Charlie Robinson (00:01.233) Welcome to Macroaggressions. I'm your host, Charlie Robinson. If you're watching us on Rumble, Band.video, back on YouTube, or you're listening wherever podcasts are served, thanks a million. appreciate your support. Macroaggressions.io is the website where you can find everything that we're working on. Activist Post, Natural Blaze, the podcast, the books, all that good stuff. Our sponsors are amazing. Thank God we've got them. Augustin Farms is one of the newer sponsors. They have storable food. They have the- Craziest selection of storable food. I had no idea. I thought it was really just the buckets of emergency food I really kind of thought that was the extent of it. 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BEN WAHHH (02:09.326) Yeah, that was very exciting. was interesting that after 933 episodes I had anything to offer, but it was a relief to see that I did. Charlie Robinson (02:18.579) Well, you did. Sam, that was cool to see Sam in your tattoo chair in Chicago. How'd that happen? BEN WAHHH (02:27.084) Yeah, that was amazing. I tried, you know, like I saw an opportunity and I tried and thanks to you it happened. that's, know, so I try to, part of my kids, you gotta try, you always gotta try. That's where we first met because I had seen you on there and read your book and I said, know what, I'm gonna reach out to this guy. And I did and it worked. Charlie Robinson (02:47.539) It's been some of the best interactions I've had too. I've got people in my life who I'm working with, who I've met that same way, which is crazy to me. It's great. So, know, I'm glad, and I'm glad you reached out to me. You saw me on Tinfoil Hat in 2018. That was the first time I went to LA, did that show with Sam. Had no idea I would be doing a podcast with him for twice a month for the next five years. But that was one of those things that sort of set. kind of the wheels in motion. met Sam through that, I eventually met you. Now you and Sam are connected and I've, but you and I have been messaging back and forth for years. You always have, you have a great, I don't know where you get your information, but you always have a really great source for something that whenever you send it, it's like never even heard of this, never seen it, never heard anything about it. how'd you... BEN WAHHH (03:40.898) Yeah. Rabbit holes are fun. Charlie Robinson (03:44.467) Yeah, they are fun. You've got good ones good fresh rabbit holes BEN WAHHH (03:47.278) But with the search engines, it's really bizarre because you have to figure out kind of a backdoor way to look into things because you look for, let's say, Russians indicted by Mueller. You won't find that they dropped the case against them once they wanted to go to discovery. But if you look up the lawyer for the Russians who were indicted by Mueller, then you'll find the articles about it. So with the tricky search engines now, you have to figure out backdoor ways to research stuff. You probably remember back in the day when everything was available, I clicked the button on the internet, now you get 100 results that have nothing to do with what you want. Charlie Robinson (04:29.306) It's frustrating. Yeah. You, when you find a good source of information, you know, you kind of want to like hold onto it as much as you can. I've, the search engines are difficult. The, the AI chat bots are, I can't, you know, I haven't used them for research. really won't use them for research. might use them in the future for organizing information in ways, but I don't, but it'd have to be my information. wouldn't, I don't know that I could. trust it to go out into the world and bring back good clean info from some source that I could trust. Just too many fingers on that. BEN WAHHH (05:06.264) A really good thing if you find them are the old documentaries from 80s, 90s, 2000s on YouTube, if you could track them down or anywhere you could track them down. If you watch the old Mike Rupert ones, they're amazing. I mean, he was so intelligent and so well informed about everything he talked about. And I urge anybody to go watch those. And the whole climate back then, you know, when things like the Daily Show were edgy and people actually were engaged and wanted to know what was going on. You know, watch that and you see the size of these crowds and the interactions and it's just gone now. People are just so defeated and so just stuck, you know. And it's when you see the contrast of that and now it's shocking. Charlie Robinson (05:49.223) Well, that's a good place to pivot and talk about Chicago, because if ever there was a city that's been sort of the embodiment of that. Yeah. BEN WAHHH (05:57.88) Captured, absolutely captured. Yeah, you know, one of the things I've kind of been dwelling on lately is just how people give power to things that are powerless without their power. You know, growing up in an Irish Catholic neighborhood, and just seeing the people that are just imprisoned to the idea of the religion and could have priests molesting kids and have, you know, horrible abuses happening, but be blind to them because they're taken by this thing that they empower. This thing has no power without their power. And when you see Chicago and how a political party has them captured, captured. These people couldn't dream of voting for anybody but a Democrat. And I'm not saying that one party is better than any other, but when you see things just get worse and worse and worse. And right now, we just had our property tax bills come out. The way that usually happens is there's two installments a year. The first installment is usually like, 60, 65 % of the second installment would be the other remaining 40 or 35%. This year, people are seeing the second installment being more than the whole year before it. So what happened was they had some politically connected vendor took on the duty of producing the data for the second bill and screwed it up royally. They were supposed to be put out in July or June. And we just got them now. Charlie Robinson (07:08.316) Whoa. BEN WAHHH (07:24.588) The whole city is on fire right now of people that are just tripping out because their bills are just insane. And our mayor continues to just tax, tax, tax, tax and try to create new taxes rather than cut the abuse of spending that is just, you know, the way it goes here in the city. It's terrible. Charlie Robinson (07:45.009) Yeah. Not limited to you guys though. You know, I mean, it's, it's, that way. It's, it's, it's been any anywhere where somebody has been, I mean, California is a whole state where I grew up. Just the, at the state level, it was Democrats and they never considered, you know, I guess once Arnie came in, every now and then, yeah, you get Arnold comes in. BEN WAHHH (07:48.726) No, but it's... BEN WAHHH (08:01.954) Well, mean, California, though, has a history of, you know, having a Republican governor and having... Yeah, but no, even before Reagan, you know, and you look back and it had a pretty conservative bend to most of it, know, except for, know, San Francisco would stand out. Yeah, but they had a good history of a solid base. Illinois, you know, Chicago's been a Democrat controlled city for ever. You know, we helped get Kennedy elected. Charlie Robinson (08:15.346) It's been 70 years. BEN WAHHH (08:28.066) you know the daily family when george bush would be in town he'd have dinner with richard daily our mayor you know the daily family is the dynasty that control the city and probably still does through their puppets but you know this history goes far and you know there's this a resistance to any you know it's a subject you can't touch and even though there's irrefutable proof constant proof of the abuse and constant proof of dust Shitting all over the the residents here. They just keep going with it And like I said, it's empowering something that has this power thanks to you Nobody gave it power except for yourself. And if people were woken up to that perhaps they would Try something different, you know, but like I said, they make it so unpalatable to be anything else that