And I am
live.
Isaac should be joining us here shortly.
Yeah.
He actually just texted. He said he's gonna
be here shortly. So I'm just gonna get
this started.
While we wait for for Isaac,
I think it's it's a good idea
to kinda cover a little bit about
what we're doing with
the the new training requirements here in the
state of Colorado. I know some of you
guys are already kinda fed up with with
all of that shit, but I still think
it's it's an important conversation.
So what we're doing,
and I might slice this up and and
put it up on on the the YouTubes,
for the students. So the the way we're
doing is if you already took a class
with with guns for everyone,
especially here in the state of Colorado,
before the the laws changed, say you took
it three years ago,
you
you took the the class,
and,
we can prove that you attended the class,
then what we will do is we will
verify your attendance.
Once we verify your attendance
I'm gonna I'm pulling this up. Once we
verify your attendance, then all you have to
do is is the range time, the four
hours at the range because you already completed
four hours.
If if we go to where the law,
is at I'm gonna pull up the law
here so we can kinda read it here
together. Again, for those of you guys that
are kinda popping up, I'm just giving, Isaac
some time. He's
he's not a white person that's on time.
He's always late.
He's wrapping some shit up,
and, he'll he'll join us here in a
little bit. So I'm taking some time to
to clarify
these classes. So
if we
if we go to the law,
got it here.
Let me bring this up for you guys.
Cool. Hopefully, you guys can read it. If
you guys can't read it, then it is
what it is.
A concealed handgun training class, boom, right here,
concealed handgun training class,
must be held in person with the instructor
of the of the class at the same
location as the students, and no part shall
be conducted via the Internet.
A concealed handgun training class must provide a
minimum of eight hours of instruction, including live
fire shooting exercises described in subsection three g
of the section written concealed
handgun competency exam described blah blah blah. The
eight hours of instructions,
of instruction and, of course, do not need
to be
consecutive.
So they don't need to be in the
same day. They don't need to be
in the same week. They don't need to
be at the same time.
So you already completed. And by the way,
if we continue reading on here and feel
free,
there's the there's the the law right there.
Feel free to go check it out.
There's nothing in this law
that says
that it must be done
in a certain amount of time. There's nothing
here that says you have ninety days to
complete the eight hours, nothing on here that
it says you have six months to complete
the eight hours,
None of that stuff. I encourage you guys
to read it,
but nothing on here does it say that
there's time sensitivity.
Once you complete the entire course, then there
is time sensitivity
to go apply once you complete the entire
eight hours. So, again, if you are a
guns for everyone student,
you did the class four years ago, five
years ago,
three years ago, two years ago,
you already completed four hours. You already completed
four hours. So if we can verify your
attendance,
then,
as far as we're concerned, we're meeting the
legal requirements. Because, again, there's nothing in this
law
that says the eight hours has to be
conducted,
within a certain amount of time. There's no
time sensitivity there.
Also,
we're we're holding competitions.
The competitions
qualify under eighteen twelve two zero three,
h subsection,
one. So this is
this version subsection is effective 07/01/2025.
Evidence of experience with the firearm through participation
in organized shooting competitions.
With this, there's no there's no testing. There's
no time requirements. There's no,
curriculum that we have to follow to basically
show up, compete.
The organized shooting competitions traditionally
are with a five zero one c three.
It it doesn't necessarily say that. I'm gonna
plug Isaac in
since he's here. It doesn't necessarily
say
501C 3 here, but it does say organized
shooting competitions.
And I I get it. It it doesn't
say five zero one c three. Fully understand.
We
usually
what judges look at is the way it's
written in other laws.
And if you were to go to where
it says possession of a handgun by juveniles
and makes reference
to.
Engage in organized competitions involving the use of
farm participant participation performance by an organized group
under five zero one c three.
So that's that's usually what,
a a judge would look at. What do
other law say about
what the definition of an organized group or
organized,
shooting competition.
And there is reference to in
the gun laws
in
this particular context is this is the exception
when a juvenile
can have a pew pew. One of the
exceptions, and that's engaged in organized
competitions involve
involving the use of a firearm or participating
or in or participating for a performance
by an organized group under five zero one
c three.
That's the only that's the only thing that,
you ought to look at. A lot of
people have been asking me about do all
gas, no brakes.
Does that count?
I don't know. I'm not an attorney.
I would say be careful
because it is,
it's it's more than just Joe Schmoe's fucking
competition.
It do they do it on a regular
basis?
It's pretty well organized, but there's no organization
necessarily behind it. And if you read some
of the laws,
it does talk about,
five one c three. So I'd hate for
you to take a paper from a a
competition that's not
a five one one c three, and then
they get denied, and then you try and
fight it, which we'll help you do.
But, there is already
verbiage about what an organized group or an
organized shooting competition is within the law,
and that's in this section.
That's the only place where I say to
kinda be careful with that shit.
But, anyways,
that's a little bit about how we're doing
the the concealed carry stuff.
I just wanna kill some time while Isaac,
stop.
He he's, like, one nineteenth Mexican.
And when it comes to time, it that
shit always fucking kills.
My brown blood runs
thick
when the when there's a clock.
Now this time, I had a good excuse,
but I'm not gonna tell you what it
was.
Speaking of, I just found this picture.
There you go.
That's where the Mexican comes from right there.
Yeah? If that don't look Mexican as fuck.
Well, it kinda looks
hickish too. It's hick. Yeah. I guess. Yeah.
Which, I mean, there there is a strong
correlation with farmers and just looking.
Yeah.
So,
who were were you answering a question?
No. No. No. I just wanted to kill
some time. Oh, okay. And then maybe we'll
I'll clip that later and then use that.
Yeah. Cool.
Alright.
Party time.
Party. Now this time when I opened Restream,
it did not, ask me if I wanted
to stream to my own YouTube channel. Restream
seems to be very inconsistent.
You are inconsistent.
I I just clicked the link.
You're inconsistent. Your mom's inconsistent.
Alright. So I talked about this with you,
on Monday, and I did find the video.
So I thought we could just start with
this.
Nice. Do you wanna start with some super
gay shit? Yeah. That's great.
Not the good kind of of gay.
Let me see here.
I'm gonna share this.
And is it working?
Yeah. Okay.
So we'll just start from the beginning here.
This is, Forward Observations, which is a pretty
big YouTube channel, 200,000,
homos,
homo erectuses,
homo
Homo sapiens.
I would assume
it's all homo sapiens.
And, this is one of their, you know,
sizzle reels,
and they're running speed runs on
like, I don't understand this. Do you understand?
Like, can you explain what is supposed to
be happening here? There is nothing
in anything I've ever done
that
would
there's no context where this would be
a thing you would do.
Yeah. I mean, it's labeled
fast as fuck boy,
and it is fast. It is fast.
What did you write?
Well, we'll get to that in a second.
Okay.
I'm just trying to, like, understand what the
point of this is,
except fun. I guess fun.
Like, this is this this is pretty fun.
Dude's got no shirt on,
and,
the cameraman What is it with with with
gear horse?
They're just like, I just my dick is
so small. I I want to show my
nipples.
I think it's just like it's the overall
I look the part. I wanna look as
much like the part as I can.
That is a a very consistent thing is
anytime you're around gear whores Mhmm. The shirt
must go off.
Yeah. Or at least be painted on.
It's so weird. It's so strange. And I'm
saying this as somebody who wears those shirts.
Like, I'm not I'm not a puppet.
Yeah. So if you're the cameraman, this part's
really fun, I think.
That's awesome.
Can you go back to the point it
right at him,
but, I mean, that's that's that's a little
close.
Especially It's
it's
far beyond anything we would allow in a
competition.
Well and and it's the question of balance
of risk and benefit. And what is the
benefit?
None.
Yeah.
This clip.
The clip. Yeah.
I guess.
But the the benefit does not significantly outweigh
Yeah. The known or perceived risk.
I mean, not to me, it doesn't.
No way. Maybe it does to them, but,
and and that's, that's something I've been kind
of, like, getting more
careful about
as I go
when I I don't assume
other people's
values. Like, I don't assume that I have
the same values as you do. So if
this is beneficial to you,
you know, to choreograph
an entire
Right.
CQB.
Yeah.
If you can explain to your
your
kids when you're laying in a coffin
what the benefit was, I guess, you know,
that's that's the way you wanna do it.
Another guy with no shirt.
Oh, he's got These are these are the
manliest of men. He's got a naked. So
you know what he means business. Alright. So
what I wanted to really talk about was
what happens
at
so in my comment,
I said, at twenty six seconds, the dude
has his finger on the trigger.
And somebody replied,
where?
At twenty six seconds. So let's go to
twenty six seconds. Here we are at twenty
four seconds.
No finger on the trigger. Here we are
at twenty
five seconds,
and
no finger on the trigger.
But since we're speed running,
the most efficient way to be fast is
to cut out all the unnecessary,
or not unnecessary, but all the extra movements.
And as we can see, at twenty six,
twenty six,
boom. Boom. Finger on the trigger. Finger on
the trigger with
cameraman cameraman in front of you. Directly in
front of you.
But it's okay because this dude is so
elite we have to blur his face.
So elite, and this is from a really
popular YouTube channel. So as long as it's
popular
Yeah.
It's it's alright.
So
you remember
YouTube back in the
early two thousand tens?
02/2010,
even even earlier than that. Oh, yeah. I
remember. Some of the YouTube channels, and you'd
see some boneheaded behavior
on YouTube, and then people would call it
out.
And it was a lot of fun.
And I think I remember
that James Jaeger had a cameraman downrange for
one of his classes sitting between two targets.
I don't know if you remember that or
not. Yeah.
And he got
roasted
perpetually
for that.
Like, I I'm I mean, I'm talking about
it in 2025,
so
it it was a big time burn, I
think,
for him.
And he had to go and, like, try
to justify it, and people are like, that's
never justified.
Well, apparently, it
is because
I didn't see anybody else in the comments
bringing this up.
I mean, I didn't read them all,
but,
yeah, everybody's like, this is awesome.
This is the coolest thing ever. Coolest thing
ever. More nipples, please. More.
Could you blur everything but the nipples?
And
the reason this is important to me is
because, you know, in a class when people
say, you know, why do you think people
put their fingers on the triggers? And a
lot of people will say,
well, they've seen it in the movies.
And I think that's true,
but more importantly, it's the whole picture of
gun handling,
gun ownership, the use of firearms.
Yeah. That trickles down from media
into
the culture, the zeitgeist, or whatever you wanna
talk talk about.
And
so I don't think that there's any room
for reckless
behavior
to be posted on the Internet.
Well,
especially
you you had brought up and and we
mentioned this a lot during the Alec Baldwin
shit Mhmm. Is
everybody who's a gun owner
or most everybody who's a gun owner was
up in arms with with Alec Baldwin for
doing just that right there. Like like, literally,
just just that,
and nobody accepted it there because it's a
political foe. It's Right. It's somebody you don't
agree with. But now you agree with these
people politically,
so now it's okay. It's it's the hypocrisy,
and it should always be called out. And
and the
hypocrisy and also uninformed
criticism.
Yeah. Because I think most people,
who were talking about Alec Baldwin really had
no idea
what they were talking about,
how
firearms and I'll use that term,
you know, with quotations because that means a
lot of different things
on a movie set, how firearms are handled
on a on a movie set.
And,
not not only that, but whose responsibilities
and where do they lie? I do think
Alec Baldwin made some huge mistakes. And Sure.
The mistakes he made were as a producer,
he was not doing a good job hiring
and and controlling
the people on the set. But
the act of pointing a
a gun that was supposed to be a
prop or some something about the gun was
supposed to be a prop, whether it was
the ammo or the gun itself,
and then being told where to point the
gun
and maybe pull the trigger.
Correct. He was he was just this was
a movie set. This is supposed to be
a secure
place, etcetera. There's all these reasons why
we should at least question,
who's at fault for that.
These are real guns in this picture or
in this video.
Everybody who's handling them knows they're real,
and they're full of real ammo.
And Correct.
They're just dicking around
and then posting it on the Internet.
But I mean, like, I don't wanna, you
know,
I don't wanna excuse bad behavior. But if
you're gonna do shit like this, don't post
it on the Internet.
Like,
I have a lot of things that I've
done in my life that were less than
bright,
and most of them I never posted on
the Internet.
Some we did.
Some some we did, but none of them
were safety issues. They were more reputationally
destroying
issues.
You know? And even, like, we got roasted
for a picture.
Like, we had people who were totally on
our dicks about this picture. The cat one?
No. Of me laying on the ground and
you standing near me with your rifle pointed
at the ground.
Oh, because of the angle. It looked Because
the angle looked like your
resting hanging rifle
with
the safety on, it looked like it could
be pointed at me, but it wasn't.
Correct.
But it looked like it could have been.
And You were demoing,
an a drill.
Yeah.
