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Go, you got your light.

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Okay, cool.

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Hi, my name is Bill Boisenalt.

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On behalf of the Academy of

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Orthopedic Physical Therapy,

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I want to welcome you and

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thank you for joining us as

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we continue our time travel

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back through the 50 years of the Academy.

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1974,

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the orthopedic section was officially

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approved by the APTA.

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So this being 2024 marks a

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big birthday for the Academy,

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its 50th year.

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The Academy has undertaken a

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number of activities to

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celebrate the past, honor the past,

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including developing a

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timeline of historical events.

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And the purpose of these

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conversations is to

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highlight events that

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occurred that not only

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impacted the Academy itself,

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but also the profession,

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so on a wider basis.

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And the purpose of these

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couch conversations is to

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look at those events that, again,

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shaped the Academy,

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shaped the profession,

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And we're going to do so

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through the eyes of three

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individuals who played key

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roles in the formative

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years of the Academy and

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also blazed the trail for

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women to assume leadership

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roles within the Academy.

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So it's my pleasure,

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my honor to introduce Babette Sanders,

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Jan Richardson, and Nancy White.

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Babette, amongst other things,

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chaired the Illinois

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Orthopedic Study Group in late 1970s.

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This was an initiative

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undertaken by the section

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to help reach the grassroots.

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Babette also served as

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treasurer from 1977 to 1981.

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Jen Richardson,

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Jen began her role within

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the section slash academy

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as program committee,

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which was really the

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education committee for the

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section back then.

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So she served in this role

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from 1982 to 86.

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She became president-elect in 1987,

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and then served two terms

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as president through 1992.

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And part of her role as

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section president was to

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serve as the section

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delegate to APD's House of Delegates,

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again, during her years as president.

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And last but not least, Nancy White.

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Nancy began her role within

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the academy serving on the

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practice committee in 87, 88,

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then moved to the education

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committee where she served

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as co-chair for five years.

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And then from 1995 to 2001

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served as vice president of the academy.

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Part of her role as VP was

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to serve as the awards

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committee chair during her

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term as vice president.

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So what makes this

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conversation special for me

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personally is that I had

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the privilege of serving

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under and serving with

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three of you over the years.

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And I can't thank you enough

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for carving time out of

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your busy lives of

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vacations and work lives to

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do this conversation today.

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So first question, and Babette,

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we'll start with you since

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you have seniority amongst the group.

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In the early days,

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the section leadership was

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almost entirely made up of men.

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So how did you get involved

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in this section and who

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mentored you in the realm

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of assuming leadership

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positions within this section?

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Thanks, Bill.

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I was reflecting about that

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a lot as I was thinking

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about this discussion.

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And I really,

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when I think about how far

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back I go in terms of my

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involvement with the section,

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it really was,

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I think I was probably one of the

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very early women, as you say.

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And I think that I can go

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back and say to the people

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who were my faculty when I

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was in PT school,

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who were all involved in APTA,

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I remember sitting at some

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ortho section meeting where

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they were looking for

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candidates or people willing to serve.

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And somebody kind of gave me

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the elbow and said, you could do that.

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And I was, I guess,

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naive enough at that point to say, oh,

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sure, no problem.

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I'd be happy to do that.

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And I think that's kind of

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how a lot of us got

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involved is the elbow in

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the ribs sitting at a

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meeting that somebody planted the seed.

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And so I did agree to run

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for treasurer and served in

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that role for a number of

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years and really grateful

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for that opportunity

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because when I think of some of the

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leaders in the field that I

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got to know through the

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orthopedic section.

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Stanley Paris, Sandy Burkhart,

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who's no longer with us, Dick Earhart,

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Jim Gould.

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I'm privileged to say that I

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served and worked with some

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of those individuals.

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I'm not sure at that stage

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that I really thought as

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much about the fact that I

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was a woman in a man's world.

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I think somehow that matured.

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I think I saw myself as a young PT,

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what we now call emerging leader,

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looking to make my path in

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the association.

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I think it's through those

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very early experiences that I really

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learned to, what's the right word,

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embrace the fact that I was

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a woman charting a path in

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leadership within the association.

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And the board,

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the treasurer's role at that point,

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I remember balancing the checkbook.

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I mean, when I think about that now,

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we didn't have staff.

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We all did our own work.

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I can remember board

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meetings in somebody's hotel room.

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We didn't have other rooms.

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But out of those early meetings,

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some really wonderful

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concepts that have carried

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the Ortho Academy now,

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but ABTA and the profession

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forward very much, so.

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Very good.

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So you went to a meeting and

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somebody elbowed you.

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I think probably we all

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experienced that along the way.

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Jan, how about you?

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Well, similar to Babette,

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it was being in the right

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place at the right time.

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And from a mentor perspective,

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I was very fortunate after

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graduating from University

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of Pennsylvania physical

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therapy program to take my

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first position as a

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physical therapist with Bob Richardson.

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who at that time had been

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president of the

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Pennsylvania chapter and

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was very involved with the

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American Physical Therapy

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Association on the board

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and instilled in all of the

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staff that we had an

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obligation to give back to

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the profession and serve

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and be very diligent about

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that because we had gleaned

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from those in our past

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And now we needed to

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contribute to the present

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and move on to mentor for the future.

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So I happened to be at a

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seminar and at that time

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speakers still had side projectors.

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And I was sitting in the

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orthopedic section room at

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the back of the room.

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The chairman of the program

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committee came up to me and said,

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one of their members had

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become ill and she had to

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go somewhere else would I

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consider turning the lights

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off and on for the speaker

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as the speaker was ready to

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do their presentation and

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then afterward to take

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questions and I said I

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would be glad to do that so

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during that two-hour

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presentation I worked the

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lights back and forth and afterward

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she came up to me and said,

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would you like to be on the

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program committee?

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So it was, again,

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being in the right place at

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the right time.

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From a mentor perspective,

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having been on the program committee,

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I had the opportunity to

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meet Carolyn Wadsworth,

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who was the first ortho

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section female president.

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and became very engaged with

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the section from that perspective,

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as well as, again,

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being mentored in what

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leadership was all about,

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contribution was all about,

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and team building was all

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about from Bob Richardson.

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So, Jan, you passed the light switch test.

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I did.

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And the slide carousel test, probably.

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Yes, that as well, yes.

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Nancy, how about you?

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um so it's fun to to think

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back on all these times so

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my first clinical uh

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position was in the chicago

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area in lake forest and I

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was actually in babette's

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study group and a lot of

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there was a lot of energy

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around manual therapy and

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orthopedics and all of that

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so I was part of that when

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sandy would come and talk

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to us and dicker her would

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come it was it was a lot of fun and my

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and one of my work

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colleagues were in the

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Northwestern manual therapy

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program as well.

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So all we did was go around

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the country and take manual

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therapy courses in our vacation time.

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And I was at a class once

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and Helen Price was also

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one of my roommates who was

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involved early and we were

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in some manual therapy

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class and Carolyn Wadsworth

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was in the class.

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And so someone said, oh,

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Carolyn's looking for women

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to become involved with

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orthopedic section because

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she was the president.

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And so we talked to her and somehow

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how I got connected.

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And she gave my name to Bob Duesinger,

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who was coming in as the president.

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And I got involved in some,

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I guess that was a practice

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committee and we were doing this little,

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you know,

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trying to figure out what the

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role of PTAs were.

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And there were people who

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had very definite opinions

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and it sort of opened the

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doors to some of that.

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But I got involved early on

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and I never stopped until I

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left to go to work for APTA.

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It was just,

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it was a wonderful group of colleagues.

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But I got to know very quickly

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Jan and Annette who were

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involved with the program committee.

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And it was so clinical and

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it was so structured and it

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was very sort of down my alley.

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And so I got involved with

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that and really loved that.

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And then started working

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with Bill when he was the

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president and I was the vice president.

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not worked along the way.

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So just lots of people who

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have stayed with the section,

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stayed involved,

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that touched me along the way.

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But I appreciate those early

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days in Chicago with the

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Northwestern program and

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all of the ways that they

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were able to influence me.

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So thank you all.

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Good stories, neat stories.

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You know, as women in

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primarily a male-dominated organization.

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Did you face any bias or

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pushback as you tried to

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get involved during your

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leadership roles?

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Nancy,

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maybe I'll start with you and we'll

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work back.

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You'll start with me?

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Okay.

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You know,

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I was sort of clueless about

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those things.

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I might have had it, but not noticed it.

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But I, you know,

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I do think that with organizations, it's,

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you know, friendships form,

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and sometimes they're

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perceived as being cliques.

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And sometimes it's just a

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comfort level of having those groups.

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But there was a lot of,

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probably even more than male, female,

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a lot of sort of, you know,

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panache and cachet to the

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international connections

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and people who knew Le

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Grimsby and the people who

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knew the New Zealanders.

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And there was these sort of

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groups there that were

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perceived sometimes to be

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sort of exclusive because

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of who they were.

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And they were predominantly male.

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And I think it was visible.

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I don't know how that is now, but I

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i just you know sort of

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found a place that I felt

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like I fit and showed up

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and did my work and made

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lots of friends that way

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and and never felt that I

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was being pushed aside so

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yeah jen how about you uh I

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agree with nancy at that

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time we didn't really think

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of who was male and who was

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female we thought about who

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was on the team

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And what contributions did

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those people bring to the team?

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And there were some people

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who had skill sets as visionaries.

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There were others who were

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looking at the financial

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aspects and the stability of the section.

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And then there were those

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who could implement plans

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of care and others who

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could then assess the outcome.

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So all of us brought

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something to the table.

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We functioned more

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collaboratively than we did

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competitively with one another.