Very few dare, you know, it's too bad Charlie Robinson (09:20.882) What's the role of the Pritzkers? I mean, I know they have influence. BEN WAHHH (09:24.13) You know, so that's become more forward than ever before, you know, and this is the hilarious part is, you know, our governor, JB Pritzker is the champion of the immigrants right now with, you know, the ice raids and such. His family's fortune is from the Hyatt Hotel chain. The hotels make their money by underpaying immigrant labor. So if the, if the immigrants champion is the guy who became a billionaire off of Charlie Robinson (09:48.038) Ready? BEN WAHHH (09:52.814) You know exploiting their labor. They're in trouble and you know, there's all sorts of other things going on Not far from my house in a heavily populated area just west of downtown They just built a massive level five bio lab Like right in the middle of the neighborhood and it's it's hilarious I'm not kidding you look it up 1347 less West Fulton and the ironic part about it is if You're ever gonna have anyone build this thing and have a you know conspiracy theorists be like, oh my god Charlie Robinson (10:07.727) Ooh. What? BEN WAHHH (10:22.358) It's built by Can Zuckerberg and the Pritzker's. Charlie Robinson (10:26.126) no way. that's bad. BEN WAHHH (10:27.202) You can look it up, it says it right on there. And it's planted right in the middle of a neighborhood. And ironically, the funny part about that also was a block away was migrant shelters. So do the math. We need more subjects, go over there, grab a couple more. Charlie Robinson (10:40.753) Yeah, go grab them. need to, need to. Wow. That's. BEN WAHHH (10:44.354) More adrenochrome experiments with some adrenochrome, whatever, yeah. Charlie Robinson (10:48.925) How's the Obama library coming in? BEN WAHHH (10:52.096) Man, so you know, before I got on here, I was actually looking into some stuff about that because that is a funny one. So I was actually, okay, so before that, what happened was George Lucas was trying to build in that area and he was starting to build the Lucas Museum. And there's a lot of pushback because in this area, these people are like, one, we don't want our property taxes go nuts. And two, this is our lakefront. The lakefront's amazing. It's miles and miles of beautiful lakefront for running, bike paths, et cetera. They want to plop down this museum right in the middle of it. A lot of resistance. Lucas took it to LA. There you go. Well, now here come the, uh, the Obama library. I was actually in my car when listening to radio, when the, the lawyers came out of the courtroom that were trying to oppose it. They went in there with their petitions. They went in there with, you know, statements from other residents saying, we don't want this. You know, we don't want our property taxes going nuts. We don't want the parking problems. We don't want it. They said before they even got to speak, the judge already had his decision drawn up and ready to go. He had it already in his hand. Usually you're supposed to listen to everything and go formulate it. He already had it before the case even started. So there you go. So they come in with the Obama Library, as you called it, except for it's not a library. Because with the library, you fall under a federal ordinances and guidance of how you have to do things. You have to have certain parameters you have to meet as a library. So was sold initially as a library, and then all of sudden the word library kind of disappeared. There's not one book scheduled to be in this place, not one. Now it's the Obama Center. You might remember Valerie Jarrett, his assistant from his time at the White House, she is one of the chief executives of it. I think she's the chief executive. Her annual salary is $750,000 to be the chief executive. Another interesting person on... Charlie Robinson (12:24.509) Really? BEN WAHHH (12:44.142) The bill there that's getting $200,000 a year is Tina Tichen. And I don't know you remember who she is, but she was Michelle Obama's chief of staff, who was later involved in the Jussie Smollett case. Jussie Smollett, when he was getting indicted for that whole thing, reached out to her. She might have reached out to Michelle, I don't know, but all of a sudden, Kim Foxx was contacted and told the layoff. So this lady, like in her other job, Tina Tsen, is a workplace investigations for a Southern poverty law center. So how she fits into any position at the Obama Center while it's under construction, what was she calling the bricks racist that they're building it with? I don't know what she's doing over there. But she's getting 200 grand to do it. Charlie Robinson (13:17.475) great. Charlie Robinson (13:30.427) Yeah. She'll be busy doing something. She'll find some way to be a destroyer, I'm sure. What about whatever happened to Lori Lightfoot? know, with the... Please. BEN WAHHH (13:42.432) it's terrible. But one more thing about the Obama Center. So I actually know somebody who's working on it as a contractor. He's told me straight up, there's no head of it. There's no chief person there directing everything. So it's a free for all. He says these people that get these contracts show up, work two or three hours a day, do BS work. People show up, tell them they did the wrong thing, they take it out, do it again another way, over and over and over. This is why it's taking years. Charlie Robinson (13:56.157) Perfect. BEN WAHHH (14:09.838) The cost started at 300 million, it's now over a billion. They've added a couple buildings. The Airbnb guy donated 125 million. Jeff Bezos donated over 100 million. Nothing shady about that. No kickbacks expected there. It's basically a slush fund for people that want to get kickbacks or to get special help to... Charlie Robinson (14:31.538) I mean. BEN WAHHH (14:39.074) donate to. So I don't see it getting done anytime soon because as long as it's under construction it's this honey pot for people to go and donate whatever they want to, you know. Charlie Robinson (14:48.561) It's the ugliest building I've ever seen too. BEN WAHHH (14:51.168) It's, well, you can look up these articles about how literally falling apart before it's even done. know, there's pieces of concrete falling off, exposed rebar, you know. Yeah, it's terrible. Charlie Robinson (15:01.715) But isn't that kind of a perfect encapsulation of Obama? It's all exposed rebar, ultimately. Everything is just, just pick a little bit below the surface and it just all crumbles. I his entire eight years was... BEN WAHHH (15:08.098) Yeah. BEN WAHHH (15:18.348) Yeah, mean, it goes back to what I'm saying about giving power to something that's powerless. know, this, the name, you know, gets this kind of undeserved respect. You know, when people look at the failures of that presidency, of the bad things that happened, and yet it all gets, you know, taken away with magic wand because of the name. It's funny, one of the big things right now in the news is Venezuela. And I don't know if... Charlie Robinson (15:41.629) really does. BEN WAHHH (15:46.478) ever say anything about Operation Cassandra, I think I did. But during the Obama years, the vice president of Venezuela, a lot of people don't know this, was not even Venezuelan. He was half Syrian, half Lebanese, all Hezbollah. And that was the vice president of Venezuela. Charlie Robinson (16:08.947) Wow. BEN WAHHH (16:09.856) Yeah. so the big thing going on was, you know, with oil, I ran and these people were controlling it and, you know, through this vice president. And that's where Obama let it continue. They wanted to try to intervene to do something then and Obama wouldn't let them. But look up Operation Cassandra and you can read all about it. Charlie Robinson (16:31.131) Interesting. So now we have a new problem in Venezuela, or at least Trump wants there to be a problem. BEN WAHHH (16:37.39) Well, it's funny too, because he's calling them drug traffickers and you can even read about how the CIA were the ones trafficking drugs out of Venezuela. They literally set it up in, what was it, the 2000s? I forget the name of the