WEBVTT 00:00:02.068 --> 00:00:02.689 All right. 00:00:02.809 --> 00:00:03.669 I just want to welcome 00:00:03.769 --> 00:00:07.671 everyone to our AOPT podcast, Hands Off, 00:00:07.711 --> 00:00:08.473 Hands On. 00:00:08.612 --> 00:00:09.933 And it's my pleasure to have 00:00:10.375 --> 00:00:12.435 our conference chair, Derek Clewley, 00:00:12.455 --> 00:00:13.237 with me today. 00:00:13.776 --> 00:00:15.018 So we can talk about all 00:00:15.057 --> 00:00:16.539 things conference and 00:00:16.579 --> 00:00:17.960 hopefully give a preview to 00:00:18.100 --> 00:00:19.402 our listeners about what 00:00:19.422 --> 00:00:21.382 they might be excited to 00:00:21.463 --> 00:00:25.946 see in person in Orlando or virtual, 00:00:25.966 --> 00:00:27.908 because that is always an option as well. 00:00:27.968 --> 00:00:28.888 So thank you, Derek, 00:00:28.908 --> 00:00:30.149 for coming and joining us today. 00:00:30.925 --> 00:00:32.085 Yeah, thank you for having me. 00:00:32.225 --> 00:00:32.845 I'm excited. 00:00:33.286 --> 00:00:35.887 Isn't it weird that conferences, well, 00:00:35.908 --> 00:00:37.027 I guess I'm recording this 00:00:37.649 --> 00:00:38.988 just a little over a month away, 00:00:39.770 --> 00:00:41.109 which is absolutely insane 00:00:41.149 --> 00:00:42.451 how fast the time is flying, 00:00:42.511 --> 00:00:43.652 but always one of my 00:00:43.671 --> 00:00:44.491 favorite times of the year 00:00:44.531 --> 00:00:46.652 because obviously with the 00:00:46.692 --> 00:00:48.213 changes of seasons and things like that, 00:00:48.234 --> 00:00:49.674 but it's also conference 00:00:49.695 --> 00:00:51.335 time and it's a chance for 00:00:51.655 --> 00:00:53.837 us to get to meet and 00:00:54.277 --> 00:00:56.177 reconvene and such with everybody. 00:00:56.237 --> 00:00:57.459 So thanks for having me on the show. 00:00:57.478 --> 00:00:58.518 I'm excited to talk a little 00:00:58.539 --> 00:00:59.759 bit about the conference today. 00:01:00.506 --> 00:01:01.226 Well, Derek, 00:01:01.267 --> 00:01:02.426 you and I usually do this with 00:01:02.487 --> 00:01:03.128 other speakers. 00:01:03.167 --> 00:01:04.209 So it's like really weird 00:01:04.248 --> 00:01:05.430 for us just to be you and I 00:01:05.870 --> 00:01:07.230 kind of talking to each other. 00:01:07.331 --> 00:01:09.153 So I'm really grateful for it. 00:01:09.192 --> 00:01:11.233 So I do want you to go ahead 00:01:11.274 --> 00:01:12.694 and tell our listeners 00:01:12.814 --> 00:01:14.156 where conference is at this 00:01:14.195 --> 00:01:16.158 year and give us a little 00:01:16.197 --> 00:01:17.358 bit of a preview and maybe 00:01:17.379 --> 00:01:18.540 about what you're excited for. 00:01:19.605 --> 00:01:19.844 Yeah. 00:01:19.864 --> 00:01:21.867 So conferences in Orlando, you know, 00:01:21.887 --> 00:01:22.807 we're back in Orlando. 00:01:22.826 --> 00:01:24.587 We were in Orlando in twenty nineteen, 00:01:24.628 --> 00:01:26.390 which, you know, believe it or not, 00:01:26.450 --> 00:01:28.650 was about six months before 00:01:28.691 --> 00:01:29.731 the world changed or four 00:01:29.772 --> 00:01:30.451 months before the world 00:01:30.471 --> 00:01:31.212 changed with COVID. 00:01:32.112 --> 00:01:33.935 So we do get the opportunity 00:01:33.954 --> 00:01:34.974 to come back to Orlando. 00:01:35.015 --> 00:01:36.236 It's a great conference city, 00:01:36.316 --> 00:01:37.436 obviously one of the big. 00:01:37.716 --> 00:01:38.558 conference cities. 00:01:38.957 --> 00:01:40.518 And we're really excited to 00:01:40.558 --> 00:01:43.519 be at the Rosen Shingle Resort. 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:46.120 It's a resort that does sit 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.061 kind of independently off-site, 00:01:48.102 --> 00:01:49.843 but it is a beautiful spot. 00:01:50.283 --> 00:01:51.683 If you get a chance to look at it, 00:01:51.724 --> 00:01:53.344 if you go on the website for AOMT, 00:01:53.364 --> 00:01:54.805 then you can certainly 00:01:54.864 --> 00:01:55.745 explore some of the 00:01:56.286 --> 00:01:57.686 the area that the conference 00:01:57.746 --> 00:01:59.367 actually is in it's 00:01:59.406 --> 00:02:00.167 wonderful I mean it's 00:02:00.186 --> 00:02:01.707 amazing and you know and 00:02:01.748 --> 00:02:03.147 it's not that it's away 00:02:03.188 --> 00:02:04.209 from all the other things 00:02:04.228 --> 00:02:05.168 you can certainly make it a 00:02:05.349 --> 00:02:06.528 orlando type of a weekend 00:02:06.549 --> 00:02:07.489 as well but it's also nice 00:02:07.530 --> 00:02:08.409 because it is a little bit 00:02:08.430 --> 00:02:10.431 away from everything and so 00:02:11.431 --> 00:02:12.211 We're excited to be there. 00:02:13.052 --> 00:02:15.075 We've been planning this for 00:02:15.116 --> 00:02:16.859 a little while because it 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:20.323 was going to be our iFOMP post-city. 00:02:20.503 --> 00:02:22.747 And so when you think about 00:02:22.787 --> 00:02:24.709 planning an iFOMP conference, 00:02:25.389 --> 00:02:28.193 you really want to showcase the 00:02:28.313 --> 00:02:30.855 to the world what you're going to bring. 00:02:30.876 --> 00:02:31.736 And unfortunately, 00:02:31.757 --> 00:02:33.938 we didn't get the iFOMPT bid, 00:02:34.058 --> 00:02:35.620 but that means that we were 00:02:35.700 --> 00:02:37.401 able to still have our AOMT 00:02:37.421 --> 00:02:39.544 conference at this facility, 00:02:39.584 --> 00:02:42.186 which is really a world-class facility, 00:02:42.205 --> 00:02:42.766 because that's really what 00:02:42.787 --> 00:02:43.788 we were trying to do is 00:02:44.487 --> 00:02:45.568 create that kind of an 00:02:45.628 --> 00:02:47.790 experience and an international platform. 00:02:47.811 --> 00:02:48.290 But we're going to do it 00:02:48.312 --> 00:02:51.274 here with our US folks and 00:02:51.433 --> 00:02:53.075 make it a big splash. 00:02:53.596 --> 00:02:54.417 So I think that you asked, 00:02:54.456 --> 00:02:55.337 what am I excited about? 00:02:55.377 --> 00:02:55.859 I mean, obviously, 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:57.600 I'm excited about the location. 00:02:57.881 --> 00:02:58.622 I think that's one of the 00:02:58.641 --> 00:03:00.403 big things our conference 00:03:00.424 --> 00:03:01.844 attendees look for is just 00:03:01.884 --> 00:03:03.967 a way to sort of have their 00:03:04.108 --> 00:03:06.570 nerdcation away from things 00:03:06.631 --> 00:03:08.293 and sort of make sure that 00:03:08.332 --> 00:03:09.973 it's in a spot that is fun and nice. 00:03:10.534 --> 00:03:11.935 But I'm also excited because 00:03:12.014 --> 00:03:13.716 I think this year we have a 00:03:13.836 --> 00:03:16.296 really amazing lineup as well. 00:03:16.356 --> 00:03:16.917 And I know that you'll 00:03:16.937 --> 00:03:17.516 probably ask me some 00:03:17.537 --> 00:03:18.697 questions about that lineup, 00:03:19.018 --> 00:03:19.897 but I'm really excited 00:03:19.918 --> 00:03:21.217 about who we're bringing in, you know, 00:03:21.237 --> 00:03:22.598 two international speakers, 00:03:22.959 --> 00:03:24.019 some interprofessional 00:03:24.979 --> 00:03:26.599 presenters and so on. 00:03:26.939 --> 00:03:27.719 And so I think this 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:28.500 conference has the 00:03:28.539 --> 00:03:30.241 opportunity and the chance to be one that, 00:03:30.281 --> 00:03:30.540 you know, 00:03:30.580 --> 00:03:32.942 people will talk about for a long time. 00:03:33.241 --> 00:03:35.663 So, you know, when I look at the website, 00:03:35.703 --> 00:03:35.983 right, 00:03:36.022 --> 00:03:37.723 so we have it looks like some 00:03:37.742 --> 00:03:38.703 similar structures. 00:03:38.743 --> 00:03:40.283 So those who've been to conference before 00:03:40.693 --> 00:03:41.634 hopefully know that we do a 00:03:41.675 --> 00:03:43.257 lot of our pre-conferences 00:03:44.098 --> 00:03:46.080 early on Wednesday and some on Thursday. 