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And as Nancy mentioned,

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we all became best friends

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on the board as we went

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forward to advance at that

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time what the goals and the

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programs and the membership

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benefits were for the section.

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Beth?

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Yeah, I would have to agree.

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I go back again to what I

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said a little bit before.

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Was it because I was young

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and almost too naive to

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recognize what was happening?

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And that is certainly a possibility.

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I was young in age,

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fairly new as a graduate.

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I mean, certainly under eight years,

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I guess, at that point.

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And so it may have been

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going on all around me,

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and I just was like clueless.

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And I'm willing to say that

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now because now I'll pick it up like,

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where'd that come from?

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Like, who's saying that?

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Why are they saying that?

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That's wrong.

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Whereas then I'm not sure I

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would have done that or I

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was in so much awe of some

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of the leaders at the time.

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They were the people who

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wrote my textbooks.

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They were the people who

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were teaching the courses I was taking.

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that perhaps the awe and the

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naivety at that point

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didn't help me see the

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forest through the trees.

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Yeah,

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there certainly is a different level

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of awareness these days

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compared to decades ago.

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You know,

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part of the purpose of these

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conversations is to look at

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some of the events and

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challenges the section was

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facing back in the formative years.

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And I'll start with you in

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terms of your time on the

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board in particular,

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what were the major challenges?

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What were the major priorities?

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You know, I know back in the late 70s,

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early 80s,

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our priority was to kind of get

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the internal house in shape, you know,

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policies, procedures, and bylaws, and

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developing a strong

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relationship with APTA.

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So what were the major

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issues driving activities

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back in your term as treasurer?

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I would agree,

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getting our internal house in order.

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As you said,

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we were still relatively young

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as a section.

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And so I think at the point

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that I was on the board,

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we had sort of emerged out of our infancy

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but hadn't quite gotten to

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adolescence yet.

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So we were trying to figure

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out what we really wanted

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to be when we grew up as a

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section and how that was going to happen.

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But I think that two of the

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things that I remember with

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people who are still

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leaders is talking about specialization.

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We didn't necessarily call it that,

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but that's what it was.

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And the seeds towards

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getting specialization as a

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reality started in the

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orthopedic section at that point.

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Establishing the journal, JOSPT,

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started in a board meeting

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where somebody said,

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we need to move beyond some

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newslettery kind of thing

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if we really want to promote

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if we really want to promote having,

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I'm sorry, if you give me a minute,

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I'll just let it go.

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This is why we have editing.

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Okay.

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One more.

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Okay.

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Sorry.

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They really want you.

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Okay.

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Whatever it is can wait

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because whoever really

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needs to reach me knows to

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call my cell phone, not the house phone.

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So in any case, all right.

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Where was I?

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The newsletter journal.

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Right.

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We moved as a seed idea at

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one of our board meetings.

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I can remember distinctly

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who made the comments that said,

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we need to move beyond.

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If we want to promote research,

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in orthopedic physical therapy,

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we need to have a place

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where people can publish their research.

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And so the seeds for the

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development of the journal

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came out of those early board meetings.

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So between when I think now

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the impact of JOSPT

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on the profession is enormous.

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When I think now about specialization,

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not just in orthopedics,

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but in a variety of

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clinical practice areas, it's enormous.

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And I take pride in the fact

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that I was part of those

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very early discussions.

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Yeah.

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Jen, how about you?

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Not only just your terms as president,

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but when you started on the

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program committee,

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what were the big

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priorities and challenges at that time?

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As I think back,

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there were three major

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challenges that we ran into.

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A minor one being who was

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going to work the lights as

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a program committee,

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but we already found that volunteer.

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So I'll talk more about my

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two terms as president

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because within the very

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first week of having been elected,

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I received a call from the

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American Board of Physical

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Therapy Specialists, the ABPTS,

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telling me that we had

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petitioned for the

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examination in orthopedics

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and our time was running out.

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basically 60 days to finish

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the exam to get to them so

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that they could take a look

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at it in september at their

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meeting and um our item

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writing group had resigned

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so we didn't have anyone at the time

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I reached out to Joan McCulloch,

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Rick Ritter,

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and Susan Stralka and asked

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them if they would consider

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being the new members with

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a very short timeframe of

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about 45 to 60 days.

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We brought them in to a

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central location for a week's worth,

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and they did yeoman work on that item

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the items for the

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examination for the OCS and

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completed that task,

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which had lingered for

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years and years because at

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that time was the thought

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that there was going to be

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a practical component to

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the written component.

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We owe them a great debt to

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have been able to get that

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done within that time period,

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because otherwise we were

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going to have to start the

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whole process over and go

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back to the position process.

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So they came through and did

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an excellent job with that.

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The other challenge was

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really looking at our

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financial stability.

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We were the largest

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component of the APTA at that time,

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component being both

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sections and chapters.

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We did have thousands of

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members at that time, but we were totally,

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for the most part,

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reliant on dues revenue for

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our operating budget.

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So we wanted to look at how

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we were going to get beyond

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that and start to generate

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and plan for non dues revenue.

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And we were very fortunate

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to not only do that to the

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tune of when I took the presidency,

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our operating budget was

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about annually was about $220,000.

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And when I left the presidency in 1992,

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It was 1.3 million plus.

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So the board was very

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successful in doing that.

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And one of the ways that we

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did that was by looking at

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special interest groups or

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what we called SIGs.

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There was more to the

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orthopedic section than

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just manual therapy.

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And there were people who

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were interested in other

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sub specialty areas of orthopedics.

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The first SIGs were the

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occupational health SIG.

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Then we had foot and ankle.

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We had the performing arts SIG.

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We had pain management.

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And in 1992, I believe,

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the idea for animal

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physical therapy started that SIG.

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So we were able to expand

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beyond the initial focus of

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what the orthopedic

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section was,

00:22:51.448 --> 00:22:52.808
which was at that time

00:22:52.929 --> 00:22:54.891
predominantly mobilization

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and manual therapy to other

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specialty areas that were

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inclusive of MSK as well as

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pain management and other

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arenas that physical

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therapists practiced in.

00:23:11.604 --> 00:23:12.585
And then lastly,

00:23:13.325 --> 00:23:14.826
the last challenge that we

00:23:14.926 --> 00:23:16.428
really had to take

00:23:19.965 --> 00:23:21.386
charge of, if you will,

00:23:21.548 --> 00:23:23.288
was the whole area of

00:23:23.568 --> 00:23:25.871
practice restriction and

00:23:25.971 --> 00:23:27.373
practice protection.

00:23:28.074 --> 00:23:31.096
We were doing manual therapy,

00:23:31.115 --> 00:23:32.938
we were doing mobilization,

00:23:32.998 --> 00:23:34.619
we were doing manipulation,

00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.122
but our state practice acts

00:23:37.241 --> 00:23:38.462
didn't reflect that.

00:23:38.942 --> 00:23:43.468
And so we became in adversarial

00:23:44.653 --> 00:23:46.313
conversations with the

00:23:46.353 --> 00:23:48.314
chiropractors across the

00:23:48.354 --> 00:23:50.034
country who wanted to be

00:23:50.513 --> 00:23:53.335
not only restrictive about manipulation,

00:23:53.714 --> 00:23:55.355
but also to be able to say

00:23:55.414 --> 00:23:56.375
that they were doing

00:23:56.494 --> 00:23:58.395
physical therapy because

00:23:58.516 --> 00:24:00.096
physical therapy really was

00:24:00.155 --> 00:24:02.217
not a protective term at that time.

00:24:03.057 --> 00:24:06.037
So we worked for years on

00:24:06.136 --> 00:24:08.557
being able to get the

00:24:08.657 --> 00:24:10.038
chapters or talk to the

00:24:10.117 --> 00:24:11.739
chapters about changing

00:24:11.798 --> 00:24:13.239
their state practice acts

00:24:13.775 --> 00:24:15.935
so that the protection of

00:24:16.037 --> 00:24:18.377
our practice was actually

00:24:18.478 --> 00:24:20.159
spelled out in those

00:24:20.239 --> 00:24:22.201
practice acts from state to state.

00:24:23.060 --> 00:24:23.240
Yeah.

00:24:24.682 --> 00:24:24.862
Jan,

00:24:24.882 --> 00:24:26.564
you mentioned the financial growth of

00:24:26.604 --> 00:24:28.345
the section and Babette

00:24:28.625 --> 00:24:29.905
talking about there was no

00:24:30.066 --> 00:24:31.606
office and no office staff

00:24:31.666 --> 00:24:32.627
and you were involved.

00:24:33.587 --> 00:24:33.728
Jan,

00:24:33.768 --> 00:24:35.950
it was during your tenure that the

00:24:35.990 --> 00:24:36.710
section started putting

00:24:36.730 --> 00:24:38.510
away money to purchase land

00:24:39.071 --> 00:24:40.712
and build a building in La Crosse.

00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:42.400
at a time when I'm not sure

00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:43.059
there was any other

00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:44.601
component or APTA that

00:24:44.800 --> 00:24:46.001
owned their own building.

00:24:46.561 --> 00:24:47.383
So can you describe a little

00:24:47.403 --> 00:24:48.303
bit of that background

00:24:48.363 --> 00:24:49.564
information related to that?

00:24:50.484 --> 00:24:50.664
Well,

00:24:50.825 --> 00:24:54.086
after we started to develop programs

00:24:54.186 --> 00:24:56.107
that were revenue

00:24:56.167 --> 00:24:58.289
generating and were not

00:24:58.589 --> 00:25:01.211
reliant on membership dues,

00:25:01.711 --> 00:25:05.453
we started really banking a

00:25:05.513 --> 00:25:06.615
lot of the money into

00:25:06.714 --> 00:25:08.756
savings with the intent

00:25:09.057 --> 00:25:10.577
that we were going to purchase land

00:25:11.675 --> 00:25:13.615
And then we were going to

00:25:14.676 --> 00:25:16.537
build a building because

00:25:16.696 --> 00:25:20.557
rent was basically not as

00:25:20.678 --> 00:25:23.219
fiscally beneficial to us

00:25:24.038 --> 00:25:25.858
as owning our own land,

00:25:25.878 --> 00:25:27.619
owning our own building.