operation, but yeah, we set up the drug movement there as kind of a honeypot to try to get in the middle of the whole narco terrorism thing and kind of take a detailed analysis of how it was working. So we actually set up Venezuelan drug dealers as an operation. Charlie Robinson (17:04.755) Perfect. BEN WAHHH (17:06.294) And now we're calling them drug dealers when we're the ones to set it up, which is the ultimate irony. Charlie Robinson (17:09.309) You It's franchises in Venezuela, the narco trafficking set up by the CIA. It's like, how can you be certain that there's drug dealers in Venezuela? It's like, well, we can't really tell you why we're totally certain. It was like, it reminds me of when we were saying, well, you know, the Iraqis, they have chemical missiles, they have all these aluminum tubes and all these things. Like, how do you know they have these aluminum tubes? It's like, well, cause Rumsfeld sold them to them. That's why we know they have them. So. BEN WAHHH (17:13.912) Yeah. BEN WAHHH (17:38.86) Yeah. Yeah, you know, and again, that falls back to giving power to something that you gave it to, you know, if you don't give them power and you see a lie, you can call a lie up. But when you give them power, you just kind of are blind to the lies, you know. Yeah, it's insane, you know, with the the Epstein stuff that comes out daily, you know, people keep giving passes to, you know, depending on who they want to win, you know, if they want the Republicans to be the ones that are winning, then they give them passes if they want the Dems be the ones winning, give them passes. it's, can't you two just understand this is a bigger picture, you know, that they're all involved and these people just are continually blind to it. I see it every day. Charlie Robinson (18:21.071) Chicago has been in particular like a real, real central location for this ideology. BEN WAHHH (18:26.112) yeah, so you don't probably don't. BEN WAHHH (18:32.684) So here's one for you you probably don't know about. Do you know what's happening in Chile right now? Charlie Robinson (18:37.267) I heard something that there was some there's an election going on I think but BEN WAHHH (18:42.476) Yeah, their presidential election. So basically they do kind of like a primary, but they had like five, four or five people in their primary and three or four of them were far right. And when I say far right, mean far right, not center right, far right. And one was a socialist left leaning person and they just had their election yesterday and the far right people got a huge amount of the votes. So now it's going to be one of the far-right people out of the group versus the socialists in the next round of elections. And everyone says basically the far-right person's got a smoker. But Chile's politics with, what was the Chilean dictator, Pinochet, it all comes from Chicago. They had a group of elites that would come here to Chicago to study. And they're called the Chicago Boys. And they will go back to Chile and implement with Pinochet, their policies they learned here. Yeah, I have a friend from Chile. He educated me about all this. And you click it up. They're called the Chicago Boys. And then also, Whitney Webb would talk about, you know, with the Neuralink, Chile was the first place to have a near, was it like a bill of rights for implant, chip implants in your brain? Yeah, they have a bill of rights for it. Basically to say that you cannot be deprived of this technology and ability if you can't afford it. To prevent. Charlie Robinson (19:48.979) That is crazy. Charlie Robinson (20:04.796) really? Charlie Robinson (20:14.055) BEN WAHHH (20:14.87) So it's supposed to be a good gesture to say, listen, Charlie, you can't afford it, but now you won't be on a level playing field with the rich kids if you don't have it. So we're going to make sure you can get it too. Charlie Robinson (20:23.279) I was under the mistaken assumption that it was a different kind of Bill of Rights. Like, we're not gonna put thoughts in your head and we're not gonna do this or that, but what you're saying is it's no child left behind with the brain implant devices? BEN WAHHH (20:32.502) No. BEN WAHHH (20:36.238) Yes. And the author of that studied and learned at University of Chicago. Same place that the other guy studied at. So yeah, there's a big connection between Chicago and politics in Chile, yes. Yeah, and other places too, you know, we have, is where we split the atomic bomb, you know, at the University of Chicago, or split the atom. Yeah, no, there's a lot of, when the Ukraine War started, I was shocked to see that. Charlie Robinson (20:42.163) Great. Charlie Robinson (20:50.035) That's crazy. BEN WAHHH (21:03.224) George Bush and Bill Clinton were two miles from my house in an area called Ukrainian Village. They were here when the Ukrainian War started. I mean, I was like, whoa, they're right there. I would have gone there, man. I want one of those George Bush paintings. You ever see those? my god, you've never seen George Charlie Robinson (21:16.243) yeah. George. Yeah, the ones that George is doing himself now. Yeah. Yeah, that's like getting a like getting a John Wayne Gacy painting or something. BEN WAHHH (21:20.802) Yeah. BEN WAHHH (21:26.413) Absolutely, man. One the biggest mass murders. That would be amazing. I honestly, if I ever ran into him, I'd be like, dude, I want a painting so bad. Dude, to have one of his paintings. Charlie Robinson (21:29.011) Yeah, that would be. Charlie Robinson (21:34.611) Totally. Someone told me, someone was trying to get me to get John Hinckley on the show. They're like, get him on the show. I was like, how do I get a hold of him? They're like, he'll talk to you. I was like, I don't know if I want to do that. BEN WAHHH (21:47.458) Yeah, that might be a bit weird. Let me take look at this real quick. We're good, all right, cool. Yeah, I was explaining it thoroughly before I started filming. I screwed up on cooking a corn casserole where I forgot the main ingredient, which is Jiffy corn muffin mix. And so had this boiling thing of corn and sour cream, but no mix in there. My kids are gonna kill me when they get home. I screwed up dinner, but yes. Charlie Robinson (21:51.281) Yeah, go for it, All right. Charlie Robinson (22:10.973) That's funny. Yeah, well, sorry. Sorry, What? BEN WAHHH (22:14.744) Yeah. We also had, this is a good one, we had the Prime Minister of Estonia here about two weeks ago and there was actually a thing on the news that was one of most ridiculous things I ever saw is somebody made the Prime Minister of Estonia an Estonian swearing machine. Yes, you heard me right, they made him an Estonian swearing machine. That was his, like what? Yeah, somebody in Chicago decided to make him an Estonian swearing machine. Pretty amazing. Charlie Robinson (22:47.517) That's we're at the end of empire behavior right now. BEN WAHHH (22:52.44) But again, one of the big things, like you said about where I get my stuff from, I really do urge people to look for older stuff, older links, even old episodes of Daily Show from what used to be around. And you will see stories that are very relevant to what's going on now. The names that you're seeing now even, you'll see back then. Except for now you see them in new roles. Now they're the good guy. They might have been the bad guy in 2000 or 90s, 95. And it's amazing to see over the years how media has a amnesia when it comes to these people and the roles they play. It's the same person. And you see them vilified. And then you see the same Jake Tapper 20 years later saying they're their buddies. They don't mention anything that happened. Charlie Robinson (23:21.875) Totally. Charlie Robinson (23:42.75) Well, the most stark example of this, of course, is Jelani coming to the White House in a suit, in tie, after he had a $10 million bounty on his head. It's like, what happened with that? It's like, you know, that's all, we worked it out, you know, we squashed that, it's fine. He's on our side. BEN WAHHH (23:48.782) Yes BEN WAHHH (23:56.184) Yeah. BEN WAHHH (24:00.652) Yeah, they