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Welcome everybody to to this

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for special on many levels. And

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an actual gunmaker.

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An actual gunmaker.

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And this conversation, we we wanted to have

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with an actual gunmaker, somebody who designed a

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a long time ago, brought it to market,

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what is it now, two years ago when

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it actually hits the market.

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Yeah. One and a half, two and a

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half years. The gun's been on the market.

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Yeah. How long has it been in, in

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in product or not production, but in design?

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prototypes

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in 02/2014.

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So, you know, it was it was the

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original discussion about, hey. It'd be fun if

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we started a gun company. Rob, you could

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design a gun.

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That conversation

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happened

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2013.

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And then within a year and a half,

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we were shooting a prototype,

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and then it, you know, for various reasons,

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took almost another decade to get it to

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market.

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Yeah. We we've been seeing a lot of

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people on the YouTubes and the internets talking

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about the p three twenty. I, unfortunately, jumped

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on the bag when bandwagon to yell at

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people because I have a

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a a thing about why the p three

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twenty is is the way it is. We

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can talk about it later.

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But none of these people

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have designed a gun, made a gun, worked

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with the engineers directly to to make the

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gun. So I think this this is the

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the awesomeness of this conversation is to have

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somebody who knows what the fuck they're talking

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about. And one of the things that I

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I I I respect it always seems like

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we're kissing your ass, dude.

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But one of the things that I highly

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respect about

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about Rob Pique is is that

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he actually does the homework before he says

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the words. Well, 99% of the time, you

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do that.

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And there's a lot of there's a lot

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of knowledge and a lot of reading up

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on like, if you have a question about

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why the tap safety exists,

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Pincus knows the guy that designed the tap

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safety probably, and he's got them on text.

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It usually goes like that. Oh, let me

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text the guy right now. Let me text

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the guy. Yeah.

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That guy's a little that guy's too old

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for text. But

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Send him a fax?

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Yeah. Fax Fax him. Fax him in his

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car though because he made a lot of

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at any rate, we wanna have this conversation

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about, handgun engineering and the this whole idea

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of of a smooth trigger press or any

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other dumb shit,

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that the doucher brings

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out when it comes to a handgun for

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self defense. And and and I do wanna

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focus more on handguns for self defense. And

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too many humans forget that we're we're talking

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about handguns that were

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catered or at least marketed to the self

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defense market that maybe shouldn't be marketed to

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the self defense market like the p three

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twenty.

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Yeah. I I think that's a big part

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of it. Right? That

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and I you know, I've said this a

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lot, especially recently,

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but I've said it since the gun came

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out. You know? It it the trigger

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see, in any version seem to me to

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have too short a length of pull, and

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I see no reason why it it doesn't

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have a tab safety, which is common practice.

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I'm not even crazy about the hinge version

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of the tab safety that the m and

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p's use. Like, I just

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since Glock introduced that,

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since we understand, especially when you have a

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a striker fired gun that is, has a

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striker that is held in significant amount of

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rearward tension when everything's at rest waiting for

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somebody to pull the trigger,

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like, three twenty obviously is,

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then I I I feel like it should

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be obvious that you wanna tab safety on

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there. And,

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there was an incident.

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Let's just jump right into it if I

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with you with my three twenty thoughts. Yeah.

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Go ahead. Incident shortly after the three twenty

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came out, you know, I'm guessing it's like

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a decade ago. I think Fence has been

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out for eleven years now maybe.

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not not James Jaeger, but one of his

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guys from tactical response was at a range,

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for what I don't I don't pretend to

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understand all the nuances about it. I back

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in the day, I think I talked to

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James about it. He explained it. I didn't

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think it was a great idea, but I

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I sort of understand their rationale. And what

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they would do is they would take a

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gun, take a take a Glock,

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and they would,

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have it chambered, apparently,

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was the common practice, drop it on the

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ground and like stomp on the gun and

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kinda grind it into the ground a little

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bit to show that you you have to

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be willful, I think was the idea. You

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have to willfully, like, pull the trigger. Like,

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the gun just not gonna go bang.

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And one of his guys apparently unfamiliar with

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the three twenty

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tried that demo in a gravel or dirt

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parking lot in, outside of this range in

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California

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and stomped on the gun and and kicked

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it ground on it whatever he did. But

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in that little bit of twisting motion that

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ostensibly this guy had done or seen done

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repeatedly with a Glock with the three twenty,

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a round went into somebody's car. That's I

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remember that. And and so yeah. And they

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were, you know, oh, they're banned from there.

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like, James' reckless things. And,

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there are some things that James has done

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that I was

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that I would defend forever and just say

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that's I don't do it, but I I

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would defend it. That's not one I would

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defend, but I under I understand why they

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did it

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and disagree with it. But with the three

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twenty, it doesn't work. And one of the

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reasons it doesn't work is and that wasn't

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a drop safe issue. That was a crisp

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relatively short length of pull, the length from

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front to back from when you start engaging

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the trigger until the gun goes bang,

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and relatively light,

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trigger press. And I think the distance is

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far more important,

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the crispness or the shortness of the travel

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is far more important than the weight. And

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that historically now that the three twenty even

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through all its iterations and certainly,

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there's definitely more weight to the break now,

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apparently, the guns that are coming out nowadays,

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and I don't have a current model with

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me, but, like, the military guns. The break

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is is at a higher level, maybe five,

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six pounds, but

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it's still a very short distance of travel.

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hugely contributes to these incidents, and it takes

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away a really easy plausible deniability thing that

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SIG could say as well. It takes a

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certain amount of travel to set the gun

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off, and there's this little tab that if

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you're not actually engaging fully on the front

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of the trigger or something isn't engaging fully

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on the front of trigger, then the trigger

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can't move. Because I don't

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think they're wrong to be saying that

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to the best of their knowledge and to

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their understanding, the gun won't go bang unless

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the trigger is moved rearward. I just think

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the the asterisk on that should be,

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but it doesn't have to move much, and

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it's pretty easy to move it. So was

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Oh. Oh. Go ahead. I was gonna say,

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was the purpose of that demonstration at tactical

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response to to talk about carrying around in

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the chamber on a striker fired gun, and

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why I don't remember. Yeah. Like I said,

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I I probably knew the details, you know,

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eight, ten years ago, but I I don't

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remember exactly what the what the thing was.

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these guns don't just go bang. You have

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to willfully do it, like and it made

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it might even have been, like, you know,

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in my classes, I talk about dropping the

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gun. Right? Like if fire ants are crawling

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up your leg and you get hot brass

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in your glasses or something and you just

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can't safely control the gun, you gotta do

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something with your body, just drop the gun.

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And I tell people all the time, no.

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I don't throw a gun down that got

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a round chambered it just to make the

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point. Right? But I but I tell people

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all the time, like, if you haven't done

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something to your gun to make it not

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drop safe, then we're gonna move forward as

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if all these modern guns in the class

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are drop safe if we know them and

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believe them to be so, which is why

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with which, again, another problem with the three

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twenty, the non upgraded guns, from the original

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batches,

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which I think that was the first indication

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that SIG was not going to,

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you know, handle the three twenty

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the way I think a lot of other

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gun companies would have when they didn't do

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a mandatory recall on that original three twenty

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problem, the drop the 45 degree drop angle

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problem.

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They had this trigger that that is now

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the one that ships with it ready to

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go, so they obviously knew

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that, you know, you could make the trigger

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more robust, let's say. And in that initial

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batch, they chose, and this has been my

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statement on it, I believe they chose to

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market a target style gun with a target

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shooting style trigger

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to the market and ultimately to the military

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and law enforcement as a duty or carry

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type

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home defense type firearm. And I think that

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was a huge mistake, and I think it

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continues to be a mistake. And I think

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it's it's now, you know, definitely biting them

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in the ass, to have chased

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range performance type trigger

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performance,

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in in what ostensibly is being sold as

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a duty or carry gun.

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This was this was my my video that

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I just did when I jumped on the

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bag bandwagon to talk shit about the p

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three twenty. I've always talked shit about the

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SIG p three twenties.

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It's just not a gun that that that

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I was a a huge fan of for

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a variety of reasons.

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But my my complaint was

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it's it's kinda with SIG and gun manufacturers,

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but it's also the market. Right? Like, the

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the market thinks they know what they want.

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And, unfortunately, a lot of gun company gun

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companies will just market to them. This is

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how we ended up with subcompact firearms,

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the forty twos and the forty threes. And

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then all of a sudden,

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we realized as a market, oh, shit. These

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guns are not as awesome as we think

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they are. And then now we're back to

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the p three sixty five x macro. And

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now they got back to,

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the Glock 48 sizes and and Yeah. And

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the fuse, I think, is out there now

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is kind of the evolution. The three sixty

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five fuse is basically a, you know, a

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19 plus size gun.

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Yeah. So it it it's the market saying,

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on Reddit, we want these guns, and then

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the gun manufacturers see it, and they're like,

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well, shit. Let's make money. And and I

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get it from a from a business business

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perspective, but

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it it's we we see that a lot.

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People wanting

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shit that they don't know about.

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And then There's a cart there's a cart

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and a horse thing there for sure. Yeah.

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You know, look at look at what's happened

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with twenty elevens. But, you know, double stack

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nineteen elevens all of a sudden over the

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last five years have become

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super cool again.

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Yeah. And and people were carrying. People are

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showing up to the range with them. I

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had somebody show up to a class last

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week in New Mexico with one and, you

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know, he had malfunctions

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two minutes in, you know, and and it

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was, like, shock shocking. The 1911 style gun

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is the one that has the malfunctions.

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And they were they had a big problem

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with people finding out they were essentially series

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seventies for people who know nineteen elevens. They

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were an older version of a trigger style,

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that was not drop safe,

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and and they got into a lot of

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heat for that. So now they're making them

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drop safe.

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But I think I think what part of

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the problem and maybe this is where I

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fall, like, the responsibilities on me as a

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manufacturer

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to put a gun out there that is

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what it should be,

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not,

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you know, kinda give the people what they

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want, so to speak. It's about educating the

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consumers that that they get the best version

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of what they want, you know, or maybe

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the most practical version of what they want,

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balancing out all the various balances that have

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to go into a carry gun.

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When

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when it now I'm not making a lot

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of money.

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Right? Like Yeah. You know, so let's let's

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be honest about that. Right? I mean, to

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some extent, even these companies that are that

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are

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you know, people like, I I I kinda

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half jokingly

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really to push back on the America first.

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Right? For years, I've I've taken shit for

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having a

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driving a Toyota. Right? And and it's like

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because for years, I did. My FJ was

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my primary vehicle for a long time, then

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a four Runner.

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It's kinda gone away because I I drive

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other cars. I drove German cars, my primary

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cars for a while. And,

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I would always respond like, hey, when you

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have an American made phone and computer you

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can respond and criticize me from, let me

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know.

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You know?

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And and then then it's like you could

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go down the path of what most of

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the Toyota is made in US or the

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BMW x six is made in The US

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at German or at BMW's largest factory on

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the planet. You know, even though they were

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German automaker.

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So there are Americans being employed to do

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it all. But then, ultimately, if you're really

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gonna be this MAGA America first

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guy,

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why

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do we have, like, the handgun market in

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America

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dominated

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by people who are screaming America first

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and MAGA and whatever else dominated by European

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companies. They're like, well, they're in New Hampshire.

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That money goes to Europe. And and, you

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know, I've worked with a lot of these

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companies, not SICK in particular, but but the

401
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orders come from Europe too. And, you know,

402
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the the the policies come from Europe, and

403
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the approvals come from Europe, and the budgets

404
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get set in Europe, and the money flows

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back to Europe. And that's with SIG, and

406
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that's with Glock, and that's with with, you

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know, that you you know, all the companies

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that are there. And now, like, I do

409
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a lot of work with Canik now. Right?

410
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Canik's a Turkish company. I caught caught flack

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for a video I put up yesterday using

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a Canik because he was like, I don't

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use guns from Islamist nations that hate The

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US.

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And I was like,

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what? Do you use Caracol? Like, I don't

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know. Like, Islamic nations that like The US,

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The Emirates? I don't I don't know. You

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know, but that guy probably carries a Glock.

420
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Right? And Yeah. Or, you know, well, that's

421
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okay because it's made in Georgia.

422
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Even though the money flows back to Austria.

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So it's it's really

424
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to me, there's a lot of

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confusion in the marketplace

426
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when people say this is what I like.

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And you ask them why,

428
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and they hit a wall that that runs

429
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into a logic, you know, block real quick.

430
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They they they say they want a gun

431
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that's good for defense,

432
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but they use metrics of range performance.

433
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Correct. Right? And that's and that's the trigger.

434
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That's the sites. That's the the you gotta

435
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have a red dot if you're if you

436
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wanna be able to protect yourself. You know,

437
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red dots that didn't exist ten years ago.

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Right? Forget about twenty years ago, thirty years

439
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ago, the way they do now. I wonder

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how they defended themselves in the nineties without

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the red dots and Yeah. Urban So it's

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it's,

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you know, you gotta have 52 rounds. If

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you don't carry 52 rounds, you know, or

445
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whatever made up number,

446
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Even even one of the organizations that normally

447
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doesn't go so over the top put up

448
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a weird video the other day, and it

449
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was, like, a flash mob of looters,

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like, with bags and masks going to rob

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a store. And apparently, the the the scene

452
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is out in the street, and they all

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pull up and they all run-in, and then

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the store owner apparently fires a shot, waves

455
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a gun. The whole mob runs away, but

456
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the lesson's supposed to be if you're not

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prepared to shoot 52 people,

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you're not ready. And it's like Yeah. Dude

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wave the gun around and take a shot

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maybe in the ground, and they all ran

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away. Like so I don't know. There was

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a lot of influencers and and companies making

463
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that same point on that video.

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Yeah. Completely missing the point of,

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you know, one round did it. Now you

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could say, like, well, what if it didn't?

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Point to an example where something like that

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escalated to the point where somebody did need

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to take out all of those people. And,

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again, even if you if you found one.

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Right? It's like show me the show me

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a video of somebody responding to an ambush

473
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in the weaver position double tapping. Mhmm. Like,

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even after officers were trained for, you know,

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many, many years, some of them over a

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decade practicing doing that all the time, they

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don't do it. Once dash cameras started coming

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out, you know. And and in '97, I

479
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was looked at as really I was, you

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know, told I was a dumb upstart kid

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trying to be different just to be different

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for saying standing sideways and double tapping is

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stupid.

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But,

485
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you know, I don't see a lot of

486
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people doing that in in 2025.

487
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That aged well.

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I think smooth

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long trigger presses,

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in the four to six pound range for

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defensive carry, I think that'll age well too.

492
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And I honestly, like, one of the benefits

493
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of this conversation about the three twenty might

494
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be that we get to it. Now, unfortunately,

495
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we're already seeing the over correction now. Right?

496
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You got people like, yeah. The Beretta p

497
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x four storm is the best defensive gun

498
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ever.

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You don't because look at three twenties. They'll

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kill you. Double action, single actions, where it's

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at, bro.

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And it's like they're wearing basket weave shoes,

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you know,

504
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pushing their sleeves up. You got the dippity

505
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doo. Like, I don't know what's going on

506
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with Checking their pagers. Eighties eighties retro

507
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fax me in my car.

508
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So so let's talk a little bit about,

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the necessity of the

510
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or or lack of necessity of a competition

511
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trigger in a self defense

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context from the point of view of that

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kinesthetic and and,

514
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how the body reacts to the stress and

515
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what's important in that moment.

516
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Well, what I look at is the numbers.

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Right? Like, go to

518
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you know, I say it all the time.

519
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Like, Tom Gibbons at Rangemaster, he has the

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best dataset, you know, the most objective dataset

521
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that we're aware of as far as actual

522
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defensive handgun uses.

523
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But even if you look at broader

524
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anecdotal stuff, just the videos we see all

525
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the time, the dash camera videos. If you

526
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go to law enforcement and look at their

527
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numbers, what you usually need to do, and

528
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by usually I mean, like, 85 plus percent

529
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of the time, is hit a chest size

530
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target. Well, usually, it's what you see in

531
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that video is you shoot at the bad

532
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guy and they run away. So take all

533
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of those, which is the vast majority, like,

534
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as soon as the good guy starts making

535
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bang bang sounds, the bad guys all run

536
00:18:06,930 --> 00:18:09,009
away. Take that out of the equation. The

537
00:18:09,009 --> 00:18:11,430
bad guys that actually need to be shot,

538
00:18:11,865 --> 00:18:13,704
right, that need a physical stop, which is

539
00:18:13,704 --> 00:18:15,565
what we train for, what we carry for,

540
00:18:16,265 --> 00:18:19,224
you're talking about multiple rounds multiple rounds delivered

541
00:18:19,224 --> 00:18:19,724
quickly

542
00:18:20,825 --> 00:18:22,825
into the high center chest. Right? Like like,

543
00:18:22,825 --> 00:18:23,644
hit the torso

544
00:18:24,424 --> 00:18:26,285
a a couple few times quickly,

545
00:18:27,179 --> 00:18:29,899
and that seems to be what is required

546
00:18:29,899 --> 00:18:32,460
to physically stop a threat when threats need

547
00:18:32,460 --> 00:18:34,399
to be physically stopped. So

548
00:18:34,940 --> 00:18:36,859
that is not and and at distances of

549
00:18:36,859 --> 00:18:39,579
nine to 15 feet. Right? Around cars, from

550
00:18:39,579 --> 00:18:41,179
a from the corner of a room to

551
00:18:41,179 --> 00:18:43,194
a door, in a convenience store, from the

552
00:18:43,194 --> 00:18:45,274
doorway to the counter, from the counter to

553
00:18:45,274 --> 00:18:47,434
the last end of the aisle, you know,

554
00:18:47,434 --> 00:18:49,214
that those kinds of distances. So

555
00:18:49,515 --> 00:18:50,734
around a gas pump,

556
00:18:51,515 --> 00:18:52,015
when

557
00:18:52,875 --> 00:18:53,375
you're

558
00:18:54,009 --> 00:18:55,690
shooting at those distances at an eight inch

559
00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:58,569
circle or a 10 by eight square or

560
00:18:58,569 --> 00:18:59,069
something,

561
00:18:59,929 --> 00:19:02,169
it's just not that challenging. Right? It's not

562
00:19:02,169 --> 00:19:04,089
the kind of thing you need a a

563
00:19:04,089 --> 00:19:05,130
$2,000

564
00:19:05,130 --> 00:19:06,890
SIG p two ten for. You don't need

565
00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:09,549
a CZ shadow. You don't need a alien,

566
00:19:09,904 --> 00:19:11,984
you know, Lugo or whatever that one's called

567
00:19:11,984 --> 00:19:14,544
with the crazy awesome trigger from Czech Republic.

568
00:19:14,544 --> 00:19:15,904
Like, you don't need those. No. You don't

569
00:19:15,904 --> 00:19:16,964
need the the staccato.

570
00:19:17,505 --> 00:19:18,404
You don't need,

571
00:19:20,065 --> 00:19:20,565
anything

572
00:19:21,105 --> 00:19:24,065
other than a relatively decent trigger press and

573
00:19:24,065 --> 00:19:24,724
a good

574
00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:26,940
kinesthetic extension. You need to have the gun

575
00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:28,380
aligned, you know, out in front of your

576
00:19:28,380 --> 00:19:29,980
eyes. You're gonna be looking at the threat.

577
00:19:29,980 --> 00:19:31,820
Obviously, it's got your attention. If you have

578
00:19:31,820 --> 00:19:33,580
a good platform behind the gun and and

579
00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:36,299
just a relatively smooth trigger press, you're not

580
00:19:36,299 --> 00:19:37,900
gonna be able to pull that gun to

581
00:19:37,980 --> 00:19:40,140
so far that you're deviating off of that

582
00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:42,125
chest. Now, what if you have to take

583
00:19:42,125 --> 00:19:43,605
a headshot? What if you have to shoot

584
00:19:43,605 --> 00:19:44,585
at 50 yards?

585
00:19:44,884 --> 00:19:46,345
Yes. Those things could happen,

586
00:19:46,724 --> 00:19:48,804
and we see people doing that with snub

587
00:19:48,804 --> 00:19:50,884
nose revolvers, you know. Go go look at

588
00:19:50,884 --> 00:19:52,085
the Internet. I'm not just talking about Jerry

589
00:19:52,085 --> 00:19:53,605
Mitchell. Right? I'm talking about anybody that if

590
00:19:53,605 --> 00:19:55,044
they carry a snub nose revolver and they

591
00:19:55,044 --> 00:19:56,664
take one of the snub nose revolver

592
00:19:56,970 --> 00:19:58,890
classes that are offered by guys like Claude

593
00:19:58,890 --> 00:20:00,730
Werner and things. You know, you're you're gonna

594
00:20:00,730 --> 00:20:03,369
you're gonna develop that skill. Double action, single

595
00:20:03,369 --> 00:20:05,289
action, same thing. You're gonna learn to press

596
00:20:05,289 --> 00:20:08,349
through that long, heavy, double action first shot.

597
00:20:08,410 --> 00:20:10,329
So if we if we cut that in

598
00:20:10,329 --> 00:20:10,829
half,

599
00:20:11,174 --> 00:20:12,775
if we keep most of the distance of

600
00:20:12,775 --> 00:20:14,375
a double action trigger, but we cut the

601
00:20:14,375 --> 00:20:16,615
weight in half or or even more in

602
00:20:16,615 --> 00:20:18,375
some cases, and we go down to that

603
00:20:18,375 --> 00:20:19,595
five pound ish trigger,

604
00:20:19,975 --> 00:20:20,795
that's moving

605
00:20:22,215 --> 00:20:22,715
relatively

606
00:20:23,650 --> 00:20:25,670
far compared to a 1911,

607
00:20:26,289 --> 00:20:28,930
but not as far as a double action

608
00:20:28,930 --> 00:20:30,690
revolver, you end up, I think, in what

609
00:20:30,690 --> 00:20:33,650
is the sweet spot for defensive accuracy. You

610
00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:34,930
know? And and that's really what it comes

611
00:20:34,930 --> 00:20:36,450
down to for me is what is most

612
00:20:36,450 --> 00:20:37,670
likely to be required?

613
00:20:38,144 --> 00:20:40,384
What can be justified in terms of shooting

614
00:20:40,384 --> 00:20:42,384
to defend yourself or others? And you're not

615
00:20:42,384 --> 00:20:44,484
talking about headshots at a 100 yards.

616
00:20:45,424 --> 00:20:47,184
Yeah. So one of the things that you

617
00:20:47,184 --> 00:20:49,025
see a lot with the nineteen eleven on,

618
00:20:49,345 --> 00:20:51,424
YouTube is when people wanna do their old

619
00:20:51,424 --> 00:20:53,039
b roll, they're showing,

620
00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:56,079
how incredibly fast they can shoot with the

621
00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:56,899
nineteen eleven.

622
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,179
From a defensive point of view,

623
00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:04,079
is there any value or trade off in

624
00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:04,799
being able to

625
00:21:05,664 --> 00:21:08,464
let's just ballpark double the speed of your

626
00:21:08,464 --> 00:21:11,904
shooting based strictly on on the short distance

627
00:21:11,904 --> 00:21:13,345
of the trigger press and the and the

628
00:21:13,345 --> 00:21:15,744
relatively light trigger press. Well, I I didn't

629
00:21:15,825 --> 00:21:17,984
I think it's a flawed premise, honestly, Isaac,

630
00:21:17,984 --> 00:21:20,384
because in in my experience watching people shoot

631
00:21:20,384 --> 00:21:21,669
at all levels. Right?

632
00:21:22,690 --> 00:21:24,769
I don't know there there there aren't very

633
00:21:24,769 --> 00:21:26,849
many students. I mean, like, less than 15

634
00:21:26,929 --> 00:21:28,690
it's like 15% of the students that I

635
00:21:28,690 --> 00:21:31,109
have on the line that can't shoot

636
00:21:31,650 --> 00:21:34,130
reliably four to five shots per second into

637
00:21:34,130 --> 00:21:36,585
the high center chest with a modern striker

638
00:21:36,585 --> 00:21:39,945
fired gun. Right? If you so how much

639
00:21:39,945 --> 00:21:40,445
faster

640
00:21:41,224 --> 00:21:42,984
is that average person at the end of

641
00:21:42,984 --> 00:21:45,085
their first day of training going to be

642
00:21:45,384 --> 00:21:47,164
with a single action trigger?

643
00:21:47,705 --> 00:21:49,625
And maybe they're gonna get to six shots

644
00:21:49,625 --> 00:21:50,285
per second,

645
00:21:50,590 --> 00:21:52,430
but six shots per second is still pretty

646
00:21:52,430 --> 00:21:54,590
darn fast. Now now you're getting you get

647
00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:56,509
beyond that. Now you're getting into trick shooting.

648
00:21:56,509 --> 00:21:58,590
Right? You're getting into, like, Jerry Mitchell stuff.

649
00:21:58,590 --> 00:22:01,330
Right? You can find guys who can shoot

650
00:22:01,710 --> 00:22:03,789
six, seven shots per second out of 19

651
00:22:03,789 --> 00:22:05,869
elevens pretty regularly into the high center chest

652
00:22:05,869 --> 00:22:07,924
out of there 12 to 15 feet. But

653
00:22:07,924 --> 00:22:09,924
those guys are also gonna be able to

654
00:22:09,924 --> 00:22:12,884
shoot maybe one less shot per second with

655
00:22:12,884 --> 00:22:15,924
any normal modern striker fired gun. Right? So

656
00:22:16,085 --> 00:22:18,164
Yeah. Where do you lose? You ask about

657
00:22:18,164 --> 00:22:20,244
the balances. Right? The trade offs are the

658
00:22:20,244 --> 00:22:21,144
manual safety.

659
00:22:21,539 --> 00:22:23,380
So for for the for the people that

660
00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:26,200
I see that might go from four shots

661
00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:28,580
to approaching six shots per second after they

662
00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:29,320
reach extension,

663
00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:32,340
but they flub turning the safety offer on

664
00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:34,100
at the wrong time, and maybe they're getting

665
00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:36,019
zero shots per second because their safety is

666
00:22:36,019 --> 00:22:38,345
still on, that's a big problem. So we

667
00:22:38,345 --> 00:22:40,444
wanna take that completely out of the equation.

