WEBVTT 00:00:06.640 --> 00:00:08.000 It's six Eastern. 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:09.600 It's three o'clock Pacific. 00:00:09.760 --> 00:00:16.880 We will draw this city closer together, coast to coast and around the world from the America Out Loud Talk Radio Studios. 00:00:17.040 --> 00:00:22.160 We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism. 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:26.160 It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott. 00:00:27.040 --> 00:00:31.440 There are so many problems in this nation and this world. 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:34.160 Do we need another one to worry about? 00:00:34.480 --> 00:00:40.320 Well, I think we should at least dig into it and find out what medical kidnapping is all about. 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:44.080 It's gone on for years, and you may not know anything about it. 00:00:44.160 --> 00:00:50.080 And that's what we're going to do tonight is help you understand this problem that's happening right here in America. 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:52.480 It's called medical kidnapping. 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:55.360 And Google searches for those two words. 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:59.520 They have spiked 300% since 2023. 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.600 So a lot of people are finding out about it, and a lot of people are learning about it. 00:01:03.760 --> 00:01:05.840 That's what we're going to do here in this hour. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:11.120 I'm Booker Scott, and this is The Truth Be Told on America Out Loud Talk Radio. 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:17.440 Thank you so much for joining us live tonight, or if you found us later on the podcast, thank you for doing that. 00:01:18.160 --> 00:01:20.080 Joining the program tonight will be Dr. 00:01:20.240 --> 00:01:23.600 Irene Mavercock, as she has been on this program a couple of times. 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:28.560 She's a friend of mine, a colleague in freedom and liberty for this nation. 00:01:28.800 --> 00:01:30.720 She is also vaccine injured. 00:01:30.880 --> 00:01:32.960 That happened to her in 2012. 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:38.480 Since then, a big part of her medical practice has been helping those who are vaccine injured. 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:43.840 She's been a busy person since 2020, and the vaccine started for COVID. 00:01:44.160 --> 00:01:44.400 Dr. 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:47.840 Irene Maverickakas, thank you for joining us here on this program. 00:01:48.160 --> 00:01:49.360 Well, thank you, Booker. 00:01:49.520 --> 00:01:54.720 And it's just been wonderful getting to know you and becoming friends and colleagues in liberty. 00:01:54.960 --> 00:01:57.840 I really appreciate doing these spaces with you. 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:08.160 And I look forward to a great discussion on medical freedom, informed consent, definitions of medical neglect and what mandatory reporters are. 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:13.680 And super excited as you introduce Spike Cohen, who's another friend and colleague in Liberty. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:14.240 Yeah. 00:02:14.480 --> 00:02:15.600 Liberty and freedom. 00:02:15.760 --> 00:02:20.080 It seems like when it comes to medical advice, we all should have that. 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:22.880 We go into a doctor's office, and there's the white coat. 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:27.440 And I have friends and family members, their blood pressure goes up when they see the white coat. 00:02:27.600 --> 00:02:35.520 We should have that respect for that doctor, but not over-asking questions and having them legitimately answer them for us. 00:02:35.760 --> 00:02:40.480 And sometimes I don't know that they are capable of actually answering the questions that we ask. 00:02:40.640 --> 00:02:43.680 And that's what comes into informed consent. 00:02:43.760 --> 00:02:46.480 And we're going to get into that here on this program. 00:02:46.720 --> 00:02:48.480 I want to introduce the next guest. 00:02:48.640 --> 00:02:50.080 His name is Spike Cohen. 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.680 Spike is the founder of You Are the Power. 00:02:53.760 --> 00:03:00.000 It's a nonprofit, but before that, in 2020, he was the vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party. 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:01.920 He was on that ticket in 2020. 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:03.520 Spike, it's great to have you. 00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:04.480 Welcome to the program. 00:03:04.720 --> 00:03:05.440 Thank you, Booker. 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:06.480 It's great to be on. 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.560 And yeah, at You Are the Power. 00:03:08.640 --> 00:03:11.360 We protect people against abuse of local governments. 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:23.360 And we fight to ensure not only that the abuse stops happening to those families and those individuals, but also that uh we ensure changes that ensure that that abuse never happens again. 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:36.720 And that can look like um keeping people from losing their homes to eminent domain, um, fighting to get bogus charges dropped against people, getting corrupt officials to either uh change their ways or resign in disgrace. 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:50.320 Uh and uh relevant to what we're talking about today, uh it increasingly it uh also looks like us reuniting families who where parents were wrongfully accused of abuse, their children were essentially stolen from them in order to be trafficked. 00:03:50.480 --> 00:04:13.360 And the reason that I use the term trafficked is because their funding, both federally and state, is tied to how many people they accuse of abuse, how many children they take, how long those children are put in foster care, and a bunch of other perverse incentive structures that encourage them to take children at scale, knowing very often that there's no good reason for them to be doing it. 00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:16.160 Uh, we've successfully reunited multiple families. 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:25.200 Uh, we've gotten legislation passed in Georgia, a bill called Ridges Law, and uh which uh which helps to make it a lot harder for them to do that. 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:39.600 And um, we are working on getting similar legislation passed in uh in uh multiple states across the country, and we are in the meantime, we are continuing to find families that have had this happen to them and to reunite them as we've already done for so many others. 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.320 Well, thank you for that great work, and let's talk about something specifically as we start off here. 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:47.040 Let's talk about medical kidnapping. 00:04:47.200 --> 00:04:50.800 Someone may hear that and wonder what in the world is that about. 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:59.200 Please explain that to the audience and then what happens from there, and I believe that brings in your work and what you're trying to do and reunite people. 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:01.200 But let's talk about medical kidnapping. 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:14.640 Yeah, broadly speaking, uh, when I use the term medical kidnapping, I'm referring to the use of the medical system via the state to seize children from parents who have done nothing wrong. 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.880 And that can broadly be put into two different categories. 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:47.840 One of them is where um a uh a hospital system or a doctor will recommend a certain treatment or course of treatment um or vaccination or or something like that, and the some kind of medical uh recommendation of some kind for a child, and the parent will say, no, I would like a second opinion, and instead of not acting like a psychopath and allowing the parents to make decisions for their children, um, they accuse them of neglect and abuse. 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:58.160 They bring the state in, they take their kids, um, and uh and and you know, say, well, we're we're saving the lives of these children by taking them from their evil parents who wanted a second opinion. 00:05:58.400 --> 00:06:13.120 And very often these things are tied to drugs that have black box warnings, um, all sorts of of scary things that the parents at the very least have the right to make that that that other opinion, um, or to get another opinion. 00:06:13.440 --> 00:06:25.920 The other form, uh, and I I consider this a type of medical kidnapping as well, is when a child uh has injuries that are completely explained by a chronic health condition they have. