Charlie Robinson (00:05.309)
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Zoe Smith. Hi Zoe, good to see you again. What's cookin'?

Zowe (02:56.43)
Yeah, Charlie, thanks for having me back. Yeah, I'm glad to be able to get back and get into the really the me part of the book, which is the part that I got censored for more than anything else, honestly. When I handed the book to editors and I said, hey, could you go over this chapter six where I talk about the connection to healthcare and eugenics? That's when they all put it down and walked away and went, okay, this is conspiracy theory stuff. Can't deal with it.

not going to publish that.

Charlie Robinson (03:29.257)
Yeah, that's where they get a little weak in the knees when you bring up the eugenics thread that runs through all of this. it's not... The general public has no knowledge of this, right? And I suppose they would love to keep it that way. I think that ship is sailing though a little bit with COVID in the aftermath of that. I think people are starting to recognize that these shots could equal death. Not on every person, every time, of course, but they've now made...

this connection in a way that maybe in 2019 they were unwilling or unable to do that. When you see people, newscasters all collapsing and they make a compilation video of that, or you're waiting in some, fuck, I don't know, you're waiting in some parking lot for some dude to walk up to your car and give you an injection in your shoulder. And then people falling over and dropping dead in their cars or getting dragged out of.

big vaccination halls and having this all on camera. This is a catastrophe from public relations with regard to vaccines.

Zowe (04:35.086)
Honestly, absolutely it is. you're totally right. The general public does not know about this, myself included. I was in healthcare and I didn't see that it's based in eugenics. And until I started...

Until I lived through it, because for people who don't know, I'm a whistleblower, I was a medical coder, so I was actually just reviewing medical records. I wasn't actually even face to face with patients in the hospital, but I was reviewing all the medical evidence of what was going on, and it was my job to basically assign the diagnosis and procedure codes and send that to insurance. So I was really aware of the fact...

that during the year of 2020, before the vaccines came out, the hospital protocols were killing people, but they were labeling it as COVID. It was my job to label it as COVID and get them a bonus. And that is when I started waking up and I started looking at all of the vaccines because when they started saying, you can get free Krispy Kreme for life if you get a vaccine, I was like, okay, okay, this kind of pressure is not normal. And I went down the rabbit hole at that point.

And the effects of the vaccines were just, as you described, only like within about four months of the rollout of the vaccines by April is when I had to walk away because I probably had only seen about two or three months worth of vaccine injuries from the COVID shots at that point. But I knew at that point, and I was even on a podcast called Deborah gets red pill way back then. I don't think he's even doing that podcast anymore, but at that time.

Charlie Robinson (06:06.865)
yeah.

I love that. That was one of my favorite, one of my favorite. Poor Debra. I got, I love Debra. I would, would brace her for impact before I was to now I'm going to say something. You're not going to like it. She's so sweet.

Zowe (06:20.673)
I know it was a delicate interview, but actually she was, think I was able to open her eyes to some of it because she was one of the ones with the free lifetime supply of Krispy Kreme for getting the vaccine. And here I am saying, telling her to her fate, well, yeah, to her face that the COVID-19 vaccine is more dangerous than all of the other vaccines combined. And that was before we had the science that came out and...

shows that that's absolutely true. And so because of the devastation of that, was like, okay, basically healing centers got turned into killing centers and that was incentivized, that was intentional. And then throughout the entire year of 2021, when the vaccines came out, my job should have been to report the vaccine injuries. There should have been a code for that. And they had a whole year to create it and they never did.

I finally found out a few years later after continuing that search that the code that should have been assigned to all of those victims with the seizures and the strokes and the blood clots and blood disorders and just every other thing you can think of, cancer, that code didn't exist. And so I went, okay, this is intentional. They are.

absolutely trying to bury the genocide that just happened. And that's when I decided, okay, the healthcare system has gone entirely wrong. When did this happen? And who is pulling the strings? And it's kind of ironic that I just said who right there because that's who I found out is at the top is the WHL.

Charlie Robinson (07:53.824)
You return into a who's on first, you I don't know is on second, you know, who created the pandemic. That's right. No, I'm asking you who? It was it's frustrating to go through the COVID era was frustrating for me for a variety of reasons. But one of them was because I came into it with a pretty good understanding of what the pharmaceutical industry was and what it wasn't.

because I had written a book about it in 2017, not just about that, but it covered it. And so you kind of need to know what they are and who they're financed by and where their origins are. And so I knew going in that this is a criminal cartel that operates under the cover of white lab coats and things like that. And the media runs cover for them. But I knew that the general public didn't know that. And my fear was that it was gonna just be too late to get them up to speed on everything.

What was your experience like? Because you're in, like you said, you didn't really know the details of what had gone on in the past in terms of the vaccines. Maybe in retrospect now you can look and obviously connect those dots, but where you were during COVID, you wasn't really in your orbit to be worried about that. You were focusing on other things. Was that the general feeling inside where you worked that nobody had any idea about what the pharmaceutical industry was or what the...

vaccines actually did or what the underlying agenda was, was this catching everybody off guard?

Zowe (09:19.774)
yeah, absolutely everybody. just, and to this day it's still blindsides. A whole bunch of people that are still in it, that already lived through it and they're still just, this is why I call it a cult. I don't actually refer to it as like a cult like the Illuminati or anything like that.

Even though a lot of the people at the top are involved in those kinds of cults, I decided to try and keep it as like black and white, scientific, because there's so much of the content that I have that's already so controversial, why add a whole nother flavor? And I could do a whole nother book on just the connections between cults and the medical system. But I really refer to the indoctrination process because it's a very systematic system of how they keep you siloed and

Charlie Robinson (09:52.319)
course.

Zowe (10:09.048)
from the truth. Everybody in the medical system, medical cult, you have to have a license, you have to go through education, and the education is controlled. And it's a very, you know, culture, the word culture is based on the word cult.

