Good day everyone. Good day, But good. Good
day. Good day. Good day, my brothers and
welcome. To another episode of
kingdom men in action. And I'm excited today.
Because I'm ready to jump right into this
I've been waiting for this interview for a
while,
and I'm going to bring on and introduce
my dear brother.
His name is Reverend
Samuel
Lee, the second
brother Lee, he's
he's associate pastor at our church at compassionate
at Tab,
and we've had conversations off and on, and
I've been wanting to bring him on because
he has really good insight about men, and
that's this conversation about men state of men,
and what man can do to
be men here in the kingdom of got
on earth. So
Welcome, Brother lee. How are you doing, sir?
Hello good all go parker. Oh, paul as
well with you, sir.
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Can't complain. Can't complain.
I really thank you for,
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action podcast. So... Well, let's go ahead and
get started and at least, let's get the
audience
familiar with you that,
beverly.
Why don't you go ahead and kinda give
just a brief synopsis or testimony up
how do you... How you, you know, your
life is is a man,
as far as, you know, been a Christian
man and when did you
start your faith walk and what led you
to now that your the social pastor I'm
church. So I'll give it to you.
Okay.
Well,
the born raised
little city
Ross,
North Carolina.
And and I appreciate it tell by
about 20.
This is South Southern.
Born raised there.
And, you know, as a youth,
we
we went to church,
probably,
know back then going to baptist church you
on...
You know, certain studying as you go to
church because then you wanna get the best
choir. Yeah.
To bring us to church.
My brother myself,
goodness know she works 6 week, so she'll
because decided we go to church. So son
I do about church.
And
you know, but, you know, is we can
get older
you're always looking for something,
you know, you... And we don't know what
you're... What we're looking for.
And so I read different
materials,
literature, about different religion, but it was something
about Christianity that really drew in.
You know. So then,
you know, as all of us do, we
in and out in and out,
then
Let me see, I wanna say 19 98,
probably. This 1,
now was on salvation, I was a member
of.
Guys are blessed in church. Answer good north
Carolina so I was there. Mh.
And,
you know, sir, they're on the dea board.
So they're with the late bishop.
You know, just no just learn more about
god and, Janet He's actually it was to
hold his church. Pinnacle. So very,
you know.
And luckily, just
different things in life,
there, no, was part of different churches, you
know, and didn't just read up... They were
just different members, ministers that
houses the whatnot, you know,
and
had to call him, but I ran rent
for a long time... Been for a long
time. And,
did I said didn't a receiver calling to
start preaching and
cold Pastor church Ross.
You know, life happens, you know, life life
and this
know people
and then, found compassionate and I found compassion
through my current wife mail
and
hire,
which actually hope for her first because is
my best friend. So that's really how matter
her. He just came friends and then
seeing choir and
going different places. I could remember.
But they gone park you was part of
their car as well. Y'all was, y'all know,
just thinking it. I wanna say about bird,
no Carolina. They're there, in know,
new Whitaker down in there at mc, but
was at Mc in of that bank?
Yeah in the Port of North Carolina.
Okay. Yeah. And so
drove all there.
To hear her thing, but then we'll go
her the church and the thing it brought
me to compassionate, man, we're just over them
men. You know, you guys really just
pulled out of love and and and and
here's the thing, you know, we could say
we love somebody, but until you see the
action, you know, worse on meetings saying.
Play... So compassionate really put in that action
to what it means to really love,
you know, your brother and then plus it
was a great teaching there. Oh my god
they're teaching. So
and I said also during the time. I
kinda took the article from manager guy, you
know, go and do things. No.
And then, guy gave me to push.
Okay. You need to get back into what
I called you to do. Though
Ai am, and know I we're back into
preaching and I'm still at compassionate. You know
Out loving it, You know,
I just love serving guy anyway, you know,
regardless
of the false that we may find ourself
into because we are not perfect.
You know, but still that have the love
to still continue to serve God that's
I they that's a gift for himself. The
long times we get out of
we get
frustrated because we can't get it right. And
then sometime we throw our hands and say,
what's the purpose?
You know, but that it is the purpose
the purpose is, we make mistakes. We go
to Christ and ask him 2 for guilt
plus.
You know, and he's already forgiveness because he
already shared his blood.
The eye force. You know, So
we always go to You. Mean, we're not
we... And we're not perfect. You know.
So that's that's a quick synopsis synopsis.
You will.
I hear you said, well, I learned if
I learned a few more things about you
that I didn't know. So I
that's 1 of the good things about getting
together to. You know, for a more deeper
conversation, you get a chance to to really
learn about somebody. So... But
I hear you, sir. Right. So well, let
me ask you, sir.
In your course of ministry,
how have you found
the attitude of men in general.
I guess saying knowing their purpose and acting
on that purpose.
Because
in 20 24,
we've we've gone through
quite a few generations. And where we are
now at 20 24
is not where I don't think we should
be.
With the
lack of men,
not really
doing what they should do. I I guess
for that what
And I
put us in the category because, you know
what? It's
it's us as a collective.
Because even if you got a few men
doing what they're supposed to do that's fine.
But if they're not... If they're not involved,
if they're not sharing in they're not helping
others grow,
then they're just really the same... They're part
of the same problem that we're having for
the ones that aren't doing anything.