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:41.200 So Ellers Danlow syndrome, metabolic bone disorder, um osteogenesis imperfecta, uh complications from the birth uh during the the actual process of the birth um or things that they went through during gestation. 00:06:41.280 --> 00:06:45.120 There's a medical explanation for the injuries that they have. 00:06:46.000 --> 00:07:02.640 Those medical explanations are intentionally ignored by both the medical establishment and the uh um uh and the uh the uh child protective agencies, and they basically pretend that the children were abused and that that's what caused the injuries. 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:10.240 Um they do this despite uh actual diagnoses from uh medical experts who don't get their funding from uh taking children. 00:07:10.400 --> 00:07:16.960 Um the family court judges are on all of these cases and on it uh because that's how they get their funding as well. 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.800 And like I said, it's it in both cases, it is a type of child trafficking. 00:07:20.880 --> 00:07:27.920 It is the taking of children from innocent parents to give to another family with a financial incentive built in. 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.520 I was gonna ask where these children go, but I think you just answered it. 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:32.800 They go to another family. 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.640 How is that family chosen? 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:38.240 Are they just uh, you know, are adopting children? 00:07:38.400 --> 00:07:41.600 What what does the state do with those children when they take them? 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:43.040 Well, it depends on the state. 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:51.280 Uh, usually they go into the foster care system, and very often they go for quite some time because that's how uh that's part of how they get their money. 00:07:51.440 --> 00:07:57.920 Um the longer the children can be in the foster care system, the more money they get, which is why they're going for the youngest children possible. 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:16.960 So, you know, if you have a very young child who uh weeks old, sometimes days old, is already showing signs of um neonatal rickets or like I said, complications from the actual birthing process, all of which has either been documented or will soon be documented uh once the actual injuries are discovered. 00:08:17.200 --> 00:08:23.200 Um that's like the prime thing for them because they could be in the foster care system for a decade or longer. 00:08:23.520 --> 00:08:31.440 And um the idea eventually is once the parental rights have truly been terminated, then they can be placed for adoption. 00:08:31.520 --> 00:08:33.680 But that doesn't mean that they immediately go to a family. 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:35.040 There's a lot of red tape there. 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:40.160 So what ends up happening is they're in whatever the foster care system looks like in that state. 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:41.920 Some states are worse than others. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:45.600 Um in Georgia, they've lost two thousand children. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.640 Um in just since 2020. 00:08:48.880 --> 00:08:53.200 And the uh the reason is they just don't have enough foster families. 00:08:53.280 --> 00:08:59.120 Um, and so uh the kids go into um all sorts of uh all sorts of situations. 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:08.160 They go into um uh if they're old enough, quote unquote old enough, if they're in their teens, they'll often just put them in hotel rooms, um, which is nuts. 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:17.440 Um they'll often have them in uh if they're adolescents, they'll often have them uh sleeping in the um the offices of the CPS workers. 00:09:17.680 --> 00:09:27.040 Um the uh in um New Hampshire, they've built what is essentially a a prison, which is called the Senunu Youth Center where children as young as six. 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.280 Uh again, these are children that have done nothing wrong. 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:33.040 They are they're the state actually believes that they have been abused. 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.480 Umly have they done nothing wrong, they they consider them victims of abuse. 00:09:36.560 --> 00:09:42.720 They put them in a prison with juvenile offenders, and I I I don't have to tell you what happens to the in a situation like that. 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:51.520 But that's so it really depends on the state on how just how at scale they are taking uh children to the point where they really have nowhere to put them. 00:09:51.680 --> 00:09:54.560 In some cases, they're literally building prisons to put them in there. 00:09:54.800 --> 00:09:58.880 Coming youth centers that are part of a a prison. 00:09:59.200 --> 00:09:59.840 Okay, coming through. 00:10:00.160 --> 00:10:06.800 Through uh 2020 and COVID and the 21, we had medical tyranny in a lot of ways when it came to the vaccine. 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:22.000 And that's what you're talking about here on one side of it before you get to the injuries that may have occurred that they do not think they being the medical uh professionals do not believe happened naturally because they have a disease or some other reason. 00:10:22.160 --> 00:10:28.240 But let's get to the medical tyranny part of it, because you have some states, I would assume that are worse than others. 00:10:28.400 --> 00:10:41.520 And if you do not follow, I'm assuming the vaccine schedule as the state put out and you question it, and you mentioned that if you just say I want a second opinion, then they can put you on their that list and your child is going to be taken from you. 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:42.480 Is that what you're saying? 00:10:42.880 --> 00:10:43.360 Absolutely. 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.000 And I Irene can definitely get uh more deeply into the vaccine end of it, but that's true as well. 00:10:48.160 --> 00:10:57.040 We've had parents who uh had chosen not to have their children vaccinated for certain things, and when they're when their kids were seized, they received every vaccine. 00:10:57.280 --> 00:11:03.120 Um we actually had a um this isn't specific to vaccines, but it is to uh medical second opinion. 00:11:03.280 --> 00:11:17.360 So we had a um uh a mother in Texas who uh took her, I forget how old, but it was a matter of months old child to a doctor because he was uh showing signs of uh of an infection. 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:28.640 And the doctor recommended, I forget the name of it, but it was a um it was an antibiotic that when she looked it up on her phone, it said, do not give to children under 12, I think, or something like that. 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.760 No, he was nowhere near the age that had a black box warning. 00:11:31.920 --> 00:11:37.280 And so she got a second opinion, and they said, Yeah, there we would never give a child that that drug. 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:40.480 We'll we'll put him on whatever the recommended antibiotic was. 00:11:40.640 --> 00:11:41.520 And so they did that. 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:48.800 But while that was happening, the other doctor uh had the police uh or had uh CPS there in Texas seize her child. 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:55.280 Uh the child was uh uh put under the care of the hospital system of this of under this doctor's care. 00:11:55.440 --> 00:12:10.960 He had the child given that um that drug, and the child almost died um until they finally uh started having strokes and uh and seizures and all sorts of things, and uh and they had to take the child off of that drug, and uh lo and behold, the child was okay again. 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:21.200 And um, so that was a case where the mother was uh it was a doctor that was being uh that was engaging in malpractice by recommending that drug in the first place. 00:12:21.280 --> 00:12:26.880 Um, but because he's the doctor, he's tied in with that uh so-called child protective system. 00:12:27.040 --> 00:12:30.160 Um he was able to have the child taken from her. 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.600 Um, and she we are still fighting to help her get that that kid back. 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:34.080 Yeah. 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:36.240 So it it's not about politics, is it? 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:46.240 Because you have talked about Texas, you've talked about Georgia, and a lot of people would think that maybe a blue state would be you know more tyrannical when it came to vaccines. 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:47.840 But let's talk about vaccines real quick. 00:12:47.920 --> 00:12:48.800 Let's get Dr. 00:12:48.880 --> 00:12:50.800 Irene Maverkakis in here. 