And and, of course, Reddit being the primary
mover of that, you know, people going crazy.
I just don't understand
why you would put this on the Internet.
Because dumb. That's why. Because dumb. Because dumb.
That's why.
Anyway, that was one,
thing that I found this week.
What about you?
I didn't find shit. You didn't find shit?
But
All the time you spend on the Internet,
you don't find anything.
I do find it. I just
forget about it, and I don't and in
fact, there's a lot of shit that I
save.
Like, oh, this is gonna be dope, and
then I just fucking forget about it. Yeah.
I know. Alright. How about a defensive gun
use
that is I think is making the rounds?
The one in Chicago?
No. This is in Memphis,
and we haven't talked about this. I don't
even know if you've seen it, but let's
let's go ahead and and look at it
because it's, it's kind of an interesting one.
I don't know if
sound will come through. Does sound come through?
It should come through.
Oh, beef.
Can you hear that? Yep. Okay.
Alright. We never got to talk to the
cute chick,
that fucking saved her her boyfriend or her
husband smoke
smoked the dude.
She came out. Her titties were fucking flopping
out.
I didn't see that one. You didn't see
that one? I didn't see that one.
So let me just let this play through.
Go.
This is a repo man who's got the
truck hooked up, I think, or the car
hooked up. And the guy in the white
T shirt is the owner well, not really.
If he was the owner, this wouldn't be
happening.
This is the,
deadbeat, I guess.
Move. Back up. I'll beat you. Back up.
I'll drop your fucking card. Drop your neck.
Drop your neck. Back up, and I'll drop
your fucking card. I'm gonna play it. Back
up. Back up. Back up. Back up. Back
up. Back up, and I'll drop it. Now.
Drop it
now. Drop it now. Watch out, my guy.
Who? Drop it now. Drop it now. I
got everything on camera, my guy. Look. Drop
it. You reach, I'm gonna kill you. I
ain't reaching, my guy. Drop it now. You
see? Drop it now and pull it out.
Drop it. Drop it now.
Oh, fuck.
He's there? He just shot me, dude. Where
you at? Where you at? He's following me.
Where you
at?
Where
you
at?
Alright. I'm gonna skip ahead because Billy. Kind
of a lot of nothing going on here
for a minute.
Billy. Hey. Hey. Hold on a second. So
this is about a minute and a half
ahead. Hey. Hey. I'm good. I'm good. I'm
good. Let me call 911.
Alright.
Call 911, dude. I am. I am. I
am. I gotta unlock my motherfucking shit.
Motherfucking
shit.
You have reached Memphis 911
All operators are
All operators are busy? Yeah. Cool. Back up.
Dude's in a literal shootout and,
hey, can you can you hold for a
minute? Can you hold up? I got four
calls ahead of you.
Oh,
beef. Some dude in India answers the
phone. Hello. My name my name is Michael.
I don't think so.
So,
yes, this is pretty interesting. Repo man in
Memphis.
I mean,
you're probably gonna get into a handful of
gunfights if you keep that job for very
long.
So this is the one that I was
talking about.
Let me get the
alright.
This one
is kinda crazy. Dude pretends to be,
Oh, yeah. I did not watch this. I
saw this pop up, and I didn't watch
it.
So he's pretending to be a marshall. Pretending
to be a a marshall. So he's telling
you to get on the ground.
Let me see if I could could get
He he
identified himself. No. Yeah. I can hear
Yeah. But it's the news people. Fucking news
people. Yeah. Okay. So he's telling them,
get on the fucking ground, get on the
ground, blah blah blah.
And then,
shit happens, and then his
his wife was like, the fuck you do.
They didn't show the shooting.
But she had come out, and she started
shooting that motherfucker.
No way.
Yeah. She's the one that that saved him.
Oh, the vest didn't save him?
No. That motherfucker's crawling, and then he got
away. He had a His getaway
seems like his getaway is something it is.
So she's like, while she comes out
Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
There we go. Alright. So she she she
shoots this guy.
Is did his shoes come off? Yeah. Fuck
yeah. Why wouldn't they? I think they're supposed
to. She he's like, oh, no. Not my
Nikes, man.
Oh, dude. And she didn't have him chambered,
of course, because why would you?
Look at that.
He doesn't know what to pick up. He's
like, do I pick up my gun or
my my shoes?
Oh, what is this? Oh, she's a firearms
instructor now.
Yeah. Yes.
That that is that is the fucking picture.
Every fucking instructor has that picture. I didn't
even fucking see that.
Yeah.
Every every fucking instructor has the picture.
That's so true.
Talk about overteaching.
But her fucking shirt wasn't keeping up with
anything.
That's gold, man.
For sure. I can't believe I didn't check
that out.
I saw that thumbnail a couple of times.
It had a girl in it, so you're
like, no. Can't be No. I just I
didn't even, like I just saw turns table
on robbery, and I think what happens this
happens a lot is if I see that
it's a news
Yeah. Clip, I don't even bother because nothing
nothing super useful is probably gonna be in
that clip. But I was wrong
because that was awesome.
So
couple things about the,
repo clip that stood out to me, and
then I I wanna go back and look
at the robbery one too.
But
we talk about Who the fuck? Drawn on
a drawn gun. I'm gonna
mute this for a second.
Drawn on a drawn gun. This dude does
have his finger on the trigger,
and this guy goes for a couple of
weak ass disarms in a row
that don't really do anything.
Well, and and it's it's always
it's always crazy that
part of our limbic system is put a
hand
in front of Yeah. The muzzle.
Yeah. Well, if you think about it, if
a rock is coming at your head Correct.
Putting out a hand makes sense.
So he got shot in the leg,
He actually didn't get get shot. As far
as I understand, he thought he did, but
he didn't. Because it looks like right there
as he drives off Yeah. I mean, the
guy starts,
shooting.
I got everything on camera, my guy. Well,
drop it. You reach, I'm gonna kill you.
I ain't reaching, my guy. Drop it now.
You see? Drop it now and pull it
out. Drop it. Drop it now.
Oh, fuck.
Oh, yeah. I ain't reaching, my guy. Drop
it now. You see? Drop it now. And
pull it out. Drop drop it now.
So He's already down three. He's got a
revolver, so he's Yeah. He only has three
more. Yeah. If that So,
Like, these are the kinds of things that
I kinda watch when I see this.
If you can hear
the dude in the white shirt talking,
his breathing is completely out of whack.
Yeah. Like, he is in some serious stress
breathing.
So he's in the middle of his own
highly
stimulated response, sympathetic nervous system response, because you
could tell if the breathing is that affected,
you know, his body's working in that stress
mind or that stress system,
sympathetic nervous system.
And that doesn't like, I don't take that
to mean, like, this guy should have done
any you know, done something, done not done
something,
But your attacker
could very well
be working with the same,
neurological
responses
that you are.
And
that can
you know, that means that your bad guy
is not thinking rationally either.
Your bad guy is in a in
a stress
response,
which people do weird things like reach out
and grab a gun,
you know, or put their hand in front
of the firearm.
Now this is where a lot of people
think, oh, stress is gonna make me worse.
Mhmm. It's not that it makes you worse.
It's just you don't have enough bandwidth to
do all of the rational shit. You don't
have enough bandwidth
to do any of the logical shit. Right.
It's not that that
your your muscles are acting worse. If anything,
they're they're actually performing better because of the
extra
boost of adrenaline that it has or or
Mhmm. You're breathing heavier because
the body wants you to absorb and and
get more oxygen into your system so it
can it can,
release the blood in, the way it needs
to because now you're pumping more blood
through your system because now your heart is
beating faster.
So you're actually performing better. The problem is
is that your brain
is operating at a very low fucking bandwidth.
Yeah.
It's it's kinda like when you go to
a stadium and you try and use your
phone, and it's just that everybody's trying to
use the phone. So the the towers are
all fucking
fucked. Yeah.
So these these
sympathetic,
nervous system responses that are happening
are
designed to increase survivability.
Correct.
Or if you don't wanna use the word
designed,
you know, evolved to increase
survivability
in threatening circumstances.
But they evolved or were designed at a
time when firearms didn't exist.
Correct. But humans still exist.
And,
actually, quite a number of
violent encounters do not involve the bad guy
having a weapon,
at all,
let alone a sophisticated weapon like a firearm.
So those responses very well could be extraordinarily
helpful
to you.
But like you said, your brain is not
is not processing with the same bandwidth,
and
the things that you do naturally
when a firearm is involved
might be counterproductive
to
other responses
that we could try to train
new stimulus response patterns for. Correct.
Or you can just roll the dice and
see what happens.
The other thing I noticed in this is
this guy is it really looks like he's
trying to
negotiate
his way out of this as and also
find a physical way out of this.
So he has guns in the car,
but they're not accessible enough to use at
this moment.
So he's forced to
figure something else out. This is this is
this is a a a a big one.
Sorry to cut you off. Yeah. Go ahead.
A
a big, big thing for all you weirdos
who like to carry your gun in the
center console
or the glove compartment
or,
any weird shit like that instead of on
your body. Because,
I get asked this a lot. Like, what
about the magnets that go underneath your dashboard?
I was like, well, here you go.
Here's a batshit crazy situation that could could
it's very plausible that it happens to you,
and your firearm is not accessible to you
when you need it. And the bad guy
can see you reaching for the gun. Could
see the gun
Yeah. If it's on that magnet.
And
now now you've lost the element of surprise,
which is one of the only things you
have on your side in this situation
is the element of surprise.
It doesn't mean it's gonna work. It's just
one of the few advantages that you could
plausibly have if you have the gun accessible
and not visible to to your attacker.
I did see this guy on
some blog
who had done some research about self defense
shootings and looked at a lot of videos,
and he was trying to gather some data
from it. And one of the pieces of
data he gathered from the videos was that,
in roughly 40%
somewhere between 4050%
of defensive
use of a concealed firearm,
the person drawing their firearm concealed the draw
in some way, turn their body, step behind
something.
And I think that that's a pretty,
I don't wanna say natural because drawing the
firearm is not a natural response.
It's a trained response.
And when I say trained response, I don't
mean, like, you can only do it if
you're trained. It's
it's
something outside of what the human body
developed around. A learned response. It's a learned
response. There you go. That's a better word.
But concealing
the deployment of a weapon, I think, is
much more natural.
Correct.
And so if the if the opportunity arises
to do that,
your your body's gonna be probably screaming at
you, like,
this is your chance.
Right? Like, now is the time to have
the reaction
or or to have the response The response.
Of of,
of
counter ambushing.
But
if the gun is far away from you
or requires you to open
or even unlock something in order to access
it, you can't really do that
when you're
face to face with your attacker. You can't
you have no element of surprise. You have
no
element of concealment
of that draw.
So this guy stuck with another response, which
is to drive away.
And he's he's doing the talkie talkie thing
with this guy,
the the negotiating,
but his body language kinda looks like he's
he's looking for an avenue where he can
conceal
his plan to drive away.
And you could see the truck.
So he's, like, he's trying to close the
door,
and the guy won't let him Watch out,
my guy. Drop it now. Drop it now.
I got everything on camera, my guy. Well,
drop You reach, I'm gonna kill you. I
ain't reaching, my guy. Drop it now. You
see? So now he's doing the nodding.
Like, this is pretty common when you're trying
to conceal what you're about to do.
You well, bad guys will do this too.
They'll start nodding
as they prepare to do the counter assault
or the assault or the ambush or whatever.
So he's nodding.
Drop it now and put it up. And
now he's, like,
put his key in or something. Like, you
can hear the ding
going on. And then That's crazy. You you
mentioned the nodding,
because if you're spending enough time watching the
nature channel, like, the fucking chimps and the
gorillas will fucking
do that shit too. Yeah. And they fucking
show each other teeth. And,
it it's or their lips, they fucking crawl
them. Yeah. It's funny that humans, we do
that. Yeah. It is weird.
Like, we will start
making gestures
almost involuntarily.
Like, it it just Like the the the,
the cringe?
Like,
that's true. I never thought about that before,
but that's
you are showing your teeth. Yeah. He looks
back and showing your teeth.
Fucking crazy.
So so right now, he's in the middle
of trying to put the the truck in
gear. No. And he waits it it seems
like he waits for this guy to get
distracted
because he he does his movements
to get the truck in gear when the
guy's head turns away. They pull it out.
Drop it. Drop it. Like, he dropped it
into gear when the guy was looking away.
Yeah.
And then he goes.
And
if he didn't get shot,
then
I don't know how that happened.
Because you can hear the gunshot, and we're
at pretty much contact distance.
But
from what I understand, he did not get
shot. Yeah.
He did say owl, which is interesting too.
Was that three shots, or was that five
shots?
I think it was three.
Drop it now.
No. It's four. Four. Four. So now he's
down to one shot.
Two max.
Yeah.
