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Our special guest today is Scott Walker.
Scott Walter is the president of Capil Research Center.
He served as in the George Bush administration as an assistant to the president for domestic policy and was vice president of the philanthropic roundtable.
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He has written for and been quoted in many outlets, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and The Chronicle of Philanthropy.
Today we're discussing his book, Arabella, The Dark Money Network of Leftist Billionaires Secretly Transforming America.
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Well, hello, Scott, and welcome to the Tenpenny Files.
Welcome.
Thank you so much for being here.
Well, it's great to be with you.
Well, I want to start with how did you discover this network and what led you to the investigation on a topic that so few people know anything about?
Well, you know, we first uncovered them back in ugly Kavanaugh Summer.
If you remember the summer uh where Brett Kavanaugh was smeared uh by the ever more vicious left uh uh during his nomination to the Supreme Court.
And but it actually happened before we knew Brett Kavanaugh was going to be nominated.
I got a call from a longtime friend at the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Uh, and she said this was after Justice Kennedy had announced he would be retiring, uh, but before the president had nominated any anyone to take his place, and she calls me up very agitated and says, we don't even have a nominee yet.
And yet Chairman Grassley and the committee and the president, everybody's being trashed uh on TV, radio, online by something called demand justice.
And we've never heard of this, and uh, we can't find anything out about it, you know.
Uh, what should we do?
And I said, well, I'll be honest, I haven't heard of demand justice either, but we at Capital Research can do something.
So we uh quickly dug into this entity and discovered surprise.
Uh it had been launched uh only a couple of months earlier, which is why none of us had heard of it.
And it was launched with a million or two from good old George Soros, um, who had had been pitched on this, his uh his folks had been pitched on it uh at a democracy alliance meeting.
Democracy Alliance is a cabal of billionaires and sentimillionaires on the left uh that Soros co-founded with Peter Lewis and some years ago.
And uh they try to invest in left-wing infrastructure uh in the nonprofit world uh to win elections and change public policy.
So uh we were able to supply the committee with uh the fact of the Soros money and also uh the initial staffers who were going to be working there and where they came from.
Uh the lead staffer had previously been a uh had been the spokesman for the Hillary Clinton campaign, but for president, but obviously he was out needed a new job.
Um so uh he started demand justice in order to attack all of the judicial nominees of Donald Trump in his first administration.
Now, that was just demand justice, though.
What we quickly determined is demand justice didn't really exist, didn't have an independent legal entity by that name.
It was a fiscally sponsored project of the 1630 fund.
Uh and you say, well, I've never heard of the 1630 fund either, and there had been there'd been one or two stories about 1630 fund, but that was all.
But when we found the 1630 fund, we kept digging.
And so what we further uncovered was that the 1630 fund was run by something called Arabella Advisors, and at the same address, they ran Arabella Advisors ran several other nonprofits, and each of those nonprofits sponsors dozens or even hundreds in some cases of these fake groups like Demand Justice.
Uh and that is how we uncovered the whole empire of hundreds of nonprofits, well, sorry, hundreds of groups for coming from about a half dozen nonprofits.
And at that time, poor little Arabella, they weren't so rich.
They only had about 750 million a year going into their nonprofits.
Now they're at the million to a million and a half a year of uh money going into those nonprofits.
Wow, that is that's disturbing.
And as president of Capital Research Center, what does your organization do?
Uh well, exactly the sort of thing I was just uh describing there.
Uh we study the we investigate the left deeply and we expose it widely.
Uh, and we especially follow the money because that's not the only thing that matters, but it's you know, it tells you that this Arabella network is big and powerful and important.
And such an innocuous innocuous name, Arabella.
It just sounds so sweet and loving and kind.
And it's just the antithesis of that, I think.
Yeah, well, well, you know, there's literally uh, you know, characters have women characters will have that name in, you know, Charles Dickens or Anthony Trollope 19th century novels.
I'm not, I don't remember one in a Jane Austen, although maybe there's one in a Jane Austen too.
There's definitely in Trollope and all.
But here's the thing.
There's a can I tell you the great story behind the name because it's it's very interesting.
