1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,879 Good morning, Northern Michigan. This is your cup 2 00:00:02,879 --> 00:00:06,319 of Traverse City for the 03/05/2026. 3 00:00:06,319 --> 00:00:09,599 I'm Mike, and, grab your coffee. We're gonna 4 00:00:09,599 --> 00:00:11,219 be talking about airports 5 00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:14,179 or the airport here in Traverse City. 6 00:00:15,065 --> 00:00:16,605 They're gonna have a proposed 7 00:00:16,984 --> 00:00:20,904 zoning overlay that could more closely regulate building 8 00:00:20,904 --> 00:00:23,324 heights, trees, land uses 9 00:00:23,704 --> 00:00:26,125 near the airport. Now use near 10 00:00:26,664 --> 00:00:29,464 in in air quotes. The the story didn't, 11 00:00:29,464 --> 00:00:29,964 but 12 00:00:31,050 --> 00:00:34,590 they're proposing a new zoning overlay district, 13 00:00:35,369 --> 00:00:37,390 for the Traverse City area, 14 00:00:38,250 --> 00:00:41,229 and it's the Cherry Capital Airport joint zoning 15 00:00:41,289 --> 00:00:44,350 board. The ordinance would establish regulations 16 00:00:44,649 --> 00:00:45,710 on land within 17 00:00:46,145 --> 00:00:47,924 the airport hazard area, 18 00:00:48,465 --> 00:00:49,765 which is approximately 19 00:00:50,225 --> 00:00:52,644 10 mile radius around 20 00:00:53,104 --> 00:00:54,244 Traverse City Airport. 21 00:00:55,585 --> 00:00:57,844 And, you know, it says it'll have implication 22 00:00:57,905 --> 00:01:01,125 for land uses, building heights, tall trees. 23 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,840 And while this ordinance has drawn scrutiny from 24 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,260 the locals who worry that'll significantly 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,680 impede property rights and quality of life in 26 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:11,819 Traverse City, leaders 27 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,319 of TVC's joint zoning board argue it would 28 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:16,459 create a more 29 00:01:17,075 --> 00:01:17,575 legal 30 00:01:17,954 --> 00:01:19,894 or create more legal protections 31 00:01:20,354 --> 00:01:21,894 and avenues for development. 32 00:01:22,834 --> 00:01:25,234 So I guess my problem with it I 33 00:01:25,234 --> 00:01:27,394 I live really close to the airport and, 34 00:01:27,715 --> 00:01:28,614 you know, so 35 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,400 there's that. I'm not on any of the 36 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:31,900 approaches, 37 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:32,700 but, 38 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:35,320 still, you know, I've got 80 foot oak 39 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:37,320 trees in my yard. I don't want them 40 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:39,079 come and say, hey. We gotta cut those 41 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:39,900 trees down. 42 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,185 No. No. No. No. No. That's not what 43 00:01:42,185 --> 00:01:45,084 they're doing though. So that's that's good too. 44 00:01:45,385 --> 00:01:48,905 All the existing quote unquote uses, including tall 45 00:01:48,905 --> 00:01:51,165 trees and buildings that wouldn't conform. 46 00:01:52,424 --> 00:01:54,665 But, you know, they're talking about a 35 47 00:01:54,665 --> 00:01:55,484 foot limit, 48 00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:57,640 without variance. 49 00:01:58,980 --> 00:02:00,840 You know, if you can't get a variance. 50 00:02:01,620 --> 00:02:04,099 But my problem with it is is 10 51 00:02:04,099 --> 00:02:04,599 miles. 52 00:02:05,060 --> 00:02:06,040 Holy crud. 53 00:02:06,739 --> 00:02:07,239 The 54 00:02:07,780 --> 00:02:09,159 Traverse City airspace, 55 00:02:10,020 --> 00:02:12,444 I am a pilot, so I do understand 56 00:02:12,504 --> 00:02:14,104 some of this stuff. Not all of it, 57 00:02:14,104 --> 00:02:15,164 but some of it. 58 00:02:16,745 --> 00:02:18,824 The the Traverse City airspace is known as 59 00:02:18,824 --> 00:02:21,485 class d airspace, class delta, 60 00:02:22,344 --> 00:02:25,084 which is, you know, controlled by a control 61 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:25,645 tower. 62 00:02:26,310 --> 00:02:28,010 And so to fly within 63 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:31,050 about four miles from the airport, 64 00:02:31,830 --> 00:02:34,170 you have to get, you have to establish 65 00:02:34,230 --> 00:02:36,409 two way communications with the tower. 