It's not logical in that when you are going through the education if you start to question germ theory if you start to question Pharma drugs not being effective if you start to question vaccines in particular Being a subset of pharma drugs you will be socially shunned to the point of possibly losing your job and not being able to work in in healthcare ever ever again

In fact, I think I've been blacklisted on some, I haven't actually tried to go back in, but I'm pretty sure I've been blacklisted just like most of them. And that's really where it comes from. But then once you get into it, so like you basically have to drink the Kool-Aid in order to be in it. So at least not verbally questioning certain parts of the ideology, right?

But then they have this, especially the HIPAA law, which interestingly was drafted by Hillary Clinton and signed in by Bill Clinton. I don't think that's a coincidence, but that's the law that makes it so you are only allowed to see the medical record information or talk about any medical information about that is the minimum necessary amount to do your job. So they get you all siloed into basically it's a production line where you're only doing

Charlie Robinson (11:22.573)
I'm sure it's nothing.

Zowe (11:43.251)
this one little part where you assign this one little thing to your widget and then you send it on to the next person and they know nothing about what you did and you know nothing about what they did and between all of these layers you would literally have to get through all of those layers in order to even start to educate yourself on what pharma drugs actually do or germ theory or vaccines like any of the really

what I think are the most important parts of information that were weaponized during the whole COVID scam dynamic.

Charlie Robinson (12:19.876)
I mean, it really was like, we were getting it on every angle, but the information side of things, that what they were telling us was true, what they were telling us was so disjointed and nonsensical, felt cult-like is the best way to describe it. It absolutely is. When you see the dancing nurses in these videos, and I always try to...

ask myself like, what are they trying to get me to feel? I know I'm being manipulated. I'm being manipulated by advertising, I'm being manipulated by my TV, my radio, computer, everything. So I'm not offended that I'm being manipulated. I'm just trying to figure out what it is they want me to feel with the dancing nurses. Because what I felt was a disgust that was hard to quantify.

I wanted to wring all of their necks because I knew there wasn't an actual pandemic going on because I'm getting reports from people who I know on the ground saying, we just went through all the hospitals and they're empty. There's nobody there. So I get that information. I watched the TikTok videos where they clearly have enough time to be doing all this. And I was filled with rage. And I don't know if that was the desired

Effect that they wanted everybody to feel I don't know if they thought I don't know if half the nation got up and started Dancing along with the videos for all I know I mean, I really don't know what was going on. I just know that I was filled with so much rage That I because I wanted to just shake the shit out of everybody and go can't you see this there? They're incentivizing you with doughnuts for God's sake

Zowe (14:05.742)
I still do. I still do. And I call that dancing on people's graves. When you see those nurses dancing, even one of the clips, they're laughing as they've got this fake dead body on their shoulders that they're carrying through a hallway. And that's literally what they were doing. As these same dancing nurses were murdering our family and friends behind closed doors.

They're dancing and laughing about it. So I was equally infuriated as you. And that was the point where I was waking up and realizing hospitals had been turned into killing centers because my job was about on the chopping block at that point. Everyone was getting furloughed and told like forced vacation time, use all your PTO while the dancing nurse's thing was going on. I, I'm.

myself the same question what were other people supposed to feel because I was completely infuriated because I knew there's no pandemic and I knew what those same dancing nurses were doing from the outset but yeah I do think that a lot of people were dancing along at home and try I think they were trying to take away the scary factor of COVID-19 and maybe like like be the comic relief you know how like in every sitcom there has to be like some some doof that just likes you know

like Tauley or Kenny in South Park, you just has to release the tension of the situation. I, from like a diabolical, you know, cult leader mentality, I suspect that might've been what they wanted us to feel.

Charlie Robinson (15:49.154)
I'm assuming there was tons of dancing going on in Jonestown as well, you know until until the very end, you know until there wasn't and and and and the incentive Incentivization structure of these vaccines that you when we talked the first time and you and I've talked in multiple interviews since then about this I you know that that was one of these Components that people were saying. that's conspiracy theory, you know, and you're just like well, it certainly does sound

Zowe (15:56.91)
yeah. Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (16:18.827)
crazy, I'll give you that, that they're incentivizing people to put people on ventilators and give them remdesivir or any of the sort of countless items on that a la carte menu of terror that you could tick off and get paid for. But you laid it out and of course wrote a book about it as well, saying, no, no, no, this isn't conspiracy theory. This is now moved into conspiracy analysis. We're looking at what happened when they

put a price on your grandmother. They put a price on your friend. I lost my friend, Kev Baker. They put him on a ventilator and murdered him in Glasgow. And I'll never forgive those bastards for that, you know? And everybody's got a story like that. So, I mean, yeah.

Zowe (17:02.894)
Speaking of, on Valentine's Day in 2026, so coming up in a few months, I have on my website a page for a vigil. There's a video and then there's a sign up form and you can submit a name.

And what I will do with my friends is we're going to the Gates Foundation and we're going to set up a bunch of luminarias. So we're basically going to light a candle. It's going to be in a paper bags called a luminaria. They do it in the Southwest. I think they do it for the day of the dead, like kind of to light the pathway to their little like, I don't know, like tribute to their lost family member. And it's the day that their lost family member can come back and visit with them.

So that's where I got the idea of doing a luminaria thing and we're taking names of the people that we've lost. So I'm going to write my cousin's name who died suddenly after I'm pretty sure she got the vaccine and then drove into a tree, died instantly. No one investigated it. They just said, she lost control, but there were no breaks at all. She didn't even try and stop.

Any other adult that that had happened to from a medical perspective, the coroner who was there would have done a full autopsy. They would have tried to look for a heart attack or signs of seizure or signs of a stroke or something that might have impaired the driver before the impact. And then they would call that the cause of death. But after COVID, no, it's just car wreck. It's just car wreck. No one's going to look any further into it than that. And so many other people have stories like that. I know there's hundreds of thousands of people that were

that we've lost and it's been invisible. No one has been able to see this because it all happened behind closed doors. And so I'm trying to create a visual representation and hopefully a way to unite us all because we're kind of all in our own little echo chambers and fighting over, well, what was the pandemic and it this, was it that? And there's different narratives depending on which echo chamber you happen to be in and people will all, there's so much infighting between.