00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:30.119
And we had John Wadsworth

00:25:30.421 --> 00:25:32.641
and Bob Burroughs who were

00:25:32.701 --> 00:25:36.021
very financially astute too,

00:25:36.422 --> 00:25:40.423
who helped us grow those non-dues revenue

00:25:41.236 --> 00:25:44.376
to the level that we could actually go out,

00:25:44.477 --> 00:25:46.257
start searching for land in

00:25:46.277 --> 00:25:47.416
the La Crosse area,

00:25:47.957 --> 00:25:49.538
and then think about

00:25:49.778 --> 00:25:52.077
actually building a building.

00:25:53.097 --> 00:25:55.479
It became very important to

00:25:55.578 --> 00:25:56.939
us once we actually had

00:25:56.959 --> 00:25:58.278
that up and running because

00:25:58.378 --> 00:26:00.019
then we actually

00:26:00.099 --> 00:26:02.779
subcontracted our services

00:26:03.220 --> 00:26:05.760
in other areas to other sections.

00:26:06.650 --> 00:26:08.371
So that additionally brought

00:26:08.510 --> 00:26:10.030
in non-jews revenue,

00:26:10.171 --> 00:26:11.092
not just from the

00:26:11.152 --> 00:26:12.432
postbaccalaureate

00:26:12.791 --> 00:26:15.053
educational programs that we were doing,

00:26:15.472 --> 00:26:16.933
such as, by that time,

00:26:16.993 --> 00:26:19.034
the review course for the

00:26:19.273 --> 00:26:20.775
OCSE examination,

00:26:21.454 --> 00:26:24.455
but also working at the

00:26:24.796 --> 00:26:26.656
royalties from the journal,

00:26:28.053 --> 00:26:29.574
And then looking at the

00:26:29.753 --> 00:26:31.355
subcontracting of

00:26:31.454 --> 00:26:32.455
administrative and

00:26:32.536 --> 00:26:35.018
managerial services for the

00:26:35.057 --> 00:26:37.819
smaller sections that were

00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:40.961
having difficulty with the

00:26:41.041 --> 00:26:44.464
ability to purchase, if you will,

00:26:44.625 --> 00:26:45.425
expertise,

00:26:45.786 --> 00:26:48.048
both for things such as their newsletter,

00:26:48.468 --> 00:26:51.369
as well as just event

00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:53.692
planning and meeting

00:26:53.791 --> 00:26:55.073
planning on their behalf.

00:26:57.247 --> 00:26:57.547
Very good.

00:26:57.586 --> 00:26:58.487
Nancy, how about you?

00:26:58.667 --> 00:26:59.847
Looking at your years as

00:26:59.907 --> 00:27:01.548
vice president and also as

00:27:01.628 --> 00:27:03.088
education committee co-chair,

00:27:03.108 --> 00:27:04.950
what were the big events,

00:27:05.029 --> 00:27:06.510
major challenges facing the

00:27:06.570 --> 00:27:07.851
section at that time?

00:27:08.671 --> 00:27:09.491
So two things,

00:27:09.571 --> 00:27:11.551
and I love what Babette and

00:27:11.592 --> 00:27:12.333
Jan have mentioned,

00:27:12.353 --> 00:27:13.893
and that was sort of on my list as well.

00:27:13.913 --> 00:27:16.233
But I think just to add to that,

00:27:16.874 --> 00:27:18.575
that when I look back on that time,

00:27:18.615 --> 00:27:20.195
there was so much growth

00:27:20.256 --> 00:27:21.155
going on in the section.

00:27:21.195 --> 00:27:23.396
There was a growth in membership and

00:27:24.136 --> 00:27:25.417
broader interest as Jan

00:27:25.458 --> 00:27:26.857
mentions with the special interest group,

00:27:26.877 --> 00:27:28.858
but also growth and revenue

00:27:29.038 --> 00:27:30.378
and the importance of

00:27:31.159 --> 00:27:33.299
strong leadership to manage

00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.921
that growth wisely.

00:27:35.941 --> 00:27:36.701
And I think that the

00:27:36.760 --> 00:27:37.942
purchase of the building,

00:27:38.541 --> 00:27:40.342
as well as the development

00:27:40.362 --> 00:27:42.403
of infrastructure for the organization,

00:27:42.462 --> 00:27:43.563
it's really important as an

00:27:43.623 --> 00:27:45.223
organization goes from being a little

00:27:45.644 --> 00:27:46.964
as Vivette said,

00:27:47.305 --> 00:27:48.506
a checkbook in the trunk of

00:27:48.566 --> 00:27:50.826
a car to a significant

00:27:51.008 --> 00:27:52.167
organization that needs

00:27:52.228 --> 00:27:53.749
really wise leadership to

00:27:53.788 --> 00:27:54.410
really build the

00:27:54.470 --> 00:27:55.790
infrastructure so that

00:27:55.810 --> 00:27:58.011
there would be a base to grow on forward.

00:27:59.093 --> 00:28:00.053
Something that I think is,

00:28:00.313 --> 00:28:00.894
and I hope we'll have a

00:28:00.933 --> 00:28:02.454
chance to talk about this further too,

00:28:02.515 --> 00:28:05.936
that continuing in with our

00:28:05.977 --> 00:28:08.057
base in La Crosse allowed

00:28:08.278 --> 00:28:10.559
us to have the consistency of staff.

00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:11.820
I was looking at the website

00:28:11.861 --> 00:28:13.442
this morning and realizing that

00:28:14.142 --> 00:28:16.424
Terry and Tara and Sharon

00:28:16.464 --> 00:28:19.407
have all been there for over 30 years,

00:28:19.949 --> 00:28:21.770
over 35 years in many cases.

00:28:21.911 --> 00:28:23.292
And you never see that.

00:28:23.373 --> 00:28:25.695
But to see the impact of

00:28:25.756 --> 00:28:27.758
that on the organization.

00:28:27.877 --> 00:28:28.558
And it was, I think,

00:28:28.598 --> 00:28:30.661
that wise use of we really

00:28:30.681 --> 00:28:31.602
should be in lacrosse,

00:28:31.663 --> 00:28:32.584
even though it's not

00:28:33.044 --> 00:28:34.584
you know, in the D.C.

00:28:34.663 --> 00:28:36.605
area to be able to do what

00:28:36.644 --> 00:28:37.585
we can for our members.

00:28:37.724 --> 00:28:39.625
And they have helped us show

00:28:39.644 --> 00:28:41.685
that that's really possible

00:28:41.726 --> 00:28:42.986
by providing the membership

00:28:43.006 --> 00:28:45.286
services that we need to

00:28:45.326 --> 00:28:46.267
keep the membership going.

00:28:47.626 --> 00:28:47.807
Yeah,

00:28:47.826 --> 00:28:49.287
the stability of having those three

00:28:49.386 --> 00:28:50.448
on staff for all those

00:28:50.528 --> 00:28:52.387
years has been a huge plus.

00:28:53.867 --> 00:28:54.087
Nancy,

00:28:54.107 --> 00:28:55.347
maybe you can speak a little bit to

00:28:55.449 --> 00:28:57.489
the research side of things, you know,

00:28:57.509 --> 00:28:59.909
kind of tying your role on the ortho,

00:28:59.929 --> 00:29:00.869
the section board,

00:29:00.910 --> 00:29:02.789
and also your role with the foundation

00:29:03.935 --> 00:29:05.199
The Rose Award started

00:29:05.219 --> 00:29:06.962
during Jan's tenure and the

00:29:07.242 --> 00:29:08.987
section started funding research.

00:29:09.248 --> 00:29:10.631
Can you elaborate on that a little bit?

00:29:11.310 --> 00:29:13.231
Well, I'm glad you mentioned that.

00:29:13.291 --> 00:29:14.451
That's that's a great point

00:29:14.511 --> 00:29:16.252
that the financial

00:29:16.313 --> 00:29:17.114
resources of the

00:29:17.193 --> 00:29:19.114
organization allowed the

00:29:19.174 --> 00:29:21.776
section to be a leader nationally.

00:29:21.796 --> 00:29:23.276
And I think that the Rose

00:29:23.296 --> 00:29:24.676
Award and then those early

00:29:24.717 --> 00:29:26.817
investments that the ortho

00:29:26.837 --> 00:29:28.499
section made in the foundation,

00:29:28.598 --> 00:29:30.799
recognizing that it was

00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:32.961
important to funnel those

00:29:33.020 --> 00:29:34.701
resources into the

00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:35.801
foundation nationally to

00:29:35.842 --> 00:29:38.063
help the whole profession allowed

00:29:39.528 --> 00:29:41.409
the ortho section to not

00:29:41.548 --> 00:29:43.530
necessarily have a seat on the board,

00:29:43.631 --> 00:29:45.592
but to have that influence

00:29:45.652 --> 00:29:47.133
that we had early

00:29:47.173 --> 00:29:48.213
involvement in that and

00:29:48.253 --> 00:29:52.856
were able to move into board positions.

00:29:53.117 --> 00:29:54.659
And Bill and I both served

00:29:54.858 --> 00:29:57.721
on the foundation board as

00:29:57.780 --> 00:30:01.083
well as chair of the board four times.

