1 00:00:00,590 --> 00:00:06,470 You have been brought here for a purpose, the most important task of your lives. 2 00:00:06,470 --> 00:00:07,121 Cooperate. 3 00:00:07,121 --> 00:00:11,029 Do not make me destroy you. 4 00:00:11,890 --> 00:00:13,440 Welcome to the Static Podcast. 5 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:14,730 I'm your host, Anthony T. 6 00:00:14,769 --> 00:00:16,369 And this is episode 116. 7 00:00:23,049 --> 00:00:26,490 We'll be back on this Wednesday, May 29th, 2024. 8 00:00:26,950 --> 00:00:28,200 Thank you for joining me today. 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,960 I hope you had a great Memorial Day weekend. 10 00:00:31,030 --> 00:00:36,075 We hung out locally, just did Different things, went on hikes, you know, even 11 00:00:36,075 --> 00:00:39,625 went to the mall, got some savings, but I didn't want to travel, the 12 00:00:39,625 --> 00:00:42,644 traffic and stuff, I didn't know how it was going to be, so we stayed local. 13 00:00:42,724 --> 00:00:44,785 And, uh, it worked out, it was a good time. 14 00:00:44,895 --> 00:00:48,124 So this week's episode will be a little bit of a continuation of 15 00:00:48,134 --> 00:00:51,970 the last episode on the Vatican and the infiltration of Freemasons. 16 00:00:52,330 --> 00:00:55,180 I've read all the books I needed to read, or I think there's probably 17 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:57,089 more, but this is all I can do. 18 00:00:57,210 --> 00:00:59,830 And to start this week's episode off, I have a clip. 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,160 New today, the Vatican apologizing and not really denying that Pope Francis 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,689 used an offensive slur for gay men during a conversation with bishops last week. 21 00:01:10,639 --> 00:01:13,070 We've got some folks really shocked by this, especially because the 22 00:01:13,070 --> 00:01:16,800 Pope, in their view, has been pretty inclusive toward the LGBTQ community. 23 00:01:17,020 --> 00:01:18,459 Even last year, allowing priests. 24 00:01:18,735 --> 00:01:20,759 To bless some same sex couples. 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,730 Claudio Lavanga is in Rome with more. 26 00:01:23,890 --> 00:01:28,360 According to Italian media, Pope Francis used an offensive gay slur during 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,780 a closed door meeting with bishops. 28 00:01:30,830 --> 00:01:34,930 Reports of the alleged incident first appeared on a political gossip 29 00:01:34,930 --> 00:01:39,719 website called Dagospia, and was later picked up by all major news outlets. 30 00:01:39,780 --> 00:01:40,560 In Italy. 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,650 The report said that during the meeting, a bishop asked the Pope 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,550 what to do when gay men asked to be admitted to Catholic seminaries. 33 00:01:47,820 --> 00:01:52,260 The Pope reportedly said that he's against it because while it is important 34 00:01:52,260 --> 00:01:58,170 to embrace everyone, it was likely that gay men could risk leading a double life. 35 00:01:58,375 --> 00:02:03,215 He then allegedly used a highly derogatory term in Italian to say that there are 36 00:02:03,215 --> 00:02:05,765 already too many gay men in seminaries. 37 00:02:06,205 --> 00:02:10,624 In a statement, the Vatican said the Pope never intended to offend or express 38 00:02:10,624 --> 00:02:14,794 himself in homophobic terms, and he extends his apologies to those who 39 00:02:14,794 --> 00:02:17,355 were offended by the use of that term. 40 00:02:17,834 --> 00:02:22,364 Well, according to Italian media, several bishops defend the Pope by saying that 41 00:02:22,584 --> 00:02:27,429 he used the term jokingly and claimed that as an Argentinian who speaks Italian 42 00:02:27,429 --> 00:02:32,139 as a second language, he did not fully understand how offensive that word is. 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,410 But despite the justification and the Pope's apology, it is an embarrassing 44 00:02:37,410 --> 00:02:42,039 episode for Pope Francis, who, since he was elected in 2011, he repeatedly 45 00:02:42,049 --> 00:02:44,340 reached out to gay Catholics. 46 00:02:44,429 --> 00:02:48,029 Now, one of his first and still most famous quotes is what he 47 00:02:48,029 --> 00:02:52,339 said on a flight back from Brazil only weeks after he was elected. 48 00:02:52,369 --> 00:02:56,660 He said, when it comes to homosexuality, Who am I to judge? 49 00:02:56,950 --> 00:03:00,689 But now the judgment has turned on him for having allegedly 50 00:03:00,690 --> 00:03:03,249 used an unforgivable gay slur. 51 00:03:04,540 --> 00:03:06,590 And that was from NBC Now. 52 00:03:06,609 --> 00:03:08,540 That was from earlier this week. 53 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:11,049 And I believe that the slur was faggotry. 54 00:03:11,060 --> 00:03:15,000 He said there was too much faggotry in the seminaries already, which I wonder why. 55 00:03:15,230 --> 00:03:20,450 As I covered in the last episode of the Freemason progressive takeover 56 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:22,840 of the Vatican after Vatican II. 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,469 So I'm going to start off with some canon law history of the Vatican. 58 00:03:27,860 --> 00:03:31,430 So uh, Catholic canon law has forbidden membership in Masonic 59 00:03:32,250 --> 00:03:33,880 organizations since 1738. 60 00:03:35,145 --> 00:03:40,855 with Pope Clement XII's papal bull in eminenti apostolitis. 61 00:03:40,935 --> 00:03:42,015 Sorry if I butchered that. 62 00:03:42,325 --> 00:03:48,415 So canon law 2335, affiliation with Masonic or similar societies, those 63 00:03:48,415 --> 00:03:52,015 who join a Masonic sect or other societies of the same sort which 64 00:03:52,015 --> 00:03:55,595 plot against the church or against legitimate civil authority, incur 65 00:03:55,625 --> 00:04:00,735 ipso facto and excommunication simply reserved to the Holy See. 66 00:04:00,865 --> 00:04:05,905 So the Holy See being It's S E E being like the, uh, Vatican 67 00:04:06,025 --> 00:04:10,085 government apparatus, the bishops and stuff, and the Pope in charge. 68 00:04:10,085 --> 00:04:12,534 So they, they decide the excommunication. 69 00:04:13,285 --> 00:04:18,834 So that code was set in 1917, and in 1983 they changed the code of the 70 00:04:18,834 --> 00:04:24,715 Canon Law, which is Canon Law 1374, a person who joins any association 71 00:04:24,715 --> 00:04:28,164 with plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty. 72 00:04:28,165 --> 00:04:31,825 A penalty, one who promotes or takes office in such an association. 73 00:04:32,260 --> 00:04:35,150 is to be punished with an interdict. 74 00:04:35,340 --> 00:04:40,050 So they just completely removed the word Freemasonry from there and 75 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:44,269 just made it a general, and there is no more excommunication mentioned. 