So
I guess my first question is is,
where do you see men at now? 20
24. Just... Where do you see him at?
I see us
letting him down
So what guy
or or to be?
I think it started this started back. And
you know, here's the thing we have to,
really understand, no, 2
all churches are different, you know,
And
so this is statement but also a question.
So we're are dealing with
black men.
Okay?
And so the question is I wanna do
white churches have the same problem that we
have.
Okay. So I I say that because, you
know, we have to deal with there's a
lot of things dead Black may have to
deal with.
Just, you know, being here. So there's a
lot of things to society that we have
deal with that. All the people might not
deal with.
So So if if you wanna push that
that aside,
a lot of the churches that we have
been brought up in, a lot of times
there are women.
In churches. You know, they're
they're leaning out and they're doing this and
doing that. And they're not enough men
because so it's, like, most of the men
that are there mh in those churches, sometimes
they don't have a voice.
Sometimes, they're they're there because they're married to
the person that's in charge or
they've been there, but
basically they have a voice and then whoever
to go uber, you know, this, you know,
a wonder where gets be. So so there...
So that's 1 of these just not a
lot of men this meeting
in
in churches,
and then the ones that are,
they're not doing
according to on God's word.
So this... I feel that's where we at.
Because
Lee, if how can we lead properly
or how can we
usher
me into churches were I oi. Not even
just church
building, but unto the into the kingdom of
Christ,
if we are
doing all these other things. This contrary to
god's word.
Right.
So the... I think... I mean, we... We
see on social media. You know, we're not
gonna name names so the data that we've
seen.
Anything we... Even some something have witnessed
ourselves. Our witnessed of different
contrary or... But here's the thing of
if we
if we as leaders. Mh.
Would
company
and intentionally to me people
to the what I mean is
that
we don't allow people to put us on
a pedestal.
Okay. We don't allow people to
build as you know, Bob the teachers of
that, no, pride comfortable fall, you know, Pride
has different meaning. That's 1 minute pride we
get boast. Mh. And Bob tells that comes
before a fall.
And so I... And and so
also answer your question as you stated,
that's what has happened.
We have gotten pride. We gotten
boast,
because
of that because of the con could be,
famous fortune nobody be. So now,
you know, so what it cracks. So what
what Guy is doing
is now is that, well, since you pull
you
put you up there on that. So now
let me go into the bottom your closet
and pull up your skeletons that you got
hired.
Yeah. You know, and... So this what's happening.
It's a but... You know, here's be, on
pocket. None of us are perfect.
Well, you know, none of none of us
are perfect and in that...
Until we teach and preach
that
and Jeff because God called me to the
office of, preacher
whatever other case would be,
you still looks... You don't look at me.
You... And I think that's do we are
so busy looking at demand that we're not
looking at christ.
We can read it... We can read all
through the Bible where,
different it was,
guy hell called and got has have all
ordained and
they messed up. You know? Mh. Like, David,
you know, I was sure about David, you
know, David would
quite a few things and know but reaping
the heart.
You know what Saying, you know, and and
we have to
continue to have that. But be but we
have to put
on Christ
on Christ. You know, I'm just the vessel
of God is union.
Exactly. Yeah. It's only saying that. It So
it's saying that if I'm just a vessel.
That means
I'm a vessel being used by God, but
I might be off
1 day, so that means I'm still a
vessel,
but the enemy interview is using me on
that day. You can you get
So
Regardless of fact instead of Best,
I'm a willing vessel for Christ.
I'm a I'm a force vessel for or
stating because there are so many things that
are against us being man being black man
is that sometimes we've we we are going
on far.
We don't wanna fall,
you know, we don't wanna fall. We don't
want to
do certain things or whatnot. But we have
to understand that we're
we will be... So whether we be used
by
what we want. And then, sometimes,
we get the next morning and then we,
you know, it just ain't gonna be a
good day.
Firstly, that's the human in us.
I hate. You know, that that's that that
is... That just must be human,
you know,
And I was,
you know, before I forget because I'm getting
oh, I forget things, but you said something
earlier,
you know,
people expect us you said about being,
or not, but still it. But so I'll
be since you said that I'm a use
that.
So we take the word he man. We
know we just seen the car on. He
may. He's a body
or whatnot does that. So we can look
at me, he may, he can overcome. I'll
take that word man.
You know?
And, you know,
so what's the first? What's the first part
of that were? He So now if you
capitalized that he. So nick would say, okay.
We could say we're he man because we're
allowing he, which is God himself.
You put him first in Wheel man.
So in long we put god first, we
can't be here, man because this gotten inside
of us, and then us be this great,
man or,
you, in ultimate that great man of value,
we
Christian
wheat,
you know, we love. We serve God. We
do this
for the kingdom. Right. Know saying, But Christ
has to be in it.
Yes. Every time. All the time. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hey. I wanna circle back because you've mentioned
something about women in the church and
I wanna run something by you because Our
plan on who.
I plan on doing several on that
in the future episode.
But this is my take on this on
women.
And
I know what the bible says, and I
know it's a hot topic
when they talk about women in the pool
pit and things that nature.
I personally
I think I'm still in the fence.