00:30:01.163 --> 00:30:03.265
And I think that having that bridge

00:30:04.144 --> 00:30:06.685
um sort of made us realize

00:30:06.746 --> 00:30:07.866
how what important part we

00:30:07.906 --> 00:30:09.948
were of the larger body of

00:30:10.528 --> 00:30:11.489
research for physical

00:30:11.509 --> 00:30:12.328
therapy and I think that

00:30:12.368 --> 00:30:14.109
that those contributions in

00:30:14.150 --> 00:30:15.770
terms of leadership and in

00:30:15.830 --> 00:30:18.452
terms of of dollars um has

00:30:18.512 --> 00:30:19.613
made has made a big

00:30:19.673 --> 00:30:20.594
difference and is still

00:30:20.634 --> 00:30:22.314
very visible today and the

00:30:22.355 --> 00:30:24.675
fact that that um stanley

00:30:24.715 --> 00:30:26.155
and catherine got involved

00:30:26.195 --> 00:30:26.797
with some of their

00:30:26.856 --> 00:30:28.877
investments also I think that has really

00:30:29.417 --> 00:30:30.739
secured a place for

00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.138
orthopedic research in the

00:30:33.199 --> 00:30:34.319
national body of knowledge.

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:36.401
Very good.

00:30:36.441 --> 00:30:36.840
Thank you.

00:30:38.500 --> 00:30:40.622
Babette, I'll come back to you.

00:30:41.241 --> 00:30:44.063
Can you describe any behind the scenes,

00:30:44.804 --> 00:30:45.324
humorous,

00:30:45.384 --> 00:30:46.743
surprising events that we would

00:30:46.804 --> 00:30:47.984
never glean from reading

00:30:48.085 --> 00:30:49.684
minutes in the newsletter

00:30:50.125 --> 00:30:52.006
or the business meeting

00:30:52.026 --> 00:30:53.906
that you're willing to share?

00:30:59.464 --> 00:31:01.267
Wow, that's a great question.

00:31:01.627 --> 00:31:03.210
And I think the most

00:31:03.289 --> 00:31:04.672
humorous thing for me right

00:31:04.711 --> 00:31:06.894
now really is to think back

00:31:07.355 --> 00:31:08.876
on what those early board

00:31:08.936 --> 00:31:09.897
meetings were like,

00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.622
what the atmosphere was.

00:31:12.642 --> 00:31:15.105
I think when you're sitting

00:31:15.164 --> 00:31:17.268
around a board table, so to speak,

00:31:18.342 --> 00:31:20.124
you tend to be much more

00:31:20.904 --> 00:31:22.046
business oriented.

00:31:22.086 --> 00:31:23.567
You have a job to get done.

00:31:24.208 --> 00:31:26.810
When you're sitting on beds

00:31:26.871 --> 00:31:28.373
in a hotel room on the floor,

00:31:28.472 --> 00:31:30.115
on the desk chair, on the whatever,

00:31:31.455 --> 00:31:32.837
and there are 10 people,

00:31:33.798 --> 00:31:37.502
it's a much less formal experience.

00:31:38.703 --> 00:31:40.846
I would say, board meeting.

00:31:41.586 --> 00:31:44.208
And so you're much more

00:31:44.288 --> 00:31:46.828
likely to joke around,

00:31:46.930 --> 00:31:53.153
to make comments that are not specific.

00:31:54.074 --> 00:31:55.795
And so it's specific to the

00:31:55.835 --> 00:31:57.195
job that needs to get done.

00:31:58.196 --> 00:32:02.138
And so I have to think back to the culture,

00:32:03.961 --> 00:32:07.143
again, as almost humorous

00:32:09.409 --> 00:32:11.009
as to where we are today.

00:32:11.029 --> 00:32:13.951
And I think to me that the

00:32:14.152 --> 00:32:17.253
irony is with so little,

00:32:18.173 --> 00:32:21.696
we accomplish so much and

00:32:21.737 --> 00:32:23.037
have continued to

00:32:23.117 --> 00:32:25.679
accomplish so much as an academy.

00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.482
I am far from being actively

00:32:32.563 --> 00:32:34.003
involved in orthopedic

00:32:34.443 --> 00:32:35.984
practice at this point,

00:32:36.266 --> 00:32:37.866
even in a broad context.

00:32:38.989 --> 00:32:42.390
And so my focus of clinical

00:32:42.430 --> 00:32:44.631
care actually at some point

00:32:44.691 --> 00:32:47.352
switched from orthopedics to acute care.

00:32:50.232 --> 00:32:52.292
But I have certainly taught

00:32:52.473 --> 00:32:53.294
for a long time.

00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.542
And always told or

00:32:57.603 --> 00:32:59.404
encouraged our students who are, oh,

00:32:59.444 --> 00:33:02.167
do I have to do an acute care rotation?

00:33:02.868 --> 00:33:05.832
All I want is to be an outpatient PT,

00:33:06.692 --> 00:33:08.634
is that they will be a much better,

00:33:08.775 --> 00:33:10.817
having worked in outpatient,

00:33:11.416 --> 00:33:13.439
knowing what outpatient care was like,

00:33:14.180 --> 00:33:14.740
that in fact,

00:33:14.780 --> 00:33:15.942
you are a much better

00:33:16.102 --> 00:33:17.544
outpatient physical therapist.

00:33:18.104 --> 00:33:20.265
if you have had exposure to acute care,

00:33:21.046 --> 00:33:22.307
because you know when we

00:33:22.346 --> 00:33:23.948
talk about our role as

00:33:24.048 --> 00:33:27.130
primary care providers in direct access,

00:33:27.690 --> 00:33:29.010
when you've done acute care,

00:33:29.411 --> 00:33:30.731
when somebody who is sick

00:33:31.692 --> 00:33:33.032
walks into your clinic,

00:33:33.513 --> 00:33:35.414
you recognize it and you

00:33:35.454 --> 00:33:36.695
know to stop and take a

00:33:36.756 --> 00:33:37.935
different course of action

00:33:38.616 --> 00:33:40.278
than to purely approach

00:33:41.057 --> 00:33:42.859
whatever their orthopedic concern is.

00:33:44.403 --> 00:33:45.963
And so I very much switched,

00:33:46.064 --> 00:33:47.565
but I remain a section or

00:33:47.585 --> 00:33:48.925
Academy member today

00:33:50.007 --> 00:33:51.327
because I believe in what

00:33:51.407 --> 00:33:55.632
the Academy has done and continues to do.

00:33:56.932 --> 00:33:58.073
So the Academy has

00:33:58.192 --> 00:34:01.214
influenced my life in many

00:34:01.295 --> 00:34:06.057
ways and really set me on the path.

00:34:06.156 --> 00:34:08.018
I moved from New York to Chicago.

00:34:08.619 --> 00:34:10.599
We had the study group and

00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:11.880
those early leadership

00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:13.882
roles I believe really

00:34:13.961 --> 00:34:17.063
helped me learn more about

00:34:17.123 --> 00:34:19.025
leadership and gave me the

00:34:19.085 --> 00:34:22.387
confidence that I could be a leader

00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:24.878
and helped me continue to

00:34:24.958 --> 00:34:28.400
seek roles that met my

00:34:28.460 --> 00:34:30.579
needs to develop as a leader,

00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:32.521
but I think also met the

00:34:32.561 --> 00:34:35.061
association's needs and the

00:34:35.101 --> 00:34:36.820
profession's needs in a

00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:38.262
variety of different ways.

00:34:39.061 --> 00:34:40.222
And I've been able to use

00:34:40.862 --> 00:34:42.641
what I learned through both

00:34:42.702 --> 00:34:46.782
my academy service and my

00:34:46.902 --> 00:34:50.943
service to ABTA outside of

00:34:51.344 --> 00:34:52.103
physical therapy

00:34:53.260 --> 00:34:55.521
And I can look back to some

00:34:55.561 --> 00:34:56.322
of those outside

00:34:56.382 --> 00:34:58.222
experiences and say they've

00:34:58.422 --> 00:35:00.103
absolutely come because of

00:35:00.204 --> 00:35:01.744
what I developed through APTA.

00:35:04.726 --> 00:35:05.606
Jan, how about you?

00:35:05.686 --> 00:35:07.748
Behind the scenes things?

00:35:09.668 --> 00:35:11.329
Behind the scenes things

00:35:11.730 --> 00:35:15.052
were always a good time and

00:35:15.132 --> 00:35:16.052
great memories.

00:35:16.532 --> 00:35:19.233
We worked hard, but we also played hard.

00:35:20.907 --> 00:35:22.690
wanting to get a team that

00:35:22.730 --> 00:35:25.813
was partnering with each other,

00:35:25.954 --> 00:35:28.135
being very collaborative, as I said,

00:35:28.237 --> 00:35:30.798
versus competitive was

00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.242
benefited by what we did

00:35:34.463 --> 00:35:36.746
outside of our board meetings.

00:35:37.847 --> 00:35:40.130
We, as I said before,

00:35:41.539 --> 00:35:43.139
worked very hard those first

00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:49.023
few years to get the OCS exam in place.

00:35:50.244 --> 00:35:51.385
Our first exam was in 1989

00:35:51.385 --> 00:35:53.085
and 26 people passed that exam.

00:35:53.106 --> 00:35:53.545
But by 1992,

00:35:53.545 --> 00:35:54.766
we had 185 OCS specialists

00:35:55.288 --> 00:35:55.967
within the country.

00:35:56.007 --> 00:35:56.568
We had the land

00:36:09.331 --> 00:36:11.452
We had the financial stability.

00:36:12.393 --> 00:36:14.635
And so we did fun things

00:36:14.994 --> 00:36:16.516
after the meetings were over.