Zowe (19:04.93)
the two, I'm trying to find, what are the basic immutable things that we can't really argue about, that we can actually come together and agree, okay, well, these things happened, we didn't like them, and we have to make it so they can't happen again.

Charlie Robinson (19:23.329)
I think that'd be a nice visual representation for the Gates Foundation. It wouldn't be the first time they'd murdered tons of people with their vaccines. Of course, they're on the record back in Africa, you know, for decades. There's a long of dead bodies in the wake of the Gates Foundation. And then, of course, you see him talking on interviews about how he thinks vaccines are great investment. 20X.

opportunity for him. why not make money while you're also depopulating? When you started to get into this topic of eugenics, were you surprised how many people with recognizable faces were deeply involved in it? since we're talking about Bill Gates and understanding his parent, his dad's relationship to Planned Parenthood and all of this, boy,

I used to think that if you were a bloodthirsty mass murdering lunatic, they would hide you in the shadows and never put the camera on you. But apparently you get to give a Ted talk in Long Beach in 2010 and talk about how if our vaccines do a great job, we can lower the world's population by 10 or 15%. He should have been led away in handcuffs. Instead, they probably gave him an award at the end of that. And I just think, what are people looking at? I mean, in your-

world, you you sort of bridge the gap between all of this. You had one foot in the normy medical world and one foot out of this. Do people even know what eugenics is as a concept inside the healthcare industry? Is it talked about? Is it something that people know about?

Zowe (21:05.538)
absolutely not talked about the link between eugenics and how our own the the founder of the CDC was actually I've I've done some research and looked into him I think his name was Joseph Mountain and they've equated him as being the Fauci of his time

And for a full century, when you go back and you look at the people who created the AMA, who created the CDC, the Eugenics Records Office, which is the first place that the Cancer Society had a registry. And they were taking cards on people just like in the camps that Gates, connection to IBM.

And they had the, know, the holo- holo-rhythm cards in the camps in Germany. We had that in America, basically. They didn't call it a holo-rhythm machine. It wasn't IBM necessarily, but they were keeping cards on people for genetic purposes. Nobody knows this. I mean, it's written, it's- it's in history. If people care to look at it, it's there. But they don't teach this to you in- medical school when they start talking about the history of everything. And they talk about, like, like the hospital that I worked for in Phoenix.

They were started they like they bring you in and they do this orientation and they tell you this is where a hospital came from and it was all about TB at the time because that's when the hospital the family that like first found in the clinic that became a hospital it was all about treating TB and when you start even looking at how those diseases came about and

who came up with the vaccine or the program to cure whatever disease. Even those people are tied to eugenics, but they never tell you any of that.

Zowe (22:53.583)
They only, I mean, it's like sugarcoating everything and you're just like how our history books don't tell us the full story. They just tell us what they want us to know. Same thing about medical education. So nobody knows that there's a link there, even though it's staring you right in your face. Um, I haven't looked at, so the organization that licenses medical coders is a HEMA American health information management association. And I looked at the woman who was heading that up during 2020 when I, or

2022 and I started reading the book and or writing the book and She is connected and all the other people that head up Ahima are connected to Lockheed Martin to the Rockefellers to a bunch of politicians

I mean, from this current day all the way back, you can see the revolving door between people who are in the Eugenics Society and the closely related Statistical Society to now. And the only thing that they've really done is rebranded and changed the name so it doesn't sound so bad. So yeah, nobody has really been taught in healthcare that really what you're practicing is eugenics. And they've all been...

brainwashed to think that how we're practicing health care to try and be equitable and fair, that's based in eugenics. So it continues to this very day and it's incentivized by the banks and you know media runs a cover and government helps them profit from it.

Charlie Robinson (24:15.947)
Mm-hmm.

Charlie Robinson (24:33.877)
Let's get weird for just a second here because when I saw them swabbing everybody's noses during COVID and sending that back, I immediately went to 23andMe, genealogy swabs, and I started thinking, they're looking for something. I wonder if they're looking for something.

Zowe (24:49.389)
Yeah.

Zowe (24:54.787)
That was really smart because that's what I was thinking exactly the same. But I had background knowledge to know that the PCR test that because I used to work at Oregon Health and Science University way back in the day and I was a lab assistant while I was going to college. That's how I earned money to go to college. And we did PCR tests back then. That was like early 2000s. And it was all on

genetic stuff. So it was like, if someone in your family has had cancer, then you can come in and you can have a genetic screen done. And if you have that same gene for that cancer, then we'll remove that organ prophylactically. like Angelina Jolie had the BCRA gene or whatever for breast cancer. So she went and had it done before she got cancer. PCR was used for that. Same thing for, new parents. like, if you have like a Huntington's disease gene in your,

in your family or some other thing like that, you can do a genetic screen and then they call it like, I don't know, family planning or something like that, which sounds very Planned Parenthood, and it is. But they don't teach you that. They don't teach you that genetics is all basically eugenics. And so fast forward to...

2020 when I started realizing there's these false positives with the test and I knew that you didn't even need to have a test to be diagnosed with it. The doctors had to look at you and say, oh, I think you have COVID. So that's so smart that you were thinking, oh, this has got to be a genetic screen because at some point down the line, I've actually found documentation from the CDC that ordered every CLIA certified lab.

to send genetic sequences to one of two different gene banks, GISAID, so G-I-SEN or NCBI, one of those two gene banks. And it did say in the fine print like, these sequences for COVID. But I asked David Rasnik, who I did an interview with, and he actually knew Kary Mollis and worked with Kary Mollis at one point who invented PCR. And I asked him this specifically.