And, you know, I I think it's pretty
common knowledge these days that,
bullets can go through cars. You know, a
38 can go through a car, or I
should say go through enough of the car
to hurt you. Yeah.
But it's also possible that we get to
this
that angle right there Below.
That that
b pillar
is because that was that was more of
a, like, a reactionary
shooting, not a Yeah.
Yeah. So,
anyway and then
he gets away and he stops and, you
know, people are like, well, he should've stopped.
Well, have you ever towed a car
that's in gear?
Like,
I haven't, but I'm gonna go ahead and
guess that you're probably not the most mobile
in that situation.
And it it's possible that this guy was
thinking that he was gonna have to end
up getting into a gunfight anyway.
Like, he wasn't gonna be able to get
far enough. Because that dude was chasing him.
Yeah. Oh, what did he do on the
cover?
He's got the pearl nail with nineteen eleven.
Now now it makes sense why he doesn't
carry it because he Yeah. He's like, this
thing's useless anyway.
Alright.
So from a training point of view, what
would we be,
what would we be talking about right here
when this guy is now out of the
car, gun in one hand, phone in the
other hand, in the middle of a neighborhood.
Well well well, first off, because I don't
think his
his
the gun position is horrendous.
It's I mean, that's the direction that the
threat was when we left him on the
side of the road. So it's not horrendous.
I mean, my only thing
is he's he's pretty exposed.
Yeah.
But I don't know where the bad guy's
at. So maybe the bad guy's on the
other side, and that's why he chose to
just stay there.
Per the ex he he does have a
position of advantage. Right. Position of advantage is
is the big thing here. And it's not
that
we know that this is a bad position
of advantage.
But if you look at where it's where
he's looking,
like, just being on the other side of
the door
could be a better position. Could be. Could.
But this is why, you know, you gotta
be careful when you look at these videos
that you don't draw too many conclusions because
you don't know everything that's happening. Correct.
So he's got the gun,
can't see if his finger's on the trigger
or not. We'll give him the benefit of
the doubt. He is keeping it relatively controlled.
Well, maybe not.
Well, it's still okay.
Yeah. I mean, it's he's not pointing it
at his own head.
We'll give him that.
So,
but then whatever
fires. What's that? He never shoots. As far
as I understand, he never shoots. I don't
wanna watch the whole clip to find out.
Oh, you're gonna Hi. Hi. I'm good. I'm
good. I'm good. I'm gonna call 911.
Okay.
So he's talking to somebody on the phone,
I think.
Or he might be talking to a dispatch,
to the tow company disc Yeah. Dispatch.
But he needs to communicate on his phone,
and he doesn't look like he's in an
area where he can ask somebody else to
do that.
Yeah. Because the other people ran inside earlier.
Yeah.
Alright. Alright. Alright.
So then
Oh, no. He's got a rifle mark right
here that I wanna talk about. So he
has a rifle now.
He's got a rifle,
but in order to use his phone, he
has to stow the firearms.
So this is this is why,
I'm not a big fan of of rifles
for home defense,
or in general for self defense
Mhmm. For civilians. Because
I've got my phone, and,
I wanna show you my my code. But
if if I do this,
like, I can do everything with one hand.
Now it's open, and I can dial 911
with one hand.
He has a rifle. He had a well,
at least he thinks,
maybe because of how the the brain's working
at the moment. He thinks he has to
put the rifle down. Because the the advantage
of the rifle is is the four points
of contact that if you don't have the
four points of contact, it's not that the
rifle is useless. It just you'd might as
well have a fucking handgun Mhmm. If you're
using it with one hand.
And and this is where people were like,
well, I I
my hand goes just so I could get
to my rifle. I was like, that's fucking
precious if this is fucking World War two
or World War three Mhmm. Coming soon.
But in a civilian environment, it's just
a a rifle isn't that practical. Because he
he can have his handgun right now. Mhmm.
Just in case. Right? Just just in case
the
the whole fucking neighborhood turns on him and,
but he's got no gun in his hand
now. Yeah.
So we look at probability, plausibility.
And
as a tow truck driver
in
an area of the country where tow truck
drivers are
it's a high risk job. Yeah.
And
maybe
that tow truck is
stored
more securely when it's not being used,
and you are more likely to find yourself
surrounded by a crowd of people
who wanna hurt you.
I'm seeing
like, we're getting closer to plausible
use of a rifle.
Yeah.
But still, it's severely limited.
Severely limited. And in this case,
probably didn't end up doing him any good.
Correct. The only thing I can say is
maybe
whoever was getting ready to,
or whoever he was dealing with,
saw him with the rifle and decided they
didn't want that kinda heat.
That's possible.
Correct.
So,
but right here is is the last thing
I wanted to look at. So he's he's
trying to call 911. We had a I
remember we did a class together a long
time ago, and we had some woman tell
us that her husband had gotten into a
road rage incident, and she couldn't remember how
to call 911.
Do you remember that? Vaguely. Yes. Yeah. And
he's so he's, like, he's got his phone
out a lot, but he finally
gets a chance to actually use it. I
gotta unlock my motherfucking shit. Rifle gets put
down. I got a Look how much attention
it takes for him.
Like,
you would never think that it would take
you that much to call 911 from your
phone.
Like, you know, you pick up your phone,
you unlock it real quick, hit phone, and
then now 911. But this dude, his attention
goes right into the phone Yeah.
And his movements are slower. Yeah. You know?
He's very deliberate. He's probably in a techy
psych care right now.
Yeah.
And while that's happening,
you're in a bad neighborhood.
You just got into a gunfight,
and here comes
a a beat up Nissan.
And,
you know,
so we talk about other people.
Right? Yeah. Because what what you're looking for
is more bad people that need to get
shot,
good people that can hurt you that don't
need to be shot,
people who need your help or who can
help you, position of advantage.
So here's potentially another bad person Yeah. Or
another good person.
Yep.
Now he's paying attention to them,
but Spector.
He had if you notice, he goes from
the the phone
back to the rifle.
Make it a
That's pretty interesting.
Like, okay. I've got I've got 911 called.
I successfully dialed the number. Here comes a
car.
Let me get my rifle back out Get
the rifle back out. As I turn around,
and he's looking right at them. So he's
letting them know that, you know, he that
that he sees them. Or or
even if he's not doing it on purpose
Correct. If they're looking at him, they're gonna
see somebody looking back at them with a
rifle in their hands.
And
I'm not gonna, like, I'm not gonna say
this guy did a good job or a
bad job. I don't really believe in that
anymore in most cases.
Yeah. I just wanna use this as
an example of a dynamic critical incident
that has
many of the things that we talk about
in our class, even the short version of
our class, even the the four hour range
version,
we get to this point in most of
the classes. Correct. The assessment
and
the,
well, assessment really is where we're at right
at this moment here.
So, anyway, I thought this was a pretty
interesting,
video, especially because we had such good audio
of what was going
on. Any anything else to
Nah. I I think this,
I think the more and more we watch
videos like this, it it hopefully highlights
the importance of
not choreographing your self defense
Mhmm. And instead work on your stimulus response
pattern and information processing.
Yeah. I wanna be able to recognize a
stimulus and have a response to a stimulus
Mhmm. Not an action, not a
this person's walking towards me. That's that's not
what we're talking about. We're talking about
if the gun fails, how do I fix
it without having to look at it? If,
I acknowledge a threat,
like, how do I work with my lower
center of gravity, my
hands up protectively? And and because now you've
your body's gonna do that whether you like
it or not. So the next thing is,
fuck. There's the attacker. Grab the gun if
it's appropriate.
Mhmm. So that that's what we're talking about.
It's not
notice teenager eating Skittles, kill them.
Like, that's that's not what we're talking about.
I actually just went back and relistened
to
so
CCW Safe has a podcast.
Are we done with this one?
Yeah.
CCW Safe has a podcast,
and
two of the people that are on that
podcast, one of them that's on there all
the time, one of them that's on there
sometimes, were both on George Zimmerman's defense.
And they
did a they did a three part
podcast
a couple years ago
where it was, like, they were revisiting
the case ten years later. Yeah. So ten
years later, and George Zimmerman's not guilty.
They can talk about almost anything that they
want.
They're they're they're bound by attorney client privilege,
really practically speaking, much less than they would
be
if they were anywhere close to the trial
or still in an appeal,
or anything like that. Yeah.
And they did criticize a couple of things
that George Zimmerman did, but
they talk about stuff that was in the
trial,
but nobody else knew about
Okay.
About
how
George Zimmerman,
didn't approach Trayvon.
He was out of his vehicle,
but Trayvon approached him
Mhmm. And,
that he basically started getting his ass beat.
And, like, he had splits on the back
of his head, concussion,
all the physical evidence
supported
that he was getting his ass beat
and that
it went on for a little bit before
he pulled his gun and fired. Yeah.
The question
would be,
why are you getting out of your car
in the first place?
What was the intent? What was the intent
of getting out of the car? What were
you staying as you were getting out of
the car? Yeah. And it's true that there
were burglaries
going on in that area, and it's true
that,
George Zimmerman decided that he was gonna take
it, you know, take the responsibility of
of patrolling the neighborhood.
But I think when people take on that
responsibility,
they don't really know what they're
asking for. Yeah. You know?
And this this actually played out in the
no kings protest in in Salt Lake City
where we had people on the safety team
who shot and killed an innocent bystander.
A child. Right? A baby? No. It was
a it was an adult.
I thought there was a baby killed there
too or at least shot. Well, the baby
killing happens every day
with,
Wrong
podcast.
But yeah. So
some guy
walks behind a wall,
pulls a rifle
out of a bag,
and starts walking
back towards the protest.
And our safety team
decides that this is a threat that needs
to be shot at,
and
they shoot
and basically wing
the apparent threat
and killed
a a bystander.
And
this is the safety team.
The safety team.
So you're gonna take on the responsibility
of thousands
of people
of varying
backgrounds,
intent,
temperament,
all of this stuff, you're gonna be in
charge of safety
for that? Do you have you have no
idea what you're doing?
Like That's crazy, dude. Extraordinarily
risky, and I bet that those people did
not really consider
the fact that they may have to shoot
somebody in a crowd.
What I'm really sad about with these these
protests
is that you gave me a shirt about
a year ago
that says no kings.
Can't wear it anymore.
Now you can't wear it. No. I can't
wear it.
Just because you don't wanna be associated with
these morons.
Because Yeah. I mean, I'm all about mean
it because they don't mean it. These these
these are highly
volatile situations,
and and you're walking around with a gun
calling yourself the safety team. I just I
just think that's moronic. Correct.
So,
anyway, let's look at the,
the
husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend.
Let me pull it back up.
I wonder if there's a better video of
that. There has to be. Kolyon has it,
but I don't think that he talks too
much Yeah.
As we're talking.
Well, if you're just gonna post the video,
like, post the video,
you know?
Let me go back to the
to the history.
I'm just making excuses. We're doing exactly the
same shit. Exactly the same shit. Yeah. But
it's okay if we do it. Yeah.
Super dope if we do it. History.
Alright.
Here we go.
Here we go. Oh, shit. Type in Houston
robbery into YouTube, you get
a lot of All all the robberies.
Alright. Here we go.
So this is when it first happens.
Alright. So
we got that surrender position.
Yeah.
And he's kinda resisting going down.
I mean, for all we know, he thinks
this is a cop.
Yeah. I mean,
I I think, initially, I think it takes
him a while to figure out. Wait a
minute. This is not a fucking cop. Yeah.
Because right about here
is when
he does start fighting a little bit, resisting
a little bit, if we were to watch
coming out or right before she's coming out.
So, like, you do see her.
We're gonna have to go
support. Forward?
Because it
later in the thing, it it picks up,
as she's coming out of the store.
Let me see.
I'm the police. I'm the police.
And
a masked man runs up with a flashlight
and gun wearing a vest with the word
martial on it. They told me I'm a
I'm a cop.
I'm the police. Get on the floor, and
I say I don't do anything. You only
see that one suspect in the video,
but Reyes says there was another person driving
the car he arrived in. Reyes says the
man forces him to the ground and soon
reveals his true intentions.
And when I hit him in the floor,
he told me he's a robbery. He's a
robbery. Oh, amateur dude. All from inside the
store. Okay. Here's here's his gums.
Quickly grabs a gun then confronts the guy's
backpack.
He runs. She she wrecks that slight twice.
Yeah. Process.
Reyes draws his own weapon.
He fires multiple rounds.
So we have one hand unnecessary one handed
shooting. Crawls to his Unnecessary one handed shooting.
Firing a final parting shot.
I
don't think he's ever gonna live that one
down.
The police told me they did a great
job.
No. You didn't.
Hey. If you if you win,
we like, at least you got that going
for you. Yeah. Yeah.
But, he should've said the police told me
my girlfriend did a great My girlfriend did
a great job. Yeah. You didn't do shit,
foo.
I mean, it it's tough. Right? Because somebody's
telling you you're the I'm the cops.