squashed a thing that never existed except for in media. But that's, a clear example of, you know, giving power to something that, you know, you're sitting there and saying, okay, okay, you know, you and I both know the whole time it was orchestrated, but so many people fall for it, you know. It's like anonymous, you know what I mean? It pops up when they need it to pop up. When they need anonymous to pop up, there's a hack, they got the info, they leaked it, but then you don't hear from them, they're just gone. Charlie Robinson (24:16.883) Totally. Totally. BEN WAHHH (24:30.008) You know, one of the biggest stories that you probably never heard about was this guy, Jeremy Hammond. You know who that is? Yeah, I mean, that poor guy. Read about what they did to him. He was a hacker who worked for Anonymous. And he was called aside and said, listen, we're going to get some really heavy stuff. You we want you involved. Do you want to get involved? Yeah, I want to get involved. They hacked North Korea. They hacked Angela Merkel's phone. They hacked the Prime Minister of France's phone, all kind of stuff. And then they arrested him. Charlie Robinson (24:30.066) no. BEN WAHHH (25:00.214) It was the feds. The feds had persuaded, had caught one of the guys, Sabu from Anonymous, persuaded him through him to hire this kid to do all this stuff or contact him to do all it, got him to do it all and then arrested him. You know? And so that's a lot of these groups that they push on you that are the newsworthy group of the day is just, you know, if you're hearing about it, it's probably, you know, orchestrated. Charlie Robinson (25:25.745) Right, and there's some poor bastard who's having to work for the feds and pretending like he's still a legit hacker and not somebody who just got busted and trying to work off his... Yeah, that's been shitty to watch them do the entrapment. Especially, it's one thing if you get somebody who's already kind of leaning that way and just needed an outlet to go blow up something, but when it's like some kid with like... BEN WAHHH (25:35.798) Yep, and roping more kids. Yeah. Charlie Robinson (25:54.898) mental retardation or something and you're weaponizing this guy and getting him into some group. Yeah, I've already, yeah, him or, or, or there was a family, there was a kid who was like 18 years old. I guess his parents finally got involved and some guy was trying to talk him into making a bomb. They're like, my kid is autistic. He doesn't know what he's doing. He like, so the taking advantage of people like that and creating something out of nothing is, has, has always been a gross tactic of our intelligence agencies, but. BEN WAHHH (25:58.382) Thomas Crooks. BEN WAHHH (26:23.298) Yeah, so, I don't know if you ever read this book called, called Finks. And Finks is a pretty good book written by a, believe it or not, New York Times writer. But it's all about the history of kind of what Mike Benson's talking about right now with our government creating the illusion of the bad guys of everything. And one of the people they persecute is this American author Richard Wright. And even Richard Wright said this. He said this in the 60s. Most revolutionary movements in the West are government sponsored. They are launched by agents and provocateurs to organize the discontented so that the government can keep an eye on them. They knew this in the 60s, you know? And it's almost painful to see some of this stuff happening, you know? I can't tell you how many people will talk to me about the Sean Ryan show. And as soon they say those words, I'm just like... How? How do you see that and fall for it, you know? Charlie Robinson (27:17.414) I know. Charlie Robinson (27:23.807) You know, it's, it's, think it's just this fifth generation warfare, you know, it's coming at you from all directions you expect to punch in the face as, as the, as the shock, but really it's, you're getting subtle propaganda from Sean Ryan or somebody who's, who's there to give you part of the, part of the story, but not the full amount that, you know, the, new mainstream alternative media seems to be sprouting up to corral people into what they're allowed to argue about and what's acceptable. then anything outside of that, you know, you get canceled for talking about who's really running things. So. BEN WAHHH (28:02.19) Yeah, I try to tell people if you you're talking about what you know everyone talks about what they read today or what that post is they you're missing the point, you know the people that Are really running the things that the voices you'll never hear the names you'll never hear and you got to look deeper You know, you got to look deeper and see you know, that's why I like the old stuff because you'll find names You know what happened to this guy and do little research and find out where they are now, you know Whitney Wabla again was somebody who was always ahead of the game on that a lot of the names that she talks about you know five years ago are the ones in the news now. Peter Thiel, she's been talking about him for years. I love it. Charlie Robinson (28:40.379) Yeah, it should. know, this, the old way they used to compromise you, know, sort of infiltrate your Black Panther party or whatever it is and, kind of, you know, form, you know, create the groups and do all of that. Now they've got like a whole different level of technology that they can just aim at you. If you go to an ICE protest, you're on the list now. Your phone's on the list, your face is on there, your BEN WAHHH (29:06.382) Yeah, it's called a scorpion. I think it's called a scorpion device. That's what it's called. And with that, they can read any phone in there. They can read anything without a warrant. And yeah, our police use it and they do it in such a way that if you foy any information about it, nothing comes up because the way they're instructed to use it, they have a certain van they use it with flowers by Irene, whatever on the side and they show up and yeah, I everyone's data. They're hanging out at the protest. And then they could rub. Charlie Robinson (29:34.077) that or a Reaper drone circling above pulling data or cell phone tower or flock cameras or something, anything. You know, your serious satellite radio is telling on you. You know what I mean? All right, he's gonna save dinner. He's saving dinner. BEN WAHHH (29:37.55) I think so. BEN WAHHH (29:44.46) Let me grab this out of the oven. One second. So sorry. Charlie Robinson (29:59.77) stall for him while he goes out to save the corn casserole from it. BEN WAHHH (30:06.99) Man, if that works out, I will be so happy, you have no idea. I don't know if you saw, this one is very interesting. Oakland, the residents themselves actually paid to get drones. Yeah, so the residents of the Chinatown area actually paid out of their own pocket because crime was so bad that they funded the local police $80,000 to get a drone to help with surveillance. Charlie Robinson (30:09.395) We won't tell anybody. Charlie Robinson (30:19.473) No, I didn't see that. BEN WAHHH (30:35.148) Yeah, like please drone us. Please do some surveillance on us. Charlie Robinson (30:38.887) Talk about problem reaction solution. Man, that's terrible. mean, you're even paying for your own enslavement by paying for the drone, but what are you going to do? mean, these, some of the cities are starting to look like El Salvador. You know what I mean? It's crazy. BEN WAHHH (30:54.348) Well, OK, so this is a very funny one is, you know, when people were very upset about Texas shipping migrants everywhere, you know, nobody talks about how everyone ships their homeless to L.A. know, Colorado does it, Arizona do it, they all buy them one way bus tickets. And California doesn't complain because they probably register them as voters. So now, you know, that's where you get, like you said, these places like El Salvador, it's it's all part of that program of importing people so they could get more. Charlie Robinson (31:07.282) yeah. BEN WAHHH (31:23.586) voter blocks. But you know again, they'll complain about taking a non-citizen