00:36:16.576 --> 00:36:18.396
We always usually went to

00:36:18.416 --> 00:36:21.077
lacrosse and stayed at the

00:36:21.137 --> 00:36:23.599
same hotel in the same location,

00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:25.519
but we'd go out for dinner.

00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:28.661
And then I thought that it

00:36:28.762 --> 00:36:30.663
might be fun for us to

00:36:31.483 --> 00:36:35.364
start from a competitive perspective,

00:36:35.804 --> 00:36:37.146
bowling competition.

00:36:37.992 --> 00:36:40.092
So we would go bowling and

00:36:40.152 --> 00:36:43.273
have individual teams that

00:36:43.833 --> 00:36:45.074
played against each other.

00:36:45.094 --> 00:36:47.695
And it was fascinating to

00:36:47.835 --> 00:36:50.914
see how people embraced that opportunity,

00:36:51.275 --> 00:36:52.315
whether you were a good

00:36:52.396 --> 00:36:55.155
bowler or a horrific bowler.

00:36:55.637 --> 00:36:57.157
People would come with hats.

00:36:57.336 --> 00:36:58.717
They'd come with shirts.

00:36:59.657 --> 00:37:00.818
If they didn't have shirts,

00:37:00.898 --> 00:37:02.177
they'd make up shirts.

00:37:02.958 --> 00:37:05.139
And we always had a very good time.

00:37:06.150 --> 00:37:06.952
If there wasn't the

00:37:07.032 --> 00:37:09.452
opportunity to do something

00:37:09.492 --> 00:37:12.114
like go bowling, we would go shopping.

00:37:12.855 --> 00:37:14.936
And the men were just as

00:37:15.496 --> 00:37:16.556
interested in going

00:37:16.637 --> 00:37:20.639
shopping as the women were.

00:37:21.460 --> 00:37:25.621
And I remember an evening

00:37:25.722 --> 00:37:28.764
where Bill O'Grady and I

00:37:28.824 --> 00:37:30.224
went shoe shopping.

00:37:33.001 --> 00:37:34.461
We still talk about that

00:37:35.202 --> 00:37:38.123
activity very fondly as we

00:37:38.163 --> 00:37:39.324
think about what we did.

00:37:40.384 --> 00:37:44.706
But those were the good memories.

00:37:44.786 --> 00:37:47.146
There were hard times, but as I said,

00:37:47.246 --> 00:37:49.889
we worked hard for the good

00:37:49.969 --> 00:37:52.010
of the orthopedic section

00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:53.929
and the members that we were serving,

00:37:54.371 --> 00:37:55.931
but we also played hard.

00:37:55.990 --> 00:37:57.532
And I think that's important.

00:37:58.012 --> 00:38:00.353
That's why doing things that

00:38:02.605 --> 00:38:03.885
provide networking

00:38:04.005 --> 00:38:05.507
opportunity and team

00:38:05.547 --> 00:38:07.007
building opportunities

00:38:08.068 --> 00:38:10.150
within boards and within

00:38:10.510 --> 00:38:11.990
even just the membership in

00:38:12.050 --> 00:38:13.972
general is so important.

00:38:14.193 --> 00:38:16.755
And I'd like to see that we

00:38:16.815 --> 00:38:19.597
continue to do face-to-face

00:38:19.757 --> 00:38:22.257
and in-person types of activities,

00:38:22.398 --> 00:38:24.760
not just always electronic

00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.442
Zoom opportunities with one another.

00:38:27.461 --> 00:38:30.204
Nancy?

00:38:31.018 --> 00:38:31.798
Yeah.

00:38:31.838 --> 00:38:32.139
Okay.

00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:33.760
So I have one story and she

00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:34.782
may not want me to tell it,

00:38:34.822 --> 00:38:35.682
but I will anyway,

00:38:35.722 --> 00:38:37.264
and you can leave it in or not.

00:38:38.365 --> 00:38:39.507
So one of my favorite

00:38:39.668 --> 00:38:40.889
orthopedic section stories,

00:38:41.849 --> 00:38:43.411
this is my Katherine Patlis story.

00:38:43.512 --> 00:38:44.413
And then we were in

00:38:45.193 --> 00:38:46.454
Minnesota and Minneapolis

00:38:46.534 --> 00:38:47.916
for the conference and our

00:38:48.356 --> 00:38:49.358
board meeting was in the

00:38:49.418 --> 00:38:50.440
Lake Minnetonka room.

00:38:51.057 --> 00:38:52.398
And Catherine came in late

00:38:52.539 --> 00:38:54.278
because she had taken a cab

00:38:54.759 --> 00:38:56.559
two hours away to Lake

00:38:56.619 --> 00:39:00.442
Minnetonka to the board meeting.

00:39:00.641 --> 00:39:02.641
And so she got there and she says,

00:39:02.722 --> 00:39:03.583
where's the section?

00:39:03.603 --> 00:39:05.364
She says, no, you're at Lake Minnetonka.

00:39:05.864 --> 00:39:06.664
So she had to take a two

00:39:06.684 --> 00:39:08.885
hour cab back to the board meeting.

00:39:09.025 --> 00:39:11.045
And so I think forever and ever since,

00:39:12.766 --> 00:39:14.067
Terry and Tara and Sharon

00:39:14.106 --> 00:39:15.626
have always put Lake

00:39:15.686 --> 00:39:17.748
Minnetonka room or Lake

00:39:17.807 --> 00:39:21.068
Michigan room next to the board meeting.

00:39:21.429 --> 00:39:24.090
So because of Catherine

00:39:24.670 --> 00:39:25.990
logically making that

00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:28.351
little mess and giving all

00:39:28.391 --> 00:39:29.612
of us lots and lots of laughs.

00:39:31.032 --> 00:39:33.996
And then also along the Paris-Patlo line,

00:39:34.536 --> 00:39:36.097
I have such fond memories

00:39:36.418 --> 00:39:39.161
of cheering on Stanley

00:39:39.181 --> 00:39:40.862
Paris in all of his

00:39:41.003 --> 00:39:42.764
wonderful renaissance man

00:39:42.864 --> 00:39:44.186
ventures that he did to

00:39:44.246 --> 00:39:45.106
keep us entertained.

00:39:45.146 --> 00:39:47.329
His channel swims and his sails and

00:39:47.869 --> 00:39:48.851
all of the different things

00:39:48.891 --> 00:39:50.110
that he was involved in and

00:39:50.190 --> 00:39:53.432
how not only the academy

00:39:53.452 --> 00:39:54.313
and the ortho section,

00:39:54.373 --> 00:39:55.653
but the foundation and all

00:39:56.213 --> 00:39:57.514
supported him in those

00:39:57.614 --> 00:39:59.815
ventures and just gave us

00:40:00.275 --> 00:40:01.617
an interesting friend to

00:40:02.097 --> 00:40:03.538
follow throughout his life.

00:40:03.677 --> 00:40:04.538
It was lots of fun.

00:40:05.237 --> 00:40:05.719
And finally,

00:40:05.878 --> 00:40:07.159
I do remember shopping with

00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.981
Jan and that was quite an experience.

00:40:11.061 --> 00:40:12.561
I've never done anything

00:40:12.641 --> 00:40:13.561
quite like that since.

00:40:13.623 --> 00:40:14.722
So thank you, Jan,

00:40:14.762 --> 00:40:16.403
for showing me how to shop for shoes.

00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.943
Power shopping.

00:40:21.003 --> 00:40:22.985
Power bowling and power shopping, right?

00:40:24.947 --> 00:40:26.349
When you have limited time.

00:40:27.902 --> 00:40:29.463
Jan carried the bowling

00:40:29.603 --> 00:40:31.543
theme to the APTA board

00:40:32.324 --> 00:40:33.864
when I was on the APTA board.

00:40:34.525 --> 00:40:37.505
And I moved a few years ago

00:40:37.626 --> 00:40:39.606
when we downsized and I

00:40:39.686 --> 00:40:41.648
still had my APTA bowling shirt.

00:40:42.387 --> 00:40:45.409
And I was like, do I need to move this?

00:40:46.489 --> 00:40:46.688
Well,

00:40:46.809 --> 00:40:48.269
maybe I should save it because I

00:40:48.309 --> 00:40:49.849
could use it as a costume

00:40:50.130 --> 00:40:51.231
sometime or something.

00:40:51.610 --> 00:40:52.451
And then I was like,

00:40:53.737 --> 00:40:55.639
no, you don't need to move this.

00:40:55.759 --> 00:40:56.940
It's okay.

00:40:57.300 --> 00:40:58.760
You have all those memories

00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:00.563
of bowling with the APTA board.

00:41:00.702 --> 00:41:01.824
And I didn't realize it

00:41:01.864 --> 00:41:04.425
started with the ortho section board.

00:41:04.525 --> 00:41:04.746
So.

00:41:06.286 --> 00:41:08.429
I still have my APTA shirt too.

00:41:09.750 --> 00:41:10.590
I can't give it up.

00:41:11.891 --> 00:41:12.092
Well.

00:41:13.213 --> 00:41:13.373
Yeah.

00:41:13.393 --> 00:41:14.614
My first ortho section

00:41:14.954 --> 00:41:16.675
experience at a board meeting, Janice,

00:41:16.695 --> 00:41:17.597
when you were president,

00:41:17.617 --> 00:41:18.197
I think it was on the

00:41:18.237 --> 00:41:19.038
nominating committee.

00:41:19.952 --> 00:41:20.773
And, you know,

00:41:20.793 --> 00:41:21.673
I didn't really know about

00:41:21.735 --> 00:41:23.275
the social events, but we went bowling.

