Curtis Stone 2026 Unedited- AUDIO - Raw

00:00:00 Speaker: All right. Well, it's good to be back with Curtis Stone, talking about all kinds of things that I never thought I'd be talking about. I never thought I'd be talking about farming. I had no interest in farming. I'm not a farmer. I used to laugh. My grandparents in Tennessee when I was a kid. I'd stay with them and they didn't have a they had like a, I don't know, maybe like a quarter acre piece of land. And it was on bordered on the lake. But they had this little garden and it wasn't very big. It was maybe, I don't know, twenty, twenty yards long by ten yards wide. I don't know, not not big. There's always food. There was so much food that they would had on their carport, like a big bucket with extra food. And they would just leave it there. And periodically I would see neighbors that would drive in down their driveway, stop, get out, grab some stuff, get in their car and leave, which they were supposed to do. It was it was like kind of known. And I thought, how is that little thing throw off so much food. It was the first time I ever really had any sort of practical understanding of food. How it how it works, how it grows. You know, being raised in like the suburbs, you just don't have that. And so it was it was like magic to me. And I never thought I'd have any interest in it. And now and I've talked to so many people in the last couple of years about farming, it's just wild, man. So it is it's amazing how abundant and productive a small piece of land can be and the right conditions. Yeah, yeah. How many people have you guys on your website? Six thousand four hundred and seventy six farms you guys have launched? Well, yeah, inadvertently. You know. Right. People? Yeah, just people that have been in our platform and then we've kind of shown them how to do it. I mean, in my career, it's got to be way more than that now because like my book came out, it's ten years, man. My book came out ten years ago, The Urban farmer. So yeah, a lot, man. You know, it's, uh, I it's funny, though, because, like, things change, you know, and I'm always. I'm the kind of guy who I've. I kind of get sick of things after ten years and I kind of do something else, and so. But, I mean, I still live on the land. I still do farm. I do all that freedom. Farmers, you know, teaches is bringing people through all the time. And we're helping people. But, you know, ever since the Covid show, freedom has become my, like, obsession, sovereignty, you know. And so that's for for myself these days. That's my more of my day to day is actually helping people with Canadian law. And that's you know, at anarcho punk we'll be hanging out next week I can't wait I know, um, and uh, yeah, that's that's what I, that's what I teach people more of now is that stuff. Because I mean, up here in Canada, it's it's crazy. At the same time, it's crazy everywhere. I don't know, I don't know if what's going on in Canada is any more crazy than it is in the US. It's just kind of like, pick your poison, right? So. Totally. Yeah. So you freedom farmers first ten years. Farmers next ten years. Freedom, right? Yeah. Pretty. Pretty much. That's what it's been for me. Yeah. Because I, I started learning the law like I've been a conspiracy guy for like, twenty six years, since I was twenty years old. I'm forty six now, but I started really reading the law in twenty fourteen because I started to get pissed. I was just like, wait a second, you want how much of my money? For what? You know, this is when the things were starting to get woke and I was just like, this is crazy. And so I started reading Canadian Law, and I just found there was all these, like, crazy loopholes. And I learned about this thing called equity. And then that opened up a whole can of worms. I started learning about trusts, and I was just like, wow, you know, it's like this whole system is set up for the billionaire class to confuse all the plebs. Yeah. And then they just get to do whatever they want because they understand it and they get taught these things. But people like us can figure these things out. It's just, you know, you got to take the time. But but yeah, that's what it is for me now, especially as we look at all these things that are telling us they're going to do right. They want digital ID and they want digital money and all this stuff. And I'm just sitting here going, I just want what's mine. You know, that's too much to ask. Is that too much to ask? I don't I don't I don't need a handout. I don't need anything free. I'm happy to take care of myself and my kids and grow our food and do all that. But I just want to know that what's mine is mine. And I'm not funding the madness. I agree, I was talking to some people who are who are more on the conservative side, and I was telling them, I'm going down to anarchy. And they're like, what is that? I'm like, it's the largest anarchist conference in the world. And I said, you know, you you get you conservative people would be surprised how much you have in common with the anarchist community and you'd like them to. They're not the type to to sit around and say, oh daddy, government, please help me. They're very do it yourself. They're out there not waiting, you know, not looking for a handout. They just they just want to work and they want to keep what's theirs. Like. You guys can relate to that. And they're like, yeah, of course. I mean, we like that too. You know, the self-sufficient mindset that the conservative, they think they have a monopoly on that and that the the leftists are always looking to the state. And so when they I was just trying to inform them that, like, you'd have a lot in common with the anarchist community because they're very proactive and results oriented and doing things, building outside of the system. And God, I mean, this current system right now is is so baffling and confusing. I mean, you're talking about understanding Canadian law, and it's like you have to learn a whole new language, right? Like the words that you think mean one thing don't mean what you thought they meant. They mean exactly legally. Like it might be one thing. And if somebody says that to you, but if somebody is from the state, is writing you a letter and calling you this particular thing, it's not like in our case in America, it would be domestic domestic terrorist, right? Like you're a domestic terrorist. Like that's like a slur. But it's legally if you're a domestic terrorist operating in the on the homeland, in the battle in the homeland is a battlefield, then you're like, no different than al Qaeda legally. So like so like there's a difference between the so when you're doing all your work, I mean, you just you don't have a law background. I mean, maybe you do now. No, I well, I do in that. You know, it's funny because I, I mean, at this point my, my law quote unquote law practice is again, I'm just a conspiracy theorist who started reading the law. But but and that's what I tell people if, if I ever do rub shoulders with people who don't really understand how I learn this stuff, and they ask why you're credentials, that's what I tell them. I just that's literally it. I'm just a guy who is paranoid about the New World Order. And then I just started reading statutory law and and I found an absolute obsession with it because