and shipping them somewhere. What about shipping American citizens? They all do it. It's insane. Charlie Robinson (31:33.011) Totally, yeah. Well, you guys had a problem in Chicago with, talk about a black eye. It was a black site, home on Square. What happened? Tell me what that was, because the media painted that as something that was like borderline CIA black site. BEN WAHHH (31:44.662) Okay, now that's not real. I know police that work there, and that's not real. BEN WAHHH (31:57.102) not. So that was the Guardian and that was some pretty crappy reporting because I actually was tattooing clients that work in that place. It's not true. 100 % not true. You know, we got enough crazy stuff happening in this city. If it was true, I probably would have heard about it because I have a lot of clients that are cops. That was absolute false. Charlie Robinson (32:05.873) OK, what were they saying? What's the reality of that? Charlie Robinson (32:13.127) Ha! Charlie Robinson (32:18.693) It's crazy that there wasn't like a PR story in the aftermath to try and tighten that up and say that it was false because the Guardian stories, they don't care. BEN WAHHH (32:27.662) Nobody here cared about it. No, I mean, that's a news outfit out of England. You know what mean? Nobody here cared about it. We have enough real stuff that, you know, nobody here really even, I never heard anybody here speak about. I knew about it because I asked my client about it, but no. We all said it. Charlie Robinson (32:44.039) Was it a real place, like a processing center or something? what was it? BEN WAHHH (32:47.022) Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a police station. That's a police station. But there's like hundreds of people that work there. It's not a secret site. You could go there. Next time you're in town, I could bring you there. It's an active police station. Yeah, no, they're wrong. And the thing that's funny is, there's so much you could go after the Chicago police for. You don't need to make stuff up, you know? But they do. And it's terrible. Like, one of the big things now here is... Charlie Robinson (32:57.319) They made it out to be Guantanamo Bay. You know what I mean? BEN WAHHH (33:13.742) It's getting better now because we have a new state's attorney, but how nobody was getting prosecuted. And when comes to migrants, Venezuelans and such, I've literally had police tell me they will witness somebody shooting a gun, a Venezuelan shooting a gun at somebody, arrest him, and they will be back the next day. They do not prosecute. And I've been told the reason being is they want to have a high conviction rate. And a lot of those are going go to a jury trial, have a sympathetic jury. They're let them go, even with video, even with everything. And so they just don't prosecute. They just put these people back on the street. And we've had people busted literally with dead bodies, and they let them out on bond with no cash bail. Just let them go until the trial. That literally just happened. This guy had a woman that had been missing for five months. He had her body. He had decapitated it. All kind of stuff. And they let him go on bail. And he was here illegally. He was an illegal American citizen. And they let him go on with a warrant, well, cashless bail. Charlie Robinson (34:13.043) Now you promised to come back now, you hear? BEN WAHHH (34:15.086) Yeah, and they did, they deported them. you know, they probably had an ankle monitor on, but that doesn't do a lot. But yeah, no, we've had multiple cases of this. Charlie Robinson (34:25.629) Just systemic, is just something, is it just, is it one of those things where it's like a feedback loop where you've had a segment of Chicago society that's been on government assistance for so many generations that they can't break out of that cycle? Is it, is... BEN WAHHH (34:43.436) Yeah, no, it's a big part of it. know, the scare tactics of, know, if these guys come in, they're gonna cut your benefits or gonna do things like that, you know. Yeah, absolutely, scare tactics. BEN WAHHH (34:54.914) Yeah, constantly. Charlie Robinson (34:57.255) What about, well, what's the reaction of, you know, I've seen a couple stories where they talked about grocery stores that were getting looted and moving out. And what about big business? What about the, you know, the large corporations that are downtown? Is there anything that's changing there? Because in San Francisco, we saw the wheels fall off. BEN WAHHH (35:06.733) Yeah. BEN WAHHH (35:21.544) Yeah, empty storefronts. Empty storefronts. know, lot of them are leaving. There's a lot of empty storefronts in downtown right now, and it's getting worse. so the rule with security is you cannot put your hands on somebody. So you could see someone robbing and you could try to stop them, but you can't grab them. And they know that. And when Kim Foxx, our last state's attorney, was in power, they raised the amount needed for a felony to $1,000. So these people are stealing left and right. They'd walk, know, groups would walk in and grab a bunch of stuff and run out. And there's nothing the security guards could do. So unless the police happen to be there or be present to grab these people, the security at these places can't do anything. Charlie Robinson (36:05.447) So what's the plan? That's crazy. That's just like San Francisco, but that can't be a long-term viable option at some point, right? The retail stores go away and then eventually the owners of the office buildings themselves are starting to feel some pain and... BEN WAHHH (36:05.76) And so yeah, you have a lot of empty storefront. Well... BEN WAHHH (36:26.294) Yeah, that's the whole thing with Robocop remember as everyone says, know, they let it get really bad so they can come in and buy it all, you know, so maybe that's the the play here Charlie Robinson (36:35.027) For sure, I've been thinking about that with New York City. I look at what the Mondomi future looks like and the only thing that I can see is that what if they're trying to drive the property prices down so that they could do what they did in the 70s and come in and buy it all up when it's sketchy and dangerous. BEN WAHHH (36:55.438) That's what I'm really interested in seeing how pans out because, they first instituted their thing where they were letting people go, you know, so it all started because there was such a backlog to process people in New York and they had a kid who literally stole a backpack and was sitting in Rikers Island for eight months before he could see a judge and he killed himself. And that's what started the whole thing of like, okay, we can't hold people anymore until, you know, they're ready to go to trial. We have to let them go until they're ready to go for trial. And when that list came out of all the offenses that you get arrested for and they wouldn't hold you, it was insane. There was like manslaughter, know, kidnapping was on this list. It was terrible. And my brother lives in New York and I contacted him and he said, save me your, you know, your BS. I said, this is, this is a real letter. This is like, cause I was on some stationary from a public official. And so I actually called the New York attorney, New York city state's attorney's office and I asked if it was real. they said, The lady was so funny, she's like, well, my name is like Mandy and yes, it's real and this is my number and if your brother doesn't believe you have him call me. And I was like, there you go. But yeah, they would literally arrest someone for breaking an entry, let them go and arrest them two hours later for the same thing. It would just happen over and over and they still have that in power. So with what's going to happen now with this new guy, I don't know. I don't know if they're going continue the same thing. They're going to try to help. Charlie Robinson (38:02.311) Ha! BEN WAHHH (38:22.572) I don't know, I'm hopeful. I hope that he has good intentions. He's going to do something good for the city. But you know, there's so much misinformation out there about what everyone's doing or saying that the actions