WEBVTT 00:00:03.899 --> 00:00:04.639 Well, hello everyone. 00:00:04.660 --> 00:00:05.500 I'm Derek Cluley. 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:07.902 I am the host of Hands On 00:00:07.942 --> 00:00:09.003 Hands Off podcast. 00:00:09.042 --> 00:00:10.044 I've been the host of Hands 00:00:10.144 --> 00:00:11.564 On Hands Off podcast with 00:00:11.585 --> 00:00:12.586 the Duke Centers for 00:00:12.625 --> 00:00:13.365 Excellence in Manual 00:00:13.407 --> 00:00:14.426 Manipulative Therapy. 00:00:15.067 --> 00:00:16.009 And we are excited because 00:00:16.048 --> 00:00:16.849 this is actually our first 00:00:16.928 --> 00:00:18.050 episode that we are doing 00:00:18.350 --> 00:00:19.510 where the Hands On Hands 00:00:19.550 --> 00:00:21.172 Off podcast is associated with 00:00:21.792 --> 00:00:23.134 the American Academy of 00:00:23.193 --> 00:00:24.873 Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists. 00:00:25.155 --> 00:00:26.515 So AMPH is going to be 00:00:26.554 --> 00:00:28.175 taking this over and we are 00:00:28.576 --> 00:00:30.797 super excited to be a part of this. 00:00:30.856 --> 00:00:32.898 And more exciting is that I 00:00:32.957 --> 00:00:35.338 am not going to really be the only host. 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:37.159 We're going to have a variety of hosts. 00:00:37.780 --> 00:00:38.679 But to kick us off, 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:39.460 we're going to have our 00:00:39.561 --> 00:00:41.860 first set of hosts really 00:00:42.140 --> 00:00:43.902 talking a little bit about, I guess, 00:00:44.121 --> 00:00:45.222 anything and everything 00:00:45.241 --> 00:00:47.323 that's related to manual therapy. 00:00:47.362 --> 00:00:48.343 We have no idea where this 00:00:48.383 --> 00:00:49.384 conversation is going to go, 00:00:49.404 --> 00:00:50.743 but I think it's going to go where we, 00:00:51.643 --> 00:00:53.024 well, I guess wherever it goes. 00:00:53.045 --> 00:00:54.125 So I'm going to bring into 00:00:54.164 --> 00:00:56.206 our stage here my fellow 00:00:56.286 --> 00:00:57.265 co-hosts for today, 00:00:57.286 --> 00:00:58.546 and we're really just going 00:00:58.567 --> 00:00:59.307 to have a conversation. 00:01:00.186 --> 00:01:01.686 a roundtable conversation 00:01:01.707 --> 00:01:02.747 about what we're planning 00:01:02.768 --> 00:01:03.807 to do what we want to do 00:01:03.847 --> 00:01:05.108 with this and then also 00:01:05.128 --> 00:01:05.888 just talk a little bit 00:01:05.927 --> 00:01:07.149 about some of the things 00:01:07.168 --> 00:01:07.989 that we're doing here 00:01:08.049 --> 00:01:09.728 within AOMP that I think 00:01:10.028 --> 00:01:11.709 our listeners would be 00:01:11.870 --> 00:01:13.010 really interested in 00:01:13.150 --> 00:01:15.189 hearing about so I'll bring 00:01:15.590 --> 00:01:16.950 Megan Donaldson and Amy 00:01:16.971 --> 00:01:19.311 McDevitt into the studio 00:01:19.350 --> 00:01:21.031 here so hello Megan hello 00:01:21.072 --> 00:01:22.152 Amy how are y'all doing today? 00:01:23.703 --> 00:01:24.183 Good, Derek. 00:01:24.222 --> 00:01:24.963 Thanks for having us. 00:01:25.364 --> 00:01:25.963 Yeah, absolutely. 00:01:26.004 --> 00:01:27.325 Well, you're having me too. 00:01:27.405 --> 00:01:28.665 So just so we're clear, 00:01:28.786 --> 00:01:31.227 this is a triple hosted 00:01:31.387 --> 00:01:32.548 event with no guests. 00:01:32.647 --> 00:01:34.028 We're all just guests and hosts. 00:01:36.269 --> 00:01:36.750 But Megan, 00:01:36.769 --> 00:01:39.531 I know that you're our president 00:01:39.871 --> 00:01:40.611 and I think it's really 00:01:40.692 --> 00:01:42.412 cool that you've taken on 00:01:42.453 --> 00:01:45.075 the opportunity to also be 00:01:45.094 --> 00:01:46.475 a part of this and really 00:01:46.715 --> 00:01:47.977 be a part of branding and things. 00:01:48.016 --> 00:01:48.417 So if you 00:01:48.897 --> 00:01:49.778 Maybe you can give your 00:01:49.817 --> 00:01:51.200 introduction first and Amy, 00:01:51.219 --> 00:01:52.561 you can go as well with, you know, 00:01:52.581 --> 00:01:53.462 being an executive board 00:01:53.542 --> 00:01:55.525 member and also being one 00:01:55.545 --> 00:01:56.265 of the hosts here. 00:01:56.305 --> 00:01:56.686 So Megan, 00:01:56.706 --> 00:01:57.727 I'm going to kick it back to you 00:01:57.766 --> 00:01:58.727 because I got to stop talking. 00:01:59.549 --> 00:01:59.909 All right. 00:01:59.948 --> 00:02:01.210 Well, I'll take it for now. 00:02:01.814 --> 00:02:03.055 So Megan Donaldson, 00:02:03.135 --> 00:02:04.676 and I'm president of AOMT. 00:02:04.876 --> 00:02:07.115 I'm also a department chair 00:02:07.275 --> 00:02:08.936 at Medical University of South Carolina. 00:02:09.417 --> 00:02:10.757 And so I've been a part of 00:02:10.817 --> 00:02:12.877 PT education for quite some time, 00:02:12.937 --> 00:02:13.956 still a clinician doing 00:02:13.997 --> 00:02:15.277 mostly pro bono work. 00:02:15.957 --> 00:02:18.377 And obviously I'm a mom of 00:02:18.418 --> 00:02:19.718 two kids and staying pretty 00:02:19.838 --> 00:02:21.399 active with all the things that they do. 00:02:21.538 --> 00:02:23.900 So when I got asked to do this, 00:02:23.979 --> 00:02:25.780 we absolutely had to say yes, 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:27.500 because manual therapy is 00:02:27.539 --> 00:02:28.300 part of the passion that 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:29.961 we've had for so many years, 00:02:30.061 --> 00:02:30.980 obviously serves the 00:02:31.646 --> 00:02:33.367 AMP organization really well. 00:02:33.949 --> 00:02:35.449 And I'm excited to talk a 00:02:35.469 --> 00:02:36.289 little bit about it and 00:02:36.330 --> 00:02:37.151 maybe why this is so 00:02:37.170 --> 00:02:38.451 important for us to do this 00:02:38.891 --> 00:02:39.872 adventure together. 00:02:40.052 --> 00:02:42.274 So that's a little bit about me. 00:02:42.593 --> 00:02:43.514 Amy, how about you? 00:02:44.110 --> 00:02:44.509 All right. 00:02:44.650 --> 00:02:44.969 All right. 00:02:45.710 --> 00:02:49.371 So Amy McDevitt, I am a member at large. 00:02:49.411 --> 00:02:50.651 So I'm on the executive 00:02:51.031 --> 00:02:52.252 committee also at AMT, 00:02:52.292 --> 00:02:53.831 which is a great position. 00:02:54.151 --> 00:02:56.331 I get to kind of represent 00:02:56.391 --> 00:02:57.913 membership and what's happening there. 00:02:57.932 --> 00:03:01.293 I also get to be involved in bylaw changes, 00:03:01.332 --> 00:03:02.554 which is really exciting. 00:03:04.313 --> 00:03:05.234 We always hope that we don't 00:03:05.274 --> 00:03:07.074 have more than a handful every year, 00:03:07.193 --> 00:03:08.455 but you never know what's 00:03:08.474 --> 00:03:09.275 coming down the pike. 00:03:09.335 --> 00:03:09.474 So 00:03:10.855 --> 00:03:12.519 I am an associate professor 00:03:12.538 --> 00:03:13.520 at University of Colorado. 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:14.961 So I'm in a teaching position. 00:03:15.562 --> 00:03:16.002 Clinically, 00:03:16.062 --> 00:03:17.885 I work in an outpatient clinic 00:03:17.945 --> 00:03:19.247 at the University of Colorado Health. 00:03:19.348 --> 00:03:22.031 So I dabble in the clinical world. 00:03:22.230 --> 00:03:24.193 And then I also do some clinical research. 00:03:24.213 --> 00:03:25.596 So I get to wear that hat too. 00:03:26.407 --> 00:03:27.688 And I'm really excited to be 00:03:27.729 --> 00:03:29.050 here because I think part 00:03:29.090 --> 00:03:31.792 of what we've decided to do is, you know, 00:03:31.872 --> 00:03:32.912 interview all sorts of 00:03:33.013 --> 00:03:34.272 people that historically 00:03:34.312 --> 00:03:34.933 have been part of the 00:03:34.993 --> 00:03:36.474 organization or maybe are 00:03:36.534 --> 00:03:37.836 new and are really change 00:03:37.876 --> 00:03:39.456 makers in the organization. 00:03:39.477 --> 00:03:41.557 And we want to be able to cover, you know, 00:03:41.578 --> 00:03:42.718 a whole plethora of topics 00:03:42.758 --> 00:03:43.379 that we think are going to 00:03:43.419 --> 00:03:44.860 be interesting to the listeners. 00:03:46.020 --> 00:03:46.502 Absolutely. 00:03:47.021 --> 00:03:48.703 And I even think this next piece, 00:03:48.763 --> 00:03:51.284 which is Derek being conference chair, 00:03:51.663 --> 00:03:52.384 Can you just talk a little 00:03:52.425 --> 00:03:53.765 bit about maybe why he's 00:03:53.825 --> 00:03:54.926 interested in participating 00:03:54.967 --> 00:03:55.606 in this and how a 00:03:55.667 --> 00:03:56.627 conference could benefit? 00:03:57.169 --> 00:03:58.009 Yeah, absolutely. 00:03:58.050 --> 00:03:59.009 And I'll just give my quick 00:03:59.069 --> 00:04:00.070 introduction as well. 00:04:00.251 --> 00:04:02.013 I'm an assistant professor 00:04:02.052 --> 00:04:03.433 at Duke University in the 00:04:03.574 --> 00:04:05.056 Doctor of Physical Therapy Division. 00:04:05.355 --> 00:04:06.896 I've been a physical therapist for, 00:04:07.298 --> 00:04:08.138 you know how when you 00:04:08.778 --> 00:04:10.700 select how long you've been 00:04:10.741 --> 00:04:12.262 a member of the organization, 00:04:12.301 --> 00:04:13.603 I think it starts out like 00:04:13.643 --> 00:04:15.344 zero to two years, two to five years. 00:04:16.064 --> 00:04:18.745 six to 15, or six to 10, 00:04:18.745 --> 00:04:19.666 and then 11 to 15. 00:04:19.666 --> 00:04:20.326 And then there's like this, 00:04:20.387 --> 00:04:22.327 I think there's a 20 and up category. 00:04:22.668 --> 00:04:23.329 And it's just for like, 00:04:23.408 --> 00:04:24.769 just the rest of everybody else. 00:04:24.829 --> 00:04:26.250 I think I'm in that category now. 00:04:26.290 --> 00:04:30.752 So, but I've been a PT for a while, 00:04:31.333 --> 00:04:32.293 but I've been in academia 00:04:32.333 --> 00:04:33.254 for eight years. 00:04:33.274 --> 00:04:35.334 I do serve a little bit of 00:04:35.355 --> 00:04:36.035 clinical practice, 00:04:36.415 --> 00:04:37.696 specifically with mentoring. 00:04:37.735 --> 00:04:38.976 And I had an opportunity to 00:04:38.997 --> 00:04:40.918 mentor some manual therapy fellows, 00:04:41.017 --> 00:04:41.858 especially in this last 00:04:41.918 --> 00:04:42.718 year with our program. 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:45.261 And so that's part of what I 00:04:45.281 --> 00:04:46.422 do professionally. 00:04:46.442 --> 00:04:48.202 And then within the organization, yes, 00:04:48.283 --> 00:04:49.624 I am the conference chair, 00:04:49.663 --> 00:04:50.564 was previously on the 00:04:50.625 --> 00:04:53.127 executive board as well in Amy's role, 00:04:53.187 --> 00:04:54.168 which I don't think we had 00:04:54.208 --> 00:04:56.329 as many bylaw changes until Amy came on. 00:04:58.612 --> 00:05:02.714 So in the conference chair role and yeah, 00:05:02.754 --> 00:05:03.795 really excited about this 00:05:03.836 --> 00:05:05.737 because I think this brings 00:05:05.838 --> 00:05:07.800 us another opportunity to 00:05:08.339 --> 00:05:11.440 highlight things that go on at conference, 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:12.802 that go on before conference, 00:05:12.822 --> 00:05:14.201 that go on after conference. 