Your your first reaction is probably, what the
fuck did I do? I didn't do shit.
Yeah. Your first reaction is probably not fight
these people. You probably Well, and we've talked
about this before. Dude's got a gun gun
drawn on him,
you know, at close range. There's not much
you can do Yeah. Other than wait for
for Wait for an opportunity. For that opportunity.
Yeah.
Let's go back to her shooting real quick.
Alright. So the timer goes off right here,
or where does the timer go off? The
timer yeah. The the timer goes beep
right there. Beep.
One, two Oh, gosh. She's slow. Slow. Quickly
grab the gun. Beep. I'm a pet. She
just like
She didn't know this guy wasn't out of
cop. I guess she just thought her husband's
being robbed. She probably didn't see the vest.
He fires multiple rounds. She didn't give a
That's a that's a g of a of
a fucking wife. She's like, I don't give
a fuck who it is.
I don't know. I've we've never met a
dude named Marshall.
The fuck is this guy named Marshall? Why
does a robber have his name on his
fucking chest?
Well, we're wearing name tags now? Yeah. Because,
because, obviously, they're from Puerto Rico or the
fucking,
Doctor.
Yeah.
Alright. So let's go back if we can
go back to the first shot. Look at
that grip. Oh, shit.
Her first shot? Yeah. If if we can.
You're not gonna hurt my feelings, buddy. From
inside the store Keep watching this.
Quickly grab the gun. Dude, she came to
the door like a g too.
But then, look, she has to rack it.
K.
And that shot is
about eight feet, nine feet.
So
did it malfunction? She's probably got a Jennings.
That looks like a Jennings.
Yeah. Like, it legit does look like a
Jennings.
He runs, losing his shoes and his gun
in the process.
Oh, so they zoom in. They don't show
her shooting.
Now we're look at this distance. We're
what would you say? This is about 25
feet? So he's probably
still about 15 ish feet, and she's probably
closer to the 20 ish. So we can
use the parking lot line,
and I think that those are 20 feet
long.
For the cars?
And he's a little bit beyond that, and
she's back.
So we could be Oh, yeah. Yeah. Coaching
30 feet here. For her? For her. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I bet It doesn't need to be
30 feet. She she's doing two things at
once. She's trying to manage the door
and shooting at the same time.
When you go to La Bultana.
He guards multiple
rounds, at least one of which hits the
suspect,
then crawled to his This reaction is never
gonna get old.
Yeah. And and we can't tell from the
video if he's shooting at the car as
it's driving away. It's possible.
Very likely that that's what he's shooting at.
What did I miss? Not as much as
these people.
Car drives away. That's what he's told me.
Yeah. This is wrong. This is wrong.
I'm a call up, be like, you better
fucking correct that.
That's a wild one. You know? And when
you're watching a video like that,
you can't take as many I think it's
harder to take as many things away because
the video is so broken up,
and the news is, like, zooming in here
and zooming in here and changing the timeline
and stuff.
But what I think we can take from
a lot of these videos is just looking
at the elements that
are part of that dynamic critical incident.
Yeah.
So surprising,
obviously.
Yep. Like, I'm sure he didn't go to
work that day thinking
Marshall is gonna pose as a cop
and then rob me. And then my girlfriend
or wife or business partner, whoever,
is gonna come outside with her empty three
eighty
and try to defend me.
So definitely surprising,
definitely chaotic.
He thought one thing was happening, and then
it turns out something else is happening.
And
the bad guy is is,
in the same boat except for the the
surprising part.
The bad guy is definitely dealing with chaos
with both his shoes and his gun were
flying,
And he has to decide what's more important
to him. What's more important to
him? It's hilarious.
And then the threatening part, like, I think,
I think that the more I watch these
videos, the more I start to understand how
confusing
movement and your environment can be to you
if you haven't really trained
for
that stimulus response
of what should I be doing right now?
Correct.
What is a useful thing to do right
now? This is where the people confuse. We've
said this before. This is where people confuse
freeze. People think we have fight, flight, or
freeze.
It's not really freeze. It it it seems
like freeze, but
your brain just doesn't have a a response
to a stimulus.
So it's it's quite literally just trying to
figure out what the fuck do I do
right now. Yeah. You're not frozen.
You just don't know what to do. So
I get it. It's it's it's similar.
Freezes,
freezes unable to do. Correct. And what what's
happening here is,
going through all the possible options of what
to do Correct. And trying to figure out
which one is the
most beneficial or least harmful.
Correct.
And it's not intuitive
when it's a gunfight. For sure, it's not
intuitive what the next best thing to do
is,
Or I should say it's not always intuitive.
You do see people
intuitively
going for cover or concealment
when they think they're being shot at. That
that we see quite a bit.
They don't use it necessarily effectively,
but they're they're kinda drawn to the perceived
safety Yeah. Of of a barrier.
Correct.
So,
but she she was moving in and around
the doorway
while her boyfriend is still outside on the
ground,
so he's not in a safe place. And
and she's the fighter at the moment. Right?
She has the means to defend. Correct. And
she's getting further away from the attacker.
Well And She'd he does draw a gun.
Our good guy? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know
that. He had his own gun? Yeah. He
ends up pulling his own gun. Oh,
okay. Yeah. Okay.
That's why he stood in that position. I
think he just got close to to that
killer. I thought she may have handed off
the gun to him. No. No. He drew
his own gun. Okay. She's still trying to
shoot as as she's trying to go back
inside.
And then she comes back and then tries
to pull him away.
Okay. And he continues shooting
because now he's the man. So now he's
Let me go. She's like, girl, what are
you doing on the floor?
Get up.
Now that
now that he she saved him, now he's
like, no. No. No. Let it go. I
woulda got him. I woulda got him.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
That's not something I'd want to be on
video. I gotta say if I were him,
I wouldn't be super stoked about that being
out on on the Internet.
And it's nothing really in the like, I
don't think
like I said, I I I'm I try
really hard not to put,
you know,
value, like, good, bad on it because
many many of these people have never been
in anything like this before. And when you're
in completely unknown territory, you
you really don't
know what you're gonna do.
And in the moment, you may not even
know what you should be doing. Yeah. I
mean, there there is the impulse to defend,
but how how are you doing it? You
know? This guy thought he was being
arrested, and all of a sudden, he finds
out it's a robbery, and now his girlfriend's
shooting at the guy. That's a lot of
change to to process in a short amount
of time. Right.
But And and and that kind of bleeds
into
gun websites question is,
I think
for the most part,
none of those would be good because of
that. It's
it's not good information processing. So if you
go to, like, an action shooting match,
IDPA, USPSA, even ours,
concealed carry cup, our competitions.
Regardless of how much you try and mimic
concealed carry, it's still a game, and your
brain is not really in.
It's choreographed.
Like, you have to be told where to
go, how to go, why to go.
It's not as organic as,
because I I can't create a competition that's
relatively safe,
that is very
dynamic,
that it's fucking
what what what are those those games? Pick
your own ending or pick your own Oh,
choose your own adventure? Yeah. Choose your own
adventure. Like, you can't because at some point,
it becomes reckless.
But that would be a a good
processing of information. Right? Go to this door.
Go to that door. Like, that's
but you can't.
Like, there's nothing about this real life situation
that you can mimic
in a
in a,
at the range other than processing information, learn
how to
process information, work on your stimulus response pattern.
Mhmm. Everything else is just choreographed.
Now there's very few humans that I would
I would say are good at, like, the
airsoft stuff,
like setting up environments where you you truly
do work on on that.
Well, so like of them are are worried
about the scenario. This bad guy pulls out
a gun, and then you have to shoot
him.
Like, that's not real because I already know
what's gonna happen. I already know after this,
I'm gonna go home. So this topic came
up in one of the recent classes I
did. We were talking about, you know, not
choreographing or shooting, and
and yet here we are on a shooting
range
with the target
in front of us. In front of us.
And,
you know, how is that not the same
thing as as choreographing a scenario?
And
one of the points I made is that
what we're doing
in the concealed carry range class is part
of a
longer day. Correct. And
the
end of that longer day is supposed to
get you to a point where you're not
facing your target.
Correct. You don't know which direction you'll be
facing when
the stimulus is is,
is given to you. Correct. And the stimulus
that we give is not a shoot command.
It's an up command.
And it starts off as an up command,
like,
it sounds like I'm telling you to bring
your gun up, but I'm not really telling
you to bring your gun up.
What I'm ultimately getting you to the point
is
look up
and find
the problem.
Correct. And then once you've identified the problem
and you've identified
the
the bad guy that needs to be shot,
but also the distance that you need to
shoot at and the size of the target,
Once you've done all that,
then you shoot.
So I'm not choreographing
to some degree in the in the in
the range, you can't get away from the
fact that you're at the range. Correct.
But we're trying to get rid of as
many possible
choreographed factors as we as we safely can
do.
Correct. Yeah. Like, we don't we don't wanna
say shoot three times. Mhmm. And then after
you shoot him three times in the chest,
shoot him twice in the head. Right. Like,
we're not doing that. We're not doing El
Presidente drills because there's a lot of self
defense classes where that's what it is. It
it's Mhmm. Let's do a dot torture.
Yeah.
And, like, that's that that's it's fun, but
it's it's choreographing.
And I wanna get to a point where
I'm processing information.
This is why we do a lot more
cognitive stuff. Mhmm. Two plus three and,
stuff that many other programs do. But,
then they add the choreographing shit. Like, we
wanna get away from the choreographing stuff.
While we understand this is just we're still
at a racetrack. We're still at a range.
We're still
in make believe land. Yeah. And and because
of it, we could only do stimulus response,
work on processing information. Some of it is
is the mechanics,
how to bring the gun up out of
the holster and and present it properly. But,
yeah, in in in the four hours, all
of that gets lost because
it's only four hours. Shit. We don't even
get to to
to drawing of a firearm.
Mhmm. We're only giving you a a a
little,
snippet about it.
And and most humans are not even ready
to draw from the fucking holster Mhmm.
Which we're slowly segueing into what I wanna
talk about. You were about to say something,
but I I was just gonna say one
of the other pieces of feedback I got
at in the debrief was one guy was
saying,
I wish you would use some other commands
rather than just up.
You know?
And I thought about it for a second,
and I was like,
I I get where you're coming from, but
no.
That up command is supposed to get you
to look for
what where that you think the problem is
coming from.
I don't know other what other reasonable word
there is to do that.
Yeah. I mean, we can
change it to I could say look, I
guess. Yeah. I guess.
But then you're just gonna look, and then
you're not gonna shoot. Yeah.
You could say fire, but that can mean
burning. Yeah. Well and I don't wanna say
fire because Correct. If I give you a
command that you don't understand,
like, if I say two times three and
you're like, I can't do two times three,
or more realistically, we say first number of
your phone number.
That's I'm not saying fire. I'm saying
identify Solve the fucking problem. Yeah. Solve the
problem and then decide what you're gonna do
about it. Correct.
So,
I mean, because we do give different commands
and up. Right? Saying first, somebody her phone
number is a different command. Giving a number
I love this dude.
Using a number,
you know, calling out 4 instead of,
I'm asking you to shoot number 4. You
know?
So I I guess I understood,
but my my default was back to, like,
I'm not giving you a shoot command. I'm
giving you a threat command.
Correct.
Right? And
that threat is unknown until you identify it.
So loud bang going off behind you, your
brain will process that as a threat in
most contexts.
And so
your brain is going to orient towards that
stimulus and then decide, is this a threat
I need to worry about
or not?
Correct.
So, anyway, what what were you
gonna talk about?
This
I I think it's it's
we're seeing this more and more.
We've always known this,
but we're seeing this more and more now
that we're doing the new version of the
concealed carry classes,
which adds an element
of the firing range from IDS,
which I'm I'm all for.
But you you see this idea that people
believe that a concealed carry class is a
one zero one class. Mhmm.
So we get a lot of that feedback
of, like, well,
I wish you would have spent more time
teaching us how to grip the gun.
It's like, but you're about to go carry
a gun for concealment. Like, this is this
is a class
that is going to show,
supposedly,
proof that you're ready to carry a gun
for concealment. Like, we should be past
this idea of,
let me let me spend an absorbent amount
of time teaching
40 students, 60 students, 12 students, 10 students,
whatever,
how to properly grip a gun. Not that
that's not a worthy thing to talk about
individually
if the student needs it,
But a lot of humans think that we're,
a concealed carry class ought to spend time
teaching you how to clean a gun.
Mhmm.
Teaching you how to,
break open your your your fucking shotgun and
or how to disassemble your your Glock. Mhmm.
Or talk to me about legal stuff. Like,
that's not what a concealed carry class is.
Like, this is
to prepare you to defend yourself if the
need arises.