76 00:04:44,269 --> 00:04:48,090 It's just a penalty will be decided because they have 77 00:04:48,130 --> 00:04:49,869 infiltrated by this time. 78 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,630 This, all this went on in the 70s earlier prior to this new law. 79 00:04:54,854 --> 00:05:00,314 So again, let me do a quick rundown summary of 1978 in the Vatican, which 80 00:05:00,314 --> 00:05:05,804 1978 was known as the year of three popes because a lot of stuff was going on. 81 00:05:06,314 --> 00:05:07,784 So let's get into it. 82 00:05:08,054 --> 00:05:13,515 In 1978, during Pope Paul, the six two Cardinals, Dino Staa, and Sylvi, 83 00:05:13,575 --> 00:05:19,814 OD accused, Archbishop Bonini and Cardinal Gio of being Freemasons, 84 00:05:20,145 --> 00:05:21,585 they received a letter stating. 85 00:05:21,685 --> 00:05:25,945 This, which they had verified by Interpol before brought to the Pope. 86 00:05:26,815 --> 00:05:27,985 Uh, Paul is sixth. 87 00:05:28,345 --> 00:05:33,945 Now the list I have here, and this is from the book Murder in the 33rd 88 00:05:34,065 --> 00:05:38,535 degree, the Ganon investigation into Vatican Freemasonry. 89 00:05:38,985 --> 00:05:43,395 Uh, the, they contained an alphabetical list of Prelates and Lae, some of 90 00:05:43,395 --> 00:05:45,135 whom held positions in the Vatican. 91 00:05:45,135 --> 00:05:48,855 Among them were the names of Cardinal Jean Velo, secretary of 92 00:05:48,855 --> 00:05:50,895 State for the Vatican ba obviously. 93 00:05:53,845 --> 00:05:58,645 Agostino Casaroli, Secretary of the Council for Public Affairs of the Church. 94 00:05:58,755 --> 00:06:01,585 Pio Lehi, Nuncio to Argentina. 95 00:06:01,585 --> 00:06:04,735 Anibal Bugnini, Nuncio to Iran. 96 00:06:05,205 --> 00:06:08,715 Paul Marchinkis, President of the Works of Religion, a. 97 00:06:08,744 --> 00:06:08,994 k. 98 00:06:08,994 --> 00:06:09,004 a. 99 00:06:09,125 --> 00:06:10,144 the Vatican Bank. 100 00:06:10,825 --> 00:06:15,725 Cardinal Ugo Poletti and Leo Swenens, Franco Biffi, rector 101 00:06:15,975 --> 00:06:18,625 of the Lateran, uh, University. 102 00:06:18,935 --> 00:06:25,504 Don Virgilio Levi, director of the Ossevertori Romano, and numerous 103 00:06:25,504 --> 00:06:27,754 bishops and various Italian diocese. 104 00:06:27,774 --> 00:06:31,385 In addition to the names, the serial numbers and dates of initiation 105 00:06:31,405 --> 00:06:33,165 into Freemasonry were indicated. 106 00:06:33,585 --> 00:06:36,805 Bishop Bugnini's initiation date was listed as April 23rd, 107 00:06:36,844 --> 00:06:42,935 1963, his code number 1365 75, and his code name was Buon. 108 00:06:43,344 --> 00:06:48,314 So after hearing this list, Pope, uh, Pope Paul VI, they decided 109 00:06:48,314 --> 00:06:50,134 to start an investigation. 110 00:06:50,515 --> 00:06:54,545 And they picked, uh, Archbishop Gagnon, which was pretty much 111 00:06:54,555 --> 00:06:58,615 considered neutral out of, he didn't really was close with anybody. 112 00:06:58,615 --> 00:07:01,265 So he led this investigation. 113 00:07:01,955 --> 00:07:05,205 Um, after the completion of the investigation, Gagnon brought 114 00:07:05,205 --> 00:07:07,965 the results, which named all the culprits to Pope Paul VI. 115 00:07:08,954 --> 00:07:11,705 At the time, I think it took around two years or so. 116 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:18,630 Pope Paul VI was in bad shape and also I think the people around him which were 117 00:07:18,630 --> 00:07:20,880 involved in this list kind of got to him. 118 00:07:21,290 --> 00:07:25,799 And not only that, uh, one of his dear friends was, uh, murdered. 119 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:28,190 That friend was Aldo Moro. 120 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:31,250 That is known as the Aldo Moro case. 121 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,420 Uh, The kidnapping, this is from Wikipedia, the kidnapping and murder 122 00:07:35,420 --> 00:07:41,530 of Aldo Moro, also referred in Italy as the Moro case, was a seminal event 123 00:07:41,530 --> 00:07:45,729 in Italian political history on the morning of 16th March 1978, the day 124 00:07:45,729 --> 00:07:51,000 on which a new cabinet led by Giulio Andriati was to have undergone a 125 00:07:51,020 --> 00:07:52,980 confidence vote in the Italian parliament. 126 00:07:53,230 --> 00:07:56,640 The car of Aldo Moro, former prime minister and then president of the 127 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:02,369 Christian Democratic Democracy Party, Italy's relative majority party at the 128 00:08:02,379 --> 00:08:06,169 time was assaulted by a group of far left terrorists known as the Red Brigades. 129 00:08:06,179 --> 00:08:10,450 Firing automatic weapons, the terrorists killed Mauro's bodyguards, two Cabernet 130 00:08:10,450 --> 00:08:14,789 and Mauro's car, and three policemen in the following car, and kidnapped him. 131 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:17,469 Uh, the events remain a national trauma. 132 00:08:18,099 --> 00:08:23,330 Uh, while Italy was not the sole European country to experience extremist terrorism, 133 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:26,580 which also cornered France, Germany, Ireland, and Spain, the murder of Mauro 134 00:08:26,589 --> 00:08:30,659 was The Apogee of Italy's Years of Lead. 135 00:08:30,980 --> 00:08:38,859 On May 9th, 1978, Moro's body was found in the boot of a Renault Fort in Via Catani. 136 00:08:38,860 --> 00:08:44,309 After 54 days of imprisonment, Moro had been subjected to a political trial by a 137 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:51,265 people's court set up by the Red Brigade, uh, which had, uh, Asked the Italian 138 00:08:51,265 --> 00:08:53,405 government for exchange of prisoners. 139 00:08:53,425 --> 00:08:57,115 The car with Moro's body was found very close to both locations of the national 140 00:08:57,125 --> 00:09:03,774 offices of the, uh, Christian Democracy Party and Italian Communist Party, uh, 141 00:09:03,794 --> 00:09:10,784 in Rome, the Red Brigades were opposed to Moro and, uh, uh, historic compromise, 142 00:09:11,265 --> 00:09:15,745 uh, on June 23rd, 1983, an Italian court sentenced 32 members of the Red Brigade 143 00:09:15,745 --> 00:09:19,165 to life imprisonment for their role in the kidnapping and murder of Moro. 144 00:09:19,709 --> 00:09:23,769 And not only did you have these red grades, God, you'd had the P2 Lodge in 145 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,229 Italy, um, which was called Propaganda Dua, uh, was a Masonic Lodge founded 146 00:09:29,239 --> 00:09:33,790 in 1877 within the tradition of Continental Freemasonry and under the 147 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:35,860 authority of Grand Orient of Illory. 