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Youhavebeenbroughthereforapurpose.

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Themostimportanttaskofyourlives.

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Cooperate.

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Donotneedmetoseeyou.

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WelcometotheStaticPodcast.

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I'myourhostAnthonyT.

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AndthisisEpisode109.

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Allright,andweareback.

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Thankyouforjoiningmetoday.

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ItisTuesday,March19,2024.

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Marchisflyingby.Ihopeyouarewell.

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Thankyouforjoiningmetoday.

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AndtodayI'mgoingtodoalittlebitsomething

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closertomyheart,whichisaviation.

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I'mprettysureeveryonesawthestoriesaboutsituation

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whenBoeing.

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Ipersonallyamfromtheaviationindustryoriginally.

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That'swhatIwanttocollegeforinadifferentfield,

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samefield,differentmodeoftransportation,

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let'sjustsaythat.

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SoIwillgiveyousomeofmybackground

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andwhat'sgoing--whatIthinkishappeninginaviationtoday.

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Allright,nowIalwayswantedtodosomethingmechanical

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withmyselfforliving.

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IliketinkeringwithtoysandstuffwhenIwasyoung

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andwatchmyoldmanworkoncars.

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Initially,Iwantedtogoformechanicalengineering.

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Istartedayeartowardthatandkindofthewholeschool

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thingwith--Ihadtodomathagain.

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Andlikeanthropologyandthatkindofdissuadedme.

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SoItransferred.

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Ialwayslikedplanes.

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SoIfoundaschoolwherewasgearedtowardaviation

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maintenance.

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AndIwenttothatandIgraduatedwithabachelor's

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inaviationtechnology.

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Sothatismybackground.

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HowIforgotoneveryimportantdetailbeforeIgoon

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isthatIamnotsuicidal.

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Idonotfeellikekillingmyself,notjustjoking.

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Ishouldn'tjoke.

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Butyes,thereisnowhistleblowingthinghere.

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It'sjustmyexperienceofwhathappened--

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whatIfeelhappenedintheaviationindustry.

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Andthisisnottheonlytimeeveryindustrygoesthroughchanges.

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AndIthinkthisishappeningeitheragoodwayorabadway

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fortheaviationfieldyettobeseen.

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Buttheygothroughchanges.

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Ithasinthepastalso.

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Now,let'sgetintoit.

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Solikeeveryoneelse,Imarveledatayoungageofhowanairplane

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works,howyougetthisbigthingfullofpeople,shootitdown

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arunway,goup,andflys,andgetsplaces,andlandsafely

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withaprettyimpeccablerecordwithoutcrashes.

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Andthatgotmeintothefield.

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Andgoingformyeducationtowardthisfield,

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Ilearned--youlearnmanythingsinmaintenance.

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Youlearnfromhydraulicstoenginestostructurestopneumatics,

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tohydraulics,electronics,electricity,everythingiscovered.

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Airplaneisagreatengineeringfeat.

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Manydedicatedpeoplegetintothisbecauseit'sactually

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Peopleenjoyit.

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It'snotajob.

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Itisacareer.

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Itisalmostalifestyleforpeople.

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Itisahighlysafety-sensitiveindustry.

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Randomdrugtests,thereisnoshenanigans.

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anythingthat'snotsupposedtobeinyoursystem.

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We'veheardstoriesaboutpilotsgettingdrunk,flyingyet.

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Thattheimportanceofsafetyinthisfieldthateverybody

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realizesisit'snotacar,andit'snotatrain.

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butyou'reprettymuchsafeifyourcarbreaksdown.

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Atrainbreaksdown.

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youaremeetingyourdoomfrom30,000feetdown.

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theymakeyouwellawareofitfromyouremployerforanairline

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totheprocessofgettingaccesstoanairportandairport

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Ifyou'reeverinaterminalandyoulookoutintotheairport

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whenyou'rewaitingtogetonyourplane,

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itjustlookslikeamess.

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Likethere'scarts,there'splanes,there'speople

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wavingonplanes.

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Itisonceyoulearnhoweverythingworks.

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itlooksalittlecrazy,butit'sveryorganized.

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Everybodytakestheirjobveryseriously.

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Plainsarenotcheap.

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Nobodywantstodamageaplane.

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Youdon'twanttodriveintoitwithavehicle,afoodcart.

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Itdoeshappen.

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Repairsareverycostly.

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Now,alittlebitofhistoryoftheaviationindustry,

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I'mnotgoingtogointotherightbrothersandstuff.