00:41:23.376 --> 00:41:24.697
And, you know, being from Wisconsin,

00:41:24.797 --> 00:41:26.237
we bowl a lot.

00:41:26.318 --> 00:41:27.378
I'm going to like this group.

00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:29.920
You already had a shirt with

00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:31.882
your name on it.

00:41:32.021 --> 00:41:32.963
Yes, that's right.

00:41:33.003 --> 00:41:33.903
That's right.

00:41:35.965 --> 00:41:36.485
Very good.

00:41:36.565 --> 00:41:37.365
Great stories.

00:41:38.007 --> 00:41:39.307
You know,

00:41:39.327 --> 00:41:41.789
thinking about future leaders and.

00:41:42.672 --> 00:41:44.474
within the academy and beyond, you know,

00:41:44.494 --> 00:41:45.574
what recommendations would

00:41:45.615 --> 00:41:46.896
you have for individuals

00:41:46.936 --> 00:41:49.460
and women in particular who

00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:50.940
might be interested in

00:41:50.981 --> 00:41:53.204
pursuing leadership within the academy,

00:41:53.264 --> 00:41:54.885
you know, based on your experiences,

00:41:54.905 --> 00:41:56.947
you know, within the academy and beyond?

00:41:58.108 --> 00:41:59.170
Babette, I will start with you.

00:41:59.570 --> 00:42:00.512
What recommendations might

00:42:00.552 --> 00:42:02.253
you give to our early career folks?

00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:07.601
I guess two things,

00:42:07.661 --> 00:42:08.621
find something that you're

00:42:08.641 --> 00:42:10.942
passionate about or even

00:42:11.081 --> 00:42:12.902
think you might be passionate about.

00:42:13.483 --> 00:42:15.583
Don't say yes to things that

00:42:15.623 --> 00:42:18.143
you know you have no desire

00:42:18.304 --> 00:42:19.065
to be involved,

00:42:19.445 --> 00:42:20.945
but think you ought to say yes.

00:42:21.324 --> 00:42:22.226
Find something that you're

00:42:22.266 --> 00:42:23.985
passionate about so that

00:42:24.045 --> 00:42:26.547
you will continue to grow

00:42:26.606 --> 00:42:29.668
that passion and use that

00:42:29.807 --> 00:42:33.188
energy for potentially other roles.

00:42:34.983 --> 00:42:36.003
And the other thing that I

00:42:36.063 --> 00:42:38.425
would say to anyone,

00:42:40.306 --> 00:42:42.489
if you have family involved,

00:42:43.429 --> 00:42:45.150
make sure your family is

00:42:45.351 --> 00:42:47.032
involved in helping to make

00:42:47.132 --> 00:42:49.675
the decision so that you

00:42:49.775 --> 00:42:51.135
have the time and the

00:42:51.235 --> 00:42:55.659
support to do what you will

00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.762
need to do to be successful.

00:43:00.650 --> 00:43:02.670
I think it is very hard,

00:43:02.771 --> 00:43:04.492
particularly for women who

00:43:04.572 --> 00:43:06.474
are young mothers as well,

00:43:06.494 --> 00:43:11.677
that if you do not have support somehow,

00:43:11.798 --> 00:43:12.358
somewhere,

00:43:12.378 --> 00:43:16.621
that it is very difficult to

00:43:16.782 --> 00:43:20.005
make that extra step and be

00:43:20.164 --> 00:43:21.706
successful and have a good

00:43:22.106 --> 00:43:23.987
experience with that.

00:43:25.188 --> 00:43:27.951
And a story I'll share,

00:43:29.081 --> 00:43:31.864
When I went on to the APTA board,

00:43:31.884 --> 00:43:33.385
there are two stories.

00:43:33.945 --> 00:43:36.246
One is the first time I won,

00:43:36.286 --> 00:43:38.927
just like Jan said, her daughter asked,

00:43:38.967 --> 00:43:39.788
where's the crown?

00:43:40.469 --> 00:43:42.269
When I called home to say I won,

00:43:43.581 --> 00:43:44.782
My daughter wanted to know

00:43:44.862 --> 00:43:46.543
what did I win because

00:43:46.603 --> 00:43:49.485
people win cars and TVs and houses.

00:43:50.246 --> 00:43:51.867
And my husband said, well,

00:43:51.887 --> 00:43:54.010
mommy won more trips away from home.

00:43:54.030 --> 00:43:56.731
That was his response.

00:43:56.891 --> 00:43:57.293
Okay.

00:43:57.672 --> 00:44:00.034
But when she was young and

00:44:00.074 --> 00:44:03.016
I'd say I was going, I'd get the mommy,

00:44:03.056 --> 00:44:04.418
do you have to go away?

00:44:04.898 --> 00:44:05.960
Why you do?

00:44:06.139 --> 00:44:07.221
And we worked through that.

00:44:07.820 --> 00:44:09.603
By the time I went off the board,

00:44:10.202 --> 00:44:11.384
we were sharing a car.

00:44:12.244 --> 00:44:13.885
And then I got the, hey, mom,

00:44:13.905 --> 00:44:14.806
when are you leaving?

00:44:15.186 --> 00:44:16.307
Can I help you pack?

00:44:16.807 --> 00:44:18.128
Because when I wasn't there,

00:44:18.168 --> 00:44:19.170
the car was hers.

00:44:19.750 --> 00:44:21.512
And you go through stages.

00:44:22.012 --> 00:44:23.713
You have to really consider,

00:44:23.773 --> 00:44:26.494
but make sure that you do have support,

00:44:26.614 --> 00:44:28.096
but find something that you

00:44:28.737 --> 00:44:30.358
think you can be passionate about.

00:44:30.958 --> 00:44:32.800
So whatever you've said yes

00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:34.181
to doesn't become a burden.

00:44:35.021 --> 00:44:38.581
it becomes an exciting opportunity.

00:44:39.322 --> 00:44:41.943
And never slam a door completely shut.

00:44:43.023 --> 00:44:43.923
You never say never.

00:44:46.264 --> 00:44:46.824
Jan, how about you?

00:44:46.844 --> 00:44:47.764
What recommendations would

00:44:47.804 --> 00:44:49.005
you give our future leaders?

00:44:50.326 --> 00:44:52.567
I'm a big advocate in

00:44:52.706 --> 00:44:57.248
mentors and searching out mentors.

00:45:00.461 --> 00:45:03.202
The DPT students at both

00:45:03.222 --> 00:45:04.583
Slopey Rock University and

00:45:04.603 --> 00:45:05.724
Duke University,

00:45:06.083 --> 00:45:07.744
we really advocated for

00:45:07.824 --> 00:45:09.724
them to find a mentor.

00:45:10.286 --> 00:45:11.405
And it doesn't always have

00:45:11.445 --> 00:45:13.047
to be someone in the profession,

00:45:13.507 --> 00:45:16.208
but if it is,

00:45:16.447 --> 00:45:18.568
it tends to be a little bit more helpful.

00:45:19.548 --> 00:45:21.769
So whether you're a woman,

00:45:22.389 --> 00:45:25.451
you don't always need a female mentor,

00:45:25.771 --> 00:45:27.090
or a man doesn't always

00:45:27.170 --> 00:45:28.431
need a male mentor.

00:45:29.431 --> 00:45:31.512
but seek out a mentor

00:45:31.612 --> 00:45:33.711
because it's something that

00:45:35.253 --> 00:45:37.293
you can glean from them

00:45:37.313 --> 00:45:40.014
through the mistakes that they have made,

00:45:40.673 --> 00:45:42.315
and they will help you over

00:45:42.434 --> 00:45:45.755
those challenges, obstacles,

00:45:46.496 --> 00:45:47.436
opportunities.

00:45:47.456 --> 00:45:49.436
They'll oftentimes be able

00:45:49.476 --> 00:45:51.277
to recognize an opportunity

00:45:51.396 --> 00:45:54.018
for you that you wouldn't even consider.

00:45:54.894 --> 00:45:56.235
because you don't think you

00:45:56.275 --> 00:45:57.315
have the skillset.

00:45:57.856 --> 00:46:00.177
They might see that skillset in you,

00:46:00.717 --> 00:46:02.057
and it just has to be

00:46:02.697 --> 00:46:05.599
developed and nurtured and embraced.

00:46:06.398 --> 00:46:10.860
So a mentor should push you

00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:12.161
a little bit beyond your

00:46:12.240 --> 00:46:13.902
limits or your comfort zone.

00:46:14.981 --> 00:46:19.204
And once you've crossed that

00:46:19.284 --> 00:46:20.963
comfort zone and you're in

00:46:21.003 --> 00:46:23.085
the area of the unknown,

00:46:23.911 --> 00:46:25.331
that's when they're there to

00:46:25.351 --> 00:46:27.572
support you and to help you

00:46:27.813 --> 00:46:30.934
and to work as a sounding board for you.

00:46:31.974 --> 00:46:34.275
It's always helpful if

00:46:34.434 --> 00:46:35.615
they're in the same

00:46:35.695 --> 00:46:38.237
meetings with you or at the

00:46:38.277 --> 00:46:39.637
same conference with you,

00:46:40.036 --> 00:46:41.717
because they can open doors

00:46:41.777 --> 00:46:43.217
to people that you may not

00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.599
know and they can make

00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:46.739
those introductions.