668
00:22:40,664 --> 00:22:42,265
You know? And, again, look at the numbers.

669
00:22:42,265 --> 00:22:43,644
Right? The numbers say,

670
00:22:44,184 --> 00:22:46,345
almost every time, good guy starts shooting at

671
00:22:46,345 --> 00:22:48,424
the bad guy, hits or not, bad guy

672
00:22:48,424 --> 00:22:48,924
retires.

673
00:22:49,429 --> 00:22:52,390
So so engaging a target across your bedroom,

674
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:55,109
around your car, in that retail environment, in

675
00:22:55,109 --> 00:22:56,730
that restaurant, in your workplace,

676
00:22:57,269 --> 00:22:58,869
being able to put four or five shots

677
00:22:58,869 --> 00:23:00,650
per second into the high center chest,

678
00:23:01,029 --> 00:23:03,029
which is something, like I said, one day

679
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:06,035
of training, proper training, really focusing on developing

680
00:23:06,035 --> 00:23:07,715
a good rhythm, balance of speed and precision.

681
00:23:07,715 --> 00:23:09,795
I think just about anybody can do with

682
00:23:09,795 --> 00:23:11,255
a modern striker fired gun.

683
00:23:11,634 --> 00:23:13,795
And then at the higher end, that doesn't

684
00:23:13,795 --> 00:23:16,349
mean you can't regularly hit target. I mean,

685
00:23:16,429 --> 00:23:18,109
you know, talk about Jaeger. Like, Jaeger was

686
00:23:18,109 --> 00:23:20,029
famous for his demos of using the big

687
00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:23,150
dot sights with standard Glock 19 regular trigger

688
00:23:23,150 --> 00:23:24,589
and being able to hit targets out at

689
00:23:24,589 --> 00:23:27,789
a 100 yards. Right? Carl, from tactical rifleman

690
00:23:27,789 --> 00:23:29,710
just posted a review using the p d

691
00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:31,255
10 And even says there, he goes, I

692
00:23:31,255 --> 00:23:32,775
don't think this is what Rob intended this

693
00:23:32,775 --> 00:23:34,535
gun for, but sometimes I like to have

694
00:23:34,535 --> 00:23:36,295
fun and, you know, do long distance pistol

695
00:23:36,295 --> 00:23:37,894
shooting and he's dinging steel out of the

696
00:23:37,894 --> 00:23:39,414
100 yards with it. You know, the p

697
00:23:39,414 --> 00:23:40,875
d 10 is incredibly accurate

698
00:23:41,414 --> 00:23:43,095
and does the trigger feel different than a

699
00:23:43,095 --> 00:23:46,269
standard Glock or MMP or certainly different from

700
00:23:46,269 --> 00:23:48,769
the three twenty? Yeah. But once you understand

701
00:23:48,829 --> 00:23:51,009
smooth trigger press until the gun goes bang,

702
00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:53,309
people are demonstrating all kinds of, you know,

703
00:23:53,309 --> 00:23:55,309
cutting cards in half and shooting type groups

704
00:23:55,309 --> 00:23:57,070
and all kinds of stuff with the p

705
00:23:57,070 --> 00:23:59,795
d 10 trigger, which is extensively, like, the

706
00:23:59,795 --> 00:24:00,295
opposite

707
00:24:00,674 --> 00:24:02,195
of what I think SIG was trying to

708
00:24:02,195 --> 00:24:04,035
do with the three twenty. And yet it's

709
00:24:04,035 --> 00:24:05,955
fully capable as a gun of being very,

710
00:24:05,955 --> 00:24:07,575
very accurate and certainly

711
00:24:08,035 --> 00:24:10,674
defensively accurate in any anybody's hands, especially if

712
00:24:10,674 --> 00:24:11,970
you have that one day of training.

713
00:24:12,289 --> 00:24:13,890
So the question about speed is really kind

714
00:24:13,890 --> 00:24:15,970
of a devil's advocate question because that is

715
00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:18,450
the common refrain from people who are shooting

716
00:24:18,450 --> 00:24:19,509
single action triggers,

717
00:24:20,289 --> 00:24:20,789
and

718
00:24:21,089 --> 00:24:23,890
watching it on YouTube and thinking, oh, I

719
00:24:23,890 --> 00:24:26,545
could do that. I could shoot that fast.

720
00:24:26,765 --> 00:24:28,625
I could shoot the bad guy that fast

721
00:24:29,244 --> 00:24:31,265
when that's not really reflected

722
00:24:31,724 --> 00:24:34,285
in reality. I think from my own observation,

723
00:24:34,285 --> 00:24:35,724
and I might be wrong about this, but

724
00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:38,125
my own observation is in self defense, people

725
00:24:38,125 --> 00:24:39,964
tend not to shoot faster than they can

726
00:24:39,964 --> 00:24:40,865
see and perceive,

727
00:24:41,619 --> 00:24:44,099
especially when they're intentional about the self defense

728
00:24:44,099 --> 00:24:46,500
shooting. They're not shooting, you know, point one

729
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:49,779
splits. They're shooting more closely point two, five

730
00:24:49,779 --> 00:24:50,279
splits

731
00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:52,359
in self defense shooting.

732
00:24:52,660 --> 00:24:53,480
And I think

733
00:24:54,095 --> 00:24:56,095
like, the conclusion I would draw from from

734
00:24:56,095 --> 00:24:58,174
that, if it's true, is that is that

735
00:24:58,174 --> 00:25:00,414
there is a there's a melding of of

736
00:25:00,414 --> 00:25:02,815
the physical skill with what is necessary and

737
00:25:02,815 --> 00:25:04,835
what is attainable in that moment,

738
00:25:05,375 --> 00:25:06,734
as opposed to what you can do on

739
00:25:06,734 --> 00:25:08,974
the range when you're choreographing and you're planning

740
00:25:08,974 --> 00:25:11,029
and all that stuff. I I think that's

741
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:13,509
for trained people, for well practiced and well

742
00:25:13,509 --> 00:25:15,509
trained people who are or kind of alert

743
00:25:15,509 --> 00:25:17,029
to to what's going on that aren't in

744
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:18,869
a panic. I think that's true. I think

745
00:25:18,869 --> 00:25:20,470
you see some people obviously who are just

746
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:22,394
pulling the trigger as fast as they can,

747
00:25:22,634 --> 00:25:24,075
physically as fast as they can. And that's

748
00:25:24,075 --> 00:25:25,515
why I think it's so important to get

749
00:25:25,515 --> 00:25:27,595
out on the range and do that. Right?

750
00:25:27,595 --> 00:25:29,275
That's why we do we spend more time

751
00:25:29,275 --> 00:25:31,115
doing that than we do practicing head shots

752
00:25:31,115 --> 00:25:33,355
at 21 feet for sure. Mhmm. Right? Let

753
00:25:33,355 --> 00:25:35,835
people get a car's width, car's distance or

754
00:25:35,835 --> 00:25:37,890
a bedroom distance from the target, drive the

755
00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:40,369
gun out and fire the fastest three, four,

756
00:25:40,369 --> 00:25:42,769
five, six shots they can so they understand

757
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:44,609
what they're capable of. And I think most

758
00:25:44,609 --> 00:25:46,130
people are surprised, and that's why we have

759
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:47,890
drills like the push your limits drill. Right?

760
00:25:47,890 --> 00:25:49,650
Like, we want people out there to push

761
00:25:49,650 --> 00:25:52,529
themselves to see how fast they actually can

762
00:25:52,529 --> 00:25:55,154
keep all those shots within a fist or

763
00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:57,174
under a wide open hand for sure,

764
00:25:57,555 --> 00:25:59,654
that nine, ten, twelve, fifteen feet,

765
00:26:00,035 --> 00:26:01,875
even when they're pushing as fast as they

766
00:26:01,875 --> 00:26:03,474
possibly can with their gun, which gets them

767
00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:05,154
in that at five shots per second range

768
00:26:05,154 --> 00:26:06,055
for most people.

769
00:26:07,589 --> 00:26:09,269
I think people are capable more than they

770
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:11,029
think they are, but they have to practice

771
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:13,029
it. Because otherwise, if they're if they're always,

772
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:15,589
you know, standing sideways, push pull, right, if

773
00:26:15,589 --> 00:26:17,349
they're always out there with one eye closed

774
00:26:17,349 --> 00:26:19,109
just trying to shoot that one whole group

775
00:26:19,109 --> 00:26:20,410
at 25 yards,

776
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:23,174
then that's all they're used to. And I

777
00:26:23,174 --> 00:26:25,095
think that's the there's one of those tropes

778
00:26:25,095 --> 00:26:26,934
of training. Right? Is that you can, you

779
00:26:26,934 --> 00:26:28,855
know, shoot at three in circles if you

780
00:26:28,855 --> 00:26:29,894
expect to be able to hit an eight

781
00:26:29,894 --> 00:26:32,054
in circle because your skills are gonna degrade.

782
00:26:32,054 --> 00:26:33,974
Well, I don't think what we saw when

783
00:26:33,974 --> 00:26:36,134
we first started seeing dash camera videos, like

784
00:26:36,134 --> 00:26:37,849
a lot of them, and and surveillance camera

785
00:26:37,849 --> 00:26:39,609
videos of shooting in the late nineties and

786
00:26:39,609 --> 00:26:40,589
through the February,

787
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:43,929
we weren't seeing skills degrade. We were seeing

788
00:26:43,929 --> 00:26:46,009
the skills that were being practiced on the

789
00:26:46,009 --> 00:26:48,730
range not being applied. We weren't seeing people

790
00:26:48,730 --> 00:26:51,164
standing sideways double tapping. We were seeing people

791
00:26:51,244 --> 00:26:52,924
lower their center of gravity, drive the gun

792
00:26:52,924 --> 00:26:54,365
at the full extension, and pull the trigger

793
00:26:54,365 --> 00:26:57,184
super fast, probably without regard for their sights.

794
00:26:57,325 --> 00:26:59,325
And so it was a completely different thing.

795
00:26:59,325 --> 00:27:01,965
It was completely improvised. And what, obviously, what

796
00:27:01,965 --> 00:27:03,325
we try to do and what we're not

797
00:27:03,325 --> 00:27:04,445
the only ones. A lot of people try

798
00:27:04,445 --> 00:27:06,390
to do in their training now is refine

799
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:08,690
what the body does naturally and work well

800
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:11,170
with that squared off stance, full extension, lowered

801
00:27:11,170 --> 00:27:13,650
center of gravity, head inside the triangle, get

802
00:27:13,650 --> 00:27:15,170
behind the gun, get the gun to your

803
00:27:15,170 --> 00:27:16,690
line of sight, don't move your line of

804
00:27:16,690 --> 00:27:18,210
sight to the gun, you know, that kind

805
00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:20,684
of stuff. And, and it works. It just

806
00:27:20,684 --> 00:27:22,445
works really, really, really well as long as

807
00:27:22,445 --> 00:27:24,045
the gun fits a person's hand. And, again,

808
00:27:24,045 --> 00:27:27,105
they have a relatively smooth trigger press, which

809
00:27:27,164 --> 00:27:29,244
can be really super fast or can be

810
00:27:29,244 --> 00:27:31,244
super slow. And one of the things I

811
00:27:31,244 --> 00:27:33,005
think is important to talk about too is

812
00:27:33,005 --> 00:27:34,144
this idea of staging.

813
00:27:35,059 --> 00:27:36,259
Right? I think that's where a lot of

814
00:27:36,259 --> 00:27:38,099
people have gotten wrapped around the axle on

815
00:27:38,099 --> 00:27:39,240
these demos with,

816
00:27:40,099 --> 00:27:42,179
the three twenty can just go off with

817
00:27:42,179 --> 00:27:43,559
very little trigger pressure.

818
00:27:44,819 --> 00:27:46,339
I think there are really there are a

819
00:27:46,339 --> 00:27:48,440
lot of people out there who apparently think,

820
00:27:48,924 --> 00:27:51,585
like, staging the trigger isn't pulling the trigger

821
00:27:51,724 --> 00:27:53,484
somehow. Yeah. Yeah. And and what they don't

822
00:27:53,484 --> 00:27:54,845
understand is and, you know, I got one

823
00:27:54,845 --> 00:27:57,724
of the FCUs here. Like, when you quote

824
00:27:57,724 --> 00:28:00,445
unquote stage the trigger, right, this little flop

825
00:28:00,445 --> 00:28:03,430
flapper here is gonna move. Right? So that

826
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:05,690
little flapper that moves, that's disengaging

827
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:09,350
the striker block safety. So what you think

828
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:11,430
of as taking up the slack or staging

829
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:13,210
or something other than pulling a trigger,

830
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:15,984
it's pulling the trigger. Right? And that's why

831
00:28:15,984 --> 00:28:18,325
we talk about pulling all the way through,

832
00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:20,325
right, until the gun goes bang

833
00:28:20,625 --> 00:28:22,625
and learning to press a trigger properly. And

834
00:28:22,625 --> 00:28:24,304
and I think that's incredibly important too. Like,

835
00:28:24,304 --> 00:28:25,984
you talk about that headshot at 20 yards.

836
00:28:25,984 --> 00:28:27,585
If you're trying to make that shot, the

837
00:28:27,585 --> 00:28:30,224
person's probably not just standing still daring you

838
00:28:30,224 --> 00:28:31,799
to do it. They're not giving you a

839
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:33,640
free one. Right? Like, they may be moving.

840
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,720
They have somebody, you know, knife point. They're

841
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,200
they're moving backwards or they're arguing or they're

842
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,799
holding a gun on somebody and you're gonna

843
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:41,319
try to shoot their head while it's moving.

844
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,720
You've gotta be able to maintain sight picture

845
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,779
throughout a smooth trigger press. Not try to,

846
00:28:46,974 --> 00:28:49,375
you know, take up all the slack, which

847
00:28:49,375 --> 00:28:51,934
again is still pulling the trigger, hold your

848
00:28:51,934 --> 00:28:53,934
breath, make everything perfect, and then break the

849
00:28:53,934 --> 00:28:55,934
shot against a piece of steel or a

850
00:28:55,934 --> 00:28:58,174
piece of paper on the range. That works

851
00:28:58,174 --> 00:28:59,774
works really well. You can get good at

852
00:28:59,774 --> 00:29:02,169
it, but that's not the dynamic nature of

853
00:29:02,169 --> 00:29:03,309
of a defensive shooting.

854
00:29:04,329 --> 00:29:06,829
Yeah. It it's it's the I think

855
00:29:07,529 --> 00:29:09,210
I mean, you you kind of already said

856
00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:11,289
it, but, Isaac and I were having that

857
00:29:11,289 --> 00:29:13,690
conversation is, like, seeing that p three twenty

858
00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:14,190
without

859
00:29:14,575 --> 00:29:16,734
doing what people say it does without any

860
00:29:16,734 --> 00:29:18,355
real huge modifications.

861
00:29:19,215 --> 00:29:20,815
And I think Isaac asked me, like, yeah.

862
00:29:20,815 --> 00:29:21,955
But what are the modifications?

863
00:29:22,335 --> 00:29:24,494
And my reply was sticking a fucking screw

864
00:29:24,494 --> 00:29:25,154
in it.

865
00:29:27,295 --> 00:29:27,795
Yeah.

866
00:29:28,095 --> 00:29:28,595
Yeah.

867
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,860
If you stick a fucking screw,

868
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:35,000
in a gun to press the trigger back

869
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,600
a little bit and then you you fuck

870
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,500
with it, like,

871
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:38,200
that just

872
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,539
I mean, you made the guns.

873
00:29:41,284 --> 00:29:43,444
Let let's We have Let's okay. So this

874
00:29:43,444 --> 00:29:44,964
is this was a carry gun of mine.

875
00:29:44,964 --> 00:29:47,525
This it says 43 l because before the

876
00:29:47,525 --> 00:29:48,025
Glock,

877
00:29:48,884 --> 00:29:50,184
48 had the,

878
00:29:51,044 --> 00:29:53,684
shield magazines available, I would sometimes carry a

879
00:29:53,684 --> 00:29:56,309
48 slide on a 43, right, giving me

880
00:29:56,309 --> 00:29:59,190
a long slide 43. Because the difference between

881
00:29:59,190 --> 00:30:01,909
the 40 three's capacity, especially with an extended

882
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:04,149
mag and the standard 10 plus one of

883
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:06,329
the Glock 48 wasn't much. Right?

884
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:07,289
So,

885
00:30:07,829 --> 00:30:09,734
this gun's been retired for a while.

886
00:30:10,214 --> 00:30:12,535
It's it's clear. You'll see I have modified

887
00:30:12,535 --> 00:30:14,535
it. I I have opened up the back,

888
00:30:14,535 --> 00:30:16,934
and this is congruent with what the FBI

889
00:30:16,934 --> 00:30:18,855
test that was done on the Michigan State

890
00:30:18,855 --> 00:30:19,355
Police

891
00:30:21,015 --> 00:30:21,809
three twenty.

892
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:23,890
Opened the backup so that I can reach

893
00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:25,650
the internals. Because it's important to remember that

894
00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:27,590
when they had the gun go bang

895
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:30,630
theoretically without moving the trigger,

896
00:30:31,009 --> 00:30:33,269
at all manipulating the trigger, they were sticking

897
00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:35,434
a tool in the back and manipulating

898
00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:38,075
the internal parts of the trigger mechanism.

899
00:30:39,174 --> 00:30:40,694
And then and so and I've got a,

900
00:30:40,934 --> 00:30:42,875
here it is. I've got a little prime

901
00:30:43,414 --> 00:30:43,914
case.

902
00:30:44,534 --> 00:30:45,835
Right? Because why not?

903
00:30:46,534 --> 00:30:48,615
And, let's see if I can I crimp

904
00:30:48,615 --> 00:30:50,234
the front in there a little bit?

905
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:51,960
Get it in there.

906
00:30:56,419 --> 00:30:57,619
Look. This is the kind of thing you

907
00:30:57,619 --> 00:30:59,059
can do at the office at night because

908
00:30:59,059 --> 00:31:00,279
there's nobody else here.

909
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:03,640
Your cleaning lady's gonna freak out.

910
00:31:04,205 --> 00:31:05,884
Oh, no. They they they don't even clean

911
00:31:05,884 --> 00:31:06,545
my office.

912
00:31:07,005 --> 00:31:08,945
Alright. Can I get that in there? No.

913
00:31:12,285 --> 00:31:12,785
K.

914
00:31:13,805 --> 00:31:15,644
So I've got the that in there. Now

915
00:31:15,644 --> 00:31:17,345
the tab safety on here,

916
00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:20,789
when tab safeties first came out, right, I

917
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:23,450
and I think the majority of the community

918
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:24,950
when we first started seeing a lot of

919
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:26,710
tab safeties on the Glocks in the late

920
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:28,710
eighties and then through the through the nineties

921
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:30,965
and the February, I think most people were

922
00:31:30,965 --> 00:31:32,485
like me whereas they really thought of it

923
00:31:32,485 --> 00:31:33,465
as a snag

924
00:31:33,845 --> 00:31:35,765
safety. Right? So that if only the edge

925
00:31:35,765 --> 00:31:37,684
of the trigger gets hit by something, the

926
00:31:37,684 --> 00:31:40,644
trigger can't move. But the reality is, most

927
00:31:40,644 --> 00:31:41,144
manufacturers

928
00:31:41,525 --> 00:31:44,429
consider the tab safety being there for an

929
00:31:44,429 --> 00:31:44,929
inertial

930
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:45,730
block

931
00:31:46,109 --> 00:31:48,990
of if the gun drops, the weight of

932
00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:50,130
the trigger shoe

933
00:31:50,589 --> 00:31:53,329
might be enough to overcome as its momentum

934
00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:55,549
continuing to move back because of inertia might

935
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:56,849
be enough to

936
00:31:57,424 --> 00:32:00,065
overcome the the springs and the tension inside

937
00:32:00,065 --> 00:32:02,224
the gun and actually discharge the gun when

938
00:32:02,224 --> 00:32:04,804
it falls backwards. So not anything being jostled

939
00:32:04,944 --> 00:32:06,964
inside, not the striker bouncing,

940
00:32:07,345 --> 00:32:09,984
but the trigger actually being pressed by its

941
00:32:09,984 --> 00:32:12,509
own weight. So the tab safety will defeat

942
00:32:12,509 --> 00:32:14,509
that because the tab blocks it from moving

943
00:32:14,509 --> 00:32:16,669
back. And that's where SIG says they don't

944
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:19,250
need a tab safety on the three twenty.

945
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:20,450
And,

946
00:32:20,909 --> 00:32:22,609
that's where the hinged type,

947
00:32:23,069 --> 00:32:25,684
safety, the hinge inertial safety on the M

948
00:32:25,684 --> 00:32:28,085
and P still works. It still accomplishes a

949
00:32:28,085 --> 00:32:30,964
safety goal even though it doesn't also have

950
00:32:30,964 --> 00:32:32,724
what I think is an added benefit of

951
00:32:32,724 --> 00:32:35,285
the tab type inertial safety, which is the

952
00:32:35,285 --> 00:32:37,384
snag safety issue as well.

953
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:39,759
That makes sense? So Yeah. But you said

954
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:41,359
earlier, Greg, when we were talking, you said

955
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:42,720
that you you always knew of it as

956
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:43,859
an inertial safety.

957
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:46,639
Yeah. My my understanding of it was was

958
00:32:46,639 --> 00:32:49,039
a drop safety. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

959
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:50,994
Drop safety from inertia. So you have that

960
00:32:50,994 --> 00:32:53,075
graphic of the three safeties. We're talking about

961
00:32:53,075 --> 00:32:54,914
the Glock. People would say we're talking about,

962
00:32:55,154 --> 00:32:57,315
the the nomenclature. People would say, oh, well,

963
00:32:57,315 --> 00:32:59,554
Glock has three internal safeties. But I don't

964
00:32:59,554 --> 00:33:01,815
think people could really describe the functions

965
00:33:02,355 --> 00:33:04,054
of those three internal safeties.

966
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:06,619
Right? The three safeties on the Glock. And

967
00:33:06,619 --> 00:33:08,380
that's where I I would say, like, I

968
00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:09,119
care about

969
00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:10,559
an external

970
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,640
manually operated safety that requires an action

971
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:18,140
that wouldn't otherwise be necessary. Right? So you've

972
00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:18,880
got, like,

973
00:33:19,744 --> 00:33:21,764
the grip safety on a on an XD

974
00:33:21,984 --> 00:33:24,464
or a XDS. Right? I have to grip

975
00:33:24,464 --> 00:33:26,224
the gun anyway. So I'm not worried about

976
00:33:26,224 --> 00:33:28,784
that external safety that is manually operated. The

977
00:33:28,784 --> 00:33:31,024
tab safety, I'm not worried about that external

978
00:33:31,024 --> 00:33:32,784
safety that is manually operated because I have

979
00:33:32,784 --> 00:33:34,804
to engage and press the trigger anyway.

980
00:33:35,339 --> 00:33:36,619
Right? So if I have to do those

981
00:33:36,619 --> 00:33:38,799
things anyway, I'm talking about buttons or levers

982
00:33:38,859 --> 00:33:40,940
extra steps that have to be taken. So,

983
00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:42,539
yeah, I I think people should have drop

984
00:33:42,539 --> 00:33:44,460
safe guns. I think people should be secure

985
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:46,619
and comfortable in the knowledge that their guns

986
00:33:46,619 --> 00:33:48,460
are designed so that they won't go bang

987
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:49,839
unless the trigger is actuated.

988
00:33:50,474 --> 00:33:52,554
But I don't necessarily think everybody has to

989
00:33:52,554 --> 00:33:54,795
be an engineer and really understand what's going

990
00:33:54,795 --> 00:33:55,615
on in there.

991
00:33:56,234 --> 00:33:58,875
Now, I'm even trying to The conversation was

992
00:33:58,875 --> 00:33:59,375
was,

993
00:34:00,154 --> 00:34:02,554
this everybody gets so focused on, like, I

994
00:34:02,554 --> 00:34:04,380
need to choose the perfect gun, and like,

995
00:34:04,380 --> 00:34:06,220
no. You just need to understand how they

996
00:34:06,220 --> 00:34:07,440
operate a little bit.

997
00:34:08,166 --> 00:34:10,460
And If you understand how how they basically

998
00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:10,960
operate

999
00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:12,239
Yeah. Inside,

1000
00:34:12,619 --> 00:34:14,699
then I think I think to me, your

1001
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:16,704
use of the gun and your the way

1002
00:34:16,704 --> 00:34:18,625
you treat the gun as a tool becomes

1003
00:34:18,625 --> 00:34:20,625
much more educated. Correct. Right? And like you

1004
00:34:20,625 --> 00:34:22,704
don't start thinking about the idea that taking

1005
00:34:22,704 --> 00:34:25,505
up the slack is somehow different from pulling

1006
00:34:25,505 --> 00:34:26,164
the trigger.

1007
00:34:26,784 --> 00:34:29,105
Right? I've heard people even articulate the idea

1008
00:34:29,105 --> 00:34:30,490
that well, you wanna be able to take

1009
00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:32,250
up the slack and then make your decision

1010
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:33,630
to shoot. No. I do not.

1011
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:35,690
No. I think on the on the wall

1012
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:37,530
or on the break or I don't wanna

1013
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:39,050
beat no. It's not when I'm making a

1014
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:40,970
decision to shoot. I'm making a decision to

1015
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:43,150
shoot when my finger goes to the trigger.

1016
00:34:43,355 --> 00:34:44,875
Right? Like, I've made this issue. Now I'm

1017
00:34:44,875 --> 00:34:46,414
going now I'm gonna start pressing.

1018
00:34:46,714 --> 00:34:48,154
And, yeah, could I always change my mind?

1019
00:34:48,154 --> 00:34:49,755
Sure. Can I change my mind on nineteen

1020
00:34:49,755 --> 00:34:51,295
eleven? Not my time.