Zowe (27:04.049)
said, so obviously the PCR can run an entire DNA sequence. And here's this instruction. I showed him the document. said, OK, they're sending these sequences. And people are trolling me. And the internet masses are commenting back saying, no, that was just the sequence for COVID, for the variant of COVID, because I had like six of them listed out. And I asked him, do you think they're actually like,

after they run the PCR test and they get this sequence and then they have to send it to the gene bank, do you think they're actually spending the time to edit it and cut out just that section? Or do you think they're just sending the whole thing and then the gene bank can decide which section they want to take as their sequence? And he goes, they don't have the time to go in and edit all of that. I mean, they could, but most likely, no, most likely they're just sending the whole thing and then the gene bank that they send it to.

evidence of how much DNA has been sent to these gene banks. They're tracking all of it carefully. So yeah, that's absolutely what they're doing. You're right.

Charlie Robinson (28:12.48)
who owns the gene banks.

Zowe (28:14.882)
Well, NCBI and GISAID, I haven't looked into who owns them, but there is another one that was creating PCR tests. And I believe that all of the PCR tests were doing the same thing, sending genetic information back to some hive mind, whether that's NCBI or some other gene bank. And so it's generally the testing places that are...

you know, having it send back. So there is the Human Genome Project in China, which is now, I forget the name, it changed its name, but it's the biggest biotech company in China now. And they made PCR test kits, PCR and the IgG, which is the antibody test, and they sent it to America. And who do you think is getting those results back?

So our DNA is going to some Chinese database and even our own American military has flagged that gene bank as being a problem because they have all our individual information. And when you go to that gene bank, and the other ones are really similar when you look at like,

exist and what they think they're doing with our DNA because I was really interested in why are they collecting all of this they're obviously going to use it against us in some way so what is that how do we get ahead of that or how do we stop it and

It says on the one in China anyway, and the other ones basically say it and not in so clear terms, that they are collecting our DNA because they need this massive amount population genomics so they can create vaccines and therapeutics or drugs, biologics tailored to our individual genome.

Zowe (30:03.126)
And then we have Larry Elson come out with Donald Trump on day two of the administration saying exactly that. We're going to use AI to analyze your blood, which is how they get the DNA gene sequences. It's AI that creates the DNA gene sequences that sends it to the gene banks. That's why it's electronic and they can send it because it's using AI. It's not like, you know, a sample that they're sending physically. It's digital code and

Yeah, so it all comes together and that's absolutely what they're doing.

Charlie Robinson (30:37.026)
The genetic side of it is really scary because these lunatics had talked about wanting to do this, of course, years ago. If it had been up to them, they would have done this with Cecil Rhodes and the Round Table in like the late 1800s. They could have figured out a way to get rid of all the Brown people. They would have done it. But now they have the technology to do that.

And whenever all these tests were coming back, people were like, am I testing positive or negative with this PCR test? I was like, it doesn't matter. You're testing positive for giving your information to some unknown entity who is most definitely collecting it and doing God knows what. I don't know, linking you to some obscure, nonsense, fake crime from 20 years, some rape from 30 years ago that they just made up and pinned on you genetic, you left your genetic sequence at the scene of the crime.

How can you explain that? Like, I have no idea. How'd your genetic sequence get there? I have no idea. You took a PCR test in 2020 to see if you had the flu, and now the Chinese have your genetic sequence and can do it and can build actual replicas of you in some underground lab somewhere. I don't know, maybe, maybe not. I don't know why they'd want more of us. They're trying to depopulate us.

Zowe (31:51.322)
Right. Well, it's so nefarious because I mean, absolutely in every way they can. they're creating like and it is all about the tools that they have now and exploiting the tools that they have now versus back then because I did a like a deep dive going down like a century worth of history to figure out like where even did

where did the coding system come from? Because I knew that was what was being exploited to hide all the genocide. And I somehow figured out this is how they measure everything. So I went back and found there was a guy who is like the father of epidemiology, William Farr. He's the guy who came up with the two weeks to flatten the curve. He's very much into germ theory.

And he was a eugenicist and he was so nefarious in what he did. He was in the census office. He was collecting all this information and he said, we need multiple databases so we can cross reference all this information. He wanted everything on everybody centralized in one location. That's what they have been trying to do for over a century. And now they finally have the tools to do it. So now they've got Palantir that has all our electronic health information. If we're vaccinated,

or not, they've got programs built into there to use that information that can assign us risk scores and predict behavior and then execute the target. I mean, they have another program called Gotham that basically is a military program to execute. mean,

It is so nefarious and the whole point is to get multiple databases. So not just the gene banks, but also to get your health information, your social media information, your bank information, everything about you so that they can then predict behavior. we're absolutely moving into this pre-crime territory where they're using that information to basically exterminate us or, you know, choose who's going to be the

Zowe (33:56.336)
the positive, you know, who's going to be the positive eugenics group that gets promoted and who's going to be the negative eugenics group that gets exterminated. William Farr would be proud with how far we've come with things like Palantir and Gene Banks and all of that. If they had those tools back then, I don't know if we'd be having this conversation today.

Charlie Robinson (34:11.797)
Yeah, I bet.

Charlie Robinson (34:18.708)
Yeah, Brzezinski talked about that too, that they were only limited by the technology. Otherwise they'd kill a million people instantly if they could. This is a really dangerous network of people. get nervous about, of course, the future of this. I wonder...

I wonder, mean, unfortunately my mind goes to like these really bad places. I start thinking about like what these lunatics are up to with organ harvesting and medical research and cadaver research and all the stuff that we hear a little bit about on surface level of the medical industry. hear about organ harvest, well, organ, you know, the above board organ donation services. And people are like, you know, this is if you

You you die in some unfortunate circumstance or you're near death and you you can give your lungs to some other guy who needs it. Like, you know, all sold as a benefit, benefit, nice of you to do, great of you to do, get your organ donor designation status on your license, you know, all that stuff so that we know when we're pulling the wallet out of your half dead body, whether or not we should finish you off or, you know, try to bring you back. What is really going on?