66 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:38,550 Not that you can't go in it. They 67 00:02:38,550 --> 00:02:40,090 can tell you to stay out, 68 00:02:40,794 --> 00:02:42,394 you know, but you have to before you 69 00:02:42,394 --> 00:02:43,055 can fly 70 00:02:43,834 --> 00:02:45,614 inside that delta, 71 00:02:46,235 --> 00:02:46,894 you know, 72 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:50,474 anywhere from the ground up to 3,000 73 00:02:50,474 --> 00:02:53,454 feet. I know I'm getting geeky technical, but 74 00:02:53,659 --> 00:02:55,419 that's the airspace that the, 75 00:02:56,139 --> 00:03:00,060 airport owns. Well, not owns, but, controls. You 76 00:03:00,060 --> 00:03:02,540 know, the control tower controls it. Not only 77 00:03:02,540 --> 00:03:04,540 when the tower is open. When the tower 78 00:03:04,540 --> 00:03:07,745 is not open, it reverts to class e 79 00:03:07,745 --> 00:03:11,025 airspace, which is technically controlled, but you don't 80 00:03:11,025 --> 00:03:12,784 have to talk to anybody to use it. 81 00:03:12,784 --> 00:03:15,104 So after about nine or 10:00 at night, 82 00:03:15,104 --> 00:03:16,724 depending on the time of the year, 83 00:03:17,104 --> 00:03:18,884 all the way till seven in the morning, 84 00:03:19,569 --> 00:03:21,030 Traverse City Airport is 85 00:03:21,490 --> 00:03:23,909 more or less uncontrolled. No control tower. 86 00:03:24,689 --> 00:03:26,849 There's procedures and all that, but I won't 87 00:03:26,849 --> 00:03:28,949 get into the grizzly details. 88 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:33,189 But how they can say 10 miles? 89 00:03:33,514 --> 00:03:35,435 Now, you know, if they upgrade to a 90 00:03:35,435 --> 00:03:37,134 class Charlie, which 91 00:03:37,435 --> 00:03:39,694 I think is what they wanna do 92 00:03:39,995 --> 00:03:40,895 at some point, 93 00:03:41,514 --> 00:03:43,514 which, you know, I don't have any major 94 00:03:43,514 --> 00:03:45,675 problem with, but then that does kick it 95 00:03:45,675 --> 00:03:48,360 out to 10 miles and, you know, bunch 96 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,419 of other regulations 97 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:52,360 kick in for those flying. But, you know, 98 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,219 on the ground, you know, 99 00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:56,379 they built the airport 100 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,439 in a congested area. And, you know, they 101 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:01,500 protect the 102 00:04:01,955 --> 00:04:02,354 the, 103 00:04:02,754 --> 00:04:03,254 approaches 104 00:04:03,955 --> 00:04:06,435 pretty well, you know, as far as, you 105 00:04:06,435 --> 00:04:08,194 know, that goes. But, you know, one of 106 00:04:08,194 --> 00:04:10,354 the examples in the story was East Bay 107 00:04:10,354 --> 00:04:12,275 has a water tower that's kinda up on 108 00:04:12,275 --> 00:04:14,835 the hill and very close to the approach 109 00:04:14,835 --> 00:04:16,214 to Runway 28. 110 00:04:18,099 --> 00:04:21,160 Although it's lit and it's not ridiculously 111 00:04:21,539 --> 00:04:23,860 high and, you know, when I'm flying, I 112 00:04:23,860 --> 00:04:24,360 don't 113 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:26,899 I mean, I know it's there, but it 114 00:04:26,899 --> 00:04:29,240 doesn't impede anything I'm doing 115 00:04:29,939 --> 00:04:31,319 at the height that it is. 116 00:04:32,365 --> 00:04:33,964 You don't just know your you know, you 117 00:04:33,964 --> 00:04:35,725 just know it's there, you know. And a 118 00:04:35,725 --> 00:04:37,884 lot of the modern airplanes will even point 119 00:04:37,884 --> 00:04:40,044 it out to you. It'll pop into into 120 00:04:40,044 --> 00:04:41,324 your headset and say, 121 00:04:42,125 --> 00:04:44,225 something to the effect of obstacle, 122 00:04:44,889 --> 00:04:46,650 you know, or something. And then you look 123 00:04:46,650 --> 00:04:48,650 at the screen, and and you can see 124 00:04:48,650 --> 00:04:50,009 where it's supposed to be. And you look 125 00:04:50,009 --> 00:04:51,370 out the window and say, yep. There it 126 00:04:51,370 --> 00:04:52,830 is. Cool. No problem. 127 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:54,430 You know? So 128 00:04:55,050 --> 00:04:55,949 I don't know 129 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:59,705 if 10 miles is necessary, and I don't 130 00:04:59,705 --> 00:05:00,264 know if, 131 00:05:01,064 --> 00:05:03,865 you know, like, somebody building a tall building 132 00:05:03,865 --> 00:05:06,685 downtown should have to worry too much about 133 00:05:07,305 --> 00:05:09,384 air traffic because, you know, like I said, 134 00:05:09,384 --> 00:05:10,685 the approaches are 135 00:05:11,300 --> 00:05:13,480 clear as far as obstacles. 136 00:05:14,660 --> 00:05:15,400 One other 137 00:05:15,779 --> 00:05:17,699 instance they were talking about is the old 138 00:05:17,699 --> 00:05:18,680 Tebow florist 139 00:05:20,420 --> 00:05:21,480 property there 140 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:23,560 on 8th Street. 141 00:05:24,394 --> 00:05:27,055 They're building some sort of an apartment complex 142 00:05:27,194 --> 00:05:27,694 there. 