Now, the man who founded Arabella in 2005, Eric Kessler.
Uh he is a big environmentalist.
In fact, uh, I should later on maybe I can tell you the story of how he got radicalized as an undergraduate uh in the 90s uh by uh an environmental wacko.
Uh but in any event, his greatest single passions, environmentalism.
So he uh he is uh passionate about environmentalism, and he's starting Arabella advisors in 2005 in a small way, it wasn't a big operation to start with.
And uh now, what was going on in the 2000s, that decade.
Environmentalists were working very hard to try to seduce uh evangelical Christians into joining the environmentalist bandwagon.
Um, believe what was the the the you know, the left always has these great uh you know, great names and slogans.
It was creation stewardship, something I'm not getting it quite right, but they had a they had a slick name.
Um because they wanted, you know, now cynical me.
I have the odd thought that you know, if you looked at the political landscape, you would say, man, I'd sure like to claw away some of the white evangelical vote from the Republican Party.
Um in my more cynical moments, I suspect the left was trying to do that by trying to rebrand environmentalism as this lovely Christian creation care.
I think that may have been it, creation care.
But anyway, they were trying to go after the those evangelicals now.
Arabella is not just an Anthony Trollope character name.
It is also the name of the ship on which uh John Winthrop, the great American Puritan, sailed to America.
And by the way, what year did that ship leave for America?
1630.
And what did I just tell you was the name of one of the nonprofits they created?
1630, right?
And another they created was Hopewell.
Guess what?
That's another ship that Puritans sailed to the new world to found America.
Oh, and what was yet another of the nonprofits?
Well, its name is windward fund.
Well, if you know sailing ships, windward is another sailing term.
So hard not to imagine that this was uh going to be, hey, nobody here but us lovers of the early American Puritans.
Yeah, what a what an evil we web they weave to of deception because it sounds so good.
And I mean, who wouldn't want to be part of sailing ships?
I want to ask you to describe Arabella design uh advisors.
Um in your book, you call them the darkest of dark money.
But first, before that, what is dark money and how does Arabella funding model different from traditional pack donations um and other um uh government agencies that that fund uh policies the term dark money was coined back in 2010 uh by a left-leaning group, uh the Sunshine Foundation, and they used it to apply to 501 C4 nonprofits.
Now uh for ordinary folks, a C4 nonprofit is uh two easy examples from right and left, the National Rifle Associations of 501 C4, the League of Conservation Voters, founded by the way, by the guy who radicalized Arabella's founder.
That's you know, a lefty uh C4.
So those are those are not 501 C3s, C3s are charitable institutions.
Um, so you know, if you get a tax deduction for writing a check to it, it's a 501 C3.
Okay.
So they are not, they have a lot more restrictions on them than the C4s do for politicking.
Uh C4s can endorse candidates, you know, they can uh they can uh register voters for one political party only, um, that sort of thing, or or make issue ads.
Obviously, you know, League of Conservation Voters, National Rifle Association, right?
They're out there fighting in their endorsing candidates and they're fighting political fights.
So that kind of nonprofit was what the term originally applied to, because 2010 is when the Supreme Court handed down the Citizens United decision, which said that those C4 nonprofits and labor unions and corporations could spend on limited amounts of money in politics as long as they weren't coordinating directly with a particular uh political campaign.
So they could say we endorse this candidate, um, but they couldn't uh they couldn't, you know, collude with the candidate to for you know for particular purposes.
So the three and the reason it's called dark is because while you know the Joe Biden for president campaign or the Republican National Committee, if or a traditional PAC, if you give money to those places, if you give 200 or more, they're required by law to reveal.
Hey, Dr.
Sherry, she gave us, you know, 500 bucks.
Um, but if you give 500 bucks to uh the 1630 fund, which is a C4 that Arabella runs, they don't have to say Dr.
Sherry gave them a penny.
So you stay in the dark.
And that was the idea of dark money.
Now, since then it's been such a popular term that uh it's now applied to all kinds of things, including things that are uh including things like you know, a foundation a private foundation's giving, which is every penny of which is reported.
So uh it's you know, it's become a kind of wobbly term.