Zowe (35:18.214)
yeah.

Zowe (35:34.99)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (35:36.94)
when you scratch below the surface of that because look, these are the same people that are trying to kill you. I don't want them in charge of organ harvesting, you know, for good or evil, but I get the feeling that there's way more to this story. What did you find?

Zowe (35:52.628)
God, yes. So even before I started waking up to any of the COVID stuff or vaccine stuff, I would tell everybody I know just from my experience in healthcare, do not put yourself down as an organ donor. Never allow anyone to give you an organ and don't give your organs, which sounds horrible to people who are like, but you you want to, you know, preserve people we love or whatever. The part that I knew at that time,

that most people don't know is organs, transplanted organs, will only last about 10 years. So if you are 40, you have a kidney transplant, that'll probably last till you're about 50, then you need another one. Then you have to go through the procedure again, you might get another kidney, you might live another 10 years.

Once you're on one these organ transplants, any kind of organ transplant, even if it's a stem cell, which is basically just a transfusion, sometimes they take even take out your own stem cells and then they'll hold it like in a fridge or whatever and it's called autologous and they'll transfuse that back in. And I know a family member who had that done. And guess what they do after that? They make you get all your vaccines again throughout your entire life because now you're no longer

which is just diabolical in and of itself. But then they put you on these organ anti-rejection drugs, which are horrible. They're just basically pure toxins, and they shut down your immune system. So it's really, really hard on your body to even be an organ acceptor, a transplant recipient is the name. What I did not know and what I've been finding out a lot about

sense is that people are alive when the organs are harvested and they have to be alive when the organs are harvested and nobody really involved in the whole organ thing except for maybe the surgeons are aware

Zowe (37:53.457)
that the patient is alive when this happens. Because me as a coder, it was actually my job, I worked at a hospital, multiple hospitals, that did organ transplants. And to get your certification to be a coder, you have to take a test. And one of the things is how do you code an organ transplant? So we're all familiar with how you read an operative report and which organ you're taking, which patient's going into and how to assign the proper codes for the procedure. So we all know what happens and we know how to assign the codes.

gets to a point in reality where you get to see the entire chart. What happens is patient is declared brain dead and they have a consultant come in and two different doctors certify patient's brain dead and then they basically deceased the patient. So like your coding job is done at that point and you can tell from the record that

People are walking in at that point to prep the patient for the transplant. But what happens then is a manager takes that chart away. You never see it again. They change the name of the patient to transplant, blah, blah, and it's under a new account number. So it would never be connected with the original chart. And if somebody else who touches it, which is why I say everything is so siloed to where you would never actually know everything that's going on in healthcare. You have to actually like be in different departments.

to actually even get any sort of an idea what's going on. So I started to put this together. I realized how nefarious the whole organ transplant thing was. But then another layer is I was doing research for my book. And one of the things that has been brought up is the whole lipid nanoparticle thing and graphene and how graphene

is in the lipid nanoparticle and some people debate that but I think it's pretty true, pretty well proven and that there's connective properties between 5G or Wi-Fi or whatever and graphene. But the other thing they're using graphene for is organ transplants.

Zowe (40:04.888)
like to create tissues that they could implant. So they're trying to use graphene to implant all these different and make it so we can actually grow and engineer an organ partially out of graphene and transplant that so we don't actually need a live human. So I really think it's going towards this transhumanist.

Charlie Robinson (40:07.615)
Okay.

Zowe (40:31.374)
Direction just based on the research that I'm the peer-reviewed research that I'm seeing coming out in the journals on that they're literally trying to get to a point where It's not really even a human that's going to be donating the organs. It's going to be stuff that's grown in a

Zowe (40:51.205)
I think that's ultimately where they're trying to end up with the whole organ transplant scheme.

Charlie Robinson (40:59.203)
Is that why Dick Cheney's had so many heart transplants? Because they just don't last too long?

Zowe (41:04.784)
Maybe they're all running screaming because they don't want to be there.

Can you imagine? Like the Aliens

Charlie Robinson (41:15.517)
You know, good, I have great news for you, ma'am. Your husband's heart is going to found a new home. And I have also bad news. It's Dick Cheney. It's Dick Cheney's chest is where it's going. So, you know, I'm sorry about that. this this is I mean, again, that's one of these areas, organ transplants, organ donors that it's like it's shielded with this good guy persona. We're like, you can't challenge that. What are you?

You're going to prevent some some guy who you know, like as an example, like as I said, they they murdered my friend, Kev Baker. Kev Baker had a great show, the Kev Baker show in Scotland. I was on there every month for four years. He was one of my favorite people. He was had COPD and and he was on the government health care system there, which required him to get vaccinated. He did not want to do it. It was against his will during the covid. But the reason why he had to do it, he told me.

they're gonna throw me off the lung transplant list. He needed a lung transplant for COPD. He's like, they're gonna throw me off the list if I don't take the vaccines. If they throw me off the list, I won't get a lung, I'm gonna die. If I do take the vaccines, I may get a lung and I may die from that. He was in a no-win situation. Then they compounded that when he came in the hospital, they put him on a ventilator and that was the end. I have a level of...

of hatred in my heart for these people that is probably unhealthy for me, but I've got it anyway, and it's not for nothing. It's because they killed people close to me, a lot of people.

Zowe (42:53.252)
I do too. My dad had COPD and he died about a year ago. He had three shots and he got a blood disorder. And I do believe that the blood disorder helped lead to his death because it has to do with oxygen carrying capacity. When you have COPD and you're not able to get oxygen in, the amount of oxygen your blood can carry to your organs is critical.