148 00:09:36,129 --> 00:09:40,749 Its Masonic Charter was withdrawn in 1976 and it was transformed 149 00:09:40,749 --> 00:09:45,550 by worshipful Master Licio Ghelli into an international institution. 150 00:09:45,704 --> 00:09:50,724 Illegal, clandestine, anti communist, anti Soviet, anti Marxist, and radical 151 00:09:50,724 --> 00:09:56,084 right criminal organization and secret society operating in contravention of 152 00:09:56,084 --> 00:10:01,084 Article 18 of the Constitution of Italy that ban all such secret associations. 153 00:10:01,435 --> 00:10:07,175 Lisa Ugeli continued to operate the unaffiliated lodge from 1976 to 1984. 154 00:10:07,915 --> 00:10:11,074 P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the 155 00:10:11,074 --> 00:10:17,004 collapse of the Holy See, affiliated Banco Abruzziano, the contract killing of 156 00:10:17,005 --> 00:10:22,535 journalist Carmine Peccarelli, and mobbed up bank president Roberto Calvi, and 157 00:10:22,535 --> 00:10:28,829 political corruption cases within the The nationwide Tangentopoli bribery scandal. 158 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:31,890 P2 came to light through an investigation into the collapse of 159 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:35,000 Michelle Sindona's financial empire. 160 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:39,329 As you can see, there was a lot of corruption going on in Italy at the time. 161 00:10:39,329 --> 00:10:42,460 Not only Freemasons, but organized crime. 162 00:10:42,829 --> 00:10:46,360 And, uh, they mention how it, one of the guys, this P2 163 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,430 Lodge, took down the Holy See. 164 00:10:48,935 --> 00:10:52,185 And we, I just spoke about that, that's like the government, like how they had 165 00:10:52,185 --> 00:10:58,114 that effect and, and so this pope, the sixth, and now giving this information 166 00:10:58,114 --> 00:11:02,774 that there's Freemasons infiltrated in the Vatican and his friend was just kidnapped 167 00:11:02,774 --> 00:11:07,094 and killed, uh, probably wanted, got the message and didn't want anything to do 168 00:11:07,094 --> 00:11:13,099 with it and told, uh, Gagnon that, uh, let the next Pope handle it, you know. 169 00:11:13,439 --> 00:11:16,439 Um, upset Gagnon did as he was told and waited. 170 00:11:16,479 --> 00:11:21,589 Uh, Pope Paul VI died on August 6th, 1978. 171 00:11:21,589 --> 00:11:24,250 Sorry for the rustling there of the papers, I got notes. 172 00:11:24,339 --> 00:11:29,160 So, now the next Pope was elected, which was Albino Luciani. 173 00:11:29,170 --> 00:11:32,175 He became, uh, Pope John Paul the first. 174 00:11:32,245 --> 00:11:37,215 Gagnon got a private sit down with, uh, the pope, the new pope, and informed 175 00:11:37,215 --> 00:11:42,130 him of the investigation findings, and Pope John Paul the first said 176 00:11:42,140 --> 00:11:44,330 he would do some house cleaning. 177 00:11:44,330 --> 00:11:48,110 He was a more conservative Pope and he said he would start. 178 00:11:48,180 --> 00:11:54,740 Um, one of the first people he wanted to clean house was Baggio and he wanted 179 00:11:54,740 --> 00:11:59,009 to remove him and he had to sit down with Baggio, but it was late at night. 180 00:11:59,529 --> 00:12:04,310 Um, now these people had pretty much, uh, a lot of control in the 181 00:12:04,310 --> 00:12:05,890 Vatican, all these Freemasons. 182 00:12:05,890 --> 00:12:07,690 And so they were even. 183 00:12:07,915 --> 00:12:09,945 Somewhat disrespectful to the Pope. 184 00:12:10,055 --> 00:12:11,605 Uh, he called for an early meeting. 185 00:12:11,605 --> 00:12:16,225 The guy said, I'm busy, so I'll come by later when I have time. 186 00:12:16,805 --> 00:12:21,595 And, uh, he went and met with the Pope after hours and supposedly 187 00:12:21,595 --> 00:12:23,744 there was a shouting going on. 188 00:12:23,755 --> 00:12:29,150 And, um, He left the Pope, and the next day the Pope was found dead in 189 00:12:29,150 --> 00:12:36,950 his bed, and there was, uh, no foul play was reported, no autopsy was 190 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:41,909 also done, and coincidentally, it was his 33rd day as a Pope, which 191 00:12:41,909 --> 00:12:44,500 is a very big number in Freemasonry. 192 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,800 So that's two Popes down in 1978, one more to go. 193 00:12:48,165 --> 00:12:54,755 Uh, steps in, uh, Karol Wojtyla as, uh, Pope John Paul II, the first 194 00:12:54,755 --> 00:12:58,965 non Italian pope in, I don't know, ages that was, uh, elected pope. 195 00:12:59,425 --> 00:13:03,194 And now the Vatican, the whole Vatican knows about the Gagnon 196 00:13:03,205 --> 00:13:04,734 investigation pretty much. 197 00:13:04,734 --> 00:13:06,735 Everybody hears grumblings about it. 198 00:13:07,115 --> 00:13:10,715 And instead of appointing his own staff, John Paul II 199 00:13:11,345 --> 00:13:12,915 leaves the old administration. 200 00:13:12,915 --> 00:13:18,045 And all these So called these people being on the Freemasons, he leaves them 201 00:13:18,285 --> 00:13:20,364 in place, which was kind of uncommon. 202 00:13:20,364 --> 00:13:21,254 You don't do that. 203 00:13:22,474 --> 00:13:28,654 And when, uh, he, he promises Gagnon a sit down when he returns from his 204 00:13:28,675 --> 00:13:34,724 first trip, he has the sit down and still does nothing with Gagnon after 205 00:13:34,724 --> 00:13:37,055 finding out all this information. 206 00:13:37,715 --> 00:13:39,505 Uh, there's another. 207 00:13:39,910 --> 00:13:41,180 group called the St. 208 00:13:41,189 --> 00:13:47,890 Gallen's Mafia within the, uh, Vatican that kind of gets more positions inside 209 00:13:47,890 --> 00:13:54,219 the Vatican as, uh, Pope John Paul II is Pope and he's traveling around. 210 00:13:54,229 --> 00:13:57,339 They take more of a hold of, of, of the Vatican. 211 00:13:57,349 --> 00:14:01,199 They are also a very more progressive group with an agenda. 212 00:14:01,270 --> 00:14:08,680 Uh, finally, Gagnon, you know, uh, during the investigation with the paperwork that 213 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:11,869 they received about these Freemasons, he also said that there's probably 214 00:14:11,869 --> 00:14:20,180 going to be an attack on, uh, Pope John Paul II's life out of the East and, 215 00:14:20,180 --> 00:14:22,975 uh, Like he didn't do nothing about it. 216 00:14:22,985 --> 00:14:27,005 He really didn't take it, you know, for what it was worth. 217 00:14:27,055 --> 00:14:28,435 And then when he was in St. 218 00:14:28,435 --> 00:14:29,595 Petersburg, St. 219 00:14:29,874 --> 00:14:31,735 Pope John Paul, the second was shot. 220 00:14:32,115 --> 00:14:35,404 And after he came out of hospital, or he woke up in the hospital and 221 00:14:35,405 --> 00:14:40,025 he, in the recovery room, uh, he said, please get me, uh, Gagnon. 222 00:14:40,105 --> 00:14:41,285 And they. 223 00:14:41,564 --> 00:14:46,254 began making changes and really they didn't even excommunicate these guys. 224 00:14:46,254 --> 00:14:47,824 They just gave them positions. 