I, like you, just highlighted with the definitions. I remember the first definition that I read that just blew my mind was the word includes in legalese. The word includes comes from a Latin maxim ecclesia, which means that and only that. So. And that's why when you read like, say, a contract, you'll see. It'll say including but not limited to, that's when includes means what you think it does. Because they say but not limited to but includes in legalese means this and only this. So, you know, a I remember a statute that really just blew my mind when I was first getting into this stuff was I read the Canadian Interpretations Act and it's and it says the definition of Canada includes the internal and territorial waters. So it's like what? It doesn't include land because it includes means that and only that includes means what is only said. And this is what a colleague of mine who's a lawyer. I do work with some lawyers sometimes because, like, we sometimes like, we'll sue people and stuff, so I'll use lawyers. But, um, you know, a lawyer colleague of mine says the thing about statutory law is it is explicitly inclusive. And that means that the only thing that the law governs are the specific things that they say they govern all the other things, quote, unquote, that they didn't say. Those are the things that are sort of outside the purview of what the law does. And that's often where the remedy is, is because they'll say things that, hey, this includes this and this and this. But then some layman comes in and says, oh, it includes, because I hear the left and the social justice warriors say all the time, everybody's included. Includes means, everybody. So if I said to you, hey, Charlie, we're having a party on Friday, there's going to be a dinner. And it includes ice cream. You would you would assume that there'd be some kind of dinner and there'd be ice cream. But legally, all I said was there's ice cream. And that's how they trick you. So when you hear, say, the pharmaceutical commercials and they say symptoms include blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they're saying specifically what these things are. They're not saying it's inclusive as in it's all in. It's this, you know, another one that's that that's interesting in law is acceptance. You assume in common parlance, acceptance means just like, take it all. I accept all the terms and conditions of all of the liability, whatever. But acceptance in law means to hold with intent, to retain. So it doesn't mean that you just roll over and accept everything. It just means that you hold it with intent to retain. So it's a way of staying in honor. And that's what I say is a big was a big part of my awakening in starting to learn the law and actually practice and do things and get results, was that everything comes down to acceptance. You have to accept everything. But if you know what acceptance means, that's not necessarily a bad thing. It just means that you're going to stay in honor. Okay, here we go. We're having a conversation now. I have the intent to retain. So it's all about it's all about intent. And so it's it's all about just do you stay in honor or not? Because if you're not in honor, then they're going to railroad you. But if you stay in honor and you play their game, and this is kind of where I've had this sort of fall, this falling out of love with anarchism because I prior I considered myself like a full blown anarcho capitalist. And I guess I would say philosophically, I'm that. But that's often in the world of as the world ought to be. And so what I've discovered is that there's the world as it is, and then there's the world as it ought to be. And sure, I believe in this anarchist utopia where everybody can just take responsibility for themselves, but that's just not the world we're in. And so if you want to get a remedy, you want to say, stop paying taxes. You want to have your assets protected so they can't be taken from you. You have to go in the way the world is, as it is. Otherwise you're in la la land and then you're just going to get lost in the mix. Did you see Max Eagan's presentation when we were down there? It might not this last year. Year before, I think he was talking about navigating this world with one foot in and one foot out. You know, like he was talking about it with respect to people asking him, well, Max, how do you travel from one country to the next? You know, you have a passport system and you have to use that. Uh, doesn't that sort of go against everything that you believe? Of course it goes against everything I believe, but I have one foot in and one foot out of the system. I have to navigate this. I have to do what's best for me. So I have to play their game to the extent that I. I have to, while keeping an eye on on everything else. I thought that was a good way to look at it because, as you said, rightly, like, like I would love to live in this world that we that we aspire to. However, I have to I have to deal in the practical nature of where we are currently. So. So you can't ignore where we are now. And so I guess what if we're going to play the game, let's play it correctly. Let's understand what their words mean. And speaking of that, the word understand apparently means something different in in in the understand to to stand under. Yeah. You know the thing I'll tell people, if you're getting into the law, you can go and listen to say, old Jordan Maxwell tapes and DVDs. And that's actually where I started like twenty plus years ago before all this stuff was online. Um, you can kind of go down these unnecessary rabbit holes with that kind of stuff. Um, and but you're right. You are right. I just think some of them are just rabbit holes that lead you nowhere. But but as what you said about Max, it's absolutely correct. And I say the same thing. And that's where understanding equity in law really gets, in my opinion, gets the bulk of remedy and solutions is, is okay, there's this matrix. The matrix, what I call it is different, what David Eick calls it. And I think David Eick understands it at a higher level, perhaps on, say, a spiritual level. And there probably is a matrix there. But when I say the matrix, what I'm referring to is the commercial paper system that comes out of the City of London and underneath the Vatican. That's how they've, they've they've enslaved all of us through the birth certificate system. That's the matrix. And so your physical body is in the material world. But then there's this paper matrix where you've got this legal person that gets you into all these fiduciary duties. So you got to play that game to some degree. And so that's what that's what I agree with Max is like, yeah you keep one foot into there because you if you don't your life becomes really complicated. Like to not be able to have a commercial bank account, how are you going to have a mortgage or do a lot of the things that normal people do? And so you kind of have to stay in there partially. And that's that's where I find understanding the maxims of equity is, is that equity is the boilerplate of, of of the legal world. And so I like to imagine three books in front of me. Here we have the Holy Bible, the King James Version. That's sort of what we understand in the West as the way the world is created and all laws based off that. But