I don't think I would actually be at
a church that is run by a woman,
but I don't
particularly have a problem
if she feels that the lord is leading
her to speak,
and what she's speaking is biblical,
she's giving good teaching. Now I wouldn't listen
to an anita... What's the name I need
a bottom.
I wouldn't listen to her. She's crazy.
But
there all women I there. I I have
heard that
was teaching from the bible. I mean, they
was it's... Like they was given a bible
study.
And so I got good
information from them,
but as far as running
a church,
I I don't know. I I don't think
I would be, but
I want to run his by you. And
so
my thing is
because
men over the over the generations
we've
we've been sorry. We've
we've had children out of wed lot. We
weren't
be responsible to raise our children.
We was treating women any kind of way.
We were
out here being
players and and whatnot and old school dogs
and all this stuff that we've been doing,
degrading women, so forth and so on
to the point that
I guess women at some point back in
the day back
back whenever.
Just got tired of waiting on us to
step up and take our role,
that they decided to
fill in themselves.
And moving forward, they got accustomed to being
in these leadership roles and things in that
nature when it comes to church. To where
now,
instead of... And and this... And again, instead
of men stepping up and saying, no. This
is not true. This is not your
detail. This is not your duty.
We need to go on this direction. And
I don't want nobody about... And first, let
me say, I want nobody anybody say, I'm
not saying that men are here and women
are here.
I think we have to understand that
everybody has a role to play in the
kingdom of god.
It ain't about 1 each superior in the
other.
Everybody has a role to play,
just like the mothers of the church. Right.
Ever role to play. Everybody has a role
to place, So it's not about who's dominating
over somebody else. But when we're not following
the blueprint of what God has laid out.
It just caused confusion in my highs. That's
how I see it. And so
I'll throw it back to you. I just
wanna know what your opinions on that.
Okay. And
so course, I have to,
tread lightly.
Because I do have my beliefs what.
Something I can't I can't I can't speak
on. Mh
you and like I talk later about that,
but I can't, you know,
you, yeah. We can get touch little more
on the label. But here's, but I will
say this. There is a order that god
has placed his
according to his word. Mh.
And
we,
you know, have to go by what... How
how God has ordained
each and never 1 of us are according
to
according to his word.
Guy can use anybody whom he chooses.
God has their authority Guy has that right.
He has
created...
Well, not... Well, he has me,
and I'm not be balloon
anybody would been met a woman.
But he's made
a donkey to speaking.
No. I say, I'm not subject to anybody
you know, to that, But what say saying
is,
in order to get god's kingdom,
moving forward,
you know, guy
has the authority to say whom we wanna
use and whom he would not use.
But I still believe that there is order
in how he does it.
You know,
Right. And I'm a leave that right there.
I could say more. But I, you know,
I I... But I can't... I leave it.
I can't say more.
I hear I hear. Yeah. It's a it's
a it's a touchy subject. And, you know,
when you talk about it, you want to
you don't wanna buy to take it to
where they get offensive because,
you know, we we discussed things as far
as the order of what
God has put down
and how things supposed to be done in
decent in order.
And you want... This what we want... You
know, we we definitely want to
be led... Be led by god, you know,
by hold of spirit
to how we do things, and how we
conduct order how we conduct business.
You know, And so we definitely wanna be
led by the spirit to how we
you know, how we do that. And, you
know, and...
Man, it's... There is so much work
out here.
In the kingdom.
You know? And, I guess, you know, so
then sometime I say, well,
and some restriction why should it matter. You
know what Mean? Who's...
What's doing what what case would be? You
know,
somebody may ask that question. You know,
because, you know, but I said there's so
much work. And there's so many faster of
of the kingdom.
The everybody could put the hands in and
get it done. You know?
And so... You know, so I guess,
someone say that we might have to go...
So let's look at the beginning,
you know, that
man would deceive by woman.
You get what Saying. So it's... So a
lot people pick different things were but we
had to go about according to what divorce
says and and that God's
spirit leaders guys how we need to conduct
certain things. You know?
I think men,
it... You know, you're you're you're right park
men do not know that place.
Because because we're not them where they'll plays
is.
The... I'm I'm just gonna be,
Frank, which we we do not teach
we teach fund... I think we teach fundamentals,
but we don't sit there really...
I think
So Church has progressed. Mh.
You know. So a lot of things we
really don't talk with teach about about... I
think that there are those times
then we need to go back to old
school way and teach,
you know, man okay, You need to pray.
You know,
need
need to be ahead of your house,
you know,
you need to prayer with your wife and
children.
You know, these, you know,
you need to be the example
of your,
broke your household. Bob tells us that how
can a man
rule
or run the church
if you can't have orders on house.
And then yep.
You know? So if I can't have order
here, there's no there's no I have no
business.
You know, trying trying to lead a church.
Because why? Because it reflects... Because church reflects
back on home.
It reflects back on mary it it reflects
back on
on family.
So how
so how I treats my wife, how I
treat by to my kids were not, you
know,
guess you can say then
they could be how he going
treat the church,
especially in Alisha alicia role.
Yeah.
You hear roseanne. Because then the bible also
know gonna show you no
about how we're supposed to know our family
as Christ love to church.
Yeah.