225 00:14:47,834 --> 00:14:54,864 Like I think they made, they sent them to Iran, like to, to, to run the church in 226 00:14:54,865 --> 00:14:58,574 Iran, where he had pretty much influence, but they didn't get rid of these guys. 227 00:14:58,995 --> 00:15:01,925 So it kind of, You know, a little skeptical there. 228 00:15:01,925 --> 00:15:05,944 Like if you know, these guys were this bad and, and trying to pull the strings 229 00:15:05,944 --> 00:15:08,724 and change the church, why wouldn't you just get rid of them completely? 230 00:15:08,724 --> 00:15:14,795 So there's still some, some element of like, uh, shenanigans for me. 231 00:15:15,244 --> 00:15:17,504 Like it's, you get rid of these people. 232 00:15:17,604 --> 00:15:21,685 Now we have to take the political climate of that whole area of Europe in the 233 00:15:21,685 --> 00:15:25,795 ninth, late seventies, which is pretty much the beginning of the cold war. 234 00:15:26,264 --> 00:15:27,604 You have all these. 235 00:15:28,714 --> 00:15:33,905 So called Freemason bishops running around the Vatican, uh, Prime Ministers and, 236 00:15:33,925 --> 00:15:39,895 uh, political leaders getting killed, uh, mobs involved, secret societies involved. 237 00:15:40,474 --> 00:15:45,314 And it, it, one of the, the head of the Vatican Bank is a Freemason, so 238 00:15:45,384 --> 00:15:49,454 there's a lot of money there, and that buys a lot of political influence. 239 00:15:50,094 --> 00:15:53,839 Now, in order to, uh, You can kill two birds with one stone. 240 00:15:53,839 --> 00:15:56,879 Here you have Karl Wojtyla, Polish Pope, right? 241 00:15:56,930 --> 00:15:59,939 Now you can say, Hey, well, we're gonna put this guy in. 242 00:15:59,949 --> 00:16:01,069 He's not Italian. 243 00:16:01,079 --> 00:16:03,379 He might not be involved in all that stuff. 244 00:16:03,389 --> 00:16:04,859 He's gonna clean up the Vatican. 245 00:16:04,899 --> 00:16:07,660 Which he almost got shot and killed, but, okay. 246 00:16:07,849 --> 00:16:12,400 He, he's trying to clean up the Vatican, and at the same time, It works for 247 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,620 him because he's head of the Vatican and we have Poland, which is, you 248 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:21,269 know, pretty much communist, uh, right now and controlled by the Russians. 249 00:16:21,669 --> 00:16:25,780 So it works for, let's say other people who would be against the 250 00:16:25,780 --> 00:16:27,580 Russians and during the cold war. 251 00:16:27,610 --> 00:16:32,080 Now, just a brief recap of, uh, Carol Fortiwa, Pope John Paul II's 252 00:16:32,110 --> 00:16:37,900 past, you know, he was, uh, in Poland and he became, he worked for a, 253 00:16:37,900 --> 00:16:41,290 uh, controversial German chemical. 254 00:16:41,365 --> 00:16:47,225 Company at the time of the war, and then he went to seminary and quickly 255 00:16:47,225 --> 00:16:52,595 arose to becoming Pope in the church and being such an influential person. 256 00:16:52,595 --> 00:16:53,405 Now, Mr. 257 00:16:53,735 --> 00:16:55,715 Or Pope John Paul ii, Mr. 258 00:16:55,715 --> 00:16:57,965 Carol Ti, I want to go into his friend. 259 00:16:58,750 --> 00:16:59,329 Dr. 260 00:16:59,329 --> 00:17:05,300 Wolf Shmunez's friend or acquaintance, um, I'm gonna read out of the 261 00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:10,119 book, uh, The Man Who Created AIDS, which is pretty much Dr. 262 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,799 Wolf Shmunez's last, like, manuscript, his come clean. 263 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,310 And this, uh, Christian Anders wrote a book and pretty much 264 00:17:18,310 --> 00:17:20,779 published this, uh, uh, book. 265 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:27,050 Manuscript of this doctor who was the successful doctor of the Hepatitis B 266 00:17:27,050 --> 00:17:30,549 trials, and he has a chapter in here. 267 00:17:30,580 --> 00:17:35,220 Chapter 9 of the book is called, My Friend the Pope, and I will read it to you now. 268 00:17:35,579 --> 00:17:37,270 Chapter 9, My Friend the Pope. 269 00:17:37,379 --> 00:17:41,780 After attack was over I sat on my bed staring into the dark, flashes from 270 00:17:41,780 --> 00:17:43,760 the past appeared before my inner eye. 271 00:17:44,139 --> 00:17:47,290 It was almost as if somebody from another plane of consciousness 272 00:17:47,310 --> 00:17:48,939 put together the pieces for me. 273 00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:54,540 They all, at least almost everybody in leading positions at the CDC, WHO, AMA, 274 00:17:54,799 --> 00:18:00,700 FDA, NCI, CIA, Merck, and Co., etc., etc., must have known of this, must have 275 00:18:00,740 --> 00:18:05,520 planned it along, Long ago, before I had even dreamed of coming to America. 276 00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:10,870 Now, I remember and understand what had happened, for instance, as far back as 277 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,699 1963 in Poland, after my return from the labor camps in Siberia, when one 278 00:18:16,699 --> 00:18:21,030 summer, I took a 10 day holiday at a state resort in the mountains, where 279 00:18:21,030 --> 00:18:22,630 I shared a room with another man. 280 00:18:23,025 --> 00:18:24,705 He was young and had great charisma. 281 00:18:24,975 --> 00:18:29,215 He was shining with almost a halo around his head, and I am not exaggerating. 282 00:18:29,575 --> 00:18:33,405 We quickly got along with each other, and during long walks together in the 283 00:18:33,405 --> 00:18:37,745 mountains, I told him about my life's dream, which was to vaccinate homosexuals 284 00:18:37,764 --> 00:18:39,645 in America against hepatitis B. 285 00:18:40,435 --> 00:18:42,515 He asked me, why in America? 286 00:18:42,515 --> 00:18:44,605 Why not in Poland or elsewhere in Europe? 287 00:18:45,065 --> 00:18:49,355 Because I knew from correspondence with American colleagues that homosexuals in 288 00:18:49,355 --> 00:18:51,565 America were organizing more and more. 289 00:18:52,075 --> 00:18:55,115 They would build the perfect cohort group for my experiment trial. 290 00:18:55,485 --> 00:18:58,905 I hadn't even heard that there were homosexuals existing in Europe, at 291 00:18:58,905 --> 00:19:00,915 least not as openly as in America. 292 00:19:01,570 --> 00:19:03,389 Why homosexuals for my trial? 293 00:19:03,709 --> 00:19:05,110 The reader knows it by now. 294 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:08,909 The immediate interest of this young man, Carl was his name, in 295 00:19:08,909 --> 00:19:13,199 my hepatitis B vaccine trial idea or plan was flattering to me. 296 00:19:13,550 --> 00:19:15,959 I love to talk and I love when somebody listens to me. 297 00:19:16,259 --> 00:19:20,659 Maybe because, in Siberia, during hard labor, I had to shut up and to work. 298 00:19:20,889 --> 00:19:23,719 Nobody would listen, and I had so many unfulfilled dreams, 299 00:19:23,719 --> 00:19:25,549 plans, projects, and ideas. 