1021
00:34:51,594 --> 00:34:52,875
Can I change my mind on a on

1022
00:34:52,875 --> 00:34:53,855
a double action

1023
00:34:54,234 --> 00:34:55,994
single action like a p two two six

1024
00:34:55,994 --> 00:34:57,674
sig? Yeah. There's more time at especially if

1025
00:34:57,674 --> 00:34:59,699
it's a 25 yard headshot. I've got more

1026
00:34:59,699 --> 00:35:01,960
time as I slowly smoothly press that trigger.

1027
00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:03,460
You know, but I don't think we're we're

1028
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:06,659
counting on that as a responsible use issue.

1029
00:35:06,659 --> 00:35:08,659
You know, my responsible use is finger stays

1030
00:35:08,659 --> 00:35:10,900
up here until I've decided to shoot. Once

1031
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:12,579
I start pressing, I've made the decision to

1032
00:35:12,579 --> 00:35:14,914
shoot. Could I stop it? Sure. But that's

1033
00:35:14,914 --> 00:35:17,414
not part of my tactics. Right? Alright. So

1034
00:35:17,474 --> 00:35:19,155
this is a little different than the demo

1035
00:35:19,155 --> 00:35:21,074
you saw with the three twenty. We're gonna

1036
00:35:21,074 --> 00:35:23,315
talk about the height issue. We're gonna talk

1037
00:35:23,315 --> 00:35:26,355
about the striker fired gun on a hammer

1038
00:35:26,355 --> 00:35:28,594
fired gun frame issue, which I think is

1039
00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:29,894
really relevant and important.

1040
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:31,190
But first,

1041
00:35:31,889 --> 00:35:33,650
we're gonna talk about the trigger only move

1042
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:35,730
the millimeter kinda thing and what's happening when

1043
00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:37,969
that trigger moves. So I have to disable

1044
00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:39,570
the tab safety and I have to take

1045
00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:40,849
up some of the slack and then I'm

1046
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:43,170
gonna try to jam this this screw in

1047
00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:43,670
there

1048
00:35:43,994 --> 00:35:45,775
without setting the gun off, obviously.

1049
00:35:47,755 --> 00:35:49,214
And give it a couple twists.

1050
00:35:50,154 --> 00:35:52,154
Okay. I think that's I think that's pretty

1051
00:35:52,154 --> 00:35:53,755
well set. So you can see the tab

1052
00:35:53,755 --> 00:35:56,234
safety is disengaged, but there's still that that

1053
00:35:56,234 --> 00:35:57,994
that is far beyond what I think a

1054
00:35:57,994 --> 00:35:59,380
lot of people think of when they go

1055
00:35:59,380 --> 00:36:00,980
to the wall or take out the slack.

1056
00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:02,420
Right? That I don't I didn't get my

1057
00:36:02,420 --> 00:36:03,480
calipers out, but

1058
00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:06,280
yeah. I could say that Internet millimeter.

1059
00:36:06,739 --> 00:36:08,199
The other thing that's happened here

1060
00:36:08,659 --> 00:36:09,559
is that I have

1061
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:12,284
opened up the back plate, which is consistent

1062
00:36:12,284 --> 00:36:13,724
with those FBI tests,

1063
00:36:14,045 --> 00:36:16,525
of the Michigan State Police gun because then

1064
00:36:16,525 --> 00:36:18,364
they took a tool and stuck it in

1065
00:36:18,364 --> 00:36:19,585
there to

1066
00:36:20,125 --> 00:36:20,625
disconnect

1067
00:36:21,085 --> 00:36:23,804
the trigger mechanism, the back of the trigger

1068
00:36:23,804 --> 00:36:26,139
bar in this case with the Glock, with

1069
00:36:26,139 --> 00:36:27,659
the design in the SIG, it's a little

1070
00:36:27,659 --> 00:36:29,980
different. But to disconnect the internal parts that

1071
00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:32,079
are holding back what I call the toe

1072
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:34,300
of the striker. The striker is under spring

1073
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:34,800
pressure.

1074
00:36:35,659 --> 00:36:36,800
Moving this trigger

1075
00:36:37,099 --> 00:36:38,239
has just deactivated

1076
00:36:38,539 --> 00:36:39,679
the plunger safety.

1077
00:36:40,144 --> 00:36:42,784
Right? It has just pushed up. This isn't

1078
00:36:42,784 --> 00:36:44,704
air to the Glock. It is I got

1079
00:36:44,704 --> 00:36:45,204
one.

1080
00:36:45,905 --> 00:36:47,905
Oh, you got it. On that part of

1081
00:36:47,905 --> 00:36:48,405
the

1082
00:36:48,945 --> 00:36:51,585
gun, and by pushing up on that, because

1083
00:36:51,585 --> 00:36:54,000
the trigger bar has moved backwards even with

1084
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,599
that little bit of movement remember I showed

1085
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,920
you guys a little flapper on this one

1086
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,599
that disconnects it the way it works in

1087
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,159
the the sig fire control unit. So I

1088
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,159
that's the the that's what I think people

1089
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:06,159
need to understand is this is pulling the

1090
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:06,659
trigger.

1091
00:37:07,194 --> 00:37:09,355
Right? So now when I jam this in

1092
00:37:09,355 --> 00:37:10,974
here, if I get the right angle

1093
00:37:11,275 --> 00:37:14,734
and can disconnect the internals from that toe

1094
00:37:15,194 --> 00:37:15,694
of

1095
00:37:15,994 --> 00:37:16,714
the striker

1096
00:37:17,594 --> 00:37:19,194
bear with me. Doing it a little bit

1097
00:37:19,194 --> 00:37:19,694
backwards.

1098
00:37:22,019 --> 00:37:22,519
Nice.

1099
00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:23,800
Gun goes bang.

1100
00:37:24,579 --> 00:37:26,760
So now it's like, oh my gosh, Rob.

1101
00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:29,140
The gun's gone bang, and it's a Glock.

1102
00:37:29,140 --> 00:37:31,059
Does that mean Glocks aren't safe? No. It

1103
00:37:31,059 --> 00:37:33,059
means don't cut a giant asshole in the

1104
00:37:33,059 --> 00:37:34,039
back of your backplate.

1105
00:37:34,420 --> 00:37:36,500
Jam a tool in there after you stuck

1106
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:38,174
a screw in the trigger.

1107
00:37:38,474 --> 00:37:39,755
Right? So I think one of the things

1108
00:37:39,835 --> 00:37:41,355
This isn't a magic trick. You're like, oh,

1109
00:37:41,355 --> 00:37:42,875
the trigger is back now. Yeah. The trigger

1110
00:37:42,875 --> 00:37:44,635
is back now because once I stuck this

1111
00:37:44,635 --> 00:37:46,714
in there and removed it, that takes all

1112
00:37:46,714 --> 00:37:48,315
the spring tension off it and this is

1113
00:37:48,315 --> 00:37:50,234
where it ends up. Right? So now I've

1114
00:37:50,234 --> 00:37:50,974
got my,

1115
00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:54,000
great. It's it's jammed in there. But,

1116
00:37:55,339 --> 00:37:56,699
Can you show it? Because the Internet is

1117
00:37:56,699 --> 00:37:58,539
gonna say it's a lie. Try and show

1118
00:37:58,539 --> 00:37:59,359
it. Ah, the

1119
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:01,920
Internet. Rob Ping has had a n d.

1120
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:02,559
Oh, no.

1121
00:38:03,099 --> 00:38:03,599
They're

1122
00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:04,960
reckless

1123
00:38:05,434 --> 00:38:05,934
baskets.

1124
00:38:06,315 --> 00:38:07,934
So in the demonstrations

1125
00:38:08,235 --> 00:38:10,315
that we've seen online with people pressing the

1126
00:38:10,315 --> 00:38:12,394
trigger, they're making the point that the trigger

1127
00:38:12,394 --> 00:38:14,875
has barely moved. Right? Yeah. But will this

1128
00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:16,795
trigger barely move too? That's what I'm saying.

1129
00:38:16,795 --> 00:38:17,855
But that must mean

1130
00:38:18,315 --> 00:38:19,054
that that,

1131
00:38:20,289 --> 00:38:22,289
that must mean that the pulling of the

1132
00:38:22,289 --> 00:38:25,109
trigger moving that plunger is a very efficient

1133
00:38:25,489 --> 00:38:27,489
lever. Right? It barely has to move for

1134
00:38:27,489 --> 00:38:29,650
that plunger to move. Yeah. So let me

1135
00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:30,929
let me look at a p d 10

1136
00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:32,529
here. Like, so this we call this we

1137
00:38:32,529 --> 00:38:34,230
call it the bird's head internally.

1138
00:38:35,434 --> 00:38:37,514
Get something to point at it. That little

1139
00:38:37,514 --> 00:38:40,255
guy right there. Right? Mhmm. That thing

1140
00:38:40,554 --> 00:38:41,614
moves backwards

1141
00:38:42,715 --> 00:38:44,875
as we you can see it moves backwards

1142
00:38:44,875 --> 00:38:46,234
and it might even kinda come up a

1143
00:38:46,234 --> 00:38:47,835
little bit. Then you you got the angle.

1144
00:38:47,835 --> 00:38:48,954
Right? You'll see it come up a little

1145
00:38:48,954 --> 00:38:51,440
bit as it moves backward. What that's doing

1146
00:38:51,579 --> 00:38:54,699
is it's pressing upward on alright. Let me

1147
00:38:54,699 --> 00:38:55,199
take

1148
00:38:56,219 --> 00:38:56,880
this one.

1149
00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:58,400
K.

1150
00:38:59,019 --> 00:39:01,179
This one's clear. Show the Internet. Show you.

1151
00:39:01,179 --> 00:39:03,519
Convince myself. Okay. So now

1152
00:39:04,734 --> 00:39:07,135
what that's doing, when that bird's head moves

1153
00:39:07,135 --> 00:39:07,635
backwards,

1154
00:39:08,655 --> 00:39:10,275
it is pushing up

1155
00:39:10,815 --> 00:39:11,315
on

1156
00:39:13,534 --> 00:39:14,594
that plunger.

1157
00:39:15,054 --> 00:39:15,954
Right. Right?

1158
00:39:16,414 --> 00:39:18,655
The And that plunger's blocking the wide. That's

1159
00:39:18,655 --> 00:39:19,635
a pretty long,

1160
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,760
surface area. There's a lot of engagement there.

1161
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,599
Yeah. Now this is actually this is my

1162
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:25,420
carrier pen.

1163
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,280
What's that? What's that plunger doing for those

1164
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,199
that don't know? I'm gonna show I'm gonna

1165
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:31,880
show you here. So Okay. Got it. Let

1166
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,640
me see how I can best demonstrate this.

1167
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,005
I think right now, if I pull down

1168
00:39:36,144 --> 00:39:38,224
my little dental pick here, you see I

1169
00:39:38,224 --> 00:39:40,545
I the that's that toe I was talking

1170
00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:43,105
about of the striker. Right? Mhmm. So it

1171
00:39:43,105 --> 00:39:44,005
goes backwards

1172
00:39:44,464 --> 00:39:44,964
Yeah.

1173
00:39:45,664 --> 00:39:48,144
Against that spring, and then it gets sent

1174
00:39:48,144 --> 00:39:50,320
forward. Now right now, if you can see

1175
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,840
where it is, it can only go if

1176
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,119
I pull down on it, it can only

1177
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,840
go so far forward. It can't, like, reach

1178
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,219
all the way down to the,

1179
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,079
that part of that channel in the slide.

1180
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:01,280
It can't get to the bottom of it.

1181
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:01,780
Right?

1182
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,474
If I need an extra hand here,

1183
00:40:05,255 --> 00:40:06,954
if I push in

1184
00:40:07,414 --> 00:40:08,454
on that plunger

1185
00:40:12,694 --> 00:40:14,775
now I'm pushing in on that plunger, and

1186
00:40:14,775 --> 00:40:15,275
now

1187
00:40:16,380 --> 00:40:18,299
see how far down it can go? Mhmm.

1188
00:40:18,299 --> 00:40:20,380
So that extra little bit of space, it's

1189
00:40:20,380 --> 00:40:21,980
not a lot, but that extra little bit

1190
00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:24,639
of space is the difference between the striker

1191
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:27,280
poking through the breach face.

1192
00:40:29,785 --> 00:40:31,085
Right. So that little slot,

1193
00:40:31,864 --> 00:40:33,785
I think you can see it there. Yep.

1194
00:40:33,785 --> 00:40:35,625
Yep. See Yeah. You can see it's sitting

1195
00:40:35,625 --> 00:40:37,224
pretty darn close to it. Right? If you

1196
00:40:37,224 --> 00:40:39,885
look in there, there. You can see that

1197
00:40:40,025 --> 00:40:40,525
striker

1198
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:43,789
point in there. Right? Well, it can't poke

1199
00:40:43,789 --> 00:40:44,849
through that wall

1200
00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:47,010
unless I move

1201
00:40:47,469 --> 00:40:49,469
this out of the way. Maybe I can

1202
00:40:49,469 --> 00:40:51,309
do it for the camera. Move this out

1203
00:40:51,309 --> 00:40:52,050
of the way,

1204
00:40:53,424 --> 00:40:55,664
push in on the plunger, and then there

1205
00:40:55,664 --> 00:40:56,565
you see it protruding?

1206
00:40:57,344 --> 00:40:59,184
Yep. There we go. Yep. Yeah. So now

1207
00:40:59,184 --> 00:41:00,784
I'm pushing in on the plunger and pushing

1208
00:41:00,784 --> 00:41:02,944
down on that toe against the spring pressure.

1209
00:41:02,944 --> 00:41:04,085
And that's what's allowing

1210
00:41:04,545 --> 00:41:06,005
that to come through and pierce

1211
00:41:06,389 --> 00:41:07,210
or pop,

1212
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:08,789
put enough pressure on the back of that

1213
00:41:08,789 --> 00:41:10,869
primer. It says an unfired one, and here's

1214
00:41:10,869 --> 00:41:12,889
the fired one we just used. Right?

1215
00:41:13,269 --> 00:41:15,670
So With the slide didn't go bad. This

1216
00:41:15,989 --> 00:41:17,190
I was gonna say, like, so this is

1217
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:19,109
my actual carry gun. Right? This is the

1218
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:20,250
original design

1219
00:41:20,755 --> 00:41:23,234
on that plunger somewhere. Here it is. I

1220
00:41:23,234 --> 00:41:24,215
also have,

1221
00:41:24,594 --> 00:41:27,315
we've we've improved that part just to get

1222
00:41:27,315 --> 00:41:28,614
a little bit more smoothness.

1223
00:41:29,474 --> 00:41:31,155
And if you can see let me,

1224
00:41:32,994 --> 00:41:34,559
get my fingers out of the way.

1225
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:36,500
Show you this one

1226
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,079
and oh, if I can do this left

1227
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:40,579
handed,

1228
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:42,980
this one.

1229
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,619
If you look at these side by side,

1230
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:47,699
you can see

1231
00:41:48,804 --> 00:41:50,244
that this one on the right here is

1232
00:41:50,244 --> 00:41:52,324
much more rounded. Mhmm. And that just give

1233
00:41:52,324 --> 00:41:54,164
us a little bit smoother trigger press, but

1234
00:41:54,164 --> 00:41:56,664
there's still a huge amount of engagement there

1235
00:41:56,724 --> 00:41:58,324
on the surface for that bird's head. But

1236
00:41:58,324 --> 00:42:00,565
the transition from being off the bird's head

1237
00:42:00,565 --> 00:42:02,005
to being on the bird's head is made

1238
00:42:02,005 --> 00:42:04,460
a little smoother by that domed nature. So

1239
00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:06,239
for like two years now, we've been shipping

1240
00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:08,239
the guns with this domed plunger.

1241
00:42:08,539 --> 00:42:10,059
And one of the things we've done internally

1242
00:42:10,059 --> 00:42:12,219
as we've improved certain parts and we've we've

1243
00:42:12,219 --> 00:42:14,460
smoothed out certain areas of friction, we changed

1244
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:16,780
some coatings. We also sent the gun for

1245
00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:18,639
a whole another series of drop testing.

1246
00:42:19,164 --> 00:42:20,764
And of course, we've done all the weird

1247
00:42:20,764 --> 00:42:22,545
45 degree angles from the

1248
00:42:22,844 --> 00:42:24,385
SIG drop test, we call it,

1249
00:42:25,404 --> 00:42:26,924
because we wanna be sure. We we don't

1250
00:42:26,924 --> 00:42:28,444
wanna end up in court. Somebody says the

1251
00:42:28,444 --> 00:42:29,964
gun went off when we dropped it, and

1252
00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:31,724
we haven't test the latest version of the

1253
00:42:31,724 --> 00:42:33,900
part. So even a small change like that.

1254
00:42:34,059 --> 00:42:36,059
If you look at, I held up that

1255
00:42:36,059 --> 00:42:39,279
Glock earlier. Right? The Glock, this is a

1256
00:42:39,659 --> 00:42:40,159
19

1257
00:42:40,619 --> 00:42:41,119
plunger,

1258
00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:43,179
and you can see where it's like fully

1259
00:42:43,179 --> 00:42:44,460
round. It's got a little bit of a

1260
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:46,799
chamfered edge to make that transition smoother.

1261
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:49,760
If we look at, let's clear this.

1262
00:42:50,324 --> 00:42:51,925
Alright. If we look at the inside of

1263
00:42:51,925 --> 00:42:54,085
the 48, the way the 40 eight's made,

1264
00:42:54,085 --> 00:42:55,525
it's got the same kind of a bird's

1265
00:42:55,525 --> 00:42:56,025
head

1266
00:42:56,324 --> 00:42:59,065
concept there, pokey part on the trigger bar,

1267
00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:02,264
but this has a much steeper walled ramp

1268
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,599
the way they designed the internals here. So

1269
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:05,900
it's a much steeper

1270
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,800
ramp up to push that plunger down in,

1271
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,960
right, in this area. So there's there's less

1272
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,039
surface area front to back and a much

1273
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,199
steeper ramp as you come up onto it

1274
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:18,444
with that steeper ramped bird's head. And this

1275
00:43:18,444 --> 00:43:20,224
is the gun you just did it on?

1276
00:43:20,444 --> 00:43:21,324
This is the guy I just did it

1277
00:43:21,324 --> 00:43:22,844
on. But that's the factory one. Now, the

1278
00:43:22,844 --> 00:43:24,364
other thing is you think about something like,

1279
00:43:24,605 --> 00:43:26,525
like the skimmer triggers or some of the

1280
00:43:26,525 --> 00:43:28,065
other triggers that are out there,

1281
00:43:29,164 --> 00:43:31,025
there there are ways to manipulate

1282
00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:34,170
how much movement you need of the trigger

1283
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:37,190
to disengage that drop safety. And in fact,

1284
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:39,670
I think there are some aftermarket triggers out

1285
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:40,650
there that completely

1286
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:43,510
take that block safety out of the equation,

1287
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:44,410
so it's preloaded.

1288
00:43:44,985 --> 00:43:46,585
And I I think those are obviously, you

1289
00:43:46,585 --> 00:43:48,445
know, meant only for specific,

1290
00:43:49,305 --> 00:43:51,945
competition type applications, things like that. But if

1291
00:43:51,945 --> 00:43:53,865
you understand the point on that, right? Your

1292
00:43:53,865 --> 00:43:55,805
gun, then you have to understand

1293
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,599
that you can change these things, you can

1294
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,079
modify these things, and that hopefully, the company

1295
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,639
that's engineered the gun has put everything in

1296
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,519
an appropriate balance for the intended purpose. If

1297
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,440
it's a target shooting gun, it's gonna be

1298
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,525
more sensitive and more prone. It's kind of

1299
00:44:10,525 --> 00:44:12,625
a smaller window, let's say, for negligence

1300
00:44:13,085 --> 00:44:15,164
than, a duty gun should. And I think

1301
00:44:15,164 --> 00:44:16,844
this again comes back to part of the

1302
00:44:16,844 --> 00:44:17,344
mistake,

1303
00:44:18,045 --> 00:44:19,804
of what the three twenty is. So now

1304
00:44:19,804 --> 00:44:21,744
let's talk about the height because because obviously,

1305
00:44:22,125 --> 00:44:23,744
I combined two two

1306
00:44:24,609 --> 00:44:26,869
failure demos there. I showed you the FBI

1307
00:44:26,929 --> 00:44:28,769
sticking the thing in the back and the

1308
00:44:28,769 --> 00:44:29,909
Wyoming guy

1309
00:44:30,449 --> 00:44:32,690
barely moving the trigger thing. Right? Well, if

1310
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:35,010
I stick the three twenty fire control unit

1311
00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:35,670
in here,

1312
00:44:37,204 --> 00:44:38,724
jam it down into this grip. I this

1313
00:44:38,724 --> 00:44:40,085
is a Wilson grip. I guess I should

1314
00:44:40,085 --> 00:44:41,385
have put it in a regular one.

1315
00:44:41,684 --> 00:44:42,164
But,

1316
00:44:43,204 --> 00:44:45,445
and it might matter. Some people have noted

1317
00:44:45,445 --> 00:44:47,065
that like the x five legions

1318
00:44:47,364 --> 00:44:49,045
have not had any of these type. The

1319
00:44:49,045 --> 00:44:50,965
x five carries and that legion, some of

1320
00:44:50,965 --> 00:44:53,130
the other guns out there, particularly with the

1321
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:56,089
metal frames or maybe with better polymer, like

1322
00:44:56,089 --> 00:44:58,329
maybe Wilson's using better polymer than,

1323
00:44:58,809 --> 00:45:01,210
SIG is using, that that may be a

1324
00:45:01,210 --> 00:45:04,089
contributing factor. Is that as people are taking

1325
00:45:04,089 --> 00:45:06,010
this I I know I have a regular

1326
00:45:06,010 --> 00:45:06,510
SIG

1327
00:45:07,284 --> 00:45:09,364
hand up. There it is. As people are

1328
00:45:09,364 --> 00:45:11,204
taking this little metal tab in and out

1329
00:45:11,204 --> 00:45:13,204
of their guns for whatever reasons, maybe they

1330
00:45:13,204 --> 00:45:15,704
have other grip modules they like to use,

1331
00:45:16,164 --> 00:45:17,224
this is wearing

1332
00:45:17,844 --> 00:45:18,344
out

1333
00:45:18,724 --> 00:45:21,559
this back area of the grip module, right,

1334
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:23,079
as you stick that in there, and that's

1335
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,480
affecting the tolerance. So that's gonna affect the

1336
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,039
in the connection between what's going on with

1337
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:29,900
this part of the internals of the gun

1338
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:32,860
and what's going on inside of the slide

1339
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:35,099
with with both the the

1340
00:45:35,424 --> 00:45:37,264
plunger safety or in this case, they have

1341
00:45:37,264 --> 00:45:38,804
a different kind of setup. Their

1342
00:45:39,264 --> 00:45:41,664
their striker block safety there, that little lever

1343
00:45:41,664 --> 00:45:44,404
that's moving, and the toe of their striker.

1344
00:45:44,625 --> 00:45:46,545
So the interaction between what's going on in

1345
00:45:46,545 --> 00:45:48,224
the top part of the gun and the

1346
00:45:48,224 --> 00:45:50,059
bottom part of the gun may very well

1347
00:45:50,059 --> 00:45:53,119
be affected over time. That relationship can change

1348
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,920
based on wear and tear in your plastic

1349
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:58,940
grip module as you insert and remove and

1350
00:45:58,940 --> 00:46:01,659
and jiggle around your fire control unit. And

1351
00:46:01,659 --> 00:46:03,179
that that's something that is yet to be

1352
00:46:03,179 --> 00:46:05,144
determined as well that could be causing a

1353
00:46:05,144 --> 00:46:06,045
tolerance issue.

1354
00:46:07,144 --> 00:46:09,305
Ultimately, we have to go back to what

1355
00:46:09,305 --> 00:46:11,885
this is. Right? And and from this angle,

1356
00:46:11,945 --> 00:46:14,045
right, this could be a p two fifty

1357
00:46:14,585 --> 00:46:15,644
because the grip

1358
00:46:16,184 --> 00:46:18,664
module is specifically a p two fifty. You

1359
00:46:18,664 --> 00:46:20,789
guys might remember when when I still had

1360
00:46:20,789 --> 00:46:23,050
a place in Denver and Denver outlawed

1361
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:25,349
private gun making. So I couldn't do any

1362
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:27,590
more of my three d printing projects in

1363
00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:28,730
my place in Denver.

1364
00:46:29,269 --> 00:46:30,010
I printed

1365
00:46:30,469 --> 00:46:32,890
a p two fifty grip module,

1366
00:46:34,195 --> 00:46:35,875
and it looks like you're printing the frame.

1367
00:46:35,875 --> 00:46:37,474
If it were the Glock or something else,

1368
00:46:37,474 --> 00:46:39,554
it looks like you're printing an, an a

1369
00:46:39,554 --> 00:46:42,114
non serialized firearm. Right? An actual fire an

1370
00:46:42,114 --> 00:46:44,675
illegal firearm in Denver. But I printed out

1371
00:46:44,675 --> 00:46:46,914
that p two fifty almost like as a

1372
00:46:46,914 --> 00:46:47,610
as a,

1373
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:49,789
oh, look at this.

1374
00:46:50,570 --> 00:46:53,070
I could get arrested because people don't understand

1375
00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:56,110
in Denver, maybe that the police officers, the

1376
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:58,410
the city attorney, whoever that maybe the state

1377
00:46:58,410 --> 00:47:00,750
attorney general's office, they don't know the difference

1378
00:47:01,050 --> 00:47:03,175
in the gun laws. And that this this

1379
00:47:03,175 --> 00:47:04,795
grip module is not a firearm

1380
00:47:05,094 --> 00:47:07,175
with this type of design. Well, the p

1381
00:47:07,175 --> 00:47:09,594
two fifty grip modules will accept

1382
00:47:10,054 --> 00:47:11,675
the three twenty FCU.