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ThisisjustwhatIcaughtwhenIgotintothefieldin2000

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rightaftercollege.

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AndIheardstories.

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Yougetthestoriesfromtheoldtimersofhowitwas,

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thegoldendays.

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Sowhattheymeantbythegoldendayswas

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aviationwasregulatedindustrypriorto1978,which

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meantthatyoucansaypan-m.

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Idon'tknowifpeople'sheardofpan-m.

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Pan-mwasalargeairline.

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wentfromNewYorkintointernationalEurope.

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domestic,pan-mflewinternational.

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Theywereable--priceswerehigher,butyougotbetterservice.

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Theservicewastopnotch.

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Therewasnocrampedspace.

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Sohere'salittlethingfromtheNationalAirandSpace

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Museums,SmithsonianfromDecember17,2021,

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airlinederegulation,whyeverything--

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allowingairlinestosettheirownfaresandroutes,

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andeventthattransformedthecommercialairlineindustry

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inthepassengerexperience.

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enabledairlinestoprosperintheirinfancy,

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butalsokeptfareshighandpreventedairlines

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aviation,hadoutliveditsusefulness,

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two-starcongressionalinvestigators

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comparedfaresofregulatedairlinesflying

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low-over-fairsweepingchangeswasneeded.

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Most airlines strongly opposed the regulation

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and encouraged their employees to lobby against its passage.

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Their fears of a destabilized industry

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would prove to be well-founded.

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Cornell University Economist Alfred Econ was

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among the first to view the airline industry strictly

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He believed that breaking up the industry structure

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would create new airlines, increased competition,

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President Carter appointed him chairman

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of the Civil Aeronautics Board to lead the nation

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into airline deregulation.

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Passed with bipartisan support, the airline deregulation act

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phased out the Civil Aeronautics Board

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and immediately lifted restrictions on fares and access

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Airlines can now fly where they wanted

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and charge what the market would bear.

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Established airlines rushed to gate on preserve access

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to most lucrative routes.

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New airlines quickly formed, fierce competition resulted

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Passengers flocked to airports in record numbers.

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D-regulation spurred the creation of dozens of new airlines

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and prompted many smaller airlines to expand

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people's express presidential New York air

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and other new airlines arose.

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Local and regional airlines like Air Florida, Frontier,

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and Ozark tried to expand nationally.

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Eastern, Braniff Delta, Continental, Western, and Northwest

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also extended their network to compete

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with the largest carriers.

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Southwest, Air California, and Southwest expanded too,

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faced with all this new competition,

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established airlines tried to lower passengers

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with lower fares and curb cost by cutting cabin service.

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D-regulation also lifted restrictions where airlines could fly.

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a hub and spoke system used using a few major airports

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as central connecting points.

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This strategy maximized aircraft use increased passenger load

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and kept more aircraft flying.

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But it also increased airport and air traffic congestion

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and eliminated many convenient non-stop flights.

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the lack of competition often led to higher fares.

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When recession hit in the early 1980s compounded

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by an air traffic controller strike in 1981,

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the industry began to suffer losses.

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Many airlines had over expanded and found themselves desperately

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fighting for a share of a decreasing market,

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large well-managed, well-financed airlines such as America,

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United Delta, whether to storm their 1980s,

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but Braniff, Eastern, and many others could not

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and were forced into bankruptcy and extinction.

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Struggling to survive airlines cut wages and benefits,

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but the strategy resulted in strikes and lower productivity.

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Operations were streamlined and thousands of employees laid off.

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some feared these efforts would compromise safety,

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especially if near necessary maintenance was deferred

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to save money, but these fears proved groundless.

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Mergeomania swept through the industry.

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old names such as National Western Piedmont, Ozark Pacific

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Southwest and Air Cal were gone.

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including people's express and New York air.

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Once the United States leading international airline

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Pan Am's level of service faltered in the 1970s

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and the airline began to lose passengers.

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it brought national airlines in 1980,

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but the merger proved costly.

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The airline began selling its assets,

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including its lucrative Pacific routes

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and the famous Pan Am building in New York.

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The bombing of Pan Am flight 103 over Lacka, B. Scotland,

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in 1988, dealt the further blow.

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America's leading international carrier since 1928,

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Pan American ceased flying in December 1991.

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Southwest Airlines is an example of an airline

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that prospered from deregulation.

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Southwest began as a small carrier flying between Houston

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and Dallas under herb-keller's innovative management.

