1 00:00:08,559 --> 00:00:11,059 Kathy AJ Hardy is a spiritual director, 2 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:12,900 retreat facilitator, 3 00:00:13,279 --> 00:00:16,535 and founder of Soul Care, offering courses in 4 00:00:16,535 --> 00:00:17,515 spiritual formation 5 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,035 and direction. 6 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:23,015 A facilitator of soul work for the past 7 00:00:23,015 --> 00:00:25,815 2 decades, Kathy is also the author of 8 00:00:25,815 --> 00:00:26,554 4 books, 9 00:00:27,015 --> 00:00:28,394 Love Breathes With Me, 10 00:00:29,175 --> 00:00:30,179 Walk With Me, 11 00:00:31,059 --> 00:00:32,679 Love Breathes With Me 2, 12 00:00:33,219 --> 00:00:34,359 and Paused, 13 00:00:34,740 --> 00:00:36,200 A Year of Soulful 14 00:00:36,579 --> 00:00:37,079 Meditation. 15 00:00:39,539 --> 00:00:41,780 In addition to her passion for guiding others 16 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:43,320 in their spiritual growth, 17 00:00:43,795 --> 00:00:47,314 Kathy is also a poet and award winning 18 00:00:47,314 --> 00:00:48,215 singer songwriter. 19 00:00:48,914 --> 00:00:51,174 Her most recent album released in 2021 20 00:00:52,195 --> 00:00:53,494 called The Unfinished 21 00:00:53,875 --> 00:00:54,375 Song. 22 00:00:55,890 --> 00:00:57,969 Kathy is the proud mom of 2 adult 23 00:00:57,969 --> 00:00:58,469 daughters, 24 00:00:58,850 --> 00:01:00,710 and she lives in Mission, BC 25 00:01:01,570 --> 00:01:02,710 among the mountains, 26 00:01:03,409 --> 00:01:04,870 rivers, and forests. 27 00:01:06,129 --> 00:01:07,829 More about Kathy at kathyajhardy.com 28 00:01:10,424 --> 00:01:11,165 and soulcare. 29 00:01:16,185 --> 00:01:19,545 Ca. Hi, this is Roy Salmon and welcome 30 00:01:19,545 --> 00:01:21,564 to Soul Care Reflections. 31 00:01:23,064 --> 00:01:24,765 We're here with Kathy Hardy 32 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,519 and in this episode, we're going to be 33 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:28,900 discussing her song, 34 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:30,659 Unfinished Song. 35 00:01:31,119 --> 00:01:34,560 Welcome, Kathy. Hi. Thank you. I'm excited to 36 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,219 be here. 37 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:37,859 When I looked at the title of Unfinished 38 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,454 Song and I'm a record producer, 39 00:01:41,075 --> 00:01:42,834 I just think of all the people that 40 00:01:42,834 --> 00:01:44,215 have shown up in my studio 41 00:01:44,594 --> 00:01:46,055 with songs that are 42 00:01:46,515 --> 00:01:47,015 unfinished. 43 00:01:47,395 --> 00:01:49,234 And they were hoping to finish them when 44 00:01:49,234 --> 00:01:50,995 they got to the studio, but I don't 45 00:01:50,995 --> 00:01:53,180 think this is what you're talking about. 46 00:01:55,079 --> 00:01:56,299 So tell me about 47 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:57,740 the genesis 48 00:01:58,439 --> 00:01:59,420 of this song. 49 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:02,299 A few years ago, there was a situation 50 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:03,820 that happened where I felt 51 00:02:04,359 --> 00:02:04,859 criticized 52 00:02:06,405 --> 00:02:07,784 and judged for 53 00:02:08,884 --> 00:02:10,805 something that I had done. It wasn't a 54 00:02:10,805 --> 00:02:11,544 big thing, 55 00:02:11,844 --> 00:02:13,944 but I felt really embarrassed and ashamed. 56 00:02:14,564 --> 00:02:16,584 And I could feel a judgment of another 57 00:02:16,645 --> 00:02:18,104 person that I respected. 58 00:02:19,490 --> 00:02:20,389 When I 59 00:02:20,770 --> 00:02:21,750 had that experience, 60 00:02:22,770 --> 00:02:25,270 my inclination was to make myself smaller 61 00:02:25,650 --> 00:02:26,629 and to hide 62 00:02:27,650 --> 00:02:30,610 and to remove myself so that I would 63 00:02:30,610 --> 00:02:31,750 never be embarrassing 64 00:02:32,129 --> 00:02:34,185 ever again for the rest of my life. 65 00:02:34,985 --> 00:02:36,284 How silly is that? 66 00:02:37,064 --> 00:02:38,364 But it's kind of 67 00:02:38,745 --> 00:02:40,824 how the human psyche works. You know, when 68 00:02:40,824 --> 00:02:43,485 we're seen sometimes with our flaws or foibles, 69 00:02:44,504 --> 00:02:46,905 the shame can cause us to do certain 70 00:02:46,905 --> 00:02:47,405 things. 71 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,419 So 72 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,080 in that moment, I recall that one of 73 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,639 my teachers in the spiritual direction training I 74 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,560 had done had said, don't you know? Don't 75 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,719 you know you're an unfinished song? Don't you 76 00:02:58,719 --> 00:03:00,800 know you're unfinished symphony? I think was the 77 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,135 language that he used that your life is 78 00:03:03,135 --> 00:03:04,754 a trajectory of music, 79 00:03:05,375 --> 00:03:06,675 and you're living it. 80 00:03:07,135 --> 00:03:09,155 And as I recalled his words, 81 00:03:10,175 --> 00:03:11,314 I felt this 82 00:03:11,935 --> 00:03:12,435 invitation 83 00:03:13,055 --> 00:03:14,675 in my being. Kathy, 84 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,099 release perfection. 