1383
00:47:12,135 --> 00:47:14,635
And what SIG did was they just repurposed

1384
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:18,119
a fire a hammer fired gun into a

1385
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:20,860
striker fired gun. In a hammer fired gun,

1386
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,280
everything that matters is happening down here in

1387
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:24,940
the frame.

1388
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,320
And with a hammer fired gun, because of

1389
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,079
the the nature of the pivot of the

1390
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:29,579
hammer,

1391
00:47:29,905 --> 00:47:31,925
in order to generate enough force,

1392
00:47:32,465 --> 00:47:35,505
you generally need the bore axis to be

1393
00:47:35,505 --> 00:47:36,005
higher

1394
00:47:36,465 --> 00:47:39,105
because you need a a greater distance between

1395
00:47:39,105 --> 00:47:41,425
what's happening with the trigger and what's happening

1396
00:47:41,425 --> 00:47:43,505
with the at the primer when that firing

1397
00:47:43,505 --> 00:47:45,525
pin or striker is hit by the hammer.

1398
00:47:45,585 --> 00:47:47,639
So So that pivot requires a certain amount

1399
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:49,800
of height in most guns, and it it's

1400
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,320
something that's I think, again, if you know

1401
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,159
how guns work, you understand why you get

1402
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:54,780
a lower bore axis potential

1403
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:57,000
with a striker fired gun. But in this

1404
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,019
case, Sig left a very,

1405
00:47:59,605 --> 00:48:00,985
in my opinion, a ridiculously

1406
00:48:01,285 --> 00:48:02,744
high bore axis

1407
00:48:03,765 --> 00:48:04,744
with this gun.

1408
00:48:06,325 --> 00:48:08,265
Can I get this all to go together?

1409
00:48:08,885 --> 00:48:10,425
Probably not in this configuration

1410
00:48:11,285 --> 00:48:11,785
because

1411
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,380
I don't have this seated completely well.

1412
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,159
Once again More hammer. Once again, more hammering.

1413
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:21,300
Right? The,

1414
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,599
now I think I can do it. More

1415
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,440
cowbell. So I I this is what I

1416
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,885
think is a ridiculously high borax. Right? So

1417
00:48:27,885 --> 00:48:29,405
over the the part of the gun that

1418
00:48:29,405 --> 00:48:31,324
interacts the top of my hand, and where

1419
00:48:31,324 --> 00:48:33,244
the bullet comes out. Right? I just think

1420
00:48:33,244 --> 00:48:35,724
is ridiculously high on this gun, but it's

1421
00:48:35,724 --> 00:48:36,224
necessarily

1422
00:48:36,684 --> 00:48:40,045
high because we're working from an original hammer

1423
00:48:40,045 --> 00:48:41,804
fired design. So in order to keep the

1424
00:48:41,804 --> 00:48:44,039
same proportions, and and keep the kind of

1425
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:46,519
signature classic sig look, you end up with

1426
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,700
with that kind of a situation. If I

1427
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,660
find,

1428
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,719
let's throw this on there. Now if you

1429
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,320
look at look at look at the bore

1430
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,480
axis here with a striker fired gun that

1431
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,619
takes full advantage

1432
00:48:56,964 --> 00:48:58,025
with no substructures,

1433
00:48:58,324 --> 00:49:02,005
no no FCU chassis, no ABS plastic insert

1434
00:49:02,005 --> 00:49:04,324
for the ejector like the glocks use. This

1435
00:49:04,324 --> 00:49:05,464
is using the frame

1436
00:49:05,764 --> 00:49:07,764
to hold all the parts like a classic

1437
00:49:07,764 --> 00:49:10,405
metal gun would, that lets us be incredibly

1438
00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:12,664
thin and incredibly low with the bore axis

1439
00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:15,179
as opposed to, you know, incredibly high if

1440
00:49:15,179 --> 00:49:15,679
I

1441
00:49:16,059 --> 00:49:17,840
do it kinda that way.

1442
00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:19,579
And and I talk about this a,

1443
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:21,920
quieter it's kind of, like,

1444
00:49:22,219 --> 00:49:23,360
loud. Yeah. It's ridiculous.

1445
00:49:23,739 --> 00:49:25,785
Yeah. I talk about this a lot When

1446
00:49:25,785 --> 00:49:27,025
a lot with a lot of people who

1447
00:49:27,025 --> 00:49:28,945
talk about smooth trigger presses, like, you should

1448
00:49:28,945 --> 00:49:31,344
probably look at the moment of inertia way

1449
00:49:31,344 --> 00:49:33,184
before you look at at the at a

1450
00:49:33,184 --> 00:49:35,265
smooth trigger press if you're worried about that

1451
00:49:35,265 --> 00:49:36,085
type of stuff.

1452
00:49:36,704 --> 00:49:38,864
And this is what we call bar axis

1453
00:49:38,864 --> 00:49:40,789
in the gun industry, but in science, they

1454
00:49:40,789 --> 00:49:42,250
call it the moment of inertia. And and

1455
00:49:43,429 --> 00:49:44,969
the energy is higher

1456
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:48,630
proportional to the the point of pivot. So

1457
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:50,630
the higher it is, the more angular momentum

1458
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:51,769
you're going to have.

1459
00:49:52,635 --> 00:49:55,114
And and this is what people miss when

1460
00:49:55,114 --> 00:49:57,434
choosing a gun for self defense is small

1461
00:49:57,434 --> 00:49:58,414
shit like this

1462
00:49:58,875 --> 00:50:00,875
that can make you a better better shooter

1463
00:50:00,875 --> 00:50:03,034
or more efficient shooter is what we're looking

1464
00:50:03,034 --> 00:50:05,639
for for self defense. Right. Once again, understanding

1465
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:07,559
what's actually happening with the physics and the

1466
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:09,960
engineering. And that's why we stress for instructors

1467
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,800
that they understand what's happening with the guns

1468
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,480
too so they can explain to their students,

1469
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,239
you know, why they're making good or bad

1470
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:15,739
choices.

1471
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:17,914
Well, in this particular case, we're not even

1472
00:50:17,914 --> 00:50:20,074
worried about that issue of Yeah. Of recoil

1473
00:50:20,074 --> 00:50:22,155
management or anything else. What we're worried about

1474
00:50:22,155 --> 00:50:23,934
here is the play

1475
00:50:24,554 --> 00:50:26,094
and the tolerance issue

1476
00:50:26,474 --> 00:50:29,195
that a wiggle gives you up here. If

1477
00:50:29,195 --> 00:50:32,199
we have a tolerance issue between the grip

1478
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:35,239
module and more importantly the actual chassis and

1479
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:36,699
the the the slide,

1480
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,800
as that moves any degree, if it moves,

1481
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,940
you know, half a degree.

1482
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,059
Well, think about it. If if I'm

1483
00:50:44,574 --> 00:50:46,835
here and I'm engaged with

1484
00:50:47,215 --> 00:50:48,894
I don't know. Let's see if I can

1485
00:50:48,894 --> 00:50:51,315
get a different color. So I need this

1486
00:50:51,454 --> 00:50:52,195
to engage

1487
00:50:52,655 --> 00:50:55,375
with that part. Right? So let's go with

1488
00:50:55,375 --> 00:50:56,815
this way now. So if I got that

1489
00:50:56,815 --> 00:50:58,800
engaged with this part, if I move this

1490
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,140
half a degree, I'm not off

1491
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:03,519
of the surface. I still have some engagement.

1492
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:04,880
But if I move it a full degree,

1493
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,960
well, now I'm off. Now my striker slides

1494
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,119
off. Right? That's the concern. That's what that

1495
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,360
wiggling is doing. So that screw in the

1496
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,579
trigger is deactivating

1497
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,635
the striker block, and then the wiggling is

1498
00:51:15,635 --> 00:51:17,635
taking the engagement away. And there's a whole

1499
00:51:17,635 --> 00:51:19,954
bunch of of reasons why this engagement might

1500
00:51:19,954 --> 00:51:21,875
not be as perfect as Sig wants it.

1501
00:51:21,875 --> 00:51:23,175
One of them is chipping

1502
00:51:23,554 --> 00:51:25,635
mimed parts. Right? And we've seen some of

1503
00:51:25,635 --> 00:51:28,034
those close-up photos in the FBI examination where

1504
00:51:28,034 --> 00:51:31,210
they've shown where the entire bearing surface area

1505
00:51:31,210 --> 00:51:33,869
that's intended to be engaged isn't actually engaged.

1506
00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:36,409
Imagine I'd spin this around. Now, I've just

1507
00:51:36,409 --> 00:51:39,049
got that that little tip because this is

1508
00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:41,769
not an even flat surface. That rounded tip

1509
00:51:41,769 --> 00:51:44,144
is all I've got engaging with this. And

1510
00:51:44,144 --> 00:51:46,144
if this is rounded instead of flat or

1511
00:51:46,144 --> 00:51:48,704
chipped, now I've got maybe very little bearing

1512
00:51:48,704 --> 00:51:50,164
surface holding this all together.

1513
00:51:50,465 --> 00:51:52,304
And then I start wiggling the top of

1514
00:51:52,304 --> 00:51:53,925
the slide, and maybe

1515
00:51:54,465 --> 00:51:56,545
if I wiggle from up here, half a

1516
00:51:56,545 --> 00:51:57,605
degree is enough.

1517
00:51:58,139 --> 00:52:00,380
If I wiggle from down here, half a

1518
00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:02,859
degree wouldn't be enough. And that's the bore

1519
00:52:02,859 --> 00:52:05,819
axis issue. So the the longer these these

1520
00:52:05,819 --> 00:52:08,299
levers are, the longer that these parts have

1521
00:52:08,299 --> 00:52:10,079
to be to get them engaged because

1522
00:52:10,715 --> 00:52:12,954
the the bore axis is much higher in

1523
00:52:12,954 --> 00:52:14,974
this gun. Because that has to be longer,

1524
00:52:15,114 --> 00:52:17,114
that means it is going to be less

1525
00:52:17,114 --> 00:52:17,614
tolerant.

1526
00:52:17,994 --> 00:52:20,235
All other things being equal, it's gonna be

1527
00:52:20,235 --> 00:52:23,195
less tolerant of any given wiggle. So one

1528
00:52:23,195 --> 00:52:24,269
degree at

1529
00:52:24,989 --> 00:52:27,469
three millimeters only might, you know, move move

1530
00:52:27,469 --> 00:52:29,789
to the right or left enough to stay

1531
00:52:29,789 --> 00:52:32,190
engaged. But if you've got one degree at

1532
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:34,289
a full centimeter, you know, 10 millimeters,

1533
00:52:34,590 --> 00:52:36,269
that might be enough to move it off

1534
00:52:36,269 --> 00:52:38,269
of engagement. And I think that's what you're

1535
00:52:38,269 --> 00:52:40,130
seeing with that wiggling motion.

1536
00:52:40,485 --> 00:52:41,144
But, again,

1537
00:52:41,445 --> 00:52:43,305
I think it's really important to keep restating

1538
00:52:43,925 --> 00:52:44,425
after

1539
00:52:44,885 --> 00:52:47,605
the primary striker block internal safety has been

1540
00:52:47,605 --> 00:52:50,325
deactivated by Not only that too, but wouldn't

1541
00:52:50,325 --> 00:52:53,065
pulling the trigger even a little bit reduce

1542
00:52:53,429 --> 00:52:54,170
that friction

1543
00:52:54,550 --> 00:52:55,589
in in that,

1544
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:59,510
in that area? Because you're already starting to

1545
00:52:59,510 --> 00:53:00,949
move. So if if you can see what's

1546
00:53:00,949 --> 00:53:02,730
going on in this design, right,

1547
00:53:03,269 --> 00:53:04,949
when I when I move that trigger just

1548
00:53:04,949 --> 00:53:07,510
that little bit, I'm deactivating the internal safety,

1549
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:09,888
but nothing else is moving. Nothing else is

1550
00:53:09,888 --> 00:53:12,155
moving. Okay. Taking up the slack. Then Right.

1551
00:53:12,235 --> 00:53:14,954
You can see from this side, probably, you

1552
00:53:14,954 --> 00:53:16,015
can see it best.

1553
00:53:17,594 --> 00:53:20,015
What you're looking at is this part

1554
00:53:21,035 --> 00:53:22,094
right here.

1555
00:53:22,394 --> 00:53:24,094
You're gonna see it move down.

1556
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:27,170
See it moving down there? Yeah.

1557
00:53:27,469 --> 00:53:29,390
So there is a period thing that happens

1558
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:31,230
with just the quote, unquote taking up the

1559
00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:32,449
slack is I deactivate

1560
00:53:32,829 --> 00:53:34,050
the internal safety.

1561
00:53:34,349 --> 00:53:37,005
Then when I continue to press, I move

1562
00:53:37,005 --> 00:53:39,484
that down. And by moving that down, that's

1563
00:53:39,484 --> 00:53:41,085
when I'm I'm moving it. Let's go back

1564
00:53:41,085 --> 00:53:42,065
to my horrible

1565
00:53:43,644 --> 00:53:45,885
Yeah. That's in here. When I when I

1566
00:53:45,885 --> 00:53:48,784
move that down, that lets this go forward.

1567
00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:49,799
And, of course,

1568
00:53:50,179 --> 00:53:52,739
this is is that toe that's attached to

1569
00:53:52,739 --> 00:53:54,980
the actual striker that moves forward like that.

1570
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:57,619
So how many other major here. So how

1571
00:53:57,619 --> 00:53:59,719
many other major here blocking it,

1572
00:54:00,019 --> 00:54:02,420
the trigger press moves this down that lets

1573
00:54:02,420 --> 00:54:04,304
this whole thing move forward and that pokes

1574
00:54:04,304 --> 00:54:05,364
the back of the ammunition.

1575
00:54:06,304 --> 00:54:07,824
So on the Glock design, though, part of

1576
00:54:07,824 --> 00:54:09,925
that trigger press is not only

1577
00:54:10,385 --> 00:54:12,385
moving that block out of the way, but

1578
00:54:12,385 --> 00:54:15,125
is also pulling the striker mechanism back.

1579
00:54:15,664 --> 00:54:18,304
Yeah. So so let let's go back into

1580
00:54:18,304 --> 00:54:19,364
the p d 10.

1581
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,800
I think you can you can see what's

1582
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,260
going on here. So

1583
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,420
this the equivalent piece

1584
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,260
is right here.

1585
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,059
Right? So that little piece right there

1586
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,300
is holding on to

1587
00:54:37,775 --> 00:54:39,235
the that toe

1588
00:54:40,414 --> 00:54:41,074
right there.

1589
00:54:41,855 --> 00:54:42,355
Right?

1590
00:54:42,974 --> 00:54:45,739
So we're not, quote, unquote, fully cocked. Some

1591
00:54:45,739 --> 00:54:47,579
striker fired guns are fully cocked, some are

1592
00:54:47,579 --> 00:54:49,099
half cocked, whatever you wanna whatever you call

1593
00:54:49,099 --> 00:54:50,619
it. There's a certain amount of energy there

1594
00:54:50,619 --> 00:54:53,339
in it. So what's happening now when I

1595
00:54:53,339 --> 00:54:55,500
when I move the trigger, you can see

1596
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:57,119
that is gonna go backwards

1597
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:58,400
and down.

1598
00:54:58,894 --> 00:55:00,675
You can see all that movement backwards.

1599
00:55:01,054 --> 00:55:02,594
Mhmm. That's the final

1600
00:55:02,974 --> 00:55:06,335
movement of of the striker backwards against spring

1601
00:55:06,335 --> 00:55:08,355
tension to load it with more power.

1602
00:55:08,655 --> 00:55:10,974
And then the last piece of the puzzle,

1603
00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:12,815
which you can't really see very well in

1604
00:55:12,815 --> 00:55:13,315
here,

1605
00:55:15,460 --> 00:55:15,960
is

1606
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:19,219
right there. Let me go let me get

1607
00:55:19,219 --> 00:55:20,739
one that's out of the gun. I probably

1608
00:55:20,739 --> 00:55:22,739
have one over here somewhere. So the three

1609
00:55:22,739 --> 00:55:24,420
twenty That's the beauty of being at the

1610
00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:26,579
factory where you make those guns is you

1611
00:55:26,579 --> 00:55:28,119
you you have the parts.

1612
00:55:28,764 --> 00:55:29,264
Well,

1613
00:55:29,644 --> 00:55:30,925
yeah. But I may I may not they

1614
00:55:30,925 --> 00:55:32,364
don't like it when I build the guns

1615
00:55:32,364 --> 00:55:33,965
on my desk. You know? It turns out,

1616
00:55:33,965 --> 00:55:34,945
like so

1617
00:55:35,565 --> 00:55:37,965
talk amongst yourselves. So correct me if I'm

1618
00:55:37,965 --> 00:55:40,045
wrong, Edgar, but the three twenty is fully

1619
00:55:40,045 --> 00:55:40,545
cocked.

1620
00:55:41,429 --> 00:55:43,750
That is my understanding. Yes. My understanding is

1621
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:45,050
that it it is completely

1622
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:47,929
100%. I mean, it might be 99.

1623
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:50,710
But it has enough energy. Again, it might

1624
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:54,019
be it's so close that a a manufacturing

1625
00:55:55,235 --> 00:55:58,434
tolerance issue could cause that that surface, the

1626
00:55:58,434 --> 00:56:00,054
bearing surface to be uneven,

1627
00:56:00,434 --> 00:56:02,275
and maybe it puts the striker under a

1628
00:56:02,275 --> 00:56:04,135
little more attention just because of that.

1629
00:56:06,355 --> 00:56:07,255
Yeah. So

1630
00:56:07,635 --> 00:56:10,650
the the argument could be for a safer

1631
00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:12,670
striker fire design would be that

1632
00:56:14,010 --> 00:56:15,609
it it doesn't make a lot of sense

1633
00:56:15,609 --> 00:56:17,309
to have a fully cocked striker,

1634
00:56:18,489 --> 00:56:18,989
if

1635
00:56:19,289 --> 00:56:21,449
what you're trying to accomplish there is is

1636
00:56:21,449 --> 00:56:22,989
a shorter trigger press.

1637
00:56:26,454 --> 00:56:27,675
Like, you're trying to keep

1638
00:56:28,454 --> 00:56:30,535
because you would think, like, the entire action

1639
00:56:30,535 --> 00:56:32,695
of the trigger going back would be partially

1640
00:56:32,695 --> 00:56:34,855
to pull the trigger or pull the, striker

1641
00:56:34,855 --> 00:56:35,355
backwards

1642
00:56:35,909 --> 00:56:37,750
before releasing it. But if we want a

1643
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:40,170
shorter trigger press, then that means we need

1644
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:42,549
more energy stored ready to go in the

1645
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:44,309
spring. So it needs to move not at

1646
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:46,389
all or barely at all Yeah. To get

1647
00:56:46,389 --> 00:56:48,630
that But not only shorter, but also lighter.

1648
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:50,469
Right? Lighter. You're putting that energy in there.

1649
00:56:50,469 --> 00:56:52,574
So, again, if you if you look in

1650
00:56:52,574 --> 00:56:53,074
here,

1651
00:56:54,494 --> 00:56:56,034
we're we're looking specifically at

1652
00:56:57,695 --> 00:56:58,594
this post

1653
00:57:00,015 --> 00:57:01,394
right there. Yeah.

1654
00:57:01,695 --> 00:57:03,635
That piece that sticks up. That

1655
00:57:04,255 --> 00:57:04,755
is

1656
00:57:05,614 --> 00:57:06,114
this.

1657
00:57:06,769 --> 00:57:08,289
Right? So you can see that when I

1658
00:57:08,289 --> 00:57:09,909
have that perfectly vertical,

1659
00:57:10,849 --> 00:57:12,869
this angle is sloped downward.

1660
00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:16,230
So the way these parts connect,

1661
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:20,150
this is a beat up old trigger bar.

1662
00:57:20,625 --> 00:57:22,545
This wing from that side of the trigger

1663
00:57:22,545 --> 00:57:24,804
bar lives just under there. Right?

1664
00:57:25,744 --> 00:57:27,425
You can see that. And when I pull

1665
00:57:27,425 --> 00:57:29,204
the trigger, remember it moved backwards

1666
00:57:29,585 --> 00:57:31,204
and and went down?

1667
00:57:31,744 --> 00:57:34,465
So the downward motion is caused by the

1668
00:57:34,465 --> 00:57:35,925
interaction with that slope.

1669
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:38,440
So it's it's being pushed

1670
00:57:39,059 --> 00:57:41,380
down as I pull backwards, but it's being

1671
00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:43,859
pushed down by that slope. That's what pulls

1672
00:57:43,859 --> 00:57:45,880
this part down off that striker.

1673
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:47,780
Is that I'm pulling the trigger. The trigger

1674
00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:50,679
bar would move straight back, but that slope

1675
00:57:51,195 --> 00:57:52,414
on this piece

1676
00:57:52,795 --> 00:57:55,055
is what actually causes that to disconnect

1677
00:57:55,594 --> 00:57:56,094
from

1678
00:57:56,635 --> 00:57:58,635
the striker and let let the striker go

1679
00:57:58,635 --> 00:58:00,394
forward. So it has to move, you know,

1680
00:58:00,394 --> 00:58:02,635
about that much. It's just at the very

1681
00:58:02,635 --> 00:58:04,155
front of that and it moves to the

1682
00:58:04,155 --> 00:58:05,055
back of that,

1683
00:58:06,359 --> 00:58:07,880
and that's what you're feeling when you press

1684
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,799
the trigger. And it pivots. Right? The trigger

1685
00:58:09,799 --> 00:58:11,559
part pivots so that that little tab or

1686
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,159
what you call the bird's head can fully

1687
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:15,639
engage on the, the This is pivoting. So

1688
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:16,920
as you can see that the bird's head

1689
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:17,980
up here is ramped

1690
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,579
so that it catches,

1691
00:58:20,755 --> 00:58:22,375
where did I put those little bits?

1692
00:58:23,554 --> 00:58:25,715
Here we go. So what it's doing is

1693
00:58:25,715 --> 00:58:26,534
it's catching

1694
00:58:29,315 --> 00:58:30,675
and this is if people were wondering, like,

1695
00:58:30,675 --> 00:58:32,034
wait a minute. That doesn't make any sense.

1696
00:58:32,034 --> 00:58:33,960
Well, here's how here's what happens. This is

1697
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,380
sitting in the gun like this vertically. Right?

1698
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,780
And, normally, this chunky metal bit up here

1699
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:43,559
is what's blocking the striker from moving forward.

1700
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:46,119
And as this presses up, that opens up

1701
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:48,135
this channel and that channel lets the striker

1702
00:58:48,135 --> 00:58:50,695
go forward through that channel. So the striker

1703
00:58:50,695 --> 00:58:52,695
is blocked by the meaty part up the

1704
00:58:52,695 --> 00:58:55,835
top. The bottom engages with the bird's head.

1705
00:58:55,894 --> 00:58:57,815
It gets pushed up and then the striker

1706
00:58:57,815 --> 00:58:59,434
can go forward through that channel

1707
00:58:59,735 --> 00:59:00,795
after it's released

1708
00:59:01,094 --> 00:59:03,260
from the back of the trigger bar. So

1709
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:03,980
the ramp

1710
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,199
that you see at the back of this

1711
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:07,019
bird's head

1712
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,960
is what's engaging that part. Right? So this

1713
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,659
is sitting here kinda like this.

1714
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:14,280
And let me get the right angle. As

1715
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,420
this moves backwards,

1716
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:18,304
it pushes that up. So this moves straight

1717
00:59:18,304 --> 00:59:20,724
back and that pushes this up.

1718
00:59:21,105 --> 00:59:23,264
And when this goes up from here to

1719
00:59:23,264 --> 00:59:25,824
there, that's enough to get this chunky part

1720
00:59:25,824 --> 00:59:27,684
out of the way of the striker,

1721
00:59:27,984 --> 00:59:29,284
which we looked at earlier.

1722
00:59:29,585 --> 00:59:30,085
And

1723
00:59:30,429 --> 00:59:33,070
again, do I I don't think everybody needs

1724
00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:35,230
to understand how this all works. I I

1725
00:59:35,230 --> 00:59:35,730
would

1726
00:59:36,110 --> 00:59:37,570
go back to ten years ago,

1727
00:59:38,269 --> 00:59:40,269
twelve years ago now when when, you know,

1728
00:59:40,269 --> 00:59:42,349
the guys at the table voted, you know,

1729
00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:44,065
me as the guy that would be most

1730
00:59:44,065 --> 00:59:46,144
likely to be able to design a gun.

1731
00:59:46,144 --> 00:59:47,184
You know, we had a guy in the

1732
00:59:47,184 --> 00:59:48,304
sales, we had a guy that was an

1733
00:59:48,304 --> 00:59:49,985
importer, we had, you know, guys that that

1734
00:59:49,985 --> 00:59:51,204
did a lot of different things

1735
00:59:51,664 --> 00:59:53,364
at the table, but I was the instructor

1736
00:59:53,425 --> 00:59:55,025
kinda I was the the shooter guy. I

1737
00:59:55,025 --> 00:59:56,639
was actually the guy who had the most

1738
00:59:56,799 --> 00:59:58,639
experience with the actual guns on the ranges

1739
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:00,179
with people when we had that discussion.

1740
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:01,760
So they all looked at me, but the

1741
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,059
reality is I I

1742
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:06,480
could have reverse engineered, right, any any kind

1743
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,839
of gun and just said, well, here's this.

1744
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:09,199
What I was much more I was much

1745
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:11,085
more worried about things like the the the

1746
01:00:11,085 --> 01:00:13,804
bore axis and things like the the grip

1747
01:00:13,804 --> 01:00:15,405
width and the and the trigger press, what

1748
01:00:15,405 --> 01:00:16,684
the trigger press is gonna feel like, and

1749
01:00:16,684 --> 01:00:18,445
how the magazine release worked, and how the

1750
01:00:18,445 --> 01:00:19,965
slide stop worked. I was worried about the

1751
01:00:19,965 --> 01:00:22,204
user experience stuff, but I really didn't have

1752
01:00:22,204 --> 01:00:24,684
any vision for what the internals would look

1753
01:00:24,684 --> 01:00:26,420
like because I just never had to pay

1754
01:00:26,420 --> 01:00:28,440
that much attention to the internals.