Yeah. You know, So there's
Sorry Excuse me. Sorry. No. Ahead. I'm saying,
I've got... Agree with you. Yeah. And so
there's...
What does that mean?
You know, you might ask her old what
is he saying, you know, now well, either
even in it that's... Then it he said
even even if that was a great mystery.
I I believe it's what He said.
You know, But... So what does that what
does that that mean? You know,
Christ gave his life for the church?
So
we...
So we should supposed to do like likewise
this our work,
our example if you will.
May should you saying they for his family?
You know,
If, my wife is... If my wife is
struggling, with something, I should be the 1
to take up that burden from her, so
she wouldn't struggle.
You know, now not talking about financially,
off, stuff like that because, you know, this
world is stuff. Finances world. Know, because we
need this to survive,
and there's a lot of times that
women make more money than men. And they're
just
because of the world system, you But when
you talking about spirituality and when were you
talking about
just different things that being attacked by the
enemy or whatnot? We... No. So
we're supposed to take that burden from them,
and we take on that. Right.
But men don't know that.
Because me because me and has not been
told there. But here's... So
and so the first thing,
or I'll or or our
is is prayer.
We need to teach men how to pray
what the pray for I been able to
pray about.
You know,
And we need and we need to
help me to understand who who they are
or who they are.
Because here's a... You know, 1 the issue
we have, man
they have... Let's say, man might have been
in jail or man might have been
a horn or man may have been... He
may help
committed crime or he whatever those things were
but we still have to understand is let
them no pet God still loves them. Yep.
You know,
God loves all of us. And what we
have to get them to understand that, you
know, the benefits of serving christ.
Do... I mean, think about do we ever
able to really tell anybody the benefits of
serving We just will we do. You no,
we'll attend to, you know, you need to
serve, you know, you need to just like
together when that n so God and, you
know, he going, you know, but really,
telling me what the benefits it is serving
christ. And being for and for me to
be in in their rights standing of god.
You in the fellowship. There definitely benefits, and
you bring up a good point
in
teaching the benefits
will probably motivate me more
to follow God.
Oh. They know that these are the benefits.
And... And...
That brought that up. I just had a
conversation because,
you know,
everybody's looking for peace
and joy.
They are. They might not Say it in
whatever word. But most people, if you ask
them, they want east,
and happiness. They want peace and enjoy. Well,
that's 1 of the benefits of falling god's
word. It will give you peace
and joy. Yeah.
It would it will it will
take away
the worldly things just like you were saying.
The word things is what keeps us bound.
It keeps us in anxiety. It keeps us
frustrated
because you're chasing
with the world think you supposed to be
doing. In fact, I just saw
the other day on
Good morning America that now
the
the next trend
is
when you go get married, you you usually
go on a honeymoon.
Well, now somebody promotes
to do the Honeymoon before the wedding.
So now we're gonna go on a hundred.
Yeah. Safe.
The same look you just gave me the
same look I had. I said you gotta
be kidding me. So, yeah. They're promoting
during the honeymoon
before the wedding,
and
They had a couple, and they was telling
my this is a way for us to
reconnect and... And so I'm sad to myself,
Wouldn't do you mean reconnect? Y'all don't ain't
really even connected yet? If exactly? If y'all
having issues stay connected now. You really go
have some problems
once you get married.
Oh, yeah. But
again, back to what you were saying with
the word,
once
we gotta find a way, and I don't
know how we can do this. You might
have some suggestion.
Because men are not participating
on the level
that they should when it comes to even
getting any edi
from the word,
We have men meetings and and different things
and it's always the same.
Ones that show...
Because they don't could... I don't make could
job but they don't...
I feel that I, I'm must I'm saying,
I'm a and I will put it like
this.
We
don't see the necessity
in
come into meetings or,
get together with our our brother.
And so it
what happened and in in and
so it's is life.
We we are so busy
with so many things, parker that we
we don't have time.
Well, I'm say this is okay. Well gonna
be frank. We
we are sold bombarded where everything is. We
don't we don't have time for christ.
Just based on what it is. And so
what we... So what we need to do
is intentionally
top for christ.
I I hear you. And I get... We...
And and and like, and and so... And
and that's a hard task
because
what...
In order for me to do that, what
I'm gonna give it up. That's that's what
goes through me is mine. So but now,
if you're asking me to put Christ first,
what I'm giving up?
When you shouldn't really be looking it that
way, you're not really getting up anything. But
we're student the word. Well wouldn't listen this
this turn let's turn it around, You know?
You know, what... So like I... So what
I... What I say? So what do it
have to give up you know,
to follow christ? You know, what what the...
So let's turn around,
what did Christ have to give up?
It's like yeah. And there there you go.
For for you to have return on life?
So so now here's the question, do you
want this life
what the world give you, or do you
want eternal life.
So God has given up everything for you
to have
eternal life. So now,
We... Like you're right. We shouldn't ask a
question.
What do I have to lose what they
have to give up to do... No. You
give up everything
to to follow Christ. They'll do that the
bible tells us to do.
Yeah.
No, but so now which talking about so
we are christians now. Mh.
Ain't change?
Ain't change. We we still
have to put Price first. And like I
said, in the world makes it hard because
here's the... What Bible tells us that we
gets blood, Against you know, principal powers in
with the places.