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:59.120 Let's talk about vaccines on the schedule and and what you see as a doctor when this happens to these kids in medical kidnapping. 00:12:59.520 --> 00:13:00.560 Well, thank you, Booker. 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:05.040 And I think it's important to discuss what is the context of this. 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:23.440 The context of this is the concept of what is medical neglect, and there's both the general definition of medical neglect, and then there's the legal definitions in each state, and then the concept of mandatory reporting, and then more importantly, you know, what is informed consent, right? 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:29.920 So government doctors and healthcare providers, their duty is to protect life and they work for us. 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:43.520 And in these United States, we have a right to informed consent, which is the free ability to climb, and without that declination being tied to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness and taking your kid away by all means is infringement upon your civil liberties. 00:13:43.760 --> 00:13:56.720 So the concept of mandatory reporting, a lot of us, including me in my own state as a physician, we are mandatory reporters, and so are a lot of teachers and healthcare providers, and and what does that mean? 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:10.400 So it means that if we have a reasonable degree of suspicion that some sort of abuse is happening, we are required to report and it's tied to fines and licensure for us. 00:14:10.640 --> 00:14:14.960 So what is the spirit and letter of that in Delaware, for example? 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.120 So, real quick, let me interrupt you, Irene. 00:14:17.280 --> 00:14:18.000 I I'm sorry. 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:29.520 I want people to understand that you could lose your license and your livelihood if you do not report something that you see as abuse or if they are not taking a vaccine that is on the schedule. 00:14:29.680 --> 00:14:32.800 You could literally lose your livelihood over this, couldn't you? 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.280 Well, A, I don't give vaccines because that's not part of my specialty. 00:14:37.440 --> 00:15:09.680 And given a vaccine can be used, someone refusing a vaccine that is on the vaccine schedule, has been in some states and some places used as the beginning to open up a CPA CPS case uh by a physician who had the view that you know vaccines are a hundred percent safe and effective, which is not true, and that you know, if you refuse uh you should be reported to CPS. 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.320 So those cases have happened. 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:16.000 Um I don't have specific details about those cases. 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:19.920 So that is something that um has happened. 00:15:20.160 --> 00:15:25.920 Now, this mandatory reporting, every two years I have to take one hour CME. 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:32.960 Most doctors have to take one hour CME in order to renew your license, you cannot actually go to renew unless you take this mandatory course. 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:43.520 And I just want people to understand the difference between what we're talking about, medical kidnapping and the spirit and letter of these mandatory reporting and neglect. 00:15:43.760 --> 00:15:51.120 The reason why Delaware had a law put in about 10 years ago was because there was a physician in Delaware, Dr. 00:15:51.280 --> 00:16:01.600 Bradley, who for decades was taking children who were coming to his practice to see him into his basement and sexually abusing them and videotaping them. 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:09.920 And the idea that all those people in and out of that office didn't know that that was going on, he is in jail. 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:17.600 And what he would do is they would schedule, never do this, and it's a little bit of a digression, but it's really important. 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:27.520 He would schedule like a young mom who's has three young kids and the dad's working, and they give them all the same appointment and tell them they had to be in different rooms. 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:28.640 Very weird. 00:16:28.800 --> 00:16:32.000 But that was the way that he got access to them. 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:37.280 That is the context of this various sorts of mandatory reporting. 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:49.840 And you know, there are instances of kids being abused in different situations, but we have to err on the side of the concept that we have to allow patients and parents to have informed consent. 00:16:50.080 --> 00:17:06.640 So when you go to the doctor with your child and they say this is a drug I recommend to your child, and these are the risks and benefits, but I would tell you that almost all the time in these United States, there's no informed consent for vaccines, and there's no informed consent for a lot of medications. 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:31.040 But if we pretend that they actually tried to give informed consent and you chose to decline, that is your right, as the protector of the bodily autonomy of your child, which is so far different from literally it's obvious that the child is getting beaten at home and has evidence of malnutrition and things like that. 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:34.880 Now, there's mistakes that happen all the time, and Spike will give you this example. 00:17:35.040 --> 00:17:45.520 So kid with the multiple broken bones, if the doctor doesn't bother to run the differential diagnosis and see that the reason why the kid has broken bones is because they have a medical condition that gives them brittle bone disease. 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:58.800 And that's a big crux of the problem, is oftentimes doctors are not looking at the more unusual and less common medical conditions that lead to things that can mimic or present themselves as abuse. 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:15.520 And some of those cases include some of those shaken baby kids where the parents, when you watch the court cases, you're like, there's no way that parent, you know, shook that baby and killed that kid, you know, because you know, you're if you just deal with people, and some of those were vaccine injuries. 00:18:15.760 --> 00:18:23.760 If you go back and look at some of the data, there was high levels of histamine in the brain related to allergic reactions, they were really SIDS deaths, all those kinds of things. 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:28.160 And so it's a very, very, very important line that we have to draw. 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:40.400 There's a big difference between medical neglect, and there is a mandatory reporting requirement, but informed consent, an individual bodily autonomy, and the parent is the protector of that child, has to take precedence. 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:42.400 Spike, I want to come back to you real quick. 00:18:42.560 --> 00:18:45.760 You were talking about missing children, 2,000 this year. 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:52.080 How many missing children do you think there are in this country as a result of medical kidnapping? 00:18:52.320 --> 00:18:55.360 I mean, we already know it's in the thousands just in Georgia alone. 00:18:55.440 --> 00:19:02.480 So it would be not remotely unreasonable to think that it could be in the tens of thousands across the country, if not the hundreds of thousands. 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:12.720 Um, and when I say missing, um, very often a lot of these kids uh that that go missing are are adolescents and teens. 00:19:13.040 --> 00:19:15.280 A lot of them are probably being trafficked. 00:19:15.360 --> 00:19:23.760 I mean, after all, they were living in hotel rooms and often in the same, you know, a whole block of rooms on a hotel with a bunch of other teenagers. 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:30.000 Now, if you're looking for kids and teens to traffic, I mean, you just hit a cornucopia there, right? 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:47.360 And it's and in fact, there was actually a situation in New Hampshire um where they were catching um uh actual uh abuse happening, um, where officials were looking the other way, and and there's uh if I recall there were even allegations that um that they were actually being paid to give them access to these kids. 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:52.800 But I mean, no, it's it's it's the most horrific things that you can think about that are happening in these scenarios. 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.440 Um, and uh things I don't even want to repeat. 