00:03:46.100 --> 00:03:46.882 Is there anything you want 00:03:46.901 --> 00:03:47.823 to highlight about those 00:03:47.862 --> 00:03:49.544 pre-conferences or anything 00:03:49.585 --> 00:03:50.645 that our listeners should 00:03:51.007 --> 00:03:52.908 know about on those pre-conference ideas? 00:03:53.669 --> 00:03:53.989 Yeah, I mean, 00:03:54.008 --> 00:03:55.569 the pre-cons are obviously a 00:03:55.610 --> 00:03:56.971 great chance to get a 00:03:57.010 --> 00:03:58.331 little bit more of your 00:03:58.451 --> 00:03:59.552 typical continuing 00:03:59.612 --> 00:04:02.175 education type education training. 00:04:03.096 --> 00:04:05.537 So we do have a few pre-cons. 00:04:05.556 --> 00:04:05.736 You know, 00:04:05.776 --> 00:04:07.258 Jeremy Lewis is going to be doing 00:04:07.318 --> 00:04:08.740 some of his pre-con work, 00:04:08.780 --> 00:04:11.300 which is one of our keynote presenters. 00:04:11.341 --> 00:04:12.102 And if you know anything 00:04:12.122 --> 00:04:14.203 about Jeremy Lewis, or I should say, 00:04:14.223 --> 00:04:15.484 if you know anything about the shoulder, 00:04:15.524 --> 00:04:16.185 you probably have 00:04:16.225 --> 00:04:18.026 encountered Jeremy Lewis's shoulder. 00:04:18.865 --> 00:04:21.146 He certainly is one of, you know, 00:04:21.747 --> 00:04:22.747 the heavy hitters in the 00:04:22.867 --> 00:04:24.069 area of shoulder rehab. 00:04:24.468 --> 00:04:25.069 So I think, you know, 00:04:25.129 --> 00:04:26.649 obviously that's a super 00:04:26.689 --> 00:04:31.411 exciting time to look ahead at. 00:04:31.973 --> 00:04:32.132 You know, 00:04:32.153 --> 00:04:33.793 we've got all kinds of different 00:04:34.014 --> 00:04:35.653 pre-con activity. 00:04:35.694 --> 00:04:35.915 You know, 00:04:35.954 --> 00:04:38.076 we have things that are very hands-on, 00:04:38.136 --> 00:04:38.915 which I think is one of the 00:04:38.956 --> 00:04:41.096 things that makes pre-con 00:04:41.716 --> 00:04:43.398 even better is when you get a 00:04:45.379 --> 00:04:46.620 therapists by and large. 00:04:46.660 --> 00:04:48.701 And so we want to put our hands on folks. 00:04:48.721 --> 00:04:50.083 And so we do have conference 00:04:50.343 --> 00:04:51.944 pre-con planning that 00:04:51.985 --> 00:04:53.146 actually is very specific 00:04:53.185 --> 00:04:55.247 to manual manipulative therapy. 00:04:55.307 --> 00:04:57.649 And so we've got some big 00:04:58.589 --> 00:05:00.091 con ed providers type 00:05:00.132 --> 00:05:00.932 things that are going to be 00:05:00.992 --> 00:05:02.413 presenting in those areas. 00:05:02.434 --> 00:05:03.555 But we also have pre-con 00:05:03.595 --> 00:05:04.956 that is also looking at 00:05:05.475 --> 00:05:07.677 you know sort of other ways 00:05:07.737 --> 00:05:08.737 that when we think about 00:05:09.478 --> 00:05:10.759 manual therapy like even 00:05:10.778 --> 00:05:11.798 just you know motivational 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:12.939 interviewing and other 00:05:12.980 --> 00:05:14.160 sorts of skill sets and 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:15.920 such that comes into play 00:05:15.940 --> 00:05:18.081 with the pre-cons and then 00:05:18.182 --> 00:05:19.483 yeah like you said the 00:05:19.502 --> 00:05:21.543 structure typically is is 00:05:21.564 --> 00:05:22.903 by and large very similar 00:05:22.944 --> 00:05:23.745 to what we have done in the 00:05:23.785 --> 00:05:25.346 past it seems to work 00:05:25.406 --> 00:05:27.826 really well we want to give our uh 00:05:28.771 --> 00:05:30.112 you know, those early days, 00:05:30.572 --> 00:05:35.353 those main stage presentations and such, 00:05:35.894 --> 00:05:36.634 and everybody gets kind of 00:05:36.653 --> 00:05:37.694 excited around those things. 00:05:37.754 --> 00:05:39.014 And then during the weekend, 00:05:39.074 --> 00:05:40.134 we go into our, you know, 00:05:40.154 --> 00:05:41.875 more of our breakout 00:05:41.915 --> 00:05:43.755 sessions where attendees 00:05:43.776 --> 00:05:45.216 can sort of a la carte, 00:05:45.576 --> 00:05:46.916 pick out what they want to 00:05:47.096 --> 00:05:48.497 explore in terms of their 00:05:48.596 --> 00:05:50.278 professional navigation and such. 00:05:51.517 --> 00:05:52.579 Whatever it is that I think 00:05:52.598 --> 00:05:53.660 that you are interested in, 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:54.839 I think you're definitely 00:05:54.860 --> 00:05:58.463 going to find it within the weekend. 00:05:58.903 --> 00:05:59.584 And if you want to make an 00:05:59.644 --> 00:06:01.485 extended weekend, by all means, 00:06:01.504 --> 00:06:02.685 the pre-con courses will 00:06:03.086 --> 00:06:04.627 establish some of that activity. 00:06:05.384 --> 00:06:05.884 Awesome. 00:06:06.324 --> 00:06:07.264 And then, you know, 00:06:07.365 --> 00:06:08.404 tell us a little bit more 00:06:08.485 --> 00:06:10.065 about our traditional Friday. 00:06:10.125 --> 00:06:11.206 So Fridays, 00:06:11.247 --> 00:06:12.726 we typically have our keynotes 00:06:12.887 --> 00:06:14.708 on the main stage and a 00:06:14.747 --> 00:06:16.069 little bit and maybe to Saturday. 00:06:16.108 --> 00:06:17.449 So I would love to know who 00:06:17.468 --> 00:06:18.449 are some of the lineup. 00:06:18.529 --> 00:06:19.569 I know you spoke to a little 00:06:19.589 --> 00:06:21.730 bit about the distinguished, excuse me, 00:06:21.790 --> 00:06:23.932 some of the international speakers, 00:06:24.271 --> 00:06:25.452 but even distinguished 00:06:25.473 --> 00:06:26.452 speakers that we have. 00:06:26.512 --> 00:06:27.673 So can you give us a little 00:06:27.713 --> 00:06:29.855 bit of more about that lineup? 00:06:29.915 --> 00:06:31.415 Yeah, so we're really excited. 00:06:31.435 --> 00:06:31.615 You know, 00:06:31.675 --> 00:06:32.596 I talked a little bit earlier 00:06:32.615 --> 00:06:34.317 about how we were looking to 00:06:34.718 --> 00:06:35.480 potentially bringing in an 00:06:35.500 --> 00:06:36.302 eye pump this year. 00:06:36.723 --> 00:06:37.826 We actually have a bit of an 00:06:37.966 --> 00:06:41.033 international flavor with regards to our 00:06:42.576 --> 00:06:43.937 you know, keynote presenters. 00:06:45.019 --> 00:06:46.500 Jeremy Lewis, who I already mentioned, 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:48.600 he is somebody I think that 00:06:48.620 --> 00:06:49.521 a lot of people are going 00:06:49.562 --> 00:06:51.463 to really enjoy hearing from. 00:06:51.483 --> 00:06:52.663 I've had a chance to talk 00:06:52.684 --> 00:06:54.706 with him in the past and, you know, 00:06:54.725 --> 00:06:56.146 he's a really big supporter 00:06:56.387 --> 00:06:57.788 of manual therapy. 00:06:57.848 --> 00:06:59.769 He's a big supporter of kind 00:06:59.810 --> 00:07:01.290 of what that can do for the 00:07:01.370 --> 00:07:02.151 shoulder and such. 00:07:02.170 --> 00:07:03.271 And if you look at his 00:07:03.692 --> 00:07:05.093 training and sort of his legacy, 00:07:05.134 --> 00:07:06.014 which got him to where he 00:07:06.074 --> 00:07:07.295 is at now in terms of 00:07:07.375 --> 00:07:08.435 shoulder research and 00:07:08.636 --> 00:07:09.557 you'll see a lot of the 00:07:09.617 --> 00:07:10.896 threads that a lot of 00:07:11.298 --> 00:07:12.257 clinicians will see 00:07:12.358 --> 00:07:13.459 familiar in terms of 00:07:13.538 --> 00:07:15.279 training and including, you know, 00:07:15.300 --> 00:07:17.021 training under manual therapists, 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.403 including, you know, some of the, the, 00:07:20.423 --> 00:07:23.464 the big names and in manual therapy. 00:07:23.504 --> 00:07:23.625 And I, 00:07:23.644 --> 00:07:25.086 so I think a lot of people are going 00:07:25.105 --> 00:07:26.225 to really enjoy seeing him 00:07:26.365 --> 00:07:27.487 on the main stage. 00:07:28.026 --> 00:07:28.708 You know, we've got, 00:07:29.750 --> 00:07:30.391 Sarah Piva, 00:07:30.651 --> 00:07:33.553 who is at the University of Pittsburgh. 00:07:34.915 --> 00:07:36.677 She's actually, I was talking to her, 00:07:36.697 --> 00:07:38.218 it was funny because she 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:40.100 has gone through fellowship training. 