then over here on the right, I've got Black's Law fifth, which is the world of the devil. So there's the world that God created, and then there's the world that the devil administers through your consent. And the. And the rules of engagement are in the maximum of equity. The book in the middle, which is sort of what brings the three together. And so I found by understanding equity, which is the framework of law, I don't have to get so hung up in the statutory world, because I can understand where they're going and what it's all about. And to get equity is to just settle the issue and settle the matter, not sit and play in the he said. She said, oh, this should be this. And getting in arguments. It's just settle the issue, settle the matter, which is often coming down to they want you to perform some kind of task. So how do they want you to perform and how will you perform? That's the question. And that's often the way through a lot of different statutory obligations they're going to throw at you. Man, I bet you shave a lot of the learning curve off of this for people that, like, come to you and don't even know where to start. Like, I mean, I would think that if I had if it was this or if it was a situation where it's like, listen, man, I got a couple million bucks, I'm looking for a place off the grid somewhere else. You'd be the first person I would contact, right? Like, why reinvent the wheel? Why say, oh, let me get online and see if I can find a place that has access to homesteads or anything? Like I would just go to freedom farmers, like. Well, that's. Yeah, well, and that's the kind of niche that I'm in now is like, because I've done the land thing for so long and that's like a sure bet. So yeah. And I do this, this law stuff in the private, it's outside of freedom farmers, but it's all me. But yeah, I mean for sure I do that on a regular basis. I get people that are like, hey, I'm getting screwed with taxes. And my law stuff is really only applicable to Canadians. Just so people know, um, my land stuff is most of my clients in the US, but I do get people that come to me and they're just like, I'm getting screwed in taxes. I'm worried they're going to take everything and I want to be off the grid. And so yeah, I do. I kind of help people in, in an all encompassing way in that regard. Yeah. When people call you and they're, they're looking for a homestead. What is it all? I mean, what's the reasoning behind it? Is it is it is it I mean, these these days is they want to just get out of the craziness, you know, they want to get away from the starving hordes, essentially, for when the shit hits the fan. That's it's it's been that way forever. Um, yeah. And it's it's kind of like finding finding what's an ideal place for them to go because the US, the neat thing about the US is it's it's very diverse as far as its landscape. You know, you've got the high dry deserts of Wyoming, Montana. You got the low and dry, hot areas of California and in some parts of Arizona, New Mexico. And then you've got, you know, the temperate region, which is basically everything east of the Mississippi. But then you've got the higher boreal regions of that wet temperate area, and then you've got the lower regions getting into Arkansas, Tennessee, then you got a place like Florida, which is very anomalous as far as the US in general, at least on the continental US. So the US is incredibly diverse. And I think one of the most kind of telling maps you can look at, if you want to think about the shit hitting the fan, the proverbial shit hitting the fan is look at a population density map of the United States. It's very, very telling. It's essentially eighty percent of the US lives east of the Mississippi, and the other twenty percent live on the other side, but probably eighty percent of that twenty are in Southern California. Yep. It's crazy. And so I think that's a good starting point for people. But the thing is that's fascinating about, you know, getting on the land and such is that you really have to think about where what do you want and how do you imagine your life being. Because living like living the way I do is not for everybody. And I can tell you, like, I'm up here like my wife passed in March. And so I'm up here now with me and my kids. I do have my late wife's brother is very involved in what we do, and so he's become kind of like a second, like a right hand man for me on the land, which has been helpful. But if you don't have a sort of a traditional family, in a way homesteading is very difficult. And so you need to think about what is your context and how do you want to live, and how do you imagine that going? Because a lot of people, I see it all the time in my consulting, especially with people on land, is like, there's a lot of empty nesters out there. Or maybe they don't have kids and they want to homestead. But unless there's a lot of young bucks around to do a lot of the backbreaking work. How's that going to look for you? So you might think, well, maybe I'll get into an intentional community, and there's a lot of a lot of them. This is an exploding scene across the United States, exploding all kinds of different intentional communities. I think it's a great way to live. But if you're joining an intentional community that doesn't have young people or a sort of a new succession of families, how is it going to go if things get really tough, if there aren't young people around to do the hard, backbreaking work? How's that going to go? And so these are challenges that people have. But, you know, when it comes to living in the United States, people are your greatest asset, but they're also your greatest liability. Yeah. Well, I think there's a lot of Americans that have this fantasy. Uh, even myself, to, to maybe a certain extent, that one day we're just going to head for the exits. You know, we got the the gold coin. As Catherine Austin Fitts says, to bribe the border guard. And we're we're out of here. Right. But maybe you don't need to write if, as you mentioned, in the United States, you've got a variety of different, uh, climates. It's a big, big piece of land, lots of places to hide. If you've driven across country, which I have, if you've just driven across Texas, you know, there's a lot of places to go. Um, so maybe instead of fleeing, you just sort of move internally in this country somewhere else. But I would imagine there are a lot of people that are like, if only I had another family to do this with, or somebody like minded. They don't. They don't have to be related to me family wise. But I can't do this myself. Do you in your land consulting business, do you ever matchmake with people like that? Like, you know, I'm a guy who I'm looking for somebody like minded, who wants to build in the Ozarks. Let me know if you find somebody. We can go in together and get a piece of land. Is that. Oh, yeah. Oh, our platform does it for people like. Yeah, in our community. You can do that. Um, absolutely. That's that's happening all the time. And yeah, those are those are serious considerations. Um, the Ozarks are probably one of my favorite regions of the United States. Um, because you have you have a beautiful landscape, topography, lots of fresh water, good soil. As long as you're outside of the, you know, agricultural zone. Because, like, you know, northern