00:05:14.242 --> 00:05:15.723 It lets people continue to 00:05:16.223 --> 00:05:17.603 live in the world that, you know, 00:05:17.663 --> 00:05:19.184 if anybody's been to one of 00:05:19.223 --> 00:05:20.644 our conferences, really, 00:05:20.663 --> 00:05:21.904 I think that's where they 00:05:21.925 --> 00:05:23.064 start to get energized and 00:05:23.084 --> 00:05:24.245 rejuvenated about what 00:05:24.345 --> 00:05:26.005 we're doing in terms of our 00:05:26.065 --> 00:05:27.125 professional career and our 00:05:27.165 --> 00:05:27.927 goals and such. 00:05:27.987 --> 00:05:28.666 And when we 00:05:29.206 --> 00:05:30.528 having something like this 00:05:30.627 --> 00:05:31.809 and as Amy said where we 00:05:31.848 --> 00:05:33.850 can bring in guests you 00:05:33.889 --> 00:05:35.230 know people who are sort of 00:05:35.411 --> 00:05:36.331 legends and lores of the 00:05:36.372 --> 00:05:37.451 profession but then also 00:05:37.872 --> 00:05:39.033 bringing in those that are 00:05:39.252 --> 00:05:40.334 those new and upcoming 00:05:40.394 --> 00:05:41.454 talents and highlighting 00:05:41.495 --> 00:05:42.334 people I think this is a 00:05:42.394 --> 00:05:43.855 really cool opportunity 00:05:43.915 --> 00:05:45.057 that's been a while that 00:05:45.076 --> 00:05:45.937 way I think we need to take 00:05:45.978 --> 00:05:48.079 this take on this challenge 00:05:48.098 --> 00:05:48.839 and looking forward to it. 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:50.420 Yeah and Derek you've done a 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:51.761 great job and bringing so 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:53.141 much energy to conference I 00:05:53.161 --> 00:05:54.202 mean and I'll just say 00:05:54.608 --> 00:05:55.728 I was in that formal role, 00:05:55.769 --> 00:05:57.769 but you take it to a whole nother level. 00:05:57.810 --> 00:05:59.089 So this is great to have you 00:05:59.211 --> 00:06:00.911 here and doing this and 00:06:00.971 --> 00:06:02.172 taking what we bring her 00:06:02.232 --> 00:06:04.452 conference just to a different medium, 00:06:04.552 --> 00:06:04.834 right? 00:06:04.874 --> 00:06:06.494 Like it's to reach audiences 00:06:06.593 --> 00:06:08.254 that it's not just a single week. 00:06:08.815 --> 00:06:10.336 Um, it extends over time. 00:06:10.377 --> 00:06:12.718 They can hit us pretty much any, uh, 00:06:12.918 --> 00:06:13.718 you know, day of the week. 00:06:13.757 --> 00:06:15.218 If once we get to full scale, 00:06:15.699 --> 00:06:16.699 this will be great for 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:17.901 those audience members. 00:06:17.980 --> 00:06:18.661 And to me, 00:06:18.721 --> 00:06:20.221 this is part of our strategic plan. 00:06:20.302 --> 00:06:22.242 We absolutely want to engage. 00:06:22.745 --> 00:06:24.906 with our membership and give 00:06:24.927 --> 00:06:25.627 them something back. 00:06:25.666 --> 00:06:25.846 I mean, 00:06:25.908 --> 00:06:27.369 obviously they've been members for 00:06:27.408 --> 00:06:28.129 a long time, 00:06:28.550 --> 00:06:29.589 but we also want to make sure 00:06:29.610 --> 00:06:30.430 that they can feel like 00:06:30.471 --> 00:06:31.572 there's resources that they 00:06:31.591 --> 00:06:33.454 can plug into and know that 00:06:33.533 --> 00:06:34.795 we have those resources, 00:06:34.834 --> 00:06:36.216 that we're building those resources. 00:06:36.908 --> 00:06:38.069 That's a goal I know that as 00:06:38.129 --> 00:06:40.211 a board we've put this forward to do, 00:06:40.490 --> 00:06:41.331 and this was one of the 00:06:41.370 --> 00:06:42.672 mediums that we wanted to do it. 00:06:42.752 --> 00:06:44.653 So we appreciate you and 00:06:45.432 --> 00:06:47.394 Duke and Chad Cook for 00:06:47.454 --> 00:06:48.495 allowing us to kind of have 00:06:48.535 --> 00:06:49.375 this opportunity to 00:06:49.696 --> 00:06:54.278 transition with CMET's hands-on, 00:06:54.338 --> 00:06:55.918 hands-off podcast so we can 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.019 get this to our audience as well. 00:06:58.769 --> 00:06:58.928 Yeah. 00:06:58.949 --> 00:06:59.949 And I think it aligns really 00:06:59.968 --> 00:07:01.970 well with AOMT and the 00:07:02.209 --> 00:07:04.170 strategic plan that we have. 00:07:04.269 --> 00:07:05.529 And it's nice to see this a 00:07:05.610 --> 00:07:06.930 little bit more formalized 00:07:07.470 --> 00:07:10.250 connection between the two endeavors, 00:07:10.411 --> 00:07:10.550 well, 00:07:10.571 --> 00:07:12.071 not with the endeavor and then with 00:07:12.110 --> 00:07:13.050 the association. 00:07:13.071 --> 00:07:14.372 You know, 00:07:14.411 --> 00:07:17.492 the mission for the Centers for 00:07:17.572 --> 00:07:18.971 Excellence in Manual and 00:07:18.992 --> 00:07:21.132 Manipulative Therapy is to provide, 00:07:21.153 --> 00:07:22.093 I think it's really this 00:07:22.273 --> 00:07:23.293 balanced and honest, 00:07:23.512 --> 00:07:24.973 credible information about 00:07:25.093 --> 00:07:27.853 manual therapy and what better 00:07:28.653 --> 00:07:30.115 avenue to do that than to 00:07:30.154 --> 00:07:31.677 have a podcast that brings 00:07:31.697 --> 00:07:34.540 in people who are, you know, 00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:36.101 can speak to sort of both 00:07:36.141 --> 00:07:37.723 sides of the aisle really nicely. 00:07:37.764 --> 00:07:38.463 So I look forward to 00:07:38.504 --> 00:07:39.485 bringing in some of those guests. 00:07:39.505 --> 00:07:40.045 That's kind of what we've 00:07:40.065 --> 00:07:40.966 tried to do with some of 00:07:40.987 --> 00:07:42.288 the conference programming as well. 00:07:43.225 --> 00:07:43.466 Yeah. 00:07:43.766 --> 00:07:44.947 And I like how we've kind of 00:07:44.987 --> 00:07:47.209 decided as a group here to engage, 00:07:47.228 --> 00:07:48.129 you know, 00:07:48.149 --> 00:07:49.591 people on topics that aren't 00:07:49.630 --> 00:07:50.612 just maybe specific to 00:07:50.651 --> 00:07:51.752 manual therapy research, 00:07:51.793 --> 00:07:52.673 but I love that we're 00:07:52.694 --> 00:07:55.175 thinking about clinicians 00:07:55.255 --> 00:07:56.677 and bringing in clinicians 00:07:56.697 --> 00:07:58.459 that have ideas related to the topic. 00:07:58.478 --> 00:07:59.819 We've talked about maybe 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:00.901 bringing in some people who 00:08:00.940 --> 00:08:02.601 have some expertise in education, 00:08:03.442 --> 00:08:04.423 because I think a lot of us 00:08:04.463 --> 00:08:05.384 wear different hats, 00:08:05.464 --> 00:08:07.245 whether we're clinicians 00:08:07.305 --> 00:08:08.728 and educating students or 00:08:08.767 --> 00:08:10.048 residents or fellows, you know, 00:08:10.069 --> 00:08:11.370 we can always glean more. 00:08:12.622 --> 00:08:12.843 you know, 00:08:12.942 --> 00:08:14.343 insight and information from 00:08:14.884 --> 00:08:15.805 people that are coming in, 00:08:15.925 --> 00:08:16.966 talking to us about how to 00:08:16.985 --> 00:08:17.927 be better educators. 00:08:18.007 --> 00:08:20.990 So I like the kind of draft 00:08:21.149 --> 00:08:22.531 lineup that we have that 00:08:22.550 --> 00:08:23.211 we're not going to just 00:08:23.271 --> 00:08:24.692 close just quite yet. 00:08:25.153 --> 00:08:26.413 But I think we have some 00:08:26.473 --> 00:08:27.915 good ideas about the types 00:08:27.995 --> 00:08:28.795 of people that we're going 00:08:28.815 --> 00:08:30.297 to bring in to share ideas with us. 00:08:30.958 --> 00:08:31.338 Yeah, Amy, 00:08:31.358 --> 00:08:32.139 I'm glad you brought that up 00:08:32.178 --> 00:08:33.580 because I think it's nice for the... 00:08:35.250 --> 00:08:36.350 probably the majority of our 00:08:36.389 --> 00:08:38.071 membership is not 00:08:38.591 --> 00:08:40.231 researchers and educators, right? 00:08:40.251 --> 00:08:41.131 The majority of our 00:08:41.172 --> 00:08:43.533 membership is clinicians. 00:08:43.932 --> 00:08:46.553 And I think making sure that 00:08:46.634 --> 00:08:49.254 we always have some sort of 00:08:49.354 --> 00:08:51.174 focus within that. 00:08:51.294 --> 00:08:52.755 And I think having a chance 00:08:52.796 --> 00:08:54.495 to bring in clinicians, 00:08:54.615 --> 00:08:55.296 one thing I actually have 00:08:55.336 --> 00:08:56.517 always thought that AOM has 00:08:56.537 --> 00:08:57.437 done really well that, 00:08:57.857 --> 00:09:00.239 You know, we have high level researchers, 00:09:00.719 --> 00:09:00.958 you know, 00:09:00.999 --> 00:09:02.198 some of the highest level of 00:09:02.538 --> 00:09:03.639 research funding that are 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:05.639 part of our membership. 00:09:06.100 --> 00:09:08.321 But we also have very impactful, 00:09:08.400 --> 00:09:10.761 well-known clinicians who, you know, 00:09:10.841 --> 00:09:13.602 many of our members have learned from it. 00:09:13.623 --> 00:09:14.822 And when you think about who 00:09:14.863 --> 00:09:16.844 we are with the fellowship training, 00:09:17.163 --> 00:09:19.404 it truly is a clinical fellowship. 00:09:19.504 --> 00:09:22.426 And so I think having, you know, 00:09:22.666 --> 00:09:23.765 making sure that when we 00:09:23.806 --> 00:09:24.905 bring in guests that we're 00:09:24.946 --> 00:09:27.106 always considering, you know, 00:09:27.678 --> 00:09:28.960 that part of it as well, 00:09:29.259 --> 00:09:30.620 not necessarily translating 00:09:30.660 --> 00:09:32.562 all these evidence from the researcher, 00:09:32.582 --> 00:09:34.443 but also bringing in the clinician who is, 00:09:34.945 --> 00:09:36.905 um, you know, using some of that. 00:09:37.986 --> 00:09:38.206 Yeah. 00:09:39.008 --> 00:09:39.207 Yeah. 00:09:39.347 --> 00:09:39.908 I think that's great. 00:09:39.948 --> 00:09:41.429 And we all started there, you know, that's, 00:09:41.809 --> 00:09:43.652 uh, for all of us, those were our roots. 00:09:43.772 --> 00:09:46.214 And so, um, I think it's great to try to. 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:48.581 give clinicians some 00:09:48.642 --> 00:09:49.783 palatable information to 00:09:49.822 --> 00:09:51.224 take back to the clinic, you know, 00:09:51.244 --> 00:09:53.044 whether they practice just 00:09:53.105 --> 00:09:54.066 clinically or whether they 00:09:54.145 --> 00:09:55.067 educate in the clinic. 00:09:55.086 --> 00:09:56.948 And I still think what's 00:09:57.009 --> 00:09:57.929 neat is bringing in people 00:09:57.950 --> 00:09:59.071 to talk about education. 00:09:59.130 --> 00:10:00.312 It's not just necessarily 00:10:00.392 --> 00:10:02.293 education of peers and colleagues, 00:10:02.333 --> 00:10:03.835 but education of patients too. 00:10:03.934 --> 00:10:04.995 And so, you know, 00:10:05.015 --> 00:10:05.976 I think there's a lot of 00:10:06.017 --> 00:10:07.158 different avenues that we 00:10:07.238 --> 00:10:08.438 are willing to take with us 00:10:08.918 --> 00:10:10.019 in order to just bring in a 00:10:10.059 --> 00:10:12.121 diversity of speakers to 00:10:12.422 --> 00:10:13.864 give us a diversity of information. 00:10:14.928 --> 00:10:15.208 And Amy, 00:10:15.288 --> 00:10:16.889 I love the fact that we even went 00:10:17.009 --> 00:10:18.429 outside of the US, right? 00:10:18.490 --> 00:10:20.610 Like our goal as an organization, 00:10:20.691 --> 00:10:22.551 which is a member organization of iFOMT, 00:10:22.931 --> 00:10:23.650 is for us to have that 00:10:23.711 --> 00:10:25.312 international flavor and 00:10:25.572 --> 00:10:26.631 perspective at times. 00:10:26.711 --> 00:10:27.692 I think it makes us better. 00:10:27.712 --> 00:10:29.472 And so for us to look at 00:10:29.533 --> 00:10:30.493 speakers and really be 00:10:30.533 --> 00:10:31.494 mindful about who can we 00:10:31.533 --> 00:10:32.553 pull from the US and who 00:10:32.594 --> 00:10:33.494 can we pull from outside, 00:10:33.533 --> 00:10:34.975 because this medium allows 00:10:35.014 --> 00:10:36.195 that rich engagement. 