00:07:40.620 --> 00:07:42.281 And when we told her that 00:07:42.622 --> 00:07:43.403 you can still be a fellow, 00:07:43.442 --> 00:07:44.944 so she was super excited 00:07:45.504 --> 00:07:47.487 that she actually can 00:07:47.687 --> 00:07:48.848 reestablish some of those 00:07:49.269 --> 00:07:50.930 connections, but you know, 00:07:51.009 --> 00:07:52.509 a lot of her work, uh, 00:07:52.550 --> 00:07:54.350 most recently has been in 00:07:54.370 --> 00:07:55.932 the area of me away, uh, and, 00:07:56.531 --> 00:07:58.093 and pain management and 00:07:58.153 --> 00:08:00.153 research in that area, in that topic, 00:08:00.512 --> 00:08:00.994 but she's also 00:08:01.033 --> 00:08:03.134 transitioning a little bit with, um, 00:08:03.175 --> 00:08:04.574 going back into researching 00:08:04.634 --> 00:08:05.694 some of the lumbar spine. 00:08:05.735 --> 00:08:06.576 So I think that she's going 00:08:06.596 --> 00:08:07.935 to integrate some of that. 00:08:08.175 --> 00:08:08.297 Um, 00:08:08.336 --> 00:08:10.776 certainly I think looking at how manual 00:08:10.817 --> 00:08:11.677 therapy can kind of 00:08:11.737 --> 00:08:13.399 interplay into that as part of her, 00:08:13.538 --> 00:08:14.499 her work for sure. 00:08:15.464 --> 00:08:18.185 And then we have Nathan Hutting, who is, 00:08:18.326 --> 00:08:18.625 you know, 00:08:19.166 --> 00:08:22.108 a very large name in manual 00:08:22.127 --> 00:08:24.228 therapy across the globe, really. 00:08:24.269 --> 00:08:24.569 I mean, 00:08:24.649 --> 00:08:27.889 he is a very involved and engaged 00:08:28.329 --> 00:08:30.490 individual with IPOMT. 00:08:31.331 --> 00:08:34.513 He has been to AOMT before to present. 00:08:35.206 --> 00:08:36.966 And he is always, 00:08:37.366 --> 00:08:39.067 always well-liked and 00:08:39.128 --> 00:08:40.928 well-received in the things 00:08:40.950 --> 00:08:42.650 that he has been able to offer. 00:08:42.691 --> 00:08:44.211 And to have him on the main 00:08:44.230 --> 00:08:45.591 stage is going to be a lot of fun. 00:08:45.731 --> 00:08:49.014 I think his approach and his 00:08:49.033 --> 00:08:50.835 ability to present is 00:08:50.975 --> 00:08:52.856 pretty fascinating in a 00:08:52.937 --> 00:08:54.618 very engaging sort of a way. 00:08:54.677 --> 00:08:56.379 And he'll present mostly on 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:57.818 neck-related issues as that 00:08:57.899 --> 00:08:59.019 is part of his expertise, 00:08:59.059 --> 00:08:59.561 I would imagine. 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:01.441 And then I think what we're 00:09:01.461 --> 00:09:03.501 really excited about, you know, 00:09:03.562 --> 00:09:05.422 we're getting Roger Chow to come here. 00:09:05.442 --> 00:09:07.121 Roger was going to come last year. 00:09:07.282 --> 00:09:07.982 And fortunately, 00:09:08.383 --> 00:09:09.722 somebody as big as Roger Chow, 00:09:09.743 --> 00:09:10.363 there's something that 00:09:10.403 --> 00:09:11.602 comes up sometimes. 00:09:11.682 --> 00:09:12.583 And so we didn't get to have 00:09:12.604 --> 00:09:13.563 him here last year, 00:09:13.604 --> 00:09:15.144 but we get him this year. 00:09:15.244 --> 00:09:17.884 And if you know anything about, 00:09:17.945 --> 00:09:19.164 especially in the early two 00:09:19.205 --> 00:09:21.745 thousands about how, you know, 00:09:22.046 --> 00:09:22.846 some of our biggest 00:09:22.885 --> 00:09:24.725 supporters for physical 00:09:24.885 --> 00:09:25.785 therapy and conservative 00:09:25.865 --> 00:09:26.966 management for a lot of the 00:09:27.006 --> 00:09:28.326 things that we see, um, 00:09:28.606 --> 00:09:30.048 A lot of that goes back to 00:09:30.067 --> 00:09:31.928 the work that Roger Chow 00:09:31.969 --> 00:09:33.470 and his colleagues have done. 00:09:33.509 --> 00:09:35.811 And so he's a medical physician, 00:09:36.052 --> 00:09:38.432 but a big supporter of conservative care, 00:09:38.472 --> 00:09:39.653 not just physical therapy, 00:09:39.673 --> 00:09:40.474 but certainly physical 00:09:40.514 --> 00:09:41.534 therapy as part of that, 00:09:42.075 --> 00:09:43.155 especially when it comes to 00:09:43.916 --> 00:09:45.937 chronic and persistent low back pain. 00:09:46.518 --> 00:09:49.340 Roger Chow is fantastic and phenomenal. 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:50.580 I've actually had a chance 00:09:50.620 --> 00:09:51.841 to listen to him present. 00:09:52.441 --> 00:09:54.101 Oh, gosh, it was probably... 00:09:55.102 --> 00:09:56.403 It's over ten years ago now, 00:09:56.964 --> 00:09:57.985 probably twelve years ago. 00:09:58.065 --> 00:09:59.144 He presented at a conference 00:09:59.164 --> 00:10:03.167 that my former organization 00:10:03.226 --> 00:10:05.687 brought in and he is amazing. 00:10:06.048 --> 00:10:08.210 He is so fun to listen to, very engaging, 00:10:08.269 --> 00:10:09.129 very powerful. 00:10:09.470 --> 00:10:10.110 And then when you look at 00:10:10.150 --> 00:10:11.130 the amount of work and the 00:10:11.150 --> 00:10:12.912 amount of activity that he 00:10:12.951 --> 00:10:14.332 has done in the area of 00:10:14.373 --> 00:10:16.494 conservative management for low back pain, 00:10:17.394 --> 00:10:18.495 it's impressive and it's 00:10:18.534 --> 00:10:20.035 impressive that we're going to have him 00:10:20.515 --> 00:10:21.576 On our main stage is one of 00:10:21.596 --> 00:10:23.938 our distinguished lecturers. 00:10:24.479 --> 00:10:25.720 And then what's really fun, I think, 00:10:25.740 --> 00:10:27.280 about all of that is 00:10:27.461 --> 00:10:28.923 probably the best part is the panel stuff, 00:10:28.982 --> 00:10:29.243 right? 00:10:29.383 --> 00:10:30.144 Where we bring them all in 00:10:30.183 --> 00:10:31.063 together and we just have a 00:10:31.083 --> 00:10:32.745 lot of fun with folks. 00:10:32.765 --> 00:10:33.846 And I think the attendees 00:10:33.865 --> 00:10:34.687 really like that because 00:10:34.706 --> 00:10:36.128 then it makes people a 00:10:36.148 --> 00:10:38.690 little bit more... They can 00:10:38.730 --> 00:10:39.990 connect with them a little 00:10:40.010 --> 00:10:41.532 bit better than just seeing 00:10:41.552 --> 00:10:43.113 some of the things that they're doing. 00:10:43.133 --> 00:10:43.494 They seem... 00:10:43.994 --> 00:10:46.394 a lot more human, which they all are. 00:10:47.355 --> 00:10:48.174 And I think that's part of 00:10:48.195 --> 00:10:49.716 the fun is at the end of that, 00:10:49.755 --> 00:10:52.875 we get to hang out with those folks. 00:10:52.956 --> 00:10:53.897 That is awesome. 00:10:53.956 --> 00:10:54.116 Well, 00:10:54.136 --> 00:10:56.397 it sounds like a full lineup that our 00:10:56.797 --> 00:10:58.518 attendees will benefit from 00:10:58.577 --> 00:11:00.337 hearing top-notch people, 00:11:00.378 --> 00:11:01.979 both in orthopedic and 00:11:02.058 --> 00:11:03.778 orthopedic manual therapy, 00:11:03.798 --> 00:11:05.080 which I think is, you know, 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:06.139 that's such the nice 00:11:06.527 --> 00:11:08.427 platform that AOMT provides 00:11:08.548 --> 00:11:09.988 is really the best of both 00:11:10.489 --> 00:11:13.210 orthopedic and orthopedic manual therapy, 00:11:13.250 --> 00:11:15.311 because again, that's our investment. 00:11:15.331 --> 00:11:17.051 It's investment that the 00:11:17.130 --> 00:11:18.371 organization puts into 00:11:18.412 --> 00:11:19.371 conference to make sure 00:11:19.392 --> 00:11:20.572 that we really do have a 00:11:20.633 --> 00:11:22.734 great lineup of speakers to 00:11:22.754 --> 00:11:24.153 hopefully keep our audience 00:11:24.193 --> 00:11:25.654 going for a full year until 00:11:25.695 --> 00:11:26.955 the next year when we get 00:11:26.995 --> 00:11:28.096 to do it all over again. 00:11:28.796 --> 00:11:29.897 You know what? 00:11:29.976 --> 00:11:30.476 I think that you hit a 00:11:30.496 --> 00:11:31.876 little bit of the nail on the head. 00:11:31.897 --> 00:11:32.977 I struggle to think about 00:11:33.917 --> 00:11:35.278 and maybe this is a little 00:11:35.317 --> 00:11:37.318 bit controversial in some respects, 00:11:37.739 --> 00:11:38.940 but I struggled to think 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:40.520 about like a conference out 00:11:40.541 --> 00:11:43.121 there that actually when 00:11:43.182 --> 00:11:44.582 obviously we say manual therapy. 