Mhmm. Like, I don't I don't believe that
a a concealed carry class
should be teaching,
how to clean a gun. Like, a a
concealed carry class should not be teaching
how to
use, sites to a certain degree. Again, we
we teach it as needed in in the
class. Like, some people don't know how to
do that. And then we gauge it and
and but, like, you're ready to start
carrying a gun for self defense. I should
not
be spending
two hours of the four hours that I
have with you
on on a on how to clean the
gun, on how
where you can and cannot carry. I mean,
some of it, unfortunately, we now legally have
to,
even if we just skim through it.
But a one zero one class and a
CCW class is not. And the only the
only reason why I I separate them is
because
people who want a one zero one class
may be
really good at,
how to grip a gun and and how
to align your sights,
but they're not ready to carry a gun.
Mhmm. Like, you can see it in them.
They're they're just not ready to carry a
gun. They're just not there. There's a lot
of noobs that we get
that,
have zero fucking clue and perform.
And and I get it. We're just performing
now. We're not applying
anything. We're they're they're doing better
at the things than everybody else there. They're
like, I've never I've never shot the gun.
I've because they don't come in with any
preconceived ideas.
You get a lot of people that come
in with preconceived ideas of what a concealed
carry class may be. They're like, oh, you're
not ready to carry a a gun out
of That's something I see a lot is
people will will go to a class with
a bunch of other people and say, you
know, nine out of the 10 of these
people are not shouldn't be carrying a gun.
Well, just because you guys went to the
class does not mean that they are going
to carry a gun. Correct.
And they're like, I wouldn't feel safe next
to this person.
You've probably been around people like this your
whole life. Your whole fucking life.
And you didn't know it. You know?
I'm sorry your your feelings got hurt,
but
the,
the point of being there really should be
that everybody gets a chance to learn something.
You know? And and whatever standard you think
that people should be up to is is
bullshit because that's not gonna happen in a
class. There is no standard for self defense,
and everybody needs to start somewhere. Correct.
And, yeah, I bet you there are plenty
of people who show up to a concealed
carry class and pass,
and they get home and they're like, yeah.
I passed, but
there's no way I'm carrying a gun. Yeah.
I'm not ready.
You know? And that class gave them the
opportunity to see that for themselves.
And and that doesn't mean it was a
good class. It just you just don't know
the way that people
are processing that information because the opposite is
also true. Somebody takes any class and says,
okay. I took class. I'm good to go.
And
they they're taking the wrong information away from
that class. Maybe you're not good to go.
You think you're good to go because you
passed a class,
a government mandated class,
so that obviously means that you're qualified.
And
it's it's extraordinarily complex, and I do see
why people bring it up and ask the
questions.
Definitely see why.
But,
yeah, I mean, this is a class to
prepare you to use a firearm to shoot
somebody.
It's not much else than that.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's it's it's a it's a really
yeah. Fucking yeah. The website.
Choosing nine millimeters is like giving up your
rights. It's choosing a failure.
He's wrong.
Back in my day in Arizona, CCW class
was sixteen hours, so it went into depth.
Let me ask you, mister gun websites, because
I can't remember your first name.
How much time have you spent
learning about firearms?
And then ask yourself what percentage of that
time is sixteen hours.
And then say, is that in-depth or not?
Because for me, sixteen hours is like a
like,
probably that I spend that in a week
as far as learning about more about guns
and self defense.
So sixteen hours is not in-depth,
and it doesn't really matter
if you're forced to be there. It could
be as in-depth as a college course. If
you don't wanna be there, you're not gonna
learn anything.
And if you do wanna be there and
you do wanna learn, then the sixteen hours
is just gonna be part of the story
of you developing your knowledge,
which maybe encapsulates
5% of gun owners, I think. That's that's
the number I'm I think, is accurate. If
you if you think about,
like, in in sixteen hours, like, if you
if you talk about
just general history, you you
in sixteen hours, I don't think you can
complete
a general history
of concealed carry in modern day.
Like, even just
even just,
from gen one, gen two, gen three
instructors. I think we're now close to gen
four instructors.
Maybe we are in gen four instructors. Right?
Because you've got your gen ones being okay
with pointing guns at cameraman
and fingers on triggers. Yeah.
You you've got you've got your gen ones.
Right? We we talk about Cooper probably is
is in that bunch and and Weaver and
and all those those people that came in
there,
maybe even Clint Smith. I think Clint Smith
is probably considered more gen two,
and
and all that stuff. So we go back,
like, I don't in sixteen hours, I I
think you can barely start to to kinda
scratch the surface on why we have the
the 21 foot rule and why Tueller
said that the 21 foot rule is stupid
because people misunderstand
it or Jeff Cooper's
four rules and how they're fucking stupid and
and why there's better rules. And
and and Cooper talks about what its its
actual purpose of the four rules were. Clint
Smith talks about that as well.
Because if I'm not mistaken, Clint Smith was
with Cooper for a while out at at
Gunsite in Arizona.
I think website knows this better than than
I do. Yeah. He's probably the historian here
on all of this. So, like, if if
because
knowing the history
of why
things work and why they don't, like, a
lot of people is like, well,
I get the old timers that talk about
hammered guns and revolvers and and and shit
like that. So, yeah, but we have to
look at the history of, like, when you
were growing up, a a fucking revolver
was probably the best option. Like, I I
know why you think
it's the best option because you're old. Mhmm.
And
back in the nineties,
what kind of guns did we have? We
had the fucking Ruger p eighties, and we
we had the the Smith and Wesson tank
machines and the fucking
like, there were a lot of chunky guns.
Everybody rejected the Glock.
Not too many people wanted the Glock
because plastic and and,
people, like, felt feeling penises and shit in
their hands. So they're like, let's let's get
let's get chunky guns. So the best option
is is a snubs snub nose revolver.
If we look at the history,
there there's a book written about how the
38 is the deadliest gun alive and then
quickly debunked. Well, yeah. I mean, if you
look at caliber,
just understanding the development of modern
handgun calibers,
that could easily take sixteen hours if you
wanna do it right. You know? And and
gun website says,
because we went into or could you know,
class was sixteen hours, so it went into
depth because we would run out of stuff
to talk about for that long. Me personally,
if I was forced to be in a
classroom for sixteen hours and we were talking
about guns and self defense,
I wouldn't run out of things to talk
about, not because I know all this stuff.
I wouldn't run out of questions.
So if you have people there who run
out of things to talk about, it's probably
because they don't really wanna be there.
If you wanted to be there,
you really wouldn't run out of things to
talk about.
So and I like, I'm just kinda projecting
how who knows? I wasn't there. I wasn't
in this class. I I I'm might be
talking out of my ass, but I I
know from experience that when you have a
class full of people and you say any
questions or what you know, does anybody wanna
talk more about this or gun websites gave
me some cool examples of of questions to
ask the class to solicit questions back, you
know, and nobody wants to talk, that means
nobody wants to be there. Correct. Like, they
wanna be done and they wanna leave.
And Yeah. You can't force them
to want to be there. Correct. You can't
force them to wanna learn.
The only ones that were CCW ing back
then was
Rangemaster. What the fuck's his name? I'm I'm
missing his
Givens?
Givens. Tom Givens. Yeah. He was doing a
lot of CCW ing back then.
Yeah. So CCW was popular in in a
few places in the country.
Well, shit. Colorado didn't get it. It's, like,
current permit style till till the February.
Mhmm.
Texas got it pretty fucking late as well,
if if I'm not mistaken, in in the
nineties
for their their permit processing. So a lot
of human and and that's it. It is
in order to I think, I I genuinely
believe this,
and not everybody's here. And I get
I always have to distinguish between what, what
is the purpose of you going to a
class, and you should understand this. And a
concealed carry class, especially with us, I believe,
is a good starting point.
But you have to be realistic about why
you're there,
because I truly believe in order for me
to choose a proper gun,
I have to understand the history of of
why they make certain guns. Like, why hammered
guns? Why striker fired guns? Because now I
understand, like, oh, shit. Now I understand the
logic. Now now I understand the the intent.
Now I understand the the history of and
and that gets me to think about physics,
and that gets me to think about the
how it it it actually moves and and
the moment of inertia and all that that
fucking nerdy shit.
And,
the 21 foot rule, a lot of people
use the the word, oh, the 21 foot
rule.
And then, like, yeah. But study it. Even
Dennis Tuller talks about how a lot of
instructors bastardize the 21 foot rule and
and how to he makes the point that
it's not a rule.
Yeah. And Yeah. That but people misinterpreted it
as a rule. Correct.
He makes the point that it was an
experiment
meant to gather some useful information
about human reaction time,
which it did.
It didn't gather perfect information about human reaction
time, but he was working with what he
knew. You know?
We have to recognize
how information develops.
And I think a lot of people
think of information as static.
And
that's, you know, that's not how we develop
skills. That's not how we develop knowledge. We
don't, you know, these ideas should not be
static. So he gets I give him a
huge amount of credit for experimenting and trying
different things. And then also after it was
all over,
acknowledging the limitations of what he was trying
to do. Correct. Like a real scientist.
Correct. So,
But but everybody hangs on to that. Everybody
hangs on to to that little piece of
it. And we do that with everything. Right?
Everybody thinks that we only use 10% of
our brain. Mhmm.
Everybody thinks Mount Everest is the tallest mountain
in the world. Everybody thinks Mount Everest is
the tallest mountain in the fucking world. And
it just gets repeated, but it's not true
because somebody at one point said,
the
that we only understand 10% of the brain.
So they say they thought we they, like,
they bastardized it. Right? Like, yeah, Mount Everest
is the tallest mountain from sea level. Mhmm.
But it's not if you measure it from
its true height, it it's it's not the
tallest. It sheds in South America.
So but we just repeat this stuff, and
and we don't even care to question. And
this is why,
like, when when you're going to classes, like,
are you really serious? Like, if you want
to just shoot the fucker in the face,
then any gun will do. Mhmm. Like, there
is no choosing a right gun. Quit fucking
telling yourself I wanna choose the right gun
because you you if all you're interested in
just shooting the fucker when he's trying to
fucking put his pee pee in you and
you said no, and just any fucking gun
will do.
But we pretend like well, this is what
my brother said. This is what my cousin
said. This is what my best friend said.
And then we end up at the wrong
classes.
Now most humans don't know where to start,
but and and I respect, and I I
get in and and I understand that. But
there's a lot of humans that come to
concealed carry class. I think you kinda made
this point is
you should say take a step back and
go to, like, a one zero one class.
Be like, fuck. I need to learn how
the fucking trigger works.
Well,
yes and no. Yeah.
I I think that you do this the
way that I do it. But
when I tell people to load their guns
before we start the first,
shooting exercise,
I don't tell them how.
I just tell them to load their guns.
Load them. I don't assume that everybody knows
how to do it, but I also don't
assume that everybody doesn't know how to do
it.
And
in most of my classes,
I don't maybe I gotta tell one person
what to do.
Right? And so
do they need a one on one class?
What do you what are we gonna talk
about in the one on one class? Yeah.
Are you gonna learn how to load your
gun in the one on one class? Because
we already proved that you don't even need
that.
And I show grip because
modern
defensive handgun grip is counterintuitive
to what almost everybody thinks they know about
gripping a gun. So we're gonna go ahead
and talk about that, but we're not gonna
spend very much time on it. I'm just
gonna show it to you once,
and then I'm gonna tell you to do
it. And anybody who doesn't do it right,
I'm gonna correct it.
Well, that means that there are gonna people
be people who are doing it right, so
we don't need to spend a lot of
time on that either.
And then we talk about, you know,
pressing the trigger, and I'm just gonna talk
you through the motion.
And we're just gonna do that a couple
of times.
And, like, do I need a one zero
one class for that? Correct. No. And and
so I've had a lot of people
now that we're doing the full on range
class with the classroom class and people come
to the classroom class and they say
they're really nervous about having to take the
range class, which is totally fine because I'm
asking you to come to a class with
with a bunch of strangers who are all
gonna pull out their guns and start shooting
them. And I can understand why that would
make you nervous, especially if you don't think
you know what you're doing.
But I have to make the point to
them that this class is for everyone.
Yeah. The class is for
the people who've been
shooting their whole lives,
the people who have never touched a gun
before, the people who are afraid of the
gun, the people who are confident
and don't know what they're doing. Yeah.
It's for
everyone.
And if I
if I try to tell people,
you know, before you come to this class,
you should know this, this, and this.
That is going to stop the learning process
for a bunch of those people
because they're gonna be like, oh, I can't
take that class until I do this.
So I think the point you're making is
that this class is not supposed to be
everything
about
safe responsible gun ownership. This is a very
specific part of safe responsible gun ownership.
And, yeah, there are other things you should
be learning and doing. That's not what this
class is about.
If you wanna learn how to properly clean
your handgun and you wanna go find a
class to do that, great. We're not doing
that today.
Right? This
if you come in here and you know
everything about cleaning a gun, awesome. If you
don't know anything about cleaning a gun, awesome.
