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Announcer: This is a Getty
podcast.

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Zoe Goldman: On your
mark, get set, go!

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Because we’re going for
gold in this special

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Olympics bonus episode.

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[crowd cheers]

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[Theme music begins]

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Welcome to If Objects Could
Talk, a podcast where art

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and artifacts get to leave
the museum vault and tell

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their side of the story.

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Usually.

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Child: What?

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Zoe: This week we are doing
something a little different.

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Child: Oh?

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Zoe: With the Olympics
opening ceremonies happening

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this week, I wanted to step
back in time to learn about

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the very first Olympics.

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[Greek music begins]

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Picture this: the
year is 776 BCE.

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That’s almost 3000 years ago.

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We are in the city of
Olympia in southern Greece.

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That’s actually why the Olympics
are called the Olympics,

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because they began in Olympia.

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And it’s summertime, so
it’s really hot there.

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[crowd chatter]

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We don’t really know why these
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came together to compete.

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Olympia was a center for
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have started as a religious
festival, [chanting and

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gongs] or it could have been
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[soldiers march] Or
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competitive sports when they
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[crowd claps over battle sounds]

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Whatever the reason, these
Olympic games became something

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to celebrate every four years.

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Thousands of people from across
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representing different
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distances, put aside their
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and fighting, and competed.

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[horse hoofbeats]

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In modern times, I love
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the world race and perform
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definitely not how the Greeks
experience the Olympics.

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For starters, they didn’t
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[electric sound] let alone
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[TV news sound]

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So when I heard archeologist
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about these ancient games,
I ran straight to the

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Getty Villa to hear more.

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Come with me.

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[Footsteps running
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Oh, hi Shelby.

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Thanks so much for talking
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the ancient Olympics.

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Shelby Brown: I’m
so happy to be here.

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I love the Olympics.

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Zoe: Awesome.

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Okay, so first things first.

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I was just imagining we had
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those early competitions.

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[Harp sounds play, then
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But how would we even know
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When I wanted to learn about
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just turned to the internet
and it was all right there.

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[Computer typing]

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Shelby: Well, it’s very hard
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for most of human history, all
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[marketplace sounds] People
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in the city centers about
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the city government made
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blows] , and sometimes the city
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[pen scratch]

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But also the Olympic games
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[crowd cheers] and they
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years and everyone knew it.

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And they lasted about 1100
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So there was no doubt
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Zoe: Wow.

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That’s a really long time
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People must have really
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Okay, so let’s say we decided
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hometown to this big event.

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What would we see when
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Shelby: Well, first you’d
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[percussion music begins]
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and it was sort of miserable.

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When you got there, you’d
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Zoe: That sounds
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You must really want to go,
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And then if we did, if it’s
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to find once we’re in Olympia?

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Shelby: Well, the most
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is the sanctuary to Zeus,
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they were—it was maybe like
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that would last for days.

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Zoe: Who’s doing all of this?

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Shelby: It was mostly men
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chattering] to compete
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representatives of their cities.

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Although some women came
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of caravan atmosphere.

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But people went because it was
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The same reason we do today.

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Zoe: Okay, so let’s say I’m
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little camping in the name
of friendly competition.

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What events are we
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Anything I’d recognize?

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Shelby: At the very
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going to see one event
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Announcer: Ready, set, go!

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[footsteps running]

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Zoe: Oh, like the marathon?

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That one’s Greek, right?

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Shelby: That came about
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think of as one of the
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races of the Greeks, but
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equivalent of a 200 yard dash.

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This event was so important
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years, the ancient Greeks
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Olympiads, which were the four
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[Exciting music begins]

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They named the Olympiad after
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[crowd cheers] even after
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and boxing and discus and
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the things that we recognize.

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This was the most
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So if you won the foot
race, Zoe, you might hear

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somebody reference day
30 of year three of Zoe.

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[announcing horn]

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Zoe: I think I could
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Why was running so popular?

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Shelby: Well, we still love
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on earth, now we say, but
the fastest person in ancient

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Greece was pretty important.

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The idea of a single person
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and heavy breathing] , no
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sort, just running as fast as
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was very, very, very impressive.

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And it still is today,
thousands of years later.

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Zoe: You say no gear, but
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Shelby: So no equipment means
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naked, [person gasps] no
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[low voice says “whoa”] The
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was to coat their bodies
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and probably a little sand
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before they started running.

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Zoe: [record scratch] Wait, no.

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Why are they naked?