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It quickly grew into one America's largest,

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most efficient and most profitable airlines.

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Enphasizing, quote unquote,

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no frills cabin service and using only Boeing 737s

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to minimize costs,

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Southwest Pioneer Direct Service

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between underserved downtown airports

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in large metropolitan areas in smaller cities,

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to sidestep competition and moved into satellite airports

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of major cities.

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Southwest became a model for a new generation of airlines.

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Since deregulations, travels have benefited,

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travelers have benefited from low fares

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and more frequent service on heavily traveled routes.

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On other routes, fares have risen.

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But in exchange for low fares, passengers

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have had to sacrifice convenience and amenities.

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What would you be willing to sacrifice for a cheaper fare?

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All right, so in that article,

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there was many more airlines that closed,

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then actually they mentioned one prosperous airline

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which was Southwest that they said,

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oh, they benefited from this whole thing.

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But all the ones that opened up into time of deregulation

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and like this boom period,

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they all busted and everyone went down.

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And there's a saying in the aviation industry,

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it's losers beat winners in the aviation industry.

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For the amount of successful airlines there are,

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there's way more unsuccessful airlines.

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And this is partly due to deregulation

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as the article asked, what are you willing to give up

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for cheaper fares?

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Where we're at the point where you have to buy even peanuts

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on a flight, next is you're gonna have to fix your own plane

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the way it sounds, but I'm getting into that in a little bit.

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So that was pretty the last major big change

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into aviation industry and even all these airlines

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were starting and collapsing.

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There was still one major stable thing here

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is majority of the aircraft were Boeing.

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There was McDonald Douglas also,

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but most part Boeing ran the game

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and their planes were reliable.

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All the airlines were familiar.

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Maintenance practices were familiar

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everybody knew the maintenance practices.

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They Boeing was America's aviation manufacturer.

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So let's fast forward to 2000, a little bit before.

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I was going to school.

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I was also working at the airport as a baggage handler

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and airline I worked for at that time had 727s.

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It was they ran a regional route between DC, New York

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and Boston and they had the 727s

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and 727s were workhorses.

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I mean, pretty much like a flying tank,

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loud they actually had to manufacture hush kits

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because they're special things on the engine

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because they were so loud to like kind of dampened the noise.

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And you know, the Boeing just created planes that worked

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they were reliable, dependable parts everywhere.

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They were pretty much like the Ford

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of the aviation industry.

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So the 727 was phased out and then the 737

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became kind of its predecessor was like the same size.

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It was good.

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It was a dependable plane.

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A lot of people use a lot of airlines to use them.

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They weren't too big.

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They weren't too small.

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It served the purpose.

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So now I'm going to delve into the little bit

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of the maintenance part of aviation

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and what I know and what I have experienced is pretty much

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it's a very, very, very well designed maintenance program.

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You have to get training, you have to be certified.

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There's two certifications.

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You need an airframe and a power plant.

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You can actually get your power plant and airframe

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out of high school.

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There are aviation high schools that are trade schools

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where you can get out of high school

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and you can actually work on planes.

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This is all, there's a test at the end.

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It's all FAA regulated.

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It's on up and up.

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You have to have so many hours of education

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and practical labs and stuff and so on and whatever.

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So it's not like I just go out and apply

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and become my aircraft mechanic.

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Now, the whole process of working on a plane,

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the maintenance manual, they have it so very well detailed.

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You're not allowed to work on it.

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Let's say I check the oil on an airplane every day.

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I do this job every day on an airplane.

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I cannot do that job

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without the proper maintenance manual procedure in my pocket.

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If the FAA was to come on the airport

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and see me on the aircraft doing something,

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they have the right to ask me for the paperwork.

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That is because they do not want anyone working

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out of memory.

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Humans make mistakes.

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Procedures change.

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This is the way they want you to look at the manual

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'cause the manual is always updated.

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If there was an issue with maintenance practice

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that manual will be updated,

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you're supposed to check it before when you start work,

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what jobs you have, okay, I need this procedure

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and this procedure.

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If there's anything that's changed,

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it will be noted in there.

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So you do not do old practices that maybe don't work

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or there's an issue somebody reported.

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That's how well the maintenance procedure

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and the maintenance program for these aircrafts

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and these airlines have.

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Another way you can describe this is they try

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to dummy-proof the maintenance practices.

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There is, it tells you what parts you need.

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It actually gives you the part number.

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You can click on the part number.

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It'll actually tell you if your maintenance location

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has that in stock, that's how everything.