00:19:55.600 --> 00:19:59.680 But uh yeah, no, I mean there's there's many of them that are missing, and and I will say, and 00:20:00.080 --> 00:20:03.440 This is certainly not in their defense, but putting some more context in it. 00:20:03.600 --> 00:20:05.360 A lot of them just aged out. 00:20:05.760 --> 00:20:10.400 A lot of them are just over the age of 18 now, and there's no reason for them to report. 00:20:10.560 --> 00:20:12.640 And we don't know what happened. 00:20:12.800 --> 00:20:15.120 They might have just gone home to their families. 00:20:15.280 --> 00:20:19.120 Once they're past a certain age, they don't have to keep track of them anymore. 00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:22.880 So you picture a situation where you're wrongfully accused of abuse. 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:25.520 Your 14-year-old is taken from you. 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:28.560 You're not allowed to speak with them or have any communications with them. 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:30.400 They're living in a hotel room. 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:38.720 And, you know, around the age of 18, they just leave and come home or go to another family member. 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:43.120 Or God forbid, go off and do their own thing, and you don't even know where they are. 00:20:43.280 --> 00:20:50.640 I mean, these are these are horrific things that are happening under the the umbrella or the veil of so-called child protection. 00:20:50.800 --> 00:20:52.480 And it's no, it is no such thing. 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.320 Now, some of these kids have actually legitimately been abused. 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:58.480 And they're also going through this. 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.360 So it's it's just it's a terrible thing all around. 00:21:01.520 --> 00:21:08.000 Um, it is it is what happens, and this is my, you know, going back to my libertarian warning about government in general. 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:13.280 Um, this is the kind of things that happen when we put government in charge of something that's very important. 00:21:13.520 --> 00:21:18.720 They create weird incentive structures that often make the problem worse, or at the very least, don't improve it. 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:25.680 Um, they often create other uh uh ancillary problems related to that thing and actually worsen the issue. 00:21:25.840 --> 00:21:29.440 And um, and then every year they go, well, yeah, the problem's gotten worse. 00:21:29.520 --> 00:21:30.480 So we need more money. 00:21:30.560 --> 00:21:32.160 Yeah, and so it becomes costly. 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:37.840 Uh and and by doing in doing so, they they they rob us of the ability to really seek better alternatives. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.400 There's a way to protect children, and and this is not 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You're on a roll right now. 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:48.800 What is the answer to all of this? 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:50.320 What do you think that is? 00:24:51.040 --> 00:24:59.520 Well, I I'm increasingly skeptical that government has a role in this other than the criminal justice process. 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:06.080 If you believe that a parent has abused a child, then that is a criminal issue. 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:09.440 That is literally that is about as criminal as it gets to hurt a kid, right? 00:25:09.600 --> 00:25:15.200 Well, if it's a criminal issue, then that needs it means it needs to be held by the same standard as any other criminal accusation. 00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:16.800 There needs to be a burden of proof. 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:18.000 There needs to be discovery. 00:25:18.080 --> 00:25:22.080 There needs to be an actual investigation with law import enforcement professionals. 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:31.280 Um and if they then have a a case, well, then yes, take the children, uh, prosecute the parents to the fullest extent of the law, absolutely, all of that. 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:43.760 Um, but by having it done through so-called child protective systems and family courts, it removes all of that burden of proof and professionalism. 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:56.320 And instead, you have basically bureaucrats making on the spot decisions that are heavily influenced by the fact that their funding is directly affected by whether or not they say that the kid was uh abused or not. 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:05.440 Um, you have family court systems where in almost almost all the states, their burden of proof is whatever the judge thinks, it's arbitrarily decided. 00:26:05.600 --> 00:26:13.680 Um, I mean, there are so many situations where parents come in, they are armed to the teeth with with medical opinions and diagnoses and everything else. 00:26:13.760 --> 00:26:15.760 And the judge says, Yeah, I don't want to look at any of that. 00:26:15.840 --> 00:26:20.880 And they bring up the ER doctor that accused them of abuse, and they go, Yeah, well, I'll give you one example. 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:38.560 So in uh the Hernandez family in Georgia, um, their entire state's evidence, quote unquote, of it was no such thing, it was just the CPS case, was the ER doctor who uh who looked at the kid and said, Yeah, statistically, when you look at these types of injuries, they tend to be caused by abuse. 00:26:38.800 --> 00:26:45.920 And uh, when the attorney was asked to cite the source of that statistic, he said, Yeah, you can look it up on the internet. 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:57.360 Um, that uh doctor had never reviewed uh the actual medical records of the of uh Emma Hernandez, the child that he said was being abused, uh, because he wasn't required to. 00:26:57.600 --> 00:27:06.480 And um, he didn't seem to be familiar with the disorders that they were saying that she likely had, either neonatal rickets or osteogenesis imperfecta. 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:43.200 Um, so to go back to your question, I I think the answer is to treat this as a criminal thing and to uh and to uh eliminate this other structure which says, well, uh we think you've committed a crime, so instead of you know running you through the the your constitutionally protected process of being able to be assumed innocent until proven guilty, we're gonna put you through this other system where you are uh are are are presumed guilty and in many cases not even allowed to prove try to prove that you're innocent because well, they're not your kids anymore, so we're not even gonna give you access to their medical records to try to prove that you uh you didn't do anything wrong. 00:27:43.360 --> 00:27:46.400 So I I would say I I increasingly lean towards that. 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:55.600 I think at the very least, if you're gonna have this child protective structure, great, it has needs to have the same burden of proof, it needs to have the same um standards of due process. 00:27:55.840 --> 00:28:24.000 And uh, and um if there is a situation, uh, because they'll claim, well, there might there are exigent situations where we have to come in and take the child and not wait days and weeks to build a case, and to which I'd say, okay, well, then you know, if you have to do that, then within I don't know, 48 hours, 72 hours, you need to have some compelling proof to show to a criminal court judge to say we're gonna uh keep these children, and if you don't have that, then the kids need to go back home. 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:26.480 And I would say that that that that would be the answer. 00:28:26.800 --> 00:28:28.160 That's a great, great point. 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:34.240 And it almost seems criminal to me that the government is doing this in some ways. 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:40.320 I think there would have to be a 72-hour or a week or whatever that is to make sure that there is a case. 00:28:40.560 --> 00:28:48.400 But I think you also have to go in and get those children if it has been reported that they are being abused, because uh you can't take a chance on that. 00:28:48.560 --> 00:28:51.200 I don't believe that the government could take a chance on that. 00:28:51.280 --> 00:28:56.240 I think they have to step in, but your 72 hours or a week, whatever it may be, I think is a great point. 00:28:56.320 --> 00:29:02.640 Uh, you know, make your determination and let the kids go back to their family if you have determined that they are safe. 00:29:02.800 --> 00:29:05.120 And uh and who knows whether that's enough time. 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:05.920 But let's go to Dr. 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.360 Irene Maverakakis. 00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:08.960 What do you have to add to that? 00:29:09.360 --> 00:29:16.880 Well, I think that that is exactly what the plan needs to be, what Spike relayed, but I'm gonna be even more radical than that. 00:29:17.120 --> 00:29:25.200 I don't think that they should be able to take the kids unless they have proceeded with criminal legal proceedings. 