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Why are they covered in oil?
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Shelby: The Greeks
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nakedness in, let’s be
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They did not walk
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[voice says “phew”] One ancient
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later, looking back through
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that one of the runners [crowd
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loin cloth [crowd gasps] back in
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the equivalent of shorts [crowd
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but at any rate, that is
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for how it all happened.

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Zoe: Okay, so no clothes 
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What’s with the oil?

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Shelby: Oil was an ordinary
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cleansing thing that the
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And when they were going
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oil [splashing oil] their
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dust or sand on them to
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And basically used oil as
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running or exercising.

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Zoe: If there’s no soap,
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Shelby: There’s a special tool
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metal tool, [metal sound] and
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it brings up all the dirt and
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[“crowd says yuck”] And it sort
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can flick it away, or you can
flick it into a jar, [metal

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chime] which some people did
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[angelic sound]

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Zoe: Okay, so after all this,
I think that there are some

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things I would recognize
and some things I definitely

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would not if we showed up
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I’m also not hearing a
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Were there Winter
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Shelby: There were absolutely
no Winter Olympics.

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That was a ridiculous
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[people say “no” and “as
if”] It was already hard

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enough to travel to the
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[Cold winds blow] Coming to
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heat and no convenience in the
winter, in the snow, and then

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doing sports events in the snow?

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That’s just crazy.

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Zoe: Not a great place
to be naked, I guess.

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[person says “ooh, it’s cold”]

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Shelby: And not a great
place to be naked.

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Absolutely not.

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Zoe: Okay, so these Winter
Olympics are a modern invention.

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How do we get from the ancient
Olympics [triumphant horn]

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to now?

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[more elaborate horn with drums]

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Shelby: You have to make
a big jump from 386 CE,

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about 1500 years, to 1894.

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[triumphant music begins]
When it was decided to revive

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the ancient style Olympics
as summer games and with men.

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And over time, people,
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It wasn’t enough.

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They kept adding events as
you notice, if you watch the

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Olympics, and they decided
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a hundred years ago in 1924.

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[skier speeds past] And women
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participate too in 1900.

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Zoe: So overall then, these
ancient Olympics and the

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modern Olympics that we know
today are pretty different.

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But they still
won awards, right?

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Like this is a competition.

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Were there gold medals?

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[cheering and victorious horns]

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Shelby: There were
no gold medals.

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The award at Olympia was an
olive wreath [peaceful music

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begins] in honor of Zeus.

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That was a pretty big deal.

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And when you got home.

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In most cases, cities were so
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their athletes won, they would
give them things like free

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lunch for life and a stipend
to live on and help them

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get into politics and so on.

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So it really wasn’t that
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for the honor and glory.

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The glory led places.

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One of the weird things that
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is that an award could be that
your city or your family would

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commission a poet to write a
song about you and then people

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would sing it in public at
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[Energetic Greek music begins]

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Reader: Olympian 14, by Pindar.

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And bring the fine news to his
father; / See Kleodamos and

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tell him / How his son, / In the
famous valleys of Pytho, / Has

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crowned his young hair / With
the wings of glorious triumph.

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Zoe: So is that how we
know all this stuff about

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a competition that happened
thousands of years ago?

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Shelby: Yes!

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We have lots of writings
about the Olympics and lots

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of images on art, which
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people often who when they’re
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their own time, don’t think
that something isn’t obvious.

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They think, oh, I know this.

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Everybody else will.

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But you know, 2000, 3000 years
later, you don’t know what on

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earth they’re talking about.

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So it’s really nice to see art
that clarifies how an event

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was run or how you stood.

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But there’s a ton
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I mean, over thousands of years,
so much information got lost.

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But archeologists are
still digging up evidence

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for ancient games and
special events like these.

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[sounds of digging] So
we’ll keep learning more.

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Zoe: Shelby, this was so great.

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Thank you for teaching us so
much about the ancient Olympics.

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I have one more
question for you.

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What event are you most
excited for this year?

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Shelby: Well, it’s Winter
Olympics, so I like something

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the Greeks would’ve been
completely astonished

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about, which is ice skating.

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[sparkling and skates sliding]

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Zoe: I love it.

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Thank you again.

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Shelby: Bye.

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See you next Olympics.

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[Theme music begins]

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Zoe: If you liked this
episode, leave us a review

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and let us know your
favorite Olympic sport.

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Have something you’re dying to
ask about the ancient Olympics?

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Write to us at 
podteam@getty.edu.

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This episode was produced
by me, Zoe Goldman.

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Special thanks to Shelby
Brown for speaking with us.

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Christopher Sprinkle
is executive producer.

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Music and Sound Design
by Alexandra Kalinowski.

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Catch you next time.