300 00:19:25,709 --> 00:19:26,789 But nobody would listen. 301 00:19:27,139 --> 00:19:29,610 And here was somebody who cared for what I had to say. 302 00:19:29,969 --> 00:19:32,879 Only my wife would listen, more devoted to me than Carol. 303 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,389 And his interest was not faked, just doing me a favor. 304 00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:37,189 It was real. 305 00:19:37,784 --> 00:19:40,444 Carol would sometimes wake me up at night and ask me all these 306 00:19:40,444 --> 00:19:42,245 questions, like, Why homosexuals? 307 00:19:42,245 --> 00:19:46,284 And how can you be sure that gay men who receive the vaccine or placebo 308 00:19:46,284 --> 00:19:51,475 would not have contact with other HIV, hepatitis B infected homosexuals, 309 00:19:51,865 --> 00:19:55,565 thus, so to speak, testing the vaccine itself for its effectiveness? 310 00:19:56,034 --> 00:19:59,135 Because, Carol, I answered, I will choose young, healthy, 311 00:19:59,135 --> 00:20:00,935 and promiscuous homosexuals. 312 00:20:01,215 --> 00:20:02,095 That is why. 313 00:20:02,435 --> 00:20:03,685 Oh, innocent Carol. 314 00:20:04,045 --> 00:20:07,585 He didn't even really know how homosexuals had sex with each other. 315 00:20:07,895 --> 00:20:08,605 I knew it. 316 00:20:08,675 --> 00:20:12,264 I had learned it the hard way when I was raped and sodomized many 317 00:20:12,265 --> 00:20:14,415 times by Russian guards in Siberia. 318 00:20:14,805 --> 00:20:16,525 But I didn't tell that to Carol. 319 00:20:16,905 --> 00:20:20,944 I only explained to him that homosexuals had oral and anal sex. 320 00:20:21,244 --> 00:20:28,010 That you could even put a fist plus forearm into a man's behind was something 321 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:31,490 that I had witnessed myself during my research in gay bars and bathhouses. 322 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,060 Thank God the guards in Russia spared me that experience. 323 00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:40,830 Today I think that it, it is all, it is anal sex which is responsible for a 324 00:20:40,830 --> 00:20:45,490 high incident rate of hepatitis B and A, although A is mainly food related. 325 00:20:45,865 --> 00:20:50,125 In gay men, the lower intestines are main breeding ground for all bacteria 326 00:20:50,145 --> 00:20:54,875 and anal sex creates a direct contact into the lower intestinal area where 327 00:20:54,875 --> 00:20:56,855 the AIDS virus preferably bleeds. 328 00:20:56,955 --> 00:21:00,835 So I talked and talked and talked to Carl for almost 10 days about my 329 00:21:00,835 --> 00:21:05,294 hepatitis B vaccine trial and how and why young healthy and promiscuous 330 00:21:05,305 --> 00:21:07,065 gay men would be the perfect cohort. 331 00:21:07,415 --> 00:21:11,205 At the end of my time, at the end of this time, it was on our last 332 00:21:11,205 --> 00:21:12,515 day together in the mountains. 333 00:21:12,515 --> 00:21:15,065 Carl and I had just finished eating our meal together. 334 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,179 When he laid his hand on my shoulder, looked me straight in the eyes and said, 335 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,620 Wolf, I have something to confess to you which I didn't dare to tell you before. 336 00:21:24,989 --> 00:21:27,549 But since we are leaving tomorrow, I think you should know 337 00:21:27,549 --> 00:21:30,489 that I, I, I, I am a Catholic. 338 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:31,429 So what? 339 00:21:31,459 --> 00:21:32,139 I asked. 340 00:21:32,329 --> 00:21:33,469 He looked at me in astonishment. 341 00:21:34,590 --> 00:21:35,989 You, you don't mind? 342 00:21:36,419 --> 00:21:38,039 Of course I mind, I teased him. 343 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:40,649 Now that I know that you are a Catholic, I won't talk to you 344 00:21:40,649 --> 00:21:42,229 anymore for the rest of my life. 345 00:21:42,259 --> 00:21:44,899 And not only that, I will also tell the KGB. 346 00:21:45,534 --> 00:21:48,945 Carol was relieved, and I thought because, I mean, you are, as 347 00:21:48,955 --> 00:21:51,125 you told me, Judeo Christian. 348 00:21:51,135 --> 00:21:55,965 I laughed until my lungs hurt, which didn't take much, because I suffered 349 00:21:55,965 --> 00:21:57,965 already back then from tuberculosis. 350 00:21:58,395 --> 00:22:02,544 My dear Carol, I gasped, I couldn't care less even if you be a Buddhist. 351 00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:04,395 You and me will always stay friends. 352 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:09,450 With tears in our eyes, we embraced each other and Carl said, Then I guess I can 353 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:11,720 or should also confess the rest to you. 354 00:22:12,270 --> 00:22:14,490 I am to become bishop very soon. 355 00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:16,859 I was truly moved and also glad for him. 356 00:22:16,859 --> 00:22:18,239 Congratulations, Carl. 357 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,970 And I added with a little smile, I hope you will still talk to me or 358 00:22:21,970 --> 00:22:23,470 remember me once you are a bishop. 359 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,169 I will always remember you, Wolf, he said with great warmth and sincerity, and 360 00:22:28,169 --> 00:22:30,120 I will help you to realize your dream. 361 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,149 One day you will be in America and you will do your Hepatitis B vaccine trial. 362 00:22:35,399 --> 00:22:36,560 Just wait and see. 363 00:22:36,989 --> 00:22:40,340 He said it with such enthusiasm and decisiveness that I did 364 00:22:40,340 --> 00:22:43,239 not want to destroy the magic of the moment by doubting it. 365 00:22:43,639 --> 00:22:47,550 But in my mind I thought, why should that dream ever come true? 366 00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:51,970 Why would they choose a little doctor from Poland to do a vaccine trial in America? 367 00:22:52,445 --> 00:22:55,655 They had their own people who were ten times better trained for such an 368 00:22:55,655 --> 00:23:01,045 experiment than I, than I, whose main job had to be look after cafeterias, check 369 00:23:01,045 --> 00:23:05,355 the food, and to maintain general health of Siberian labor camps by controlling 370 00:23:05,355 --> 00:23:09,385 the outbreak of lice, diagnosing diseases, isolating infectious people, 371 00:23:09,385 --> 00:23:11,984 and looking in general after sanitation. 372 00:23:12,384 --> 00:23:15,935 What made me a specialist in hepatitis B? 373 00:23:16,655 --> 00:23:18,135 Where were my credentials? 