are going to say it all. You know, so let's see what the actions are. Charlie Robinson (38:38.483) In Chicago, have they been monkeying around with your zoning the way they're trying to do in LA? I know that, you know, obviously in the aftermath of the fires. BEN WAHHH (38:46.924) No, that was redistricting. So the prop thing that just passed was more to redistricting, like kind of like what happened in Texas where they're trying to, you know, mess with these areas to get to ensure their votes in power. Our gerrymandering here is what started the whole thing. You know, over the years, different shows have done skits about how bad our gerrymandering is. And, you know, our governor Pritzker actually was on, I think it was CBS, complaining about Texas doing it. They showed him a map of our districts they're like, excuse me, look at this and he's like, yeah He had nothing to say because it's so bad here if you ever see a map of our districts here, it looks like a Jigsaw puzzle made by somebody who's intellectually deficient. It's insane Yeah, so we have issues with that obviously Keeping the city divided up like that. But you know a big thing that people miss when they talk about, you know It's it's not about race a lot of it is about economics and poor people are going to poor people, know, they're going to have trouble and problems. And if you think that any group has, you a hold on being poor, looking, you know, go watch cops. If you watch cops enough episodes, you'll see everybody across the country who's poor. doesn't matter what car you are. They're all committing the same crimes, you know, and all these systems are not designed to help these people. All these systems are designed to Charlie Robinson (40:00.466) Right. Charlie Robinson (40:07.357) Yes. BEN WAHHH (40:15.31) put small band-aids on them and continue as planned. Charlie Robinson (40:20.339) Did they ever get the, I think, I feel like they got the carbon marketplace off the ground in Chicago and then it went away. Did you remember, you ever hear anything about that? was, was some, Obama was like, we're gonna make Chicago the carbon tax capital of, I was like, why? That seems like a bit. BEN WAHHH (40:31.022) I'm not sure about that. BEN WAHHH (40:42.082) Well, all I know is that they sink, I think, billions into a company here, Rivian, that was supposed to be this electric car company, and it's tanked, tanked horribly. There was also a company that was going to make electric buses and, another black hole of millions of dollars. That's another thing is our city's great at is making millions and millions disappear into budgets. to who knows who and it just disappears. With the immigrant crisis, there was Alderman here who was the head of the city's response to it and he couldn't answer where all the money's going. There's 50 million going and one of the local stations did interview with them and they had a list of where all the money went and he says, ready to get that list and they, he said, can I see it? He's the head of it, he didn't even know. A local TV station guy, couldn't even get it. Yeah, you know, all kinds of abuse. Our city is just the worst when it comes to that. Charlie Robinson (41:42.365) When Obama was president though, did he tilt the scales towards you guys? Did he make things? Okay. BEN WAHHH (41:47.796) yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You know, a lot of contracts coming here, a lot of business. You know, Rahm Emanuel, too, who's our mayor, obviously his brother, Ari Emanuel. Big Hollywood, big shot. So a lot of movies were filmed here. Yes. Charlie Robinson (42:04.168) What is- what's the- BEN WAHHH (42:04.494) And that was one of the funny things I saw lately, because now Rahm Emanuel is sticking his head out again. Like he might be trying to do some politically. And I don't if you saw this, but UFC was here, I think a month ago, Rahm Emanuel was in the audience, which was like a real head turner. know, like he hasn't shown his head in forever and he's going to be in the UFC audience. Charlie Robinson (42:25.982) Well, it's probably his brother's ownership of it helps. BEN WAHHH (42:29.486) Yeah, but with, you know, Dana White's clear allegiance to Trump, you would think that'd be a little taboo, but, you know, it's kind of interesting. Interesting. Charlie Robinson (42:36.05) Yeah, I think they're all aligned at the top with the money and the power and all that. BEN WAHHH (42:40.003) Yeah. Well, they definitely are. But, you know, to make a public appearance like that, like you would never see a lot of other people even coming close to that. So that was interesting to see on that level. Charlie Robinson (42:53.596) Is building a new Bears Stadium? Did that ever pass? BEN WAHHH (42:56.366) They're working on it, that'll be out in the north suburbs. I'll believe it when I see it. You know what mean? They say it's a done deal, but that is a huge kick in the nuts to the city if it happens. And everyone I know that's a Bears fan loves it because you got to be here when those games get out. I've been to concerts at Soldier Field. When they get out, you're talking an hour, hour and half to get out of there. It's so impractical and so just doesn't work. And, you know, it's a huge place. So many people in such a small, the streets are too lame. Four lanes, get out of there. Doesn't work. It's terrible. So a shocker I actually heard recently when it comes to our politics, know what Tammy Duckworth is? She actually, let's talk about the immigrant situation. I agreed with her. I couldn't believe it. I was like, wow, she's actually a little more strict than I would ever be. I'm actually, listen, you want to come here and be a good person and work? I don't see why you shouldn't be here. They should make a... Charlie Robinson (43:50.514) Ha! BEN WAHHH (44:01.006) Destruction right so you're not exploited by the Prince Curse and these people and you actually have rights and you know Here she is saying, you know, if you want to be a citizen I want to do service in the military to earn your green card I want you to pay a fee and a fine for being illegally. I was like what? Exactly, I would expect that out of her mouth, but yeah, hopefully you know, anything comes of this whole thing, it would be a pathway for people like that that want to be here, you know, because this has really devastated the city. What's going on now? Whole areas of the city are just dead that were alive, you know, whole strips of stores and businesses are normally, you know, cars everywhere and people are just dead. People are terrified to leave their house. Kids are getting pulled out of school and homeschooling. It's a real thing. I don't know how we're perceived by you or how the world is perceiving what's happening here, but it is wild. Charlie Robinson (45:00.988) I think, well, you know, the world looks at Chicago and sees Lori Lightfoot and then Brandon Johnson. And they go, wow, this is a deeply unserious city. Not unlike many others, don't get me wrong, that even, you know, we know they're puppets and, you know, but I just feel like there used to be a time when they at least cared enough to give us somebody who was competent. BEN WAHHH (45:15.49) Well, they're all puppets, Charlie Robinson (45:30.321) You'd be evil and he wouldn't do what you thought, you at least thought maybe they could get it done. I look at Lori Leitz, but... BEN WAHHH (45:30.913) OK, so. BEN WAHHH (45:34.83) We went from legitimate politicians to puppets with no in between. So we had Harold Washington, who was as legitimate as you can get. I mean, the guy was great. He was a man of the people, OK? And this is funny, too, because all the monuments for Mayor Daley and his family, downtown half the city is named after him. There's a Harold Washington statue on the south side. and a stretch of 47th Street that looks like a third world country. His statue was down there, which is like, you know, insane. Then he had Jane Byrne. I don't know why Daley hated her, but man, he hated her. He hated her so bad. There was a whole time capsule, a whole thing that she had put