85 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,580 Allow yourself to be seen in the imperfection 86 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:23,980 and dare to live. 87 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:25,340 And 88 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:26,540 this song 89 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:29,740 flowed out of my being at that time. 90 00:03:30,375 --> 00:03:32,854 So it was out of talking to this 91 00:03:32,854 --> 00:03:35,655 person that said, you're an unfinished symphony. Your 92 00:03:35,655 --> 00:03:37,655 life is a song. Yes. That you came 93 00:03:37,655 --> 00:03:39,194 up with this idea. Yes. 94 00:03:39,655 --> 00:03:40,954 So your first line 95 00:03:41,254 --> 00:03:43,514 says, I was waiting for that last 96 00:03:43,894 --> 00:03:44,954 perfect note. 97 00:03:45,650 --> 00:03:47,730 Tell me what perfect note you were waiting 98 00:03:47,730 --> 00:03:48,230 for. 99 00:03:49,650 --> 00:03:52,050 You know, Roy, I grew up as a 100 00:03:52,050 --> 00:03:53,830 little girl in a pastor's home, 101 00:03:54,129 --> 00:03:56,210 and we lived on the church property. And 102 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:57,794 my mom often said that 103 00:03:58,275 --> 00:04:00,034 it was like growing up in a glass 104 00:04:00,034 --> 00:04:02,995 house. Everybody could see us. Everybody could see 105 00:04:02,995 --> 00:04:03,655 our movement. 106 00:04:04,194 --> 00:04:06,114 Everybody could take a look. And I think 107 00:04:06,114 --> 00:04:09,334 I grew up with experiencing a lot of 108 00:04:09,794 --> 00:04:12,034 that sense of the external looking in on, 109 00:04:12,034 --> 00:04:12,935 am I perfect? 110 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:14,120 Am I good? 111 00:04:14,740 --> 00:04:17,720 Am I acceptable as a pastor's daughter? 112 00:04:18,579 --> 00:04:20,519 And so there was a lot of 113 00:04:20,819 --> 00:04:23,620 inner judgment on any movement that I would 114 00:04:23,620 --> 00:04:25,560 make that, is this acceptable? 115 00:04:26,339 --> 00:04:27,240 Am I good? 116 00:04:28,824 --> 00:04:29,645 So perfection 117 00:04:30,585 --> 00:04:31,404 was about 118 00:04:31,785 --> 00:04:32,285 goodness 119 00:04:32,745 --> 00:04:35,145 and about doing the right thing all the 120 00:04:35,145 --> 00:04:35,645 time. 121 00:04:36,504 --> 00:04:38,125 Never disappointing anyone, 122 00:04:38,425 --> 00:04:40,045 never letting anyone down, 123 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,560 never making a mistake. So was that the 124 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,060 perfect note? That's the perfect note 125 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,439 for me. For you to just be It 126 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:51,019 might be different for for another person, but 127 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:53,639 from me, it was to not let anyone 128 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,455 down. So you were conscious of everybody else 129 00:04:56,455 --> 00:04:58,214 looking at you, and you felt like you 130 00:04:58,214 --> 00:05:00,555 had measure up to their expectations. 131 00:05:01,014 --> 00:05:01,514 Absolutely. 132 00:05:01,975 --> 00:05:04,475 And so that was the perfect note. Yes. 133 00:05:04,615 --> 00:05:05,115 Okay. 134 00:05:05,895 --> 00:05:07,835 You go on to say you were waiting 135 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:09,915 for your heart to be healed. 136 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:12,019 Is this 137 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:15,039 a personal feeling about your heart? Or is 138 00:05:15,039 --> 00:05:17,279 it a reflection, a larger reflection of the 139 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,099 human condition? 140 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,479 Do we look for our hearts to be 141 00:05:20,479 --> 00:05:20,979 healed? 142 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,475 I think there was a sense that 143 00:05:24,115 --> 00:05:26,274 if I would know the fullness of my 144 00:05:26,274 --> 00:05:28,355 heart being healed, then I would be more 145 00:05:28,355 --> 00:05:28,855 perfect. 146 00:05:29,714 --> 00:05:30,214 And 147 00:05:30,675 --> 00:05:32,754 So still looking for that perfect note. Still 148 00:05:32,754 --> 00:05:34,514 looking for that perfect note in that if 149 00:05:34,514 --> 00:05:36,115 I don't have a wound, then I'd be 150 00:05:36,115 --> 00:05:36,615 perfect. 151 00:05:37,154 --> 00:05:38,675 If I don't feel sad or if I 152 00:05:38,675 --> 00:05:39,149 don't 153 00:05:39,629 --> 00:05:42,589 have a place that still needs mending, well, 154 00:05:42,589 --> 00:05:43,649 then I'll be okay. 155 00:05:44,509 --> 00:05:47,009 There's a sense of when I've arrived, 156 00:05:47,949 --> 00:05:50,370 then then I'll be acceptable, then I'll be 157 00:05:50,430 --> 00:05:50,930 lovable. 158 00:05:51,870 --> 00:05:53,329 And when I 159 00:05:53,675 --> 00:05:55,055 contemplated the thought of 160 00:05:55,435 --> 00:05:57,615 being an unfinished song, what if 161 00:05:58,074 --> 00:05:59,775 what if there's perfection 162 00:06:00,714 --> 00:06:03,455 in the beauty of living this journey 163 00:06:04,074 --> 00:06:05,995 and allowing some of the mess of my 164 00:06:05,995 --> 00:06:06,495 life 165 00:06:07,194 --> 00:06:07,935 and saying, 166 00:06:08,329 --> 00:06:09,149 it's beautiful 167 00:06:16,329 --> 00:06:16,829 too. 168 00:06:23,335 --> 00:06:26,154 It's interesting that you go, I was waiting, 169 00:06:26,694 --> 00:06:29,095 I was yearning, and then you do this 170 00:06:29,095 --> 00:06:30,615 pivot right at the end of the verse. 171 00:06:30,615 --> 00:06:31,274 You go, 172 00:06:31,814 --> 00:06:32,314 but 173 00:06:32,935 --> 00:06:35,370 I am an unfinished song. So it's like 174 00:06:35,689 --> 00:06:37,610 I wanted this. I was yearning for this. 175 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:38,829 I was looking for this. 176 00:06:39,610 --> 00:06:40,110 However, 177 00:06:41,209 --> 00:06:43,389 and this is where reality showed up, 178 00:06:43,769 --> 00:06:45,949 you had an awareness that went, 179 00:06:46,970 --> 00:06:48,990 if I go down this route 180 00:06:50,074 --> 00:06:51,295 of looking for perfection, 181 00:06:52,395 --> 00:06:53,835 what did it say to you when you 182 00:06:53,835 --> 00:06:55,275 asked yourself, if I go this route of 183 00:06:55,275 --> 00:06:58,655 perfection, I am in trouble? I am squashed? 