00:10:36.735 --> 00:10:37.894 And it's not about, oh, 00:10:37.934 --> 00:10:38.956 can you make the week work? 00:10:38.975 --> 00:10:39.716 Can you travel? 00:10:39.775 --> 00:10:40.076 Can you 00:10:40.471 --> 00:10:41.493 you know, leave your family, 00:10:41.552 --> 00:10:42.793 because I mean, let's be honest, 00:10:42.833 --> 00:10:43.833 if we're really looking at 00:10:43.894 --> 00:10:44.815 how do we do this, 00:10:45.315 --> 00:10:47.235 where we can engage with each other, 00:10:47.255 --> 00:10:48.937 it has to fit in our life. 00:10:49.378 --> 00:10:50.498 And so we're trying to find 00:10:50.538 --> 00:10:52.220 ways to do that, whether you're a mom, 00:10:52.299 --> 00:10:54.240 a dad or whatever, you know, 00:10:54.260 --> 00:10:54.980 you got to make sure that 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:55.902 we can fit in the life. 00:10:55.981 --> 00:10:56.721 And so really, 00:10:56.761 --> 00:10:58.102 this is a great medium for 00:10:58.182 --> 00:10:59.083 us to be able to line up 00:10:59.344 --> 00:11:00.504 amazing speakers, 00:11:01.041 --> 00:11:02.581 with some flexibility, right. 00:11:02.642 --> 00:11:03.201 That bring that 00:11:03.322 --> 00:11:04.482 international flavor 00:11:04.682 --> 00:11:06.403 experience expertise. 00:11:07.004 --> 00:11:07.825 Um, and to me, 00:11:07.865 --> 00:11:10.265 this is a priority because it helps our, 00:11:10.285 --> 00:11:10.886 our professional 00:11:10.907 --> 00:11:12.607 development of all of our, our members. 00:11:13.187 --> 00:11:13.327 Um, 00:11:13.427 --> 00:11:15.870 and so obviously carrying kind of that 00:11:15.950 --> 00:11:17.910 international feel with a 00:11:17.951 --> 00:11:20.751 little bit of a hometown grown feel, um, 00:11:20.792 --> 00:11:22.192 by having some of the, uh, 00:11:22.293 --> 00:11:23.234 the locals that they know 00:11:23.313 --> 00:11:25.315 of AOM doing some of the facilitating. 00:11:26.177 --> 00:11:26.557 And Megan, 00:11:26.577 --> 00:11:27.519 I want to say I really 00:11:27.558 --> 00:11:28.499 appreciate the fact that 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:29.418 you're putting yourself out 00:11:29.479 --> 00:11:30.820 there as the person who's 00:11:30.860 --> 00:11:31.600 going to interview the 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.920 international speakers at 2, 3, 00:11:33.920 --> 00:11:34.802 4 o'clock in the morning. 00:11:34.822 --> 00:11:37.022 I think your commitment is 00:11:37.143 --> 00:11:38.363 just unbelievable. 00:11:38.462 --> 00:11:39.604 I really appreciate the fact 00:11:39.683 --> 00:11:40.923 that you put that out there 00:11:41.663 --> 00:11:44.225 to be the front runner in 00:11:44.304 --> 00:11:45.485 doing those late night interviews. 00:11:46.548 --> 00:11:48.450 I'm just not sure. 00:11:48.549 --> 00:11:49.211 Yeah. 00:11:49.331 --> 00:11:51.491 Isn't Amy our international traveler? 00:11:51.592 --> 00:11:51.993 I mean, 00:11:52.173 --> 00:11:55.395 I really feel like I should give this up. 00:11:55.635 --> 00:11:56.817 I mean, like, you know, 00:11:56.897 --> 00:11:59.118 I feel like this is really your space, 00:11:59.198 --> 00:11:59.578 Amy. 00:11:59.958 --> 00:12:02.961 You know, I'm excited to just, you know, 00:12:03.001 --> 00:12:04.883 watch you grow in that platform. 00:12:04.942 --> 00:12:05.844 So, you know, 00:12:05.864 --> 00:12:07.825 feel free to take those early 00:12:07.884 --> 00:12:08.645 morning calls. 00:12:09.547 --> 00:12:10.847 Mountain time is probably 00:12:10.868 --> 00:12:12.048 the most flexible time. 00:12:12.589 --> 00:12:13.070 Is that right? 00:12:13.090 --> 00:12:14.211 But I agree, like, you know, 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:15.251 the international side. 00:12:15.491 --> 00:12:16.552 But you could also do, like, 00:12:16.572 --> 00:12:18.195 the early morning instead 00:12:18.235 --> 00:12:20.716 of the late evening for those recordings. 00:12:20.798 --> 00:12:23.220 But speaking of international, I just, 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.163 because I know our, and I don't know, 00:12:27.004 --> 00:12:28.706 so for our listeners out there right now, 00:12:29.005 --> 00:12:29.866 which right now we 00:12:29.886 --> 00:12:31.107 currently have none because 00:12:31.128 --> 00:12:32.428 this is our very first recording, 00:12:32.450 --> 00:12:34.692 so we're just saying this in this moment. 00:12:35.072 --> 00:12:36.953 but hopefully as we do this 00:12:37.014 --> 00:12:38.294 launch this out we will 00:12:38.335 --> 00:12:40.056 actually have um listeners 00:12:40.115 --> 00:12:41.317 and we'll see when this one 00:12:41.376 --> 00:12:42.317 actually gets pushed out 00:12:42.337 --> 00:12:43.177 there but when we're 00:12:43.217 --> 00:12:45.159 recording this right now on 00:12:45.259 --> 00:12:47.360 june 17th is that right I 00:12:47.402 --> 00:12:49.643 think it is june 17th and 00:12:49.962 --> 00:12:50.823 um I would imagine that 00:12:50.844 --> 00:12:52.384 this will get published um 00:12:52.826 --> 00:12:54.647 after the big event that's 00:12:54.687 --> 00:12:56.688 coming up in early july and 00:12:56.749 --> 00:12:58.169 megan you spoke to this 00:12:58.230 --> 00:12:59.530 just a couple minutes ago 00:12:59.571 --> 00:13:00.772 about the international 00:13:00.851 --> 00:13:01.511 presence and the 00:13:01.572 --> 00:13:03.673 international um you know a 00:13:03.994 --> 00:13:05.235 appreciation that we have. 00:13:06.375 --> 00:13:08.717 So, you know, 00:13:08.798 --> 00:13:10.479 besides the Taylor Swift 00:13:10.538 --> 00:13:12.020 concert that I think you 00:13:12.041 --> 00:13:13.881 may be going to or not, 00:13:13.942 --> 00:13:14.923 what else are you excited 00:13:14.962 --> 00:13:18.004 about this iFOMT expedition 00:13:18.044 --> 00:13:19.687 that we're going to be headed out to? 00:13:19.807 --> 00:13:21.587 And I think maybe your first iFOMT, right? 00:13:23.089 --> 00:13:24.529 Yeah, this is my first iFOMT. 00:13:24.570 --> 00:13:26.231 So I'm just timing of the other ones. 00:13:26.312 --> 00:13:27.413 I was never able to make it. 00:13:27.533 --> 00:13:27.653 So 00:13:28.136 --> 00:13:29.457 I'm really excited about this. 00:13:29.518 --> 00:13:31.278 So, um, you know, I think what's, 00:13:32.278 --> 00:13:34.760 so let's put, let's put it into context. 00:13:34.801 --> 00:13:37.101 So similar to AOMT, right. 00:13:37.221 --> 00:13:38.283 It's multiple days. 00:13:38.322 --> 00:13:39.722 There's some early sessions, 00:13:39.763 --> 00:13:40.764 like there's some optional 00:13:40.783 --> 00:13:41.705 things to join into, 00:13:41.745 --> 00:13:42.504 and then they do a little 00:13:42.524 --> 00:13:43.404 bit of a celebration. 00:13:43.445 --> 00:13:44.865 So that's all really similar. 00:13:45.506 --> 00:13:48.067 Um, there's a teaching, um, seminar. 00:13:48.128 --> 00:13:48.607 So again, 00:13:48.648 --> 00:13:49.928 for those who are kind of in the 00:13:50.028 --> 00:13:52.330 education space, mentors, um, 00:13:52.490 --> 00:13:54.071 maybe serving other fellows, right. 00:13:54.110 --> 00:13:55.451 Those are opportunities to 00:13:55.532 --> 00:13:56.832 plug into those other. 00:13:57.331 --> 00:13:58.894 who are doing that across the world. 00:13:59.436 --> 00:14:00.638 So that's really kind of cool. 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:02.841 There's rich conferencing. 00:14:02.861 --> 00:14:03.523 I mean, again, 00:14:03.563 --> 00:14:04.745 I think the biggest thing 00:14:04.785 --> 00:14:06.909 for me is this is a networking event. 00:14:08.192 --> 00:14:09.153 Internationally. 00:14:09.953 --> 00:14:11.854 So what the expectations are, 00:14:12.433 --> 00:14:14.514 I think it can be as much 00:14:14.575 --> 00:14:16.274 as you want or as little as you want. 00:14:16.294 --> 00:14:17.296 It just depends on how much 00:14:17.336 --> 00:14:18.615 you want to engage in those things. 00:14:18.696 --> 00:14:19.996 So to me, 00:14:20.057 --> 00:14:21.437 this is a space that we're taking 00:14:21.496 --> 00:14:23.378 our board and we're ready 00:14:23.418 --> 00:14:24.677 to go and meet and talk 00:14:24.697 --> 00:14:25.697 with people and really 00:14:25.738 --> 00:14:27.599 figure out best ways so we 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:28.719 can work together and 00:14:29.078 --> 00:14:31.580 leverage manual therapy on this platform 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:33.660 internationally so that 00:14:33.681 --> 00:14:34.900 people really do get a 00:14:34.961 --> 00:14:36.601 sense of what this is. 00:14:36.621 --> 00:14:38.322 And kind of again, 00:14:38.361 --> 00:14:40.503 going back to what CMAT was there to do, 00:14:40.602 --> 00:14:42.604 it's it's to remove the misnomers. 00:14:42.703 --> 00:14:44.904 It's the misinformation that 00:14:44.945 --> 00:14:45.664 has been out there 00:14:46.477 --> 00:14:47.639 We need to talk about this 00:14:47.698 --> 00:14:49.039 as a great viable option. 00:14:49.100 --> 00:14:49.799 And, you know, 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.802 I think the pendulum swings pretty good, 00:14:53.162 --> 00:14:54.363 especially in orthopedics 00:14:54.403 --> 00:14:55.683 and PT specifically. 00:14:55.724 --> 00:14:57.445 But within orthopedics, right, 00:14:57.485 --> 00:14:59.706 we've kind of gone to this exercise, 00:14:59.787 --> 00:15:00.647 pain science, 00:15:00.767 --> 00:15:02.028 and we've kind of forgotten 00:15:02.048 --> 00:15:02.748 a little bit about the 00:15:02.788 --> 00:15:03.948 benefit of manual therapy 00:15:04.068 --> 00:15:05.210 or it's been criticized. 00:15:05.649 --> 00:15:06.650 So this is a really nice 00:15:06.691 --> 00:15:07.491 place because the U.S. 00:15:07.511 --> 00:15:09.173 has stand pretty firm and we 00:15:09.214 --> 00:15:09.995 still believe in those 00:15:10.034 --> 00:15:11.616 supports and the multimodal approach. 00:15:11.956 --> 00:15:13.980 So to be able to go out there, you know, 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:14.760 when I say out there, 00:15:14.801 --> 00:15:16.322 I'm saying Switzerland. 00:15:17.023 --> 00:15:18.224 We're going to Switzerland 00:15:18.625 --> 00:15:19.365 and we're going to have 00:15:19.405 --> 00:15:20.907 these conversations and 00:15:20.986 --> 00:15:22.950 with researchers and speakers. 00:15:23.190 --> 00:15:24.091 And yeah, 00:15:24.110 --> 00:15:25.552 I can't I really couldn't be more 00:15:25.592 --> 00:15:26.634 excited for what we get to do. 00:15:27.235 --> 00:15:27.615 So Megan, 00:15:27.635 --> 00:15:28.517 aren't you excited that we're 00:15:28.557 --> 00:15:29.437 going with Amy though? 00:15:29.618 --> 00:15:30.697 Because I actually feel like 00:15:30.778 --> 00:15:31.999 Amy's are going to be our 00:15:32.038 --> 00:15:33.679 traveling mom because I 00:15:33.700 --> 00:15:34.980 have absolutely no freaking 00:15:35.061 --> 00:15:36.162 idea what to do. 00:15:36.182 --> 00:15:39.303 I've been to Jamaica and 00:15:39.323 --> 00:15:40.504 I've been to Canada. 00:15:40.624 --> 00:15:41.625 And when I say Canada, 00:15:41.705 --> 00:15:43.405 I've been to Beaver Creek, Yukon, 00:15:44.106 --> 00:15:46.447 Yukon territory, not just like Toronto. 00:15:46.508 --> 00:15:48.028 Like I truly have been in Canada, 00:15:48.489 --> 00:15:49.049 but that's it. 00:15:49.509 --> 00:15:51.211 Like that's my international traveling. 00:15:51.250 --> 00:15:51.471 Right. 