I don't care either way
because we're here to learn how to shoot
a bad guy
efficiently and consistently
and not much else. Yeah.
Yeah, it did.
Think
Go ahead. I think with the idea of
a one zero one type class
for
gun handling and defensive
use of a firearm
is counterproductive
because
all of that should be in context.
We should be doing that in the context
of you actually having to do it. Correct.
So if we take you aside and be
like, okay. Here's how you rack the slide
and well, no. Why don't we just learn
how to do it as if somebody's attacking
you?
So because and this came up for me
when we were doing the we were doing
the one on one class, and I was
having,
Randy help me teach those. And I I
came to the conclusion very quickly,
this is probably counterproductive.
Yeah.
Some of it could I I think you
could do it
in a productive way, but I think a
lot of that stuff is,
you know, like, one of the things you
run into on the range is people treat
it as if it's the range.
Well, that problem's gonna be compounded if you're
in a classroom doing that stuff.
Nobody's gonna be treating it as anything close
to real if you're sitting in a one
zero one class learning how to, you know,
load numb load unload the gun.
So
this is, like, what I mean when I
say that this program
is
not super wide,
but it's super deep
because all the instructors
that participate in this program think about this
stuff constantly.
And they hash you know, they have these
conversations, and they they play this out in
their head and, like, what are we risking
if we do it this way? What's the
benefit if we do it this way? What
what need are we not meeting?
And, you know, all of that stuff.
Whereas, you know, when I first started as
a firearms instructor, it was like, okay. That
guy's teaching that. That guy's teaching that, and
I think I could do that. You know?
It's like,
completely different.
So
yeah. I don't know. Yeah. No. That's that's
just it is
this this wanting to
to take
and and it's a it's a mentality thing.
It's, oh, I thought we were here to
to learn,
about how to grip the gun. Yeah. But,
like, I can show you that shit in
fucking thirty seconds. Mhmm. We'll be done. And
then And also, if you
if you really suck at it, we're gonna
spend more time on it. Yeah. But if
you suck at other things more, we're gonna
spend time on that stuff.
Correct. If your grip is good enough,
we're gonna spend spend our time doing the
other things. Correct.
Yeah.
Because it it's
now, again, there are some humans that show
up and, like, okay. You need to take,
go to the range with another instructor, not
us. Yeah. You basically want it that if
they're gonna shoot themselves or somebody else, then
it doesn't happen on your watch. Just fucking
go somewhere else. Right? Because
here here's
I I I posted
on rally for our rights,
And what I posted on rally for our
rights,
I don't know if if I can bring
it up. But if I can, I'll I'll,
I'll show you guys.
But it it was basically talking about instructors
who are getting verified in every fucking county
for no fucking reason
and how that that's becoming
detrimental,
how that's gonna become
difficult for us to
to fight.
And
somebody made a a comment on there, and
I'll see if I can if I can
find it.
And we'll see if you kind of agree
or if you don't agree.
I don't post on my
my shit all that often,
but
here we go. Let me see if all
the porn tabs are off.
So this this comment right here can you
see it?
Yep.
K. Well, most instructors are just next level
used car salesman, so it checks out.
So and it was just the post. Instructors
were getting verified in every county. Are you
are you an admin on there? Or how
how did you oh, you just posted on
their page. I just posted on their page.
Yeah. Okay.
Alright. So you posted that, and then what
it did did you get pushback from anybody
on that? No. No. Because none of the
instructors are gonna pushback because they they know
they're wrong. No. They don't know they're wrong.
They just don't know how to argue.
Which is fair. And when he posted that,
when he when he made that comment, like,
one, I had no response to it because
I wanna be witty. We're like, And, like,
I have no argument because it's 100%
true. Mhmm. But I think that's that's the
the the
the type of shit
that makes students believe
that this is a
is it progressive or successive?
The training should be successive,
like, step one. You yeah. You could use
any either word there. And and and it's
not. Right? Like, self defense is is not
either way. The way we'd run it, the
intuitive defensive shooting,
is we want you to show up to
the IDS only so you understand the concepts.
Mhmm. It's it's not a
a first class
type shit. It's just we want you to
understand the concepts.
Understand the concepts, understand the principles, and then
after that, you can take APH, Advanced Pistol
Handling. You could take,
unorthodox
positions,
two person armed defense,
all that stuff. The the very first one
is not like you you have to do
this because it's a one zero one or
a one zero two. Like, no. It it
just make sure you understand the concepts.
Because if you don't understand the concepts here,
then you're gonna really suck and struggle
Yeah. In the other classes. Yeah. That's it.
But it it is 100%
true, and and I'm starting to become very,
very vocal about this.
And and
I struggle with it because a lot of
our friends
run businesses that are on this model. And
and, hopefully, they take it just as a
challenge. But when you have instructors who's who
sell you on +1 01,
+1 02,
+1 03,
+1 04. I get it. Some students want
to learn how to clean their gun and
and fuck it. If they'll pay for it,
why not do a class on how to
clean your gun? Even though but, like, people
ask me,
hey. Will you do a class about cleaning
your gun? I was like, no. Just fucking
take it apart and start scrubbing that bitch.
Like, I don't know what the fuck you
want me to tell you. Like, there's no
magic
in cleaning a gun. Just Yeah. Go buy
some fucking REM oil. It kinda reminds me
of,
if you've ever asked a mechanic
how to do something on your car, because
this is kinda to gun website's point, you
know, you'll you you wanna learn something about
your car and you're like, okay. Well, when
you change the oil, do you do this?
And they're like, well, I kinda like to
do it like this. And then you go
talk to another mechanic, and they're like, dude,
don't ever do that. And you go talk
to another mechanic. He's like, yeah. Well, it
depends on the car. And now you're like,
well, I learned from a mechanic, but do
you understand the concept of
how oil works in the car? Correct. And
then, you know, the the
efficient way to to change that rather than,
like, trying to hunt down, like, all these,
like, expert opinions
about something that's
pretty simple, especially in 2025 when the gun
barely even needs to be cleaned. Correct. Yeah.
So Well, I I heard you have to
clean it at it after every time you
look at it. Yeah. Yeah. Just
people are are baffled at me when I
was like, I I clean it when I
need to. Like, well, how do you know
you need to? Like, I look at it,
and I'm like, oh, it needs to be
cleaned.
Like, it's really that that fucking simple. Like,
it you if you shoot it enough, you'll
see
that it needs to be clean or doesn't
need to be clean. Yeah. But it's shit
like
that. So,
yeah, this idea of, like,
progressing
skills and training,
I believe I talked I asked you about
this when we were deep in cartel territory
in in,
in, south of the border.
Most of the circumstances
that you would need to use a handgun
are pretty much covered
in the
IDS,
intuitive defensive
shooting class. Correct.
If we're looking at, you know, the pie
chart of
likely circumstance plausibility,
probability,
possibility,
you're you the biggest
thing is, you know, how to safely deploy
the handgun and how to effectively deploy the
handgun
and then how to
not stand still when you're doing that.
And then from there, you're just working on
getting better. So the advanced pistol handling focuses
on more on things like
one handed shooting
or,
what what are some of the other things
covered in the, advanced pistol handling class?
That's when you start to get into the,
nondiagnostic
linear malfunctions.
Mhmm. So, like, how can I
clear a malfunction without looking at my firearm?
But we do that in
the IDS class. I guess we do it
when it comes up. Right? Only when it
comes up. Like, it's not part of the
curriculum. Okay. It's not part of the curriculum.
We we do it. Fun when that comes
up on the first couple of rounds.
Because you're like, it's way too early to
talk about this. Dude, last Sunday, I had
a fucking,
a nineteen eleven. Go figure.
A Kimber 1911, and this chick's like, well,
my my boyfriend, he's the one that got
this for for me. I was like, well,
that's what happens. You end up with fucking
shitty guns. Get a new boyfriend. Get a
new fucking boyfriend and a new gun. After
after you get a new gun. After you
yeah. And, for those of you guys kinda
wondering, this is what what we talk about
is possible, plausible, probable. And,
yeah. So it it's,
this gun kept malfunctioning. Like, fuck. I guess
we need to talk about
the the malfunction stuff. But we only talk
about if we need to. In the advanced
pistol handling, it's it's an explicit thing. Like,
we we are gonna talk about
the proper way in a defensive shooting
context how to
clear malfunction
so you don't have to look at the
firearm. And it's a linear thing. If this
happens, then you ought to do this and
the shit that you should should be practicing.
Yeah. And and a lot of it is
just,
that. Right? Like, we we we are talking
about, like, IDS,
our intuitive defensive shooting covers this.
It's the most likely of things to happen.
It's it's a probability.
It enter it starts to move and creep
in here, and then you talk about the
plausible. Well, how likely is it for your
gun to malfunction during a fight?
Not very likely, but not zero. So let
let's talk about it.
And,
unorthodox position is also right around this area.
Like, how likely is it for you to
have to shoot while you're laying down? Not
very likely, but it's not zero. So that's
that's that's,
but So more shooting positions,
malfunctions,
one hand more one handed shooting. Because sometimes
in an IDS class, you know, you probably
would spend a little time doing some
some one handed shooting if you were doing
the full eight hour class. If you're doing
the full eight hour class on it in
the concealed carry class.
And
but, yeah, it's still the same concepts and
principles, and it's like the the more you
understand them, the more the answers to the
questions you have become apparent.
Correct.
Yeah.
And and this is why
people should not confuse
a concealed carry class with a one zero
one class. A concealed carry class is to
start thinking about self defense,
not how to clean your gun. Like, nah,
any of that stuff. It let let's we
need to think about
shit has hit the fan.
Now what?
Mhmm. And it's a completely different mindset.
It's a it's a completely different mindset. The
the quality of students and I don't say
this in a bad thing, but the quality
of students are is significantly
different in an IDS class Mhmm. Than a
concealed carry class.
Yeah. Well, for the most part, the concealed
carry class is full of people who have
to be there, not who wanna be there.
Correct.
And,
you know, this is another thing that comes
up a lot as people are very concerned
about the
untrained
gun owning public.
Gun gun websites.
Yeah. May maybe laying down is a more
plausible more probable. More probable thing. Especially if
you hang out with the the lot lizards
a lot. The lot lizards. The lot lizards.
So most people who carry a gun in
public
have
effectively
zero training.
Most people who carry a gun lawfully in
public
have effectively zero training. Zero training.
And yet we don't have guns going off
at grocery stores,
accidentally.
It's it's it's actually relatively rare that an
innocent bystander gets shot,
and it's more likely in scenarios where that
person really should have not
not even used the gun.
So
the the general risk is is more like,
are you going to be successful when you
use the gun to defend yourself, not so
much the threat to the general public. And
and accidents at home with guns has gone
down significantly
since the sixties,
to the point where it's one of the
least likely,
home accidents you're gonna have.
So
you have all these indicators pointing to
people don't train,
and the risk remains
low, relatively speaking.
Yeah.
So what is this?
Heat waves kill more people than guns?
So if you ask Google, do people just
because you brought up how rare it is
for Mhmm. Accidents happen, do people in Europe
die from heat more than Americans from gun
deaths?
Yes.
A recent study indicates that a sing
that a single ten day heat wave in
Europe resulted in twenty three hundred deaths, surpassing
the number of gun deaths in The United
States,
for that same period according to Raja's era,
which is not gun friendly. Nope. While the
study specifically focused on heat waves, it highlights
a significant impact on extreme heat and mortality,
especially in the regions accustomed to such conditions.
Gun deaths in The US, while a serious
concern, do not consistently reach the level seen
in The in this European heat wave. For
example, in 2012, gun deaths were comparable to
motor vehicle deaths in some states, but not
at the same level as twenty three hundred
deaths from heat waves.
You know what this makes me think of?
We we put guns on a pedestal for
some reason.
Everybody
seems to put guns on a pedestal.
Anti gunners put guns on a pedestal.
Pro gunners put guns on a pedestal.
People who don't really
have lean one way or the other, but
you pull out a gun and it's like,
you know, woah.
It it is a dangerous item,
but I was using a router
in my garage
recently. Yeah. And
even after I figured out how dangerous this
thing was, I had a hard time controlling
it.
I had a hard time safely using that
thing to the point where it wasn't gonna
kick back and take my nose off.
You know? And I'm like, this this tool
is dangerous.
This is a dangerous tool. It has a
huge amount of,
torque on it,
and
it's hard to control. Even when you're using
it properly, it's hard to control it.
And but we don't put those on a
pedestal.
Now nobody's using a router to,
you know, rob somebody.
Guns, you know, guns do represent
risk,
but I think we we put the gun
on this pedestal like it's
it's insanely
dangerous or it's insanely
powerful.
It you know, it's gonna protect me from
every bad thing that's gonna happen or it's
gonna get up on its own and commit
its school shooting by itself.