1755
01:00:28,739 --> 01:00:30,260
So I wouldn't have been able to tell

1756
01:00:30,260 --> 01:00:32,739
you nearly as much about how the inside

1757
01:00:32,739 --> 01:00:34,739
of a of a SIG versus the inside

1758
01:00:34,739 --> 01:00:36,579
of a Canek versus the inside of a

1759
01:00:36,579 --> 01:00:38,684
Glock versus the inside of the PD 10.

1760
01:00:38,684 --> 01:00:40,125
I wouldn't wouldn't have been able to tell

1761
01:00:40,125 --> 01:00:41,565
you a tenth of what I can tell

1762
01:00:41,565 --> 01:00:43,884
you now twelve years ago. I've had to

1763
01:00:43,884 --> 01:00:45,964
learn a lot more about what's going on

1764
01:00:45,964 --> 01:00:48,764
internally in order to bring, like, my vision

1765
01:00:48,764 --> 01:00:51,184
of how a gun should feel to market.

1766
01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:53,809
And that requires the engineers and the the

1767
01:00:53,809 --> 01:00:55,809
tool and dye makers and all these these

1768
01:00:55,809 --> 01:00:58,309
experts in the manufacturing world who have educated

1769
01:00:58,369 --> 01:01:00,769
me about, you know, metals and coatings and

1770
01:01:00,769 --> 01:01:03,489
angles and and thousands and and all this

1771
01:01:03,489 --> 01:01:03,989
stuff.

1772
01:01:05,144 --> 01:01:06,425
A lot of people, you know, that's why

1773
01:01:06,505 --> 01:01:08,425
it's kinda what hurts the most if there

1774
01:01:08,465 --> 01:01:10,184
if the Internet can still hurt me, it's

1775
01:01:10,184 --> 01:01:12,105
the guys in the comment section like, so

1776
01:01:12,105 --> 01:01:13,965
basically, you just made another block.

1777
01:01:16,184 --> 01:01:17,885
Life would have been so much easier.

1778
01:01:18,469 --> 01:01:19,989
I thought hurting you was asking you how

1779
01:01:19,989 --> 01:01:21,190
long it was gonna take for it to

1780
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:23,190
get the market. Have you have you seen

1781
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:25,030
the inside of a Versa b p nine?

1782
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:26,469
You know, have you seen the inside of

1783
01:01:26,469 --> 01:01:28,309
this gun? Like, you're watching a video showing

1784
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:29,829
you the inside of this gun. You could

1785
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:31,989
Google what the inside of other guns look

1786
01:01:31,989 --> 01:01:33,690
like, and you could figure out that there's

1787
01:01:34,175 --> 01:01:36,655
literally zero parts that I can take from

1788
01:01:36,655 --> 01:01:39,054
this and put in any other gun without

1789
01:01:39,054 --> 01:01:40,734
a bigger hammer than what I've been using

1790
01:01:40,734 --> 01:01:41,875
here for this video.

1791
01:01:42,255 --> 01:01:44,094
Yeah. It it's kinda like like And and

1792
01:01:44,094 --> 01:01:45,534
and people, oh, you just did you just

1793
01:01:45,614 --> 01:01:47,695
somebody said yesterday, I did an another an

1794
01:01:47,695 --> 01:01:48,195
RXM.

1795
01:01:49,135 --> 01:01:49,739
I'm like

1796
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:53,119
Yeah. That really It it's it's like telling

1797
01:01:53,739 --> 01:01:55,599
Ford you just made another Chevy.

1798
01:01:56,219 --> 01:01:59,360
Yeah. Oh. They're just like, no. Like, that's

1799
01:01:59,579 --> 01:02:01,099
that's not the way it works. Right? Have

1800
01:02:01,099 --> 01:02:03,195
you seen the Nurburgring numbers from last week?

1801
01:02:03,275 --> 01:02:04,954
Ford wishes they had made another Chevy. They

1802
01:02:04,954 --> 01:02:07,035
put they had a $325,000

1803
01:02:07,035 --> 01:02:08,954
Mustang. It just got beat by three seconds

1804
01:02:08,954 --> 01:02:09,855
by the new vet.

1805
01:02:10,394 --> 01:02:11,535
Poor poor Ford.

1806
01:02:12,155 --> 01:02:14,175
Well, it's Poor little guys. Not the same.

1807
01:02:14,715 --> 01:02:17,319
Let's move on. Let's move on. Fuck fuck

1808
01:02:17,319 --> 01:02:18,059
that conversation.

1809
01:02:18,839 --> 01:02:20,280
I'm not I'm not gonna talk about cars.

1810
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,119
Don't you talk don't you don't you talk

1811
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:24,059
shit about my my ovals.

1812
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:28,359
I I drive a Ford. I actually I

1813
01:02:28,359 --> 01:02:30,760
I right now, I have a Toyota, a

1814
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,304
BMW, a Ford, a Dodge,

1815
01:02:33,684 --> 01:02:36,164
and Do you really have a BMW? Mini

1816
01:02:36,164 --> 01:02:38,405
Cooper, which is kinda like a BMW. Remember

1817
01:02:38,405 --> 01:02:39,925
that? I drove that once to a meeting

1818
01:02:39,925 --> 01:02:42,984
here at, like, little three cylinder thing. So

1819
01:02:43,445 --> 01:02:45,445
and a Ducati. So I'm I'm pretty well

1820
01:02:45,445 --> 01:02:47,304
represented across the board, but,

1821
01:02:48,489 --> 01:02:50,730
yeah, it's Yeah. I do feel bad for

1822
01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:52,250
the the the guys who are excited about

1823
01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:53,530
that 300,000

1824
01:02:53,530 --> 01:02:55,050
must first of all, $300,000

1825
01:02:55,050 --> 01:02:55,550
Mustang.

1826
01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:58,329
It's crazy. You're silly. You're silly. It's crazy.

1827
01:02:58,329 --> 01:03:00,430
Well and and this is, again,

1828
01:03:00,970 --> 01:03:01,630
the market

1829
01:03:02,414 --> 01:03:05,055
saying they want something without knowing what they

1830
01:03:05,055 --> 01:03:06,735
really want, and this is how we end

1831
01:03:06,735 --> 01:03:08,255
up with really shit guns. This is how

1832
01:03:08,255 --> 01:03:09,775
we end up with with the SIG p

1833
01:03:09,775 --> 01:03:10,835
three twenty is

1834
01:03:11,295 --> 01:03:13,474
the the market saying on Reddit

1835
01:03:13,775 --> 01:03:14,594
very loudly,

1836
01:03:15,449 --> 01:03:17,289
this is what I want, and and then

1837
01:03:17,289 --> 01:03:19,050
it comes out. And then very quickly, you're

1838
01:03:19,050 --> 01:03:20,590
like, oh, that's not what I want. And

1839
01:03:20,889 --> 01:03:22,489
and I I I did say this in

1840
01:03:22,489 --> 01:03:23,769
the video that I made about the p

1841
01:03:23,769 --> 01:03:24,829
three twenty is

1842
01:03:25,369 --> 01:03:26,809
I do wish there were there was more

1843
01:03:26,809 --> 01:03:28,809
of these conversations with the people who actually

1844
01:03:28,809 --> 01:03:29,630
make the guns

1845
01:03:30,045 --> 01:03:31,804
to educate the humans about what they really

1846
01:03:31,804 --> 01:03:32,545
want. Now

1847
01:03:32,844 --> 01:03:34,525
there there's always room, and we get it,

1848
01:03:34,525 --> 01:03:36,525
and we understand there's always room for the

1849
01:03:36,525 --> 01:03:39,085
competition people. There's always room for the the

1850
01:03:39,085 --> 01:03:41,724
silly stuff, the fun stuff. Right? You're making

1851
01:03:41,724 --> 01:03:44,284
a a a little silly shit that's gonna

1852
01:03:44,284 --> 01:03:45,025
shoot drones

1853
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,700
out of a fucking,

1854
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,140
three d printed,

1855
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,239
bullet. Like, that's fucking silly. But it so

1856
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,800
there's always room for for weird shit. But

1857
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,440
when we're talking about self defense stuff, when

1858
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,500
we're talking about

1859
01:03:59,864 --> 01:04:01,085
defending your life,

1860
01:04:01,465 --> 01:04:03,465
there needs to be more education, I think,

1861
01:04:03,465 --> 01:04:04,525
from from the,

1862
01:04:05,784 --> 01:04:07,784
the people who actually build the fucking guns

1863
01:04:07,784 --> 01:04:09,625
that tell people you don't need all of

1864
01:04:09,625 --> 01:04:10,364
the extra

1865
01:04:10,744 --> 01:04:11,244
shit

1866
01:04:11,579 --> 01:04:14,300
instead of just saying, yep. Yeah. Yeah. Like,

1867
01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:16,059
okay. So this is clear. Right? But but

1868
01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:17,900
this, if you if you take a look

1869
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:19,980
at the the map that this trigger needs

1870
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:20,640
to move

1871
01:04:22,780 --> 01:04:25,155
right? Like, this this is a Glock. It's

1872
01:04:25,155 --> 01:04:26,755
a polymer 80. It's a gun that I

1873
01:04:26,755 --> 01:04:28,054
built for it's a competition

1874
01:04:28,594 --> 01:04:30,135
polymer 80 Glock build,

1875
01:04:30,594 --> 01:04:32,054
using, like, almost no

1876
01:04:32,594 --> 01:04:33,574
OEM parts.

1877
01:04:33,954 --> 01:04:36,295
The magazine release, I think, is OEM. Otherwise,

1878
01:04:36,835 --> 01:04:39,094
you know, that's a barely moving trigger.

1879
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:41,909
I'm pretty sure that the bird's head part

1880
01:04:41,909 --> 01:04:44,710
on this is already engaging that that drop

1881
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:45,210
safety,

1882
01:04:45,590 --> 01:04:47,989
and it's it takes barely any pressure and

1883
01:04:47,989 --> 01:04:49,670
barely any weight to make this thing off.

1884
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:51,690
This is a competition style trigger

1885
01:04:52,204 --> 01:04:54,204
in a Glock, right, as opposed to a

1886
01:04:54,204 --> 01:04:56,204
normal Glock trigger that requires a lot more

1887
01:04:56,204 --> 01:04:57,585
pressure and a lot more movement.

1888
01:04:58,045 --> 01:05:00,125
The these things can exist. Like, I I

1889
01:05:00,125 --> 01:05:03,105
can I have this? It's it's safe enough

1890
01:05:03,244 --> 01:05:05,164
for the intended purpose. I would never carry

1891
01:05:05,164 --> 01:05:07,280
it. I wouldn't stage it with a home

1892
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,360
defense gun. I wouldn't hand it to you

1893
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,039
when you came to visit and have you

1894
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:12,480
go out to the range and go bang.

1895
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,920
And so, oh, I wasn't ready for it

1896
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,119
to go bang Yeah. Because that would be

1897
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,039
reckless and negligent of me. I would tell

1898
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:18,800
you, like, I would show you exactly everybody

1899
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,224
that's ever shot this. I show them. I

1900
01:05:20,224 --> 01:05:22,144
said, look. This is gonna go off, like,

1901
01:05:22,144 --> 01:05:23,505
when you breathe on it. It's like a

1902
01:05:23,505 --> 01:05:26,465
cocked Colt Python. Like, it's ready to go.

1903
01:05:26,465 --> 01:05:27,985
Right? And people are like, oh, it's a

1904
01:05:27,985 --> 01:05:29,265
Glock, and they don't think about it. And

1905
01:05:29,265 --> 01:05:30,864
then but at least they're pointing at the

1906
01:05:30,864 --> 01:05:32,864
berm when it goes, and they say, oh,

1907
01:05:32,864 --> 01:05:34,469
I didn't know. I wasn't ready for it.

1908
01:05:34,550 --> 01:05:36,730
Right? And what's what's hilarious is

1909
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:38,730
with, you know, my gun.

1910
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:40,630
Right? People will go out there and they'll

1911
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:42,389
start shooting it, and they'll they'll go to

1912
01:05:42,389 --> 01:05:43,829
take up the slack, and there's no slack.

1913
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:46,309
There's no slack yet. Just right away. So

1914
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:48,230
so the first, I'll see this weird hesitation

1915
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:50,204
on the trigger, then they'll start pressing the

1916
01:05:50,204 --> 01:05:50,704
trigger,

1917
01:05:51,164 --> 01:05:52,444
and then they'll let go and they'll let

1918
01:05:52,525 --> 01:05:54,364
they'll sometimes, not always, but some people who

1919
01:05:54,364 --> 01:05:55,744
are really used to

1920
01:05:56,125 --> 01:05:58,125
there's nothing and then there's everything and then

1921
01:05:58,125 --> 01:06:00,204
it breaks. On a striker fired gun, they'll

1922
01:06:00,204 --> 01:06:01,724
start pressing the trigger. You can tell who's

1923
01:06:01,724 --> 01:06:03,809
never shot a double action gun before. Right?

1924
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:05,650
And they'll start they'll start pressing the trigger,

1925
01:06:05,650 --> 01:06:07,170
and then they'll, like, I don't think it's

1926
01:06:07,170 --> 01:06:07,670
working.

1927
01:06:08,210 --> 01:06:09,510
Just keep pressing.

1928
01:06:10,050 --> 01:06:11,969
Like like, it it needs to move more

1929
01:06:11,969 --> 01:06:13,489
than a than a a quarter of an

1930
01:06:13,489 --> 01:06:15,250
inch. Right? Yeah. And and what's funny is

1931
01:06:15,250 --> 01:06:17,410
when you measure the total distance of movement

1932
01:06:17,410 --> 01:06:19,244
here, it's not any different than like an

1933
01:06:19,244 --> 01:06:21,724
MMP or an XD or a Glock. What's

1934
01:06:21,724 --> 01:06:24,284
different is you're feeling the weight right away,

1935
01:06:24,284 --> 01:06:26,364
and the weight stays pretty consistent all the

1936
01:06:26,364 --> 01:06:28,525
way through. So you're you're getting four and

1937
01:06:28,525 --> 01:06:29,585
a half five pounds

1938
01:06:29,964 --> 01:06:31,789
all the way through the full press Correct.

1939
01:06:31,869 --> 01:06:34,349
As opposed to getting nothing hitting a wall

1940
01:06:34,349 --> 01:06:36,510
and then getting everything or having something that

1941
01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:38,590
ramps up more like the Glock does goes

1942
01:06:38,590 --> 01:06:40,510
from a certain amount to more, more, more,

1943
01:06:40,510 --> 01:06:42,190
more, more, and then it breaks. So the

1944
01:06:42,190 --> 01:06:45,230
trigger feels different, but, you know, as countless

1945
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:47,010
people have demonstrated in their reviews,

1946
01:06:47,605 --> 01:06:49,545
once you understand what the trigger is doing,

1947
01:06:50,325 --> 01:06:51,625
that gun's more capable

1948
01:06:51,925 --> 01:06:53,844
capable of more accuracy than I ever needed

1949
01:06:53,844 --> 01:06:55,785
it to be for for a defensive gun.

1950
01:06:56,085 --> 01:06:58,265
So would a you a a useful analogy

1951
01:06:58,325 --> 01:06:59,204
be for, like,

1952
01:06:59,525 --> 01:07:02,744
competition to self defense be the difference between

1953
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:07,079
racing slick tires on a NASCAR track versus,

1954
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:10,139
tires with tread on them

1955
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,639
on roads that everybody drives on? Yeah. Absolutely.

1956
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:15,340
I think I think the slick tires

1957
01:07:15,644 --> 01:07:17,324
on on any, you know, any kind of

1958
01:07:17,324 --> 01:07:19,565
racing track where you're gonna use slick tires

1959
01:07:19,565 --> 01:07:22,385
on a controlled surface in a controlled environment,

1960
01:07:23,565 --> 01:07:24,065
versus,

1961
01:07:24,525 --> 01:07:26,204
you know, your all season or your all

1962
01:07:26,204 --> 01:07:27,885
terrain type tire that you put on your

1963
01:07:27,885 --> 01:07:29,644
cars that you can just drive and not

1964
01:07:29,644 --> 01:07:31,949
think about your tires. Right? I mean, for

1965
01:07:31,949 --> 01:07:33,630
people who follow f one. Right? Like, the

1966
01:07:33,710 --> 01:07:35,869
I mean, half the damn conversation and all

1967
01:07:35,869 --> 01:07:37,710
the commentaries about the tires. When are they

1968
01:07:37,710 --> 01:07:39,150
gonna change the tires? Which tires they go

1969
01:07:39,150 --> 01:07:40,750
into? How long are the tires gonna last?

1970
01:07:40,750 --> 01:07:42,269
Are they degrading? Did they warm them up

1971
01:07:42,269 --> 01:07:43,949
to the right temperature? Have they broken them

1972
01:07:43,949 --> 01:07:46,065
in on the first couple laps? Like, half

1973
01:07:46,065 --> 01:07:48,144
of the conversation with f one racing is

1974
01:07:48,144 --> 01:07:50,704
about the tires for a reason. Right? It's

1975
01:07:50,704 --> 01:07:52,224
like the science of the tires and the

1976
01:07:52,224 --> 01:07:55,284
tires are incredibly important, but a one raindrop

1977
01:07:55,505 --> 01:07:57,284
falls and they all run

1978
01:07:57,780 --> 01:07:59,699
and and have to get the wet tires,

1979
01:07:59,699 --> 01:08:00,980
have to get the special tires for the

1980
01:08:00,980 --> 01:08:03,300
rain weather. Right? In NASCAR, one raindrop falls,

1981
01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:05,059
and they all stop racing. And they bring

1982
01:08:05,059 --> 01:08:05,800
out giant

1983
01:08:06,099 --> 01:08:08,420
trucks that the hairdryer, dry dry and blow

1984
01:08:08,420 --> 01:08:10,660
dryer trucks to, to dry the track off.

1985
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:12,179
But you can't do it. They race in

1986
01:08:12,179 --> 01:08:14,635
the rain. It's the same principle. It's just

1987
01:08:14,635 --> 01:08:16,734
traction, but it is not the same application.

1988
01:08:17,675 --> 01:08:19,935
Right. So so a a competition

1989
01:08:20,795 --> 01:08:21,295
trigger

1990
01:08:21,835 --> 01:08:23,675
is very much like that. It just got

1991
01:08:23,675 --> 01:08:26,475
no room for error. It's only really designed

1992
01:08:26,475 --> 01:08:28,880
to work inside of this narrow window, and

1993
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,039
it worked really, really, really well in that

1994
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:31,780
narrow window.

1995
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,520
You gotta stop. This this is

1996
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,479
when people show up with, like, staccatos and

1997
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,640
and all the douchery with the smooth trigger

1998
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,239
press, this is what I think if we're

1999
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:43,935
gonna use cars as an analogy.

2000
01:08:44,335 --> 01:08:46,255
You're right. Yeah. Okay. That's that's that's a

2001
01:08:46,255 --> 01:08:47,314
three twenty trigger.

2002
01:08:48,015 --> 01:08:50,335
That's probably threaded. You're just you just you're

2003
01:08:50,335 --> 01:08:52,675
actually moving most of the tread away from

2004
01:08:53,135 --> 01:08:55,314
where it ever possibly touched the road.

2005
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,079
When when I hear people say I did

2006
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:02,239
this because I want smooth trigger press, that's

2007
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:04,159
exactly what I think about it is this

2008
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:06,640
douchery that you're like, you don't understand how

2009
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,079
how it all works. Yeah. Well, my thing

2010
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:10,215
is always why. Like, why? Yeah. I want

2011
01:09:10,215 --> 01:09:11,655
it to be easier to hit the target.

2012
01:09:11,655 --> 01:09:13,515
Well, how easy does it need to be?

2013
01:09:13,735 --> 01:09:15,895
And once people realize they can hit the

2014
01:09:15,895 --> 01:09:17,515
targets that they're overwhelmingly

2015
01:09:17,895 --> 01:09:19,655
99% of the stuff they're gonna need to

2016
01:09:19,655 --> 01:09:21,015
do, that they can do it with a

2017
01:09:21,015 --> 01:09:22,314
stock Glock 19

2018
01:09:22,770 --> 01:09:25,590
or p d 10 or XDS or whatever.

2019
01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:27,649
Once they realize they can, I think they

2020
01:09:27,649 --> 01:09:28,149
they

2021
01:09:28,529 --> 01:09:31,510
they get past it? Now plenty of graduates

2022
01:09:31,569 --> 01:09:33,250
of of our training and and I think,

2023
01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:34,609
you know, I say our because you guys

2024
01:09:34,609 --> 01:09:36,689
teach the same philosophies and run the same

2025
01:09:36,689 --> 01:09:38,069
classes a lot of times.

2026
01:09:39,494 --> 01:09:41,175
Plenty of people who get it and who

2027
01:09:41,175 --> 01:09:41,675
carry

2028
01:09:42,375 --> 01:09:44,135
a gun like we would say, yeah. Good

2029
01:09:44,135 --> 01:09:46,614
job. They also have the range toys. Right?

2030
01:09:46,614 --> 01:09:48,854
They have the the the competition type stuff,

2031
01:09:48,854 --> 01:09:51,094
and there's nothing wrong with that. Like, both

2032
01:09:51,094 --> 01:09:52,395
things can coexist,

2033
01:09:52,900 --> 01:09:55,560
but you have to be willing to accept

2034
01:09:56,420 --> 01:09:59,159
the reality of the range is a racetrack

2035
01:09:59,220 --> 01:09:59,960
for guns.

2036
01:10:00,340 --> 01:10:02,340
So just like you can perform really well

2037
01:10:02,340 --> 01:10:04,579
if you set your car up exactly the

2038
01:10:04,579 --> 01:10:05,320
same way

2039
01:10:05,755 --> 01:10:07,675
on the rain, you know, for that race

2040
01:10:07,675 --> 01:10:09,675
track, like, the same way for the same

2041
01:10:09,675 --> 01:10:11,675
weather, for the same temperature, for the same

2042
01:10:11,675 --> 01:10:14,895
series of corners and all that, 100% absolutely

2043
01:10:15,034 --> 01:10:15,775
no problem,

2044
01:10:17,275 --> 01:10:19,354
then you're good. But if you start thinking

2045
01:10:19,354 --> 01:10:21,569
because you can drive so well with that

2046
01:10:21,569 --> 01:10:24,229
car set up that way with those tires

2047
01:10:24,529 --> 01:10:26,369
at the track, you need to have your

2048
01:10:26,369 --> 01:10:29,189
daily driver commuter car with those tires.

2049
01:10:29,569 --> 01:10:32,149
That's when you you would learn that lesson

2050
01:10:32,369 --> 01:10:35,125
in twelve minutes in the real world. Right?

2051
01:10:35,425 --> 01:10:37,744
But you'd never thankfully, I would say is

2052
01:10:37,744 --> 01:10:39,664
thankfully, we live in a world where most

2053
01:10:39,664 --> 01:10:41,984
people never actually have to use their guns

2054
01:10:41,984 --> 01:10:43,444
anywhere but the racetrack.

2055
01:10:43,824 --> 01:10:45,425
Right. So we don't have to learn that

2056
01:10:45,425 --> 01:10:47,344
hard lesson that people are making really bad

2057
01:10:47,344 --> 01:10:50,310
choices. The three twenty is just such a

2058
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:50,970
bad choice

2059
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:52,970
and and such a bad design

2060
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:55,189
that people are learning a lesson that you

2061
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:58,729
don't want these guns with really narrow windows

2062
01:10:59,109 --> 01:11:01,909
for for failure. You don't want narrow windows

2063
01:11:01,909 --> 01:11:04,390
for failure out in the real practical duty

2064
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:06,734
carry home defense world. And and that's what

2065
01:11:06,734 --> 01:11:08,354
we've got, I think, with the three twenty.

2066
01:11:08,494 --> 01:11:10,654
It's not that those tires don't make sense

2067
01:11:10,654 --> 01:11:12,895
in context. It's not that this trigger wouldn't

2068
01:11:12,895 --> 01:11:14,734
make sense in context. I think one of

2069
01:11:14,734 --> 01:11:16,654
the contributing factors to why we don't see

2070
01:11:16,654 --> 01:11:18,814
the the x carries and the, you know,

2071
01:11:18,814 --> 01:11:21,539
those those fancier more expensive versions of the

2072
01:11:21,539 --> 01:11:23,699
gun with exactly the same trigger, why don't

2073
01:11:23,699 --> 01:11:24,760
we see them implicated?

2074
01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:27,319
They're being used by a more discerning

2075
01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:31,060
owner. They're being in most cases, they're being

2076
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:33,295
owned by someone who's treating it like the

2077
01:11:33,295 --> 01:11:34,975
range toy that it is, you know, or

2078
01:11:34,975 --> 01:11:36,975
like the competition gun that it is. Yeah.

2079
01:11:36,975 --> 01:11:38,895
They're not throwing it around like like it's

2080
01:11:38,895 --> 01:11:40,814
a Glock 19, and that's the problem. It's

2081
01:11:40,814 --> 01:11:42,175
not you sell this like it's a Glock

2082
01:11:42,175 --> 01:11:44,574
19, but it actually has the window the

2083
01:11:44,574 --> 01:11:47,234
margin for error, that window for negligence tolerance.

2084
01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:49,800
Then you throw in the MIM parts, then

2085
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,239
you throw in the mass production, then you

2086
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:52,840
throw in the quality control, then you throw

2087
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,920
in the obstinance of we're not gonna put

2088
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,279
a tab on it because we don't think

2089
01:11:56,279 --> 01:11:58,119
we need one regardless of the fact that

2090
01:11:58,119 --> 01:11:59,100
this keeps happening.

2091
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,399
We're gonna say, you know, there's no problem

2092
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:03,385
even though there's clearly something going on. You

2093
01:12:03,385 --> 01:12:05,625
know, you just you just it just keeps

2094
01:12:05,625 --> 01:12:07,225
building and building and building and building and

2095
01:12:07,225 --> 01:12:10,024
building to the point where I think they've

2096
01:12:10,024 --> 01:12:11,784
killed the the design. Whereas they might have

2097
01:12:11,784 --> 01:12:13,064
been able to save it, you know, two

2098
01:12:13,064 --> 01:12:14,765
or three times in the last decade.