Um, but the general idea is it's money where you're not sure you see you see where the money ended up, but you're not sure where the money started out.
Did Dr.
Sherry give them the money?
Did Scott Walter give them the money?
Did George Soros give them the money?
So in essence, it means hidden.
Um, because frequently when I've heard the term, just as it's thrown about by mainstream media or in books, when I think of dark money, I think of dirty money.
I think that it's you know evil and and subscripted.
And uh to a certain sense, I think it is, and you kind of bring that out in your book when you said that Arabella raised over 2.4 billion dollars in the last election cycle.
I mean, where does that money come from and how is it used to shape outcomes?
Uh the um it actually it was 2.4 uh billion in the 2020 cycle, last presidential cycle in 2022, uh it was three billion.
And we don't know for the 2024 cycle because they haven't had to uh they get basically about a year before they have to file with their IRS public disclosures about what they've raised, what they've spent.
So who knows what it'll be in 24?
But um the uh uh remember they have half a dozen nonprofits.
Some of them are C3s, the charitable types, some of them are C4s, the political type.
And um, so the uh but the the money that they raise mostly comes from big donors, whether that uh is billionaires writing personal checks uh or huge foundations like the Gates Foundation or the Soros' Open Society Foundations, the three biggest donors uh are uh in the past at least have been Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, and George Soros.
Now, and I should say though that Bill Gates very recently announced he wasn't going to give them another penny.
Um that news leaked, they leaked that to the New York Times, and it appeared in the news the same day that Bill Gates got a one-on-one sit-down with Donald Trump.
So my uh speculation there is that he was uh doing this as a peace offering to the president.
Uh the president's called Arabella advisors public enemy number one.
So uh I think that Gates thought that saying that he was going to cut off this big lefty uh uh funding network would be a way to soften up the the president to him.
Are these um these groups with Arabella?
Because you've mentioned a couple of times that they fund uh like splinter groups, and you've called them in your book, pop-up groups that they just popped up out of nowhere.
They gave them a name, and some of them are uh filed as C4s, some aren't.
Um can you give us a few examples of who they might be and how they operate?
And is that related to Antifa at all?
And what uh you know, President Trump is now calling Antifa as a terrorist organization.
Is that trying to chop off the limbs of the Arabella movement?
Uh sure let's see.
So to start with, um, I'll give you some some names.
Again, the left is wonderful at marketing.
All the names sound just swell.
Uh Floridians for a fair shake, secure Michigan elections, opportunity Wisconsin.
Keep Iowa healthy, right?
They sound wonderful, and they want you to think that it's some of your neighbors have gotten together because they're upset about something, right?
When in fact, it's just some doofus at a little desk in DC who's can created a website uh and bought some Facebook ads.
Uh, I mean, so that's why we call them fake groups, right?
I would happily bet a hundred dollars that the guy who crafted the logo for keep Iowa Healthy and created the website.
I'd bet you a hundred bucks he is probably net never met an Iowan in his life.
Wow.
Um so uh that's fake, right?
That's very fake.
Um the uh now um as far as the uh Antifa goes, um, as you know, the more ill the more illegality a lefty group commits, the harder they work to to stay in the dark, right?
Um, on the one hand, it's a shameful lie to say that, oh, Antifa is just an idea or an ideology or whatever.
It's like, well,
It's not like the ACLU where you can go say, here's their national headquarters at this address.
But it is an organization.
It's just, it is a decentralized organization, admittedly.
Uh and it works very hard to stay in the shadows, cover its tracks.
Um, which means it's not as easy to trace as some of these things, like the ones I was just rattling off for you there.
But um, and and so far as we have been able to tell, so thus far.
It isn't clear that the Arabella network has done much funding of the most radical groups.
Um there is, but this probably the second largest and most important left-wing uh network that functions like Arabella.
Uh, that's the one that the Tides Foundation is the centerpiece of.
You have the Tides Foundation, the Tide Center, Tides Advocacy.
There's about a half dozen of them.
Um, by the way, you should go to our website.
Um, you should go to our website, uh, influencewatch.org.
That is our online Wikipedia of the left.
You can all these groups I'm mentioning, all these people, everything's on there.