And
I don't know. I think we just need
to calm down a little bit Correct. On
both sides. Correct. It's just a gun. It's
just a gun.
And Just a gun. If we have the
right attitude about it, it's a it's a
surprisingly safe thing to use
when you're using it responsibly.
Whereas I feel like the router, even when
you are using a responsibility, wants to kill
you. It's like it's got its own,
free will. Well, once you turn it on,
like, it's that engine's going. That that motor
is is going. Yeah. Like, you're kind of
at its mercy until you turn it back
off. Like, the gun, once you stop pressing
the trigger, like, it's it's not it's it's
done. Like, you control the action, the router.
It's it's kind of doing its own thing.
I was using a angle grinder,
and
I became
acutely aware that if that blade broke,
it could kill me. And I had no
idea
if that blade was gonna break.
Oh, those things get spicy. I actually put
on, like, a whole lot of PPE because
I got real scared of this. The the
more I used it, the more I realized
how this how dangerous this thing is. Fucking
liberal. Yeah. You and your PPE.
Hey. You should have to take a class
to use this thing
and get a license
and only have one blade,
at a time. At a time every 30
days. Yeah. But, yeah, I think I think
we tend to treat the gun as, like,
this talisman,
on both sides of the issue,
and it should be respected as the potentially
dangerous item that it is, but it's not
this magic thing.
And and that goes to new people as
well. You need to understand this is just
a mechanical device.
And if you learn the basics of how
the mechanical device works and you have the
right mindset when you're handling that mechanical device,
it's actually a pretty safe thing to have.
And and it's, even even the most complex
of guns,
the hammered guns,
are still relatively
simple
pieces of equipment. They're not super complex.
And I think to your point is people
think it's just this very
complex piece of machinery. It was like, no.
It's it's just
couple bars, some springs
Yeah. And a fucking needle, and it goes
boom. Yeah. It's it's it's pretty pretty simple.
To gun websites point, guns equal individual freedom,
so they figure guns must be taken away
as a symbol.
I think you're talking about a really small
group of people.
Most anti gunners,
at least the ones that I've met and
a lot of the ones that I observe,
they really are scared of the thing.
They really do think that it just represents
too much risk for not enough benefit.
The people who really wanna take them away
because they know that you can't be subject
subjugated until we get your guns out of
your hands, that's it's a pretty small group
of people, a powerful group of people.
But if we're just looking in general at
at the way that people look at firearms,
I think it that's not a very big
group of people.
Because most people, if you ask them, do
we need you know, should we should you
have more freedom?
They they think about all the things that
they want freedom for, and they say, yeah.
Like the no kings protest. Give us our
freedom back,
because they think that Trump's taken their freedom.
And maybe he is, but they're they're like,
we're pro freedom. We're pro freedom. We're pro
freedom. Although, you probably ask a bunch of
them. What about guns? Well, you shouldn't have
them. They're too dangerous.
So,
anyway, it's just something I was thinking about
when you're talking about that because people tend
to
to put more
they overthink it, I think, when it comes
to guns and learning about guns.
Well, it's it's
I I don't know when the fuck I
I talked about this or I mentioned this,
but it's,
in Carlin, George Carlin
says this the best when when thinking about
climate change,
and nobody's really worried. The left is really
not worried,
about climate change. They're they're worried about how
it affects them personally.
That's that's the only reason why they're so
passionate about it because it affects them personally.
Very few humans will will get involved in
in this stuff until it affects them personally.
A lot of the anti gunners that you
and I talked to,
were affected personally with firearms,
and that's why they're In a very negative
way. In a very negative way.
And their only way to to solve this
is that let's try and get rid of
these stuff. I I
I have a a friend of
the family. Her
her brother,
died in a motorcycle crash. And I remember
her Facebook post, shortly after that. It was
just like, fuck motorcycles. They're the fucking devil,
and I wish they were never invented. And
but before that, I was like, look at
my brother and his new fucking motorcycle. Mhmm.
But, unfortunately, he died probably doing dumb shit
in on a motorcycle.
And her only response was, let's get rid
of motorcycles.
My mom, when she got breast cancer,
unfortunately, she she won.
That was stone cold.
When when my mom got breast cancer,
everybody
was pissed off at me because I wouldn't
go to the march in,
the one they have in in October
to the Susan b.
Is it Susan b?
March for the titties or something like that
every
every year. I ain't never been to no
March for titties. So, yeah, the whole family
got fucking shirts, and and it said save
the chi chi's. And and I was like,
you guys are all hypocrites. You guys are
all hypocrites. I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna
participate in this.
As usual, the downer. The downer. The fucking
downer. Like and everybody's like, oh, but we
have to because fuck cancer.
And then she got she got surgery,
and she got better. And then guess how
many marches they go to every year now?
Guess. Take a wild fucking guess. We did
it.
It worked. It worked.
It worked. We they went to one,
and then that was it. I was like,
but what about cancer? Like, because it's still
there. Like, what what what about it? Because
it doesn't affect them anymore. It it no
longer affects them anymore.
And that's why I couldn't bring myself to
do it.
I'd do it if it was something I
I was passionate about, but I'm I'm not
passionate about it. Like, I that's not my
that's not my play.
It's not it's not my thing. I feel
bad because,
they want me to be It's not that
you have a thing against the march. It's
the thing about the thing is, like, you're
only doing it
because
it's happening
right now.
Wait. I I just had this in my
head, and I swear to god, it just
evaporated
right out of my head.
You're not going because you've never been.
Yeah.
It it was never important to you before.
No.
And you know that when she beats it,
it won't be important to you anymore. Anymore.
No more.
If it was somebody else. If it was
so, like, if if, like, tomorrow, all of
a sudden, I'm like, yeah. Cancer's awesome. Like,
it sucks and, like, let let's go fight
for cancer then, I guess. But it it
has to be something that that I'm passionate
about. Yeah. But most anti gunners
are are I I I've I've dealt with
plenty of them because we we participate in
the meetings and we participate in in in
the the panels and all that shit. They
were just affected by it, and they think
the only way they can do it is
the same way people participate
March. Let let's show up to the capital.
Let's do this because somebody needs to stop
cancer.
Mhmm. And somebody needs to stop climate,
like, climate changing, and somebody needs to bring
wolves to Colorado. And,
because somehow, some way, it it impacted you.
Yeah.
And that's the only reason you care about
it. Like, I'm not gonna
like, I understand it. I don't agree with
it. I don't I don't agree with the
people that I sit in panels with. Like,
you should have done this
before it affected you, but, like, I didn't
I didn't do the stuff. At some point,
we have to say the uncomfortable thing is,
like, yeah.
Sucks that your family member died, but, like,
that what's that got to do with me?
And then Yeah. I say that uncomfortable thing
in pretty much every class,
when I talk about
gun laws because, you know, we're we're definitely
at a point in Colorado where
if you bring up gun laws in a
gun class, you are gonna hear some pretty
angry opinions.
And
I tell people, you know, you can complain
all you want, but this is your fault.
So Your fault, little bitch. If you didn't
if you didn't take responsibility
and do
and match your energy with action,
then
all you're doing is talking. You're not doing
anything about it.
And we're we don't have time in the
class to listen to you cry about something
that you're not willing to do anything about.
So,
that
pretty much shuts down the conversation, which is
mostly
what I'm trying to do. It's, like, move
on to more important things. But I also
want people to understand that,
gun rights are a continuous effort, not a
rest on your laurels type thing. And if
you say you care about it, but you're
not willing to, you know,
do something about it, then
I don't have any time to listen to
that. Yeah. So and I
I tell people, I'm not doing everything that
I feel like I should be doing. So
I'm not I'm not coming down on you
from a position of, like, I've done it
all and you haven't done anything.
I'm talking to myself too.
But one thing you won't hear me do
in that class is complain
about the gun laws.
I don't I'm not, like, I don't like
them, but I'm not gonna waste any time
complaining about it if I don't feel like
I've done every single thing I could do
to stop it. Correct. So,
it's
yeah. I think
I think that it's easy, and that's why
people do it. People love easy. And, you
know, that's a that's that's a,
evolutionary
trait. This is not this is not a
slight against people. People,
you are you are wired to like easy.
The problem is is that if you don't
identify the overall big picture, then you might
be going for the wrong easy thing.
So it's easier to keep your rights than
to fight to get them back.
So do the easy thing and fight to
keep them rather than lose them and try
to get them back. Well, this is the
this is the argument, right, with with everybody
who's like, that's why I left Colorado. I
was like, well, your state's next.
Yeah. Your state's next. Yeah. Because all of
the people that are getting fed up here
who are in the middle,
all of the people who are not Republican,
who are not Democrat, and couldn't give two
fucks about your gun rights and are fucking
off to your state.
And they're and they're gonna do nothing in
your state to protect gun rights. Do absolutely
nothing in your state. And and,
like, this is this is, in the long
run, like, it it's gonna catch up to
your state because you keep fucking running away
from every fucking state. Mhmm. Because that that's
that's what happened here. Everybody from Cali was
like, fuck. California,
even the Democrats in Cali are like, these
fuckers are bad shit crazy Mhmm. Or leaving.
They ended up here, like, oh, the economy
is awesome. Let's fucking ruin it.
Let's fucking ruin it here.
Because, surely, what didn't work in California
will work here in the state of Colorado.
Now we're in a fucking deficit. This reminds
me of that,
that
express or that phrase or whatever. Like, anytime
you get pissed off about traffic, remember,
you are traffic. You are traffic.
You are traffic. I say that jokingly all
the time.
I don't think my family ever fucking gets
this.
But, like, every time we're in traffic, it's
like, why are all these assholes out here?
Yeah. These fucking pieces of shit, fucking why
are they fucking They're mad at the guy
in front of you for slowing down? Well,
guess what the guy behind you is doing?
Get mad at you for slowing down.
Yeah.
But
I think,
I think it's possible that,
this last round of bad gun laws might
actually mobilize some people. I don't know. I'm
not I'm not optimistic. I'm just leaving the
possibility open, I guess, in my head.
But we'll see. I think, I I still
think we have it too good and too
comfortable.
People you know, I don't mean that things
are where they're supposed to be. I don't
mean that it's okay that we have this
assault weapons licensing and,
and these stupid requirements and everything. But I
do think we're still too comfortable where we're
at for people to actually do anything.
So I think Well, we don't we don't
have much left.
Here in the state of Colorado, at least,
we don't we don't have much left. What
what do we have left? Around They could
start banning concealed carry in more places.
Registry.
They could,
do a a firearms registry.
They could do a license
to buy a firearm. So I I I
will say this,
and if this gets in the fucking
in that
Discord or whatever the fuck it's called
in the signal,
people are gonna be upset. But, like, this
is where the fear mongering,
I think, is detrimental to all of this.
Mhmm. Because they passed,
the assault weapons ban that turned into,
the license to purchase,
and then people are calling that a gun
registry. Mhmm. That's a gun registry as a
gun registry. So next year, when people are
like, hey. Let's fight gun registry.
They'll be like, oh, we we already have
one. We already have one. It passed last
year, RMGO,
Big Titty McGee,
fucking
have you ever seen that video, dude? I
have it just popped into my head. Have
you ever seen that chick in New Mexico
get pulled over and then
she's she's crying her eyeballs out? She's like,
it's because I'm scared. My husband used to
beat me.
No. I haven't seen that. Go watch it.
It's a DUI stop of a chick in
New Mexico. Remind me, like, what the fuck?
She got pulled over, and it's all over
the Internet. Like, when you see it, like,
oh, that's her. I'm starting to realize that
every
body cam video of a drunk chick getting
arrested is basically the same video. Basically.
Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. So,
yeah, you just told them. You just send
out emails to try and raise money
about how this was a gun registry. And
then next year, when it's a real gun
registry,
because I'm sure it's coming either next year
or or in in a few years,
here in the state of Colorado, people are
gonna be like, no. But you told us
last time, and you told us that it
No. I thought we already had a gun
registry. Correct. Yeah. And you told us we
lost, so why are we giving you money
again? So, like, it's it's this
that's the problem with fear mongering, and that's
the problem with with people
trying to scare just to raise money
is What's what's the flip side? If all
you do is inform people,
they don't participate. They don't participate.
Yeah.
It's sad either way. That's why I mean
it's too comfortable. It has to get really
uncomfortable for people to pay attention.
Yeah. We just need to pitch it out.
About scaring people or informing people. It's just,
like,
now we're at the point where
you
you got California gun owners who are pretty
involved
locally.
Like, there's a lot of coalitions. There's a
lot of activism.
Unfortunately, it's a it's a corrupt state, so
they're never gonna make any progress.
But I think that you see more participation
in mobilization once people realize that they've taken
pretty much everything from me.
That's the cycle. There's nothing you can do
about that. Although, you got Massachusetts, though, where
it's, like, nothing.