2099
01:12:15,145 --> 01:12:15,885
I I can't

2100
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,640
take anybody seriously right now who's carrying the

2101
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,560
gun. Like, Zeke Stout was on,

2102
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,560
a video we did,

2103
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,199
talking about this a week couple weeks ago

2104
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:27,520
with, Tony Simon and those guys, and he

2105
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,520
was saying he still trusts his gun. Like,

2106
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,395
he's wiggled it. He's messed with it. He's

2107
01:12:31,395 --> 01:12:33,014
done this, and I'm like, yeah. But

2108
01:12:33,954 --> 01:12:35,474
any you can you can have a problem

2109
01:12:35,474 --> 01:12:37,074
with any gun. There could be a mechanical

2110
01:12:37,074 --> 01:12:38,514
failure with any gun. There could be a

2111
01:12:38,514 --> 01:12:39,954
negative there could be a mistake you could

2112
01:12:39,954 --> 01:12:41,094
make with any gun.

2113
01:12:41,395 --> 01:12:43,875
Why? Like, who's what's gonna happen the day

2114
01:12:43,875 --> 01:12:45,939
you make that mistake or that that mechanical

2115
01:12:45,939 --> 01:12:47,479
failure happens with the three twenty?

2116
01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:50,340
Literally everyone you know is gonna say, I

2117
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:51,939
can't believe you were still carrying a three

2118
01:12:51,939 --> 01:12:53,619
twenty, dude, with all this going on. And

2119
01:12:53,619 --> 01:12:55,060
he he right there on air, he's like,

2120
01:12:55,060 --> 01:12:56,979
yeah. I hadn't really thought about that. You

2121
01:12:56,979 --> 01:12:58,215
know? So So he it's like I I

2122
01:12:58,375 --> 01:13:00,694
I'm less confident now just simply because of

2123
01:13:00,694 --> 01:13:01,435
that social

2124
01:13:01,814 --> 01:13:04,154
factor, that sociological factor of,

2125
01:13:04,534 --> 01:13:06,295
you know, judgment. Right? People said if I

2126
01:13:06,295 --> 01:13:07,734
ban the gun, I haven't banned the gun

2127
01:13:07,734 --> 01:13:09,574
from my classes, but I wanna see who

2128
01:13:09,574 --> 01:13:10,680
shows up with one.

2129
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:12,600
I wanna see what kinda holster they're using.

2130
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,039
I wanna see what their attitude is. I

2131
01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:15,739
wanna see if they've checked the tolerances

2132
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:18,520
between the top and the bottom parts. Right?

2133
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,199
I wanna I wanna I wanna see that

2134
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:21,720
before I tell them whether or not they're

2135
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,244
allowed to use it in the class, but

2136
01:13:23,244 --> 01:13:25,805
I'm not gonna blanket ban it because, again,

2137
01:13:25,805 --> 01:13:26,925
I don't first of all, I don't wanna

2138
01:13:26,925 --> 01:13:29,085
jump on the bandwagon. And second of all,

2139
01:13:29,085 --> 01:13:30,685
I don't think this is any different than

2140
01:13:30,685 --> 01:13:31,984
it was five years ago.

2141
01:13:32,444 --> 01:13:35,085
Right? The the airmen dying, if we don't

2142
01:13:35,085 --> 01:13:37,380
know much about that. Right? There we could

2143
01:13:37,380 --> 01:13:38,739
still this is, like, one of those active

2144
01:13:38,739 --> 01:13:40,979
shooter situations. Right? Where it's, like, there were

2145
01:13:40,979 --> 01:13:42,979
five people. There were five shooters. Now there

2146
01:13:42,979 --> 01:13:44,899
was one shooter reported by five people from

2147
01:13:44,899 --> 01:13:47,300
five different angles. There was one shooter. This

2148
01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:48,979
could very well be there was nothing on

2149
01:13:48,979 --> 01:13:50,645
the trigger, and then we find out the

2150
01:13:50,645 --> 01:13:52,484
guy left a note and killed himself. Like,

2151
01:13:52,484 --> 01:13:53,465
we don't know.

2152
01:13:53,925 --> 01:13:56,244
And until we till that investigation plays out

2153
01:13:56,244 --> 01:13:58,005
and we actually find out what happened, which

2154
01:13:58,005 --> 01:13:59,064
we may never know,

2155
01:13:59,444 --> 01:14:01,604
for me, that airman, as tragic as it

2156
01:14:01,604 --> 01:14:02,489
is, and and

2157
01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:04,409
feel bad for the family, feel bad for

2158
01:14:04,409 --> 01:14:06,110
his friends, feel bad for him, obviously,

2159
01:14:07,050 --> 01:14:08,750
that doesn't change this for me.

2160
01:14:09,050 --> 01:14:10,770
Well, we have incidents in our lives video.

2161
01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:13,289
Problems it's always had. Yeah. We have incidents

2162
01:14:13,289 --> 01:14:14,890
on that we have on video, and we

2163
01:14:14,890 --> 01:14:17,405
still don't know exactly what happened. Right. I'm

2164
01:14:17,405 --> 01:14:19,225
I'm I find some of those video,

2165
01:14:20,244 --> 01:14:21,704
incidents much more compelling

2166
01:14:22,244 --> 01:14:24,164
to me than what we know so far

2167
01:14:24,164 --> 01:14:26,725
about the airmen. Right. I don't think the

2168
01:14:26,725 --> 01:14:28,585
the fact that someone did die

2169
01:14:28,900 --> 01:14:32,039
for me doesn't change Correct. The the curiosity

2170
01:14:32,260 --> 01:14:34,420
and the question about what is actually happening,

2171
01:14:34,420 --> 01:14:36,500
what actually happened. So the ones that I've

2172
01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:39,000
seen on video where the gun being jostled

2173
01:14:39,539 --> 01:14:42,100
or just holstering it causes it to go

2174
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:44,244
off, I still some most of those videos

2175
01:14:44,244 --> 01:14:45,804
aren't detailed enough for me to know whether

2176
01:14:45,804 --> 01:14:47,804
or not something was manipulating the trigger Mhmm.

2177
01:14:47,925 --> 01:14:49,524
Or if the trigger was dirty or belly

2178
01:14:49,524 --> 01:14:51,524
button lint or whatever, like, it was already

2179
01:14:51,524 --> 01:14:53,125
gummed up and it was pushed back, or

2180
01:14:53,125 --> 01:14:54,725
if it they said they had modified the

2181
01:14:54,725 --> 01:14:56,725
internals. I don't know anything about most of

2182
01:14:56,725 --> 01:14:57,385
those videos,

2183
01:14:57,789 --> 01:15:00,109
but they are more compelling to me than

2184
01:15:00,109 --> 01:15:00,770
the anecdotal

2185
01:15:01,389 --> 01:15:03,489
information we have so far about

2186
01:15:03,949 --> 01:15:06,369
what happened in at the airbase in Wyoming.

2187
01:15:06,829 --> 01:15:07,729
Yeah. Yeah.

2188
01:15:09,149 --> 01:15:11,409
From, Or Montana was it Montana or Wyoming?

2189
01:15:13,904 --> 01:15:15,864
I think it was Wyoming. I don't know.

2190
01:15:15,864 --> 01:15:17,664
I think it was too yeah. The Wyoming

2191
01:15:17,664 --> 01:15:19,185
gun guy and them. Lots of Wyoming with

2192
01:15:19,185 --> 01:15:20,944
the Yeah. I wanna go back to something

2193
01:15:20,944 --> 01:15:22,864
you said about how, thank god, we haven't

2194
01:15:22,864 --> 01:15:25,425
found out because, you know, in the real

2195
01:15:25,425 --> 01:15:27,104
world, we don't have to use our guns

2196
01:15:27,104 --> 01:15:28,229
as much as we,

2197
01:15:29,670 --> 01:15:31,670
as much as maybe maybe in the past

2198
01:15:31,670 --> 01:15:33,750
or, you know, there it's a relatively low

2199
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:35,750
number of of incidents where we actually have

2200
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:37,270
to use the gun. And this is a

2201
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:39,029
good thing from a safety point of view,

2202
01:15:39,029 --> 01:15:40,149
and this is a good thing from a

2203
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:42,265
civil society point of view. But from a

2204
01:15:42,265 --> 01:15:44,744
refinement of the tool and the weapon, it's

2205
01:15:44,744 --> 01:15:45,484
an unfortunate

2206
01:15:45,944 --> 01:15:48,265
situation because I think that that's where you

2207
01:15:48,265 --> 01:15:50,265
find out what is truly efficient is when

2208
01:15:50,265 --> 01:15:52,984
you when you have lots of experience with

2209
01:15:52,984 --> 01:15:54,204
that tool in context.

2210
01:15:55,704 --> 01:15:56,204
And

2211
01:15:57,260 --> 01:15:59,199
beyond that, a lot of this is theoretical,

2212
01:15:59,659 --> 01:16:01,579
and it's it's hard to have those theoretical

2213
01:16:01,579 --> 01:16:02,079
arguments

2214
01:16:02,619 --> 01:16:03,119
when

2215
01:16:03,659 --> 01:16:04,159
when

2216
01:16:04,940 --> 01:16:08,140
you don't have the concrete experience that teaches

2217
01:16:08,140 --> 01:16:10,185
us. You know, like, you look at war

2218
01:16:10,185 --> 01:16:12,925
and how war develops weapon systems. You know,

2219
01:16:12,984 --> 01:16:16,284
effective weapon systems get developed during conflict.

2220
01:16:16,824 --> 01:16:19,405
When we develop weapon systems outside of conflict,

2221
01:16:19,465 --> 01:16:21,064
we we apply them and we're like, oh,

2222
01:16:21,064 --> 01:16:22,744
well, it doesn't work or it doesn't work

2223
01:16:22,744 --> 01:16:23,422
like we thought it would or it would

2224
01:16:23,422 --> 01:16:23,497
only work with this modification. That's why you

2225
01:16:23,497 --> 01:16:24,364
see tanks driving around with, with

2226
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,320
you see tanks driving around with,

2227
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,840
with, you know, after aftermarket cages built around

2228
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,760
them because nobody even thought about a drone

2229
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,380
falling in from from above.

2230
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:37,940
So it's a limitation

2231
01:16:38,835 --> 01:16:41,315
of the the market, you know, when Edgar

2232
01:16:41,315 --> 01:16:42,835
says that people don't really know what they

2233
01:16:42,835 --> 01:16:45,655
want is because we really don't know. Like,

2234
01:16:45,715 --> 01:16:47,875
we have theory. We have principles and concepts.

2235
01:16:47,875 --> 01:16:49,074
We don't know. We don't know what we

2236
01:16:49,074 --> 01:16:50,454
need. I think

2237
01:16:51,310 --> 01:16:53,489
your your point about the the the military

2238
01:16:53,949 --> 01:16:56,909
evolving weapon systems and strategies and tactics. Right?

2239
01:16:56,909 --> 01:16:58,350
A lot of times we say we're fighting

2240
01:16:58,350 --> 01:17:00,670
the last war. Right? Right. Because our our

2241
01:17:00,670 --> 01:17:02,989
tactics and and weapons and equipment and and

2242
01:17:02,989 --> 01:17:03,489
doctrine

2243
01:17:03,789 --> 01:17:05,250
strategy, everything's developed

2244
01:17:06,064 --> 01:17:07,664
to a razor's edge in the in a

2245
01:17:07,664 --> 01:17:09,185
twenty year global war on terror in The

2246
01:17:09,185 --> 01:17:11,284
Middle East. But if we deploy to,

2247
01:17:12,225 --> 01:17:14,324
the Pacific Rim, we deploy to,

2248
01:17:14,784 --> 01:17:15,364
you know,

2249
01:17:15,744 --> 01:17:17,824
Taiwan, it may be completely different, right, in

2250
01:17:17,824 --> 01:17:19,824
that environment. And and the warfare may be

2251
01:17:19,824 --> 01:17:21,090
completely different. If we say if we were

2252
01:17:21,090 --> 01:17:23,050
to send troops to Ukraine right now, it'd

2253
01:17:23,050 --> 01:17:25,609
be radically different, right, than what we experienced

2254
01:17:25,609 --> 01:17:27,369
in in The Middle East. So we would

2255
01:17:27,369 --> 01:17:28,889
see evolution, and we're starting to see that

2256
01:17:28,889 --> 01:17:31,369
evolution because of just observing what's been going

2257
01:17:31,369 --> 01:17:33,369
on in the war. Right? So in in

2258
01:17:33,369 --> 01:17:34,729
Ukraine. But I think that,

2259
01:17:35,775 --> 01:17:37,375
the best analogy we can go back to

2260
01:17:37,375 --> 01:17:40,175
is that driving. Right? People just drive, and

2261
01:17:40,175 --> 01:17:41,775
they drive in the background while they're while

2262
01:17:41,775 --> 01:17:43,055
they're listening to the radio, while they're talking

2263
01:17:43,055 --> 01:17:44,494
to their friends, or looking for the street

2264
01:17:44,494 --> 01:17:46,735
sign, they're following the navigator. The driving is

2265
01:17:46,735 --> 01:17:48,114
just happening in the background

2266
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,640
because we have to apply our driving skills.

2267
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,720
And the car choices and the truck choices

2268
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,899
that most people make for their primary vehicles

2269
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,000
are relatively very practical. Now you could spend

2270
01:17:59,000 --> 01:17:59,880
$90,000

2271
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:01,720
on a pickup truck or $19,000

2272
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,685
on a pickup truck, but if you're buying

2273
01:18:03,685 --> 01:18:06,244
a pickup truck, there's probably a reason. Right?

2274
01:18:06,244 --> 01:18:08,085
You're not you're probably not buying a pickup

2275
01:18:08,085 --> 01:18:10,885
truck if you want to drive really fast

2276
01:18:10,885 --> 01:18:12,885
around the curves. Like, that's not why you

2277
01:18:12,885 --> 01:18:14,564
bought pickup truck. If you buy an you

2278
01:18:14,564 --> 01:18:16,164
might buy a Miata, you might buy a

2279
01:18:16,164 --> 01:18:17,385
a g r 86,

2280
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,640
but you're buying one of those because you

2281
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,159
want to be able to drive really fast

2282
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:24,119
around the curves without any horsepower whatsoever. Right?

2283
01:18:24,119 --> 01:18:26,039
Like, you're making that decision. But if you

2284
01:18:26,039 --> 01:18:27,719
buy a g r 86, you probably just

2285
01:18:27,719 --> 01:18:29,399
don't wanna drive because it's gonna be at

2286
01:18:29,399 --> 01:18:31,454
the mechanic all the time. Those

2287
01:18:31,835 --> 01:18:34,314
are stop. Don't don't hate on the the

2288
01:18:34,314 --> 01:18:36,975
FRS86GR

2289
01:18:37,435 --> 01:18:40,255
all Scion whatever all those things are. The

2290
01:18:41,034 --> 01:18:43,774
they they're like, you know, contemporary Miatas.

2291
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:44,939
Contemporary.

2292
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:47,260
Which is a compliment.

2293
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,039
It is a compliment. Way. Don't give me

2294
01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:51,180
any Miata hate.

2295
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,479
I roll one myself. I would drive a

2296
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:53,979
Miata.

2297
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,199
I I would I would take a Miata

2298
01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:57,420
before the '86.

2299
01:18:58,534 --> 01:19:00,695
Now you would. Thin thin Edgar would. Big

2300
01:19:00,695 --> 01:19:02,695
Edgar would. Thin Edgar. Fat Edgar. That wrong.

2301
01:19:02,695 --> 01:19:03,515
Right? Yeah.

2302
01:19:04,935 --> 01:19:06,295
Big Edgar would not have been able to

2303
01:19:06,295 --> 01:19:08,635
get in. Yeah. Coulda get in.

2304
01:19:09,175 --> 01:19:10,314
That's fucked up.

2305
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:13,829
But I think I think kinda to that

2306
01:19:13,829 --> 01:19:15,949
point, just to add on to that, but

2307
01:19:15,949 --> 01:19:17,989
one of the context where where a lot

2308
01:19:17,989 --> 01:19:20,229
of people do put their guns through the

2309
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:20,729
paces

2310
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:22,489
is competition.

2311
01:19:22,869 --> 01:19:25,284
Yeah. Where they they they think like, well,

2312
01:19:25,284 --> 01:19:27,045
I'm going to use my gun. I'm going

2313
01:19:27,045 --> 01:19:28,965
to shoot targets that are supposed to mimic

2314
01:19:28,965 --> 01:19:30,484
people. I'm gonna shoot a lot of targets.

2315
01:19:30,484 --> 01:19:31,764
I'm gonna shoot them as fast as I

2316
01:19:31,764 --> 01:19:33,604
can. That sounds like what I would do

2317
01:19:33,604 --> 01:19:35,064
in a self defense situation.

2318
01:19:35,524 --> 01:19:36,904
So then the context

2319
01:19:37,444 --> 01:19:39,304
shifts to, well,

2320
01:19:39,690 --> 01:19:41,130
this is where I need to be the

2321
01:19:41,130 --> 01:19:41,869
most efficient.

2322
01:19:42,570 --> 01:19:44,729
And, of course, again, it goes back to

2323
01:19:44,729 --> 01:19:46,829
traction is traction, but it's not traction.

2324
01:19:47,210 --> 01:19:49,449
And so that becomes like the crucible. The

2325
01:19:49,449 --> 01:19:52,110
competition becomes the crucible to prove

2326
01:19:52,650 --> 01:19:55,734
the defensive firearm when it's not really the

2327
01:19:55,734 --> 01:19:58,074
crucible. It just looks kinda like the crucible.

2328
01:19:59,175 --> 01:20:01,654
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's not understanding that

2329
01:20:01,654 --> 01:20:03,814
is you're using the wrong metrics. Right? And,

2330
01:20:04,215 --> 01:20:06,295
that's really all unfortunately, people say, well, that's

2331
01:20:06,295 --> 01:20:08,154
all we have. Well, in an unguided,

2332
01:20:08,534 --> 01:20:11,239
un supervised situation, it is much harder. You

2333
01:20:11,239 --> 01:20:13,500
don't have the scenario training. The information processing

2334
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,640
to me is infinitely more important than the

2335
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,319
difference between five shots per second and six

2336
01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:19,399
shots per second. Mhmm. But it it's hard

2337
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:21,479
and cumbersome, and it's not as much fun,

2338
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,979
and it's very much more subjective to to

2339
01:20:24,119 --> 01:20:28,045
try to mimic the necessity for information processing

2340
01:20:28,104 --> 01:20:29,625
while you're doing all this stuff with the

2341
01:20:29,625 --> 01:20:31,465
gun out on the range or to go

2342
01:20:31,465 --> 01:20:33,625
to a simulator or get involved in really

2343
01:20:33,625 --> 01:20:36,104
well run force on force training, and get

2344
01:20:36,104 --> 01:20:38,985
into scenarios. That's all infinitely more cumbersome than

2345
01:20:38,985 --> 01:20:40,590
just pulling out a timer and shooting a

2346
01:20:40,590 --> 01:20:43,310
quote, unquote standards drill or a qualification drill

2347
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:45,710
or or go into a competition. So that's

2348
01:20:45,710 --> 01:20:48,029
how most people test their skills, but they're

2349
01:20:48,029 --> 01:20:50,670
they're testing objective performance in a controlled

2350
01:20:54,429 --> 01:20:54,929
Uh-oh.

2351
01:20:56,795 --> 01:20:58,654
Of in the fight where they need subjectively

2352
01:20:58,875 --> 01:21:01,114
to just win Mhmm. To deter the bad

2353
01:21:01,114 --> 01:21:02,954
guy or stop the bad guy from being

2354
01:21:02,954 --> 01:21:04,875
able to hurt them. So a psychological or

2355
01:21:04,875 --> 01:21:07,675
physical stop is equal in in the real

2356
01:21:07,675 --> 01:21:09,859
world. Right? And I'm not saying it's okay

2357
01:21:09,859 --> 01:21:12,020
to miss. I'm not saying fire warning shots.

2358
01:21:12,020 --> 01:21:13,619
Right? I'm not saying go with the Biden

2359
01:21:13,619 --> 01:21:16,180
tactics. What I'm saying is that's the reality

2360
01:21:16,180 --> 01:21:18,340
of the situation. Is that is that two,

2361
01:21:18,340 --> 01:21:20,340
three, or four shots in the chest, if

2362
01:21:20,340 --> 01:21:22,020
the bad guy drops a knife and runs

2363
01:21:22,020 --> 01:21:24,256
away, I guess it really didn't matter if

2364
01:21:24,256 --> 01:21:26,178
I hit him twice, three times, or four

2365
01:21:26,178 --> 01:21:28,341
times. And if it the first shot at

2366
01:21:28,341 --> 01:21:30,262
him is what made him drop the knife

2367
01:21:30,262 --> 01:21:32,184
and turn and run away, then it didn't

2368
01:21:32,184 --> 01:21:34,106
matter if I was carrying 18 rounds or

2369
01:21:34,106 --> 01:21:36,028
three. Right? And and that's the harsh reality

2370
01:21:36,028 --> 01:21:37,949
of it. And people don't wanna hear that,

2371
01:21:38,030 --> 01:21:40,690
especially when you start twisting your your tactics

2372
01:21:41,229 --> 01:21:43,070
based on your politics, you know, at least

2373
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:45,390
your claimed tactics, your claimed strategy. When people

2374
01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:47,070
are saying, well, if you're gonna say that,

2375
01:21:47,070 --> 01:21:48,750
then I guess you're in favor of magazine

2376
01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:51,070
restrictions bans, or people are gonna quote Rob

2377
01:21:51,070 --> 01:21:53,545
Pincus, the personal defense network guy, as saying

2378
01:21:53,545 --> 01:21:54,284
you don't really

2379
01:21:54,984 --> 01:21:56,904
need more than 10 rounds anyway. You know?

2380
01:21:56,904 --> 01:21:58,585
And I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed

2381
01:21:58,585 --> 01:22:00,265
to carry. I'm not saying you shouldn't have

2382
01:22:00,265 --> 01:22:02,765
a spare magazine. I'm just saying you're not

2383
01:22:02,824 --> 01:22:04,765
under gunned if you're only carrying

2384
01:22:05,145 --> 01:22:06,984
eight plus one, if you're only carrying a

2385
01:22:06,984 --> 01:22:08,840
revolver, if you're only carrying 10 plus one,

2386
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,239
if you're only carrying 15 plus one. Should

2387
01:22:11,239 --> 01:22:12,680
you have a spare mag? Sure. There's a

2388
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,119
whole bunch of reasons you'd have a spare

2389
01:22:14,119 --> 01:22:16,760
mag, but you're probably gonna need to shoot

2390
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,939
30 rounds is not the reason.

2391
01:22:20,039 --> 01:22:20,539
Yeah.

2392
01:22:21,664 --> 01:22:23,425
I I I do wanna kinda go back

2393
01:22:23,425 --> 01:22:24,945
a little bit because you were pretty passionate

2394
01:22:24,945 --> 01:22:27,985
before we we jumped on about the and

2395
01:22:27,985 --> 01:22:29,345
I wanna make sure we have a good

2396
01:22:29,345 --> 01:22:31,185
conversation about it unless you feel like we've

2397
01:22:31,185 --> 01:22:33,364
had a good enough conversation about

2398
01:22:34,065 --> 01:22:35,265
this idea of,

2399
01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:39,470
designs not being made in The US anymore.

2400
01:22:39,689 --> 01:22:40,909
This idea of

2401
01:22:41,609 --> 01:22:44,409
most of everything we get is is either

2402
01:22:44,409 --> 01:22:45,710
old here in The US

2403
01:22:46,170 --> 01:22:47,789
or it's European based.

2404
01:22:48,255 --> 01:22:49,774
I don't you know, it's become I I

2405
01:22:49,774 --> 01:22:51,454
think I'm a little more sensitive to it

2406
01:22:51,454 --> 01:22:53,454
just because there's so many people, you know,

2407
01:22:53,454 --> 01:22:55,454
flag waving and and let's,

2408
01:22:56,574 --> 01:22:59,295
support American companies and America first and all

2409
01:22:59,295 --> 01:23:01,215
that in our community. Right? People are are

2410
01:23:01,215 --> 01:23:03,920
living that that lifestyle on their Instagram,

2411
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:05,119
and yet,

2412
01:23:06,460 --> 01:23:08,460
there really isn't a lot of innovation. And

2413
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:10,380
and I can tell you firsthand, there isn't

2414
01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:12,220
a lot of like, I I I've had

2415
01:23:12,220 --> 01:23:13,760
exactly zero people,

2416
01:23:14,715 --> 01:23:16,795
far as I know, buy a PD 10

2417
01:23:16,795 --> 01:23:19,354
because it's an American made gun designed by

2418
01:23:19,354 --> 01:23:22,234
Americans with an American owned company. Right? And

2419
01:23:22,234 --> 01:23:24,715
you would think in today's market, in in

2420
01:23:24,715 --> 01:23:27,375
the the politics of today that everybody's Instagram

2421
01:23:27,594 --> 01:23:28,094
presence,

2422
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:29,800
you would think there would be at least

2423
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,159
some level of pushback to why support a

2424
01:23:33,159 --> 01:23:36,359
European company that has a office in The

2425
01:23:36,359 --> 01:23:38,520
US that is incorporated in The US to

2426
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,359
because of import laws and and a whole

2427
01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:42,135
bunch of other things. I'm not I don't

2428
01:23:42,135 --> 01:23:43,814
think the import laws are a good idea.

