00:00:22,639 --> 00:00:24,740 astrology to clouds on Mars. 10 00:00:25,369 --> 00:00:28,650 Roger Ekirch: To the extent that we don’t possess sufficient 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:35,150 sleep today, it’s largely a matter of our own making. 12 00:00:35,899 --> 00:00:39,790 Sadoyan: This week, we did a yogic sleep meditation inspired 13 00:00:39,809 --> 00:00:42,170 by an ornate 18th-century bed. 14 00:00:43,149 --> 00:00:46,489 I spoke with Virginia Tech professor Roger Ekirch, a 15 00:00:47,239 --> 00:00:51,839 sleep historian, about sleep habits 250 years ago and 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,389 how they compare to today. 17 00:00:53,860 --> 00:00:55,319 Now let’s dive in. 18 00:00:56,229 --> 00:00:58,459 [on video call] Roger, thank you so much for joining me today. 19 00:00:58,619 --> 00:01:03,849 The global sleep economy is estimated to be close to a 600 20 00:01:04,369 --> 00:01:08,729 billion dollar industry, and we have high-tech wearables 21 00:01:08,779 --> 00:01:13,749 to track our sleep, blue light blocking glasses, sleep stories, 22 00:01:13,750 --> 00:01:17,699 meditation apps, and mattresses that monitor our sleep. 23 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:22,119 And yet, I know personally, and statistically, that most 24 00:01:22,119 --> 00:01:25,130 people feel like they aren’t getting enough sleep these days. 25 00:01:25,909 --> 00:01:27,669 So I’d love to hear from you. 26 00:01:27,689 --> 00:01:30,509 Were people just as sleep-deprived in 27 00:01:30,509 --> 00:01:31,809 the 18th century? 28 00:01:33,839 --> 00:01:37,889 Ekirch: They were more often sleep deprived 29 00:01:37,889 --> 00:01:39,119 in the 18th century. 30 00:01:40,489 --> 00:01:48,719 In fact not everyone may agree with me, but never before 31 00:01:48,979 --> 00:01:56,159 in recorded human history has the quality of sleep or 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:02,120 the potential for quality sleep been better than today. 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,869 In the 18th century, 34 00:02:06,459 --> 00:02:12,069 people from all classes took their sleep extraordinarily 35 00:02:13,209 --> 00:02:22,559 seriously, given the threats to both sound and 36 00:02:22,970 --> 00:02:27,809 safe slumber that existed. 37 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,040 This was the pre-analgesic, pre-penicillin age. 38 00:02:33,869 --> 00:02:41,100 A cold was not merely a source of discomfort, 39 00:02:41,229 --> 00:02:47,929 but, uh, it could manifest into a much more serious 40 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:50,700 illness such as pneumonia. 41 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:56,630 If you had asthma, you had to sit up in a chair while 42 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:58,640 you slept through the night. 43 00:02:59,210 --> 00:03:00,610 There were bugs. 44 00:03:02,270 --> 00:03:11,120 The, unholy trinity of lice, fleas, and bedbugs 45 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:14,670 that disrupted rest. 46 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:18,489 47 00:03:18,489 --> 00:03:24,160 Rooms were not climate controlled like today. 48 00:03:25,099 --> 00:03:32,829 Roofs that don’t leak, which was a common problem, even in 49 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,600 the most luxurious households. 50 00:03:39,230 --> 00:03:46,040 Storms, because there was no insulation and because 51 00:03:46,079 --> 00:03:52,329 people feared that a roof might be torn off kept 52 00:03:52,329 --> 00:03:54,709 individuals up all night. 53 00:03:55,020 --> 00:04:00,359 Not only were there practical problems, there were any 54 00:04:00,389 --> 00:04:07,369 number of supernatural perils in the 18th century that 55 00:04:09,010 --> 00:04:12,689 still were deeply feared. 56 00:04:13,519 --> 00:04:17,939 Not only the “Prince of Darkness” himself, but demons, 57 00:04:18,449 --> 00:04:25,470 uh, witches, any number of minions that the devil let 58 00:04:25,510 --> 00:04:30,399 loose, especially during the dead of night, which 59 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:35,279 was between 12 and and 3 am. 60 00:04:36,729 --> 00:04:43,209 Burglars...anyway, these are problems that most 61 00:04:43,209 --> 00:04:47,789 of us, fortunately, do not have to contend with. 62 00:04:48,809 --> 00:04:52,119 To the extent that we don’t possess sufficient 63 00:04:52,129 --> 00:04:58,689 sleep today, it’s largely a matter of our own making. 64 00:04:59,739 --> 00:05:05,189 Uh, to be sure, there are large numbers of people who 65 00:05:05,209 --> 00:05:09,900 are obligated to work two jobs. 66 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:16,490 But for most individuals above the poverty line, the 67 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:26,239 decision to stay up late is, um, is really theirs to make. 68 00:05:26,580 --> 00:05:31,399 Sadoyan: It’s really fascinating all the considerations...of 69 00:05:31,910 --> 00:05:34,319 things that affected one’s sleep in the 18th century. 70 00:05:34,330 --> 00:05:37,469 Nowadays, we’re thinking about, you know, is the 71 00:05:37,470 --> 00:05:38,989 room the right temperature? 72 00:05:39,019 --> 00:05:41,569 Is there, you know, is it dark enough? 