374 00:23:18,195 --> 00:23:19,585 Why would they choose me? 375 00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:23,150 No, there was no way that my dream would come true, but I 376 00:23:23,150 --> 00:23:24,950 did not say anything to Carol. 377 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,610 I just thanked him with all my heart for his words of encouragement, 378 00:23:29,010 --> 00:23:31,010 but most of all for his friendship. 379 00:23:31,260 --> 00:23:35,999 We kept in contact, Carl and I, and then I did not hear from him for a long time. 380 00:23:36,975 --> 00:23:40,885 In the year when my Hepatitis B vaccine trial began, I watched TV 381 00:23:40,885 --> 00:23:42,455 in New York with my wife, Maya. 382 00:23:42,855 --> 00:23:44,195 I'll never forget that day. 383 00:23:44,415 --> 00:23:46,195 They showed a report about the Vatican. 384 00:23:46,215 --> 00:23:49,355 Cardinal Chamberlain appeared on the balcony announcing the new Pope. 385 00:23:49,754 --> 00:23:50,894 And there he was, Carol. 386 00:23:50,934 --> 00:23:53,604 A bit older, but radiant and charismatic as ever. 387 00:23:53,985 --> 00:23:57,305 Carol, my friend from our walks in the mountain, had become the new Pope. 388 00:23:57,355 --> 00:23:58,565 Pope Paul II. 389 00:23:58,985 --> 00:24:01,065 That was one of the happiest days in my life. 390 00:24:01,395 --> 00:24:02,925 Today I can't say that anymore. 391 00:24:03,305 --> 00:24:04,605 Was Carol one of them? 392 00:24:04,930 --> 00:24:07,950 Whenever I had a problem, Paul and Carol was there to prevent 393 00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:09,030 the worst from happening. 394 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,940 He often sent me little messages, you see, it went well, etc. 395 00:24:13,340 --> 00:24:16,350 In 1969, I met him in the Vatican, I said. 396 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:19,720 Holy Father to him, although he wasn't yet the Pope. 397 00:24:20,050 --> 00:24:21,670 To me, Karol was always like God. 398 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:26,030 Without him, I and my family would be dead already, killed by KGB 399 00:24:26,030 --> 00:24:28,000 or simply by those who hate Jews. 400 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:30,160 Poland is full of anti Semites. 401 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:33,395 Without Karol There would be no professor Dr. 402 00:24:33,395 --> 00:24:37,045 Wolf Schmunez, professor of Columbia University School of 403 00:24:37,075 --> 00:24:40,635 for public health and chief of epidemiology New York Blood Center. 404 00:24:41,055 --> 00:24:44,404 Carol, my friend from the mountains, had become Pope Paul II. 405 00:24:44,824 --> 00:24:46,305 How far did his arm reach? 406 00:24:46,704 --> 00:24:51,215 Had he told them, Hey, I have somebody for you, a nutty Polish professor. 407 00:24:51,594 --> 00:24:56,225 He is just the right one for the job to spread the AIDS virus in gays and blacks. 408 00:24:56,485 --> 00:24:59,764 Not only that, he will even help you create the damn virus. 409 00:24:59,794 --> 00:25:02,044 How deep was Carl's involved in all this? 410 00:25:02,455 --> 00:25:04,044 How would he react to AIDS? 411 00:25:04,334 --> 00:25:08,604 Would that reaction uncover his true identity as belonging to them? 412 00:25:08,884 --> 00:25:13,315 Now there's a footnote by the author at the end and it says, uh, Dr. 413 00:25:13,315 --> 00:25:16,085 Ximenez didn't live to answer that question. 414 00:25:16,385 --> 00:25:17,605 We will do it for him. 415 00:25:17,715 --> 00:25:20,045 Here are the, here are the data. 416 00:25:20,265 --> 00:25:21,135 Only facts. 417 00:25:21,175 --> 00:25:24,854 Roman Catholics under Pope Paul II have problem with agreeing to educate 418 00:25:24,854 --> 00:25:28,575 people to wear condoms for AIDS prevention, although indeed condoms 419 00:25:28,575 --> 00:25:30,814 do not prevent you from getting AIDS. 420 00:25:31,785 --> 00:25:35,475 But the Roman Catholic Church refuses to allow the wearing of condoms, of 421 00:25:35,475 --> 00:25:37,195 course, for other reasons than that. 422 00:25:37,665 --> 00:25:41,865 Archbishop Mahoney says, in the name of the Pope, the Roman Church does 423 00:25:41,865 --> 00:25:44,295 not approve of the use of condoms. 424 00:25:44,675 --> 00:25:49,165 In the issue of AIDS, such use implies either heterosexual, 425 00:25:49,195 --> 00:25:51,475 promiscuity, or homosexual activity. 426 00:25:51,845 --> 00:25:53,605 The Church approves of neither. 427 00:25:54,045 --> 00:25:59,090 The pastoral letter from November 1986 makes it clear That the practice 428 00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:04,070 of homosexuality is an objective disorder and an intrinsic moral evil. 429 00:26:04,460 --> 00:26:09,210 Pope Paul II condemns homosexuality because it could threaten the lives and 430 00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:11,220 well being of a large number of people. 431 00:26:11,849 --> 00:26:16,370 Pope Paul II does everything possible in his power to spread the 432 00:26:16,379 --> 00:26:18,820 information that AIDS is a gay disease. 433 00:26:18,899 --> 00:26:20,860 Did he help put it into them? 434 00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:26,270 So what we have here is you have two individuals that Pretty much a rose 435 00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:32,620 to some what power with Pope John Paul, not being an Italian, a Polish 436 00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:34,890 Pope for the first time in many years. 437 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,500 And then you have this guy, dr. 438 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:41,139 Will Schumann as who is in, and he, he had an education. 439 00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:45,370 Epidemiology wasn't like he never knew anything about it, but he 440 00:26:45,380 --> 00:26:49,650 gets to come to America and work for the New York City Blood Center 441 00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:51,930 and gets his hepatitis trials. 442 00:26:52,210 --> 00:26:56,310 And he also did, supposedly, in this book, discover the AIDS virus. 443 00:26:56,399 --> 00:27:01,350 It was, uh, he took, uh, A cow virus, a bovine virus with a sheep virus 444 00:27:01,770 --> 00:27:07,069 and cultured in human tissue and it's pretty much that was the AIDS virus. 445 00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:12,599 The sheep virus was some sort of leukemia and the cow virus 446 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:17,059 was some sort of respiratory thing and it's pretty much AIDS. 447 00:27:17,129 --> 00:27:21,389 And after the trials and people, gay men started coming down with 448 00:27:21,419 --> 00:27:26,729 carposis and whatever diseases. 449 00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:30,750 He checked their blood work and he saw this virus that he had created, and 450 00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:32,510 he has no clue how it got in there. 