143 00:05:29,035 --> 00:05:31,754 And if this ordinance goes into effect, they 144 00:05:31,754 --> 00:05:34,475 would have to apply for a variance because 145 00:05:34,475 --> 00:05:36,574 it is kinda sorta on the 146 00:05:37,035 --> 00:05:38,095 approach to 147 00:05:38,475 --> 00:05:40,175 Runway 18. But, 148 00:05:40,529 --> 00:05:42,210 you know, whatever they build, there's not gonna 149 00:05:42,210 --> 00:05:44,050 be taller than the trees that are already 150 00:05:44,050 --> 00:05:46,210 there. I mean, for crying out loud, there's 151 00:05:46,210 --> 00:05:49,009 trees and, you know, was power lines, but 152 00:05:49,009 --> 00:05:50,069 those are gone, 153 00:05:50,610 --> 00:05:53,730 along Parsons Road, by the graveyard. There you 154 00:05:53,730 --> 00:05:55,509 know, there's trees there that are, 155 00:05:56,004 --> 00:05:56,665 you know, 156 00:05:57,045 --> 00:05:59,045 you don't get super close to them coming 157 00:05:59,045 --> 00:06:00,485 in, but, you still 158 00:06:01,045 --> 00:06:02,725 you know, I don't see them as a 159 00:06:02,725 --> 00:06:04,645 hazard. I did just you just gotta know 160 00:06:04,645 --> 00:06:05,384 they're there. 161 00:06:06,085 --> 00:06:08,165 And, you know, none of the airliners and 162 00:06:08,165 --> 00:06:10,904 stuff use that particular runway generally. 163 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:13,899 So I don't know. Interesting 164 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:14,779 proposal. 165 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,560 Like I said, I don't know if 10 166 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,039 miles is necessary. It just sounds like extra 167 00:06:20,039 --> 00:06:21,339 paperwork for people, 168 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:24,060 that are wanting to build stuff. 169 00:06:24,824 --> 00:06:26,504 Of course, you know, on the other hand, 170 00:06:26,504 --> 00:06:28,504 yeah, I kinda would like to see Traverse 171 00:06:28,504 --> 00:06:30,824 City not turn into a a town full 172 00:06:30,824 --> 00:06:33,545 of big buildings, but, you know, progress is 173 00:06:33,545 --> 00:06:36,105 progress. I don't know if, there's anything I'm 174 00:06:36,105 --> 00:06:37,324 gonna do about it. 175 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:39,509 Anyway, sorry. I went a little long on 176 00:06:39,509 --> 00:06:41,370 that. Let's get to the weather. 177 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:45,509 Today, a slight chance of drizzle after 1PM, 178 00:06:45,509 --> 00:06:48,470 increasing clouds with a high near 44, so 179 00:06:48,470 --> 00:06:51,670 the snow melt continues. I love it. Welcome 180 00:06:51,670 --> 00:06:52,170 to 181 00:06:52,735 --> 00:06:53,235 to, 182 00:06:54,415 --> 00:06:56,835 what what was that? March mudness? 183 00:06:58,415 --> 00:06:58,915 Anyway, 184 00:06:59,215 --> 00:07:01,395 light variable wind to be coming east 185 00:07:01,775 --> 00:07:03,295 five to 10 miles per hour in the 186 00:07:03,295 --> 00:07:07,074 morning. Patchy fog, tonight after 10PM. 187 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,000 Otherwise, cloudy with a low around thirty four. 188 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,800 So it's gonna stay above freezing overnight. That's, 189 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,980 also good for snow removal. 190 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:18,899 Tomorrow showers, a possible thunderstorm 191 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:20,980 mainly after 4PM. 192 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:22,740 High near 57. 193 00:07:23,414 --> 00:07:25,495 So that's probably the warmest it's been. I 194 00:07:25,495 --> 00:07:27,595 I don't know 57, but thunderstorms, 195 00:07:28,055 --> 00:07:29,194 I don't want those. 196 00:07:29,735 --> 00:07:32,294 Anyway, southeast wind five to 10 miles per 197 00:07:32,294 --> 00:07:33,435 hour. Chance precipitation 198 00:07:34,055 --> 00:07:35,595 is 80%. 199 00:07:37,289 --> 00:07:39,870 So with that, we'll call this an episode. 200 00:07:40,009 --> 00:07:41,529 Like I said, sorry. I went a little 201 00:07:41,529 --> 00:07:42,430 long, but 202 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:44,829 I thought it was, an interesting 203 00:07:45,370 --> 00:07:47,849 story. Of course, I use the the Traverse 204 00:07:47,849 --> 00:07:49,930 City ticker a lot for these kind of 205 00:07:49,930 --> 00:07:52,064 stories that I read on here. If you 206 00:07:52,064 --> 00:07:52,964 have something 207 00:07:53,584 --> 00:07:55,904 other that you'd like me to cover, please 208 00:07:55,904 --> 00:07:58,805 email me, mike@mikedell.com. 209 00:07:59,904 --> 00:08:02,224 You can find that email address over at 210 00:08:02,224 --> 00:08:04,485 cup of Traverse City dot com. 211 00:08:05,104 --> 00:08:06,404 Catch me tomorrow.