00:29:25.360 --> 00:29:56.720 If you know, if we can get Don Lemon indicted by a grand jury in a couple of days, we can have a family court system tied to the criminal uh justice system, and we can get an emergency hearing and we can get the proper legal criminal uh requirements to take children away because I have to tell you, we're not talking about all of this, but the level of stress and trauma that these kids are having that get taken away from their parents at any juncture is lifelong problems. 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.440 And so just like anything else, you know. 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.880 Someone is abusing their girlfriend or you know, uh trying to kill them. 00:30:05.360 --> 00:30:11.760 You know, you don't you don't go to family court, you you go to the criminal justice system. 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:14.800 So I think that that's where it has to go. 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:25.920 There's gonna be pushback on this, but what's going on and what happens to children that are put in this farce care system is such horrible events with these children, lifelong consequences. 00:30:26.320 --> 00:30:28.800 Let me push back a little bit on you on that. 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.120 I think this is probably what you're talking about. 00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:45.440 You come to me and you put me um uh to uh the judge, and it takes weeks to get to the point to get an answer because there's such a backlog everywhere, and because of that, a child loses their life because they were in a dangerous situation. 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.600 How would you respond to that scenario? 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:49.440 Because that is one that could happen. 00:30:49.760 --> 00:31:01.360 Well, because in my world, we have emergency court set up and ready to go when you flip the switch to this being criminal procedure proceedings, right? 00:31:01.520 --> 00:31:07.200 Because if we're saying you know, the social workers and we want to protect the children and all of these things. 00:31:07.280 --> 00:31:22.000 If you're saying if the state wastes its money on so many other things, if you're saying that's also important to you, then make sure you have the systems in place for judge and others to be available for emergency situations where you think this kid is in eminent danger. 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:27.360 Because as soon as you have gray areas, once you take those kids, it changes everything. 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:34.800 What about activist judges like the one that uh tried to get an illegal immigrant out of her courthouse when ICE was there? 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:41.360 If those activist judges get involved, they're on the side of uh uh tyrannical medical government. 00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:42.560 What happens then? 00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:44.240 Have you given that any thought? 00:31:44.480 --> 00:32:20.160 Yeah, and that's also concerning to me, and I think that now I'm just so uh upset uh about where this country has come that our judicial system from uh local all the way through federal is so corrupted, which really translates to how corrupted and unethical all the people in the parts of our society, including medical judicial legislatives, are not anything like they're supposed to be. 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:28.800 So I don't have all the answers, but from what I know, I think we have to swing the pendulum hard and fast in the other direction. 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:33.280 Recently there was uh decision and something that came out of Florida. 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:34.880 Do you want to talk about that, Irene? 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:40.480 About the Florida Yeah, and I don't know all the details, and I haven't spoken to the lawyer. 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:42.000 I watched parts of Dr. 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:59.760 Mary Town Found's interview with the attorney, but the general gist of Florida case is that uh the girl has cystic fibrosis, which is a chronic condition, and the uh mom refused uh medication that had a black box warning. 00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:16.960 And the reason why this all hit the internet was that the social workers that came to take the child away from the mom were so disparagingly obnoxiously inappropriate and unprofessional, um, that it gave more light to this case in general. 00:33:17.520 --> 00:33:27.680 And I really think that this is a good example of how people in power get corrupted, even including the social worker. 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:37.840 Spike, you have anything to add to that, and uh, we really want to invite everybody to grab a microphone if you have questions for either one of these great guests, Spike Cohen. 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:42.000 He was the 2020 vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party. 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.640 He's very active in You Are the Power. 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.280 You've heard him discuss what's happening to this children. 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:47.600 Dr. 00:33:47.760 --> 00:33:52.800 Irene Maverakis, she is uh vaccine injured herself back to 2012. 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:58.640 That got her into the practice of vaccine injuries long before COVID ever happened. 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.440 So she has a wealth of knowledge in that as well. 00:34:01.520 --> 00:34:06.800 So if you'd like to speak, we would love to have you grab a microphone, come up here and ask a question. 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:10.240 Or if you have something to add, please by all means do that. 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.280 Spike, I'll come back to you to see if you have anything on Florida. 00:34:13.600 --> 00:34:16.800 We are actively looking to see uh how we can help that family. 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.480 Um, and it's uh it's a perfect example of what we've been talking about. 00:34:20.640 --> 00:34:50.960 So you have uh uh uh you know officials that are accusing the parents of uh neglect and abuse because they didn't go with they wanted to get a second opinion, and meanwhile, while they're taking the children, they're having to ask the you know, these are the people that are supposedly there to save the children from their parents who don't care about their their medical needs, but yet they're having to ask the parents how to administer all the various uh drugs, treatments, whatever that the children are having to get, and um, because the parents do know what's best. 00:34:51.040 --> 00:34:59.040 And I'd like to take a step back on all of this because I think when we start talking policy, we often uh muddy the waters on on what we're actually talking about. 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:12.560 Stealing children is wrong, and it's wrong whether it's being done by someone who jumps out from their van and takes your kid, or whether it's being done by a group of people who jump out of their vans uh to take your kid because they work for the government. 00:35:12.720 --> 00:35:27.120 It's still wrong, and so there's a certain level um in the the society that we live in, there's a certain level of um authority that we tolerate or grant the government having, and for some reason this is one of them. 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:38.880 If they're going to have it, it needs to have the kind of due process that we demand and require of government whenever they go to the point of trying to take our money, our children, or our freedom. 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.720 Uh, and in this case, very often both. 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:44.960 They try to take the children and try to put the parents in in prison for things that didn't happen. 00:35:45.120 --> 00:35:48.320 And so there needs to be due process in place. 00:35:48.560 --> 00:35:51.920 Um, and so this is this family is another perfect example. 00:35:52.080 --> 00:35:56.080 Another family we're working with in Florida, the Patterson family is another example. 00:35:56.160 --> 00:36:01.920 The Patterson children, very little, much like we've been saying, it is documented that they have Ellers Dan Lows. 00:36:02.080 --> 00:36:03.760 There is no evidence of abuse. 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:17.120 The officials have admitted that their injuries have been caused by Eller's Dan Lowson that there's no sign of abuse, and yet they're continuing to move forward with uh terminating the parental rights of the Patterson family and and not letting them ever see their kids again. 