184 00:06:58,795 --> 00:07:00,415 I am intimidated? What? 185 00:07:00,795 --> 00:07:02,254 Well, I think when I'm waiting, 186 00:07:02,555 --> 00:07:04,095 then I will stop living. 187 00:07:04,910 --> 00:07:08,110 So, I remember even needing to facilitate a 188 00:07:08,110 --> 00:07:08,610 meeting 189 00:07:09,310 --> 00:07:09,810 and 190 00:07:10,270 --> 00:07:12,589 the sense of, can I dare to show 191 00:07:12,589 --> 00:07:14,770 up fully knowing that I'm not perfect? 192 00:07:15,550 --> 00:07:17,550 Can I dare to share my heart? Can 193 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:19,089 I dare to sing my songs? 194 00:07:19,615 --> 00:07:22,654 Brother Roger, who's been a tremendous inspiration for 195 00:07:22,654 --> 00:07:25,154 my life, he would use these words, dare. 196 00:07:25,534 --> 00:07:27,634 Dare to trust. Dare to love. 197 00:07:27,935 --> 00:07:30,654 And there's something about, can you even dare 198 00:07:30,654 --> 00:07:31,154 to 199 00:07:31,774 --> 00:07:32,914 live your song, 200 00:07:33,214 --> 00:07:34,995 even when you know that 201 00:07:35,389 --> 00:07:37,230 there's parts of you that are still healing. 202 00:07:37,230 --> 00:07:38,290 There's parts of 203 00:07:38,830 --> 00:07:39,569 me that 204 00:07:40,029 --> 00:07:40,529 are 205 00:07:41,069 --> 00:07:43,230 in process. So there was a dare 206 00:07:44,029 --> 00:07:46,189 I think what happened that but is, but 207 00:07:46,189 --> 00:07:47,810 I'm still gonna show up. 208 00:07:48,189 --> 00:07:49,995 I'm still gonna show up. 209 00:07:50,555 --> 00:07:52,235 And I'm not going to be ashamed and 210 00:07:52,235 --> 00:07:53,214 hide in the corner 211 00:07:53,675 --> 00:07:55,294 and hide myself. 212 00:07:56,074 --> 00:07:57,935 I'm still going to show up with 213 00:07:58,314 --> 00:07:59,854 dignity and passion 214 00:08:00,875 --> 00:08:01,375 and 215 00:08:01,834 --> 00:08:02,334 enthusiasm. 216 00:08:03,689 --> 00:08:05,629 I'm going to show up without shame 217 00:08:06,729 --> 00:08:09,449 about who I am, even though I'm in 218 00:08:09,449 --> 00:08:09,949 process. 219 00:08:10,329 --> 00:08:11,789 That was huge for me. 220 00:08:12,169 --> 00:08:13,389 Where did that shame 221 00:08:13,849 --> 00:08:14,669 come from? 222 00:08:16,805 --> 00:08:18,425 That's a really big question. 223 00:08:19,444 --> 00:08:20,985 Shame is in insidious. 224 00:08:21,444 --> 00:08:21,944 And 225 00:08:22,324 --> 00:08:24,645 it can be inherited from our family systems. 226 00:08:24,645 --> 00:08:27,285 I believe I inherited some elements of shame 227 00:08:27,285 --> 00:08:27,785 that 228 00:08:28,139 --> 00:08:28,639 came 229 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:31,439 through my beloved ancestors. I 230 00:08:31,899 --> 00:08:33,279 developed shame through 231 00:08:34,139 --> 00:08:36,159 my own childhood and life. 232 00:08:36,779 --> 00:08:39,519 And I think it came from this huge 233 00:08:39,580 --> 00:08:40,879 desire to be good, 234 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:42,240 to belong. 235 00:08:42,804 --> 00:08:45,625 And Which is a healthy desire. It is. 236 00:08:46,325 --> 00:08:47,144 And yet, 237 00:08:47,684 --> 00:08:49,625 it's only met through grace, 238 00:08:50,245 --> 00:08:51,625 not through trying harder. 239 00:08:53,365 --> 00:08:55,605 It says you're talking about waiting for the 240 00:08:55,605 --> 00:08:57,740 perfect note, the yearning for your heart, then 241 00:08:57,740 --> 00:09:00,559 it's talking about your blemishes and your wounds 242 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:03,659 would be gone. Did you feel like life 243 00:09:03,659 --> 00:09:04,799 would be better 244 00:09:05,259 --> 00:09:07,519 or more livable or you would be happier 245 00:09:07,579 --> 00:09:08,959 if all these were gone? 246 00:09:10,154 --> 00:09:11,214 I am beloved 247 00:09:11,995 --> 00:09:14,554 as I am in process that my being 248 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:16,495 in itself is so 249 00:09:17,195 --> 00:09:17,695 loved. 250 00:09:18,875 --> 00:09:21,615 That became then the essence of this song. 251 00:09:22,154 --> 00:09:23,820 This reminds me of your 252 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:25,440 book pause. 253 00:09:25,899 --> 00:09:26,879 Yes, your 254 00:09:27,340 --> 00:09:28,960 yearly soulful meditations. 255 00:09:29,899 --> 00:09:31,740 And you talk about being a friend to 256 00:09:31,740 --> 00:09:32,399 your soul 257 00:09:33,259 --> 00:09:34,320 being loved 258 00:09:35,259 --> 00:09:36,480 with your imperfections 259 00:09:36,779 --> 00:09:38,355 as you just said, yes. 260 00:09:39,315 --> 00:09:40,134 Sounds like 261 00:09:40,834 --> 00:09:41,815 having a friendship 262 00:09:42,195 --> 00:09:43,174 with your soul. 263 00:09:44,115 --> 00:09:46,914 So much. I love that you brought those 264 00:09:46,914 --> 00:09:48,134 two things together. 265 00:09:48,834 --> 00:09:50,534 I'm not gonna cover 266 00:09:51,159 --> 00:09:51,899 my wounds. 267 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,539 I'm not gonna be ashamed of my wounds. 268 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,100 I'm gonna hold them tenderly 269 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,580 and also know that I'm so profoundly 270 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:05,340 loved and celebrated, and I can show up 271 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:06,379 without shame. 272 00:10:07,085 --> 00:10:09,085 Like, shame is not only about, like, maybe 273 00:10:09,085 --> 00:10:10,065 the wounds are 274 00:10:10,684 --> 00:10:12,605 for me, it was I'm a passionate being. 