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This is like one of the first ever,

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in the 2000s, I saw like a well.

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I haven't seen a maintenance program that well

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as an aviation, like that computer program

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where you can find everything.

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It links you to the IPC, which you could get a visual.

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Even if you never did the job,

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you can figure out what has to be replaced,

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what has to be shut off, taken off, what parts.

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There is no reason you, you won't have to know.

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One of the reasons they do this,

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there's a very, I learned this in getting out of college.

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Everyone thinks that the aviation is done in a hanger,

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all the maintenance is done in a hanger.

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Every airline has a hanger.

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This is not true.

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Airlines land in places, let's say the Caribbean,

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there's a small island you land,

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many people you actually walk out onto a tarmac.

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Some places do not have maintenance hubs.

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There's a mechanic there.

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And that mechanic, even if he's certified,

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he has to be able to know exactly what to do on that plane.

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There might be no, like he's it.

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We aircraft mechanics sign off on their work.

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I am fully responsible.

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If something was happened to that plane,

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they go to the last person who signed off on that plane

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and they say what's going on.

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And you can get fined and jail time and everything.

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You are responsible for it.

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And that's what kind of keep kept the industry

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as tight of maintenance-wise as it is

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because your ass is on the line, no other way to put it.

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So what has happened that now we find

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all these maintenance disasters happening?

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Well, I kind of feel that I was in the right time

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of aviation to see what happened kind of,

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and there's this little other aircraft manufacturer

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called Airbus that everybody knows about now.

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And before when Airbus now bowings getting,

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all the bad press, at the time,

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Airbus was getting bad press.

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Let's go back to June 26, 1988.

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Air France flight 29, 6, Q, was a chartered flight

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of a new Airbus A32111 operated by Air France

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for Air Charter International.

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The plane crashed while making a low pass

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over Mollhaus Habisham Airfield

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as part of the Habisham Air Show.

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Most of the crash sequence would occur

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in front of several thousand spectators was called on video.

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This particular flight was a A321's first passenger flight

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and most of those on board were a journalist

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and raffle competition winners.

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Having won tickets as part of a promotional event

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by local businesses.

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Many, including several on-accompanied children,

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had never previously been on an airplane.

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The low speed flyover was with landing gear down

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was supposed to take place at an altitude of 100 feet.

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Instead, the plane performed the flyover at 30 feet,

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skin the treetops of the forest at the end of a runway

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and crashed.

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And that little stunt there pretty much almost put Airbus

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out of business.

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That was like the Air Maiden flight of the...

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And now this A320 was like the technologically advanced

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to aircraft.

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If you think about this and if you know anything about cars,

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think like Boeing is the Ford GMC and Airbus was like the Honda.

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And so they released this plane

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and it's the latest and greatest

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and it's supposed to be efficient and everything.

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And here it goes on its Maiden flight at Air Show

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and crashes at the end of the runway.

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So let's just say after seeing that airlines

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weren't picking up the phone and putting in orders for Airbus,

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right?

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Nobody wants that.

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And it's like any new car that comes out,

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you're not supposed to get the newest, latest

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and greatest model because they haven't worked out the kinks.

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And unfortunately, this is what happens

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when you don't work out the kinks with Aircraft,

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death and destruction.

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Now what actually happened with that crash

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is a bunch of things factors came together.

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Everybody was used to flying Boeing's.

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Boeing's were the predominant aircraft manufacturer.

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And along came Airbus and Airbus is at the time

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where pretty technologically advanced,

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they came out with full fly by wire.

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They had a strict flight envelope, meaning Boeing,

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you can fly like a cowboy, plane, no problem.

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Airbus computers wouldn't let that,

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because there's structural factors.

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It's they made a tight flight envelope for efficiency

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and structurally rise.

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They don't want you beating up on the airplane.

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So the plane won't allow you to do certain things,

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like fly low.

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So what the pilot had to do was they had to pull a bunch

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of breakers to be able to get this plane to fly that low,

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because normally that plane's like your too low,

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your wheels are down, you're not going fast enough,

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it won't let you.

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So they bypassed a couple of systems,

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and they got this plane to fly like it,

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but at the end when the guy wanted to pull up,

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the plane wasn't doing anything,

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and that's why it crashed at the end of the runway.

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So Airbus kept facing these kind of operational problems.

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One I know is that there was a mechanic,

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Northwest had an Airbus, and there was a mechanic,

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where they went to taxi to plane,

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Aircrafts can taxi to plane if they have to do an engine run up

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or something, or something like that.