00:11:44.602 --> 00:11:45.663 And so we think about, you know, 00:11:45.803 --> 00:11:46.844 the hands on, you know, 00:11:46.864 --> 00:11:48.105 in this podcast is hands on 00:11:48.384 --> 00:11:49.346 and hands off too. 00:11:49.365 --> 00:11:50.086 And a lot of the things that 00:11:50.125 --> 00:11:50.966 we do is hands off. 00:11:51.366 --> 00:11:52.527 But if you're an orthopedic 00:11:52.567 --> 00:11:54.307 physical therapist, even if you're not, 00:11:54.648 --> 00:11:54.889 you know, 00:11:55.229 --> 00:11:56.789 certified or have gone through 00:11:56.850 --> 00:11:57.809 extensive training in 00:11:57.850 --> 00:11:59.510 manual therapy or gun 00:11:59.571 --> 00:12:00.831 fellowship and those kinds of things, 00:12:01.272 --> 00:12:02.371 Maybe that's intimidating to 00:12:02.392 --> 00:12:04.913 come to a conference like AOMT, 00:12:05.493 --> 00:12:06.874 but honestly, 00:12:06.913 --> 00:12:08.533 there is not a lot of 00:12:08.594 --> 00:12:09.553 conferences out there that 00:12:09.594 --> 00:12:10.514 I don't think they could 00:12:10.595 --> 00:12:11.575 actually compete with in 00:12:11.634 --> 00:12:13.895 regards to just very specific, 00:12:13.995 --> 00:12:16.596 specialized orthopedic management, 00:12:16.716 --> 00:12:18.017 whether that's manual 00:12:18.037 --> 00:12:19.697 therapy or not manual therapy. 00:12:19.716 --> 00:12:20.917 If you look at our breakout 00:12:20.976 --> 00:12:22.538 sessions across the board, 00:12:23.018 --> 00:12:24.259 There are many opportunities 00:12:24.298 --> 00:12:25.078 that if you don't have 00:12:25.119 --> 00:12:26.179 manual therapy experience, 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:27.360 or maybe that isn't what 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.660 you are most passionate about, 00:12:29.980 --> 00:12:32.261 you will find activity in 00:12:32.302 --> 00:12:35.783 there that is highly orthopedic related. 00:12:36.124 --> 00:12:37.365 And our keynotes, you know, 00:12:37.384 --> 00:12:39.025 obviously are going to, you know, 00:12:39.186 --> 00:12:40.605 bring in components of how 00:12:40.666 --> 00:12:41.746 manual therapy works. 00:12:41.787 --> 00:12:43.147 But I think one of the 00:12:43.168 --> 00:12:45.008 misnomers sometimes is that, oh gosh, 00:12:45.028 --> 00:12:45.948 it's manual therapy, 00:12:46.528 --> 00:12:47.629 but really it's orthopedic 00:12:47.649 --> 00:12:48.090 manual therapy. 00:12:48.669 --> 00:12:49.791 orthopedic management, 00:12:50.250 --> 00:12:51.111 and obviously manual 00:12:51.131 --> 00:12:52.552 therapy being a component of that. 00:12:52.972 --> 00:12:53.913 But honestly, 00:12:54.274 --> 00:12:55.354 I'd struggle to find another 00:12:55.394 --> 00:12:56.615 conference that could even 00:12:56.674 --> 00:12:57.755 come anywhere close to 00:12:57.775 --> 00:12:59.557 competing with the amount 00:12:59.596 --> 00:13:01.238 of orthopedic content that 00:13:01.357 --> 00:13:03.700 we can provide and develop 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:05.880 clinicians with. 00:13:05.941 --> 00:13:07.903 Well, and I was looking at the lineup, 00:13:07.982 --> 00:13:08.263 Derek, 00:13:08.643 --> 00:13:10.464 who we have in the lineup in terms 00:13:10.504 --> 00:13:11.465 of even those breakout 00:13:11.504 --> 00:13:12.905 sessions like you were talking about. 00:13:13.359 --> 00:13:15.379 what a rich group that are 00:13:15.419 --> 00:13:16.360 doing these breakout 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:17.360 sessions that you're not 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:18.400 only going to learn a ton 00:13:18.441 --> 00:13:19.421 from the keynotes, 00:13:19.801 --> 00:13:20.822 but even looking at some of 00:13:20.841 --> 00:13:22.101 the key topic areas that 00:13:22.142 --> 00:13:23.682 you have lined up and what 00:13:23.702 --> 00:13:24.763 a great job the conference 00:13:24.783 --> 00:13:26.003 committee and yourself has 00:13:26.062 --> 00:13:27.543 done with this lineup this year. 00:13:27.563 --> 00:13:28.323 But, you know, 00:13:28.443 --> 00:13:29.965 a huge variety of both 00:13:30.085 --> 00:13:31.424 in-person lecture as well 00:13:31.465 --> 00:13:33.385 as hands-on sessions that I 00:13:33.426 --> 00:13:34.826 think our attendees will 00:13:34.886 --> 00:13:35.927 really benefit from. 00:13:36.501 --> 00:13:37.123 You know, 00:13:37.143 --> 00:13:38.543 and I'd love to hear a little bit 00:13:38.563 --> 00:13:40.205 about the master clinician 00:13:40.265 --> 00:13:41.366 session that you might have 00:13:41.427 --> 00:13:42.287 lined up this year, 00:13:42.687 --> 00:13:43.948 because every year it's a 00:13:44.109 --> 00:13:45.910 highly attended event and 00:13:46.110 --> 00:13:47.131 people tend to love it. 00:13:47.172 --> 00:13:48.974 So tell us what's your plan this year? 00:13:49.053 --> 00:13:50.355 Who do you, who did you ask? 00:13:51.076 --> 00:13:51.437 Yes. 00:13:51.476 --> 00:13:53.899 So we actually have Earl Petman coming in. 00:13:54.938 --> 00:13:56.720 And Earl, actually, 00:13:56.779 --> 00:13:57.581 I've got a little bit of a 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.282 personal anecdote with Earl. 00:14:00.022 --> 00:14:02.062 When I graduated from PT 00:14:02.102 --> 00:14:03.423 school and started as a 00:14:03.524 --> 00:14:06.164 clinician some twenty plus years ago, 00:14:07.225 --> 00:14:10.388 I went to my very first con ed course. 00:14:10.788 --> 00:14:11.687 So I started work on a 00:14:11.727 --> 00:14:14.250 Monday and then they said, oh, by the way, 00:14:14.389 --> 00:14:15.509 there's a con ed course 00:14:15.529 --> 00:14:16.671 that you can attend this 00:14:16.711 --> 00:14:18.172 weekend with the organization I was in. 00:14:18.897 --> 00:14:20.438 And it's a manual therapy course. 00:14:20.479 --> 00:14:21.320 And it would be good for you 00:14:21.340 --> 00:14:23.062 to do because you're just starting out, 00:14:23.121 --> 00:14:23.881 yada, yada, yada. 00:14:23.902 --> 00:14:25.504 I'm like, oh, please, I'm hungry, 00:14:25.543 --> 00:14:26.785 feed me type thing. 00:14:26.885 --> 00:14:30.328 And so I went to this Con Ed 00:14:30.369 --> 00:14:32.270 course and it was Earl 00:14:32.312 --> 00:14:33.932 Petman as the instructor. 00:14:34.453 --> 00:14:35.695 And so my very first... 00:14:36.995 --> 00:14:37.736 introduction into 00:14:37.777 --> 00:14:39.097 post-professional education 00:14:39.158 --> 00:14:40.038 was Earl Petman. 00:14:40.058 --> 00:14:41.500 So to have him coming in 00:14:42.301 --> 00:14:43.961 full circle is kind of a big deal. 00:14:43.981 --> 00:14:44.121 Now, 00:14:44.142 --> 00:14:45.143 I don't know if Earl actually 00:14:45.163 --> 00:14:46.144 remembers me or not. 00:14:46.163 --> 00:14:47.085 I'm sure that he doesn't. 00:14:48.326 --> 00:14:48.706 And actually, 00:14:48.725 --> 00:14:49.687 I took a few other courses 00:14:49.726 --> 00:14:51.548 from him and really kind of 00:14:51.587 --> 00:14:53.610 helped to spur my interest 00:14:53.769 --> 00:14:55.051 in manual therapy. 00:14:55.230 --> 00:14:56.371 I think I really became 00:14:56.432 --> 00:14:57.312 passionate and I really 00:14:57.352 --> 00:14:59.214 wanted to become focused within that. 00:14:59.835 --> 00:15:00.975 And I think that he got me 00:15:01.035 --> 00:15:01.917 excited about that, 00:15:01.937 --> 00:15:03.177 just understanding the 00:15:03.697 --> 00:15:05.681 you know his approaches and 00:15:05.721 --> 00:15:07.383 his passions and excitement 00:15:07.764 --> 00:15:09.566 about manual therapy was 00:15:09.785 --> 00:15:10.606 infectious and it was 00:15:10.626 --> 00:15:12.089 infectious for all of us 00:15:12.109 --> 00:15:13.471 that were involved and and 00:15:13.510 --> 00:15:14.832 I mean honestly when I look 00:15:14.852 --> 00:15:15.953 back at my journey I think 00:15:15.974 --> 00:15:17.535 that that was really part 00:15:17.556 --> 00:15:19.339 of the biggest stimulation to that 00:15:20.173 --> 00:15:24.956 So Earl has been around for a while. 