with part of the city she redid. And when he came in, he destroyed it. He just got rid of it. He covered it. Yeah, he hated her. But these were real politicians. And he had Daley and his family. And then since then, who do you have? He had Rob, who's an extension of the party. God. 20 plus years, and his dad was there before him. A dynasty, absolute dynasty, yes. And so then you had Rob, who is part of the whole contraption. He's right there with Obama. He was Obama's chief of staff, wasn't he? Charlie Robinson (46:37.492) How long was Daily there? Charlie Robinson (46:42.772) Alright, so like a Clomo sort of situation. BEN WAHHH (46:58.922) Obama came up under the whole daily program. But since then now you're just having puppets. With Lightfoot, she was a prosecutor here in the city and I knew police that knew her. And the police I know that knew her when she was a prosecutor, like that is not who I knew. That is a totally different person. So, you know, she got an invitation to be part of the party. Said, you know, you do X, Y, and Z when you're in office. You're set for life. You're going to have your ambassadorships, you're going have your board positions, you don't have to do anything. Just play this role for four years. And that's what she did. She went in there and played that role. Same with Brandon Johnson. There's a text message throughout that got leaked where someone's asking about something. And his response was, I'm waiting for word from the elders. BEN WAHHH (47:45.012) I mean, come on. What does that tell you? Yeah, he's a puppet. Charlie Robinson (47:46.238) I'm not surprised. Clearly he's not the brains behind anything. mean, you know, he's... BEN WAHHH (47:50.698) No, he's a moron. He's a puppet. So no, mean, but beyond that, I mean, I don't think we're ever going to have, you know, any actual politicians again. I think they're so they can't there's no room in the program for it. You know, you see Thomas Massey and you wonder, is this a real person or is this a construct? You know what mean? Marger, Taylor, Green, whatever, same thing, you know, they play the role of being the outraged, you know, person on the outside until they're needed and they're used, you know. but they've filled all these roles. They've literally got the whole cast, you know, where they know who they want to play these roles, and they have people in those roles. So you're not going to have an outsider ever again. Never. Charlie Robinson (48:32.402) I just want the actors to be better. I want them to be better than Brandon Johnson and Lori Lightfoot and, you know. BEN WAHHH (48:38.894) Trump's pretty funny, man. These memes are amazing. know, the one where, did you see the one with Israel, with Palestine, when they're gonna, like, had dancing people, it like an AI video, they're gonna recreate all these buildings, it be like a Trump Tower. You ever see that video? You never seen it? my God, you gotta look. Charlie Robinson (48:54.484) the the the not the guys not Trump Gaza not that wasn't yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah BEN WAHHH (48:59.822) Yeah, the cartoon thing where it was like a AI cartoon. Oh my God. There's literally a Holocaust going on there, you know, it's amazingly, insanely horrible. It's the worst horror movie ever actually happening. And he's making videos like that. And it's beyond. So when you talk about funnier cast of characters, you couldn't ask her. I mean, it's insane. I can't believe it. Charlie Robinson (49:05.992) Bad taste. Unbelievable. Charlie Robinson (49:15.378) Yeah, it's re- Charlie Robinson (49:25.256) I know I'm waiting for President Mountain Dew Camacho to come out. mean, we're really just almost there. It feels like it. End of Empire. How's business for you? How are you doing? BEN WAHHH (49:32.526) Yeah. BEN WAHHH (49:37.702) It's you know, so it's become kind of a flooded market these days with TikTok and everything inspiring a whole generation of new tattoo artists. But my latest endeavor is a charity I started to help victims who've been trafficking called Ink Relief. And it's been great. So about a year ago, I was contacted by a group that helps these victims. And a lot of them have their abuser's name on them. The abuser will put the name on their neck. They'll put it on, you know, like they own them. on their form, know, so we're very visible. And so when someone's trying get out of that world, it is a battle. You walk into a bank, know, Charlie Robinson wants to open a bank account. Do think that's going to be a five-minute process? No. You need to have form X, Y, and Z. You need to fill out this 10-page form, et cetera. These are people coming from, you know, off-the-grid situations they've been in now for a year, two years, whatever, and they're supposed to have all this. So... You know, there's a lot of hurdles for these people trying to get out of that world. And I'm not a lawyer or a banker, anyone can help them with those hurdles, but I can help them with this. And so when you are able to cover that tattoo and get rid of it off their body, this makes them so happy. So I started a charity to help collect funds from people to pay towards doing this service. And it's been great. And I've been able to help a lot of people. But it's an uphill battle, you know, like. Charlie Robinson (51:00.819) test. BEN WAHHH (51:03.316) I have a friend who works in nonprofits and I said, man, every day I think of new people to email or try to reach out to for funding and I don't hear anything back. And she said, Ben, I've been dealing with this for 20 years. It doesn't get better. I'm like, damn it. Charlie Robinson (51:18.356) You know the first time I remember having like the first time I saw somebody I Saw this what I was bartending. It was 30 years ago. This girl was was in there with some bunch of bunch of people but she was clearly like a biker chick and and I and when she turned I could see this tattoo on the back on right on her back and it said property of Big Jim and I was like fuck I wonder who Big Jim is. You know what? I mean, it was the first time I saw that, I didn't want to ask, but then I'm watching documentaries, shows and things like that later and I'm seeing motorcycle gangs and it's like, yeah, that's kind of how they sort of put their label on each other. I wondered about, obviously I go through life, I see people out there who have made some, I don't know, maybe questionable. Decisions with tattoos in terms of joining gangs and putting them in places that make you sort of less hireable So to speak so I mean what you have? instances where you're helping who is it just abused women is it Gangrains BEN WAHHH (52:28.462) No, ex-game bangers too, you know. So it's basically, it's for ex-game bangers and victims of domestic violence and human trafficking. And you know, these are people, like I said, they're trying to get their lives together and move forward and they have to look at this every day. So I get to play my part. I get to do that for them. And it's amazing, you know. It's a really good opportunity. Yeah, so I've been loving doing that. Charlie Robinson (52:50.558) Man, I bet you get the craziest stories. Like you're like a, you're a therapist in a sense. You've got their undivided attention for, I don't know, hours, possibly. BEN WAHHH (52:54.445) Yeah. BEN WAHHH (53:02.152) Man, people just once that needle starts going, want to tell you everything. know, like I said, police officers, you know, there's a big one. People in the medical field, Alcona people, you just hear the wildest stories. Electricians, you know. One of my clients works on a lot of these buildings. And that's where I heard about that bio lab, you know, because he works in all these places. He worked on putting an escape room in Steve Harvey's condo in Trump Tower. You know? So these people are in these places and they tell me what they see and it's wild. Charlie Robinson (53:36.636) I heard my wife and I always crack ourselves up whenever we see Steve Harvey on TV because there was this, I don't know if it was a rumor or true, but it was like, it's like when