So I do believe that even though I don't think it was like a direct cause, because it was the COPD that progressed that led to the end, but at least I was able to keep him at home and off a ventilator. Cause I told him all the horror stories of what happened to people in the hospital and he didn't want to go. So at least I was able to keep him at home. I don't think they would have let him be on an organ transplant list. And thank God I didn't have to go through that cause that would have been.

I would been so torn about what do I even do? Do I let my dad go through it or you know, I guess it comes down to you know, the person's individual choice. But yeah, everybody has a story of how the medical industry is trying or tried to kill us or someone we know. like right there at the end, my dad, he just needed like some refills on medications and his doctor had like a, you can go to like,

Health grades or something like that and she got special gold stars for vaccinating her patients And she literally kicked him out of her practice because he wouldn't get a fourth Booster because he was already injured and she knew that and she had the documentation That's how diabolical these people are they won't look at the evidence right in front of them And it's why I call it a cult because logically if you're trying to do the best thing for your patient

you're trying to do no harm, you're trying to respect their decision for their body, you wouldn't treat patients like that.

Charlie Robinson (44:51.52)
You know, you're in an industry, or at least you were in an industry that measures and quantifies everything that you can get you. It's literally your job is to find the stats. But how much was unquantifiable during the COVID era? You know, the people who hugged their loved ones goodbye through plastic sheets or put their palms up against the window. The grandparents who were

scared and alone and old and dying in a hospital separated from their spouse of 50 years, know, would no ability. I'll never forgive these people for what they did. It is easy, you know, you, put a couple years distance between us and the events and it seems like it's in the past, but I refuse to let some of this stuff go, man, until there's accountability for it. There's nobody's held.

Zowe (45:46.533)
Right.

Charlie Robinson (45:47.501)
Nobody is held, nobody's going to prison for this. Nobody's going to jail for murder. Andrew Cuomo is running for mayor of New York City again. He should be in handcuffs. They should be debating whether or not what his last meal is going to be. Not whether or not he should be the mayor of New York City. He should be thrown off the Empire State Building.

Zowe (45:51.748)
No.

Zowe (46:05.819)
Yeah, or does he get the electric chair or lethal injection? Because I think the injection would be too fast.

Charlie Robinson (46:09.188)
Exactly. Those are the only choices that should be made with that guy. but again, you saw this, we all saw it from a different angle, right? But you can't measure the pain. You can't put that on a spreadsheet somewhere. You can't get compensated from Big Pharma for that, for the untold horrors that we experienced because somebody decided to reimagine society

Zowe (46:22.458)
No.

Charlie Robinson (46:38.998)
over a virus that didn't even exist.

Zowe (46:41.435)
Yeah. I actually just connected with someone in the UK who actually worked at NHS in the UK for a little while. And he's starting something called the Post-COVID Trauma Institute. And he believes that probably every one of my subscribers, maybe a lot of your audience too, has what he is calling post-COVID trauma syndrome, which is like a PTSD related to COVID. And it's not just

Charlie Robinson (47:06.67)
Yeah.

Zowe (47:10.779)
people who experience like a direct death or even knew what was going on. It's the change in society, the loss that we felt with whatever happened to your job or there's just so many different layers of it. And he says that, you know, we've all really lived through a genocide. It's still happening and we're still surviving a genocide. And there is a kind of trauma.

that goes with that. And I think what you're talking about quantifying, that's what the statistical system to measure eugenics that I call ICD-10 can't measure. It wasn't designed to measure that. It wasn't designed to measure human pain and suffering. To me, the worst part was when they separate, when they turn hospitals into nobody can go unless you're a patient, you can't see visitors anymore, and they put security at the doors.

because I was reading records of, and of course these patients were dead already so there was nothing I could do, but I was reading records every single day of family members trying to go into the hospital to break their family members and their friends out. And police and security would be called to throw the family members out while the medical care team was in there killing their family member. And to me, like the amount of trauma that people

Like the most, one of the most sacred and precious things in life is a birth and a death. Because at a death, and I can say that now, at least you are there for the person, you get closure, and it's really more about the people that the deceased person has left behind. To get that moment with your parent or with your loved one or whatever and be able to say whatever it is.

or just spend some time with them and let them know like, I'm here for you, I care. That is so human and they can't measure that. And they can't measure what it costs when you take that away from people. But so many people are suffering with not being able to say goodbye to their loved ones because of that, on top of losing people suddenly to vaccines or turbo cancer or whatever, maybe losing their job and their house and their livelihood in some cases like me.

Zowe (49:38.527)
There's so many different layers and you can quantify maybe some of it like if you lost a job you can say well there's this much money I would have made but there's no system that can measure like for the parents that didn't get to say because they wouldn't allow fathers to be in the delivery room when moms were delivering babies. can't I mean I'm not a parent but I couldn't imagine being a father and being denied that

Charlie Robinson (49:46.894)
Right.

Charlie Robinson (50:07.263)
I was. I was in there. I was a sobbing mess. They should have thrown me out. But that's that's one of those things I'll never forget, right? It's one of the again to steal to steal a memory like that from somebody. I'm glad that they're doing that in the UK. I'm glad that they're they're trying to draw some attention to this. It's hard to it's hard for someone in my position to complain about. I mean, I'm frustrated and I.

Zowe (50:07.43)
most precious opportunity in life.

Charlie Robinson (50:36.931)
make myself known that I am. But so many other people had it a hundred times worse than I did, right? And I'm angry from just my almost like observer standpoint in it. I didn't, I wasn't locked down. I never, I worked from home. I went wherever I wanted anyway. So I didn't experience a lot of this and I was still frustrated. And so I'd recognize that these people who've had to say goodbye to...

family members because that I did this last year with my mom. I was there at the end for her death. I managed that entire process. If somebody had told me, I don't know, in the last hours that I wasn't allowed to go in there, I would have murdered them with my own hands. And then I would have been there for my mom. And then when that was over, I would walk out with my arms up and say, you can put the cuffs on me.

but I will smother you to get to my mother in there who's dying. And then we can sort this out with the repercussions of that later. I can't imagine people being put in that situation and then having to make that calculation, trying to break their family members out of the hospital so that the hospital won't murder them and being turned away by armed guards. People ask why I hate the police so much. That's why I hate the police so much. It's things like that.