Mississippi is much like Nebraska and, you know, South and North Dakota, you know, Kansas, it's just big AG like, you don't want to live in there. It's just poison. But but you get into the Ozark region, which, you know, goes parts of Oklahoma, you know, parts of Arkansas, southern Missouri, really, really beautiful and very like minded people, you know. So we see a lot of our community hunkering down in their, uh, Tennessee was great for a while, but there's just it's so saturated. There's so many people moving there, you know, same I say the same thing with Florida, like, don't move to Florida. Everybody wants to move to Florida. The problem with Florida, too, is just so many damn people like, you know, it's it's again, people can be your greatest asset, but also your greatest liability. You do not want to be the horrible thing about Florida. This is a beautiful place, don't get me wrong. But there's so many people and so many people concentrated in such small areas. What happens when the light goes out? What happens when there's no food in the stores? I mean, it's absolute pandemonium. And the thing is about the US is as good as it is as it is. There's a Second Amendment. That's also, in a way, the fact that everybody's armed isn't necessarily That great, because it just means you're likely going to be in a situation that's violent, that is fatal. So yeah, and you started kind of by saying like, do we just pack our bags and run to Mexico or something perhaps. Um, you know, there's there's certainly there's certainly possibilities. It all comes down to your context. I've never been a fan of expatriation, personally, because the thing I don't like about Mexico, and I say this as a guy who has spent a lot of time there, I've traveled through a good chunk of the country. Um, is it is not a high trust society in the same way it is in America. So that takes some getting used to. And if you're a guy like us who's, as you know, white as can be, that sometimes brings challenges in that you're just a gringo and you're always going to just be a resource. And you know, you want to get your HVAC system fixed. The gringo price is ten times higher. And it is for the Mexican price. And, you know, some people figure their way around that. I've always found that annoying, frankly. The thing I like about, and the reason I've stayed in Canada is that I understand the law here, so I feel comfortable in navigating that world. Yes, it's corrupt, but it's the corruption in Canada is kind of like above most bureaucrats. Whereas in Mexico the corruption is all over. And, you know, our mutual friend Jeff Berwick would say, well, I like that because then I know how I'm dealing with it, right? And so I get that, I get that argument. But it all just comes down to your context and where you are in your life. And I think moving to a place like Mexico can work for some people. But like I have young children and so for me it just doesn't. For me, it's just not as I don't know, I don't I have friends that are expats that have little blonde haired, blue eyed babies like mine, and they live in Mexico. And it's it's kind of tricky. Like it comes with some challenges for sure. Yeah. What is the is there a country that people are are looking at more so than others? Is there is there some place that's kind of under the radar that has a good combination of, I don't know, maybe the language is is okay. The tax haven, you know, tax status is fine. They don't bust your balls too much. Is there anyone out there? You know I'm seeing a lot more people move to Eastern Europe, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Latvia. Bulgaria, um, places like that in the Baltic countries. Um, I'm seeing people move there. You know, I think the thing that especially since the Covid show, a lot of people dispersed, right? Because people were like, this is crazy. I'm out of here. And a lot of people flocked to South America and Central American countries, and I think they burnt out on the lack of trust because there is something about white society, right? I mean, that's why everybody wants to move to white countries is there's there's a high trust society. I think people said, well, the thing that's interesting about places like Latvia and Bulgaria and Hungary, I've had a number of clients in close friends move to Hungary is they didn't go full on with all the new world Order agenda. They didn't import massive amounts of African migrants and Muslim migrants, and so they maintained a strong culture and trust. Yes. They're not, say, as great of a tax haven as say, you know, some places in Central America and things like that. But it's like, what do you what do you want? Like what do you value? And so I think for everybody, it's kind of like put it all on the table and then go from there and decide what it what it it is it is. And because like the thing I find about. Western law and and this is across the board in Europe essentially is that there is. This these principles in law that are kind of universal in that world and there. Yes, there's corruption in all countries. There's no question about it. But the corruption is usually concentrated to like the central banking pedophiles. Right, right. Whereas the, the average government worker bureaucrat, it's not like Mexico or Central America where they're all corrupt. And, you know, as our buddy Jeff Berwick says, is like a thousand pesos can pretty much get you out of anything. And it's kind of true. Um, but the risk that clients of mine who are, say, sitting on one hundred million dollars of assets have when they go to a place like that, is that now you've got to deal with the cartel. Right. And understanding the maxims of equity means nothing when it comes to the cartel. And so it's you're playing a different game. So, you know, I think human beings can be free anywhere but you really what's most important is to understand, like lay it all on the table, like even play a game with your spouse and like, put it on like sticky notes or cards and lay it all out, like, these are the things that are non-negotiable for me. And then these things are sort of negotiable. And that's, that's like a, that's a process that I do with clients of mine that are trying to figure out where they want to go is that's what we do. We look at all these things because some people are there's certain things that are really, really key and others they're willing to be flexible on. So your geography is in the mix too, right? Like where you want to be. I find a lot of people want to live in a way that they're sort of familiar, you know? So if you're born and raised in Arizona, you might want to sort of be a similar climate, whereas you might not want to be in the humid tropics. But you might say, well, I don't mind a boreal climate which say has hot and dry summers, but I don't mind a bit of a winter because I'm kind of used to that seasonality. If you live high elevation in, say, a place like Arizona, you're kind of used to that. So you kind of you pick and choose, you know, because the neat thing about the world is that there's a lot of places like Arizona in the world that aren't in Arizona. There's a lot of places like British Columbia in the world that aren't. And so you can say, okay, well, you know, eastern Russia or south southwestern Russia is actually a