00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:49.521
But on the other hand,

00:46:50.163 --> 00:46:52.083
If they're a good mentor,

00:46:52.204 --> 00:46:54.164
they might also see you

00:46:54.864 --> 00:46:56.585
respond or react in a

00:46:56.686 --> 00:46:58.565
meeting in a way that they

00:46:58.606 --> 00:47:01.126
have suggestions for you as

00:47:01.268 --> 00:47:03.809
to how you might change

00:47:03.889 --> 00:47:05.068
that for the future,

00:47:05.768 --> 00:47:07.670
knowing who the other

00:47:07.969 --> 00:47:09.331
people within that board

00:47:10.150 --> 00:47:11.632
are and based on the

00:47:11.711 --> 00:47:13.652
experiences that they have had,

00:47:13.813 --> 00:47:15.432
because you always want to

00:47:15.532 --> 00:47:19.574
have people embrace a vision

00:47:20.757 --> 00:47:23.539
And to such a point where

00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.019
they take it as part of their own,

00:47:26.420 --> 00:47:27.621
because then they'll work

00:47:27.681 --> 00:47:30.282
hard to support that.

00:47:30.782 --> 00:47:34.304
And oftentimes that can

00:47:34.384 --> 00:47:36.065
depend on relationships.

00:47:37.164 --> 00:47:39.525
A good leader is a person

00:47:39.606 --> 00:47:41.686
who listens more than talks.

00:47:42.967 --> 00:47:45.409
And if they listen to what

00:47:46.768 --> 00:47:50.789
the other people are saying to them,

00:47:50.809 --> 00:47:52.711
then they can plan better

00:47:54.313 --> 00:47:56.014
as to how to engage those

00:47:56.554 --> 00:47:58.335
other individuals to make

00:47:58.456 --> 00:47:59.856
sure that everyone's on the

00:47:59.916 --> 00:48:01.838
same path to moving the

00:48:01.898 --> 00:48:04.039
goal forward for the best outcome.

00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.541
But I would always recommend

00:48:08.222 --> 00:48:09.623
to find a mentor.

00:48:09.963 --> 00:48:12.286
Sometimes the mentor will reach out to you

00:48:13.543 --> 00:48:14.465
But if they don't,

00:48:15.126 --> 00:48:16.626
go ask someone if they

00:48:16.666 --> 00:48:19.869
would consider having a

00:48:19.969 --> 00:48:21.492
formal mentorship

00:48:21.532 --> 00:48:24.233
relationship with you or even informal.

00:48:24.855 --> 00:48:26.115
Just would they be willing

00:48:26.155 --> 00:48:27.336
to sit down for a cup of

00:48:27.396 --> 00:48:29.739
coffee with you and have

00:48:29.778 --> 00:48:31.380
the opportunity to chat

00:48:31.481 --> 00:48:32.481
about certain things?

00:48:33.168 --> 00:48:35.010
but you will learn

00:48:35.210 --> 00:48:37.672
exponentially from having

00:48:37.692 --> 00:48:40.313
the opportunity to develop

00:48:40.353 --> 00:48:41.815
that relationship and have

00:48:41.896 --> 00:48:44.358
a mentor-ee relationship,

00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:46.940
both personally and professionally.

00:48:48.722 --> 00:48:50.903
Yeah, mentoring, a powerful tool for sure.

00:48:50.923 --> 00:48:51.605
Nancy?

00:48:53.197 --> 00:48:56.001
So I love what Annette and Jen have said,

00:48:56.021 --> 00:48:57.184
and those are really important.

00:48:57.204 --> 00:48:58.666
I think people have to find their own way.

00:48:58.766 --> 00:49:02.550
But basically, it's show up, offer to help,

00:49:03.052 --> 00:49:04.373
do what you say you're going to do,

00:49:04.393 --> 00:49:06.275
and be somebody that people

00:49:06.496 --> 00:49:08.179
can count on because you don't.

00:49:09.344 --> 00:49:10.704
realize how rare that is you

00:49:10.985 --> 00:49:11.784
know people are always

00:49:11.844 --> 00:49:12.724
wanting to sort of be in

00:49:12.764 --> 00:49:13.804
the spotlight a bit but to

00:49:13.885 --> 00:49:16.085
be able to to to do what

00:49:16.106 --> 00:49:17.005
you say you're going to do

00:49:17.326 --> 00:49:19.367
and you know and and show

00:49:19.527 --> 00:49:20.806
up and that's there's

00:49:20.927 --> 00:49:22.327
there's just a lot that

00:49:22.367 --> 00:49:26.909
gets you 90 of the way very

00:49:26.949 --> 00:49:28.369
good really good advice

00:49:28.429 --> 00:49:29.429
good recommendations

00:49:30.407 --> 00:49:31.186
All right,

00:49:31.206 --> 00:49:33.268
so we'll do one last round robin here,

00:49:33.327 --> 00:49:34.467
kind of final thoughts,

00:49:35.288 --> 00:49:36.949
looking back on your

00:49:37.068 --> 00:49:38.349
association with the

00:49:38.409 --> 00:49:39.849
section slash academy.

00:49:40.809 --> 00:49:42.829
Final thoughts, fondest memories,

00:49:42.849 --> 00:49:45.311
maybe any regrets that you may have had.

00:49:46.710 --> 00:49:47.731
Babette, start with you.

00:49:52.873 --> 00:49:55.172
You know, I don't think so.

00:49:55.253 --> 00:49:56.693
I'm grateful for having had

00:49:56.733 --> 00:49:57.614
the opportunity

00:49:58.436 --> 00:49:59.856
that early in my career

00:50:00.217 --> 00:50:01.918
because I really believe that it,

00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:05.663
it got my feet on the ground, um,

00:50:05.802 --> 00:50:07.704
helped me see my, uh,

00:50:08.545 --> 00:50:10.146
ability to contribute to a

00:50:10.188 --> 00:50:13.110
board and really helped

00:50:13.190 --> 00:50:16.434
launch a long and very, um,

00:50:18.376 --> 00:50:20.757
fruitful for me and

00:50:20.797 --> 00:50:21.657
hopefully for the

00:50:21.896 --> 00:50:22.556
profession and the

00:50:22.597 --> 00:50:24.918
association relationship

00:50:25.458 --> 00:50:27.077
and many other leadership

00:50:27.777 --> 00:50:30.778
opportunities and growth opportunities.

00:50:31.358 --> 00:50:34.119
So I don't have any regrets.

00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:36.541
The one thing I learned was

00:50:36.601 --> 00:50:39.440
that being a treasurer was not my forte.

00:50:39.460 --> 00:50:42.342
I did not enjoy being a

00:50:42.402 --> 00:50:44.862
treasurer and perhaps now I would.

00:50:46.273 --> 00:50:47.735
Because a treasurer's role

00:50:47.795 --> 00:50:49.757
in most of the academies or

00:50:49.936 --> 00:50:51.458
even chapters is a much

00:50:51.518 --> 00:50:53.780
more global role of

00:50:53.940 --> 00:50:56.943
influencing how dollars are

00:50:57.244 --> 00:50:59.266
obtained and spent versus

00:50:59.365 --> 00:51:00.567
balancing the checkbook.

00:51:01.427 --> 00:51:02.349
But that's one thing I've

00:51:02.409 --> 00:51:03.690
never done in all my other

00:51:03.769 --> 00:51:05.652
APTA roles is I've never

00:51:05.711 --> 00:51:06.793
been a treasurer again.

00:51:06.813 --> 00:51:09.454
So you learn from doing.

00:51:11.844 --> 00:51:13.405
you learn from what you

00:51:13.445 --> 00:51:15.144
don't want to do in in the

00:51:15.204 --> 00:51:16.905
future so I have no regrets

00:51:17.085 --> 00:51:20.186
at all yeah jan fondest

00:51:20.226 --> 00:51:23.807
memories final thoughts uh

00:51:24.307 --> 00:51:26.208
I likewise do not have any

00:51:26.288 --> 00:51:27.849
regrets I would do it all

00:51:27.929 --> 00:51:29.309
again and hopefully be

00:51:29.389 --> 00:51:30.809
better at it for all the

00:51:30.889 --> 00:51:32.309
experience that I know now

00:51:32.389 --> 00:51:34.911
that I didn't know then I have two

00:51:35.949 --> 00:51:37.110
fondest memories,

00:51:37.710 --> 00:51:39.090
most wonderful memories of

00:51:39.170 --> 00:51:40.992
my time with the orthopedic section,

00:51:41.192 --> 00:51:43.873
and that is the opportunity

00:51:43.932 --> 00:51:47.014
in 1988 to have been able

00:51:47.134 --> 00:51:49.755
to develop the Black Tying

00:51:49.855 --> 00:51:54.056
Roses event and recognize

00:51:54.115 --> 00:51:56.056
and honor Dr. Steven J.

00:51:57.137 --> 00:51:59.297
Rose for all of his

00:51:59.438 --> 00:52:01.199
contributions as the first

00:52:01.259 --> 00:52:03.179
recipient of that award.

00:52:04.875 --> 00:52:06.896
He unfortunately passed away

00:52:06.916 --> 00:52:07.996
the following year,

00:52:08.737 --> 00:52:10.239
but that Black Tie and

00:52:10.318 --> 00:52:13.001
Roses event continued on for many,

00:52:13.061 --> 00:52:14.262
many years when we were

00:52:14.382 --> 00:52:16.744
able to recognize all of

00:52:16.884 --> 00:52:19.786
the contributors in our

00:52:19.865 --> 00:52:21.987
profession who were making

00:52:22.949 --> 00:52:25.650
great advances and gains in

00:52:25.690 --> 00:52:27.632
the area of research for

00:52:27.692 --> 00:52:28.992
the orthopedic section.

00:52:29.132 --> 00:52:30.614
So that was very helpful.

00:52:32.106 --> 00:52:34.547
My second fondest memory was

00:52:34.568 --> 00:52:39.670
the fact that the APTA had

00:52:39.730 --> 00:52:41.831
started a small minority

00:52:41.891 --> 00:52:43.210
scholarship fund.