You can get a whole much deeper dive.
I warn you, you'll you'll lose five hours of your life the first time you go on the site because you keep going down all these rabbit holes.
Um, but it also documents everything I'm saying.
So don't believe me.
Go to Influence Watch, look at the footnotes, see if we're not documenting all of this.
But um, and so it and you can go there and you can look up like Tides Nexus, and that gives you the landscape of I believe uh the seven different, I believe there's at least seven entities um that make up this family of this in this network.
And they do the same sorts of things.
They fiscally sponsor groups, right, that don't have their own independent legal existence.
And again, that lets that means you can't trace the money, right?
I know people who gave money to Tide Center, and I know Tide Center fiscally sponsored all these groups, but which donor sponsored which group, right?
What you know, you you can't, you know where the money's going.
Plus, the other thing for those sponsored groups is they don't have to do what, you know, what my C3, Capital Research Center is a C3.
Happy to take your donations, give you tax deduction.
Um, but guess what?
I have to file every year with the IRS and make public the salaries of all our biggest employers, uh, employees.
I've tell you what what my biggest vendors are, you know, who the plate outside places I spent the most money on, have to tell you how much money I took in, how much money I put out, have to list my board members, have to tell you, am I doing first trash first class travel?
What did I spend on fundraising?
All these things I have to report every year.
Um keep Iowa's healthy.
Uh-uh, they don't.
They're just one little project under um one of those Arabella nonprofits that has dozens or hundreds of these things.
So again, you can't begin to figure these things out.
And especially, you know, in the case like it matters, right?
Um, the Washington Post was uh a couple years ago is trying to attack us over something.
They didn't just try to call me and my communications director.
They went and called all my board members because they had their names.
Well, probably keep Iowans Healthy doesn't have board members.
And if it did, you wouldn't know their names.
Wow.
Well, hold that thought, right?
Hold that thought right there, Scott, because that is a really really interesting topic, and it shows us all of the things that are happening behind the scenes that we don't know anything about.
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Welcome back, everyone.
Today we're talking to Scott Walker about his book, Arabella, The Dark Money Network of Leftist Billionaires Secretly Transforming America.
You know, you mentioned um Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, and George Soros.
Those are really names that are well known to the public and are have become quite not quite not I'm not sure what the right word is.
They're not very palatable.
That's what I was trying to say.
And I'm really concerned, and I've thought about this for years.
Maybe you can explain this to me.
How is George Soros still an American citizen?
Shouldn't he be charged with trees and
Maybe sedition for all of the things that we know for sure that he's been involved in and all of the the organizations that he's funded against America and there were and now you're on you're revealing hundreds more that he may be involved in in the destruction of America.
How is that legal and how is that happening?
Uh well, um the nonprofit sector uh gets extremely little enforcement of its laws.
Um this is uh and especially the left-wing side gets very little, right?
I'm sure you remember from about a decade ago uh the Lois Lerner scandal at the IRS, right?
Lois Lerner was a high-ranking IRS official in charge of all nonprofits, and she harassed around 300 conservative groups who were trying to be recognized by the IRS and participate in the 2012 election.
Almost all those groups were of the C4 type, the political type that can you know try to win elections legitimately.
Now, on the left, they use the C3 charities to try to win elections too.
That's a whole nother story, and that's outrageous because of course that's not legal, but um, but anyway, she held up hundreds of these, and basically sidelined them so they were not able to operate in the 2012 election.
There's a very interesting uh research paper by an economist from Harvard, one from Sweden, and one from the American Enterprise Institute, and looks at how much conservative C4 groups, the difference that they made in prior elections, and says uh that actually if Lois Lerner had not been doing this, there's reason to believe that Barack Obama would not have won the 2008 election because the the conservative the all that many conservative groups would have boosted conservative turnout and Obama would have lost.
So, other than Miss Lerner and what she did, there isn't a lot of enforcement of these nonprofit laws.
Um now, as for criminal uh prosecutions, that is a lot harder.
Um so we should have, you know, we should be very uh clear-eyed.
Uh it is not an easy thing to prove a conspiracy charge or an aiding and a betting charge, especially in the case of nonprofits.