275 00:10:12,605 --> 00:10:14,865 I have a lot of passion for life. 276 00:10:15,085 --> 00:10:16,625 So one story that maybe 277 00:10:17,004 --> 00:10:19,879 I can share with you that would describe 278 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:20,379 this 279 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:22,220 is I live close to the Westminster 280 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:25,420 Abbey, the Benedictine Monastery here in Mission. 281 00:10:25,879 --> 00:10:27,800 And one day, I went in there, and 282 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,779 they have beautiful 283 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,379 stained glass 284 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,845 windows that surround the church that are like 285 00:10:33,845 --> 00:10:35,365 the fullness of the day. So that goes 286 00:10:35,365 --> 00:10:37,365 from muted colors to all the colors of 287 00:10:37,365 --> 00:10:39,865 the day. And as I looked to one 288 00:10:39,924 --> 00:10:42,725 wall, there was it was all muted tones 289 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:44,750 of stained glass, but there was one 290 00:10:45,610 --> 00:10:46,110 red 291 00:10:46,490 --> 00:10:48,429 square in the middle of this huge 292 00:10:48,730 --> 00:10:50,110 wall of muted colors. 293 00:10:50,570 --> 00:10:52,830 And I said to the divine, 294 00:10:53,450 --> 00:10:56,570 that's me. That's that red little square. Why 295 00:10:56,570 --> 00:10:58,429 did you make me so passionate? 296 00:10:59,184 --> 00:11:01,024 And so there was a shame of, it's 297 00:11:01,024 --> 00:11:03,425 too much. It'd be way better if I 298 00:11:03,425 --> 00:11:05,605 could just be muted and normal. 299 00:11:06,705 --> 00:11:09,205 And I hate it. I hate being so 300 00:11:09,745 --> 00:11:12,004 passionate and so intense. 301 00:11:12,629 --> 00:11:14,230 Why did you make me like this? So, 302 00:11:14,230 --> 00:11:15,610 there was also shame about 303 00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:16,649 my beingness. 304 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:19,830 And a month later, I returned to the 305 00:11:19,830 --> 00:11:20,330 Abbey. 306 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:23,290 But this time, I sat in a different 307 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:25,049 side of the church 308 00:11:25,804 --> 00:11:28,284 and I journaled. And as I looked up, 309 00:11:28,284 --> 00:11:31,024 I was shocked. The sun was coming through 310 00:11:31,325 --> 00:11:32,845 the wall that I was facing. It was 311 00:11:32,845 --> 00:11:35,345 a different wall, and that wall was 312 00:11:35,964 --> 00:11:36,784 all red. 313 00:11:37,164 --> 00:11:39,085 I I held myself with this sense of 314 00:11:39,085 --> 00:11:41,669 shock, and I I felt these words come 315 00:11:41,669 --> 00:11:44,009 to me. You think you're red, honey? 316 00:11:44,470 --> 00:11:48,389 I'm all red. I'm all color of all 317 00:11:48,389 --> 00:11:50,709 the colors, but I'm all flame. And if 318 00:11:50,709 --> 00:11:53,715 you're red, you come from me. Why be 319 00:11:53,715 --> 00:11:55,575 ashamed of who you are? 320 00:11:56,434 --> 00:11:58,934 It was such an incredible moment of, 321 00:11:59,394 --> 00:12:02,535 Kathy, live. Live the color that you are 322 00:12:02,995 --> 00:12:05,654 without shame. And so even in this unfinished 323 00:12:05,794 --> 00:12:06,294 song, 324 00:12:07,329 --> 00:12:10,129 to not be ashamed of the color that 325 00:12:10,129 --> 00:12:10,870 I am. 326 00:12:11,490 --> 00:12:14,049 Yeah. I'm gonna ask you an interesting question. 327 00:12:14,049 --> 00:12:16,289 It's not written down in our notes, and 328 00:12:16,289 --> 00:12:18,370 we haven't even discussed this. And it came 329 00:12:18,370 --> 00:12:20,149 to mind as I'm listening to you. 330 00:12:20,875 --> 00:12:24,475 You're talking about the imperfect phrases and broken 331 00:12:24,475 --> 00:12:24,975 pieces 332 00:12:25,514 --> 00:12:28,095 of our life that this is your unfinished 333 00:12:28,235 --> 00:12:28,735 song. 334 00:12:29,355 --> 00:12:31,595 Yes. Is there ever such a thing as 335 00:12:31,595 --> 00:12:32,254 a wound 336 00:12:32,555 --> 00:12:35,115 that is sacred because by keeping it open, 337 00:12:35,115 --> 00:12:36,575 it reminds us 338 00:12:37,220 --> 00:12:39,940 of our need for each other, our need 339 00:12:39,940 --> 00:12:40,679 for grace, 340 00:12:41,059 --> 00:12:42,360 our need for redemption. 341 00:12:43,699 --> 00:12:45,399 I love this question, Roy. 342 00:12:46,259 --> 00:12:48,579 I believe our work is to integrate our 343 00:12:48,579 --> 00:12:49,079 wounds 344 00:12:49,779 --> 00:12:50,600 and to 345 00:12:50,975 --> 00:12:52,575 to What do you mean by that integrate 346 00:12:52,575 --> 00:12:53,235 our wounds? 347 00:12:53,855 --> 00:12:57,054 To turn towards our wounds with great, great 348 00:12:57,054 --> 00:12:57,554 compassion 349 00:12:58,815 --> 00:12:59,634 and tenderness 350 00:13:00,254 --> 00:13:01,075 and kindness. 351 00:13:02,254 --> 00:13:03,715 And when we do that, 352 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,980 there's a healing that happens within the psyche. 