00:15:51.530 --> 00:15:53.493 So I'm super happy to have 00:15:53.873 --> 00:15:55.193 Amy advice for us. 00:15:55.254 --> 00:15:55.433 Like, 00:15:56.332 --> 00:15:57.094 You know, 00:15:57.114 --> 00:15:58.914 we don't do anything stupid and you know, 00:15:59.034 --> 00:15:59.615 or what. 00:16:00.696 --> 00:16:02.136 I'm happy to be your guide. 00:16:02.157 --> 00:16:04.058 I, uh, yeah, I'm excited. 00:16:04.099 --> 00:16:05.019 I love traveling 00:16:05.038 --> 00:16:06.460 internationally and here we go again. 00:16:06.500 --> 00:16:07.341 I just got back from an 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:08.361 international trip and I'm, 00:16:08.961 --> 00:16:09.741 I actually just left the 00:16:09.761 --> 00:16:10.783 suitcase open and pulled 00:16:10.822 --> 00:16:11.724 out the essentials cause 00:16:11.764 --> 00:16:13.184 I'm packing it back up again in a week. 00:16:15.105 --> 00:16:16.586 But it'll be great. 00:16:16.626 --> 00:16:17.868 And I went to the iPhone 00:16:17.888 --> 00:16:18.948 conference in Glasgow, 00:16:19.009 --> 00:16:21.190 which was... Were you there, Derek? 00:16:21.951 --> 00:16:23.032 No, but I was looking at that. 00:16:23.052 --> 00:16:24.572 Wasn't that like seven years ago, 00:16:24.592 --> 00:16:25.413 eight years ago now? 00:16:25.432 --> 00:16:27.654 Because we had a COVID break. 00:16:27.955 --> 00:16:29.096 I can't remember the exact year, 00:16:29.115 --> 00:16:31.076 but it was really interesting. 00:16:31.116 --> 00:16:32.937 I think one of the things I enjoy about it, 00:16:32.957 --> 00:16:33.859 and hopefully we can bring 00:16:33.899 --> 00:16:34.940 some of this back to... 00:16:35.620 --> 00:16:37.081 the podcast is just learning 00:16:37.140 --> 00:16:38.923 about what's happening in other countries, 00:16:39.043 --> 00:16:40.904 what's current, what's contemporary. 00:16:40.924 --> 00:16:42.846 And also what I think is 00:16:42.885 --> 00:16:44.126 important is learning how 00:16:44.268 --> 00:16:45.828 to kind of cater to 00:16:45.889 --> 00:16:47.429 different populations of people. 00:16:47.529 --> 00:16:48.730 So we'll be privy to 00:16:48.770 --> 00:16:50.832 presentations from people 00:16:50.893 --> 00:16:52.414 representing countries all 00:16:52.434 --> 00:16:53.075 over the world. 00:16:53.134 --> 00:16:54.015 And it's just really 00:16:54.056 --> 00:16:56.337 fascinating to hear how 00:16:56.518 --> 00:16:58.820 manual therapy is slightly 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:01.162 different or it's modified 00:17:01.822 --> 00:17:03.083 and what ideas come from 00:17:03.812 --> 00:17:04.752 not just researchers, 00:17:04.813 --> 00:17:06.315 but clinicians in other countries. 00:17:06.375 --> 00:17:07.455 And so I'm excited to bring 00:17:07.516 --> 00:17:08.257 some of that back. 00:17:08.317 --> 00:17:08.817 And, you know, 00:17:08.857 --> 00:17:10.400 maybe there's some speakers that we're, 00:17:11.701 --> 00:17:11.921 you know, 00:17:11.961 --> 00:17:14.044 lucky enough to hear at iPhone 00:17:14.064 --> 00:17:14.964 so that we can think about 00:17:14.984 --> 00:17:16.145 bringing to the podcast. 00:17:16.246 --> 00:17:17.268 So I think we're also there 00:17:17.327 --> 00:17:17.948 on a little bit of a 00:17:17.988 --> 00:17:19.630 fact-finding mission to 00:17:19.650 --> 00:17:20.510 bring some really cool 00:17:20.530 --> 00:17:21.491 information back to our 00:17:21.792 --> 00:17:23.193 membership and our listeners. 00:17:23.213 --> 00:17:24.296 So I'm excited about that too. 00:17:25.068 --> 00:17:26.369 So it's not just backfinding. 00:17:26.589 --> 00:17:28.371 I can speak specifically, 00:17:28.451 --> 00:17:30.011 we are getting mics and 00:17:30.311 --> 00:17:31.373 Derek and I have to figure 00:17:31.413 --> 00:17:32.673 out how to use these mics 00:17:33.012 --> 00:17:33.874 and we are going to go 00:17:33.953 --> 00:17:36.115 navigate wherever we are to 00:17:36.275 --> 00:17:37.576 go and have live 00:17:37.635 --> 00:17:39.717 conversations and bring it back. 00:17:39.797 --> 00:17:41.978 So like, well, we're going all in on this. 00:17:42.018 --> 00:17:43.699 Yeah, we're all in. 00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:45.180 I hope I don't get in the 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:46.840 security lines and customs 00:17:46.901 --> 00:17:48.201 and they think that I'm some spy. 00:17:48.740 --> 00:17:51.204 Um, if you don't see me ever again, 00:17:51.464 --> 00:17:52.768 somebody thought I was a spy. 00:17:52.827 --> 00:17:54.089 And so obviously with my 00:17:54.130 --> 00:17:55.894 mics or whatever else is be in my bag, 00:17:55.993 --> 00:17:56.875 but Amy, 00:17:57.284 --> 00:17:58.304 We're not on a fact-finding. 00:17:58.324 --> 00:17:59.525 We're going to find him and 00:17:59.565 --> 00:18:01.164 we're going to interview him. 00:18:01.244 --> 00:18:03.346 Real live time. 00:18:03.506 --> 00:18:04.766 It's an implementation prep. 00:18:05.306 --> 00:18:05.826 That's right. 00:18:06.165 --> 00:18:08.067 They are little creepy mics. 00:18:08.126 --> 00:18:09.346 I think they're little fuzzy 00:18:09.426 --> 00:18:10.288 feathered mics that we're 00:18:10.307 --> 00:18:11.367 supposed to wear on our 00:18:11.928 --> 00:18:13.808 shirts and I think talk to 00:18:14.108 --> 00:18:16.288 people and get information. 00:18:16.348 --> 00:18:17.630 I kind of think I'm a spy. 00:18:17.650 --> 00:18:18.710 You look like a spy. 00:18:19.089 --> 00:18:21.530 So Derek, what... 00:18:24.723 --> 00:18:26.423 What are some of the, Derek and Megan, 00:18:26.443 --> 00:18:29.125 what are some of the ideas 00:18:29.164 --> 00:18:29.964 that we want to share with 00:18:30.025 --> 00:18:30.904 listeners about some of the 00:18:30.944 --> 00:18:31.925 speakers that we might be 00:18:31.945 --> 00:18:33.306 bringing forward in the 00:18:33.365 --> 00:18:36.006 next part of 2024? 00:18:36.006 --> 00:18:39.886 Do we want to talk about any 00:18:39.946 --> 00:18:41.188 categories of things we're 00:18:41.208 --> 00:18:42.228 going to be talking about? 00:18:42.288 --> 00:18:43.708 Or maybe what are some of 00:18:43.768 --> 00:18:45.969 our goals in terms of 00:18:46.028 --> 00:18:47.429 engaging with different speakers? 00:18:47.489 --> 00:18:48.229 I know we talked a little 00:18:48.249 --> 00:18:49.088 bit about that already, 00:18:49.148 --> 00:18:50.250 but what do we want to 00:18:50.309 --> 00:18:51.490 share with people without 00:18:53.101 --> 00:18:54.342 know totally spoiling 00:18:54.721 --> 00:18:56.343 spoiling it well I'll give 00:18:56.483 --> 00:18:57.763 big categories kind of like 00:18:57.804 --> 00:18:59.226 the big overarching thing 00:18:59.246 --> 00:19:00.707 so like in our in our 00:19:00.727 --> 00:19:01.906 strategic plan right we 00:19:01.946 --> 00:19:03.347 have key enablers that kind 00:19:03.388 --> 00:19:04.328 of make everything work 00:19:04.368 --> 00:19:05.829 that we do um and when we 00:19:05.849 --> 00:19:06.570 think about that it's 00:19:06.651 --> 00:19:08.451 leadership it's education 00:19:08.551 --> 00:19:09.732 and it's advocacy and I 00:19:09.752 --> 00:19:11.193 would almost suggest you 00:19:11.233 --> 00:19:12.555 know the research piece in 00:19:12.595 --> 00:19:14.195 that kind of transcends it 00:19:14.215 --> 00:19:15.096 kind of goes across 00:19:15.156 --> 00:19:16.137 multiple like it could be 00:19:16.157 --> 00:19:17.378 an educational piece right 00:19:17.419 --> 00:19:18.159 just how the clinical 00:19:18.199 --> 00:19:19.259 pearls and those kind of things 00:19:20.130 --> 00:19:20.651 But really, 00:19:20.691 --> 00:19:22.731 those are the three big overarching aims. 00:19:22.771 --> 00:19:23.152 Like, right, 00:19:23.451 --> 00:19:24.673 we're trying to lead and grow 00:19:24.732 --> 00:19:26.614 as an organization and be 00:19:26.634 --> 00:19:27.634 the front leader. 00:19:27.653 --> 00:19:28.934 In order to do that, 00:19:28.954 --> 00:19:29.855 we have to have enriched 00:19:29.914 --> 00:19:31.076 membership that just really 00:19:31.115 --> 00:19:31.935 feel connected. 00:19:32.036 --> 00:19:33.136 And with these speakers, 00:19:33.196 --> 00:19:34.357 we feel that that will happen. 00:19:35.077 --> 00:19:36.818 You know, from an other perspective, 00:19:36.838 --> 00:19:38.160 which is the education side, I mean, 00:19:38.180 --> 00:19:40.020 I think we have great topics, right? 00:19:40.560 --> 00:19:42.521 Pertinent topics about manual therapy, 00:19:42.622 --> 00:19:44.603 integrating manual therapy across, 00:19:44.623 --> 00:19:46.344 you know, multiple populations, 00:19:46.403 --> 00:19:48.265 whether I even saw some of the lists like 00:19:48.645 --> 00:19:49.165 We were thinking about, 00:19:49.306 --> 00:19:50.907 do we bring some pelvic health in here? 00:19:50.988 --> 00:19:51.847 Women's health, right? 00:19:51.887 --> 00:19:53.489 So some of those pieces and 00:19:53.509 --> 00:19:55.730 topics would have a really nice platform, 00:19:55.770 --> 00:19:57.491 which is just contemporary practice. 00:19:57.932 --> 00:19:59.373 And then the last is advocacy. 00:19:59.393 --> 00:20:00.614 And I have to say guys, 00:20:01.055 --> 00:20:02.095 the more I'm at the main 00:20:02.335 --> 00:20:03.756 level of leadership and 00:20:03.855 --> 00:20:05.277 interfacing both nationally 00:20:05.317 --> 00:20:06.198 and internationally, 00:20:06.798 --> 00:20:08.219 we have to be an advocate 00:20:08.259 --> 00:20:09.299 for the science and the 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:10.621 practice of manual therapy. 00:20:10.861 --> 00:20:11.382 We have to, 00:20:11.981 --> 00:20:13.363 and this is the platform that 00:20:13.383 --> 00:20:14.644 it has to be at because 00:20:15.156 --> 00:20:17.578 not just on our conference, which is these, 00:20:17.699 --> 00:20:17.959 you know, 00:20:17.999 --> 00:20:19.240 days together and we feel so 00:20:19.259 --> 00:20:19.901 good because we're all 00:20:19.921 --> 00:20:21.040 together and it's a little 00:20:21.060 --> 00:20:22.362 bit kumbaya to be honest, right? 00:20:22.422 --> 00:20:23.103 It's our family, 00:20:23.663 --> 00:20:25.223 but it's when we leave each other, 00:20:25.325 --> 00:20:26.464 how do we keep the synergy 00:20:26.505 --> 00:20:27.286 and how do we keep 00:20:27.326 --> 00:20:28.527 advancing the profession? 00:20:28.547 --> 00:20:30.488 And, you know, Twitter's got a place, 00:20:30.929 --> 00:20:31.909 all the other social media 00:20:31.929 --> 00:20:32.730 things have a place, 00:20:33.089 --> 00:20:33.990 but how do we stay 00:20:34.050 --> 00:20:34.912 connected where we can 00:20:34.951 --> 00:20:36.653 follow thought leaders more 00:20:36.692 --> 00:20:38.153 than in a snippet that can 00:20:38.173 --> 00:20:39.555 be misinterpreted, right? 00:20:39.734 --> 00:20:40.776 I mean, more than something, 00:20:41.242 --> 00:20:42.844 This is a great forum for that. 00:20:42.884 --> 00:20:43.904 So we've aligned some of 00:20:43.924 --> 00:20:45.866 those speakers on those categories. 00:20:46.047 --> 00:20:47.387 And so I'm excited about that. 00:20:48.088 --> 00:20:48.548 I love that. 00:20:49.450 --> 00:20:49.871 Yeah. 00:20:49.891 --> 00:20:51.172 And to jump in there, 00:20:51.731 --> 00:20:52.752 I'm also excited that, 00:20:52.772 --> 00:20:54.094 I don't know if we've mentioned this, 00:20:54.153 --> 00:20:57.837 but a lot of this, Megan, Amy, and I, 00:20:57.877 --> 00:20:59.719 at least I'll speak for me, 00:20:59.739 --> 00:21:01.701 I don't know a whole lot 00:21:01.721 --> 00:21:02.862 about podcasting. 