You know, those are the things that we
fight against. So
you know, a lot of times we want
to do, we want to,
get up at 03:00AM
am and pray or what time you wanna
get up we wanna do those things for
us. We want to turn out our plate.
You know, we want to
come to about study anymore. We want to
meet with to me a lot of times,
we want to do those things.
But the enemy will put every stomach block
in our way order to keep us from
doing those things.
And so what we have to do,
we have to
put the enemy and, you know,
put the enemy in his place.
When when the emmy came to 10
on, Christ.
You know, that's what he was doing. He
been the talked stomach blocks in front of
in front of
christ's way to keep hearing from doing what
he was all day to do. Put
but Christ stopping like this. Said no state
didn't can get behind me.
And I firm Believe that if Christ,
if god has may have made us in
his image and his likeness.
And then all the all a sudden and
acts. So gonna keep that And then all
a sudden said that once we have the
holders we shared have paulo.
You said when we
tell Satan do that in Jesus name, and
because it's not because of alcohol, but because
of Jesus.
Right.
You know,
say leave me alone because, you know, I
serve Jesus. Jesus is my lord and save.
Once we start doing that, then Of a
sudden stumbling the blocks,
will fall. We can progress.
But we have to do things
and and G because
by his name,
his name there's all power. You know, we
didn't call his name
you know, whatever stomach block there before us
will fall. Whatever hint theirs before is that
image what, it has... It has to leave
because Jesus
It's sephora. And jesus trump... Jesus Trump's everything.
They amen... Yep.
He does. And so and so that's the
thing when when we struggle
you know, and an fries require. You know,
when we struggle, we... We have we have
to we have to earnest pray, and and
then we have to
put it in Jesus in hand, we have
to call him because he's he's our savior.
And I and and I take that word,
and we haven't to take that where harley
because he's our savior because he saved because
should've it, but he saved us. Now with
the Christian, but he also... While still our
of savior
in doing that and also
saving us from the traps to the intermediate
place before us.
Because the him he's obviously sent trip... He
I always said things were not. Mh.
But won't.
And beginning of the day and know the
prayer. My bishop
prayer is to order the today, and he
so right. Pete give the morning, will be
earnest praying see god's face
and and and laid on on the line.
Tell guy, no lord. I don't know what's
performing, but, you know but, you know lord,
you know, but
from everything that the end trying to throw
again.
You know my goals is you, you know,
going on sticking out there, you know, direct
my path
lord there things that you for me to
do, I don't know, but whatever it is
opening to the door, so I can do
what you have in.
We had to pray... We had to we
had to
we had to pray those prayers.
But we all had to we had to
put Christ in it.
Because his thing without christ, nothing will be
accomplished
at all,
at all.
And that's why I say,
as men
1 of the...
I think before you even anything gets started.
You have to ask yourself a couple of
questions. 1, do you believe in god. Do
you believe in God? Do you believe God
created? Right. Do you believe he created the
the heavens in the earth?
Do you do you believe that
God is a supernatural natural. Do you believe?
No believe that?
The next question would be what do you
believe his word?
Not some of it,
not the ones that work in your favor,
but from genesis
to revelations,
all 66 books
and what else you can reference
do you believe god's word
as it's written
because if you don't, you're gonna always have
doubt, you're gonna always make excuses.
You're gonna always be on the sideline
because you're never gonna
fully commit to what God word
says and tells us to do.
It tells us not to
take away or add to his word.
So now we have a new.
Is it too?
Of of, we have a new generation of
of, people out here preaching
that have taken his word
and they've taken the bible and made a
second third fourth fifth edition,
There's no more addition to the bible, it
stopped at the end of revelation. But if
you don't read the bible and if you
don't believe the the word in the bible,
then you're gonna feed off all this false
information that's being passed out here, which would
tell you to go to the left and
go to the right and jump up and
down and spin around 3 times and then
touch your nose and this supposed to happen.
We we gotta get back to the basics.
So we got to go back to boot
cab. Right. We got to go back to
the ground 0. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. We do and and, you know, in
the... That's 1, the reason why I love,
the, old school chip revival because to revolve
that's what. I feel the desk that that's
vibe.
Okay. Let's get back to the basics, you
know, it's is viable. We need to revise.
So how do we revive. Is re revolver
is a reboot.
You know, I need I need right there
now.
Revival is a is is,
is is a
reboot. Is a reboot because of the fact
it should do some type of renewing it
should,
you know,
refresh you.
You know, it should bring some type of
of of
awareness. Go what... So what happened know we
go to church. And
you know, go to church and we do
this do that 1 but then some
sometimes
we get complacent or
But by night, this is the same or
same, you know.
But then sometime you, I gotta asked credit.
What are you doing?
To make it better or to
make it
not
I've been way because Like I said before,
there's a lot of work for all to
do? You know, They just
but they just left up to just or
the dea all or or whomever.
All
where all of us... Once we come into
the full once we have a acknowledged,
no, the chrysler saving, we come save.
You know, and and full feel with the
spirit we're not we've disciples.
Mh.
Real officers,
and our job is to go and pale
and other disciples.
Yeah.
To make all fall risk of price.