00:15:24.976 --> 00:15:26.018 So when we talk about master 00:15:26.038 --> 00:15:27.558 clinicians and really talk 00:15:27.578 --> 00:15:28.720 about clinicians, I mean, 00:15:28.740 --> 00:15:29.500 he's truly that. 00:15:30.260 --> 00:15:32.082 He's engaged in clinical 00:15:32.143 --> 00:15:34.724 practice for so many years. 00:15:34.744 --> 00:15:35.985 I don't know how many years it is, 00:15:36.024 --> 00:15:38.586 but it's more than most 00:15:38.626 --> 00:15:42.330 people are alive and practicing. 00:15:42.389 --> 00:15:45.211 And so he brings a wealth of 00:15:45.412 --> 00:15:46.533 information and knowledge. 00:15:47.354 --> 00:15:48.115 activity to it. 00:15:48.174 --> 00:15:49.294 And so with those master 00:15:49.315 --> 00:15:50.235 clinician sessions, 00:15:50.296 --> 00:15:52.356 those are hands-on sessions, right? 00:15:52.376 --> 00:15:53.398 So those are where people 00:15:53.418 --> 00:15:54.379 are getting an opportunity 00:15:54.418 --> 00:15:57.179 and a chance to get their hands dirty, 00:15:57.220 --> 00:15:58.520 if you will. 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:00.883 I believe, and don't hold me to this, 00:16:00.903 --> 00:16:01.623 but I'm pretty sure that 00:16:01.663 --> 00:16:02.484 he's going to be presenting 00:16:02.663 --> 00:16:06.605 on cervical thoracic type disorders. 00:16:06.947 --> 00:16:07.547 And so, 00:16:08.307 --> 00:16:09.868 which I think is always nice to see, 00:16:10.109 --> 00:16:11.428 we spend a lot of time on 00:16:11.870 --> 00:16:13.211 the lumbar spine and low back. 00:16:13.350 --> 00:16:13.890 I love seeing, 00:16:13.910 --> 00:16:15.032 and I'm a little bit more in 00:16:15.572 --> 00:16:16.673 connected with the neck and 00:16:16.753 --> 00:16:17.714 so I love seeing that we're 00:16:17.734 --> 00:16:19.475 getting a bit of neck 00:16:19.554 --> 00:16:20.897 attention in this 00:16:20.937 --> 00:16:22.298 conference but so I think 00:16:22.317 --> 00:16:23.339 that he'll be presenting on 00:16:23.379 --> 00:16:24.460 some hands-on techniques 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:25.640 with that yeah he asked us 00:16:25.961 --> 00:16:26.701 he asked us like what do 00:16:26.721 --> 00:16:27.741 you want me to do and we 00:16:27.761 --> 00:16:28.903 said well we do whatever 00:16:28.923 --> 00:16:29.683 you want to do but make it 00:16:29.923 --> 00:16:32.446 hands-on and and make it um 00:16:32.485 --> 00:16:34.107 something that is uh 00:16:34.427 --> 00:16:35.628 that he's excited about. 00:16:35.649 --> 00:16:37.188 So I think that a lot of 00:16:37.229 --> 00:16:38.610 folks will get a chance to 00:16:38.750 --> 00:16:41.091 work and see things maybe a 00:16:41.110 --> 00:16:41.910 little bit differently, 00:16:41.951 --> 00:16:42.390 maybe different 00:16:42.410 --> 00:16:44.312 perspectives and approaches 00:16:44.351 --> 00:16:47.452 to hands-on management of neck pain. 00:16:47.812 --> 00:16:49.374 Well, and I was looking at your lineup, 00:16:49.494 --> 00:16:51.414 even with that as an 00:16:51.475 --> 00:16:53.836 incredible master clinician opportunity, 00:16:54.280 --> 00:16:56.482 You have Adrian Lau, Louis Pentagura, 00:16:56.543 --> 00:16:59.186 you have Mark Shepard, 00:16:59.306 --> 00:17:00.427 you have Amy McDevitt, 00:17:00.447 --> 00:17:01.567 you have Paul Minkin. 00:17:01.948 --> 00:17:04.090 I mean, you guys have a host of people, 00:17:04.131 --> 00:17:06.653 Carol Courtney, Catherine Palta. 00:17:06.673 --> 00:17:08.494 I mean, you have just a list. 00:17:08.911 --> 00:17:10.471 of really incredible people 00:17:10.511 --> 00:17:12.413 throughout this breakout stuff. 00:17:12.613 --> 00:17:14.594 So again, I guess just to say, 00:17:14.973 --> 00:17:15.694 I don't think there's 00:17:15.734 --> 00:17:17.315 anything you wouldn't walk away from. 00:17:17.855 --> 00:17:19.576 Chad Cook's listed in this group. 00:17:19.896 --> 00:17:21.136 It's an incredible lineup. 00:17:21.156 --> 00:17:22.438 So well done for that. 00:17:22.557 --> 00:17:22.978 Well done. 00:17:23.659 --> 00:17:24.578 I want to transition and 00:17:24.598 --> 00:17:25.400 talk a little bit about 00:17:25.500 --> 00:17:27.141 networking because I don't 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:28.661 think there's any question 00:17:29.041 --> 00:17:29.862 that they couldn't come to 00:17:29.902 --> 00:17:31.083 conference and learn a ton. 00:17:31.403 --> 00:17:33.384 But I do think some newbies 00:17:33.423 --> 00:17:34.023 might be coming to 00:17:34.084 --> 00:17:34.924 conference for the first 00:17:34.944 --> 00:17:35.865 time and would love to know 00:17:35.884 --> 00:17:37.405 a little bit about maybe some of those 00:17:37.906 --> 00:17:47.394 networking opportunities. 00:17:47.413 --> 00:17:47.815 All right. 00:17:47.875 --> 00:17:48.654 So, Derek, 00:17:48.755 --> 00:17:49.715 I want to hear more about the 00:17:49.776 --> 00:17:51.617 networking opportunities at our AOMTs, 00:17:51.698 --> 00:17:52.939 especially for our new listeners, 00:17:53.298 --> 00:17:54.220 letting them know about 00:17:54.259 --> 00:17:55.240 what kind of activities 00:17:55.280 --> 00:17:56.221 that we have planned for 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:57.923 them to meet others and 00:17:58.002 --> 00:18:00.044 socialize and just, again, 00:18:00.064 --> 00:18:01.325 I always say sometimes it's 00:18:01.384 --> 00:18:02.645 between the sessions or 00:18:02.766 --> 00:18:03.807 after the sessions that 00:18:03.846 --> 00:18:04.607 some of the great learning 00:18:04.728 --> 00:18:05.929 actually also occurs. 00:18:06.471 --> 00:18:07.412 No, one hundred percent. 00:18:07.451 --> 00:18:07.912 Absolutely. 00:18:08.071 --> 00:18:08.932 I want to go back, though, 00:18:09.152 --> 00:18:10.712 and I'm going to answer that question, 00:18:10.732 --> 00:18:11.794 but I want to also go back. 00:18:11.814 --> 00:18:12.153 And, you know, 00:18:12.173 --> 00:18:13.094 you mentioned all these big 00:18:13.134 --> 00:18:14.335 names that are going to be presenting. 00:18:14.894 --> 00:18:16.215 I think what's also exciting 00:18:16.316 --> 00:18:17.616 and speaking of like you 00:18:17.656 --> 00:18:18.797 just because you mentioned 00:18:18.817 --> 00:18:20.817 the new folks coming in, 00:18:21.337 --> 00:18:23.619 what I'm also excited about is the. 00:18:24.779 --> 00:18:26.901 new presenters coming in and 00:18:27.121 --> 00:18:29.101 presenting education sessions. 00:18:29.181 --> 00:18:31.602 Nothing excites me more than to see, 00:18:31.721 --> 00:18:32.061 you know, 00:18:32.082 --> 00:18:33.321 some new energy and some new 00:18:33.362 --> 00:18:35.241 blood coming into the, 00:18:35.662 --> 00:18:36.123 especially like the 00:18:36.143 --> 00:18:37.383 breakout sessions or what 00:18:37.403 --> 00:18:38.363 other types of sessions. 00:18:38.803 --> 00:18:39.383 And honestly, 00:18:39.442 --> 00:18:41.124 like as the conference committee, 00:18:41.183 --> 00:18:42.243 we're reviewing these 00:18:42.284 --> 00:18:43.463 proposals and they are, 00:18:43.844 --> 00:18:45.265 they are some really strong, 00:18:45.744 --> 00:18:46.644 really good proposals. 00:18:46.664 --> 00:18:47.305 So I think, you know, 00:18:47.325 --> 00:18:48.305 we have a really nice 00:18:48.765 --> 00:18:51.726 diversity of experienced speakers, 00:18:51.885 --> 00:18:53.786 presenters seasoned 00:18:53.846 --> 00:18:55.626 presenters who really know 00:18:55.666 --> 00:18:57.166 kind of what to do and 00:18:57.227 --> 00:18:59.407 present then we also have 00:18:59.468 --> 00:19:01.448 this other part that is 00:19:01.607 --> 00:19:03.828 this new crop new blood 00:19:03.868 --> 00:19:05.229 that is also I think going 00:19:05.269 --> 00:19:07.789 to do a really awesome job 00:19:07.930 --> 00:19:09.269 of presenting you know 00:19:09.329 --> 00:19:10.390 information that maybe is a 00:19:10.410 --> 00:19:11.310 little bit different maybe 00:19:11.330 --> 00:19:12.270 a little bit new and so if 00:19:12.290 --> 00:19:13.211 you've been to conferences 00:19:13.250 --> 00:19:14.631 before and you see some of 00:19:14.651 --> 00:19:15.912 those names just you know 00:19:15.932 --> 00:19:17.311 know that there's also some 00:19:17.531 --> 00:19:18.912 some new ingredients in 00:19:18.951 --> 00:19:19.752 this conference that I 00:19:19.792 --> 00:19:21.252 think are going to make um 00:19:21.673 --> 00:19:23.074 the cake rise a little differently. 