You'd have to you'd have to prove that uh Soros or other board members knew their money was going to be used for illegal activities and colluded with the people who were committing the the criminal activities and the rest.
Um now if if there was a deep investigation, I don't know what you'd find.
Obviously, I you know I don't have access to their private files and communications.
Um in general, it is very tricky to do prosecutions like that in the nonprofit world, and prosecutors traditionally haven't done it.
You know, they'd be very hard.
There are not not many cases you could find at all of examples of anybody being prosecuted like that.
And then, as I said, even just the plain old nonprofit laws, for instance, the ones that say that charitable groups are not supposed to be doing partisan voter registration, which we have a whole huge report on that.
Um, how charities secretly win elections, um, go to capital or the main websites, capitalresearch.org.
You can look up that long report.
It's it's stunning what it documents.
Um, but the left has been for decades, they've been using charitable money to pay for and charitable groups to carry out partisan voter registration, even though C3s are absolutely not supposed to be partisan actors in elections.
You know, it sounds like the way to craft out the perfect crime.
I mean, if you are wanting to do uh, you know, election manipulation, manipulation of the Supreme Court, uh all sorts of things from a political standpoint, it sounds like being able to set up these organizations are the perfect crime to be able to commit that.
Um, would you see it that way too?
Well, you know, there's a reason that Arabella is able to get billions of dollars.
Uh, you know, if they wouldn't be getting those billions if there was no return on the investment.
So you you are quite right that now part of this, by the way, is yet yet another left-wing crime, as it were to, as it were.
Um, it it rhetorically speaking, it is a crime that the left has succeeded in pushing so-called campaign finance reform on us.
The gist of campaign finance reform is to squeeze uh dollars out of the regular political things like campaigns, Republican National Committee, uh, you know, the the so-called hard dollars, right?
Um, those get disclosed.
That's not particularly controversial, but campaign finance reform makes it greatly limits the it uh the way money can get in there, right?
Like you have a couple thousand dollars is all you can give a candidate in a general election, right?
That's ridiculous.
You can't, I mean, I don't think highly of our elected officials, but I don't think any of them are for sale for a couple of grand.
Um that's you know, they're they may have a price, it's higher than that.
So there you're squeezing money out of that world, but money is like water, it's gonna go somewhere.
Because it's squeezed out of that world, it goes into the C4 and C3 worlds.
And by the way, they're not touched by campaign finance reform at all.
Ain't no limit on what the Ford Foundation can spend.
Um, and by the way, for Arabella, there's no you'll you have no limits of any kind, right?
There for all those nonprofits Arabella has, you can give them 50 billion dollars if you want to.
There's absolutely no monetary limit.
The second thing there's no limit to is on foreigners.
One of their biggest sugar daddies from the very beginning is Hans Jurg Vies.
He is a Swiss national.
He does not have American citizenship.
He doesn't even have a green card, right?
Um, and he has given them uh hundreds of millions of dollars uh over the years.
And as I said, he was also one of their very as far as we can tell, he was the first real sugar daddy.
Um the first one to ever give them a million dollars.
Uh so the there's no limit on foreign sources of funds for this stuff.
Uh so if we changed our laws so that it was easier to give to the political parties and the political campaigns and the traditional PACs, uh, you would have a whole lot less of all these other things.
Now, by the way, the last big campaign finance law that was passed was the McCain Feingold Law back in the early 2000s.
Would you care to guess who spent virtually every penny of money that was put into that?
No, no, eight eight billionaires.
Uh and they and they all had the same last name.
Uh, I'll let you guess that one, but it's a hard Rockefeller.
Oh, that's not a bad guess.
But no, the last name of those eight owners was foundation.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Ford Foundation, Open Society Foundation, but Carnegie Foundation.
So eight of those guys for a decade spent almost all the money that was spent to push campaign finance reform.
And they finally got what they wanted, and it did nothing to diminish their spending uh or political strength.
As I said, not at all, not a bit.
Um, and after the the law was passed, and shame on McCain and a few other Republicans for going along with it.