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And they were coming back to the gate,

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and I'm not sure the details, I forgot it's been many years,

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I don't know if the guy let the other mechanic taxi to plane

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who is not qualified.

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So basically you have to do like a stop before the gate

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to check your brakes, so if your brakes don't fail,

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you don't work ration into the gateway or the terminal.

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But what happened is this guy wasn't familiar with Airbus

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and fly by wire.

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There's a little delay when you increase the throttle

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in Airbus, it's not a direct connection,

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I gotta go to computers, computers gotta check everything

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and then it starts.

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So this guy pulled the throttle, was ready to go up close to the gate.

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He pulled the throttle up a little bit, nothing was happening.

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He pulled the throttle up a little more.

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At that time, everything kicked in,

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the engine spooled up too fast, the plane took off before he had a time

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to hit the brakes and it smashed into the target I was parked

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in front of great sheer, the nose gear,

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the plane fell out and its nose busted the engine.

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And I remember looking at that aircraft in the hangar

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and Airbus had to come in and do measurements and stuff

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and see if it was at a line and I think it was at a line

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that had to scrap the plane, they saved everything they could.

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But structurally it wasn't worth repairing.

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So things like this happened and that's just that Boeing

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was predominantly, everybody was used to Boeing

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and Airbus came in and they were having issues.

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Now after all this, you think Airbus would have went belly up

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but they actually survived due to a little airline

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that came out in 1999 called JetBlue

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and JetBlue had all 8, 320 families

518
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and they arrived on the scene in New York

519
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,160
and they had these brand new Airbus is painted

520
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:44,880
with these cool logo logos and they had a very new kind of feel to them.

521
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:51,720
Now business wise, they, again, losers beat out winners

522
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,040
in the airlines.

523
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,720
They actually got kind of lucky where they made a deal with Airbus,

524
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,400
you know, they got the least all brand new planes.

525
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,120
So any, they didn't have to worry about any heavy maintenance

526
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,600
for a while brand new planes, good stuff lie them.

527
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,720
Any big issues, Airbus has warranty, it's covered,

528
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,120
you just do regular maintenance and you go.

529
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:18,160
So they opened up a hanger.

530
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,080
JetBlue had a lot of help from Chuck Schumer at the time

531
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,240
of bringing them into New York.

532
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,080
They built a little hanger so they were a new kid on the block

533
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,480
and they kind of attracted a lot of eyes because, you know,

534
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,600
there wasn't a new, really they had a very big ad presence.

535
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,280
There was ads everywhere for them.

536
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:43,920
They had, you know, snazzy commercials and new planes.

537
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,720
I think they were like one of the first airlines that had headsets.

538
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,920
Every, every seat had like a TV in them before TVs would flop down

539
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,560
from the overhead in front of you.

540
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,480
But now they, I think they had the first ones that had an actual seat

541
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,600
and you can, then they had XM radio.

542
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,360
So the flights were very, very nice. People loved them and they,

543
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,360
like flew a couple of places.

544
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,840
They didn't reply but the prices were reasonable.

545
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,960
They also got a deal on their jet fuel futures, I believe.

546
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,400
I remember that was the thing that they bought jet fuel,

547
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,880
jet fuel futures for very cheap.

548
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,640
And that's how they kind of survived through 9/11 attacks.

549
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,680
They kind of still kind of, because that would have probably

550
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,080
put any new airline down, but they survived.

551
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,120
And that, that was a very big boost for Airbus.

552
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:44,360
Now Airbus is, Airbus is made very efficient.

553
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:48,880
There, you know, you, you, you don't even top off the tanks.

554
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,520
If you're going from here to Florida, you can fuel up as much as you need

555
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,520
and get there and not worry.

556
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:03,720
But they are, there was a big push maintenance wise

557
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,760
that even though you are an aircraft mechanic,

558
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,480
you, you had to go to a three week Airbus school

559
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,920
because they didn't want issues happening like with that test flight.

560
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,080
And, you know, the practices were different.

561
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,280
They wanted you, Airbus wanted you to be very familiar

562
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,000
with their aircrafts and what and what not to do

563
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,960
to kind of break that whole Boeing mindset.

564
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,760
I personally worked for airline as a mechanic

565
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,360
that only flew Airbus is and I also had to attend the school.

566
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,160
And even after I attended the three week school,

567
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,840
I had to sit on, I had to follow around another mechanic,

568
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:42,720
help them do work.