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:18.480 So this is a problem. 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:20.080 I want to take a hand now. 00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:22.960 Let's go to Joaquin and also Terry is here. 00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:25.040 We'll go to Terry right after Joaquin. 00:36:25.120 --> 00:36:26.000 Joaquin, go ahead. 00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:35.840 Booger, I'm hoping that you you you being on inside the house with the heater on and all that stuff, you know, working for I don't know how this happened in Florida, but it's cold. 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:42.400 And it's staying away from the trees, you know, the one that fall on your head, this only goes sometimes. 00:36:42.720 --> 00:36:45.040 But no, let's let's go straight to the point. 00:36:45.440 --> 00:37:00.560 There is uh they aiming to to destroy what we know well, some people try to sanitize like the three Faith, family, freedom, freedom, faith, family, whichever way you leak in. 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:09.040 Uh, how do you destroy the foundational society when you take the parents the kids from the parents? 00:37:09.600 --> 00:37:12.800 That's been down many times in history. 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.080 That's pure socialism, that's pure Marxism. 00:37:16.560 --> 00:37:29.120 When you deprive the parents of the authorities over the kids, the kids' future, you you destroying the future, or you trying to condition the future on a way to feed your purpose. 00:37:29.680 --> 00:37:33.120 That's what people should wake up and pay attention to. 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:43.520 There is uh uh many states are passing laws to create sanctuary cities or sanctuary states for transgenderism. 00:37:44.080 --> 00:37:51.280 An industry that uh by 2032 is gonna be around 200 and I don't know how many billions. 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:56.960 It's all about money for these people, but also it's all about power for some of them. 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:09.120 And if they have to destroy your family completely, if they have to destroy the future of your family, if they have to destroy uh the the seas that you plant in the society. 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:09.920 Guess what? 00:38:10.080 --> 00:38:11.760 You destroy the entire thing. 00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:25.040 They aiming education is one of the parental rise is one of the it's it's a serious things and uh propaganda is is taking from front stage right now. 00:38:25.200 --> 00:38:40.560 Uh I was watching uh Booker when I was when I have this interaction in the morning with you, I was watching uh a video that came out uh I think it was um Arizona kicks protesting inside Walmer. 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:48.720 All of a sudden, the schools open it up, and uh the kids, I don't know how they ended up on Walmer. 00:38:50.480 --> 00:39:07.040 To be honest with you, because by my understanding, the uh you pick up your kids or the school bosses drop your kids on certain points, or or your kids supposed to walk from home to the school or from the school to to home, the parents should be paying attention to that. 00:39:07.120 --> 00:39:19.440 And over the southern you get these kicks or they started getting uh radicalized, they started getting in through the process of activism is a seed that they've been planting for for way too long, Booker. 00:39:19.680 --> 00:39:27.520 And it's sad, it's uh the same scenes, the same patterns that I see on this country is what I was born uh uh uh and raised on it. 00:39:27.600 --> 00:39:30.560 Not because of I want it or my family want it. 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:41.040 It's because the state enforced that ruling, the monopoly of power from the state, the vibe all these three F Fs that I talked before. 00:39:41.120 --> 00:39:41.520 Thank you. 00:39:41.600 --> 00:39:43.360 I'm coming down to listen, uh, Booger. 00:39:43.680 --> 00:39:47.520 Joaquin is originally from Cuba, so he has some experience there. 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:55.760 Spike, I want your comments on that when he draws a comparison to socialism and what we see with these kids being taken away. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.200 Just give us your comments from a 30,000 foot view there. 00:39:59.600 --> 00:39:59.840 Yeah, the 00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:05.840 First thing you got to do in order to implement something like communism is to remove the very foundations that Joaquin was just talking about. 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.960 You have to remove people's faith in something greater than themselves. 00:40:09.120 --> 00:40:16.240 You have to remove the the original societal structure that everything one other is built under, which is the family. 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:23.840 Um, and uh and in doing so, uh, or as part of that, you have to take away their their freedom, their ability to make choices for themselves. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:33.280 And then at that point, they just kind of acquiesce to communism or socialism or whatever ism you're trying to impose upon them, whatever a brand of authoritarianism you're trying to impose. 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:34.560 We see this all the time. 00:40:34.720 --> 00:40:51.920 Um there are two things that the government leading led by the federal government have done to just these two things have done so much carnage to the family in this country, and both of them are part of social security, oddly enough. 00:40:52.080 --> 00:40:58.320 One is Title IV of the Social Security Act, and the other one is Title IV of the Social Security Act. 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:28.240 Um under Title IV, um, the federal government uh gives this is what we've been talking, the federal government gives money to state child protection services based on uh a variety of really perverse structures uh built around how many parents they've accused of abuse, how many children they've seized, how long the children are put in foster care, uh, whether or not the children um end up being placed permanently for adoption, and uh whether or not the children have any uh complex medical needs. 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:43.040 And so what that does is that incentivizes the government to find young children, including newborns who have illnesses that cause injuries that they can frame parents for abuse for, because that's them that's like the golden child. 00:41:43.120 --> 00:41:45.280 That's the maximum amount of funding that they can get. 00:41:45.520 --> 00:41:52.160 Title IV of the Social Security Act, which is kind of unrelated to what we're talking about, but certainly related to what Joaquin's talking about. 00:41:52.320 --> 00:42:11.600 Title IV of the Social Security Act says that the federal government will essentially match um whatever um uh whatever um child support is ordered in family courts, and it essentially goes to that family court system, which is why you see that the family courts really don't ever want to do shared parenting. 00:42:11.680 --> 00:42:24.480 They want to say that one parent has 100% custody and the other parent is on the hook for child support and basically has their parental rights um terminated in the process because that's how they maximize their funding from the federal government. 00:42:24.640 --> 00:42:41.200 Those two things alone, and there's many, many other things they do as well, but those two things alone have done irreparable carnage to families and it's just the structure of the family in the United States and all of the the all of the terrible things that come from that. 00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:42.880 So he's 100% spot on. 00:42:43.120 --> 00:42:49.680 In just two minutes per day, you could reclaim your health and cut your grocery bill in half with one simple convenient product. 00:42:49.920 --> 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news, liberty and justice for all the just to reset the room here for everyone. 00:44:10.560 --> 00:44:11.840 Welcome to this space. 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:12.560 Glad to have you. 00:44:12.720 --> 00:44:19.840 We're having a conversation about medical kidnapping, informed consent, mandatory reporting laws from Dr. 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:27.200 Irene Mavricakis Spike Cohen, also uh 2020 vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party. 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.600 We're doing this inside a space on X. 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.440 We are hearing from some people. 00:44:31.600 --> 00:44:33.680 We're gonna go to Julie right now. 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:34.560 Julie, go ahead. 00:44:34.640 --> 00:44:35.040 You have the floor. 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:35.440 Dr. 00:44:35.600 --> 00:44:38.640 Irene's one of my favorite freedom fighters, so I had to jump up. 