Like, Massachusetts. But have you met people from
Massachusetts? I have. Oh my god, dude. I
have.
That's one of my least favorite states.
You you live basically there, didn't you? Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm biased because I
lived in, in New Hampshire. New Hampshire. So
you have to hate everybody from Massachusetts.
But I swear that half of them are
literally retarded.
So,
you could say that is also true in,
Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire, though. So And
New Jersey.
Yeah. Definitely New Jersey.
But, yeah, it's
I I'm very zen about the main thing.
Tuned for our classes in all those states
we need to rush.
I mean, I I'm I'm pretty zen about
the whole thing. Like, I'm content to to
to
to fight where we can fight and to
do what we can
and and not let it, you know, make
me miserable
and cry.
I'll be miserable and crying when we can't
get any food
and, you know, there's drones dropping mortars on
my house.
Isn't that any happening? Like, isn't that alright?
Well, I mean You're you're in If you're
in Ukraine or
In the South Mexico.
Springs. Yeah. But, like, this is important to
me in principle. It's important to be in
action. I am not gonna let it ruin
my life. I'm not gonna let it, you
know, make me a miserable, hateful person because
somebody,
voted different than I wanted them to vote.
So
Yeah. I mean,
it it gets you nowhere.
Yeah.
It it it solves
nothing to get
bitter about it. And, also, I'm doing I'm
doing a reasonable amount of what I can
do,
and
I I'm satisfied with that effort.
So there there was this
this this,
I don't know if it's a quote, but
it it's somebody was talking about Kobe Bryant.
Mhmm.
And anybody who who
at least follows basketball just a tad bit.
I don't follow sports much, but I I
tune in every once in a while,
just to make sure my my dick doesn't
shrink.
So,
but they were talking about Kobe Bryant, and
they were talking about how how arrogant he
was.
And
they finally realized how he wasn't arrogant.
He just did everything
in his power
to be prepared so there was nothing to
be afraid of. So he's like, yeah. I
got this. Like, I'm I'm gonna win. Mhmm.
Because I I I woke up at 3AM.
I don't know if you've heard, like, his
fucking regimen, but I think he'd wake up
at 5AM,
3AM, some shit like that, some shit crazy.
Go work out,
eat a snack, go back to bed, wake
up about ten, eleven, do it again, and
then he'd he'd have, like, fucking five different
workout sessions a day.
And he'd rest in between and all. It's
some fucking crazy shit. Like, after that, like,
I did everything. If I lose, it's it's
not because I wasn't prepared. It's Yeah. I
just sucked that day or or whatever, but
I was prepared for this shit.
And the people who are nervous are often
the ones that you just didn't prepare enough.
So that's why he was never nervous. You
you you feel this way because you know
you didn't do what you could have done
Correct. To get ready for this moment. Correct.
Yeah. So if if you're wanting to run
away from Colorado, it's because you haven't done
shit. Yeah. Your your only reaction is run
away. Yeah.
And this is true in life. This is
true in everything. Like, is when you wanna
run away is because you don't wanna do
the work. You don't Yeah. You don't wanna
you don't wanna do it. You know what?
If you find yourself in that position,
I think the best thing you can do
is just accept that that's just what happened.
You know? It's all you can do. I'm
actually not gonna have this fight. I know
I should, and I'm not going to, and
that's just the way it is. At least
you're being honest. You know? I and I
think that that actually has a a lot
to do
with you being effective
is you have to be
honest,
as honest as you can be. Yeah.
You know? For sure. And then I'm a
little bitch. I'm running away. Yeah. And and
you accept it, and you're like, okay. If
I don't like that, then the only thing
I can do
is change.
Yeah. Because continuing to run away is just
gonna keep making me feel that way.
Instead of lying to yourself and saying, well,
you know, I
you know, it's their fault, and I have
to leave because it's their fault.
You just say, no. I left because I'm
a little bitch. I'm a little bitch. I
can either live with being a little bitch,
or I can stop being one. Yeah. So
You have to be one more than the
other. I think I think in my own
life, I have to confront things like that
and just have to, at some point, just
say that's the way it's gonna be with
that thing. Yeah. Because I have too many
other things that I'm thinking about. So that
thing is just gonna stay like that, and
that's okay.
And if I get sick enough of it,
I will change it.
So
that's been a way healthier attitude for me
personally
than acting like something else is the problem.
Correct.
Like you like to say, and I don't
say it enough in my classes,
all of your problems have one common denominator.
You, bitch.
Yeah. Every time you have a problem, tie
the fuck off. There you are. Yeah.
It's weird how that shit happened. Every time
you have a fucking problem,
there you
are. So,
I have a class on Saturday. I'm gonna
try to use that. Not just all your
problems have one common denominator. I'm gonna try
to say it like you said.
Oh, you have a problem? Oh, look. There
the fuck you are. There the fuck you
are.
But yeah. Like, I,
I was talking to somebody about public speaking
and, you know,
what what makes you nervous and what doesn't
make you nervous.
And
the seriousness of what you're doing should make
you respect what you're doing, but it doesn't
need to make you nervous.
I think you feel nervous when you've you
feel more nervous when you feel unprepared Yeah.
When you don't feel like you're ready for
this.
So when I do classes,
part of what makes me know that I'm
prepared for this and ready for this is
I'm about to ask people to disagree with
me.
So if there's something I don't know, that's
okay. It's already baked in.
My preparation is already
addressed that I might not know the answer
to a question.
Yeah. Like, I'm
that's how I'm preparing. I'm preparing for everything.
I I'm not trying to know every single
thing that you could possibly know. I'm trying
to prepare as much as I possibly can,
including
that I might not know something
that somebody's gonna talk about or ask. Correct.
So I don't feel nervous
except for the social element. I just that
ten minutes before the class starts.
I'm nervous
because I just I have to talk to
people, and I just, like Oh, man. On
a human level, I just, you know Oh,
man.
Do you wanna talk to people?
I'm doing it out of nervousness.
Yeah. And because because you're around new people.
Yeah. And your nervousness is just to, like,
sit there quietly and not say a word.
Fucking ignore them. Pretend they're not even here.
Pretend they're not there. Yeah. Because I don't
even wanna talk to them. Yeah. Like, I
don't I don't even wanna be in the
same space as them,
let alone fucking talk to them.
Oh, man. Yeah. You're like,
you're
like,
what's the dude from Apple?
Steve Jobs? Steve Jobs. You don't come out
till it's time to talk. Everybody just gets
to sit there and wait for you.
Dude, if I had a green room, which
I kinda do, I guess Yeah. Like, that's
where I would hang out. Yeah.
No. I'm in the front. Hi. Hi. Hi.
Hi. What do you do for a living?
Hi. How many kids do you have?
Did you take your birth control today?
Actually, I was joking about it the other
day with somebody because
during class, I was asking a question, and
they,
I asked, like, three questions right in a
row. And I said, it's crazy how much
people would just tell you about their lives
and, like, not even hold back. You know?
Like, I'm asking you some really personal questions,
and you're just like, yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
Absolutely.
Yeah. I take it in the butt. I
take it in the butt.
Alright. I think,
we've peaked to that point. Yeah. We've peaked.
So one thing we gotta do, we keep
forgetting to do this. We need to get
better at this.
We gotta start talking about where people can
find us, what we have coming up at
the beginning of the show
rather than the end of the show. Yeah.
Because everybody already logged off. Check it out.
Gunsforeveryone.com/legal-fund
to support our fight. You told me,
or you told some other people, and I
heard you tell, GEFCO is creating some problems.
Weld County is creating some problems.
Who else?
We're unsure how Denver is gonna progress, but
there was an employee, and and we did
pinpoint it to just one uninformed employee.
Okay.
We still don't know what the fuck's going
on in El Paso. It seems like it's
cleared up, but until we get, like, actual
clarification, we don't we don't really know. Yeah.
So we're we still have the issue with
La Plata.
So
and then the whole state in in general
with not accepting instructors
unless they have a concealed handgun permit. Yep.
Yeah.
So we still have a lot of need
for our attorney and fighting the different counties
as well as,
the state itself.
And we got classes coming up. Is there
is there still instructor development coming up later
this year?
Yeah. We we will have something,
coming up, but right now, the tour's going
on, and some shit had to be shifted.
So now we're trying to figure out where
to plug it in. Okay. But we will
have instructor development here in the state of
Colorado. We'll also have instructor development
in Michigan,
and I'm sure we'll we'll have one in
in Reno,
as well. For those of you guys that
are interested,
send me an email,
info@gfenational.com.
So it's really not me. It's
because I don't wanna really talk to you.
But if you're interested in becoming an instructor,
society needs better instructors.
I'm gonna be more and more vocal about
how shitty the USCCA
and and the NRA do
do at developing instructors because all they care
about is membership.
Mhmm. All they care about is money.
We don't. We're not a pay to play
organization.
So, like, you don't have to do 20
classes a a year for us. You don't
have to
pay us yearly dues and shit like that.
You you pay for the class, and and
that's it. And if you
fail,
you get to come back and do it
again for free. So, like, it even there,
we don't we have about a Even if
you pass, you get to come back and
do it for free. Even if you pass,
you come back and do it for free.
It's that initial investment, and it's really just
to make sure you you follow through with
the shit.
We
have about a fifty percent fail rate,
but
it's people are able to come back and
retest and and do all that shit. So
it's something that we take serious. We we
work in conjunction with
IC training company or or,
Pincus is the one that that runs that,
Rob Pincus.
And,
yeah, we we we need instructors. We need
donations. We need all that shit. So,
we added Las Vegas and and Nevada,
to our website,
gfenational.com.
If you go to classes,
you can find,
Vegas stuff, so
Nevada stuff. So if you're interested in that,
we have the laws up for that. And
then we have,
classes that are gonna be,
they're gonna be set up consistently through gfenational.com.
Who's teaching?
So there there's two instructors that are GFE
national instructors. One of them, his name is,
Ken Ortega, and then his wife,
Maggie,
CCW Maggie, if you guys wanna find her
on the interwebs.
It's really her company. This is a a
really interesting dynamic because it's it's her company,
and she's the main one. And,
this lady
trains marines
at Camp Pendleton, I think, is where she
does it.
She's the only civilian
allowed to to train the marines there, which
which is
kind of crazy. But
she's the one that runs it. Her husband
helps her out. She's got a few other
instructors. But since he's been named Ken Ortega
on a a news clip.
Yeah.
Because some open carrier got his gun stolen
from him and killed with it.
Yeah. Yeah. That happened in in the Vegas
area? Yeah. Yeah.
So Ken Ortega is is one of the
GFE national instructors, and then, Maggie is is
another GFE national instructor.
So if you're in that area and need
to get your permit, check that shed out.
The Guns for Wear National thing is is
just that. We're we're we're a national organization.
We actually are an international organization, but here
in The US, we focus more on that.
So if you guys if you guys wanna
become instructors,
through GFE National, hit me up. Info@gfenational.com.
Perfect.
So
cool, guys.
I think that's it for us. I appreciate
you guys.
Please help us out with donations.
Become an instructor.
Join the competitions.
We really wanna ramp those up, the competitions.
Remember, in the state of Colorado and a
few other states, that qualifies you to obtain
your concealed handgun permit,
and this is in lieu of the class.
This is in lieu of the class. So
it's not in addition to, it's in lieu
of the class. So,
anyways, appreciate you guys. Thanks for being here.
Oh, shit. Tisha had to say stuff.
It's funny. When I said,
does Tisha wanna be on the news? You
just laughed.
No.
Oh, she she couldn't.
She's you think I'm quiet and don't wanna
talk to people. She buckles.
She's fucking she'll get so nervous.
There's been times where I was running, like,
a minute or two late. I was like,
hey, Tom. I'm gonna be late. I'm so
sorry.
And, oh my god, you watched the video.
And She's locked in the office. She's like,
oh, you still running late.
No. She she'd she'd get embarrassed.
She's shy as fuck. Well, anyways, I appreciate
you guys.
Thanks for listening. Share it. Tell people that
we do this. We're trying to be consistent
every other week.
So Isaac takes a vacation one week, and
then we come back the other week, and
then Isaac get my vacations between
the, the podcast. Actually,
yeah, I don't think I have anything.
Yeah. We'll we'll talk schedule Yeah. So far.
So we're we're trying every other week. I'm
gonna try and be consistent because I I
get that this is probably the the biggest
downside that we have. You and I
have the same motivation.
Do we get super motivated Yep. But we
have no discipline.
Well, the only thing we have a discipline
about is the thing that we care the
most about. Everything else just goes falls to
the side. So
Yeah.
So alright, guys. Go ahead. 100,000 students doesn't
happen because you're inconsistent.
Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure.
Appreciate you guys. Tell people about the stuff
and the things, and and,
let's let's grow this bitch, just so we
could talk shit about people again.
Gfenational.com.
Gunsforeveryone.com/legal-fund.
Peace.