lot like North Carolina and close to Ukraine, temperate, you know, so it's interesting. Yeah, I saw the map of Mediterranean climates, a world map, and you'll see these like a little region in California. You go, that's where they grow grapes and, you know, and, and and you go, I didn't I didn't know that about the world. I didn't know that it was set up that way where there's a little. So these are areas where you could I don't know if you want to if you're from Central Valley, California, and you're used to it and you're looking for a place to relocate. You may be heading to Europe or someplace. Exactly. Yeah. Or even parts of Russia like Russia has this. If you look at a map of Russia, it's really interesting. There's this total golden zone that is, it's the maps aren't in front of you. I think it's closer to the Black Sea. It's like south. It's kind of close to Ukraine and Ukraine. I wouldn't want to move to Ukraine, but close to there is a very, very interesting climate and there's all these small little towns and has this very old way of life that is just unlike what we're in now, where everybody's on phones and stuff like that. There are parts of the world that have kind of maintained these old communities where people are just people and they're just living really simple. That's appealing to a lot of it is appealing. I know, I know. I said, you know, I've watched sort of how I've gone in my evolution over life. It's like I wanted to be where the action was when I was younger. Now the older I get, it's like I would prefer like I move a little bit back out of the way. I'd rather not be in the city, I'd rather be. And then you make that calculation of like, well, all right, I have a kid. And like, they have to interact in this world. So how close do I have to be to civilization to still do all that stuff? But how how much further and exactly every step I, I fantasize in my mind that I'll just it'll be a little bit further out. The next house will buy will just be a little bit further out until eventually we've done it. We've backed ourselves into some canyon somewhere that nobody where nobody's looking or whatever, you know, and you could put the fence up and nobody will come and get you. Well, today. Yeah, I mean, today that's actually more possible because the internet has allowed us a lot of people make money online. And so and post Covid, the cities just don't offer what they used to. You know, the cities have become completely woke their dysfunctional. They're flooded with third world migrants. The crime rates are out of control. There's just way less appeal to live in a in a city now. So. Yeah. Hey, can I can we pause for one second? I just gotta yeah. Right back. Yeah. That's a really. Good. I'm just in a podcast. The door open downstairs. Okay. Sorry about that. No problem. Yeah, I think we kind of. You probably be able to cut that right there. Sure. Yeah. What are. Where are your clients coming from? You're in Canada, but they're not all Canadian, I'm assuming, since as we're we're saying you can do this job kind of anywhere. And there's a lot of people thinking about where they, you know, finding you online. Um, yeah. Who are they? Western people. Are they people mostly? Well, I would say I mean, for my my law clients. Yeah, they're pretty much exclusively Canadian. Maybe one percent are American that I helped them with some some stuff. Um, but my clients on land are vast. Majority are American. So as far as, um, freedom farmers helping people, it's mostly American. Uh, that's just like our businesses in the US. It's an Arizona company. So it's yeah, it's in the US and it's just a numbers game. I mean, there's more than ten times the amount of people in the US than there is in Canada. And so because I've been out there online, uh, it's just kind of been that way forever. I've been a bona fide American in a way. I could I could have moved there a long time ago. I decided to stay where I am. But yeah, I would say as far as helping people on land and farms and those things. Yeah, a vast majority are Americans. What about I mean, now you can do anything. You could launch a business, right? You're getting you. What's this? I mean, with with your group at Freedom Farmers. Kind of like a makeshift network, right? Like kind of like a your own little community there. Yeah. We've got a community of people that are. Yeah, actively looking to get on the land. I mean, our, our sort of flagship product at Freedom Farmers is the Homestead Accelerator. It's essentially a real estate listing service that assesses homestead real estate around mostly America. If our clients ask us, like we've had clients in Australia and New Zealand and all over even Mexico, Central America, if they want us to review properties there, we will like we do a monthly call with me where people can, in real time, just throw properties at me and I'll look at them. I'll pull up all the data and I'll say, yes, no, maybe so. Um, but uh, yeah. So that basically we have a team for that product. Homestead Accelerator that reviews active listings mostly in the US because, again, like ninety percent of our clients are there, um, of listings in the US. And then they go through this process where we analyze them based on these, these things called the eleven scales of permanence. So it's a lens in which we evaluate property, kind of like the eight forms of capital in a way where we say, okay, what's the climate, what's the topography, what's the water, what's what. Are any threats near the property that could compromise your well-being? We basically put put them through that analysis and then we post them on the site. So you can go on our little map site and you can see active listings. And we don't make any money on listing. We basically just charge for the service. Um, but people can look at that listing and if it's listed on our website, it's approved by me like it's it's a good homestead. We have varying degrees of of how they're rated. We say if it's an A property it's basically a turnkey. Everything there. There's capacity for food, water, energy, shelter. It has. It has multiple sources of water. It has good land, arable land. The home is nice. It basically meets all the criteria. But those properties are more expensive just by their nature. And then there's a B property, which is basically it has all the fundamentals of a great homestead. But you might need to replace the roof on the house, you might need to put in a better driveway kind of thing, but it's all there. And then we have bargain properties we call C properties, which it has all the fundamentals. It can be great, but it's you're going to need to fix the house or maybe build one. It could be raw land. You got to put in a driveway, you know, you got to do all the stuff. But the land itself is good. But I typically advise people to not if you want to get on the land, don't buy raw land unless you're like a real solid trades guy. Because in today's world of of how expensive things are, the economics aren't great. But if you're, say, a skilled carpenter who can run a backhoe and operate machinery. You know how to form concrete, and you can essentially have all the skills to build a house. Sure, buy raw land, but if you're just somebody who doesn't have any trades and you want to get on a homestead and you're buying raw