569
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,120
And I couldn't even sign off the paperwork yet.

570
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,600
You had to do like three weeks of like on the job trading

571
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,120
before you would get your own stamp

572
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,840
where you could sign off your own work.

573
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,480
So they made a very big effort of not getting,

574
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,800
getting people familiar with their aircraft.

575
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,480
And now other airlines noticed this little company,

576
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,200
JetBlue making money and all these,

577
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,560
and other airlines started putting in orders for the Airbus.

578
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,560
And they have different size, 8, 320s, a popular one,

579
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,440
they have bigger ones, but they had a pretty,

580
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,480
pretty small, small selection of aircraft.

581
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,920
But they people's airline started ordering them

582
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,640
because they saw what was happening

583
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,680
and I think they were giving them a very good lease deal

584
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,920
on the prices and the maintenance packages and stuff like that.

585
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,320
So airlines jumped on it.

586
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,320
And I think this caught Boeing off guard

587
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,440
because they had such a hold on the market.

588
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,960
They didn't think this was going to happen, but it happened.

589
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,000
And I think at the time Boeing fell victim to the same thing

590
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,680
that happened to the car companies in Detroit.

591
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,760
They thought they were probably too big to fail.

592
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,240
A lot of union workers, a lot of bills,

593
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,560
and once those orders didn't come in,

594
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,040
they started hitting some financial troubles

595
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,360
and now it was time for them to catch up.

596
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,840
Now Airbus is a French company,

597
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,160
but it's pretty much a global, a EU company.

598
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,440
They split up their manufacturing

599
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,200
across many different countries.

600
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:19,080
So they probably didn't have the, maybe labor cost that Boeing had

601
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:25,200
and the restrictions of whatever it is doing business

602
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,840
in America, especially as Boeing.

603
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,320
Now you have to re-engineer your planes,

604
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,320
you have to pretty much re-engineer your business

605
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,000
to compete with Airbus.

606
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:43,000
And I think all those factors hurt Boeing recently.

607
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,560
And you can see what's happening.

608
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,040
It looks maybe the way the world is going right now

609
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,240
that it might be a little push by the globalist

610
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,520
because Airbus is a EU company and it's good

611
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,840
and it spreads work around every country.

612
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,240
And I think Boeing is feeling the pressure now

613
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:10,200
from the powers that be to, you know,

614
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,480
there's corporate shenanigans that go on.

615
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400
So, and by corporate shenanigans

616
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,720
like this recently door plugged that blue out,

617
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,080
the plane didn't crash, no one was in,

618
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,200
slide injuries, no one died, the plane landed,

619
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,040
the overall it was okay, count your blessings.

620
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,560
And they blew this thing up,

621
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,280
like this thing crashed into like a nursery school

622
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,760
and killed everybody on board that it was so bad.

623
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,560
The way they covered this story, to me it seemed like

624
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,640
the powers that made the media had more interest

625
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,640
in promoting Airbus than Boeing.

626
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,240
So they took the opportunity

627
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,320
and they just kind of just pounded it into the ground.

628
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,000
And all looked, their doors are blowing out plugs

629
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,120
which they shouldn't.

630
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,240
But things happen, me being in the airline industry

631
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,720
for a few years, things happen, jet engines go out,

632
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,920
they fly back on one engine.

633
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,640
You had a miracle on the Hudson,

634
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,760
the guy landed, nobody was hurt, everybody got out,

635
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,840
like things happen, but the way they covered this door plug

636
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,880
blowing out was in my opinion, a little out of control.

637
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,400
And with the whole green movement,

638
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,040
I feel the aviation industry is under attack

639
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,960
because green, you got to fly green

640
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,800
and aircraft let's face it,

641
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,520
they burn a lot of jet fuel to get you to places.

642
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,240
And I hope the aviation industry stays resilient

643
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,160
from airlines to manufacturers.

644
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,440
I know that people, that there are people still

645
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,680
to have the passion for aviation.

646
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,680
And I hope they don't give up and don't let that industry

647
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,640
go down the tubes or let somebody else pick it up

648
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,440
because it is a great industry.

649
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,720
It's not just a job, it is a career.

650
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,560
And I hope it lasts.

651
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,880
And it's a great opportunity for young people too.

652
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,720
It's a great place to learn many different skills.

653
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,160
So that's my two cents.

654
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,400
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655
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,240
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656
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,520
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657
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,640
or it's just the temperature, the roller coaster,

658
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,000
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659
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,840
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