You know,
that's
our, you know, that's, like said that's our
will goal. This...
And this will get our
commissioned to them?
Well, Then ask they're, you know, trying to
ask answer your question, what what can we
do to?
You know, bring the in in,
that's that's a hard. You know,
when I used I used to my have...
I used to have,
it was called,
initial move... Least have initial move ministry. Mh.
And we used to use the, give me
just a call in.
Zoom Zoom wasn't even around, you know, I
bank, but, nevertheless.
And it was for the men, and I
would have it you know, I did on
Sundays.
I did on Sundays, at a certain time,
I can't even know what time it was
probably, like, 5 06:00.
And and I prayed about it and re...
And reasonable why I to do that do
it at that time because most men
are at home.
They'll probably have finished eating,
you know, and they're probably getting ready to
sit down to watch Tv to today hasn't
hasn't really started yet. You know what Was?
And
so that's what god led me to do
it that day in that particular the time.
And and was be fitting because Sunny beginning
at beginning to work a week. So it
was a word to give to men
and encourage you where...
Like I said, I think it was only,
like,
10 minutes is that much. But it don't
take it don't take long. You know, but
the workers work with speak itself. We just
need to plan to see and god go
do the increase. You know, but it was
a word
you know, to encourage the me is heart
to get those something to care them through
to next Sunday.
Because doing it through the week wouldn't work
because men work first year year year, and
may have 2 of the job. But Sunday
most time, on Sundays men and men are
all work. Right. And doing that particular time,
they at home getting get relaxed
before the gangs will not come on so
god's and do it at this time. That's
right here.
And well, know, but it was something to
get it something to get...
You have a sporadic sometime be be up
and now but and busy that's always the
issue as well because you had... I had
women that wanted to get on and listen
to it as well, which is knows fine.
The word is word and the worse for
everybody. You know, but I want to encourage
to me,
you know,
to take this with you to go to
the week because something's gonna come and against
you you can have this word, because sometimes
we need that reminder.
You know what I'm saying, we can we
can... We have... We read the word,
we pray well not, but sometimes we need
somebody to give us
something to put in out pocket. So when
we come get some, oh, let me take
this out read because this gonna help me
in this situation.
Exactly. You know exactly. Would you like with
your podcast? Your podcast is to help somebody,
you know, the... Hopefully, they'll hear something, you
know, on on your podcast that
they can care with them,
whatever they're going through. Exactly. You know? And,
you know, and
and trans transparency.
I I they men
for some reason, me a scared to speak
out
into the other man and know they're going
through.
I get it
because we say we are Christian, we shouldn't
be going through anything.
Why? Who say, who's who say that?
It definitely is the word. I know that.
Right. So so so that's a trigger of
the enemy.
Rosa saying? And so I think me Need
to understand just because you're a Christian that
doesn't mean that you're not gonna go through
anything.
And I saw, I think what happens we
are Christians,
we are going through something, but we don't
want 10 buy a company shane.
Therefore, that's also
definite pride.
You know,
too powerful for to to let somebody know
that you're struggling.
All of a sudden, you don't get it
help. What's gonna happen? You're gonna fall.
And that's what the mean. We don't want...
Right. And we didn't re... And us as
Christian, we don't want anybody to fall. No.
All of oliver of us slip.
All of them us, I don't care who
you don't care, don't care who are what
office you hold, what your bishop and a
apostle whatever off
everybody's slip.
The,
the the issue is we don't go and
get help.
When we slip because we are shame. We
we don't want somebody know that I have...
That I'm imperfect.
Why you just fulfilling with with God's worse
said God's worse that we not perfect?
No.
So what so why be are shame
what the barber already says that we are.
If the bottle said on not perfect,
I'm, now I am too too strive to
perfection.
That's my... This my goal That's my... This
one's striving for, and we won't reach that
until we get the heaven.
But
In the meantime, I'm going slip.
Even being a Christian, So
that's said that's a trigger to even to
plant that. So now we don't get dealt.
I can said, so now what happens is
we started to slip farther and the farther.
All sudden, I slip becomes a fall.
And the Bible tells us great was the
fall.
Wow.
So then, and I think this what happen
to a lot of people,
you know, we're still on social media that,
you know,
they've done something, and they slipped.
But they didn't asked for help. And all
of a sudden,
it started to build up and start to
build up. So then all of a sudden,
you know, sessions we see sit on an
our social media session session did does.
What
my thing is
of all the Christian means that we know
around us why didn't we why didn't we
help?
Because we didn't know he need to help.
Yep.
Okay. And then we are not...
Some some some of us are not in
the place
of discernment to the discern
that my brother
is going through, and I just need to...
It's here's the thing.
Most times, all it takes is brother, you
know, you you've been out... You've been in
my spear, how you doing?
Boom.
All sudden,
god a open the door then there it
go. Yep.
And then what in and and in that
case, what happened is God would give you
the work... Give you word to help him.
The Bible tells us,
you know,
And just... You know, and, you know, I
know people might see a different now. But
when
all the stuff that what people is doing.
You know, people just high up and Miserable
will not. All then they've being disposable social
me, this should never have... This should never
happen.
None stuff, should never be exposed social media.
But this a true hand to discredit price.
That's that's all That's about anyway.