00:52:44.371 --> 00:52:47.132
And after a year or two,

00:52:47.152 --> 00:52:48.994
I think they only had about

00:52:48.994 --> 00:52:51.755
$500 worth of contributions.

00:52:52.934 --> 00:52:55.155
And we brought the idea to

00:52:55.335 --> 00:52:58.577
the board to do a minority

00:52:58.637 --> 00:53:00.838
scholarship orthopedic challenge.

00:53:01.362 --> 00:53:05.206
And that was if within 12 months,

00:53:05.626 --> 00:53:08.047
if the minority scholarship

00:53:08.288 --> 00:53:11.028
committee for the APTA

00:53:11.208 --> 00:53:14.492
could raise $10,000,

00:53:14.492 --> 00:53:17.092
the orthopedic section

00:53:17.132 --> 00:53:20.228
would match that $10,000.

00:53:20.228 --> 00:53:22.871
And it was fascinating to

00:53:22.990 --> 00:53:24.773
see how the other sections,

00:53:25.233 --> 00:53:26.675
how the other chapters

00:53:27.155 --> 00:53:28.456
really embraced that

00:53:28.556 --> 00:53:30.538
challenge and helped them

00:53:30.898 --> 00:53:34.201
to raise not only the $10,000,

00:53:34.201 --> 00:53:35.161
but exceed that.

00:53:35.681 --> 00:53:37.943
And then we gladly matched

00:53:38.583 --> 00:53:40.985
the $10,000 at the end of the year.

00:53:41.507 --> 00:53:43.068
And that really helped to

00:53:43.248 --> 00:53:45.329
kick off the minority scholarship.

00:53:45.907 --> 00:53:48.128
on a much more solid and

00:53:48.230 --> 00:53:50.731
financial basis to

00:53:50.751 --> 00:53:52.652
recognize minority students

00:53:52.731 --> 00:53:54.693
going forward to be great

00:53:54.853 --> 00:53:55.813
physical therapists.

00:53:57.876 --> 00:53:58.175
Very good.

00:53:58.315 --> 00:53:58.856
And Nancy?

00:54:00.137 --> 00:54:01.097
Is my internet okay?

00:54:01.117 --> 00:54:02.958
Can you hear me okay still?

00:54:02.998 --> 00:54:03.239
Yes.

00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:04.260
Okay.

00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:05.059
It just looks like it was

00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:05.800
being a little spotty.

00:54:07.601 --> 00:54:09.202
So I have spent

00:54:10.182 --> 00:54:12.485
last 15 years on the staff

00:54:12.525 --> 00:54:13.724
side of nonprofits and

00:54:13.764 --> 00:54:15.166
before that I spent 15 or

00:54:15.166 --> 00:54:17.148
20 30 years on the member

00:54:17.188 --> 00:54:19.528
side of nonprofits and I'd

00:54:19.548 --> 00:54:20.530
just like to give a little

00:54:20.570 --> 00:54:22.710
shout out to the importance

00:54:23.032 --> 00:54:25.373
of the staff in keeping

00:54:25.413 --> 00:54:26.594
this organization going I

00:54:26.673 --> 00:54:27.655
remember years ago when I

00:54:27.675 --> 00:54:28.355
was in the program

00:54:28.375 --> 00:54:29.416
committee and we all

00:54:29.456 --> 00:54:30.376
thought we were doing all

00:54:30.396 --> 00:54:31.237
the work because we were

00:54:31.257 --> 00:54:32.137
getting the speakers and we

00:54:32.157 --> 00:54:33.117
were showing up and we were

00:54:33.137 --> 00:54:34.659
being nice dollar friends

00:54:34.699 --> 00:54:35.659
and all that and I remember

00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:36.960
terry getting up and she

00:54:37.001 --> 00:54:38.762
said I'll be back I'm going

00:54:38.782 --> 00:54:39.802
to count the brownies

00:54:40.503 --> 00:54:41.163
It's like, what?

00:54:41.543 --> 00:54:42.724
You count the brownies?

00:54:43.083 --> 00:54:43.704
She said, yes,

00:54:43.764 --> 00:54:44.684
because sometimes they don't

00:54:44.744 --> 00:54:45.605
give us enough and I've got

00:54:45.625 --> 00:54:46.545
to count the sodas and I've

00:54:46.585 --> 00:54:47.525
got to do all of this stuff.

00:54:47.585 --> 00:54:48.746
And it's like, you know,

00:54:48.766 --> 00:54:50.126
there is a whole world that

00:54:50.186 --> 00:54:51.706
goes on under that.

00:54:51.766 --> 00:54:53.668
And I think with the orthopedic section,

00:54:53.987 --> 00:54:55.447
you know, the financial management,

00:54:55.527 --> 00:54:57.248
the investment management, the staff.

00:54:57.742 --> 00:54:59.063
management that Terry does

00:54:59.143 --> 00:55:00.063
and the planning and the

00:55:00.505 --> 00:55:01.686
strategy and working with

00:55:01.726 --> 00:55:02.987
all the vendors and all of that,

00:55:03.047 --> 00:55:06.150
that it's so great to have

00:55:06.190 --> 00:55:07.371
an organization that's had

00:55:07.471 --> 00:55:10.193
that sort of longevity with

00:55:10.233 --> 00:55:12.315
their staff that have kept

00:55:12.355 --> 00:55:14.077
this going and that allows

00:55:14.157 --> 00:55:15.597
all of us to feel like that

00:55:15.637 --> 00:55:16.518
we're doing such a great

00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.061
job because they're keeping

00:55:18.121 --> 00:55:19.501
the boat going behind us.

00:55:19.601 --> 00:55:20.342
And I just want to

00:55:21.063 --> 00:55:22.384
at this 50th anniversary,

00:55:22.925 --> 00:55:24.045
give a shout out to them

00:55:24.125 --> 00:55:26.606
who have been there almost

00:55:26.686 --> 00:55:27.807
as long as the organization

00:55:27.827 --> 00:55:28.427
has been around.

00:55:28.507 --> 00:55:30.869
And I appreciate my friendships with them.

00:55:30.909 --> 00:55:32.110
They took care of my babies

00:55:32.170 --> 00:55:33.150
when I would bring them in

00:55:33.632 --> 00:55:34.992
to La Crosse at our meetings.

00:55:35.112 --> 00:55:37.954
And I've watched them raise

00:55:37.974 --> 00:55:39.496
their children and all

00:55:39.916 --> 00:55:41.376
become grandparents and all of that.

00:55:41.416 --> 00:55:44.679
So it's been a joy to know them.

00:55:44.739 --> 00:55:45.800
And I think we're all better

00:55:45.860 --> 00:55:47.320
off for their great

00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:49.322
contributions and their many,

00:55:49.342 --> 00:55:50.342
many hours of service.

00:55:51.675 --> 00:55:53.835
We're not much better off.

00:55:53.896 --> 00:55:54.215
Yes.

00:55:56.257 --> 00:55:57.498
That's great insight.

00:55:58.958 --> 00:55:59.219
Again,

00:55:59.318 --> 00:56:02.300
thank you for making time to do this

00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:02.740
today.

00:56:03.768 --> 00:56:04.869
You know, on behalf of the Academy,

00:56:04.909 --> 00:56:05.951
thank you for all your

00:56:05.990 --> 00:56:07.632
contributions over the

00:56:07.731 --> 00:56:09.693
decades that really helped

00:56:09.753 --> 00:56:11.054
shape the organization.

00:56:11.153 --> 00:56:12.375
And as we mentioned early on,

00:56:12.394 --> 00:56:13.576
it doesn't even beyond into

00:56:13.596 --> 00:56:14.235
the profession.

00:56:14.255 --> 00:56:16.617
And you mentioned some other

00:56:16.677 --> 00:56:17.599
names of women in

00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:19.380
particular who assumed

00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:20.981
important leadership roles.

00:56:21.001 --> 00:56:22.641
You mentioned Carolyn Wadsworth,

00:56:22.762 --> 00:56:25.563
who was secretary back in the late 70s,

00:56:25.643 --> 00:56:26.605
early 80s,

00:56:26.664 --> 00:56:28.766
and then was the fifth

00:56:28.847 --> 00:56:30.547
president of the organization.

00:56:31.507 --> 00:56:32.449
Dorothy Santee,

00:56:32.608 --> 00:56:35.471
who was secretary in the mid to late 70s,

00:56:35.570 --> 00:56:36.512
then on the Finance

00:56:36.552 --> 00:56:37.371
Committee and served as

00:56:37.391 --> 00:56:38.233
treasurer in the 1990s.

00:56:38.393 --> 00:56:38.893
I mean,

00:56:39.092 --> 00:56:41.934
her role spanned the first 25 years.

00:56:42.755 --> 00:56:43.916
Nidhigalarsh also,

00:56:44.137 --> 00:56:45.938
who was the president after you, Jan,

00:56:45.958 --> 00:56:47.438
also had a big role in the

00:56:47.458 --> 00:56:49.159
Education Committee beforehand.

00:56:50.601 --> 00:56:51.882
So there's been a number of

00:56:52.001 --> 00:56:53.282
women who've made a huge

00:56:53.382 --> 00:56:55.184
impact on this organization.

00:56:55.224 --> 00:56:56.264
And thank you for the three

00:56:56.304 --> 00:56:57.146
of you for representing

00:56:57.166 --> 00:56:58.206
them so well today.

00:56:59.181 --> 00:57:00.563
So good luck.

00:57:01.224 --> 00:57:03.750
And that ends our recording.

00:57:04.652 --> 00:57:05.813
So, Jimmy, you're still there.

00:57:05.833 --> 00:57:08.719
Well, thank you, Bill.

00:57:08.759 --> 00:57:09.902
We appreciate that.