Uh after the law was passed, the main ringleader for the whole operation, because like a the biggest chunk of money by far came from Pew Charitable Trusts, another foundation.
And the guy who ran the campaign there for a decade was giving a talk to some journalists out in California, which luckily somebody videotaped.
And he was teasing those journalists.
He said, we just won this huge fight.
We've been fighting for 10 years to pass this bill, and none of you guys caught the story, which is that we were the ones pushing it.
We puke charitable trusts were the ringleader with a lot of nice checks from people like Ford Foundation.
Um, in addition, he said, you guys never caught on.
You never figured it out.
And he said, we and and he said, and it's as far as I know it's true.
He said, we didn't violate any laws.
That is to say, they revealed the grants they were making on their nine nine on their IRS filings.
But we urged all the people getting money to push, all the groups who got the money to push this.
We urged them never to mention us because we knew if Congress knew this was a Pew Charitable Trust thing, it wouldn't go through.
So he said, we want.
His very words were we wanted to create the appearance of a mass movement for campaign finance reform.
Now, Sherry, how's this?
Pew does do some good polling.
So just weeks before the idiots in Congress passed the law, Pew polling did a poll, and they ask Americans, here are 22 issues, rank them in order of importance to you, the American voter.
The absolute last was campaign finance reform.
So they literally knew that Americans didn't give a darn about this nonsense.
But by funding every imaginable kind of group, like they had Hispanic groups and old people groups and young people groups and poor groups and black groups and this, that all these groups had been pounding on the table saying, oh, we really want campaign finance reform because their puppet master donors were pushing them.
The press were stupid and never figured it out.
And the um uh and they got their law.
Isn't that nice?
You know, Scott, um, you've been in and around politics for a long time.
You know, you were part of the Bush administration early on, and you've been in the Washington area kind of as a think tank and investigative and investigative tank for a long time.
Reading your book, Arabella, and learning about these things in detail.
I think that a lot of people who haven't read your book yet will be hugely surprised, and there'll be a set of people that will be somewhat surprised because we've known about these things, but not in the detail that you bring it forth.
And I, as I read through your book, I found it quite discouraging, you know, that it's really not we the people and all this goate rah-rah and the mega maha movement stuff of things that are going on now, and and that, you know, if we spend our time going to Washington, DC and walking around to all the halls of of the Rayburn building and trying to talk to senators and congressmen and showing up at hearings to try to make a difference and show that you know you're here representing us, and here we are, and we're following you, particularly in this administration, that we're really following the cabinet members.
I mean, I've said several times to people in the last four presidencies or longer, can you name anybody that was on the cabinet?
And most people would say no.
And now this particular cabinet, we know all of them, if not most of them, and know what they're doing, and we follow them depending on what our individual needs are, our individual interests are.
And it just seems like it's a lot of charade.
You know, when you've got big, big money, huge money, like sorrows and gates and um, you know, Zuckerberg, and now you mentioned all the foundations, and we know about the foundation money and how dark that has been for a really long time, pulling the strings and pushing the buttons.
Is it really worth our effort to kind of try to be we the people when you've got this big dark money organizations pushing and pulling all the strings behind the scenes?
Yeah, well, uh, I I will be honest, the most common comment after I give a talk is you really depress me.
Uh uh, but um uh I have two thoughts on that.
And one of the thoughts is we should never forget that a handful of backwoods colonials knocked down the biggest empire the world had ever seen because they were attached to America's founding principles, right?
Now, if you're really gloomy, you'll come back at me and say, yeah, that was two and a half centuries ago.
Uh but what I would say, the second thing I would say is what is the left number one agenda item for the entire left to shut you up, to silence you, to cancel you, to deplatform you, to censor you.
Now, I understand that you may feel powerless after you hear me talk or read some of my book, but if you were powerless, they would not be so desperate to silence you.
Uh, you are dangerous.
Uh, you're not powerless, you're dangerous.
And, you know, right after the 2016 election, you saw Twitter and Google and Facebook and all, and all they're you know, all those meetings where they're sobbing and hysterical, like, oh my God, this is our fault that that the evil orange man won and it's our fault.