73 00:05:41,610 --> 00:05:43,930 Um, are you making sure that you’re not bringing 74 00:05:43,930 --> 00:05:46,619 any work into your bed so that you associate it 75 00:05:46,629 --> 00:05:48,289 exclusively with sleep? 76 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:51,339 Make sure that you’re not drinking alcohol or caffeine 77 00:05:51,339 --> 00:05:54,400 before going to bed, and these are all things that, you 78 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,340 know, have been suggested and proven to be more conducive 79 00:05:59,390 --> 00:06:00,549 to better sleep at night. 80 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,000 So what was—what was sleep hygiene like 81 00:06:04,010 --> 00:06:05,479 in the 18th century? 82 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:09,329 What were the conditions that made sleep 83 00:06:09,809 --> 00:06:11,750 optimal in that period? 84 00:06:11,750 --> 00:06:17,399 Ekirch: [laughs] I can assure you that people took their sleep 85 00:06:17,740 --> 00:06:23,289 extraordinarily seriously, and they went to great lengths. 86 00:06:25,229 --> 00:06:32,049 Arguably most important of all in preparing for 87 00:06:32,369 --> 00:06:36,589 sleep at night was prayer. 88 00:06:37,629 --> 00:06:42,100 There were special prayers, indeed to be recited, 89 00:06:42,129 --> 00:06:48,789 oftentimes by families holding their hands together, asking 90 00:06:48,969 --> 00:06:58,579 God for protection from all the threats that existed. 91 00:06:59,359 --> 00:07:03,999 Most of all, of course, the devil, who, as one person 92 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,450 put it, never, never sleeps. 93 00:07:08,349 --> 00:07:12,520 Very important was to let dogs loose, or in the case of 94 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,890 one household, I read, geese. 95 00:07:15,650 --> 00:07:21,949 Geese make a tremendous racket if someone enters 96 00:07:21,970 --> 00:07:24,040 a household at night. [laughs] 97 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:24,080 98 00:07:24,340 --> 00:07:25,560 99 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:34,250 Individuals, in some cases, consumed alcohol—what was known 100 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:38,439 in Germany as a sleeping drink just before they entered 101 00:07:38,449 --> 00:07:46,409 bed—even though we know that while alcohol can induce sleep 102 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:54,669 for perhaps a few hours, it’s a source of restless sleep 103 00:07:55,569 --> 00:07:57,219 beyond that, to be sure. 104 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:00,269 For the upper classes...laudanum, 105 00:08:03,719 --> 00:08:11,209 a diluted mixture of opium, was very popular. 106 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:20,099 People went to great measures—if they were fortunate enough to 107 00:08:20,099 --> 00:08:28,569 have a bed, which, by the way, typically was the most valued 108 00:08:28,619 --> 00:08:36,309 article of furniture in any household—went to great measures 109 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:44,529 to make sure that their beds were sufficiently warm by using 110 00:08:44,739 --> 00:08:49,669 pans of charcoal or hot bricks. 111 00:08:52,599 --> 00:08:59,600 They could never, never be damp from washing, hence the 112 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:07,250 saying, “Better dirt than death.” To have a bedmate 113 00:09:09,380 --> 00:09:19,499 was a great source, not only of warmth, but also of security. 114 00:09:20,670 --> 00:09:24,429 Even aristocrats—it was the unusual household that 115 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:32,279 wherein people did not have bedmates or bedfellows to 116 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:37,770 sleep with, oftentimes the same individual over a period of 117 00:09:37,770 --> 00:09:43,870 years, whether we’re talking about two sisters or, uh, 118 00:09:44,649 --> 00:09:51,049 on a more temporary scale [laughs] , a traveling peddler 119 00:09:51,059 --> 00:09:52,760 who was in need of shelter. 120 00:09:53,239 --> 00:09:57,130 The important thing was that you did not put him closest 121 00:09:57,130 --> 00:10:02,790 to the door in case he was a member of a gang of robbers 122 00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:05,230 that he might then let in. 123 00:10:06,010 --> 00:10:08,690 Sadoyan: It sounds like people of all classes are really going 124 00:10:08,690 --> 00:10:12,860 through such great lengths to assure the quality and 125 00:10:12,860 --> 00:10:14,649 the safety of their sleep. 126 00:10:14,650 --> 00:10:20,640 So was there an ideal number of hours that one could or 127 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,429 should get in the 18th century? 128 00:10:22,430 --> 00:10:25,239 Now we aim for, you know, seven to nine, right? 129 00:10:25,930 --> 00:10:27,710 What about in the 18th century? 130 00:10:29,549 --> 00:10:30,899 Ekirch: Precisely the same. 131 00:10:31,979 --> 00:10:34,849 In most medical journals and 132 00:10:38,430 --> 00:10:44,749 diaries, that was the ambition, at least, the ideal. 