2429
01:23:43,814 --> 01:23:45,574
Like, I would just assume buy a Glock

2430
01:23:45,574 --> 01:23:47,494
from Austria. I would just assume buy a

2431
01:23:47,494 --> 01:23:49,734
Sig from Germany. I would just assume, you

2432
01:23:49,734 --> 01:23:50,454
know, buy,

2433
01:23:50,774 --> 01:23:52,854
an FN from Belgium. I don't I don't

2434
01:23:52,854 --> 01:23:53,354
need

2435
01:23:53,899 --> 01:23:56,000
for those guns to be made in America

2436
01:23:56,060 --> 01:23:57,579
if I'm buying those guns. And the fact

2437
01:23:57,579 --> 01:24:00,460
that the bureaucracy has required those companies to

2438
01:24:00,460 --> 01:24:03,260
set up offices and shops here, I'm glad

2439
01:24:03,260 --> 01:24:05,520
Americans are being employed. But, again,

2440
01:24:05,864 --> 01:24:06,744
at the end of the day, if the

2441
01:24:06,744 --> 01:24:08,445
gun could be made at the same price

2442
01:24:08,505 --> 01:24:10,284
somewhere else and it was the same gun,

2443
01:24:10,585 --> 01:24:12,364
I'm not the guy who

2444
01:24:12,744 --> 01:24:14,664
won't buy the foreign thing. Right? I'm I'm

2445
01:24:14,664 --> 01:24:16,185
talking to you on a computer that's got

2446
01:24:16,185 --> 01:24:17,704
some Asian parts in it. I drive, you

2447
01:24:17,704 --> 01:24:19,704
know, the BMW or the Toyota. We talked

2448
01:24:19,704 --> 01:24:21,805
we talked about that, the Ducati. Right?

2449
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,399
So I'm not that guy. But there's so

2450
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:25,060
many people

2451
01:24:25,599 --> 01:24:27,139
claiming to be that guy

2452
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,359
who I know full well have plenty of

2453
01:24:29,359 --> 01:24:31,359
stuff they're buying off Amazon from China and

2454
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:33,359
everything else. Correct. But they're also carrying the

2455
01:24:33,359 --> 01:24:33,859
Glock.

2456
01:24:34,204 --> 01:24:36,284
They're also carrying the SIG. They're also, you

2457
01:24:36,284 --> 01:24:37,744
know, celebrating the

2458
01:24:38,284 --> 01:24:40,444
the Baghera or the Beretta, you know, whatever

2459
01:24:40,444 --> 01:24:42,364
it is they have as of and some

2460
01:24:42,364 --> 01:24:44,045
of them are the Walther, and they say,

2461
01:24:44,045 --> 01:24:45,564
well, Walther's made you used to live in

2462
01:24:45,564 --> 01:24:47,564
Gallatin, Tennessee. You probably know people or the

2463
01:24:47,564 --> 01:24:49,724
kids of people, anyway, that that you knew

2464
01:24:49,724 --> 01:24:51,750
are working in that factory and they're employing

2465
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:53,829
Americans, and that's great. But if the only

2466
01:24:53,829 --> 01:24:55,909
reason they're employing Americans is because what is

2467
01:24:55,909 --> 01:24:57,189
it, September,

2468
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:58,250
the import laws,

2469
01:24:58,710 --> 01:25:00,229
if that's the only reason they're doing it.

2470
01:25:00,229 --> 01:25:02,070
If they're doing it because labor's cheaper, believe

2471
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:03,430
it or not, in The US than it

2472
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:05,555
might be in Europe. Right? If that's the

2473
01:25:05,555 --> 01:25:07,635
reason they're doing it, well, then I don't

2474
01:25:07,635 --> 01:25:09,314
know that I'm all excited about that. And

2475
01:25:09,314 --> 01:25:10,354
it is still at the end of the

2476
01:25:10,354 --> 01:25:12,774
day a company that is filtering money towards.

2477
01:25:12,914 --> 01:25:14,835
Right? They're made in Georgia, but they're filtering

2478
01:25:14,835 --> 01:25:17,840
money back to Brazil. It's not like Daniel

2479
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:19,760
Defense made in Georgia where the money stays

2480
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,020
in America and it's owned by Americans. So,

2481
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:23,699
I I don't

2482
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,159
I don't I'm not I'm not waving the

2483
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:27,840
flag and saying I don't own all these

2484
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,859
guns. Right? I obviously, I do.

2485
01:25:30,404 --> 01:25:32,085
I'm sort of pointing a finger at the

2486
01:25:32,085 --> 01:25:34,404
people who are pretending this is really important

2487
01:25:34,404 --> 01:25:36,984
to them, who are gun owners, who aren't

2488
01:25:37,444 --> 01:25:39,385
going out of their way to support American

2489
01:25:39,524 --> 01:25:42,244
gun design and manufacturing because what it leads

2490
01:25:42,244 --> 01:25:44,500
to is the fact that the vast majority

2491
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,340
of American handguns that are out

2492
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,619
there are nineteen elevens or updated nineteen elevens

2493
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,960
ARs or revolvers. Right? Yeah. You don't see

2494
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:53,780
very many

2495
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:54,820
actual

2496
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:55,760
new

2497
01:25:56,314 --> 01:25:57,435
and I'm not even gonna say, like, the

2498
01:25:57,435 --> 01:25:58,795
p d 10 is a new design. I

2499
01:25:58,795 --> 01:26:00,554
don't think it's very innovative in this. It's

2500
01:26:00,554 --> 01:26:03,034
not like got some different mechanics going on

2501
01:26:03,034 --> 01:26:05,295
on the inside that aren't very common mechanics.

2502
01:26:05,914 --> 01:26:08,554
It's the slimness is very unique combined with

2503
01:26:08,554 --> 01:26:10,154
the profile and the bore axis and the

2504
01:26:10,154 --> 01:26:11,935
trigger and all that. It's a unique

2505
01:26:12,689 --> 01:26:15,890
conglomeration of established engineering and design Yeah. Principles

2506
01:26:15,890 --> 01:26:17,649
into a handgun. But what's important to me

2507
01:26:17,649 --> 01:26:19,890
is that people do realize it's there's no

2508
01:26:19,890 --> 01:26:21,649
MIM parts, you know. It's all made almost

2509
01:26:21,649 --> 01:26:23,489
all made here in this building. We get

2510
01:26:23,489 --> 01:26:25,170
some springs brought in, things like that. We

2511
01:26:25,170 --> 01:26:27,189
don't do the injection molding on the polymer,

2512
01:26:27,685 --> 01:26:29,525
but it is American made. It is American

2513
01:26:29,525 --> 01:26:31,445
design. It is American owned, and I think

2514
01:26:31,445 --> 01:26:33,685
that should mean more to a lot of

2515
01:26:33,685 --> 01:26:35,364
the people that are using the flag for

2516
01:26:35,364 --> 01:26:38,564
politics nowadays. Your mag release is pretty innovative.

2517
01:26:38,564 --> 01:26:40,324
And now it doesn't come standard on the

2518
01:26:40,324 --> 01:26:42,300
the gun, but, you do have a mag

2519
01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:43,899
release that that I like, and I haven't

2520
01:26:43,899 --> 01:26:45,119
bought it because I'm poor.

2521
01:26:47,260 --> 01:26:48,479
You you know a guy.

2522
01:26:48,780 --> 01:26:50,699
You get a discount. Well Yeah. I mean,

2523
01:26:50,699 --> 01:26:52,539
it's a lot of small sites. It's got

2524
01:26:52,539 --> 01:26:54,159
the it's got the forward pressure,

2525
01:26:54,619 --> 01:26:56,805
mag release for for people with shorter digits.

2526
01:26:56,805 --> 01:26:58,405
Like, there's some things on there that are

2527
01:26:58,405 --> 01:27:00,324
different that are designs I brought to the

2528
01:27:00,324 --> 01:27:00,805
market,

2529
01:27:01,685 --> 01:27:03,125
you know, with the with the claw sites

2530
01:27:03,125 --> 01:27:05,045
from AmeriGlove, and that's fifteen years ago we

2531
01:27:05,045 --> 01:27:05,784
did those.

2532
01:27:06,324 --> 01:27:08,805
The the modification to be able to make,

2533
01:27:09,045 --> 01:27:09,545
certain

2534
01:27:10,189 --> 01:27:12,590
mag releases forward press instead of having to

2535
01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:14,130
turn the gun and press in,

2536
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:16,750
for shorter digited people. That's a modification. I've

2537
01:27:16,750 --> 01:27:19,149
been doing, like, the Glock extended mags for

2538
01:27:19,149 --> 01:27:21,409
at least fifteen years as well. So,

2539
01:27:21,789 --> 01:27:23,949
the internal funneling on the mag well of

2540
01:27:23,949 --> 01:27:25,604
the the ASR. Right?

2541
01:27:26,805 --> 01:27:29,284
That's something that that somewhere around here, I've

2542
01:27:29,284 --> 01:27:30,645
got some of the the old guns that

2543
01:27:30,645 --> 01:27:31,465
I just dremeled,

2544
01:27:32,324 --> 01:27:34,244
that channel to open that channel up. I

2545
01:27:34,244 --> 01:27:36,425
can't believe no one no no other manufacturers

2546
01:27:36,564 --> 01:27:38,185
ever done internal funneling

2547
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,359
to, make it that a little bit more

2548
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:41,960
forgiving for the the rib on the back

2549
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:43,399
of the magazine as you're going into the

2550
01:27:43,399 --> 01:27:44,140
mag well.

2551
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:46,680
No but nobody's ever done that before. So

2552
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,119
so there are some things that I brought

2553
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:50,119
to the market or at least I'm hoping

2554
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:51,479
to bring to more of the market through

2555
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,880
Avidity Arms that are that are interesting and

2556
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,074
unique, But

2557
01:27:55,454 --> 01:27:57,235
I I hate to use the word innovative

2558
01:27:57,454 --> 01:27:59,614
in the sense of, you know, like the

2559
01:27:59,614 --> 01:28:00,435
the alien,

2560
01:28:00,975 --> 01:28:02,975
gun I mentioned earlier from Czech Republic. Like,

2561
01:28:02,975 --> 01:28:04,895
the way it takes the gas system, which

2562
01:28:04,895 --> 01:28:06,175
some people would say, well, it's just the

2563
01:28:06,175 --> 01:28:08,814
gas system from the HK p seven, kind

2564
01:28:08,814 --> 01:28:10,819
of, but the way they've locked it on

2565
01:28:10,819 --> 01:28:12,260
its side and got a really low bore

2566
01:28:12,260 --> 01:28:14,420
axis, like, that is to me an innovative

2567
01:28:14,420 --> 01:28:16,819
gun. The the recoil system in the,

2568
01:28:17,619 --> 01:28:18,279
the PSD,

2569
01:28:18,819 --> 01:28:20,920
right right up here. The way that that

2570
01:28:21,380 --> 01:28:23,239
system works inside the PSD,

2571
01:28:23,725 --> 01:28:26,284
which is which is patented by them, that

2572
01:28:26,284 --> 01:28:29,645
reciprocating mass that moves with the slide that

2573
01:28:29,645 --> 01:28:31,324
is equal to weight with the slide that

2574
01:28:31,324 --> 01:28:33,564
gets the mass coming that that you're talking

2575
01:28:33,564 --> 01:28:34,284
about the the,

2576
01:28:35,005 --> 01:28:35,744
the scientific

2577
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:37,770
issue of angles and and

2578
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:40,789
momentum. That incident is coming straight back because

2579
01:28:40,789 --> 01:28:42,630
the weight here is equal to the weight

2580
01:28:42,630 --> 01:28:44,310
there and it's balancing out. So there isn't

2581
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:46,550
an upward twist despite the fact that this

2582
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:48,229
is a very powerful round coming out of

2583
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:50,094
this gun. And that's the reason that the

2584
01:28:50,094 --> 01:28:53,054
the h nine from Daniel Defense doesn't use

2585
01:28:53,054 --> 01:28:55,534
the system that the Hudson originally used because

2586
01:28:55,534 --> 01:28:57,935
Hudson was in violation of this patent. So

2587
01:28:57,935 --> 01:29:00,895
this is innovative. Right? The PD 10, I

2588
01:29:00,895 --> 01:29:02,835
just think is really well put together

2589
01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:03,800
version

2590
01:29:04,140 --> 01:29:04,640
of

2591
01:29:04,979 --> 01:29:08,180
some pretty standard engineering and design practices for

2592
01:29:08,180 --> 01:29:10,199
for striker fired firearms. Yeah.

2593
01:29:12,020 --> 01:29:13,239
That's a lot of information.

2594
01:29:15,140 --> 01:29:16,119
That that was

2595
01:29:16,739 --> 01:29:18,180
for that for me Play that back at

2596
01:29:18,180 --> 01:29:18,795
half speed.

2597
01:29:20,074 --> 01:29:22,255
I've had I'm drinking monsters. It's 09:00.

2598
01:29:22,795 --> 01:29:24,635
No. No. This is for me, this is

2599
01:29:24,635 --> 01:29:27,114
this is incredible. I and and and I

2600
01:29:27,114 --> 01:29:29,194
think this is, like, a conversations that I

2601
01:29:29,194 --> 01:29:29,694
I

2602
01:29:29,994 --> 01:29:31,675
I wish we would have more. But they're

2603
01:29:31,675 --> 01:29:33,789
nerdy. Right? They're they're to to your point.

2604
01:29:33,789 --> 01:29:35,069
Right? Like, I mean, I could keep going.

2605
01:29:35,069 --> 01:29:37,069
Right? Like, the Desert Eagle has some innovation

2606
01:29:37,069 --> 01:29:39,229
in it for gas. The way that, inertia

2607
01:29:39,310 --> 01:29:41,149
the the way the buffer works in that

2608
01:29:41,149 --> 01:29:43,949
300 Win Mag AR design from NEEMO, the

2609
01:29:43,949 --> 01:29:45,949
Omen. Right? I could pull that bolt carrier

2610
01:29:45,949 --> 01:29:47,954
out and people could see the the plunger

2611
01:29:47,954 --> 01:29:49,314
at the back of the bolt carrier group.

2612
01:29:49,314 --> 01:29:51,395
So you've got the normal spring, you've got

2613
01:29:51,395 --> 01:29:53,475
another piece in there that's absorbing some recoil,

2614
01:29:53,475 --> 01:29:54,514
and then you got a plunger in the

2615
01:29:54,514 --> 01:29:56,274
back of that bolt carrier group. That's innovative,

2616
01:29:56,274 --> 01:29:58,914
you know? Yeah. There's again, the more people

2617
01:29:58,914 --> 01:30:02,400
understand what's actually happening inside the guns, and

2618
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,320
you've said this, and I think you've almost

2619
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:05,920
convinced me it's more important than I would

2620
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:06,579
have thought.

2621
01:30:07,039 --> 01:30:09,119
The more people understand what's going on inside

2622
01:30:09,119 --> 01:30:11,199
the guns, they more they can make the

2623
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:12,960
right decision. I think it's obvious they can

2624
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,119
make a more educated decision, but understanding the

2625
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:16,260
physics and the engineering

2626
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:18,020
might actually help people

2627
01:30:18,375 --> 01:30:20,715
make the right decision for their application,

2628
01:30:21,335 --> 01:30:23,335
not just pick the thing that's that's trending

2629
01:30:23,335 --> 01:30:25,894
with the influencers on YouTube. Yeah. And that's

2630
01:30:25,894 --> 01:30:28,054
that's the the biggest problem is they just

2631
01:30:28,054 --> 01:30:29,755
they just hear the influencers,

2632
01:30:30,770 --> 01:30:32,689
and they're like, well, that dude's got 2,000,000

2633
01:30:32,689 --> 01:30:34,310
followers, so it must be true.

2634
01:30:34,930 --> 01:30:36,869
They have 2,000,000 followers somehow,

2635
01:30:37,329 --> 01:30:38,850
and then they don't understand. And then they

2636
01:30:38,850 --> 01:30:40,289
end up with shitty guns because we see

2637
01:30:40,289 --> 01:30:42,069
them in classes with the shitty guns.

2638
01:30:42,529 --> 01:30:44,149
We see them in classes struggling

2639
01:30:45,045 --> 01:30:47,284
with with really subcompact firearms for a while

2640
01:30:47,284 --> 01:30:49,204
there, right, because they didn't understand the the

2641
01:30:49,204 --> 01:30:51,524
the kinesthetic alignment and full extension on the

2642
01:30:51,524 --> 01:30:54,404
arms and and how the recoil springs work

2643
01:30:54,404 --> 01:30:56,164
and and and all that stuff because they

2644
01:30:56,164 --> 01:30:58,885
get taught incorrectly. Go. Weight over the front

2645
01:30:58,885 --> 01:31:00,779
of the hand. I mean, Springfield discontinued

2646
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:02,699
the four inch

2647
01:31:03,399 --> 01:31:03,899
XDS,

2648
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,199
right, which is a really top heavy gun

2649
01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:08,520
with a high bore axis. But for a

2650
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,179
compact gun with a four inch heavy slide,

2651
01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:13,399
you you could shoot that tiny gun really

2652
01:31:13,399 --> 01:31:15,175
fast because that had so much weight out

2653
01:31:15,175 --> 01:31:17,015
in front of the hand. So, like, the

2654
01:31:17,015 --> 01:31:19,814
three sixty five, like, the little broomsticky grip,

2655
01:31:19,814 --> 01:31:21,494
right, with a very short barrel, that was

2656
01:31:21,494 --> 01:31:23,895
a very snappy gun. And then they started

2657
01:31:23,895 --> 01:31:25,735
doing the XLs and the macro and now

2658
01:31:25,735 --> 01:31:27,655
the fuse. Right? So they started extending it

2659
01:31:27,655 --> 01:31:30,199
the Glock. Again, the the the Glock 48,

2660
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,199
is a very well proportioned gun. Right? I

2661
01:31:32,199 --> 01:31:34,060
guess this is my carry gun before,

2662
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,680
the PD 10 was ready with the shield

2663
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:38,780
mag. So I was at 15 plus one.

2664
01:31:39,079 --> 01:31:40,920
This is a great proportioned gun. It's just

2665
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:42,444
thicker than it needs to be. Why is

2666
01:31:42,444 --> 01:31:43,965
it thicker than it needs to be? Well,

2667
01:31:43,965 --> 01:31:44,465
Glock,

2668
01:31:45,005 --> 01:31:47,085
you know, might not say it, but I

2669
01:31:47,085 --> 01:31:48,685
have to think this gun was brought to

2670
01:31:48,685 --> 01:31:51,005
market extensively to be used with the 40

2671
01:31:51,005 --> 01:31:52,765
Smith and Wesson as well. So when you

2672
01:31:52,765 --> 01:31:54,685
build a gun potentially for 40 Smith and

2673
01:31:54,685 --> 01:31:56,890
Wesson, it's gotta be wider than when you

2674
01:31:56,890 --> 01:31:58,329
build a gun just for nine millimeter, you

2675
01:31:58,329 --> 01:31:59,530
know, and that's how we get to be

2676
01:31:59,530 --> 01:32:02,090
about 11% thinner because we're only for nine

2677
01:32:02,090 --> 01:32:03,930
millimeter. We weren't worried about 40 Smith and

2678
01:32:03,930 --> 01:32:04,430
Wesson.

2679
01:32:04,730 --> 01:32:06,890
There's really no other justification for why this

2680
01:32:06,890 --> 01:32:08,730
gun would be as thick as it is.

2681
01:32:08,970 --> 01:32:11,470
And then obviously, you've got the polymer magazines

2682
01:32:11,610 --> 01:32:13,744
that are what require would end up

2683
01:32:14,125 --> 01:32:14,625
necessitating

2684
01:32:15,244 --> 01:32:17,664
the 10 round capacity versus the steel magazines,

2685
01:32:17,725 --> 01:32:19,804
the metal magazines that shield uses for the

2686
01:32:19,804 --> 01:32:20,465
same gun.

2687
01:32:21,404 --> 01:32:23,965
You've got some structures in here that also

2688
01:32:23,965 --> 01:32:25,725
raise the bore axis just because of the

2689
01:32:25,725 --> 01:32:27,539
way they do their triggers. I don't think

2690
01:32:27,539 --> 01:32:29,300
our trigger is less safe. Our trigger is

2691
01:32:29,300 --> 01:32:31,300
just buried down in the gun more because

2692
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:32,439
we don't have the substructure

2693
01:32:32,979 --> 01:32:34,579
inserts that are, like, holding the,

2694
01:32:35,780 --> 01:32:37,460
the different parts of the body. Doesn't have

2695
01:32:37,460 --> 01:32:38,979
the housing, right, in the the back of

2696
01:32:38,979 --> 01:32:41,140
the housing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So so there's

2697
01:32:41,140 --> 01:32:41,960
there's a,

2698
01:32:44,005 --> 01:32:46,085
there's explanations for all this stuff. And I

2699
01:32:46,085 --> 01:32:47,305
think a lot of people

2700
01:32:47,765 --> 01:32:50,085
don't understand, and maybe they don't care to

2701
01:32:50,085 --> 01:32:51,704
understand, and that's okay.

2702
01:32:52,324 --> 01:32:54,484
But just but when you don't care to

2703
01:32:54,484 --> 01:32:57,524
understand and you're kinda just okay with with

2704
01:32:57,524 --> 01:33:00,060
what feels good on the range when you're

2705
01:33:00,060 --> 01:33:01,820
shooting against the timer, when you're trying to

2706
01:33:01,820 --> 01:33:02,800
shoot tight groups,

2707
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:05,180
don't be surprised when you end up in

2708
01:33:05,180 --> 01:33:07,500
the wrong place according to somebody who is

2709
01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:10,399
studying what's going on inside Right. Is studying

2710
01:33:10,539 --> 01:33:12,539
the application of the skills and what's gonna

2711
01:33:12,539 --> 01:33:14,465
be needed and trying to guide you to

2712
01:33:14,465 --> 01:33:15,845
the right plate right conclusion.

2713
01:33:16,385 --> 01:33:18,465
If your conclusion is based on ignorance about

2714
01:33:18,465 --> 01:33:20,225
what's going on inside the guns or how

2715
01:33:20,225 --> 01:33:23,045
the design affects your ability to shoot and

2716
01:33:24,064 --> 01:33:24,564
your

2717
01:33:25,185 --> 01:33:27,744
metrics, your measurements are what's happening only on

2718
01:33:27,744 --> 01:33:29,779
the range, not what you might need to

2719
01:33:29,779 --> 01:33:31,300
do in the real world, well, yeah, we're

2720
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:33,300
gonna come to different conclusions. Yeah. You know?

2721
01:33:33,300 --> 01:33:35,699
And that's that's okay, except I'm pretty passionate

2722
01:33:35,699 --> 01:33:37,640
about the idea that people need to be

2723
01:33:38,500 --> 01:33:41,319
really prepared, not just believe they're prepared.

2724
01:33:41,755 --> 01:33:43,755
Yeah. And that's where the controversy comes in.

2725
01:33:43,755 --> 01:33:45,595
That's where the that's where the Rob always

2726
01:33:45,595 --> 01:33:47,435
thinks he's right. Rob always wants to challenge

2727
01:33:47,435 --> 01:33:48,954
every Rob wants to to he's an he's

2728
01:33:48,954 --> 01:33:50,795
an evangelist in the in the words of

2729
01:33:50,795 --> 01:33:51,534
Ken Hackethorn.

2730
01:33:52,635 --> 01:33:54,983
Yeah. I guess I am. Right? Like, well,

2731
01:33:54,983 --> 01:33:57,409
it it's it's because we're we're we're one,

2732
01:33:57,409 --> 01:33:59,570
we're doing the lord's work. So there's that,

2733
01:33:59,570 --> 01:34:00,070
obviously.

2734
01:34:00,530 --> 01:34:03,170
And then the other thing is yeah. Various

2735
01:34:03,170 --> 01:34:04,789
large, whatever the lord is.

2736
01:34:05,810 --> 01:34:07,510
And then the other thing is

2737
01:34:08,704 --> 01:34:11,904
humans might need to use what we're teaching

2738
01:34:11,904 --> 01:34:14,545
them, and and we cannot just go off

2739
01:34:14,545 --> 01:34:16,145
on a whim and just say, well, I

2740
01:34:16,145 --> 01:34:18,145
feel like it's the best thing because it's

2741
01:34:18,145 --> 01:34:18,645
trending,

2742
01:34:20,064 --> 01:34:23,069
and then teach what's trending. And that that's

2743
01:34:23,149 --> 01:34:25,630
that's hot garbage is if you're passionate about

2744
01:34:25,630 --> 01:34:27,949
what you believe in, you will study it

2745
01:34:27,949 --> 01:34:30,289
and you will understand. And, again, not everybody

2746
01:34:30,349 --> 01:34:32,670
needs to be at that level where they

2747
01:34:32,670 --> 01:34:34,909
need to understand every single aspect of the

2748
01:34:34,909 --> 01:34:36,965
gun. And, like, I'm still one of those

2749
01:34:36,965 --> 01:34:38,564
when people call it a clip. I'm like,

2750
01:34:38,564 --> 01:34:39,925
yeah. I know what the fuck you're talking

2751
01:34:39,925 --> 01:34:42,324
about. I mood. Let's move on. Move on.

2752
01:34:42,324 --> 01:34:43,685
Yeah. We know what you mean. Right. We

2753
01:34:43,685 --> 01:34:44,564
know what you mean. So

2754
01:34:45,364 --> 01:34:47,625
In the context of the of the goal

2755
01:34:47,845 --> 01:34:49,604
of self defense of or or of training

2756
01:34:49,604 --> 01:34:51,479
and preparation for self defense to be better.

2757
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:53,079
If there is a better way, why are

2758
01:34:53,079 --> 01:34:54,920
you not doing that better thing? If it

2759
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:56,920
fits within your budgets and your constraints, why

2760
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:58,680
are you not doing that better thing? So

2761
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:00,539
if we're talking about a half a centimeter

2762
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:01,579
of boraxes,

2763
01:35:02,279 --> 01:35:04,119
we say, well, this is better. It's like,

2764
01:35:04,119 --> 01:35:05,819
yes. Objectively, it is better.