land, be prepared to spend a lot of money. You'll spend you'll spend more money than it's than you would if you bought a place that had a house. Interesting. But that's just because of today's prices. Really. What's the process? Do you do gardens first before you introduce animals? Do you do gardens and animals at the same time? Do you do chickens first because they're easy. Like what is. Yeah. Is there a is there is it like don't don't make your life too difficult. Start by growing food. If you kill it, you know you killed a carrot. Not a not a goat or something. But you know, like what. What would you how does that process. That's a really complicated. It's a good question. It's complicated because it all depends on your context. Like it all depends on what you're good at doing, what the land you're looking at is capable of providing without much work. So I would say it depends, but I would say, by and large. You what you want to be able to do is get situated on the land in some way or another so that you can exist there and kind of see how things go. Like, I'll paint a perfect case scenario for you. The best case scenario is you buy a property that has some kind of house. Like maybe you want to build your dream home. This is often people's like it's on their bucket list, right? So, so. But you buy a property that has something you can live in for the time being. So maybe you're not ready to sell your home in the burbs or the city yet, and you can buy a place. This is an ideal scenario. It's actually sort of what I did is, is you buy the place and there's a house there so that you can go there and spend time, but not full time, so you don't have to sell your house right away. You can spend time in that house and you can see a little bit of each season, so you can see what winter looks like, see what a spring, a summer and a fall looks like, and then sort of incrementally add things as you need them. So you get in there, put in a little bit of a vegetable garden just so you can get some stuff going. You know, um, maybe you find a place you want to put some trees, start planting some trees, just kind of incrementally bring things in. Then you can sell your house. Now you're kind of situated there. There's some infrastructure there. You maybe maybe you put a secondary well in or you had to drill a well or something like that, get some things in so that when you start you're not just like thrown in the mix, because 


a big mistake a lot of people make is they go too hard, too quick, and then they're burnt out in a year. And we saw this during the Covid show, and that's actually when I launched the Homestead Accelerator program because I saw this massive demand of people who wanted to get on the land, but and I made a prediction then and I was I was proven right. But I said that I predict what we're going to see is all these turn and burn homestead properties are going to come up for sale in three years, and boom, they're all for sale right now. So during Covid, all these sort of people that thought they had what it took to go and live on the land went full on, they went out there. They had maybe they sold their house and they had five hundred thousand dollars in cash. They built some off grid infrastructure. They built gardens. They built chicken coops. They brought some cows on there. They took on way too much, too quick. And they burnt out in two years. And now those properties are for sale, and they're often on our website, and they're often being sold for cheap because people were just like, ah, I can't do this. But now the Covid restrictions are down, so I don't mind moving back into the city. So yeah, you can find some of those places right now and you can tell because you can see there was all this like Really quick infrastructure that wasn't completed set up. There's a lot of those places for sale right now. Damn. How do you when how do you build a compound you know is there is there is there like you said, you get the first house and maybe you add on incrementally, but what are you what what is what is an ideal compound. Have you know for somebody. Well that's what I have. I have what I call a family compound. So there's kind of different ways you can do it. Like you could go the intentional community route and say with five families, go and start something. Right. That would be more the intention. The result is the same in the sense that you got a piece of land that has all the primary infrastructure to, say, survive an apocalypse where there's there's no going in or out. There's there's, you know, the world is chaotic. I don't I don't like to say these things and promote fear. It's not at all like I think you know. You know what I mean? But I just say, like, prepare for the worst. Hope for the best is you need to think about four things primarily food, water, energy, and shelter. Those are the primary things. There's all kinds of other things that are important to security, education of your children. There's like a litany of things, but food, water, energy, shelter. Without those things, nobody survives full stop. So you need to think about those things first is okay, each of those things. Okay. So for food systems, for example, um, we need protein, we need fats, we need carbohydrates. We need like the basic stuff for to survive. What are those things? Okay. We probably start with something simple. Let's start with the vegetable garden because that's simple. Then let's bring in some egg layers. Because to get to have chickens laying eggs, that's fairly simple. Then let's start doing chickens. For meat we can bring we can do fifty to one hundred birds a year. A small family can handle that, or a group of friends can handle that. Then let's say maybe let's bring in some small scale livestock. Let's start with some goats or some sheeps. Like it depends on the land, right? It all depends on your land and what it has the capacity for. But you kind of go from there and then you then you say, okay, let's look at our water systems. You always want to have at least two sources of water, because if one doesn't work, what are you going to do? And if you don't have power to pump water, how are you going to get water? So you might say, okay, well the there's one water system that came with the property. It's tied to the agricultural land water. So we turn on the taps, they work. There's we get this water. It could be from a municipality. Whatever. Let's let's build a really simple pit. Well, so let's dig a ten foot, twenty foot deep. Well, put a culvert in it, put some drain rock around it, cover it up with something, and then that'll seasonally fill up with with the wax and wane of the water season or the snowmelt. Or then you might say, well, let's drill. Let's drill a proper deep water well, let's bring in a drilling rig that's going to cost thirty grand to do it. Things like that. You want to start thinking about systems. And so, um, it basically go down the line for energy. Same thing. You might you might have a property and it has grid power. Okay. Great. You got power so that you can use stuff. You can run power tools, you can build things. But now you might want to decentralize that. So a first step would be make sure you got at least a simple backup generator. So if the lights go out you got something. Maybe it's a small gas powered