451 00:27:32,820 --> 00:27:36,820 And that's pretty much the, that's pretty much how AIDS 452 00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:38,330 started in the gay community. 453 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:42,429 No, nobody had sex with a monkey in Africa. 454 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,979 They just did all these trials, vaccine trials all over the world, and somebody, 455 00:27:47,379 --> 00:27:52,990 somewhere, uh, put this virus into the vaccines, or it was contamination. 456 00:27:53,295 --> 00:27:57,605 Which I think the powers that be will never let us know, just like the recent 457 00:27:57,605 --> 00:28:02,704 pandemic and the vaccinations and what causes it and where it came from. 458 00:28:02,705 --> 00:28:05,985 So we all know that, but the implication here is by Dr. 459 00:28:05,985 --> 00:28:09,144 Shmuel Nesmanuel, that he feels that somebody knew. 460 00:28:10,005 --> 00:28:14,965 What they were doing and they used him to spread this AIDS virus. 461 00:28:15,995 --> 00:28:20,465 Now the author says that the Pope John Paul, you know, pretty much they 462 00:28:20,465 --> 00:28:22,934 hated gays and it was a gay disease. 463 00:28:22,934 --> 00:28:26,504 And, and, and it was to bash gays because Catholic hate. 464 00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:29,420 Gays, which is, you know, that's just the propaganda. 465 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,420 You, if you're Catholic, you're not gay. 466 00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:35,090 And if you're gay, why would you want to be Catholic? 467 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,039 It just goes, it's the propaganda. 468 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,550 They get every like, Oh, they hate gays. 469 00:28:39,579 --> 00:28:42,720 It's like, no, if you're a Catholic, you're not gay. 470 00:28:42,969 --> 00:28:44,329 It's against the religion. 471 00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:46,270 It's like not part of your faith. 472 00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:47,800 Same thing with Muslims. 473 00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:50,150 Same thing with Judaism, all the religions. 474 00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:53,880 Like there's, you're supposed to get married and have kids. 475 00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:54,730 And with. 476 00:28:55,165 --> 00:28:59,225 Homosexuality, that can't happen, right, naturally. 477 00:28:59,254 --> 00:29:04,575 So, therefore, it is not part of pretty much any religion. 478 00:29:04,764 --> 00:29:09,865 Yeah, but the Bible says, be fruitful and multiply, not be fruity and multiply. 479 00:29:09,874 --> 00:29:10,785 It doesn't happen. 480 00:29:10,845 --> 00:29:12,764 So, anyway, I digress, I digress. 481 00:29:12,764 --> 00:29:19,065 So, we have I think three scenarios here that can be possible, uh, and 482 00:29:19,075 --> 00:29:21,555 one scenario states from the St. 483 00:29:21,555 --> 00:29:25,975 Gallen Mafia book that I read, and I really didn't touch on it this way 484 00:29:26,045 --> 00:29:29,675 because it's an audio book, I didn't have any snippets, but they say that 485 00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:37,260 This, the AIDS virus, the propaganda people in the Vatican used it to kind 486 00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:42,510 of start chipping away at Catholicism saying, well, Catholics should use 487 00:29:42,510 --> 00:29:45,000 condoms so they don't get AIDS and die. 488 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,090 And that's what was the spin of it. 489 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:52,330 See, what they do is they chip away slowly at a time, slowly at a time, and, 490 00:29:52,330 --> 00:29:55,000 and condition people to what they want. 491 00:29:55,370 --> 00:30:00,985 And now we have men using women's bathrooms and men in women's sports. 492 00:30:01,085 --> 00:30:03,295 So that was like the stepping stone. 493 00:30:03,295 --> 00:30:06,665 They're like, no, Catholics should be able to use contraception 494 00:30:06,665 --> 00:30:07,925 so they don't get AIDS. 495 00:30:08,345 --> 00:30:11,255 Uh, but it's like a very pretty bad thing. 496 00:30:11,655 --> 00:30:17,305 Um, not, not to procreate for, uh, reproduction as Catholics, 497 00:30:17,305 --> 00:30:21,025 but you can see how they started, they used that as an excuse. 498 00:30:21,655 --> 00:30:27,105 The second scenario may be that there was some nefarious plan that they wanted 499 00:30:27,105 --> 00:30:32,005 to get rid of homosexuals and, you know, these two people were used for it. 500 00:30:32,725 --> 00:30:35,265 Uh, I don't see that kind of happening. 501 00:30:35,655 --> 00:30:42,965 The third, I think, the more, uh, viable scenario would be that 502 00:30:42,975 --> 00:30:47,135 maybe since the Vatican was going through such stuff, They needed a 503 00:30:47,135 --> 00:30:52,085 distraction, and what's better than a distraction than some sort of pandemic? 504 00:30:52,455 --> 00:30:57,755 And they released this AIDS virus as a pandemic, and that pretty much took up all 505 00:30:57,755 --> 00:30:59,855 of the 80s, and that was the big thing. 506 00:30:59,855 --> 00:31:03,725 People were dying, and then everybody kind of forgot about the Vatican, right? 507 00:31:04,295 --> 00:31:06,015 And who else did it benefit? 508 00:31:06,055 --> 00:31:10,235 Well, it benefited the drug companies, of course, and trials, and here we go, 509 00:31:10,235 --> 00:31:11,835 and you see how much money they make. 510 00:31:12,375 --> 00:31:18,245 Um, and in that book, The Man Who Created AIDS, it seems like it's an ongoing 511 00:31:18,245 --> 00:31:22,785 cycle, you know, there's vaccine patents, there's a lot of money to be made, 512 00:31:22,785 --> 00:31:25,415 so it's 2024 and they're still at it. 513 00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:26,470 Here's a clip. 514 00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:31,460 All right, there's a second case of a human catching bird flu 515 00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:33,670 from an infected cow in the U. 516 00:31:33,670 --> 00:31:33,930 S. 517 00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:36,810 And it's the latest case coming from Michigan, after a similar 518 00:31:36,810 --> 00:31:39,030 report came out of Texas last month. 519 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:41,850 Both people infected are dairy farm workers. 520 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,040 So here with me now in Studio 57 is Dr. 521 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:44,750 Selim Gounder. 522 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:47,470 She's a CBS News medical contributor and editor. 