2765
01:35:06,164 --> 01:35:08,404
If you bought the wrong gun with all

2766
01:35:08,404 --> 01:35:10,164
the pennies that you have and you can't

2767
01:35:10,164 --> 01:35:10,664
afford

2768
01:35:11,284 --> 01:35:13,524
to sell your gun and buy another one,

2769
01:35:13,524 --> 01:35:14,804
then you're just gonna have to work with

2770
01:35:14,804 --> 01:35:16,585
what you got. Yeah. But this one's better.

2771
01:35:16,724 --> 01:35:18,564
Like Right. Or if you're issued the gun

2772
01:35:18,804 --> 01:35:20,404
I think I you know, I do wanna

2773
01:35:20,404 --> 01:35:21,145
just just

2774
01:35:21,489 --> 01:35:23,250
I wanna throw out this caveat. I tried

2775
01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:24,609
to throw it out whenever we get down

2776
01:35:24,609 --> 01:35:25,109
this,

2777
01:35:25,409 --> 01:35:27,750
you know, our way is better for reasons

2778
01:35:27,970 --> 01:35:28,470
thing.

2779
01:35:28,850 --> 01:35:30,609
And and we kinda you you you mentioned,

2780
01:35:30,609 --> 01:35:33,489
like, the trendiness and the followingness or giving

2781
01:35:33,489 --> 01:35:35,635
the students what they want. Like, that's a

2782
01:35:35,635 --> 01:35:37,314
big part of it. I think there are

2783
01:35:38,354 --> 01:35:40,195
there's obviously a lot of instructors who don't

2784
01:35:40,195 --> 01:35:42,435
teach what Rob teaches or or, you know,

2785
01:35:42,435 --> 01:35:44,435
what we teach in our programs, don't subscribe

2786
01:35:44,435 --> 01:35:46,274
to it, don't believe in it, whatever. I

2787
01:35:46,274 --> 01:35:48,935
think there's a lot of different reasons why.

2788
01:35:49,460 --> 01:35:51,939
Right? And I don't wanna suggest that everybody

2789
01:35:51,939 --> 01:35:54,179
who's teaching something different or or has different

2790
01:35:54,179 --> 01:35:54,679
opinions

2791
01:35:55,380 --> 01:35:57,699
is just get doing it for the money

2792
01:35:57,699 --> 01:35:59,460
or doing it to entertain people. Some of

2793
01:35:59,460 --> 01:36:01,300
them are. Right? Some of them are just

2794
01:36:01,300 --> 01:36:01,800
regurgitating

2795
01:36:02,179 --> 01:36:03,859
what they learned in the military or law

2796
01:36:03,859 --> 01:36:05,835
enforcement or what they've now learned in twenty

2797
01:36:05,835 --> 01:36:08,335
plus years of a very active private sector

2798
01:36:08,555 --> 01:36:11,034
training environment with guys who were passing down

2799
01:36:11,034 --> 01:36:13,274
stuff they knew from the olden days. And

2800
01:36:13,274 --> 01:36:14,795
and some guys have have come up with

2801
01:36:14,795 --> 01:36:17,595
some great drills and great classes and great

2802
01:36:17,595 --> 01:36:18,095
experiences

2803
01:36:18,555 --> 01:36:20,975
to make people incredibly better

2804
01:36:21,810 --> 01:36:23,649
on the range. On the range. They're doing

2805
01:36:23,649 --> 01:36:25,570
their job as far as they're concerned, and

2806
01:36:25,570 --> 01:36:27,729
and it's it's not fair to suggest that

2807
01:36:27,729 --> 01:36:30,229
they're not really awesome at what they do.

2808
01:36:30,449 --> 01:36:32,530
It's just that some people just simply do

2809
01:36:32,530 --> 01:36:33,270
not understand

2810
01:36:33,805 --> 01:36:36,524
what potentially is a really important difference between

2811
01:36:36,524 --> 01:36:38,284
what you do on the range and what

2812
01:36:38,284 --> 01:36:39,805
you do what you might need to do

2813
01:36:39,805 --> 01:36:41,244
to defend yourself or your family in the

2814
01:36:41,244 --> 01:36:42,465
real world. And that

2815
01:36:43,005 --> 01:36:43,505
is,

2816
01:36:44,045 --> 01:36:46,539
studyable. That's learnable. That's observable. You can go

2817
01:36:46,539 --> 01:36:47,899
out and you can do the work to

2818
01:36:47,899 --> 01:36:50,060
find out what people have actually had to

2819
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:52,619
do with their guns. Not the anomalies, but

2820
01:36:52,619 --> 01:36:54,939
that bell curve. What is almost always what

2821
01:36:54,939 --> 01:36:56,539
people end up needing to do? And if

2822
01:36:56,539 --> 01:36:58,479
you focus on that, you're gonna find out

2823
01:36:58,925 --> 01:37:00,604
the shooting is the easy part. Like, as

2824
01:37:00,604 --> 01:37:02,525
long as your gun's gonna run, you know,

2825
01:37:02,525 --> 01:37:03,965
and you want it to be reliable and

2826
01:37:03,965 --> 01:37:06,625
you want a wide window for for negligence,

2827
01:37:06,845 --> 01:37:09,485
mistakes, like that safety margin in the designs

2828
01:37:09,485 --> 01:37:10,465
and in the reliability,

2829
01:37:10,925 --> 01:37:13,164
if you have those things, the shooting's gonna

2830
01:37:13,164 --> 01:37:14,625
be the easy part in in

2831
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:16,079
99.9%

2832
01:37:16,079 --> 01:37:18,159
of the defensive shooting situation someone could find

2833
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:20,500
themselves in. And once you accept that,

2834
01:37:21,039 --> 01:37:23,199
you stop worrying about split times, you stop

2835
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:25,119
worrying about one whole groups, you stop worrying

2836
01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:27,600
about sub second draws or whatever the trendy

2837
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,220
thing on Instagram is. Correct.

2838
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:30,420
Yeah.

2839
01:37:33,255 --> 01:37:34,395
Decompress time.

2840
01:37:36,055 --> 01:37:37,994
That's that's pretty good. Ninety minutes.

2841
01:37:39,574 --> 01:37:40,074
Yeah.

2842
01:37:41,414 --> 01:37:43,574
Well, an hour forty six because we're not

2843
01:37:43,574 --> 01:37:44,399
gonna cut anything.

2844
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,340
You already cut it.

2845
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:50,300
Well,

2846
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:52,719
I appreciate you,

2847
01:37:53,279 --> 01:37:54,880
dropping in and giving us your time. I

2848
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:56,420
know you're a you're a workaholic,

2849
01:37:57,359 --> 01:37:58,819
and we appreciate that.

2850
01:37:59,520 --> 01:37:59,760
So

2851
01:38:00,824 --> 01:38:02,685
Yeah. Always always good

2852
01:38:03,945 --> 01:38:06,104
always good to have these conversations with you.

2853
01:38:07,385 --> 01:38:08,364
It's it's

2854
01:38:09,465 --> 01:38:12,265
always appreciated. And and for me, I I

2855
01:38:12,265 --> 01:38:14,204
like the nerdy stuff. I like the,

2856
01:38:14,530 --> 01:38:16,229
let let's dive deep into

2857
01:38:16,770 --> 01:38:19,250
the understanding of of why things work the

2858
01:38:19,250 --> 01:38:20,930
way that they work. And this isn't everything

2859
01:38:20,930 --> 01:38:22,930
that that I do, but this is why

2860
01:38:22,930 --> 01:38:25,890
I do appreciate always being around people who

2861
01:38:25,890 --> 01:38:27,164
are willing to push back.

2862
01:38:28,204 --> 01:38:30,204
Even if it's against stuff that I believe

2863
01:38:30,204 --> 01:38:32,524
in, it's because that's the only way we

2864
01:38:32,524 --> 01:38:34,465
we could ever become better human beings.

2865
01:38:35,244 --> 01:38:35,744
And,

2866
01:38:36,604 --> 01:38:38,765
so I always appreciate that. Now we were

2867
01:38:38,765 --> 01:38:41,229
talking about how guns work. It was fun

2868
01:38:41,229 --> 01:38:43,149
to see that if you fuck with a

2869
01:38:43,149 --> 01:38:45,090
gun, it's gonna fucking go off.

2870
01:38:45,550 --> 01:38:47,090
Shocking. Yeah. Shocking.

2871
01:38:48,189 --> 01:38:50,270
Yeah. So But it was just a screw,

2872
01:38:50,270 --> 01:38:52,430
thus the whole I wasn't manipulating the trigger,

2873
01:38:52,430 --> 01:38:54,050
and it only moved about a millimeter.

2874
01:38:54,614 --> 01:38:56,694
You know, I think it's important. I this

2875
01:38:56,694 --> 01:38:57,194
video

2876
01:38:57,814 --> 01:38:59,574
is really important to me right now, I

2877
01:38:59,574 --> 01:39:02,054
think, in this conversation, everything we've covered and

2878
01:39:02,054 --> 01:39:02,954
talked about because

2879
01:39:03,414 --> 01:39:04,854
when I cut when I talked about the

2880
01:39:04,854 --> 01:39:07,014
three twenty with Tony and Zeke and those

2881
01:39:07,014 --> 01:39:07,514
guys,

2882
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:10,180
a, I didn't have any it was a

2883
01:39:10,180 --> 01:39:11,939
regular live. Right? And I pre I know

2884
01:39:11,939 --> 01:39:13,220
you guys wanted to do a live. I

2885
01:39:13,220 --> 01:39:14,739
appreciate you doing this in a way that

2886
01:39:14,739 --> 01:39:17,060
we could actually manipulate guns because I was

2887
01:39:17,060 --> 01:39:19,460
in a hotel room, like, after teaching all

2888
01:39:19,460 --> 01:39:21,824
day in New Mexico, and I all of

2889
01:39:21,824 --> 01:39:23,585
this stuff was probably said one way or

2890
01:39:23,585 --> 01:39:25,185
another, the stuff we when we were specifically

2891
01:39:25,185 --> 01:39:27,265
talking about the problems with three twenty. But

2892
01:39:27,265 --> 01:39:29,744
I think this video has presented that information

2893
01:39:29,744 --> 01:39:31,824
in a in a much more absorbable and

2894
01:39:31,824 --> 01:39:33,984
and educational way because I was able to

2895
01:39:33,984 --> 01:39:35,524
use the props. And

2896
01:39:36,010 --> 01:39:38,409
that was the day that the the I

2897
01:39:38,409 --> 01:39:40,030
just stuck a screw in the trigger

2898
01:39:40,729 --> 01:39:41,229
guy,

2899
01:39:42,329 --> 01:39:44,409
put that video out. So it was going

2900
01:39:44,409 --> 01:39:46,329
viral, and and we were all just kinda

2901
01:39:46,329 --> 01:39:48,189
reacting to it without really understanding

2902
01:39:48,574 --> 01:39:50,574
what he was trying to show. So I

2903
01:39:50,574 --> 01:39:53,314
was very just just I was completely dismissive

2904
01:39:53,375 --> 01:39:55,454
of it in in that video because it

2905
01:39:55,454 --> 01:39:57,055
was silly because he stuck a screw in

2906
01:39:57,055 --> 01:39:58,735
the gun and then said we didn't move

2907
01:39:58,735 --> 01:39:59,314
the trigger.

2908
01:40:00,255 --> 01:40:02,655
Now I understand what he was doing. Still

2909
01:40:02,655 --> 01:40:03,155
silly,

2910
01:40:03,659 --> 01:40:05,520
And I just think, again, he probably

2911
01:40:06,699 --> 01:40:08,960
didn't understand that he was deactivating

2912
01:40:09,579 --> 01:40:11,420
that safety with just that little bit of,

2913
01:40:11,420 --> 01:40:13,260
you know, less than a millimeter of movement.

2914
01:40:13,260 --> 01:40:14,239
And and that's

2915
01:40:14,619 --> 01:40:17,100
because he didn't understand what was going on

2916
01:40:17,100 --> 01:40:18,079
inside the gun

2917
01:40:19,204 --> 01:40:21,604
and didn't have an a rationale for why

2918
01:40:21,604 --> 01:40:23,684
sliding back and forth with such a tall

2919
01:40:23,684 --> 01:40:24,744
gun matters,

2920
01:40:25,125 --> 01:40:26,404
I think that's how you end up with

2921
01:40:26,404 --> 01:40:28,244
that video going viral. Right? And I've been

2922
01:40:28,244 --> 01:40:30,184
joking, like, he's now gonna be the Internet's,

2923
01:40:30,244 --> 01:40:32,724
like, go to guru for firearms engineering and

2924
01:40:32,724 --> 01:40:33,224
safety.

2925
01:40:33,604 --> 01:40:34,104
Right?

2926
01:40:34,449 --> 01:40:35,929
Because it stuck a screw in there. And,

2927
01:40:35,929 --> 01:40:37,649
I mean, meanwhile, what we need to do

2928
01:40:37,649 --> 01:40:39,329
is keep people out of Home Depot. Forget

2929
01:40:39,329 --> 01:40:41,810
about 3.8. Don't go down the fastener aisle

2930
01:40:41,810 --> 01:40:43,350
at Home Depot, and you'll be fine.

2931
01:40:44,530 --> 01:40:47,010
Because you might fall out. Yeah. And then

2932
01:40:47,010 --> 01:40:49,935
that fucking screw might accidentally go in, and

2933
01:40:50,095 --> 01:40:51,155
it goes off.

2934
01:40:51,534 --> 01:40:52,914
Fucking at Home Depot.

2935
01:40:53,454 --> 01:40:56,095
So Yeah. I honestly didn't even know that

2936
01:40:56,095 --> 01:40:57,854
that's how the given the giving me the

2937
01:40:57,854 --> 01:41:00,015
time and the interest. The Michigan one. I

2938
01:41:00,015 --> 01:41:01,715
didn't know that that's how it was done.

2939
01:41:02,469 --> 01:41:04,250
So, yeah, if you look at the pictures,

2940
01:41:04,630 --> 01:41:06,869
you'll see it's kinda like the gun's in

2941
01:41:06,869 --> 01:41:07,449
a vice,

2942
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:09,590
and you can kinda see a punch. And

2943
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:11,909
they say something like manipulating or you can

2944
01:41:11,909 --> 01:41:13,670
go but you can you can just kinda

2945
01:41:13,670 --> 01:41:15,149
make out the gun the the gun's in

2946
01:41:15,149 --> 01:41:16,389
a vice, and they've got, like, I think

2947
01:41:16,389 --> 01:41:17,864
one point, the guy has, like, two hands

2948
01:41:17,864 --> 01:41:19,864
jamming a punch or something into the back

2949
01:41:19,864 --> 01:41:21,965
of the gun. And they talk about relieving,

2950
01:41:22,585 --> 01:41:24,204
the back plate so they could observe

2951
01:41:24,585 --> 01:41:25,645
what was going on.

2952
01:41:26,505 --> 01:41:27,784
You know, like I said, there there's a

2953
01:41:27,784 --> 01:41:29,164
lot going on with with

2954
01:41:29,465 --> 01:41:30,685
these these issues.

2955
01:41:31,945 --> 01:41:33,645
You know, we we had to see

2956
01:41:34,319 --> 01:41:35,679
if we well, I didn't because I didn't

2957
01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:37,439
know. Right? We don't you can only go

2958
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:38,659
so far with the math.

2959
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:42,340
Our striker is tensioned. Right?

2960
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:45,300
It's as we described, like, when we demonstrated,

2961
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:47,359
it does move back under when you're pressing

2962
01:41:47,359 --> 01:41:48,420
the trigger. But

2963
01:41:49,034 --> 01:41:50,954
what now, again, let me be really super

2964
01:41:50,954 --> 01:41:52,875
clear here about what we did for the

2965
01:41:52,875 --> 01:41:55,994
test. We took the drop safety plunger out

2966
01:41:55,994 --> 01:41:56,494
entirely.

2967
01:41:57,195 --> 01:41:59,695
We removed that safety from the gun.

2968
01:42:00,314 --> 01:42:02,710
We used a trigger that did not have

2969
01:42:02,710 --> 01:42:04,949
a tab. We removed the tab safety from

2970
01:42:04,949 --> 01:42:05,609
the trigger.

2971
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:08,409
We opened up the back of the gun.

2972
01:42:08,869 --> 01:42:11,430
We had un we had primed cases that

2973
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:13,850
were un you know, unloaded but primed cases.

2974
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:16,795
And we stuck a tool in the back

2975
01:42:16,795 --> 01:42:17,295
and

2976
01:42:17,994 --> 01:42:19,675
maneuvered it so that we were able to

2977
01:42:19,675 --> 01:42:20,175
push

2978
01:42:21,034 --> 01:42:22,074
so we were able to get in there

2979
01:42:22,074 --> 01:42:23,675
and and, you know, just hook on that

2980
01:42:23,675 --> 01:42:25,435
and push that down so that a striker

2981
01:42:25,435 --> 01:42:27,774
would go forward. And we did

2982
01:42:28,079 --> 01:42:28,579
ten

2983
01:42:29,039 --> 01:42:31,840
ten times with two different guns, and one

2984
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,159
gun fired three times and one gun fired

2985
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:34,659
twice.

2986
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,960
And we used very importantly, we used a

2987
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:38,579
bunch of different brass.

2988
01:42:39,039 --> 01:42:41,055
Right? So what does that tell you? Well,

2989
01:42:41,055 --> 01:42:44,335
primer sensitivity and primer height probably play a

2990
01:42:44,335 --> 01:42:44,835
role.

2991
01:42:45,454 --> 01:42:47,774
And to some extent, even how the round

2992
01:42:47,774 --> 01:42:48,274
chambers,

2993
01:42:48,814 --> 01:42:51,135
right, and and how much tolerance there is

2994
01:42:51,135 --> 01:42:53,715
on the lockup in any given gun barrel,

2995
01:42:53,935 --> 01:42:54,435
extractor,

2996
01:42:55,150 --> 01:42:56,449
breech face combination,

2997
01:42:56,989 --> 01:43:00,030
and the striker itself. Right? The tolerances on

2998
01:43:00,030 --> 01:43:02,030
the actual extension of the striker. There's a

2999
01:43:02,030 --> 01:43:04,030
whole bunch of things at play so that

3000
01:43:04,030 --> 01:43:06,030
what we found out was, like, less than

3001
01:43:06,030 --> 01:43:07,010
half the time,

3002
01:43:07,390 --> 01:43:08,530
there is enough

3003
01:43:09,715 --> 01:43:10,935
precocked force

3004
01:43:11,315 --> 01:43:14,614
inside the striker when it's at rest that

3005
01:43:14,994 --> 01:43:15,735
if you

3006
01:43:17,715 --> 01:43:18,215
teleported

3007
01:43:19,795 --> 01:43:21,494
or by some other magic

3008
01:43:22,114 --> 01:43:24,195
made the drop safety plunger come out of

3009
01:43:24,195 --> 01:43:24,854
the gun,

3010
01:43:26,250 --> 01:43:27,469
and you you

3011
01:43:27,849 --> 01:43:30,489
had a very small person go in through

3012
01:43:30,489 --> 01:43:31,710
this hole

3013
01:43:32,170 --> 01:43:35,130
and jump really hard and push up on

3014
01:43:35,130 --> 01:43:37,689
the slide and push down on the trigger

3015
01:43:37,689 --> 01:43:41,194
bar to push it off, or you had

3016
01:43:41,194 --> 01:43:43,594
a lightsaber kinda thing happen where the back

3017
01:43:43,594 --> 01:43:45,054
of the gun got cut open

3018
01:43:45,435 --> 01:43:46,094
and then

3019
01:43:46,635 --> 01:43:49,034
a ninja threw a really small dart in

3020
01:43:49,034 --> 01:43:50,574
the like, you could you could

3021
01:43:51,079 --> 01:43:53,559
maybe. I I see the next Rick Moran

3022
01:43:53,559 --> 01:43:55,479
is Are we under tension enough to make

3023
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:57,399
the gun go bang? And then the question

3024
01:43:57,399 --> 01:43:58,840
is, well, how do we how do we

3025
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,199
get it so that we're not we have

3026
01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:02,599
zero chance of the gun ever going bang

3027
01:44:02,599 --> 01:44:04,599
if the teleporting and the light sabering and

3028
01:44:04,599 --> 01:44:07,515
the gremlin all come together. And there's, like,

3029
01:44:07,515 --> 01:44:09,034
now you don't you don't want that 12

3030
01:44:09,034 --> 01:44:10,635
pound trigger pull, so that's not gonna happen.

3031
01:44:10,635 --> 01:44:12,094
Okay. So forget about that.

3032
01:44:13,594 --> 01:44:15,515
And and so all of these guns, if

3033
01:44:15,515 --> 01:44:18,234
you start pulling parts out and you start

3034
01:44:18,234 --> 01:44:20,940
jamming things in there, eventually, you're gonna make

3035
01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:22,460
them go off. Right? And, like, what I

3036
01:44:22,460 --> 01:44:24,699
don't want is for you can do it

3037
01:44:24,699 --> 01:44:26,300
as the teaser if you want, but I

3038
01:44:26,300 --> 01:44:29,180
don't want, like, the viral, Rob says glocks

3039
01:44:29,180 --> 01:44:31,340
are dangerous. Look at this because I made

3040
01:44:32,140 --> 01:44:34,215
like, I I do that just to say

3041
01:44:34,215 --> 01:44:36,215
this is one of the the safest, most

3042
01:44:36,215 --> 01:44:38,854
proven designs out there in more hands in

3043
01:44:38,854 --> 01:44:40,695
a 03/20 probably. Well, if you look at

3044
01:44:40,695 --> 01:44:42,614
all the Glock family for sure, probably even

3045
01:44:42,614 --> 01:44:43,895
Glock 40 eights, there's more of them out

3046
01:44:43,895 --> 01:44:45,275
there, I think, than March,

3047
01:44:46,770 --> 01:44:48,689
in public hands, not in the law enforcement

3048
01:44:48,689 --> 01:44:49,810
military side. But if you just look at

3049
01:44:49,810 --> 01:44:51,189
the public. And yet,

3050
01:44:52,289 --> 01:44:54,469
if you stick a screw in the trigger,

3051
01:44:54,689 --> 01:44:56,449
move it a little bit, defeat the tab

3052
01:44:56,449 --> 01:44:58,130
safety, cut a hole in the back, stick

3053
01:44:58,130 --> 01:44:59,810
a tool in there, and wrench it around

3054
01:44:59,810 --> 01:45:02,015
a little bit, you can make it fire

3055
01:45:02,015 --> 01:45:04,375
without touching the trigger. That's like the classic,

3056
01:45:04,735 --> 01:45:07,375
lesson learned. Yeah. That's the classic, hey, doc.

3057
01:45:07,375 --> 01:45:08,835
It hurts when I do this.

3058
01:45:09,295 --> 01:45:09,795
Yeah.

3059
01:45:10,255 --> 01:45:11,314
Don't do that.

3060
01:45:12,414 --> 01:45:14,034
Stop doing it. Stop

3061
01:45:14,739 --> 01:45:16,119
stop slamming the lid.

3062
01:45:17,859 --> 01:45:18,359
Well,

3063
01:45:19,619 --> 01:45:21,859
for those of you that are still here

3064
01:45:21,859 --> 01:45:23,539
after we said we were gonna log off,

3065
01:45:23,859 --> 01:45:25,539
I appreciate it because you just got some

3066
01:45:25,539 --> 01:45:26,359
extra information.

3067
01:45:27,155 --> 01:45:29,015
And now I have a new,

3068
01:45:29,635 --> 01:45:31,815
script to write for a new Rick Moranis

3069
01:45:31,875 --> 01:45:32,375
movie.

3070
01:45:33,715 --> 01:45:36,835
Fucking shrinking people to go into guns and

3071
01:45:36,835 --> 01:45:39,095
dancing on them. It's gonna be awesome.

3072
01:45:39,420 --> 01:45:41,500
That might be what that might be something

3073
01:45:41,500 --> 01:45:43,199
Sig said in a in a deposition.

3074
01:45:44,619 --> 01:45:47,680
Just for a second. It's possible. It's possible.

3075
01:45:47,820 --> 01:45:48,880
Think about it.

3076
01:45:51,020 --> 01:45:52,000
Shit. That's funny.

3077
01:45:52,484 --> 01:45:54,965
Alright. Well, we're gonna end this. I appreciate

3078
01:45:54,965 --> 01:45:57,465
you, Rob, for for, hanging out with us.

3079
01:45:57,925 --> 01:45:59,444
If you guys wanna know more about the

3080
01:45:59,444 --> 01:46:01,844
Avidity Arms, go to avidityarms.com.

3081
01:46:01,844 --> 01:46:04,164
If you wanna, learn more about Rob, just

3082
01:46:04,164 --> 01:46:05,864
ask chat g p t

3083
01:46:06,289 --> 01:46:08,869
who Rob Pincus is, and it'll tell you.

3084
01:46:09,090 --> 01:46:11,270
Or Grok. Grok does a good job too.

3085
01:46:11,409 --> 01:46:13,890
Yeah. But he's gonna say some some weird

3086
01:46:13,890 --> 01:46:15,890
shit. Grok I hear Grok is doing weird

3087
01:46:15,890 --> 01:46:16,390
shit.

3088
01:46:17,090 --> 01:46:19,350
So Grok too. Ask Grok. And then,

3089
01:46:20,534 --> 01:46:21,835
Avedity Arms PDN,

3090
01:46:23,175 --> 01:46:25,274
personaldefensenetwork.com.

3091
01:46:25,814 --> 01:46:26,475
I'm always

3092
01:46:26,935 --> 01:46:28,554
proud to be a part of the PDN

3093
01:46:29,094 --> 01:46:29,994
training tour.

3094
01:46:30,614 --> 01:46:32,375
So that that's always fun. Go check that

3095
01:46:32,375 --> 01:46:33,119
shit out and everything

3096
01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:36,035
else that that Rob's involved with. So, anyways,

3097
01:46:36,035 --> 01:46:37,520
I I appreciate your time, Rob. Yeah. Alright.

3098
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,119
Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work out

3099
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:41,600
there in Colorado and and wherever your travels

3100
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:42,979
take you. Nice.

3101
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:44,820
We'll see you guys. Peace.