Honda propane generator, diesel generator. Whatever it is, there's all kinds of options. Thinking about how do you go from I like to think about it in a scale is you go from dependency to sovereignty and what's in between. So we all start dependent, right? You show up at the grocery store, there's food there. Well, what do you do if there isn't? A step towards less dependency would be to have seven days of food in your in your pantry, right? Then from there, thirty days. Then you might go from less dependency to a state of security where you've got a garden, you've got a year's worth of food. Then you go to a state of resiliency where you've got bigger gardens. You've got, you know, well over a year of stored food. You've got a year or more of stored seed. Then you go to a state of sovereignty, where now you've got multiple systems that interact and benefit one another in sort of a holistic way. And so I like to think about all of these things food, water, energy, shelter in that. How do you go from dependency to sovereignty? And it's all just ratcheting up slowly. It doesn't have to be like people. People look at my homestead and they're just like, that's crazy. How am I going to get there? Well, one step at a time and just think about all the things that you need and how you just ratchet up slowly to get to that point where you've got multiple systems of each thing, like on my homestead, I've got multiple food systems, I've got three different sources of water, and two of them I can get without any electricity. I've got multiple sources of power. I've got solar, I've got a diesel backup. I even have a small scale gas generator. I've got multiple forms of heat. I can heat with propane. I can heat with wood. I can heat with electricity. Right. So it's kind of thinking like that is the more the more multiple systems you have, the more resiliency you have, because it's always going to be the case that one thing doesn't work when you want it to. Yeah, yeah, man. You don't want to find out the hard way when you're. That's it. Water stops working that you've, uh, that you fucked up and didn't didn't didn't think two steps ahead. That's, uh. What about let me ask you this. What about the the practicality of buying land or homestead or something like this? Is there financing available for this? Do the banks touch this? Do not really know. That's that's the tough thing. Some do. Um, but it is generally speaking harder to. Well, it's certainly the case with off grid properties. Very few will finance them, though there are some exceptions, I know. And there's a lot of different options out there, so I can't really speak to say there's this plan and this plan and this plan. That's not that's not what I do. Um, but generally speaking, an off grid property is harder to finance. And so there's nothing wrong with being on the grid. But it's like, again, it comes into what are your negotiables and non-negotiables, like how on the grid do you want to be and what is on the grid technically mean? Because people debate me all the time. They say, oh, Curtis, you're online, therefore you're on the grid. Well, it's like, yeah, okay. Yeah, I got Starlink to do the zoom call with with Charlie. Uh, but I, I'm off the grid and all of my forms of power and water and all these things. And so, yeah, it's kind of a mixed bag. You kind of have to decide, you know, how close to civilization do you want to be? Because everybody's life is unique. Like, you might have kids that are still in school or something, or your kids are teenagers and they don't want to leave their friend circle. These are challenges that parents are dealing with all the time that I talk to. They can't get out until their kids are eighteen because now we now the kids can go on their own, and then they're going to run to the hill. That creates the problem you said, which is there aren't going to be any strong hands there on the homestead to help out if everyone is is waiting until they turn eighteen so that they can leave. I get that and that I can understand that being a real headache. It is. And to to to make, to decide. Like when do I go? Like we're stuck into the school system. Well. And how do you go? Because like, I'll tell you, I mean the vast majority of my clients are sixty plus. And so this is a serious challenge for them that they I'm often kind of bringing them down to reality because they're thinking they're going to run to the hills and do all this homesteading stuff, but it's like, how many good years of your body do you have? And, you know, you could do it. I mean, probably the probably most of my clients that come to me are healthy people and very physically capable and and such. And if you're sixty now, you probably got another fifteen years plus where you can be chopping firewood and doing some level of heavy lifting. But what happens when things go south, like what happens when the unexpected happens? And that's the the number one thing that people don't think about when they get off grid. Because I remember when I was actually when you and I last hung out at an Arco Poco twenty twenty three, when I was connecting. We were going to hang out in Mexico City when we were sleeping in those pods. Remember that? Yeah, when I was when I had that six hour layover in Mexico City or whatever it was, it was more than six hours, I think. Um, my off grid system here went out. And so Jeff Berwick called me, uh, I think it might have been December or something. We had a mild winter because I wasn't going to go that year because we were only a couple of years into being on this homestead, and I had so much to do with managing the snow up here that I was like, there's no way I can leave my family. And my kids were still too young. We didn't want to take them to Mexico. So my wife at the time said, yeah, just go. So I said to Jeff, yeah, I'm in. Count me in. So I'm flying to Mexico City. And the day I get there and the day line in Mexico City, I get a text message from her saying the system's down. The power system is down. And it just snowed two feet the day I left. So here I am, stuck in Mexico, and my and my wife can't even turn the power on. And there's barely any cell service at our place. So she had to go to a certain place to get one bar of signal so she can text me. But to my to my benefit, I had a system in place so that if this happens, this is what I'll tell her to do. And I did it. I coached her how to reboot the system and everything with a limited amount of text. She got the system back up. Boom, lights came back on. All good. But it was a moment where you're just like, oh my goodness, my family is there without me. The guy who does all the homesteading chores and there's no power, and it's the dead of winter and there's two feet of snow on the ground. Yeah, man. That's so, so that's a real lesson in communication and understanding that you have to develop these systems so that, I don't know, maybe there's a maybe somebody got a binder in a drawer somewhere that's got the instruction manual on it, but yeah. Yeah. Flow charts. There you go. Essentially. Yes. Then that. That's right. And and walk yourself through that that system. But but but again that's a preparedness mindset. You make that binder and put it in the top drawer. It's almost a guarantee you'll never need it. Right. But the fact