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.600 Um, and I'm a grandmother here in California of seven kids. 00:44:41.680 --> 00:44:47.680 So I'm really um, you know, I'm wondering if there's is a political solution to all this. 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:53.360 You know, we've got a big California governor's race here, and we're under medical tyranny in California. 00:44:53.600 --> 00:45:00.880 So um, I'm hoping that we get somebody elected who is willing to stand up to these, you know, big establishments. 00:45:01.120 --> 00:45:07.360 I um, you know, I believed everything from my medical providers until I got injured by the COVID vaccine. 00:45:07.520 --> 00:45:19.280 And um, what I saw really, you know, kind of opened my eyes and to all this corruption and fighting this tyranny here in California for since you know 2022. 00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:24.400 Um, but yeah, I I, you know, people haven't heard of the children's health defense case. 00:45:24.560 --> 00:45:29.200 They're taking on the American Academy of Pediatrics for all this false information. 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.800 Similar, it's a Rico case, similar to the big tobacco case, right? 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.520 That said, hey, you're supplying in incorrect information. 00:45:35.680 --> 00:45:44.320 And if you read that case, it really again will open your eyes to this issue where the kids are caught in the crosshairs, right? 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.240 So there were these victims. 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.320 So the two there were three victims that were killed by their vaccines. 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:58.960 Two were twins, died within eight days of their childhood vaccines last year, and their mom was basically, you know, accused of homicide. 00:45:59.200 --> 00:46:17.760 And um, and then the one that I think was even more well, they're all disturbing, but the New York uh child who had a medical exemption for the vaccines, but the medical consultant at school overrode the medical exemption that that doctor. 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:23.440 They went and got two more, and the medical consultant at school said, no, we're not gonna accept them. 00:46:23.600 --> 00:46:25.280 Your child can't come to school. 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.040 Well, then the child becomes suicidal because the child wants to go to school. 00:46:29.200 --> 00:46:38.480 So the parents relent and say, fine, give them these catch-up vaccines, and those vaccines cause a joint problem that now it's cause all sorts of health issues. 00:46:38.560 --> 00:46:40.400 It's so disturbing, Booker. 00:46:40.560 --> 00:46:41.600 How do we get out of this? 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:43.360 Is there political solution? 00:46:43.600 --> 00:46:45.440 Do we see anybody at the top? 00:46:45.600 --> 00:46:49.200 I mean, I know RFK Junior's working hard, but I don't see him working hard enough. 00:46:49.520 --> 00:46:50.240 So I don't know. 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.880 I just, you know, I appreciate your show this morning. 00:46:53.200 --> 00:46:53.520 Thank you. 00:46:53.680 --> 00:46:54.560 Thank you for your comments. 00:46:54.720 --> 00:46:55.760 I'm gonna go to Dr. 00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:56.560 Irene. 00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.800 What are your thoughts, comments on this? 00:46:59.120 --> 00:46:59.760 Yeah, thank you. 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:13.200 First of all, I'm so sorry that you were vaccine injured from a COVID synthetic messenger RNA bioweapon that no human had informed consent for because no one should actually get injected with a bioweapon. 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.440 Um, you know, what's the answer? 00:47:15.680 --> 00:47:16.400 More freedom. 00:47:16.560 --> 00:47:19.520 The answer is also for we the people to realize our power. 00:47:19.680 --> 00:47:23.040 COVID mania tyranny would have never happened if we didn't comply. 00:47:23.200 --> 00:47:25.040 But what does that mean in the real world? 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:42.880 Well, we start, we have to start working together to stop electing government agents, legislators, state, local, all these people who are corrupted and captured by the political elite and the industrial complexes, and elect we the people who are not corrupted. 00:47:43.040 --> 00:47:44.240 And what does that look like? 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:59.200 Well, we have to stop participating in this tribalistic politics of us versus them and find common ground of medical freedom following the constitution and work together to take our state, federal, and local governments over. 00:47:59.520 --> 00:48:23.520 And I think it's possible as more and more people wake up, and we need to educate people in the idea that government has any right to force a course anyone to inject something into their body and tie that to the ability to work, life, liberty, property, and pursuit of happiness, should be never tolerated by people in America. 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.760 And then we have to talk about the very basic concept, which I discussed earlier that I want to reiterate. 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.240 Government exists to protect life, liberty, property, and the pursuit. 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:50.800 Doctors are supposed to first do no harm, provide informed consent, make a recommendation, and you determine after the assessment of the risks and benefits what you determine to be best for you and your family with the why? 00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:56.080 Because we have God-given inalienable rights, and our constitution enshrines those rights. 00:48:56.240 --> 00:49:00.080 And so the issue is we the people forgot who we were. 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:00.640 Dr. 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.520 Irene, let me come back to you real quick on a question that I have as you're talking. 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:16.640 During COVID, do you believe that doctors were even informed themselves enough to uh pass along the information that would have been beneficial for those that were taking the vaccine? 00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:18.160 Were they even informed? 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:20.400 Or were they brainwashed? 00:49:20.560 --> 00:49:21.600 Were they brainwashed? 00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:25.600 I'm trying to shorten my answer because you know this is one of my biggest topics. 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:43.920 But first of all, the preclinical trials demonstrated, meaning before it was launched upon the population in the data that they could have looked for, because I saw it and many others did, demonstrated serious adverse events. 00:49:44.560 --> 00:49:59.760 Secondly, basic medical science, what you should have learned in medical is that you cannot vaccinate your way out of a respiratory pandemic with a highly mutating virus because it doesn't make medical sense. 00:50:02.240 --> 00:50:16.960 Thirdly, for whatever reason, doctors have become so captured, a lot of them are employed, and they don't read primary articles and they don't research anything, and they follow the CDC, which is captured and corrupted blindly. 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:25.200 And so what has happened to doctors is that they have lost that individual doctor patient relationship. 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:30.000 They have stopped becoming lifetime learners, a lot of them, not all of them. 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.480 And they were also cowards. 00:50:32.640 --> 00:50:41.600 They forgot that they were also citizens and people who are here to protect life and to provide the best advice to patients. 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:47.280 I mean, some doctors were the worst medical tyranny uh people in this pandemic. 00:50:47.520 --> 00:51:02.800 And so the the point I'm trying to make is that all of us, including physicians and people in this country need to remember that we are free beings with free will that have the free ability to determine what happens to our own bodies. 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:13.280 And the constitution becomes just a piece of paper if you don't choose to enforce your own ability to have your own civil liberties and right to bodily autonomy. 00:51:13.520 --> 00:51:15.040 So you asked me. 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:16.960 Did doctors even know? 00:51:17.680 --> 00:51:24.000 Most of them didn't because they injected it into themselves and their family members, including their children. 00:51:24.240 --> 00:51:48.640 But the reason why they didn't is because medicine is a disaster that they don't lifetime learn, that they didn't look at the real data, and that the whole system needs to be completely changed into a different system with more freedom, free market, remove government incentives, government incentives to vaccine percentages, all of this terrible capture of medicine. 