00:19:24.054 --> 00:19:25.654 So I love that you said that 00:19:25.775 --> 00:19:27.015 because I see some of these 00:19:27.035 --> 00:19:27.796 names and I'm like, 00:19:27.895 --> 00:19:29.056 I looked at their bios 00:19:29.497 --> 00:19:30.896 because you can look on the website. 00:19:31.277 --> 00:19:33.637 Definitely some up and coming and very, 00:19:33.738 --> 00:19:35.259 very strong clinician type. 00:19:35.278 --> 00:19:37.099 So we're super excited to meet them, too. 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:37.779 That's going to be great. 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:38.259 Great point. 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:38.840 Thank you. 00:19:39.141 --> 00:19:40.721 So to answer your question, though, 00:19:40.740 --> 00:19:41.682 with regards to the 00:19:41.761 --> 00:19:43.303 networking opportunities, you're right. 00:19:43.343 --> 00:19:45.844 I mean, between the sessions when, 00:19:45.864 --> 00:19:46.203 you know, 00:19:46.263 --> 00:19:47.624 the session ends and the 00:19:47.683 --> 00:19:48.464 hallways are busy, 00:19:48.924 --> 00:19:52.067 you know, so much professional development, 00:19:52.106 --> 00:19:53.107 I think occurs there that 00:19:53.147 --> 00:19:54.189 we don't even really give it, 00:19:54.209 --> 00:19:55.609 we don't even know how to measure, right? 00:19:55.630 --> 00:19:56.329 We don't even know how to 00:19:56.490 --> 00:19:58.152 unpack all of that, you know, where, 00:19:58.471 --> 00:20:00.333 you know, people get to meet people and, 00:20:00.452 --> 00:20:00.614 you know, 00:20:00.634 --> 00:20:01.974 maybe their careers go into 00:20:02.015 --> 00:20:03.154 different trajectories and 00:20:03.194 --> 00:20:03.875 such because of, 00:20:04.296 --> 00:20:05.136 the people that they are 00:20:05.176 --> 00:20:06.778 engaging with or they 00:20:06.798 --> 00:20:07.679 become interested in 00:20:07.719 --> 00:20:08.480 something that maybe they 00:20:08.500 --> 00:20:09.740 weren't interested in 00:20:09.780 --> 00:20:10.622 before because they didn't 00:20:10.662 --> 00:20:12.063 even know much about that 00:20:12.083 --> 00:20:12.884 and maybe they find a 00:20:12.943 --> 00:20:14.885 passion in the hallway you 00:20:14.905 --> 00:20:16.247 know so I think those those 00:20:16.267 --> 00:20:17.146 kinds of things are really 00:20:17.407 --> 00:20:19.549 um fascinating to me I like 00:20:19.609 --> 00:20:21.451 walking around conference 00:20:21.490 --> 00:20:22.992 and just you know peering 00:20:23.113 --> 00:20:24.653 in and just seeing people 00:20:24.834 --> 00:20:26.154 having just those nice big 00:20:26.214 --> 00:20:27.336 dialogues and discussions 00:20:27.355 --> 00:20:28.657 and seeing you know somebody that 00:20:29.518 --> 00:20:32.541 um I know in one space of my 00:20:32.582 --> 00:20:33.863 life and and I know from 00:20:33.923 --> 00:20:34.763 another space of my life 00:20:34.804 --> 00:20:35.625 that somehow or another 00:20:35.644 --> 00:20:37.646 they they connect I think 00:20:37.686 --> 00:20:39.269 that happens so often and 00:20:39.288 --> 00:20:40.289 we all have examples of 00:20:40.329 --> 00:20:41.590 that so I think that like 00:20:41.631 --> 00:20:42.692 you said those things that 00:20:42.751 --> 00:20:44.012 happen between sessions are 00:20:44.032 --> 00:20:44.874 really good but then we 00:20:44.933 --> 00:20:46.076 also have you know really 00:20:47.797 --> 00:20:49.858 intentional networking 00:20:49.898 --> 00:20:51.058 opportunities where people 00:20:51.099 --> 00:20:53.260 can come in and, you know, 00:20:53.882 --> 00:20:55.782 meet and hang out and 00:20:55.982 --> 00:20:57.483 discuss things and so on. 00:20:57.523 --> 00:20:59.766 And that can be everything from, you know, 00:21:00.026 --> 00:21:04.288 the sort of, well, our, you know, 00:21:04.309 --> 00:21:05.830 final day and the big party 00:21:05.871 --> 00:21:06.810 and all of that kind of thing. 00:21:07.531 --> 00:21:08.772 But also we have 00:21:09.252 --> 00:21:09.554 You know, 00:21:09.733 --> 00:21:11.515 chances where if you want to get 00:21:11.615 --> 00:21:13.356 out and go into Orlando a 00:21:13.376 --> 00:21:14.438 little bit more in the evening, 00:21:14.478 --> 00:21:15.819 we are going to have a sort 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.221 of like a pub crawl sort of 00:21:17.441 --> 00:21:19.462 an event where people go out and, 00:21:19.903 --> 00:21:20.924 you know, 00:21:20.964 --> 00:21:23.267 sort of take off the ties and 00:21:23.326 --> 00:21:25.108 have a little bit of fun and enjoy. 00:21:26.048 --> 00:21:27.170 each other because we're all 00:21:27.631 --> 00:21:29.571 alike a lot ways and so we 00:21:29.633 --> 00:21:31.294 all enjoy getting to hang 00:21:31.354 --> 00:21:33.455 out with our our colleagues 00:21:33.496 --> 00:21:34.517 and our people who have 00:21:34.557 --> 00:21:36.298 similar passions and you 00:21:36.317 --> 00:21:37.358 know that and then we also 00:21:37.398 --> 00:21:39.621 have a lot of opportunities 00:21:39.740 --> 00:21:42.963 even within the the the 00:21:43.124 --> 00:21:46.326 expo and the exhibit hall a lot of our 00:21:47.133 --> 00:21:49.575 great times occur in there 00:21:49.654 --> 00:21:52.737 when we network in that way. 00:21:52.777 --> 00:21:53.738 And then in that exhibit 00:21:53.778 --> 00:21:55.558 hall is typically also where we have like, 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:57.320 or in that space, 00:21:57.340 --> 00:21:58.121 a lot of times we'll also 00:21:58.161 --> 00:22:00.863 have our first timers 00:22:00.903 --> 00:22:02.605 breakfast and some other 00:22:02.644 --> 00:22:03.585 types of activities. 00:22:03.925 --> 00:22:05.426 So just so much to do, 00:22:05.467 --> 00:22:06.567 whether you're a season, 00:22:06.607 --> 00:22:08.388 you've been coming to AOMT, you know, 00:22:08.449 --> 00:22:09.589 for a number of times or you're 00:22:09.980 --> 00:22:11.800 coming for your first time and you're like, 00:22:12.080 --> 00:22:12.701 oh gosh, 00:22:13.260 --> 00:22:14.461 I don't know what to do with this 00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:15.121 conference. 00:22:15.381 --> 00:22:17.041 I think that we've done such a great job. 00:22:17.102 --> 00:22:20.222 And to bring that back, Megan, 00:22:20.242 --> 00:22:20.923 you've done such a great 00:22:20.962 --> 00:22:22.002 job at this when you were 00:22:22.083 --> 00:22:22.782 conference chair. 00:22:22.843 --> 00:22:24.403 And then before you, 00:22:25.183 --> 00:22:27.065 the conference chair also did a great job, 00:22:27.105 --> 00:22:28.704 but it was probably, 00:22:29.125 --> 00:22:31.026 I remember going to my 00:22:31.086 --> 00:22:33.185 first AOMT and it was a 00:22:33.246 --> 00:22:34.186 good conference and there 00:22:34.207 --> 00:22:35.446 was a lot of great material. 00:22:36.126 --> 00:22:37.028 I don't know if we had the 00:22:37.087 --> 00:22:38.609 same kind of like intention 00:22:38.650 --> 00:22:40.071 about bringing people together, 00:22:40.092 --> 00:22:40.692 especially some of the 00:22:40.751 --> 00:22:42.654 newer clinicians or people 00:22:42.674 --> 00:22:44.016 that didn't know each other very well. 00:22:44.436 --> 00:22:46.298 And so I went into that conference going, 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:48.500 I went to the education sessions, 00:22:48.520 --> 00:22:51.183 but I didn't know that, oh, the lectures, 00:22:51.203 --> 00:22:53.205 you know, or the luncheon, 00:22:53.366 --> 00:22:54.347 the awards luncheon, right? 