133 00:10:45,089 --> 00:10:52,199 There’s a wonderful diary by an 18th-century craftsman, 134 00:10:52,219 --> 00:10:57,500 Thomas Turner, who at the beginning of every year, he 135 00:10:57,569 --> 00:11:03,099 takes an oath that he records in writing that he will 136 00:11:03,209 --> 00:11:07,800 be in bed before 9 or 10. 137 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,080 The next page, he 138 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,689 berates himself for having returned home from a vestry 139 00:11:18,009 --> 00:11:22,910 meeting at 2 am very drunk. 140 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:32,219 In the 18th century, uh, really throughout Western 141 00:11:32,220 --> 00:11:36,720 history, prior to the Industrial Revolution in the 142 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:45,630 19th century, the predominant pattern of sleep was 143 00:11:48,149 --> 00:11:52,570 biphasic, also known as, segmented sleep, whereby 144 00:11:52,660 --> 00:11:57,189 individuals, if they went to bed as they were supposed 145 00:11:57,190 --> 00:12:04,629 to between 9 and 10 pm, they would then sleep for three, 146 00:12:04,630 --> 00:12:10,279 three and a half hours, awaken at some point not long after 147 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:17,640 midnight, remain conscious for up to an hour or more in 148 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:23,629 which they did practically anything and everything. 149 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:29,979 And then they would take a second sleep, uh, roughly 150 00:12:29,980 --> 00:12:34,560 of the same duration, three to three and a half hours, 151 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:38,230 and wake up around dawn. 152 00:12:38,820 --> 00:12:45,719 I have found references to biphasic sleep, numerous 153 00:12:45,719 --> 00:12:51,569 references, the earliest being in Homer’s Odyssey. 154 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:57,190 Among other activities that people resorted to, apart 155 00:12:57,190 --> 00:13:02,940 from their chamber pots, were chores that required little 156 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:06,409 light and were unskilled: 157 00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:12,460 preparing a meal for breakfast, 158 00:13:14,949 --> 00:13:22,489 reflecting upon dreams...and it’s never during the day, were 159 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:32,080 surroundings, needless to say, so quiet in general and so dark. 160 00:13:34,199 --> 00:13:42,799 Perfect conditions for communing with God, whether through 161 00:13:42,819 --> 00:13:48,870 dreams or prayers, uh, special prayers to be said in the 162 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:54,319 middle of the night, or, as it was put, between sleeps. 163 00:13:54,729 --> 00:13:59,900 Waking up in the middle of the night after one’s first sleep, 164 00:14:00,699 --> 00:14:05,439 remaining awake for up to an hour or so, and then taking 165 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:15,549 one’s second sleep, these were not viewed as a sleep disorder. 166 00:14:16,410 --> 00:14:21,889 In fact, they were thought utterly natural as they 167 00:14:21,899 --> 00:14:27,410 had been, arguably, 168 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:35,610 since time immemorial until the Industrial Revolution and 169 00:14:35,610 --> 00:14:40,009 the prevalence of artificial lighting and the birth 170 00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:47,520 of values that emphasized efficiency, ambition, whereby 171 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:56,360 sleep increasingly became viewed as a necessary evil. 172 00:14:57,870 --> 00:15:05,850 It is not coincidental, in my view and a number of sleep 173 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:12,049 scientists have echoed this observation, that middle of 174 00:15:12,070 --> 00:15:17,200 the night insomnia today, from which so many people suffer—it’s 175 00:15:17,209 --> 00:15:24,799 the most common sleep disorder in the industrialized world, 176 00:15:25,950 --> 00:15:33,289 to be sure, for many it is a disorder—but for many 177 00:15:33,290 --> 00:15:39,239 individuals, it’s an echo, it’s a remnant, of this 178 00:15:39,379 --> 00:15:42,890 older pattern of sleep. 179 00:15:43,439 --> 00:15:45,500 Sadoyan: Roger, this was all so fascinating. 180 00:15:45,539 --> 00:15:48,889 I learned so much about sleep in the early modern period. 181 00:15:48,899 --> 00:15:50,669 I know our listeners did, too. 182 00:15:50,959 --> 00:15:53,219 So I just wanted to say thank you again for 183 00:15:53,230 --> 00:15:54,549 joining our podcast. 184 00:15:56,010 --> 00:15:56,589 Ekirch: Thank you. 185 00:15:56,589 --> 00:16:00,589 I’m very flattered to have been invited, Lilit. 186 00:16:02,799 --> 00:16:03,800 Sweet dreams. 187 00:16:03,819 --> 00:16:05,630 Sadoyan: [laughs] You as well. 188 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:06,319 Thank you. 189 00:16:06,609 --> 00:16:07,930 [Light music plays] 190 00:16:07,930 --> 00:16:10,749 To find the related meditation and see images, 191 00:16:10,889 --> 00:16:14,329 transcripts, and additional resources, visit our website 192 00:16:14,369 --> 00:16:16,769 at getty dot edu slash ommm. 193 00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:18,989 That’s O-M-M-M.