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:56.000 And the answer again goes back to more competition and more freedom in medicine and remove all these corrupted ties. 00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:08.800 But the second most important thing is doctors as well, need to remember that we live in a free country and that coercing people and scaring people into taking a medical procedure is never okay. 00:52:09.120 --> 00:52:09.680 Thank you, Doctor. 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.800 I'm going to come to you, Spike, to get your comments on what Dr. 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:14.560 Irene Maverak has just said. 00:52:14.720 --> 00:52:16.640 If you have any, if not, we'll move on to Terry. 00:52:16.720 --> 00:52:17.520 But please go ahead. 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:27.120 Well, first I'd like to go back to the original question that I do want to, I definitely have thoughts about uh uh uh how much I agree with what Irene just said, which is quite a bit. 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.000 Uh but going back to the original question of what do we do? 00:52:30.080 --> 00:52:35.520 Um, well, what we're doing at You Are the Power is we're finding the actual families that this is happening to. 00:52:35.680 --> 00:52:39.200 We're telling their stories to the public and getting public attention. 00:52:39.520 --> 00:52:40.880 This is a very key part. 00:52:41.120 --> 00:52:43.200 We aren't just telling the public and getting them mad. 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:54.560 We're giving them a relatively easy call to action that they can do inside of 30 seconds to a minute to show their support for getting this family reunited and sending it directly to the officials. 00:52:54.640 --> 00:53:17.760 Uh and when I say the officials, I mean the CPS workers, the specific CPS workers that are doing this to them, the specific family court judges, the specific hospital systems, everyone involved that is directly doing this, people that are not used to getting lots of angry uh uh emails from thousands or tens of thousands of strangers demanding they back off and do the right thing, uh, and then we rinse and repeat until they back off and do the right thing. 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:20.400 We have a nearly 100% success rate at that. 00:53:20.560 --> 00:53:25.760 Um, as we do that, we get more and more attention to this issue uh as a whole. 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:28.960 We get more and more media uh uh attention on it. 00:53:29.040 --> 00:53:42.240 We get more and more of the public uh recognizing it, and then that's when we're able to actually get real legislative changes passed that put a severe dampening on this uh child trafficking that we're seeing, like we did with ridges law in Georgia. 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.000 So that's the way we've been doing it. 00:53:44.160 --> 00:53:51.600 We start with the families that are having this happen to them and with the people and the public who certainly are going to want to help them once they find out. 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:58.960 Um, I I don't think that there's a um, well, I don't want to say political because what I described is actually a type of politics. 00:53:59.040 --> 00:54:04.320 Um, but I don't think that there's an electoral first strategy that's going to fix this. 00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:08.400 This isn't, oh, if we just elect such and such and so and so, they'll fix this. 00:54:08.560 --> 00:54:13.920 The problem isn't a handful of uh of corrupt elected officials or even hundreds of elected officials. 00:54:14.080 --> 00:54:23.040 The problem is a 50 state multi-trillion dollar child trafficking operation that's built on uh perverse funding incentives that are codified into law. 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.760 And the only way to fix that is from the bottom up. 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:40.960 We have to find the people this is happening to, we have to let the public know this is happening, we need to help those who need it the most, the ones who are having actively having their children taken from them now, and in doing so, we draw attention to what's happening in a non-political way or a nonpartisan way. 00:54:41.120 --> 00:54:47.200 We don't say this is a Republican problem or a Democrat problem or a conservative problem or a progressive problem because it isn't. 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:48.880 It is a 50 state problem. 00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:49.920 It is everywhere. 00:54:50.160 --> 00:54:52.080 And so we've been very successful at that. 00:54:52.240 --> 00:54:57.200 Going back to what Irene said, um, she mentioned capture, and she's 100% correct. 00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:02.320 The uh the medical establishment is captured, the um the governing agencies are captured. 00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:06.480 I'd like to kind of explain for those who don't understand what capture means. 00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:13.120 Very often when we hear about the government regulating something, we think that that means that the government now has control of that sector. 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:20.320 So if the government is um is regulating uh medicine, well, then that means the government's in control of medicine. 00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:24.640 Whether you think that's right or wrong, uh, that they're in control of medicine, you're actually wrong. 00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:26.960 Medicine's in control in control of the government now. 00:55:27.200 --> 00:55:42.800 So what happens is when the government begins to regulate something, uh, as a natural consequence, the industries that are being affected by that immediately figure out how they can protect themselves from these regulations, and over time they figure out how they can benefit from these regulations. 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:48.480 Initially it starts as just a way to survive the new regulatory and tax burdens that are being put on them. 00:55:48.640 --> 00:56:04.320 And over time they realize wait a second, I can control these lobbyists, or I can put lobbyists into control these elected officials and these and these appointed officials, and I can actually uh, you know, if I get in good enough, we can actually decide who's in charge of these things, and uh, and then we control stuff. 00:56:04.560 --> 00:56:06.800 And uh, we see this in every sector of the economy. 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:07.680 They are captured. 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:21.600 So it's actually the reason that the government is increasingly captured by big pharma, big agriculture, big energy, big uh everything, big defense contractors, everything, is precisely because of the regulatory structure they put in place. 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:29.680 Because if those things work in place, then the best way that the medical industry could make more money is to serve the needs of the consumer. 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:39.840 But as long as that structure is in place to regulate everything and not allow us to make individual choices for ourselves, well, then the best way for them to make money is to control that structure. 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:42.480 And so, like Irene said, the answer is freedom. 00:56:42.720 --> 00:57:03.680 The answer is getting government as out of these things as we possibly can, so that we make choices based on uh our informed consent and having the full understanding of what we're uh the choices that we're making and not having it forced on us, not having it mandated, not having you know punishments where, oh yeah, you can choose not to do this, but we will steal your children from you if you make that choice. 00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:04.400 That's the answer. 00:57:04.640 --> 00:57:08.000 I think that's a great way to end this hour here tonight. 00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:09.280 Couldn't have said it better. 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:13.040 I couldn't come close to saying it as well as Spike Cohen just did. 00:57:13.200 --> 00:57:13.520 Dr. 00:57:13.680 --> 00:57:16.400 Irene, thank you for joining us on the program tonight. 00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:19.200 And Spike, also thank you as well for doing that. 00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:20.400 I'm Booker Scott. 00:57:20.560 --> 00:57:26.080 And you were told 2,000 years ago that you are the salt of the earth and salt without flavor, it has no value. 00:57:26.240 --> 00:57:28.320 So whatever you do, keep being salty. 00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:29.280 Have a great night. 00:57:29.520 --> 00:57:31.280 There is only one truth. 00:57:31.520 --> 00:57:36.960 You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.