Zowe (52:01.477)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (52:03.823)
Where is your humanity? Where is your soul? Like, we don't have a problem with people breaking the rules in this country, although you'd like to think of it. We have a problem with compliance. We have a problem with too many people doing exactly what they're told to do and not thinking about it and challenging it. Man, that happened during COVID and that was an epidemic.

Zowe (52:16.4)
Yes.

Zowe (52:22.258)
I was just following orders. Yep, exactly. I have the exact same complaint and problem and totally agree with you that we are at a place now where no one has been held accountable. The PREP Act is preventing anyone from being held accountable. And this could happen again at any point in time because the people who are there have proven they are order followers. As an example, at one time, I think it was 2021 in Arizona. I was visiting Arizona for a little while.

and they just changed the law to where the state couldn't shut anything down. couldn't mandate masking or distancing or anything. It was the business owner's decision if they wanted to do anything like that. I think it was the only state to have that rule for a while until all the states, everything went away. And so I decided on this entire trip, I'm not gonna mask, I'm not gonna distance, I'm gonna challenge every single place, no matter what, and see how far I get.

I walked in, most of the in Arizona were fine, but I walked in one place and they had an armed security guard and I didn't get my pinky toe in there. Everyone in there was in a line, all distance, military style with their masks on. And I go to walk in, I don't have my mask or anything. I didn't get my pinky toe in the door before the guy and he's like foot taller than me is standing in my face, towering over me, yelling at me, telling me I need to wear a mask and I need to comply and

At that point, I didn't really care about shopping at the store. I just wanted to make a point that this guy is following orders and he needs to decide which side he wants to be on. So I started asking him questions about, you think masking works now after a year? Do you think increasing masking compliance is going to change anything? Because literally the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. It's been a year, so what do you think? And the way I phrased the questions, he couldn't answer any of them.

So he just kept saying, well, I'm just following orders. And I went, you know what? That's what the Nazis said during the Nuremberg Trials. And I mean, side note, we can dissect what the Nuremberg Trials really were. But the point of the story is not to be an order follower. And that's why I use that as an example. And he goes, ha, ha, ha, well, I'm part German.

Zowe (54:44.443)
So I just thought it would be funny to say that. like they literally just laugh it off like like they have no conscience or soul at all. And at that point I just stared at him and I went, you know what? I'm part German too, but I'm not a Nazi. And I walked.

Charlie Robinson (54:49.263)
I don't know.

Charlie Robinson (55:01.958)
It's tough to, you know, there's a lot of people whose jobs depended on not understanding what was going on, or, you know, saying, just following orders. I have no respect for that. have a talk, you know, it's a pretty sad way to live. This is, you know, these are really heavy topics. I've found that, you know, in writing about this, these sorts of things, it really takes...

Zowe (55:11.88)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (55:30.426)
takes a toll on me. How have you been holding up, we've been talking about kind of a new version of PTSD, how have you been holding up in this aftermath of it? Because it feels like some people, COVID broke them, and some people came out of it steel-plated, like ready to handle anything and on a mission and really motivated. In the aftermath, looking back on all of this now,

Zowe (55:55.539)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (55:59.514)
you know, five years from when it started, four years from when the vaccines rolled out. How do you view the future moving forward? it clearly it didn't break you. How you feeling?

Zowe (56:09.618)
No, they tried. I feel like I was forged in fire at this point and nothing can stop me and nothing can take me down. I know that might sound like a little full of myself, but it's only after being up against so much and then overcoming each and every challenge that has been handed to me. I I rebuilt my website six different times in one year and I'm still going. I've had multiple payment processors shut me down and try and debank me and I'm still going.

Charlie Robinson (56:21.657)
That's good.

Zowe (56:39.058)
I've had I've been shadow banned. I've been homeless I Mean literally everything you could possibly think of I've had family members die I got divorced. I lost everything Literally my life will never be the same again, but I found a strength like I never knew that I had out of the whole thing and I don't know it's giving me because of that inner strength that that's why I keep going on despite

everything despite the continued intense Attacks that continue to never stop I mean I'm to the point where even the people that have been helping me are telling me take a step back you should walk away and I'm like no this is when you double down. This is when you lean in and for the future I I Have hope that we're gonna get out of this, but I think it will get worse before it gets better unfortunately

In 2020 and 2021, I started to hear a lot of people say, oh, I think it's going to have to get worse before it gets better. And I even read a whole bunch of letters from my grandpa from World War II throughout the whole process of World War II. just reading and analyzing, because he was actually in the war, and these were when he was in the military. And so we couldn't really say what was going on, because everything was

Like his job at one point was even to censor all the letters that were going home. So I mean they still did that back then but I got the sense that it had to get worse before it got better. And unfortunately I think we're still in the process of getting worse. I don't want it to be true but I think not enough people have had enough pressure put on them to really get to that point to decide well okay do I want to give up my livelihood? Do I really want to give up on

Charlie Robinson (58:06.49)
Right. Yeah.

Zowe (58:31.474)
to the bank in order to hold to my morals and my ethics and I think more and more people are going to have to come to that point and then very very quickly it'll be like like a ball rolling down the hill like I think it'll move really fast because when you look at things like what happened in America 1776 when we formed

the Constitution and everything. There was about a 10 year process where everything had to get exponentially worse until enough pressure was applied that everyone went, okay, we're done. And then they started doing, taking things into their own hands. And I am seeing a lot of people taking things into their own hands. And the more I see that, the more hope I get. But I think this digital ID thing is...

is going to put the pressure on and people are going to be tested at least one more time. I'm seeing a lot of propaganda about another measles outbreak in different countries are starting to mask up again and lock down again. So like that's definitely still brewing. They might still try and work some kind of pandemic scenario again. The immigration situation is obviously going to boil over I think here pretty soon.