353 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,160 We may carry the scars of those wounds 354 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,860 for the rest of our lives, but 355 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:13,540 my sense is that 356 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,620 they do become sacred when we have integrated 357 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:18,340 them. 358 00:13:18,644 --> 00:13:19,545 We've learned 359 00:13:20,325 --> 00:13:22,644 to hold them with kindness. So, the places 360 00:13:22,644 --> 00:13:23,865 of our greatest suffering, 361 00:13:24,725 --> 00:13:27,225 they hold the alchemy of our greatest 362 00:13:27,925 --> 00:13:30,665 service to another. If I think about 363 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:34,269 even the scriptures that say he was familiar 364 00:13:34,490 --> 00:13:35,309 with grief, 365 00:13:37,049 --> 00:13:39,049 there's elements of our lives that when we 366 00:13:39,049 --> 00:13:40,909 are familiar with grief, 367 00:13:41,289 --> 00:13:41,789 that 368 00:13:42,250 --> 00:13:45,195 others recognize that in us. You become a 369 00:13:45,195 --> 00:13:48,235 safe place for others to hold their human 370 00:13:48,235 --> 00:13:48,735 story. 371 00:13:49,834 --> 00:13:52,075 And so I think our wounds can be 372 00:13:52,075 --> 00:13:53,214 incredibly sacred 373 00:13:53,995 --> 00:13:56,714 when we learn how to turn towards them 374 00:13:56,714 --> 00:13:59,269 with compassion and profound love. Mhmm. 375 00:13:59,809 --> 00:14:00,550 Great answer. 376 00:14:12,210 --> 00:14:13,029 So, Kathy, 377 00:14:13,875 --> 00:14:16,054 if someone is conscious of their wounds 378 00:14:17,235 --> 00:14:18,855 and whether they're sacred 379 00:14:19,554 --> 00:14:21,875 or whether they're turning towards them as you 380 00:14:21,875 --> 00:14:24,134 say, integrating them. Mhmm. 381 00:14:25,075 --> 00:14:26,535 Is there ever a danger 382 00:14:27,235 --> 00:14:28,774 of us being proud 383 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:31,300 to be broken? 384 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:32,820 Absolutely. 385 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,540 I think any of us who have 386 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,259 suffered, we can easily become 387 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,820 identified with our suffering. 388 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:43,620 What's the bigger story of my life? 389 00:14:44,214 --> 00:14:46,375 The wound is a part of my story. 390 00:14:46,375 --> 00:14:48,695 Uh-huh. It's a note in the unfinished song. 391 00:14:48,695 --> 00:14:50,534 It's a note in the unfinished song, but 392 00:14:50,534 --> 00:14:53,014 what's the big trajectory? And can I let 393 00:14:53,014 --> 00:14:55,095 go? Like, if you think of a big, 394 00:14:55,095 --> 00:14:57,174 big oak tree, and you know how you've 395 00:14:57,174 --> 00:14:59,254 seen trees, you can see where the storm 396 00:14:59,254 --> 00:14:59,754 hit. 397 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:02,519 And so, sometimes there's a a knob or 398 00:15:02,519 --> 00:15:03,960 a knot on the side of the tree 399 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,639 where you can see where there was a 400 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:07,259 disease or something happened. 401 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:09,480 And if the tree only talked about that 402 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,539 one little spot, 403 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:13,875 you know, Wow. We're missing something. Look at 404 00:15:13,875 --> 00:15:16,195 this tree. Look at the root system. Look 405 00:15:16,195 --> 00:15:18,195 at the leaves. Look at the nuts or 406 00:15:18,195 --> 00:15:18,855 the fruit. 407 00:15:19,394 --> 00:15:21,634 And so, we often do that with our 408 00:15:21,634 --> 00:15:24,434 own story. And so, it's it's a great 409 00:15:24,434 --> 00:15:24,934 temptation, 410 00:15:25,790 --> 00:15:27,870 but I believe that we're invited to let 411 00:15:27,870 --> 00:15:28,370 go. 412 00:15:28,830 --> 00:15:31,710 Well, Hafiz, who's a Sufi mystic, says the 413 00:15:31,710 --> 00:15:33,790 words we speak become the house we live 414 00:15:33,790 --> 00:15:34,290 in. 415 00:15:35,309 --> 00:15:37,970 And so it's something to notice in oneself, 416 00:15:38,029 --> 00:15:39,710 or what are the words that I use 417 00:15:39,710 --> 00:15:41,090 to describe my life? 418 00:15:41,625 --> 00:15:43,384 And it can be a great way to 419 00:15:43,384 --> 00:15:45,485 examine ourselves and to listen. 420 00:15:46,504 --> 00:15:48,345 What are the words we use, and how 421 00:15:48,345 --> 00:15:50,105 can we see our lives in a in 422 00:15:50,105 --> 00:15:51,004 a big picture? 423 00:15:51,945 --> 00:15:54,345 One teacher taught me, like, how can I 424 00:15:54,345 --> 00:15:56,264 tell my story even through the lens of 425 00:15:56,264 --> 00:15:56,764 nature? 426 00:15:58,779 --> 00:16:01,440 And that can be a really interesting exercise 427 00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:02,879 to Tell me more. 428 00:16:03,259 --> 00:16:04,559 Well, so for example, 429 00:16:05,259 --> 00:16:07,519 if I tell my story as an acorn, 430 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:10,475 I might say that the acorn needed to 431 00:16:10,475 --> 00:16:12,394 go into a time of darkness into the 432 00:16:12,394 --> 00:16:14,955 ground. It needed to be crushed. The shell 433 00:16:14,955 --> 00:16:16,095 needed to shatter. 434 00:16:16,875 --> 00:16:18,735 But when the acorn yielded 435 00:16:19,355 --> 00:16:20,894 to a period of darkness, 436 00:16:22,170 --> 00:16:23,710 a period of unknown, 437 00:16:24,090 --> 00:16:26,570 a period of not being able to see 438 00:16:26,570 --> 00:16:28,570 or to manage, to let go of an 439 00:16:28,570 --> 00:16:30,649 exterior shell that had kept it safe for 440 00:16:30,649 --> 00:16:33,225 a long time and yielded to a process, 441 00:16:33,865 --> 00:16:36,424 this incredible thing happened. These roots developed, and 442 00:16:36,424 --> 00:16:36,664 this 443 00:16:37,304 --> 00:16:39,144 one day, it shot out of the ground 444 00:16:39,144 --> 00:16:41,324 and experienced light for the first time. 445 00:16:41,704 --> 00:16:44,345 And it expanded into being, and it discovered 446 00:16:44,345 --> 00:16:45,725 that it's an oak tree. 447 00:16:46,184 --> 00:16:48,284 What if that's the story? 