Well, you know, they they weren't really wrong because social media platforms let Americans talk to one another without gatekeepers, without censorship.
Now, obviously, they then turned right around and try to create new gatekeeping and censorship and all this.
But the point is, by their nature, they let Americans talk.
And you got to remember three quarters of Americans agree with at least three quarters of what you think, right?
Um, yeah, I mean, there are crazies out in the street.
There are not a lot of them.
Uh, most people are not remotely like that.
So the left has the problem that if Americans talk to each other, their natural conservatism wins out.
The other problem it has is like we have better arguments.
If people hear both sides, again, a big majority is go to our sides.
If I like we just did a big report on homelessness, right?
And we said the harm reduction, you know, goofy lefty thing is really stupid.
That's like we're gonna you got a fentanyl or heroin addiction, great, we're gonna help you with with clean needles, right?
And you know, you're probably not gonna get over the fentanyl and the heroin with clean needles, right?
Or we're gonna give you some government subsidized housing.
Well, and you're schizophrenic.
Well, you know, the government subsidized housing sounds nice, but I'm not sure it's gonna cure schizophrenia, right?
So people know that you huge majorities know this.
Well, one of my favorite things, I care about election integrity.
You know, to listen to the mainstream media, you would think that only people who own a Ku Klux Klan hood are in favor of uh voter ID.
When actually huge majorities of every single demographic support voter ID.
That's like an 80, 20, 90, 10 thing.
Or we do we're talking about foreign money going into Arabella's nonprofits.
The percentage of Americans who think that foreigners should be putting big money into our elections, that's not even 10%.
So by the way, uh, who's when Ohio banned foreign money from uh ballot initiative funding in Ohio recently, who went to sue them?
Mark Elias, the Democrat super lawyer.
Oh, and by the way, he's also the lawyer for Hans Jürg Wies.
So, but I will say this.
Be sure you say over and over, these are the people trying to suppress democracy.
Democracy wants voter ID and they're trying to suppress it.
Democracy wants foreign money out of our elections, and they're trying to suppress uh that uh any policy like that.
What is the what is their end game, Scott?
You know, this is the thing as a as a conservative Christian woman that I am, and very strongly leaning right.
I just, it's like if you want to destroy America and you want it to all go away, you want to shred up the constitution, you want to let open the open open doors and every foreign person come in and take over your land, your schools, your churches.
I mean, uh, what is their end game?
What do they really want?
And why do they not think that it also applies to them?
I mean, if they bring in Marxism and socialism, is it only going to apply to the to the conservative people and not to them, and they get to continue on their life?
I mean, I could not imagine a group of Christian people going into Saudi Arabia and saying, we're gonna take over this land here, and we're gonna put a Christian church right in the middle of it.
We're not gonna have anything to do with Sharia law or any of your laws here.
We're gonna follow our constitution and be allowed to even utter those words, let alone build buildings and build houses.
I mean, what is the end game of the end game of people like Arabella advisors and people of their ilk?
Uh well, uh the one the last chapter in the book, by the way, get gets into this because people are always asking me that.
And I can't, you know, what Woody Allen said he had a friend who cheated on his metaphysics exam by looking into the soul of the student next to him.
Um I I'm not, I'm not, I don't have that gift.
But so all I can do is see is look at patterns.
And the pattern that I see with Arabella um and a lot of the left is they are always about centralizing all power and authority in Washington.
And they are never in favor of anything that is gonna have you or your family or your neighborhood or your town have more freedom, authority, responsibility.
Um, and the, you know, speaking of Christianity, I think this fits with something that St.
Augustine taught, right?
Um, he didn't just talk about lust of the body.
When we talk about lust, we think about you know, just bodily lust, but he said, no, there's a more powerful lust than that, and it's libido dominandi, the lust for power, control, dominance.
And uh not every billionaire is like that, but the kind of billionaires that give money to Arabella, that very much seems to be um the way they look at it.
And both the Bible and the ancient philosophers like Plato and Aristotle were very clear.
Human wants are infinite.
Now, Christian would say that's because we're made to be to have communion with the infinite God.
Um, but you don't have to believe that just to believe the brute fact.
People are not satisfied.