00:21:03.462 --> 00:21:04.442 We launched the hands-on, 00:21:04.482 --> 00:21:05.503 hands-off podcast, 00:21:05.523 --> 00:21:06.144 and I think we've done an 00:21:06.365 --> 00:21:07.205 okay job with that. 00:21:07.913 --> 00:21:09.615 But we have brought in Jimmy 00:21:09.655 --> 00:21:12.499 McKay and his team to help us with this. 00:21:12.578 --> 00:21:13.819 And I think that that is 00:21:13.900 --> 00:21:15.582 what I am most excited 00:21:15.902 --> 00:21:17.683 about because I think he's 00:21:17.743 --> 00:21:19.766 going to really supercharge 00:21:19.806 --> 00:21:21.326 what we're going to do and 00:21:21.468 --> 00:21:23.650 really help us bring something that's, 00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:25.791 you know, a little bit more 00:21:26.511 --> 00:21:27.792 more exciting, a little bit different. 00:21:27.833 --> 00:21:28.773 And actually before we even 00:21:28.794 --> 00:21:30.494 got on and started recording this show, 00:21:30.515 --> 00:21:31.295 we were having all kinds of 00:21:31.316 --> 00:21:32.135 fun playing around with the 00:21:32.175 --> 00:21:33.576 stream yard thing that 00:21:33.616 --> 00:21:34.257 we're working with. 00:21:34.678 --> 00:21:37.038 And I think that's all part 00:21:37.078 --> 00:21:40.300 of the fun of us learning 00:21:40.382 --> 00:21:42.103 how to better engage and 00:21:42.143 --> 00:21:43.763 interact with some of these 00:21:43.864 --> 00:21:45.265 people that we're going to be bringing on, 00:21:45.305 --> 00:21:46.625 because I'm sure that we've 00:21:46.685 --> 00:21:47.987 all heard podcasts. 00:21:48.007 --> 00:21:48.886 It doesn't matter how great 00:21:48.906 --> 00:21:49.807 the guests can be. 00:21:50.390 --> 00:21:51.289 if we're not doing a good 00:21:51.329 --> 00:21:53.290 job of engaging that individual, 00:21:53.351 --> 00:21:54.790 then it may not be 00:21:54.830 --> 00:21:55.990 pertinent to the listener. 00:21:56.050 --> 00:21:56.971 So I think that's going to 00:21:56.991 --> 00:21:58.132 be a fun and exciting thing. 00:21:58.172 --> 00:21:58.971 And just, you know, 00:21:59.051 --> 00:22:00.113 your question about like 00:22:00.153 --> 00:22:01.673 what kinds of topics and 00:22:01.732 --> 00:22:02.613 things that we're going to 00:22:02.653 --> 00:22:03.373 be bringing in. 00:22:03.393 --> 00:22:03.593 I mean, 00:22:03.873 --> 00:22:05.114 I'm just looking down some of the 00:22:05.693 --> 00:22:06.693 lineups here, you know, 00:22:06.753 --> 00:22:09.275 just talking about everything from, 00:22:10.075 --> 00:22:12.395 you know, careers in manual therapy. 00:22:13.757 --> 00:22:14.696 To Megan's point, 00:22:14.717 --> 00:22:15.758 some of the more 00:22:15.877 --> 00:22:17.558 interesting things where 00:22:17.618 --> 00:22:19.038 manual therapy can be put 00:22:19.199 --> 00:22:20.420 into manual therapy and 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:22.221 sports manual therapy and pediatrics, 00:22:22.881 --> 00:22:25.221 other sorts of approaches, and then, 00:22:25.241 --> 00:22:26.002 you know, 00:22:26.042 --> 00:22:27.884 myth busting and all kinds of 00:22:27.923 --> 00:22:29.084 fun things that I think 00:22:29.124 --> 00:22:29.884 we'll be able to do. 00:22:29.944 --> 00:22:32.685 And, you know, from there, you know, 00:22:33.385 --> 00:22:35.207 selecting the right guest for that. 00:22:35.267 --> 00:22:36.426 But then I also think too, 00:22:36.446 --> 00:22:38.647 we'll also have guests who 00:22:39.028 --> 00:22:42.368 will probably let us evolve 00:22:42.388 --> 00:22:43.328 a little bit of what we're 00:22:43.348 --> 00:22:44.788 talking about in addition to that. 00:22:44.828 --> 00:22:45.430 That's one of the things 00:22:45.450 --> 00:22:47.490 that we did at the Centers 00:22:47.509 --> 00:22:48.309 for Excellence in Manual 00:22:48.329 --> 00:22:49.171 Manipulative Therapy. 00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:50.330 And I don't think it worked 00:22:50.371 --> 00:22:51.510 as well as it's going to, 00:22:51.550 --> 00:22:52.230 because I think we're going 00:22:52.250 --> 00:22:54.152 to get some good advice on from Jimmy, 00:22:54.172 --> 00:22:55.372 but having some themes, 00:22:55.412 --> 00:22:57.133 but obviously we need to have, you know, 00:22:57.153 --> 00:22:57.492 some big 00:22:57.972 --> 00:22:58.814 some big stars we're gonna 00:22:58.834 --> 00:22:59.874 have a lot of heavy hitters 00:22:59.934 --> 00:23:01.055 I think you know with the 00:23:01.576 --> 00:23:03.057 international opportunities 00:23:03.136 --> 00:23:03.896 and all of the 00:23:03.936 --> 00:23:04.738 international people that 00:23:04.917 --> 00:23:06.598 Amy will interview at 2 a.m 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:08.160 we'll have some really good 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:09.641 some really good guests as 00:23:09.740 --> 00:23:13.064 well and I love the 00:23:13.124 --> 00:23:14.164 platform with that because 00:23:14.204 --> 00:23:15.285 if you know Jimmy which 00:23:15.444 --> 00:23:16.465 right he's got that just 00:23:16.486 --> 00:23:17.826 that personality and that 00:23:18.326 --> 00:23:19.248 kind of get to know you 00:23:19.288 --> 00:23:20.749 person type and I love that 00:23:20.788 --> 00:23:21.690 about him and I think 00:23:21.710 --> 00:23:22.691 that's really nice about 00:23:22.730 --> 00:23:24.432 this platform too is that 00:23:24.451 --> 00:23:25.311 we can get to know each 00:23:25.372 --> 00:23:25.952 other a little bit 00:23:25.992 --> 00:23:27.513 differently just you know what 00:23:28.031 --> 00:23:29.653 what about them makes them a 00:23:29.673 --> 00:23:30.752 little more unique, right? 00:23:30.813 --> 00:23:32.034 Rather than just, oh, 00:23:32.074 --> 00:23:32.834 they're a researcher. 00:23:32.993 --> 00:23:33.614 Oh, they do that. 00:23:33.713 --> 00:23:35.015 Or, oh, I'm my bio, right? 00:23:35.075 --> 00:23:35.434 Like that's, 00:23:35.795 --> 00:23:37.155 I'm so much bigger than that 00:23:37.195 --> 00:23:37.955 and different than that. 00:23:37.996 --> 00:23:38.817 That's not even half the 00:23:38.876 --> 00:23:40.277 things that I want to talk about, right? 00:23:40.696 --> 00:23:42.478 But it is who it makes, 00:23:42.817 --> 00:23:44.118 it makes part of you, right? 00:23:44.219 --> 00:23:45.199 And so I'm looking forward 00:23:45.219 --> 00:23:46.660 to getting to know a little bit more 00:23:47.336 --> 00:23:48.056 about the people that we're 00:23:48.076 --> 00:23:49.896 going to speak to and, and, um, 00:23:50.336 --> 00:23:52.377 listening about their experiences, right. 00:23:52.438 --> 00:23:52.577 And, 00:23:52.718 --> 00:23:55.137 and what learned lessons our audience 00:23:55.178 --> 00:23:55.919 can learn from them, 00:23:56.019 --> 00:23:57.679 because like I learned so 00:23:57.739 --> 00:24:00.259 much by learning from others and honestly, 00:24:00.299 --> 00:24:01.160 the things that they wish 00:24:01.180 --> 00:24:02.119 they wouldn't have done or 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:02.921 the things that they think 00:24:02.941 --> 00:24:03.800 they should have done better. 00:24:03.820 --> 00:24:05.161 Um, and that's a, 00:24:05.340 --> 00:24:06.221 it's a great space for us 00:24:06.241 --> 00:24:07.281 to engage in that too. 00:24:07.882 --> 00:24:09.402 I think they're kind of like the, you know, 00:24:09.442 --> 00:24:10.863 you brought this to conference. 00:24:11.758 --> 00:24:12.817 the PTI talks, 00:24:13.798 --> 00:24:15.799 I always loved those just 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.121 because they allow people 00:24:18.221 --> 00:24:21.461 to get into somebody's life 00:24:21.701 --> 00:24:22.882 a little bit differently 00:24:22.981 --> 00:24:25.063 than just here's the 00:24:25.242 --> 00:24:26.644 research path that we took. 00:24:26.663 --> 00:24:27.443 And then it seems almost 00:24:27.544 --> 00:24:29.464 untouchable to a lot of folks. 00:24:29.545 --> 00:24:30.785 I think when people see that 00:24:32.445 --> 00:24:34.267 their journeys involve a lot of other 00:24:35.086 --> 00:24:36.988 very important parts of their lives, 00:24:37.008 --> 00:24:38.368 their families, their hobbies, 00:24:38.449 --> 00:24:39.069 and things like that. 00:24:39.089 --> 00:24:40.170 I think that that also makes 00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:41.770 it really fun and interesting. 00:24:41.790 --> 00:24:42.551 At least I think so. 00:24:43.251 --> 00:24:43.471 Yeah. 00:24:43.491 --> 00:24:43.652 Great. 00:24:44.573 --> 00:24:44.952 Hey, Derek, 00:24:44.972 --> 00:24:46.634 do you want to tell people a 00:24:46.653 --> 00:24:49.276 little bit about the hands-off, hands-on? 00:24:49.496 --> 00:24:51.156 Are we hands-on, hands-off, or hands-off, 00:24:51.176 --> 00:24:51.457 hands-off? 00:24:51.477 --> 00:24:52.778 Hands-on, hands-off. 00:24:52.798 --> 00:24:53.538 Hands-on first. 00:24:54.078 --> 00:24:54.679 There's a reason. 00:24:54.699 --> 00:24:55.799 Hands-on first, right. 00:24:56.140 --> 00:24:57.119 And then pull away. 00:24:57.161 --> 00:24:57.800 Yeah, all right. 00:24:57.861 --> 00:24:58.721 That makes sense. 00:24:59.041 --> 00:24:59.402 We're good. 00:25:00.082 --> 00:25:00.182 No, 00:25:00.201 --> 00:25:01.182 but I think it would be good to tell 00:25:01.222 --> 00:25:02.083 people a little bit about 00:25:03.744 --> 00:25:04.305 what's in a name. 00:25:05.458 --> 00:25:06.499 Yeah, no, that's a good. 00:25:07.019 --> 00:25:07.679 Well, gosh, 00:25:07.719 --> 00:25:09.880 we were going around and around 00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:11.520 and around about a name, weren't we? 00:25:11.540 --> 00:25:14.663 And I think when we when we 00:25:14.682 --> 00:25:15.763 had the hands on hands off 00:25:15.824 --> 00:25:16.844 podcast and when we were 00:25:16.864 --> 00:25:17.585 starting to talk about our 00:25:17.625 --> 00:25:19.465 name or talk about the strategic plan, 00:25:19.506 --> 00:25:20.205 I'm like, wait a minute, 00:25:20.766 --> 00:25:22.067 we're going to be saying the same thing. 00:25:22.086 --> 00:25:23.008 We're trying to do the same 00:25:23.087 --> 00:25:24.769 thing and we're speaking in parallel. 00:25:25.249 --> 00:25:26.169 So why don't we just put all 00:25:26.189 --> 00:25:27.210 of the energy into one thing? 00:25:28.563 --> 00:25:30.105 And so Hands on Hands Off 00:25:30.164 --> 00:25:31.987 podcast really was 00:25:32.446 --> 00:25:33.548 identified as a good name 00:25:33.587 --> 00:25:36.411 within the CMET because I 00:25:37.633 --> 00:25:38.973 think there's a lot of 00:25:39.714 --> 00:25:41.856 misinformation about manual therapy. 00:25:41.896 --> 00:25:43.358 And it drives me crazy 00:25:43.398 --> 00:25:44.279 sometimes when you see 00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:45.902 things about the misinformation. 00:25:45.922 --> 00:25:47.624 And it's a type of manual 00:25:47.644 --> 00:25:48.304 therapy that we would all 00:25:48.344 --> 00:25:49.885 probably agree maybe is wrong. 00:25:50.259 --> 00:25:51.920 is not necessarily the most appropriate. 00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:53.820 And so hands-on means that 00:25:53.861 --> 00:25:56.622 there is time that yes, 00:25:56.801 --> 00:25:58.182 that it is necessary to put 00:25:58.242 --> 00:25:59.804 our hands on patients. 00:26:00.163 --> 00:26:00.304 Um, 00:26:00.943 --> 00:26:03.505 but then there's also this component of 00:26:03.565 --> 00:26:05.425 manual therapy that, you know, 00:26:05.746 --> 00:26:07.727 we also don't need to put 00:26:07.767 --> 00:26:10.067 our hands on the patient to be effective. 