448 00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:50,559 I am an oak tree. 449 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:51,919 Great illustration. 450 00:16:52,779 --> 00:16:53,519 That's wonderful. 451 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:56,559 You say here 452 00:16:57,019 --> 00:16:58,240 in the 3rd verse, 453 00:16:58,940 --> 00:17:01,179 there's no shame in my weakness, but only 454 00:17:01,179 --> 00:17:01,679 love, 455 00:17:01,995 --> 00:17:05,615 which again reinforces your idea facing our weakness 456 00:17:05,835 --> 00:17:08,234 and integrating it into our life. And then 457 00:17:08,234 --> 00:17:08,974 you say, 458 00:17:09,674 --> 00:17:11,454 And nothing can take me 459 00:17:12,154 --> 00:17:12,654 apart. 460 00:17:13,115 --> 00:17:13,615 Yes. 461 00:17:15,070 --> 00:17:17,890 Why do we have an inherent fear 462 00:17:18,509 --> 00:17:20,910 of being unfinished? Why are we always trying 463 00:17:20,910 --> 00:17:21,890 to finish ourselves 464 00:17:22,190 --> 00:17:22,690 prematurely 465 00:17:23,630 --> 00:17:25,090 to feel like we've arrived? 466 00:17:26,430 --> 00:17:29,090 There's so much pressure in in our culture 467 00:17:29,615 --> 00:17:31,455 to look a certain way, to be a 468 00:17:31,455 --> 00:17:32,275 certain thing. 469 00:17:33,375 --> 00:17:34,755 There's just so much pressure, 470 00:17:35,295 --> 00:17:37,615 especially now even with social media. This is 471 00:17:37,615 --> 00:17:39,934 what it looks like to have arrived, to 472 00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:40,674 have success, 473 00:17:41,455 --> 00:17:43,695 to have letters behind your name, to have 474 00:17:43,695 --> 00:17:44,755 a certain salary, 475 00:17:45,380 --> 00:17:47,320 to have a certain kind of relationship, 476 00:17:48,259 --> 00:17:49,480 then you'll be happy. 477 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:53,160 Happiness doesn't come from any of those things. 478 00:17:53,860 --> 00:17:56,259 But why do people believe that? Those are 479 00:17:56,259 --> 00:17:58,039 the messages that we hear 480 00:17:58,865 --> 00:18:01,445 over and over and over again externally. 481 00:18:02,144 --> 00:18:04,065 And so the whole work of soul care 482 00:18:04,065 --> 00:18:06,884 is to learn an internal landscape, 483 00:18:07,664 --> 00:18:10,325 the internal song of our soul, because that 484 00:18:10,465 --> 00:18:12,305 is where we hear a very, very different 485 00:18:12,305 --> 00:18:12,805 message. 486 00:18:13,789 --> 00:18:15,950 It's a different message than what our culture 487 00:18:15,950 --> 00:18:18,990 is telling us, than what many institutions are 488 00:18:18,990 --> 00:18:21,890 telling us, that we are loved and 489 00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:25,250 and celebrated if we have blah blah blah. 490 00:18:25,549 --> 00:18:27,649 The internal message of the soul 491 00:18:28,325 --> 00:18:29,224 is so 492 00:18:29,525 --> 00:18:30,025 exciting, 493 00:18:30,325 --> 00:18:31,464 Roy. It's just 494 00:18:32,404 --> 00:18:34,424 I I just can't get enough of it. 495 00:18:34,884 --> 00:18:36,265 It holds this song. 496 00:18:37,204 --> 00:18:39,384 There's a preciousness to your life, 497 00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:42,420 and that there's nothing that can take you 498 00:18:42,420 --> 00:18:43,799 apart from that reality. 499 00:18:45,539 --> 00:18:48,660 It's there. It's inherent to our being that 500 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:51,299 you are loved, that you are cherished, that 501 00:18:51,299 --> 00:18:52,599 your life matters, 502 00:18:53,140 --> 00:18:54,519 that you are beautiful. 503 00:18:55,994 --> 00:18:58,474 This is what we discover when we reconnect 504 00:18:58,474 --> 00:18:59,855 with the truth of our being. 505 00:19:11,329 --> 00:19:12,710 You have in your chorus 506 00:19:13,169 --> 00:19:14,230 of this song 507 00:19:14,929 --> 00:19:18,609 and love smiles and whispers and calls me 508 00:19:18,609 --> 00:19:21,009 to sing, to sing out my life from 509 00:19:21,009 --> 00:19:21,750 my heart. 510 00:19:22,529 --> 00:19:24,950 But you wrote down love with a capital 511 00:19:25,404 --> 00:19:25,904 l. 512 00:19:26,444 --> 00:19:28,444 And now I don't want to be too 513 00:19:28,444 --> 00:19:28,944 spiritual, 514 00:19:29,565 --> 00:19:31,484 and I don't want to get you into 515 00:19:31,484 --> 00:19:31,984 trouble, 516 00:19:32,525 --> 00:19:33,825 but I'd be curious 517 00:19:34,765 --> 00:19:37,644 what the love with a capital l is. 518 00:19:37,644 --> 00:19:39,884 Is it a life force? Is it a 519 00:19:39,884 --> 00:19:41,220 spirit of hope? Is it 520 00:19:42,099 --> 00:19:44,500 someone or something inside us or outside of 521 00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:45,000 us? 522 00:19:46,179 --> 00:19:48,099 When I was on a 8 day silent 523 00:19:48,099 --> 00:19:50,900 retreat on Bowen Island a number of years 524 00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:51,400 ago, 525 00:19:51,859 --> 00:19:53,140 there's not a lot to do on a 526 00:19:53,140 --> 00:19:55,654 silent retreat, Roy. You you are silent, and 527 00:19:55,654 --> 00:19:57,994 you get very excited for the next meal 528 00:19:58,375 --> 00:20:01,275 because food becomes something to look forward to. 529 00:20:01,414 --> 00:20:04,295 So I was lying on bench waiting for 530 00:20:04,295 --> 00:20:05,275 the next meal 531 00:20:05,734 --> 00:20:08,154 and having a memory of feeling ashamed. 532 00:20:09,015 --> 00:20:10,315 And in that moment, 533 00:20:11,059 --> 00:20:14,740 there was a sense of loving energy that 534 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:15,799 surrounded me. 535 00:20:16,579 --> 00:20:18,119 We call it the God reality, 536 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:19,960 the sacred reality, 537 00:20:20,660 --> 00:20:21,960 the ground of all being. 