523 00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:51,800 Editor at large for public health at Kaiser Family Foundation. 524 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,520 Thank you so much for joining us. 525 00:31:53,530 --> 00:31:56,990 So we were talking before this upstairs and I said, okay, two cases. 526 00:31:57,660 --> 00:32:00,160 How big of a deal is this health concern? 527 00:32:00,180 --> 00:32:05,020 Should I be the general public is still at risk for bird flu. 528 00:32:05,050 --> 00:32:10,780 I think the key point here is that we are seeing sporadic cases among dairy workers. 529 00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:13,760 We are hearing many reports of dairy workers who have pink eye, 530 00:32:13,790 --> 00:32:16,560 which is the most characteristic symptom of this right now. 531 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,580 And this is concerning because the more you see this virus in people, in cattle, 532 00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:27,600 in other mammals, the more opportunities it has to mutate to Adapt and eventually 533 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,810 adapt for human to human spread. 534 00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:33,240 Now, that's not going to happen tomorrow, but there's a lot we can be 535 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,620 doing now to prevent the next pandemic. 536 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:39,700 And this is precisely what we're really focused on is how do we prevent 537 00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:41,480 that next pandemic from happening. 538 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,140 And so, I mean, the likelihood of anyone getting bird flu, you 539 00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:46,410 said it's pretty low, but what are the symptoms and how bad is it? 540 00:32:46,830 --> 00:32:46,990 Yeah. 541 00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:50,370 So the most important symptom is conjunctivitis, uh, that we're seeing. 542 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,390 So the pink eye that you can get with other infections as well. 543 00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:57,100 Um, fluey symptoms, people feeling fatigued, you know, 544 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,560 muscle aches, that sort of thing. 545 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,450 Um, we're not seeing too much in the way of respiratory symptoms because the 546 00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:06,509 infections we're seeing right now by and large are eye infections, not flu. 547 00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:07,830 respiratory infections. 548 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,450 That's good to know. 549 00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:08,720 Dr. 550 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,390 Celine Gounder. 551 00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:10,440 Thank you so much. 552 00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:11,440 Yeah. 553 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,150 It's nothing to be worried about because we're not birds. 554 00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:17,350 These people keep bamboozling you in the book. 555 00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:23,230 It says you can't, if you, if it's a bird flu or bird virus, you're not a bird. 556 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,200 You can't get it. 557 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,140 And the only way you get it, if is they mess with it in a lab and 558 00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:34,160 they culture it in human tissue, and then it becomes, it can. 559 00:33:34,570 --> 00:33:37,400 Replicate in humans, and then it becomes an issue. 560 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:41,920 This thing that it's going to a cow, and then some, and it's pinkeye. 561 00:33:42,890 --> 00:33:47,700 I don't know, I'm not a farmer, but I'm pretty sure that there's cow shit in a 562 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:52,710 farm, in a dairy farm, and maybe somebody didn't wash their hands and touched some 563 00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:55,950 cow shit and touched their eye and got pinkeye, cause that's pretty much it. 564 00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:58,800 Pinkeye is fecal matter in the eye, usually. 565 00:33:59,095 --> 00:34:02,995 And just like with the AIDS virus, they came up with some cockamamie 566 00:34:03,005 --> 00:34:06,755 story that some guy had sex with a monkey and got it in Africa and then 567 00:34:06,755 --> 00:34:08,625 spread it around all over the world. 568 00:34:08,975 --> 00:34:13,495 I mean, they, you know, you look at the shit now, back, it's just 569 00:34:13,495 --> 00:34:14,895 ridiculous what they tell you. 570 00:34:14,895 --> 00:34:16,165 Same thing with the COVID. 571 00:34:16,615 --> 00:34:18,565 Somebody ate a bat. 572 00:34:18,605 --> 00:34:19,505 No wet market. 573 00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:21,030 That doesn't happen. 574 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,710 As a human species, we would not be here, we would not make it that long 575 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:27,610 if we could catch animal viruses. 576 00:34:27,610 --> 00:34:28,460 We'd be dead. 577 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,150 Amount of chickens that people eat, amount of beef that people eat, 578 00:34:33,460 --> 00:34:35,860 the amount of You would be dead. 579 00:34:35,870 --> 00:34:38,360 We wouldn't be here if that worked like that. 580 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:45,725 They are making this stuff For purposes of selling vaccines and not telling you 581 00:34:45,725 --> 00:34:51,795 and coming up with well, you got it from some animal cats Cats have feline AIDS. 582 00:34:52,135 --> 00:34:54,075 You would be dead if that happened. 583 00:34:54,355 --> 00:34:57,715 You would have AIDS from cats You it would you'd be dead cats have 584 00:34:57,725 --> 00:35:01,850 many diseases people have Everybody has, a lot of people have cats. 585 00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:06,490 A cat shits in your house in a box, and then walks around, buries it, 586 00:35:06,490 --> 00:35:09,160 and then walks around and steps on your face and stuff like that. 587 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,480 If, if diseases worked like that, you would be dead. 588 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,350 This is all made up. 589 00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:15,870 This is all 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