The ordinary person who's not a billionaire thinks, oh, if I had a billion dollars, I'd just be lying around my yacht and you know, drinking rum drinks or something, right?
But um apparently that's not the case.
When you have a billion dollars, apparently that's frequently not the case.
Uh, you don't just want to lie around the yacht.
You want more, more, more.
Those infinite desires that we have in us, uh, you and I would say placed in us by the infinite God who created us.
You know, they're not easily satisfied.
I think that's really well stated.
I think I've read something similar to that.
That when you have all the money in the world or more money than you could ever spend in 10 lifetimes, it's not about possessions anymore.
It's about control, about power, um, and who can move countries and and manipulate things at the biggest level.
I think I've read something about that before, and I think that's really true.
I think that's really well said.
Well, Scott Walker, your book, Arabella, The Dark Money Network and the Leftist of the Leftist Billionaires Secretly Transforming America.
We've got just a few minutes left here in our in our conversation today.
What would be your take-home message from your book that you would want people to walk away from after they've read it?
Uh, well, I think one important thing is uh, and this gets back to the don't despair.
You're not supposed to be despairing.
Um, for last I checked for a Christian, the job description is picking up a cross every day, right?
So um uh you shouldn't despair.
And one reason you shouldn't despair is that what you and I are doing right here is a very powerful weapon against um the Arabella schemes.
You know, the Arabella scheme is essentially the Wizard of Oz.
Now, remember the movie, beginning of the movie, the wizard's big, powerful, scary.
He powerfully influences Dorothy, doesn't he?
But later, somebody pulls the curtain back, and you see it's just some old guy at a microphone, as I said now, it's just some probably some young guy at a computer.
Um, once Dorothy sees that, is the wizard powerful anymore?
Right?
It doesn't, it doesn't work when you so what you and I are doing here, educating people about what's going on.
That is a that's a tremendous weakening of the wizard's ability to scare and influence people.
Wow, how strong and a powerful closing message that is.
That is that's really brilliant.
And you're right, you know, when the is when the emperor when people really realize the emperor has no clothes and it and points it out to the emperor, we win.
So I think that's really, really good.
So, Scott, are there other places other than your book that that we can follow you or on social media or places um inside of your organization that you well people can look at more of the work that you've done and more of the writings that you have?
Well, uh, capitalresearch.org is our main site, and you can sign up for a uh twice-a-month newsletter that'll just give not money begging, but giving you our greatest hits of our research each each two weeks.
Um, influencewatch.org, as I said, is our Wikipedia of the left.
Looks and feels like Wikipedia has all the the groups and people we've been talking about on there.
Um the dogefiles uh.org is another site where we give you the worst grants from all the major federal departments uh that your tax dollars have gone to.
Now that talk about depressing, that's depressing.
But uh, those are three three great websites uh to take a look at.
And then, yes, if you go to the capitalresearch.org, the main site, you'll have links to our Instagram and uh Twitter and Facebook and all that, and we'd love to have you follow us on those.
Well, I want to thank you so much for your work, number one, and number two, most important, more importantly, for being on our show with us here today.
Um, this is just an amazing uh revelation.
This is another layer of assault on America and American citizens and our way of life.
And it's somewhere between the woke agenda and the billions of dark money that our freedoms are being taken away.
And we're really hopeful that conversations like this, and as Scott just pointed out, they're very important conversations because once you know what you know, you can't unknow it.
And when you continue to have conversations about important issues that expose things, um, we the people still do have power.
We still do have uh voting power, we still do have language.
I've been involved more in American politics in since this election, particularly because of Secretary Kennedy being head of HHS, who's been a longtime friend of mine and a person that I've done a lot of work with over the years, um, been more involved with than ever.
And we do make a difference.
I mean, the representatives were saying things like they have never in all of their history of being down in Congress, representatives and senators saying we've seen so many people show up for a hearing for confirmation of a cabinet member.
And so we have really gotten their attention.
And this book, Arabella, um, is really an important, really important book.
Arabella, the full title of the book is Arabella, the dark money network of leftist billionaires secretly transforming America.
And once we know what that is, we can stop that.
So this is very important.
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