538 00:20:22,934 --> 00:20:25,674 There's been no language to fully explain 539 00:20:26,134 --> 00:20:26,954 this reality. 540 00:20:27,815 --> 00:20:29,994 I grew up saying that's God. 541 00:20:30,855 --> 00:20:31,914 After that moment, 542 00:20:32,294 --> 00:20:34,075 I called that reality 543 00:20:35,069 --> 00:20:35,569 Love 544 00:20:35,869 --> 00:20:36,769 with a capital 545 00:20:37,869 --> 00:20:40,049 l because it was an experience 546 00:20:41,149 --> 00:20:42,450 of such profound, 547 00:20:43,950 --> 00:20:45,009 tender grace. 548 00:20:45,549 --> 00:20:48,369 And in that experience was a deep awareness 549 00:20:49,494 --> 00:20:53,755 that there was no shame in my weakness, 550 00:20:54,535 --> 00:20:55,595 but only 551 00:20:56,454 --> 00:20:56,954 love, 552 00:20:57,734 --> 00:20:59,355 and that I was invited 553 00:21:00,535 --> 00:21:02,295 to know this at the depths of my 554 00:21:02,295 --> 00:21:02,795 being 555 00:21:03,460 --> 00:21:06,360 and to dare to sing from that place. 556 00:21:07,299 --> 00:21:07,799 And 557 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:09,880 and that was life transforming 558 00:21:10,259 --> 00:21:11,559 for me. Wow. 559 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:15,559 Lastly, you talk about all exposed 560 00:21:16,355 --> 00:21:18,775 and revealed in the mercy of love. 561 00:21:19,075 --> 00:21:21,494 We've just talked about the mercy of 562 00:21:21,795 --> 00:21:22,295 that 563 00:21:22,994 --> 00:21:23,494 divinity 564 00:21:23,795 --> 00:21:26,215 that is around us. Yes. That that otherness, 565 00:21:26,275 --> 00:21:26,775 that 566 00:21:27,315 --> 00:21:29,894 mystical sense of love permeating 567 00:21:30,595 --> 00:21:31,335 all things 568 00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:37,049 Is exposed and revealed an ongoing process, or 569 00:21:37,049 --> 00:21:39,690 is it something we discover once and try 570 00:21:39,690 --> 00:21:41,210 to live in the light of that? Or 571 00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:41,869 is it 572 00:21:42,490 --> 00:21:44,029 an aching back and forth? 573 00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:46,910 Well, 574 00:21:47,825 --> 00:21:50,464 my own experience is that this is the 575 00:21:50,464 --> 00:21:51,845 trajectory of life, 576 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:54,005 to walk in this place of humility, 577 00:21:54,384 --> 00:21:57,205 of of being exposed, of allowing 578 00:21:57,984 --> 00:21:59,605 my fears, my anxieties, 579 00:22:00,144 --> 00:22:02,690 my struggles to be exposed, but to know 580 00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:03,190 that 581 00:22:03,650 --> 00:22:07,090 there's no shame and to turn tenderly towards 582 00:22:07,090 --> 00:22:08,390 them, to know that 583 00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:09,910 this mystery 584 00:22:10,289 --> 00:22:12,950 of the sacred reality is also 585 00:22:13,914 --> 00:22:15,454 holding a tender posture 586 00:22:15,755 --> 00:22:17,535 towards me, within me, 587 00:22:18,154 --> 00:22:20,015 so that there's no shame 588 00:22:20,875 --> 00:22:22,954 and that's a continual journey for the rest 589 00:22:22,954 --> 00:22:24,575 of my my life. 590 00:22:25,195 --> 00:22:27,240 That's very exciting to me. 591 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:28,859 There's a quote. 592 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:32,460 We're not human beings having a spiritual experience. 593 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,220 We're spiritual beings having a human experience. Yes. 594 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:38,119 Have you heard that before? Yes. I have. 595 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,720 It reminded me when you said we're just 596 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,440 having a human experience. You sense there's something 597 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,184 deep in us 598 00:22:44,144 --> 00:22:44,805 that is 599 00:22:45,105 --> 00:22:47,985 eternal Yes. Which I think you allude to 600 00:22:47,985 --> 00:22:50,545 in your book, pause Yeah. And especially in 601 00:22:50,545 --> 00:22:53,505 that chapter, Friendship of the Soul Yes. That 602 00:22:53,505 --> 00:22:56,705 our humanity gets in the way of a 603 00:22:56,705 --> 00:22:57,205 larger 604 00:22:57,585 --> 00:22:58,085 reconciliation. 605 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,779 Well, one spiritual director 606 00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:04,279 said, we haven't actually explored the fullness of 607 00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:05,259 what our humanity 608 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,460 can be. 609 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:07,980 When we reconcile 610 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,140 with this part of us that is eternal, 611 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:11,924 there's something that 612 00:23:12,485 --> 00:23:15,305 expands our human experience. It makes us more 613 00:23:16,005 --> 00:23:16,505 alive, 614 00:23:17,365 --> 00:23:19,305 more aware, more awake. 615 00:23:19,845 --> 00:23:22,105 But it is true, as you say, that 616 00:23:22,485 --> 00:23:25,225 in our human experience, there are these places 617 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:26,819 where we get hooked, 618 00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:30,559 where we get anxious, where we feel that 619 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:31,700 place of disconnection. 