00:26:10.128 --> 00:26:11.689 And, and I think that's one of the things, 00:26:12.048 --> 00:26:13.029 at least in my fellowship, 00:26:13.049 --> 00:26:13.910 when I talked through, 00:26:13.930 --> 00:26:15.230 talked to a lot of people 00:26:15.250 --> 00:26:16.310 who have gone through 00:26:16.511 --> 00:26:17.311 fellowship training, 00:26:17.991 --> 00:26:18.972 is that one of the things 00:26:19.012 --> 00:26:19.814 that they learn through 00:26:19.874 --> 00:26:20.934 fellowship training is more 00:26:20.974 --> 00:26:23.097 about when to put your 00:26:23.137 --> 00:26:25.240 hands on and when to take your hands off, 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:25.619 right? 00:26:25.700 --> 00:26:26.862 And more often than not, 00:26:26.882 --> 00:26:28.482 you are taking your hands off, 00:26:29.163 --> 00:26:30.345 but you're still using and 00:26:30.365 --> 00:26:31.807 you're still effective with it. 00:26:31.866 --> 00:26:33.368 And so that's, I think, 00:26:33.489 --> 00:26:35.150 the idea behind the name is 00:26:35.211 --> 00:26:37.873 that manual therapists will 00:26:38.054 --> 00:26:40.056 put their hands on patients, but 00:26:40.516 --> 00:26:42.376 they will also spend a lot of their time. 00:26:42.436 --> 00:26:42.737 In fact, 00:26:42.777 --> 00:26:43.938 probably the majority of their 00:26:43.958 --> 00:26:45.759 time with their hands off of the patients, 00:26:45.838 --> 00:26:46.058 right. 00:26:46.098 --> 00:26:47.420 Doing all kinds of other things. 00:26:47.980 --> 00:26:49.760 And a part of that reasoning 00:26:50.060 --> 00:26:51.761 of going into when you put your hands on, 00:26:52.061 --> 00:26:52.922 when you take your hands 00:26:53.061 --> 00:26:54.803 off is part of the journey 00:26:54.843 --> 00:26:55.604 that we have all, um, 00:26:56.384 --> 00:26:57.865 evolved in and have grown 00:26:58.026 --> 00:26:58.906 through through our 00:26:59.386 --> 00:27:01.368 respective um programs and 00:27:01.388 --> 00:27:01.949 I think that that's 00:27:01.969 --> 00:27:02.750 something that we would all 00:27:02.990 --> 00:27:03.730 agree on so I think that 00:27:03.770 --> 00:27:04.971 that hands-on hands-off 00:27:05.511 --> 00:27:06.992 podcast name was very 00:27:07.053 --> 00:27:08.173 intentional because we 00:27:08.213 --> 00:27:09.134 wanted to make sure that 00:27:09.414 --> 00:27:10.315 there was times where we 00:27:10.355 --> 00:27:11.336 said yes it's appropriate 00:27:11.355 --> 00:27:12.116 for hands-on and then 00:27:12.136 --> 00:27:13.337 there's also times when 00:27:13.377 --> 00:27:14.057 it's appropriate that it 00:27:14.137 --> 00:27:16.539 may not be for yeah and I 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:17.621 like that I think some of 00:27:17.641 --> 00:27:18.781 the misinformation out 00:27:18.842 --> 00:27:20.423 there is that we only do one thing 00:27:21.073 --> 00:27:22.634 know or that we we condone 00:27:22.673 --> 00:27:23.734 just just this one 00:27:23.795 --> 00:27:24.796 intervention which couldn't 00:27:24.816 --> 00:27:25.777 be further from the truth 00:27:25.817 --> 00:27:27.518 so I i love hearing you 00:27:27.557 --> 00:27:28.558 unpack that a little bit 00:27:28.638 --> 00:27:30.440 because I think you know 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:31.641 we're also trying to um 00:27:32.801 --> 00:27:34.182 just improve our our 00:27:34.242 --> 00:27:35.223 branding or people's 00:27:35.284 --> 00:27:36.325 perception of what it is 00:27:36.345 --> 00:27:37.266 that we actually do and a 00:27:37.326 --> 00:27:38.586 huge component of that is 00:27:39.186 --> 00:27:40.248 therapeutic alliance and 00:27:40.268 --> 00:27:41.068 shared decision making 00:27:41.128 --> 00:27:42.170 motivational interviewing 00:27:42.190 --> 00:27:43.990 um you know all those other 00:27:44.050 --> 00:27:45.231 things that really are a 00:27:45.291 --> 00:27:46.393 hands-off component so 00:27:46.492 --> 00:27:47.493 thanks for giving us a 00:27:47.534 --> 00:27:48.914 little bit more of an explanation of that 00:27:49.748 --> 00:27:50.650 And I think that we've put 00:27:50.690 --> 00:27:52.133 that in those lineups too, right? 00:27:52.292 --> 00:27:53.335 How does that work in the 00:27:53.836 --> 00:27:55.358 building those relationships and, 00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:56.761 and person-centered care or 00:27:56.781 --> 00:27:57.542 patient-centered care? 00:27:57.563 --> 00:27:57.743 I mean, 00:27:58.246 --> 00:27:59.227 All of those components 00:27:59.287 --> 00:28:00.307 center around the patient. 00:28:00.347 --> 00:28:01.328 I mean, so, 00:28:01.608 --> 00:28:03.430 and sometimes patient preferences, right? 00:28:03.529 --> 00:28:03.851 I mean, 00:28:03.951 --> 00:28:05.251 if they think that that's something 00:28:05.271 --> 00:28:05.912 that's going to get them 00:28:05.932 --> 00:28:07.252 better and that's what 00:28:07.272 --> 00:28:07.993 they're looking for, 00:28:08.074 --> 00:28:10.155 then that's a great place to start. 00:28:10.336 --> 00:28:11.636 But then obviously usually 00:28:11.656 --> 00:28:12.597 reasoning and moving on. 00:28:12.617 --> 00:28:14.598 And I think the lineup helps 00:28:14.679 --> 00:28:15.579 us really kind of just 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:17.942 convey the flexibility of a 00:28:17.981 --> 00:28:19.502 manual therapist who's gone through, 00:28:19.542 --> 00:28:20.723 especially for fellowship training. 00:28:20.743 --> 00:28:21.545 But it's not to say that 00:28:21.585 --> 00:28:22.925 fellowship training is the only thing. 00:28:23.586 --> 00:28:25.507 I just think it's a style, right? 00:28:25.586 --> 00:28:26.508 It's the way that our 00:28:26.607 --> 00:28:28.587 organization feels that manual therapy, 00:28:28.627 --> 00:28:30.669 when done at the highest level, 00:28:31.489 --> 00:28:33.148 it really integrates all of 00:28:33.209 --> 00:28:34.710 the pyramid or all of the 00:28:35.130 --> 00:28:37.789 stools or all the legs of 00:28:37.809 --> 00:28:39.030 the stool in order to 00:28:39.090 --> 00:28:40.351 really integrate it for the 00:28:40.391 --> 00:28:41.550 best outcome for the patient. 00:28:41.651 --> 00:28:43.092 And I think that's really important. 00:28:46.471 --> 00:28:46.913 Well said. 00:28:49.486 --> 00:28:51.165 know really derek is is the 00:28:51.246 --> 00:28:52.287 one doing it I'm just 00:28:52.346 --> 00:28:53.527 summarizing and you already 00:28:53.606 --> 00:28:54.826 obviously hit it too so 00:28:55.166 --> 00:28:56.307 three this is why we should 00:28:56.326 --> 00:28:57.768 just do all three together 00:28:57.867 --> 00:28:59.107 so derek needs to be pulled 00:28:59.167 --> 00:29:00.347 into these international 00:29:00.708 --> 00:29:02.689 3am meetings as well but 00:29:02.709 --> 00:29:03.608 he's probably running a 00:29:03.669 --> 00:29:04.969 track somewhere chasing his 00:29:05.009 --> 00:29:06.628 stellar kit I mean that's 00:29:06.669 --> 00:29:07.630 probably what's really 00:29:07.670 --> 00:29:11.210 happening there so no no 00:29:11.230 --> 00:29:12.190 I'm getting too old for 00:29:12.230 --> 00:29:14.530 those 3am runs it's like that that 00:29:15.369 --> 00:29:17.030 the knee arthritis starts to 00:29:17.050 --> 00:29:18.592 kick in I gotta grease the 00:29:18.633 --> 00:29:19.712 skis a little before I get 00:29:19.752 --> 00:29:25.637 running so well tell me this 00:29:26.829 --> 00:29:28.230 What do we get to think 00:29:28.310 --> 00:29:30.952 about in what's coming up 00:29:30.992 --> 00:29:32.354 in Orlando that you're most 00:29:32.413 --> 00:29:34.276 excited about for our own conference, 00:29:34.316 --> 00:29:34.496 right? 00:29:34.895 --> 00:29:36.477 Like we're not that far away. 00:29:36.537 --> 00:29:38.097 And Derek, things are opening up soon, 00:29:38.157 --> 00:29:38.459 right? 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:40.480 Like, I mean, registration's starting up. 00:29:40.500 --> 00:29:41.019 I mean, 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:42.521 we should do a whole show just on that. 00:29:42.821 --> 00:29:43.942 But just give me a little snippet, 00:29:44.262 --> 00:29:44.942 little snippet. 00:29:45.304 --> 00:29:46.263 What do you think is like 00:29:46.284 --> 00:29:47.265 the most exciting or what 00:29:47.305 --> 00:29:48.165 are you most excited about? 00:29:48.856 --> 00:29:49.096 Well, 00:29:49.477 --> 00:29:52.739 obviously when this podcast gets released, 00:29:53.078 --> 00:29:53.618 it's open. 00:29:53.739 --> 00:29:54.578 Registration is open. 00:29:54.818 --> 00:29:55.138 It's actually, 00:29:55.159 --> 00:29:55.720 you can go on the website 00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:56.480 and you can register. 00:29:57.779 --> 00:30:00.421 So we are super excited. 00:30:00.541 --> 00:30:02.902 One, we're in a really cool location. 00:30:02.942 --> 00:30:04.143 We're in Orlando. 00:30:04.721 --> 00:30:06.261 We're a really nice facility. 00:30:06.281 --> 00:30:07.942 The facility is exactly the 00:30:07.982 --> 00:30:09.805 type of facility that we want to be in. 00:30:10.265 --> 00:30:11.826 What I think AAMP does really well. 00:30:11.885 --> 00:30:12.346 And in those, 00:30:12.445 --> 00:30:14.208 those kind of spaces where 00:30:14.428 --> 00:30:15.268 everybody is together, 00:30:15.528 --> 00:30:16.489 like we're all in the same 00:30:16.648 --> 00:30:17.349 house together. 00:30:17.390 --> 00:30:19.991 And this is, it's a really nice space. 00:30:20.491 --> 00:30:21.512 You know, if you get a chance, 00:30:22.173 --> 00:30:24.153 book your room, the rate is amazing, 00:30:24.174 --> 00:30:25.134 you know, that kind of thing. 00:30:25.194 --> 00:30:27.136 So, so, so take time to come down. 00:30:27.176 --> 00:30:28.416 I think one of the things 00:30:28.436 --> 00:30:29.837 that I love about conferencing, 00:30:29.877 --> 00:30:31.078 especially because we're just, you know, 00:30:31.138 --> 00:30:33.421 we were pulling out now of a pandemic. 00:30:33.932 --> 00:30:34.433 we're all getting an 00:30:34.473 --> 00:30:36.195 opportunity to come back together. 00:30:36.215 --> 00:30:37.837 And it just shows and it proves how 00:30:38.903 --> 00:30:40.423 essential and how important 00:30:40.463 --> 00:30:42.046 it is for us to be together 00:30:42.165 --> 00:30:44.007 and so having a space like 00:30:44.028 --> 00:30:44.728 we're going to have is 00:30:44.748 --> 00:30:45.969 going to be absolutely 00:30:45.989 --> 00:30:46.609 incredible I've looked at 00:30:46.750 --> 00:30:47.971 pictures of it it's it's 00:30:48.111 --> 00:30:50.593 it's it's top top flight 00:30:50.633 --> 00:30:51.554 and we actually just 00:30:51.594 --> 00:30:52.595 surveyed our membership and 00:30:52.634 --> 00:30:53.295 one of the things that we 00:30:53.315 --> 00:30:55.396 realized is that location 00:30:55.436 --> 00:30:56.837 matters um for our 00:30:56.898 --> 00:30:58.680 conference um the zip code 00:30:58.740 --> 00:30:59.601 actually does matter 00:31:00.101 --> 00:31:01.342 obviously the convenience 00:31:01.382 --> 00:31:02.423 of the airport and so I 00:31:02.442 --> 00:31:03.944 think this checks a lot of those boxes 00:31:04.655 --> 00:31:05.237 Beyond that, 00:31:05.297 --> 00:31:07.578 what we're super excited about is, 00:31:07.598 --> 00:31:08.398 and I think the thing that 00:31:08.439 --> 00:31:09.759 I was most nervous about 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:11.362 when I took over from the 00:31:11.602 --> 00:31:13.303 previous conference chair 00:31:13.564 --> 00:31:16.226 who set the bar incredibly high, 00:31:16.246 --> 00:31:17.326 I'm just hoping I don't 00:31:17.366 --> 00:31:18.448 knock it off too hard, 00:31:19.729 --> 00:31:23.791 is obviously the level of 00:31:23.892 --> 00:31:25.012 keynote presenters. 