00:22:54.607 --> 00:22:55.848 I didn't know that was for everyone, 00:22:56.068 --> 00:22:56.249 right? 00:22:56.288 --> 00:22:57.509 And I was like, oh, wait, 00:22:57.890 --> 00:22:58.651 I need to be there. 00:22:58.711 --> 00:23:00.332 I got to attend this thing now. 00:23:00.412 --> 00:23:03.413 And so there's just so many 00:23:03.913 --> 00:23:05.154 things for folks to do. 00:23:05.194 --> 00:23:06.615 Even if you're just coming by yourself, 00:23:06.915 --> 00:23:07.636 you don't know a single 00:23:07.696 --> 00:23:08.738 person at this conference, 00:23:09.018 --> 00:23:10.679 you'll find a lane and 00:23:10.699 --> 00:23:11.940 you're going to have a lot of fun at it. 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:13.760 There's also a five K event too. 00:23:13.780 --> 00:23:14.582 If anybody wants to get up 00:23:14.602 --> 00:23:15.521 super early in the morning 00:23:15.882 --> 00:23:16.762 and run a five K there, 00:23:17.063 --> 00:23:18.984 I think that's Saturday morning. 00:23:19.505 --> 00:23:20.806 You're not leading it though, Derek, 00:23:20.846 --> 00:23:21.125 right? 00:23:22.008 --> 00:23:23.088 I think I'm running in it, 00:23:23.148 --> 00:23:24.210 but I don't know if I'm going to leave. 00:23:24.230 --> 00:23:24.349 Okay. 00:23:24.390 --> 00:23:26.432 For all of our listeners, please note, 00:23:26.751 --> 00:23:28.073 if you beat Derek, 00:23:28.373 --> 00:23:29.913 I will find a ticket for 00:23:29.973 --> 00:23:31.095 you for the business 00:23:31.154 --> 00:23:33.037 meeting that will provide you a beverage. 00:23:33.769 --> 00:23:34.851 And so, yeah, 00:23:35.092 --> 00:23:37.073 I think we can inspire some speakers to, 00:23:37.192 --> 00:23:38.815 or some listeners to have 00:23:38.835 --> 00:23:40.135 the opportunity to give you 00:23:40.195 --> 00:23:41.798 some run for your money on that, 00:23:42.178 --> 00:23:43.298 that six K event. 00:23:43.338 --> 00:23:44.299 So that puts a lot of 00:23:44.339 --> 00:23:45.201 pressure on me to make sure 00:23:45.221 --> 00:23:47.442 that we're not overfunding the, 00:23:47.462 --> 00:23:48.002 those tickets. 00:23:48.042 --> 00:23:52.968 If you're actually running faster, Derek. 00:23:53.468 --> 00:23:54.108 That's all right. 00:23:54.429 --> 00:23:56.470 So just in all sincerity, 00:23:57.029 --> 00:23:57.931 that is a great event. 00:23:58.030 --> 00:23:58.931 I know some people like to 00:23:58.951 --> 00:24:00.172 have a little fitness in the morning. 00:24:00.231 --> 00:24:01.532 And so that's a great way to do it. 00:24:01.573 --> 00:24:04.513 So a five K race with Derek. 00:24:04.733 --> 00:24:05.734 That's what I just heard you 00:24:05.755 --> 00:24:06.836 say that that was going to be. 00:24:07.855 --> 00:24:08.576 And, you know, 00:24:08.936 --> 00:24:09.957 you spoke a little bit about 00:24:10.017 --> 00:24:10.958 the networking events. 00:24:11.471 --> 00:24:13.373 So there's an event on Friday night, 00:24:13.432 --> 00:24:14.815 and then there's event Saturday night, 00:24:14.855 --> 00:24:15.736 and then there's a lunch. 00:24:16.076 --> 00:24:17.557 So all of these things are covered. 00:24:17.577 --> 00:24:18.959 They don't have to pay for anything. 00:24:19.219 --> 00:24:20.039 Is that kind of what you're 00:24:20.059 --> 00:24:20.961 telling us with some of 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:21.541 these really cool 00:24:21.602 --> 00:24:23.083 networking opportunities? 00:24:23.123 --> 00:24:23.903 I'm really telling you that. 00:24:23.923 --> 00:24:24.325 Isn't that crazy? 00:24:24.345 --> 00:24:24.964 That's pretty great. 00:24:24.984 --> 00:24:27.807 I think one of, you know, I love CSM. 00:24:27.827 --> 00:24:29.289 I mean, I think, you know, 00:24:29.309 --> 00:24:30.330 I love CSM for a very 00:24:30.371 --> 00:24:31.792 different reason than I like AOMT. 00:24:32.532 --> 00:24:33.894 And I know that many of us 00:24:33.953 --> 00:24:35.575 who have gone to both conferences, 00:24:35.974 --> 00:24:37.615 we describe those in very different ways. 00:24:37.655 --> 00:24:39.257 CSN is very big. 00:24:39.297 --> 00:24:41.679 It's energizing because of the size of it. 00:24:41.699 --> 00:24:43.400 It's also very intimidating. 00:24:43.420 --> 00:24:44.500 And I also know one of the 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:46.080 things that always frustrates me is like, 00:24:46.421 --> 00:24:47.402 I don't know where to go 00:24:47.442 --> 00:24:48.883 because there's just so much, 00:24:49.202 --> 00:24:51.084 but then I also don't know, like, God, 00:24:51.183 --> 00:24:52.964 I gotta go find some food somewhere. 00:24:52.984 --> 00:24:53.305 Right. 00:24:53.325 --> 00:24:54.986 And then like that becomes frustrating. 00:24:55.006 --> 00:24:57.028 And what's nice about AOMP is that 00:24:57.708 --> 00:24:59.328 It's you walk in the doors 00:24:59.588 --> 00:25:01.230 and it's like white glove service. 00:25:01.290 --> 00:25:02.692 Everything is taken care of 00:25:02.912 --> 00:25:04.673 for you for the weekend. 00:25:04.792 --> 00:25:05.492 Like you don't have to worry 00:25:05.513 --> 00:25:06.354 about your meals. 00:25:06.374 --> 00:25:06.954 You don't have to worry 00:25:06.974 --> 00:25:08.255 about food so much. 00:25:08.596 --> 00:25:09.175 You don't have to worry 00:25:09.195 --> 00:25:09.936 about like what you're 00:25:09.957 --> 00:25:10.836 going to be doing or 00:25:10.916 --> 00:25:12.077 activities or which events 00:25:12.117 --> 00:25:13.118 you should be at because you don't. 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:15.099 you go to one event because 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:16.141 that's where everybody goes 00:25:16.181 --> 00:25:17.800 to is to that event and 00:25:17.820 --> 00:25:19.261 then that allows for you to 00:25:19.301 --> 00:25:20.163 kind of see people 00:25:20.202 --> 00:25:21.423 throughout the entire time 00:25:21.462 --> 00:25:23.305 and that I think really um 00:25:23.424 --> 00:25:24.825 enables people to build 00:25:24.845 --> 00:25:25.885 those connections very 00:25:25.965 --> 00:25:27.527 differently than you do at 00:25:27.567 --> 00:25:29.008 a larger sort of scaled 00:25:29.067 --> 00:25:31.848 conference well I I think 00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:33.650 you're spot on I think this 00:25:33.730 --> 00:25:35.391 is just such a unique it's 00:25:35.431 --> 00:25:36.652 such a unique conference 00:25:36.771 --> 00:25:38.313 and and I think people may not know 00:25:39.371 --> 00:25:40.311 But they don't know, right? 00:25:40.332 --> 00:25:41.571 They don't know that this is 00:25:41.632 --> 00:25:43.593 all inclusive in terms of the food pieces, 00:25:43.653 --> 00:25:45.393 especially from continental 00:25:45.432 --> 00:25:46.294 breakfast in the morning 00:25:46.334 --> 00:25:47.374 that they had in several of 00:25:47.394 --> 00:25:48.595 these areas with exhibitors, 00:25:48.654 --> 00:25:49.434 and then by lunch, 00:25:49.795 --> 00:25:51.516 either a box lunch or the full luncheon. 00:25:51.615 --> 00:25:51.836 I mean, 00:25:51.875 --> 00:25:54.936 just so many wonderful pieces that 00:25:54.997 --> 00:25:57.137 had been really thoughtfully included. 00:25:57.616 --> 00:25:57.957 And Derek, 00:25:57.977 --> 00:25:59.419 you did a great job with the lineup. 00:25:59.558 --> 00:26:00.140 And, you know, 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:01.201 I have to always give shout 00:26:01.260 --> 00:26:02.821 out to the staff at AONT 00:26:02.842 --> 00:26:04.304 because really without them, 00:26:04.743 --> 00:26:06.046 this doesn't go, right? 00:26:06.165 --> 00:26:06.365 So, 00:26:06.987 --> 00:26:08.488 and they are definitely been so good 00:26:08.508 --> 00:26:10.931 about receiving questions 00:26:10.971 --> 00:26:12.412 from people and attendees. 