you're in the room with him, don't look at him. He has like specific instructions for anybody. Like you're not supposed to make eye contact with him. was like, fuck does Steve Harvey think he is telling people not to look at him? BEN WAHHH (53:57.056) I don't know, but I would give him the biggest hug. That show, Family Feud, is so hilarious. I can't believe the stuff they say on there. It is unbelievable. Charlie Robinson (54:01.67) It is funny. Do you remember back when we were kids and Richard Dawson hosted that show and he was such a pervert, he would just practically have his hand up every... Yeah, that's the thing I didn't realize until later on was that, he was hammered. BEN WAHHH (54:10.178) He was drunk. He was so drunk. He was so drunk. BEN WAHHH (54:19.598) Yeah, you ever watch old, you know, go back now and watch him work in Mindy now and see how crazy, you know, oh my God, Robin Williams is out of his mind. I mean, he had to be on like every drug on the planet. That is insane. You watch it as a kid. It's funny. You watch it now. You're like, oh my God, it's crazy. Charlie Robinson (54:35.188) Yeah, I saw an interview with a guy who was a big time Hollywood producer and they asked him what was the craziest movie that you had ever heard of or been on. And he says, oh, Popeye, the movie Popeye. I was like, what? There was so much cocaine on that set that they were having shipped in in film canisters. BEN WAHHH (54:59.317) Hahaha! Charlie Robinson (55:03.252) And they said like, every time you saw Robin Williams, was out of his mind on this. I was like, wow, I was expecting, I don't know, something, not Popeye is the craziest, BEN WAHHH (55:03.77) my God. BEN WAHHH (55:09.142) I believe it, man. He's... BEN WAHHH (55:16.002) Yes. Yeah, that's wild stuff. yeah, you know, if I have to think of some of crazy stuff these customers have told me, I recently had a customer who's tell me how his uncle's in his 80s and an artist and, you know, his house is filled with art and he's terrified what's going to happen when his uncle dies. What's happening is his uncle's friends are dying and giving him more stuff. And one of the possessions he has is a multi-million dollar painting by an expressionist artist from the 1800s and his uncle drives around with him everywhere he goes in his 70s beat-up pickup truck because he doesn't want to leave it at home. Charlie Robinson (55:55.198) Good thinking. BEN WAHHH (55:58.338) Like, people tell you this stuff, you're like, my God, like what? Charlie Robinson (56:01.62) this is great, man. BEN WAHHH (56:05.646) Yeah, you never know what you're going to hear in there. We've had gay porn stars in there, politicians, everybody. It's here at all. It's wild. Yeah. Charlie Robinson (56:18.964) I remember thinking when the Palms in Las Vegas did the first Heart and Huntington tattoo parlor, I was like, what a weird idea. But then the more I saw it, and whenever you're there, you can just walk by and you see the glass windows and you see people getting tattooed. And it was like, oh my God, that was the first. BEN WAHHH (56:25.708) Yes. Yeah. Charlie Robinson (56:46.574) It was revolutionary and now it's everywhere. mean, Mandalay Bay's got one. BEN WAHHH (56:49.56) So with that Heart and Huntington, they had the TV show associated with it. And I had a friend from Detroit who had just opened a tattoo shop with another friend and sunk everything into it. And they contacted him and said, hey, do you want to be on the show? And he said, man. And him and his wife talked about it. They're like, crap. We just opened this shop, and now we're supposed to close it all down and go move to New York, know, or Las Vegas. Well, they did, and the show got canceled. Lost everything. Yeah, total bummer. Unbelievable. So it's on Alicet after my tinfoil hat, one of the other ones I wanted to talk about that I didn't get a chance to. And this is going to take you back a few years, was Zika. Remember Zika? Now, I went down that rabbit hole a bit. So do you know that right before that outbreak, Bill Gates back company, what they call Oxitec, had just released these engineered mosquitoes? Charlie Robinson (57:34.216) Yeah. Yeah, yeah. BEN WAHHH (57:50.936) These bioengineered mosquitoes. Yeah, look at that one up. So what a coincidence. Charlie Robinson (57:51.093) No. No. Yeah, I didn't know that, but now I'm not surprised. Didn't he do that in Florida, too? Yeah. BEN WAHHH (57:58.934) Well, that was after, so maybe they tweaked it a bit after that. There was actually a lot of resistance in Florida, so don't know if it was, were they ever released in Florida? Charlie Robinson (58:06.494) I don't know, maybe not. I know they said they were going to, but maybe they didn't. But he was behind that. Because that was, my God, that was like a big thing for a while, shrunken heads and stuff a lot. Microsoft definitely, yeah. BEN WAHHH (58:09.579) Yeah, but you BEN WAHHH (58:17.942) Yes. Yeah, microcephaly. But the funny part about that is the CDC got a billion dollars to do research and come up with a vaccine and they never did. And guess what? It went away. Charlie Robinson (58:32.436) I'd rather the CDC get a billion dollars to develop a vaccine and just keep the money and not develop it and just steal it than actually to develop the vaccine. I'd rather they just take the money and do nothing with it. That's probably better for humanity long-term. But no, I'm not surprised. I didn't know the ins and outs of the Zika stuff, but my mind immediately went to like... BEN WAHHH (58:42.551) Yeah. Charlie Robinson (58:56.68) probably DDT-like stuff or glyphosate type or something that's being sprayed in the area that's doing this. But I didn't think of biobugs. BEN WAHHH (59:05.398) or bio bugs. Yeah, look up the timeline of when Oxitext are releasing those and when that happened. But, as I said, they're throwing a billion dollars at it and nothing coming of the billion and it just went away anyway. a little weird, huh? Charlie Robinson (59:20.98) Yeah, I'm sure that money didn't just go away. I'm sure that money found its way into the hands of some influential people. Well, let's wrap up with this. What are you, what's going on in the future for you? mean, where do you, what's the? BEN WAHHH (59:38.338) This charity, man, I love it. And so let's keep banging on doors. And I know you got some fancy listeners. So Brad Pitt, if you're listening right now, know, Angelina Jolie, I know you guys listen to Macrogressions. And if you guys are really like what you hear here, why don't you hit me up and let's get this funded. Charlie Robinson (59:40.404) So cool. Charlie Robinson (59:53.8) Where is the best place for people to find you, to support your charity, to maybe come in when they're in Chicago and get a tattoo? BEN WAHHH (01:00:01.134) The tattoo shop is called Deluxe Tattoo and we have an Instagram page, Benoit Instagram, Inc. Relief.org is the website for the charity if anyone's interested. Funny enough, I didn't know this until I did this. Did know that anybody can make a dot org website? I thought you had to have some kind of like, you know, charity tax status to do it. Anybody can make a dot org. Yeah, so. Charlie Robinson (01:00:27.156) Well, didn't actually, never, I never knew that. don't think I ever tried to buy one. So I never even really thought about it. BEN WAHHH (01:00:33.07) You don't even need to, yeah, was like, I was shocked. Because when you see a .org, you're always like trustworthy. You're like, oh, it's a .org. Charlie Robinson (01:00:35.89) Well now you're- Charlie Robinson (01:00:39.837) Yeah, well, inkrelief.org sounds trustworthy to me, so maybe people should go there and support your outstanding work. And if they're in Chicago, deluxe tattoo Chicago, go check out Benoit, everybody. That's Benoit. Check out his episode on tin foil hat as well with the great Sam Tripley. can geek out on that. And if you want to connect with me, macroaggressions.io is the way to do that. Thanks, everybody. We'll talk to you again soon. BEN WAHHH (01:00:52.076) Yes, sir. BEN WAHHH (01:01:06.808) Thank you.