So I don't think we're done yet. I don't think they're done with us yet. But I do think that we'll come out ahead. I'm not sure how that's going to happen. I just, know people like you and like me are out there like at least trying to help guide people toward a better future. And that gives me a lot of hope because I'm starting to see more and more people just like go out on their own and do things for themselves. Like more people are involved in homesteading and finding community.

Charlie Robinson (59:54.629)
I don't either.

Charlie Robinson (01:00:19.813)
Yeah.

Zowe (01:00:21.019)
now than ever before and that's a really great thing to see.

Charlie Robinson (01:00:25.636)
Yeah, wouldn't it be funny if COVID woke up a large segment of the population to the bullshit and they just opted out and they just decided they don't want to participate in this, whether it's big pharma, know, maybe it's big pharma that starts them down this path of not wanting to play ball with all these people. And maybe it's banking after that. And maybe they just say, screw it. I don't even want to live around people like that. I want to go live in some intentional community someplace with a bunch of like-minded people and not be...

worried that the welfare queens of the state are all going to rise up and freak out because EBT got turned off or whatever. I want to be around sane people. It'd be hilarious if COVID backfired and wound up waking up the world to what they doing.

Zowe (01:01:10.311)
Well, you know what's kind of ironic along those lines is that, and I think this trend is continuing to this day, that in America, everyone was told, our government's great, Mexico's the one that's corrupted. They've got all these drug cartels and their government is paid off by the drug cartels, so Mexico's totally corrupt. That's why Mexicans are coming up to America. And I mean, even I grew up in a farming community and there's a lot of Mexicans that have moved up.

Mexico so like Spanish is almost a second language here even though it's nowhere near Mexico and so there's this whole American mentality of keep them in Mexico they're taking our jobs and that has gone totally backwards and now Americans are moving to Mexico for more freedom and the ironic thing is they're doing it because they know our government is corrupt and at least in Mexico they know that like that's a part of the culture at unlike America

Charlie Robinson (01:02:05.709)
Yeah. Yeah.

That's so funny. Yeah. The, and the irony is that the Mexicans in Mexico are getting mad because all the gringos are coming down there and screwing it up. It's like, Oh, Hey, listen, I grew up in Southern California. You might want to sit this one out in terms of who's coming where from where, you know? I mean, geez. Um, but

Zowe (01:02:18.355)
you

Zowe (01:02:26.979)
my god, yeah you did an episode on Welcome to Kami Fornia and that has been my experience in Oregon because the Californians all come up here and we have we even have a bumper sticker now that says don't California my Oregon because it's been happening so much.

Charlie Robinson (01:02:31.204)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (01:02:35.846)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (01:02:44.164)
Yeah, yeah, well, it's a, a trip to go through all of this. Well, where's the best place for people to find you if they want to buy your books or, you know, get their website rebuilt by you?

Zowe (01:02:56.627)
Yeah, it's something I can do now unfortunately so I did rebuild my website is now working in private secure server So you go to thrill kill medical cult calm and I just turned on payments today I've been working on that for like four straight weeks, so I finally got that going again So you can actually purchase books through the website now as of today So and that is the only place to get the book I've had to pull them off of Amazon and

press and Draft2Digital because they wouldn't pay me. fought Draft2Digital for a year to pay me. Lulu Press was playing games with taking my book out of global distribution and just like different stuff so I decided you know what I don't want to fight you to get paid I'm just gonna take I make the most when people buy direct from me anyway so let's cut out the middleman don't give Jeff Bezos anything buy on Amazon buy from

Eventually, I will get it back out, but that's when I do an updated version so for now It's just eBay for international and thrill kill medical cult calm Also, I'm doing a release on sub stack so I'm on sub stack at zoe sub stack calm so we sub stack calm and for paid subscribers only I'm doing a I have been doing a one chapter per month, but I'm gonna up that to probably like one chapter per week

Charlie Robinson (01:03:52.422)
There you go.

Zowe (01:04:21.236)
or every two weeks, something like that. And I'll be running the older chapters too, so you can get everything. But I'm never gonna have the whole book on Substack at once, is the thing, because people just take the book and get it for free off there. So $5 a month and you get access to the book and it has audiobook, which I just released and you can buy it now today. Ebook, and it's kind of like a mixed media between all of them, the print copy, the ebook and the...

the audio on Substack. So it's kind of a cool medium to check it out.

Charlie Robinson (01:04:54.532)
Yeah, well, I hope people will go over there and support your work. When Berwick and I put out the Controlled Demolition of the American Empire, we put it out on the Friday before the election in 2020. On Saturday, literally the next day, there was another book called A Summary of the Controlled Demolition of the American Empire that was available literally 24 hours later. was our book, like summarized or, I don't know, I never bought it, but I saw it and I messaged Jeff and I said,

He goes, he goes, is this, this isn't you, is it? I said, no, it's not me. I didn't even know this was here. And he said, I said, what do you want to do about it? He goes, I don't give a shit. Just leave them, leave them up there. But I did, I did have to message Amazon one time. And when I, when it came time to do audio books and I was like, there's somebody squatting on my audio book. You're going to need to throw them out of there. So there was an audio book of my book before there was an actual one. So I don't

I don't know how it all works, but I know that there's some fuckery afoot on Amazon. So if people are interested in getting your book, just go directly to thrillkillmedicalcult.com. That's Zoe Smith. Everybody go out there and support her work. Follow her on Substack and on social media. If you can find it out there, she's the most banned person around. Must be something good in that book. You might want to go out there and check it out for yourself. And if you want to connect with me, macroaggressions.io is the website. Best place to do that.

Thanks everybody, we'll talk to you again later.