620 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,960 One of the ideas that comes out of 621 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:35,859 Celtic spirituality 622 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,579 is of being encircled. 623 00:23:39,725 --> 00:23:42,125 And I think our western mind is more 624 00:23:42,125 --> 00:23:42,625 linear, 625 00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:45,725 this trajectory of a straight line. But the 626 00:23:45,725 --> 00:23:48,285 Celtic mind was more circular. There was a 627 00:23:48,285 --> 00:23:51,904 sense of always being held, always being encircled, 628 00:23:52,045 --> 00:23:52,945 always being 629 00:23:53,325 --> 00:23:53,825 enfolded. 630 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,679 Is that like the, behind me, before me, 631 00:23:57,679 --> 00:24:00,640 above me, below me? Yes. I think that's 632 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,440 Saint Patrick. Yes. And that comes out of 633 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,099 a deep 634 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,880 way of being that's embedded in in the 635 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,184 Celtic thought. The sense of being encircled, being 636 00:24:10,184 --> 00:24:11,644 held, that is 637 00:24:12,025 --> 00:24:14,744 a deep part of what my experience has 638 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:16,664 been with this sense of this presence of 639 00:24:16,664 --> 00:24:19,144 love that that nothing can take us apart 640 00:24:19,144 --> 00:24:19,644 from 641 00:24:20,025 --> 00:24:20,845 that reality 642 00:24:21,144 --> 00:24:22,845 when we become aware of it. 643 00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:26,059 Before we play the song at the end 644 00:24:26,059 --> 00:24:26,960 of this episode, 645 00:24:27,259 --> 00:24:29,579 do you have any last thoughts that you 646 00:24:29,579 --> 00:24:31,339 wanna say about the song that we haven't 647 00:24:31,339 --> 00:24:31,839 covered? 648 00:24:32,779 --> 00:24:34,700 Well, I think the line that's really sticking 649 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:36,299 out to me as we talk is this 650 00:24:36,299 --> 00:24:38,159 line and calls me to sing. 651 00:24:38,775 --> 00:24:40,134 I I think we all have a song 652 00:24:40,134 --> 00:24:42,295 to sing. Uh-huh. I think we all have 653 00:24:42,295 --> 00:24:44,295 something to bring to the world. It may 654 00:24:44,295 --> 00:24:46,075 be very, very simple, 655 00:24:46,455 --> 00:24:47,835 but it's to dare 656 00:24:48,295 --> 00:24:49,035 to live 657 00:24:49,335 --> 00:24:51,755 the life that we've been called to live. 658 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,759 And I wanna invite each of us to 659 00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:55,899 dare to live. 660 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,339 Thank you so much 661 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,779 for your thoughtful 662 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:02,200 comments on the song and now we're gonna 663 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,740 play Kathy Hardy's 664 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:05,899 unfinished song. 665 00:25:09,715 --> 00:25:10,934 I was waiting 666 00:25:11,394 --> 00:25:11,894 for 667 00:25:12,515 --> 00:25:13,255 the last 668 00:25:13,634 --> 00:25:14,134 perfect 669 00:25:14,674 --> 00:25:15,174 note, 670 00:25:15,475 --> 00:25:17,015 a sweet melody 671 00:25:17,634 --> 00:25:19,255 to sing along. 672 00:25:20,595 --> 00:25:21,570 I was 673 00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:23,170 yearning for 674 00:25:23,950 --> 00:25:26,210 my heart to be here, 675 00:25:30,910 --> 00:25:31,410 but 676 00:25:34,670 --> 00:25:35,730 I am an 677 00:25:36,029 --> 00:25:36,529 unfinished 678 00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:43,164 song. I had thought 679 00:25:43,464 --> 00:25:44,444 my blemishes 680 00:25:45,384 --> 00:25:46,684 would be normal. 681 00:25:47,865 --> 00:25:48,684 I thought 682 00:25:49,144 --> 00:25:50,369 my wounds would 683 00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:51,829 be gone. 684 00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:54,069 I did not 685 00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:55,190 understand 686 00:25:56,289 --> 00:25:57,349 the beauty 687 00:25:57,650 --> 00:25:58,470 of this 688 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,859 of my unknown 689 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:47,059 fish 690 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:50,099 song. 691 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:54,819 How strange 692 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,285 it is that the shadow 693 00:26:57,684 --> 00:26:58,744 shadowed in me. 694 00:26:59,924 --> 00:27:03,445 Smells like a rose is to love's due 695 00:27:03,445 --> 00:27:03,945 heart. 696 00:27:05,045 --> 00:27:07,224 No shame in my weakness, 697 00:27:08,244 --> 00:27:09,144 but only 698 00:29:26,674 --> 00:29:29,315 I'm Roy Salmon, and thank you for listening 699 00:29:29,315 --> 00:29:30,375 to another episode 700 00:29:31,589 --> 00:29:32,970 of Soul Care 701 00:29:33,349 --> 00:29:33,849 Reflections 702 00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:35,289 with 703 00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:36,170 Kathy 704 00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:37,369 AJ Hardy. 705 00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:39,349 If you want to know more about her 706 00:29:39,349 --> 00:29:40,170 and her work, 707 00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:42,089 please go to kathyaghardy.com 708 00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:45,769 and to soulcare. 709 00:29:47,335 --> 00:29:47,835 Dotca. 710 00:29:49,255 --> 00:29:50,234 Thanks for listening.