00:26:12.451 --> 00:26:14.294 And so I know that they have been 00:26:14.710 --> 00:26:16.051 hopefully very helpful to you. 00:26:16.071 --> 00:26:17.472 And I believe that members 00:26:17.553 --> 00:26:19.035 love being able to reach out to them. 00:26:19.115 --> 00:26:20.896 So as people have questions, 00:26:21.217 --> 00:26:22.077 would you guide them to 00:26:22.117 --> 00:26:24.121 maybe call the office or 00:26:24.141 --> 00:26:25.102 reach out to the office? 00:26:25.142 --> 00:26:25.982 Or what would be the best 00:26:26.002 --> 00:26:27.003 way if they have questions 00:26:27.044 --> 00:26:28.285 about maybe any of the 00:26:28.325 --> 00:26:29.646 virtual options or any of 00:26:29.666 --> 00:26:30.647 the onsite pieces? 00:26:31.055 --> 00:26:31.955 Yeah, one hundred percent. 00:26:32.036 --> 00:26:33.798 So call the office. 00:26:33.837 --> 00:26:34.979 The contact information is 00:26:35.058 --> 00:26:37.561 on the website there or, you know, 00:26:37.701 --> 00:26:40.325 office at AOMP.org is maybe 00:26:40.345 --> 00:26:42.426 the easiest for individuals 00:26:42.467 --> 00:26:43.788 to reach out and connect. 00:26:43.807 --> 00:26:45.569 And if they have questions, you know, 00:26:45.650 --> 00:26:46.050 anything, 00:26:46.191 --> 00:26:47.451 any kind of question that they might have, 00:26:47.491 --> 00:26:48.452 I know they can address 00:26:48.492 --> 00:26:49.855 those questions really well. 00:26:49.875 --> 00:26:53.298 And so I do encourage people who are, 00:26:53.458 --> 00:26:53.679 you know, 00:26:54.159 --> 00:26:55.000 thinking about it, 00:26:55.059 --> 00:26:56.560 maybe have some questions about that. 00:26:56.901 --> 00:26:57.741 If they have some content 00:26:57.781 --> 00:26:58.923 related questions, things like that, 00:26:58.942 --> 00:26:59.123 I mean, 00:26:59.143 --> 00:27:00.263 certainly they can reach out to me 00:27:00.304 --> 00:27:00.723 as well. 00:27:01.223 --> 00:27:01.305 Um, 00:27:01.444 --> 00:27:02.545 and I know the office would be able to 00:27:02.565 --> 00:27:04.507 get their contact information to me and I, 00:27:04.626 --> 00:27:05.647 and I've fielded some of 00:27:05.667 --> 00:27:07.209 those kinds of questions already before. 00:27:07.709 --> 00:27:09.029 And so that's perfectly fine. 00:27:09.411 --> 00:27:11.332 Um, and that perfectly expected as well. 00:27:11.432 --> 00:27:12.712 That's awesome. 00:27:12.873 --> 00:27:13.413 Awesome. 00:27:13.993 --> 00:27:14.615 Well, Derek, 00:27:14.674 --> 00:27:15.494 I want to be mindful of 00:27:15.535 --> 00:27:17.116 everyone's time and I so 00:27:17.176 --> 00:27:18.136 appreciate the opportunity 00:27:18.156 --> 00:27:19.057 to just have some candid 00:27:19.097 --> 00:27:20.098 conversation with you about 00:27:20.558 --> 00:27:22.901 all things AMP conference and, uh, 00:27:23.266 --> 00:27:24.748 hopefully a few listeners 00:27:24.788 --> 00:27:26.509 who hadn't known about all 00:27:26.549 --> 00:27:27.691 the different pieces and parts, 00:27:27.790 --> 00:27:28.612 one about conference and 00:27:28.652 --> 00:27:30.954 who you're bringing to the main stage, 00:27:30.994 --> 00:27:32.355 hopefully learned a few things. 00:27:33.277 --> 00:27:34.117 But again, 00:27:34.178 --> 00:27:34.939 we always have to be 00:27:34.959 --> 00:27:35.880 appreciative of the people 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:37.281 giving up so much time, energy, 00:27:37.301 --> 00:27:38.442 and effort to do this work. 00:27:38.502 --> 00:27:38.583 And 00:27:39.005 --> 00:27:40.106 that certainly includes you 00:27:40.126 --> 00:27:41.268 and the staff so thank you 00:27:41.307 --> 00:27:42.609 so much for doing that work 00:27:42.710 --> 00:27:43.871 on on the behalf of our 00:27:43.891 --> 00:27:45.053 profession right really 00:27:45.093 --> 00:27:46.193 advancing our knowledge 00:27:46.233 --> 00:27:47.715 helps our patients and if 00:27:47.736 --> 00:27:48.676 we really are doing that 00:27:48.717 --> 00:27:49.758 work we have to be indebted 00:27:49.778 --> 00:27:51.220 to the people who put the 00:27:51.259 --> 00:27:52.761 work in to getting this 00:27:52.781 --> 00:27:53.702 line up and getting the 00:27:53.742 --> 00:27:55.265 conference ready to go so thank you for 00:27:55.854 --> 00:27:56.515 Yeah, you're welcome. 00:27:56.535 --> 00:27:57.855 And also, you know, 00:27:57.915 --> 00:27:58.997 you mentioned it already to 00:27:59.057 --> 00:28:00.938 the conference committee earlier. 00:28:01.499 --> 00:28:02.980 They put in a lot of work as well. 00:28:03.059 --> 00:28:04.300 And especially this year, you know, 00:28:04.441 --> 00:28:06.122 just to kind of come back around to that, 00:28:06.563 --> 00:28:07.202 we're gonna have a great 00:28:07.242 --> 00:28:08.624 conference because we had a 00:28:09.704 --> 00:28:12.007 very large number of submissions. 00:28:12.166 --> 00:28:13.188 It was actually a lot of 00:28:13.208 --> 00:28:13.988 work that the conference 00:28:14.008 --> 00:28:15.549 committee went through to 00:28:16.069 --> 00:28:17.631 work through and get, you know, sort of a 00:28:18.811 --> 00:28:20.051 a conference that we felt 00:28:20.172 --> 00:28:21.932 was going to be diverse 00:28:21.992 --> 00:28:24.153 enough and experiences and 00:28:24.173 --> 00:28:24.753 that kind of thing. 00:28:24.794 --> 00:28:25.554 And so I really want to give 00:28:25.574 --> 00:28:28.035 them props as well, as you know, 00:28:28.055 --> 00:28:29.474 that they work really hard. 00:28:29.634 --> 00:28:30.415 Absolutely. 00:28:30.516 --> 00:28:30.816 I do. 00:28:31.675 --> 00:28:32.355 Well, I do. 00:28:32.496 --> 00:28:32.796 Again, 00:28:33.116 --> 00:28:34.817 I look so forward to seeing you and 00:28:34.997 --> 00:28:36.837 any of the listeners who 00:28:36.877 --> 00:28:38.218 are going to join us in 00:28:38.417 --> 00:28:40.239 Orlando for our conference. 00:28:40.298 --> 00:28:41.538 I cannot wait to see people. 00:28:41.679 --> 00:28:42.398 Such a lineup, 00:28:42.459 --> 00:28:44.319 such a great energy that always comes. 00:28:44.795 --> 00:28:45.755 Virtual options are 00:28:45.775 --> 00:28:46.955 definitely available too. 00:28:47.215 --> 00:28:48.517 And I thought that the, you know, 00:28:48.537 --> 00:28:49.477 the lineup looked really 00:28:49.517 --> 00:28:50.817 great and it highlighted on 00:28:50.857 --> 00:28:52.617 the website at schedule at a glance, 00:28:52.917 --> 00:28:54.378 some of the virtual pieces too. 00:28:54.419 --> 00:28:55.419 So that way people could 00:28:55.459 --> 00:28:56.680 kind of know what are they 00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:58.079 seeing and what's the bang for the buck. 00:28:58.099 --> 00:28:59.381 If they can't make it down, 00:28:59.721 --> 00:29:00.682 we still welcome them in 00:29:00.701 --> 00:29:01.902 that virtual sense too. 00:29:02.021 --> 00:29:03.202 So, you know, 00:29:03.242 --> 00:29:04.482 hopefully if people have 00:29:04.542 --> 00:29:05.864 questions about virtual elements, 00:29:05.903 --> 00:29:07.124 they certainly should reach out. 00:29:07.223 --> 00:29:08.464 I know some people are, 00:29:08.484 --> 00:29:09.204 am I really going to get 00:29:09.224 --> 00:29:11.605 the quality and the amount for my money? 00:29:11.645 --> 00:29:13.106 And the answer is, Derek, 00:29:13.146 --> 00:29:13.747 what's your answer? 00:29:14.247 --> 00:29:15.047 Oh, one hundred percent. 00:29:15.067 --> 00:29:15.406 They will. 00:29:15.446 --> 00:29:16.768 They will get actually all 00:29:16.827 --> 00:29:18.848 of the look on the website. 00:29:18.868 --> 00:29:19.909 You'll find that you'll see 00:29:20.469 --> 00:29:21.430 a lot of the information. 00:29:21.450 --> 00:29:22.089 You won't be able to go to 00:29:22.109 --> 00:29:24.270 the pub crawl with us in Orlando, 00:29:24.590 --> 00:29:25.510 but you're going to get 00:29:25.570 --> 00:29:27.192 everything else as well, though. 00:29:27.771 --> 00:29:28.432 Absolutely. 00:29:28.612 --> 00:29:29.011 Absolutely. 00:29:29.031 --> 00:29:29.392 Well, Derek, 00:29:29.451 --> 00:29:31.093 thank you so much for making time today. 00:29:31.553 --> 00:29:32.913 I cannot wait to see you and 00:29:33.114 --> 00:29:34.253 see our audience there. 00:29:34.753 --> 00:29:35.835 Have a great rest of your day, guys. 00:29:36.214 --> 00:29:36.575 Thank you.