But also, it's still is that because what
it happened sometime we had lift the people
up.
You know, So then y'all Got, I would
have no other guy before me.
You have lifted this man So now I
gotta pull his cover that you see who
he really is.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So my
god was good so god pulled is governor
said, okay, Well, he's not perfect. But b
upset, wow we upset when the bible said
that that nobody's perfect.
I. I
I've know.
We probably should we probably make... We should
probably feel disappointed in a in in a
in a sense.
But get mad and get them upset at
this man because he because he made a
mistake.
Everybody do the ball made mistake. We still
make mistakes now.
I should get mad, but me being a
Christian being a brother.
You know, I'm usual for they say you...
It was a past 1 whatnot Some have
you... My duty
is to go to you
and help you up.
I should I don't... I shouldn't talk about
you. I shouldn't, you know, do this whatever.
But my duty
is to lift you up.
Look Him, who was
was a norm?
And when he
drunk.
Oh, yeah. They came in and covered them
and
1 them looked that on? Or not?
The other the, the other 2 went backwards
was at couple up.
That's what we're supposed to do.
You... If you have fallen,
you have made a mistake when not... My
job is not to look on your fault.
Right. My job is to Cover you, help
call your phone. What I call your phone
well, I call your phone. You know, they
did... They did it that way, but my...
I call your phone with prayer. Then I'm
not saying I could become your phone to
cover up that you didn't happen. No.
I need to pray for you. That's how
Cover you.
I'll live you up to to God. That's
how I cover you.
I still show you love because you... Gift
because your members I still show you love.
That's covering you.
I still... Pom is gonna be okay. I
encourage you. That's covering you.
That's how we cover. That's what and I
feel in my script. That's what we should
do what we supposed to do. Now we
don't could don't anybody their mask and whatnot
gonna like, may have you in a hub
individual. There's something you doing, could you passionate
it. Now this... Now, that's a totally different
story.
Right.
You know?
But if people if men would be transparent
enough, and when they fall, they go there
across,
You know, I messed up. I'll have some
issue we do help me. They'll will never
get you to fall.
That's true. That's true. And that's on... And
even
and speed on that,
the that... That's the whole purpose of community.
Mh. Come together community,
then
we can be accountable to what another. I
know at 1 time you have accountability partners.
Mh, you know, these would be people that,
you know,
you would meet with on a regular basis,
and you can talk to. And then when
you were struggling
with
a sin or whatever's going on in your
life, you can call that person
And like you said, to get
wisdom.
Prayer
or just a a ear to listen.
But it would cut off
from you falling
all the way down. You... That's like that
roadblock.
You know, don't go down this road.
Right. Let's talk about it.
But you're right. We
we're not transparent
enough
or humble enough
to to
to do that.
Start talking about that and and and they
kinda shy away. So I don't even know
if that's the reason why
men are not more
active.
In the church spiritually.
I don't know. Cool Yeah. And well, no.
There's nothing.
You know, not from not from that standpoint,
but, you know, just from general, me just
don't trust, nobody. Anybody.
People don't trust it. I mean,
I don't know, you know, but if I
tell you this, will you will you are
you who keep... You know,
We we're just on trust. But, you know,
you know, like I said, that's that that's
a different, you know, from
getting people to just come together.
And and
man I can go back in the today,
you will see
dea and and man and get the governor
and do in there and just pray in
worship, man.
Men.
You know, you'll see that many. You know,
you'll see it that often... What I mean
to say, but back could love the top.
I will see that, you know, and
god will move
because
man, he created these men
that come together with 1 purpose
and best 2 worship.
Mag
a z,
praise,
you know,
the... You know, our lord as savior,
you know, crying out to him.
Oh, man. This...
We need to get back to that.
I need to get back to the point
that
to a point that we don't mind
showing our broken this.
Because at the end of our broken ness,
God put us back on the pot and
make us hold here.
But man won't show that vulnerability.
Mh. Because we have been told.
That man don't show on revealed. The man
supposed to be stronger when not. Man supposed
to be, you know, this and that, you
know. That's what that's we've been talking. You
know? Yep.
Yep.
So what's the homeowners is where where, you
know, but if we can just show our
broken this because we need help.
Everybody, we... Everybody need help. You know,
we we have to admire the women because
women would get together in a heartbeat.
And help each out and do things juggling.
We're the leaders?
These are the things we're supposed to be
doing. My... If my brother is broken,
I taken him to Christ christ build them,
christ put them back on the policy and
and build.
And make them whole again. Yeah. Make them
make a whole again.
I'm with you But we... But we not...
We are not allowing ourself to be to
showing that we are broken.
So we can't get that help.
Because a lot of times when a man
broken
you look back out. He's worse than else
because nobody helped him because, you know,
he, they didn't know to help him.
You know, Because he didn't say anything or
we just didn't deserve he needed to help.
And that's 1 thing I feel that christian
man. If we don't pray for anything else.
We need pray for discernment.
We need we need have that discerning spirit
you know, to help our fellow brothers, you
know, answers,
our family.
And then also have discernment when the any
is coming. So we can know how to
pray against that. We need... We need discernment,
but a lot of people we're going through
the motions of being a mineral church.