that you actually made it and did that, it tells the universe, we're good. You can go. You know what? I find that that's sort of a universal truth. As soon as you have that plan, it almost ensures that it never happens. Yeah. The universe is when you don't have the plan. That's when it happens. I'm going to go mess with something. We'll go ruin somebody else's day. It sounds like you. You already have things prepared. And I'll. I'll go mess with with someone else. But, um, um, let's wrap up with this at Freedom Farmers. People can buy all kinds of stuff there, right? Yeah. There's. Yeah. And you got a code that people can use. So. So, um, they can support you and, um. Yeah, they there's a whole bunch of stuff in their community is probably one of the hugest things in it. Um, but if people want to get on the land, the homestead accelerator is, like, unbelievably valuable. It's nowhere else. Can you find this kind of data on homesteading? Because if you're just flipping through listings, it's fun to do. Everybody likes to fantasize, and I find that people looking at real estate listings kind of like porn in a way. It's like this guilty pleasure, and you'll spend a lot of time at it, but it won't go anywhere. We can take away all that time. And so that's huge. And then we've got twenty plus courses in there that they can just kind of binge watch and learn, you know, everything to do with homesteading and. Regenerative agriculture, growing microgreens, mini farms like. Yeah, like the online courses were pretty. I mean, like pretty insane amount of time, years we spent setting that stuff up. And it's all there as legacy content. Two people can also watch me build my homestead. I vlogged the entire creation of this homestead, which is pretty much done now. Um, and I put it all up on there, just they can go into the video archive and watch hundreds of videos. I made vlogging this entire process. Yeah. I, you know, I've spent thirty years in real estate and but we never did anything fun like this. I mean, I guess my partners, they're buying houses and renovating them, but they also have this fantasy of like buying a place in the woods. And actually, they did. They they bought a place out in the desert, maybe not the best for water, but they had just an awesome opportunity. Yeah. And but they are the types that could actually get out there and build a house. That's what they that's what they do. I would see that as a little bit too challenging. I'd probably. Yeah, I certainly wouldn't do it again. I mean, I'm glad I did it in my house now. And it's it's comfortable but it is it's crazy man. It's so much especially if if there's a lot of things on the land that have to be done to make it a proper homestead. If you have a house that you can at least just move into, your life is going to be so much easier because you can renovate, right? And you can, you can, you can modify and customize a home in a lot of different ways. Um, and that's another thing too. I teach people like, we have a course in there called Finding the Perfect Homestead Property, and I show people what to look for, how to analyze it yourself because it's good to. And I find realtors often get themselves into trouble too, because they realtors think they really understand, because they know homes well, but they don't necessarily know land very well. And so most people just they put all their eggs into the home and like, oh, the home is great. Therefore the land would be great. But I've given a lot of clients over the years bad news to be like, you know, that land kind of sucks. Like, yeah, the home is really nice, but the land kind of sucks. And so you don't need a big piece, right? Like five acres, you can you can do five acres. You can do you mean I wrote a whole book on how to do it on less than an acre. But but if you really want to have the food, water, energy and shelter, I think five acres is optimal as a start. More is better because then you just have boundary, like my homestead is forty plus acres and but I only really live on two acres. Everything I have is on two acres, but I like having the buffer because I like the privacy. I like just being able to go out and do things and not have to worry about some nosy Nellie, you know, some Karen calling the policy department on me or something like that. You know, I just, I like to have the space, so I prefer larger acreage. But you know, for older folks, smaller acreage in an area of other like minded people is probably better. Yeah. You know, man, there's so much to to think about with this. And I think a lot of people just have been cruising through life, never even giving it a thought until Covid came around. And that threw a real monkey wrench. And as you said, people were maybe a little bit too quick to pull the trigger. And they had these fantasies. But it's interesting to know that there's discounts out there. Now. You could pick up what they what they were unable to complete. Um, let's wrap up with this. What do you what's twenty twenty six looking like for you and where can people find you? Yeah. Twenty twenty six undoing less traveling. Um, this year I'm so stoked to be in Acapulco. Um, but then, uh, I teach these law workshops, um, around Canada. So I'm doing those, um, if people reach out to me or if they're if if they join freedom farmers, they'll have a way to reach out to me. But I do those in Kelowna, Calgary and Toronto. And then I'm doing one more event, um, the land summit with John Bush in November. Um, but other than that, I'm not I'm not doing as much traveling. I'm around and just kind of trying to just readjust to my life as it is now. So I'm just spending more time at the homestead. Uh, and yeah, people check me out at Freedom Farmers. You've got a link there they can use, and, um, there's a massive. If people are serious about getting on the land, our service will literally save them. Years. Years. And it's not that expensive. I used to charge, and I still do. If people want my own consulting, I charge four or five hundred dollars an hour to look at land, but they can just join our service for fifty bucks a month and get the same thing. And there's way there's way more to look at. We list properties all over the US and so everything we list is is good to go. Like it's, it's a, it's a they're good homesteads. They're not nothing is uh is mediocre. But if you spend time looking at real estate listings, you'll spend years. I know I've done it. I've been in real estate for thirty years. I've looked at a million houses online and in person, and at some point, and my wife said to me one time, hey, don't you want to come with us? We're going to go look at houses. I was like, I look at houses all day long. I don't want to look at houses. No, I've seen enough houses. Unless it's exceptionally weird or exceptionally cool. I'm not interested in it because I've seen it all. Uh, that's Curtis Stone, everybody. You can go to Freedom Farmers Comm and check out what he's working on over there. Go to his off grid with Curtis Stone YouTube channel. You'll know you're there when it's, what, six hundred thousand plus subscribers? A lot of people over there checking it out. And, uh, for those of you who want to connect with me, Macroaggressions dot io is the website best place to do that. Thanks everyone. We'll talk to you soon.