00:31:25.951 --> 00:31:30.372 And this year was, and then Megan, 00:31:30.412 --> 00:31:31.992 I'm pretty sure that you always felt this, 00:31:32.012 --> 00:31:32.613 where you started to get a 00:31:32.653 --> 00:31:33.472 little stressed out, like, 00:31:33.532 --> 00:31:34.813 am I going to get, am I going to get? 00:31:34.833 --> 00:31:37.394 But we ended up getting three really, 00:31:37.513 --> 00:31:39.854 really good, actually I should say four, 00:31:39.874 --> 00:31:42.535 but three keynote presenters. 00:31:42.555 --> 00:31:44.355 You know, Jeremy Lewis, 00:31:44.816 --> 00:31:46.115 if you work anything with the shoulder, 00:31:46.135 --> 00:31:47.316 you know who Jeremy Lewis is. 00:31:47.395 --> 00:31:47.615 I mean, 00:31:47.635 --> 00:31:49.336 he is going to be somebody I think that, 00:31:50.156 --> 00:31:50.876 and to be honest with you, 00:31:50.916 --> 00:31:52.738 we had him on our Hands On 00:31:52.798 --> 00:31:53.778 Hands Off podcast 00:31:54.622 --> 00:31:55.702 which is how I ended up 00:31:55.903 --> 00:31:57.202 connecting with him to get 00:31:57.242 --> 00:31:58.423 him to come to conference. 00:31:58.824 --> 00:31:59.944 Because after I interviewed 00:32:00.005 --> 00:32:01.605 him for the podcast, I was like, 00:32:02.086 --> 00:32:03.705 this guy has to come to conference. 00:32:04.106 --> 00:32:06.387 So inspiring, so motivating, 00:32:07.008 --> 00:32:10.609 such an incredible, I think a very, 00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:11.950 he will be a lot of fun. 00:32:12.190 --> 00:32:13.151 He's going to be a lot of fun. 00:32:13.171 --> 00:32:14.612 People are going to really enjoy that hour, 00:32:14.632 --> 00:32:16.571 hour and a half of his talk. 00:32:20.076 --> 00:32:20.678 Nathan Hutting, 00:32:20.897 --> 00:32:23.778 he's a friend of ours within AOMT. 00:32:23.817 --> 00:32:25.519 He has come to AOMT before. 00:32:26.358 --> 00:32:27.878 He's a huge supporter of what we do. 00:32:27.919 --> 00:32:28.759 He's a huge supporter of 00:32:28.838 --> 00:32:29.759 manual therapy on the 00:32:29.858 --> 00:32:31.880 international stage and 00:32:32.380 --> 00:32:34.440 specifically to neck pain management. 00:32:34.539 --> 00:32:37.240 And so I'm super thrilled 00:32:37.280 --> 00:32:38.921 that when we asked him if he would be, 00:32:38.941 --> 00:32:39.740 he was just like, 00:32:40.461 --> 00:32:41.622 I've been waiting for you to ask me. 00:32:41.721 --> 00:32:42.001 Wow. 00:32:43.083 --> 00:32:44.743 So happy to have him. 00:32:44.865 --> 00:32:46.486 And then Sarah Piva, 00:32:47.987 --> 00:32:48.807 obviously a very 00:32:49.067 --> 00:32:51.990 established researcher with UPMC, 00:32:53.463 --> 00:32:54.963 And she is interesting. 00:32:54.983 --> 00:32:55.785 She does a lot of work with 00:32:55.805 --> 00:32:57.464 knee and knee OA right now, 00:32:57.545 --> 00:33:00.026 but she's kind of previous to knee. 00:33:00.086 --> 00:33:01.006 She worked a lot with low 00:33:01.046 --> 00:33:01.865 back pain and now she's 00:33:01.905 --> 00:33:03.507 kind of moving back toward low back pain. 00:33:04.126 --> 00:33:06.007 But in our conversation, she was like, 00:33:06.166 --> 00:33:08.468 I was once a manual therapy fellow, 00:33:08.528 --> 00:33:09.508 but I let it lapse. 00:33:09.528 --> 00:33:10.588 And then we were like, no, wait, 00:33:11.249 --> 00:33:11.969 you don't have to worry 00:33:11.989 --> 00:33:13.608 about that because we don't 00:33:13.648 --> 00:33:14.490 have the 10 year rule. 00:33:14.549 --> 00:33:15.910 And so I think we're even 00:33:15.950 --> 00:33:18.290 able to bring her back in to the fold, 00:33:18.330 --> 00:33:19.411 but she comes with a 00:33:20.230 --> 00:33:23.094 a surprising background in manual therapy. 00:33:23.134 --> 00:33:24.194 I didn't realize that when I 00:33:24.255 --> 00:33:25.175 started to reach out to her 00:33:25.195 --> 00:33:25.797 and then we started to have 00:33:25.817 --> 00:33:26.457 some conversations. 00:33:26.517 --> 00:33:27.718 So it goes to show how like 00:33:28.558 --> 00:33:30.141 Aon can jumpstart so many 00:33:30.181 --> 00:33:31.061 people's careers into so 00:33:31.082 --> 00:33:31.961 many different directions. 00:33:32.423 --> 00:33:32.762 Yeah. 00:33:33.203 --> 00:33:34.625 She'll bring a lot into that. 00:33:34.664 --> 00:33:36.386 And then Roger Chow, I mean, 00:33:37.507 --> 00:33:39.728 This is going to be an incredible, um, 00:33:40.948 --> 00:33:43.509 you know, distinguished lecturer, uh, 00:33:43.828 --> 00:33:44.949 ask for a better lecture. 00:33:44.969 --> 00:33:45.630 He's going to be our first 00:33:45.690 --> 00:33:48.230 non physical therapist as a, uh, 00:33:48.430 --> 00:33:49.090 distinguished lecturer, 00:33:49.131 --> 00:33:51.230 but he is somebody who probably, 00:33:51.270 --> 00:33:52.632 if you look at the research line, 00:33:53.172 --> 00:33:53.932 a lot of the things that 00:33:53.971 --> 00:33:55.051 come back to conservative 00:33:55.071 --> 00:33:57.252 management for low back pain is, you know, 00:33:57.393 --> 00:34:00.513 probably one of, if not the most arguable, 00:34:01.134 --> 00:34:01.193 um, 00:34:02.230 --> 00:34:03.832 persons who's really sort of 00:34:03.951 --> 00:34:07.336 shown how we're not doing a 00:34:07.375 --> 00:34:08.858 great job of managing low 00:34:08.878 --> 00:34:09.659 back pain from a 00:34:11.974 --> 00:34:13.735 and medicine and health care 00:34:13.755 --> 00:34:16.096 and health care, a part of that solution. 00:34:16.115 --> 00:34:16.876 So I'm excited to hear what 00:34:16.916 --> 00:34:18.237 he brings into the table. 00:34:18.257 --> 00:34:18.976 I've actually had a chance 00:34:18.996 --> 00:34:21.217 to hear him once before speak, 00:34:21.757 --> 00:34:23.518 and it was it was 00:34:23.538 --> 00:34:25.637 definitely a one of those 00:34:25.858 --> 00:34:28.298 crowd appealing events. 00:34:28.378 --> 00:34:30.739 It was it was exciting and speaker. 00:34:30.838 --> 00:34:32.380 So I think those are the exciting things. 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.579 And then the last thing is, 00:34:33.619 --> 00:34:35.539 is we just finished reviewing the, 00:34:36.481 --> 00:34:37.380 you know, the proposals. 00:34:38.021 --> 00:34:39.501 And I was excited because 00:34:39.521 --> 00:34:41.184 the majority of these 00:34:41.224 --> 00:34:43.585 proposals are manual therapy. 00:34:43.726 --> 00:34:44.887 People love to present about 00:34:44.947 --> 00:34:45.688 manual therapy, 00:34:45.708 --> 00:34:46.789 and we're going to have a 00:34:46.849 --> 00:34:49.311 lot of really diverse 00:34:51.869 --> 00:34:54.070 types of presentations that 00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:57.454 will go along with our keynote presenters, 00:34:58.014 --> 00:35:01.077 everything from pelvic health, pediatrics, 00:35:01.358 --> 00:35:03.298 sports to the typical 00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:04.059 things that we would see 00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.802 with chronic pain management and so on. 00:35:06.822 --> 00:35:09.204 But the overall quality we 00:35:09.264 --> 00:35:10.706 actually we were saying on 00:35:10.746 --> 00:35:11.427 the other night when we 00:35:11.467 --> 00:35:12.568 were going through the 00:35:12.827 --> 00:35:14.389 conference proposals that 00:35:15.030 --> 00:35:16.170 this is hard because they 00:35:16.210 --> 00:35:17.371 were actually too good. 00:35:17.771 --> 00:35:18.512 So there was, 00:35:19.333 --> 00:35:20.634 there was not enough 00:35:20.813 --> 00:35:22.195 distinction in the scores. 00:35:22.275 --> 00:35:22.715 And so it was, 00:35:22.795 --> 00:35:23.396 it was a little bit of a 00:35:23.436 --> 00:35:25.177 challenge to get these to 00:35:25.217 --> 00:35:26.679 figure out what was going to be best, 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:26.998 which is a, 00:35:27.139 --> 00:35:28.179 which is a good challenge to have. 00:35:28.900 --> 00:35:29.121 Yeah. 00:35:29.141 --> 00:35:29.561 That's awesome. 00:35:30.161 --> 00:35:30.981 That is awesome. 00:35:31.021 --> 00:35:31.262 Great. 00:35:31.782 --> 00:35:33.344 And I love that we, you know, 00:35:33.384 --> 00:35:34.385 we're bringing in a keynote 00:35:34.405 --> 00:35:36.525 that's not a physical therapist. 00:35:36.585 --> 00:35:37.907 I think the outside 00:35:37.967 --> 00:35:38.987 perspective from other 00:35:39.027 --> 00:35:40.389 professionals is so different. 00:35:41.094 --> 00:35:42.295 important you know because 00:35:42.335 --> 00:35:44.036 they have a lens I think 00:35:44.076 --> 00:35:45.175 sometimes we don't know 00:35:45.215 --> 00:35:46.556 what we don't know because 00:35:46.615 --> 00:35:48.416 we talk to pts we engage 00:35:48.436 --> 00:35:50.217 with pts we you know we 00:35:50.257 --> 00:35:51.398 collaborate we do research 00:35:51.458 --> 00:35:53.157 and and I think it's really 00:35:53.217 --> 00:35:54.318 cool to have someone you 00:35:54.617 --> 00:35:56.199 know who's who's not a pt 00:35:56.259 --> 00:35:57.938 provide their perspective 00:35:57.978 --> 00:35:59.219 and their experiences I 00:35:59.259 --> 00:36:00.420 mean I'm really excited 00:36:00.460 --> 00:36:01.400 personally that he's coming 00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:02.619 I've been reading his work 00:36:03.260 --> 00:36:04.121 ever since I kind of 00:36:04.201 --> 00:36:05.661 entered academics and I 00:36:05.860 --> 00:36:09.262 quote his stuff all the time and so I'm 00:36:10.168 --> 00:36:11.289 I'm, you know, 00:36:11.309 --> 00:36:12.590 I kind of feel like I have a 00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:14.253 little bit of like, I'm starstruck. 00:36:14.873 --> 00:36:16.875 I was going to say, she's starstruck, 00:36:16.956 --> 00:36:17.396 Derek. 00:36:17.536 --> 00:36:20.079 All right, so Amy, don't worry. 00:36:20.179 --> 00:36:21.260 I'll reserve a seat in the 00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:22.440 front row for you. 00:36:22.521 --> 00:36:23.722 I'll leave one there for you. 00:36:23.742 --> 00:36:27.224 We're going to get her a shirt, Derek. 00:36:27.264 --> 00:36:28.567 We're going to get her a 00:36:28.646 --> 00:36:30.789 shirt and that he can sign it for her. 00:36:31.369 --> 00:36:32.590 Oh, we have to do something. 00:36:32.750 --> 00:36:34.030 Oh, guys. 00:36:35.530 --> 00:36:36.811 WWRCD. 00:36:36.871 --> 00:36:38.411 What would Robert Chow do? 00:36:39.273 --> 00:36:40.193 Oh, my gosh. 00:36:40.512 --> 00:36:41.092 You're giving all the 00:36:41.152 --> 00:36:42.313 listeners all these ideas 00:36:42.373 --> 00:36:42.994 now that they're going to 00:36:43.014 --> 00:36:44.514 have to tell us what we're going to do. 00:36:45.134 --> 00:36:46.554 Yeah, that could be a fun competition. 00:36:46.594 --> 00:36:47.554 Whose idea do we take? 00:36:47.713 --> 00:36:48.635 I'm just saying, Derek, 00:36:48.655 --> 00:36:49.795 we might have to explore 00:36:49.835 --> 00:36:50.414 this a little bit. 00:36:50.514 --> 00:36:51.454 I'm trying to figure out if 00:36:51.474 --> 00:36:53.155 we save Amy a seat in the 00:36:53.175 --> 00:36:54.396 front row or we actually 00:36:54.416 --> 00:36:55.456 don't have Amy in the front row. 00:36:55.476 --> 00:36:55.755 Oh, Derek, no. 00:36:55.775 --> 00:36:57.916 Like, you and I are in the front row. 00:36:57.976 --> 00:36:58.996 Amy's going to be, like, 00:36:59.056 --> 00:37:00.036 trying to nudge up there. 