You know, I'm on a Dea board, I'm
a... I'm I'm I'm I'm a from a
minister,
you know, I'm a trustee or whatever. I'm
a usher
we're just company... We just we're just doing
our role. We're just doing an hour
occupation if you will. Mh.
But it's more than just the occupation.
You know,
we are on we on the wall.
You know, we we we are a holding
the wall. We, you know, we are we
should be protecting our fellow brothers sisters. We,
you know, we
should give them where we should build them,
but we should encourage them. You know, we
we we are we are family.
You know? Yeah.
Well... So but but well we don't do
that.
Yeah. No.
Because it actually
plays another fold
that our young... Our children,
our young brothers
when they see that
as an example of us being vulnerable and
us being Mh. And that's doing stuff teaches
them.
To do the same thing. Right. But
what... Like you said, we're not willing to
be vulnerable. We're not willing to be transparent.
And then we're not even willing to be
that example
for them, which is like we just off
the face of the earth,
and
So the influence of women end up raising
these young boys
to be
emotional and things of that nature because
I... And I hope... And I know people
I say this and people said,
I'm just living a pipe dream,
but I really believe
wholeheartedly. I really believe
as God as the head,
if we all
really took this
seriously.
We could turn
things around.
Oh, yeah. Most definitely. I honestly believe that
but
everybody would have to be on board. I
mean, everybody had to realize out the same
thing.
The this... We we just have to be
on on wanna accord. You know, and that's
the thing,
we we when you do a price way,
it it has to work.
You know, And that's that's why as you
know, like I, earlier, we had to put
price be at the at the forefront
he had to he had to be... And
he had to be in the front.
And that's why we go. We ask, you
know,
what what
is your desire, you know, for my life.
Where do you want me... To do?
What do you want us to do as
a corporate? Right?
Because he's head of the church.
Not our pastor them, not our a bishop,
not our pasta.
But whatever whom over head of, no, the,
under ownership of a church.
The crisis is the head of the church.
So we are to be led by him
and only him.
Hey, amen. It can't be no nobody's idea.
And what they think or, you know, No.
It has to me live by god. And
1 thing about it. Whatever you do
according to what God had tell you is,
it it should align up word.
Amen.
Wow.
The This was a great
conversation.
I really, really, IIII
hope we can get together again for more
talk. Your time?
Off. But, I appreciate you.
So I'll leave it at this.
Is there anything you'd like to say to
the man or any any encouraging word or
anything that you wanted to say or didn't
get you out. I I leave the ending
ending to you.
Sure.
To arm all them men
Excuse me? You're you're freezing up I'll go
ahead.
Okay. 2 or so to all them men,
you know, I... Guess they god would encourage
your hearts.
And to let you know that.
We are not perfect.
Date is the first thing that we are
not perfect perfect.
We are striving for perfection.
So it doesn't matter where you at god's
god loves you.
And he always has his own stress while
open
and asking the question, you know,
whomever will you can come... You can go
to him.
And price you will have peace?
You will have joy.
Some days, you're gonna be better there other
days Trust me. You know, we... You know,
we live what we have to understand we
live in this world. Robert obviously said, we
live in the world where we're not other
the world. February. Yeah.
But I just wanna encourage the hearts there,
you know,
got ahead... God is no respect the person.
You know, if he saves me,
like I, I wasn't trust me.
I wasn't perfect. Instead Heard but. I I've
done some things.
So if he could save me, he can
save you guys. He could save me anybody.
And we just have to trust and lean
on him, You know?
No.
There's... And I said ask, if he need
help ask escort, he was send somebody by
your way too.
That's a fact. I... I'm I'm not speaking
just you speak. I I'm, you know, I
don't could speak what I know. Right. That's
how I got to this for.
I need help. And this the thing where
you want it, when you want him? God
was we correct you
sincerely cry out to God
tell God you won't help, he will help
you.
Yeah. He would. That's this, you know,
That's fact. I know that... I know that
to be fact. You help your send somebody
to help you.
Now, let me say this.
When they help come, don't reject the help
because what what the help looks like.
That's a key for. We do that. We
got... We he cry to God and ask
god
he sending help. But because it doesn't look
like what we thought help would be, we
we we reject god. So now
we're throw it back in god's face. So
don't be that person.
Hey, man. That's like the story of the
guy that's on the roof?
And he's praying for help and god sends
him a boat,
and he
turns Yeah. Played. He's he been a helicopter
show up. Hit he sent the helicopter These
scenes up drowning and going to heaven. And
he asked guy told about god. Why don't
you say help. You said what are you
told me about? I sent you a boat,
the hell.
That that's it. You know, that that that
that's it. You know, But, no. So don't
we don't
don't reject the help.
You know? You know, at the at the
end of the day, we don't know when
our time is gonna come.
1 out Time Do, whether it'd be
life,
you know,
rapture whatever.
I want to go to heaven.
I won't park to go to heaven.
And want all all your brothers to go
to heaven as well.
Here's my thing. Do whatever it takes to
go to heaven.
That's it. Whatever it takes to go to
heaven?
That's it.
That's great words of Wisdom. My brother, great
words of Wisdom.
Well,
I joined god. I enjoyed this session.
Thank you, sir. Thank you for thank you
for taking time.
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