00:37:00.077 --> 00:37:00.956 We'll be like... Is that the 00:37:00.976 --> 00:37:02.177 risk of embarrassment that 00:37:02.197 --> 00:37:05.338 you're trying to put me in the 10th row? 00:37:05.617 --> 00:37:07.737 That's a real risk, just so you know. 00:37:08.257 --> 00:37:09.719 I'm excited Roger Chow's coming. 00:37:09.759 --> 00:37:10.559 I think it's going to be fantastic. 00:37:10.579 --> 00:37:11.278 It's going to be great. 00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:11.838 And... 00:37:12.422 --> 00:37:13.983 But all the other, you know, 00:37:14.043 --> 00:37:15.043 people that you mentioned 00:37:15.063 --> 00:37:15.864 that are in the lineup, 00:37:15.925 --> 00:37:17.025 I think it's going to be I 00:37:17.164 --> 00:37:17.885 think it's going to be great. 00:37:17.905 --> 00:37:20.407 Yeah, well, 00:37:20.507 --> 00:37:22.146 I just have to say kudos to you, Derek, 00:37:22.186 --> 00:37:23.427 for putting the lineup together. 00:37:23.588 --> 00:37:27.409 It is hard to put such top 00:37:27.469 --> 00:37:29.090 notch people year in, year out. 00:37:29.311 --> 00:37:30.471 And, you know, 00:37:30.510 --> 00:37:31.572 bringing that to the AM 00:37:31.612 --> 00:37:33.172 group is such a it's a privilege. 00:37:33.211 --> 00:37:33.371 Right. 00:37:33.713 --> 00:37:34.713 I always think it's such a 00:37:34.753 --> 00:37:35.652 privilege to have that 00:37:35.693 --> 00:37:36.893 opportunity to do that work. 00:37:37.474 --> 00:37:38.914 but it's also hard work. 00:37:38.974 --> 00:37:39.335 And Derek, 00:37:39.355 --> 00:37:40.215 you're really going out and 00:37:40.235 --> 00:37:41.036 getting those speakers. 00:37:41.096 --> 00:37:41.695 And so again, 00:37:41.715 --> 00:37:42.835 thank you so much for all 00:37:42.856 --> 00:37:43.655 your work you're doing there. 00:37:43.715 --> 00:37:45.297 It's, I mean, we really, our, 00:37:45.697 --> 00:37:48.036 our organization is for the 00:37:48.077 --> 00:37:49.978 people by the people. 00:37:50.117 --> 00:37:50.717 Like that's it. 00:37:50.818 --> 00:37:53.059 Like we're doing this work for our people, 00:37:53.438 --> 00:37:55.699 but AOMT is, has just been such a, 00:37:55.958 --> 00:37:57.639 such a great organization 00:37:57.699 --> 00:38:00.440 to be a part of from, from very, 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:01.360 very long time ago. 00:38:01.460 --> 00:38:02.840 So I love seeing that, 00:38:03.465 --> 00:38:04.166 people still have the 00:38:04.206 --> 00:38:05.726 passion to serve with such a big heart. 00:38:05.806 --> 00:38:06.827 So thanks, Derek, for that work. 00:38:06.847 --> 00:38:07.708 The other thing I'll say is, 00:38:07.768 --> 00:38:08.708 is that it's actually, 00:38:08.728 --> 00:38:10.610 it's a little bit of an 00:38:10.670 --> 00:38:11.592 easier job than I thought 00:38:11.612 --> 00:38:12.211 it was going to be. 00:38:12.231 --> 00:38:13.592 I know that doesn't sound right. 00:38:14.094 --> 00:38:15.775 But in that, 00:38:16.074 --> 00:38:17.996 and I say that because AOMT is 00:38:18.016 --> 00:38:19.538 a very respectable, 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:22.400 very respectable organization. 00:38:22.420 --> 00:38:24.661 And so when I reach out to people, 00:38:24.742 --> 00:38:25.422 they are 00:38:26.186 --> 00:38:27.288 they want to be part of that 00:38:27.307 --> 00:38:28.407 they know who our 00:38:28.447 --> 00:38:30.628 membership is they know our 00:38:30.688 --> 00:38:32.690 members are some of the you 00:38:32.730 --> 00:38:34.170 know not just the great 00:38:34.490 --> 00:38:35.891 researchers and education 00:38:36.072 --> 00:38:38.152 and educators but they also 00:38:38.192 --> 00:38:39.492 know that they truly are 00:38:39.632 --> 00:38:40.413 like some of the best 00:38:40.733 --> 00:38:42.233 clinicians you know if you 00:38:42.333 --> 00:38:43.155 if you think about this 00:38:43.175 --> 00:38:44.315 like who would I send my 00:38:44.335 --> 00:38:46.036 who would I send my mom to 00:38:46.076 --> 00:38:47.396 go get care for and if I 00:38:47.436 --> 00:38:48.137 saw somebody that 00:38:48.237 --> 00:38:50.177 had you know some background 00:38:50.217 --> 00:38:51.679 in manual therapy and such 00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:53.981 um and so when we talk to 00:38:54.001 --> 00:38:55.061 folks that want to present 00:38:55.362 --> 00:38:56.041 they know that they're 00:38:56.061 --> 00:38:57.342 presenting to an audience 00:38:57.842 --> 00:39:00.204 that is uh has high 00:39:00.264 --> 00:39:02.346 standards and I think that 00:39:02.445 --> 00:39:05.527 makes it um a bit of an of 00:39:05.789 --> 00:39:07.028 a nice role because I think 00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:08.871 people actually feel um you 00:39:09.070 --> 00:39:10.211 know it is a privilege to 00:39:10.411 --> 00:39:11.431 stand up on the main stage 00:39:11.733 --> 00:39:13.594 and to present to this group of 00:39:14.972 --> 00:39:16.552 members, clinicians, 00:39:16.992 --> 00:39:17.793 other researchers and 00:39:17.853 --> 00:39:19.954 educators who have these 00:39:20.574 --> 00:39:21.753 standards of excellence that are, 00:39:21.773 --> 00:39:23.375 you know, quite high. 00:39:25.954 --> 00:39:26.175 Yeah. 00:39:26.295 --> 00:39:28.436 Well, I think we're also just, you know, 00:39:28.695 --> 00:39:30.436 it's a pretty fun group too, by the way. 00:39:30.936 --> 00:39:32.277 We have a party every year. 00:39:32.416 --> 00:39:32.976 Yeah. 00:39:33.197 --> 00:39:33.998 And they're, they're pretty, 00:39:34.157 --> 00:39:34.518 they're pretty 00:39:35.235 --> 00:39:36.217 pretty crazy people. 00:39:36.416 --> 00:39:37.597 We enjoy each other's talk. 00:39:37.617 --> 00:39:39.659 We just got to watch Amy and Roger, 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:40.960 apparently, though, at the party. 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.201 So make sure that we give 00:39:43.521 --> 00:39:47.643 security a little bit of a cue. 00:39:47.724 --> 00:39:48.244 I love it. 00:39:48.684 --> 00:39:50.065 Well, I mean, again, 00:39:50.126 --> 00:39:51.487 we have such awesome people 00:39:51.527 --> 00:39:52.387 who come to this conference. 00:39:52.407 --> 00:39:55.068 So I always say it is like a star event, 00:39:55.108 --> 00:39:55.309 right? 00:39:55.349 --> 00:39:56.289 You get these rock stars in 00:39:56.309 --> 00:39:58.050 the profession who totally 00:39:58.090 --> 00:39:59.331 make time for other people, 00:39:59.791 --> 00:40:00.632 have conversations. 00:40:00.693 --> 00:40:00.813 So 00:40:01.530 --> 00:40:01.851 Amy, 00:40:02.110 --> 00:40:03.472 you can be the first to have that 00:40:03.532 --> 00:40:04.771 conversation with Roger, 00:40:04.931 --> 00:40:06.952 and I'm sure it'll all work out great. 00:40:07.313 --> 00:40:08.213 But we'll have others. 00:40:08.893 --> 00:40:10.275 So we'll distribute all the 00:40:10.355 --> 00:40:13.215 rock star dust around the room, 00:40:13.255 --> 00:40:14.655 make sure everyone gets to spread around. 00:40:14.755 --> 00:40:15.777 So that'll be great. 00:40:16.974 --> 00:40:17.293 Awesome. 00:40:17.773 --> 00:40:18.775 I think this is pretty good 00:40:18.815 --> 00:40:19.815 for our first kickoff. 00:40:19.875 --> 00:40:21.994 I mean, we hit our vision, 00:40:22.056 --> 00:40:23.155 what we're trying to do. 00:40:23.175 --> 00:40:24.576 We totally talked about how 00:40:24.635 --> 00:40:26.297 it aligns with what, you know, 00:40:26.436 --> 00:40:27.277 what we're trying to do as 00:40:27.297 --> 00:40:28.137 an organization. 00:40:28.157 --> 00:40:29.177 You gave them a little 00:40:29.237 --> 00:40:31.378 history about the naming, 00:40:31.438 --> 00:40:33.699 which by the way, not an easy thing. 00:40:33.898 --> 00:40:35.458 And thank goodness for Derek 00:40:35.478 --> 00:40:36.079 saving the day. 00:40:36.099 --> 00:40:37.079 You know, 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:38.599 now we're sitting here at a space 00:40:38.619 --> 00:40:39.521 where we get to talk about 00:40:39.661 --> 00:40:41.021 what our next steps are we're going. 00:40:41.481 --> 00:40:42.382 We've got a lineup. 00:40:42.443 --> 00:40:43.382 We've got a huge lineup. 00:40:43.402 --> 00:40:44.704 We're going international. 00:40:45.023 --> 00:40:45.704 And some of those same 00:40:45.724 --> 00:40:46.764 people are going to be on 00:40:46.824 --> 00:40:48.326 the main stage with you, Derek, 00:40:48.465 --> 00:40:49.445 as we're kicking off a big 00:40:49.485 --> 00:40:50.827 conference that we just talked about. 00:40:50.907 --> 00:40:52.568 So I think this is a pretty 00:40:52.628 --> 00:40:53.668 good wrap up for all the 00:40:53.708 --> 00:40:54.648 things that we've got going 00:40:54.748 --> 00:40:55.550 on that are going to come 00:40:55.630 --> 00:40:56.989 over the next five, six months. 00:40:57.751 --> 00:40:58.590 Yeah, I think it is. 00:40:58.670 --> 00:40:59.931 I think it is. 00:41:00.371 --> 00:41:00.572 Yes. 00:41:01.052 --> 00:41:02.673 Very excited to be a part of this. 00:41:02.793 --> 00:41:05.034 And, you know, and to our listeners, 00:41:05.155 --> 00:41:06.596 actually, I just, you know, 00:41:07.628 --> 00:41:08.568 When we said, hey, 00:41:08.628 --> 00:41:09.809 what's our first show that 00:41:09.829 --> 00:41:10.130 we should have? 00:41:10.150 --> 00:41:10.369 I'm like, 00:41:10.969 --> 00:41:12.652 let's bring Megan and Amy on the 00:41:12.672 --> 00:41:13.351 show and let's just have a 00:41:13.371 --> 00:41:14.213 conversation because it 00:41:14.992 --> 00:41:16.253 would be about the best thing. 00:41:16.775 --> 00:41:17.514 We didn't play around with 00:41:17.534 --> 00:41:18.835 any of the technology, though, did we? 00:41:18.876 --> 00:41:19.596 We could have had all kinds 00:41:19.637 --> 00:41:20.297 of fun with some of the 00:41:20.317 --> 00:41:22.639 sound bites from our listeners and things, 00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:25.380 but we'll do more in our time. 00:41:26.081 --> 00:41:26.621 We'll do more. 00:41:27.121 --> 00:41:28.483 You know, I can remove myself now. 00:41:28.543 --> 00:41:29.103 I can just go. 00:41:29.123 --> 00:41:30.324 I know. 00:41:30.344 --> 00:41:32.085 I ask goodbye, you all. 00:41:32.166 --> 00:41:32.987 You can, 00:41:33.027 --> 00:41:34.307 but I also have the same amount of 00:41:34.347 --> 00:41:35.349 control as you do. 00:41:35.869 --> 00:41:37.590 And I can bring you back on the stage. 00:41:37.990 --> 00:41:38.791 I don't think we're going to 00:41:38.831 --> 00:41:39.692 showcase all of our 00:41:39.731 --> 00:41:40.992 inadequacies this early 00:41:41.032 --> 00:41:42.594 into this endeavor. 00:41:42.614 --> 00:41:43.614 I agree with Amy. 00:41:43.875 --> 00:41:44.675 And two beats one. 00:41:48.918 --> 00:41:49.400 All right. 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:50.581 Well, thanks, team. 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:51.300 It's great. 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:52.782 I really appreciate you guys 00:41:52.842 --> 00:41:53.882 going and doing this with us. 00:41:54.224 --> 00:41:54.563 That's awesome. 00:41:54.583 --> 00:41:55.364 Sounds like you have to wrap. 00:41:56.998 --> 00:41:57.862 Sounds like it's a wrap. 00:41:58.204 --> 00:41:59.552 I'm going to end recording here.