1 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:49,290 If I may, sir, 2 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,530 I've seen things in this house I've never spoken of. 3 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,490 I've seen Dou who dwells in the dark dimension. 4 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,050 I've seen the flash entering the speed force and 5 00:01:04,050 --> 00:01:06,890 I've seen CYA being mechi. 6 00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:12,690 And welcome to the zero credit supplement, the reading of 20, 7 00:01:12,690 --> 00:01:17,170 20 ones, a Spiderman, no way home directed by John Watts. 8 00:01:17,420 --> 00:01:18,253 My name is John. 9 00:01:19,150 --> 00:01:20,130 And I'm Henry. 10 00:01:20,950 --> 00:01:25,690 And if you haven't been to a zero credit supplemental reading before a little 11 00:01:25,690 --> 00:01:27,890 background, uh, me and my friend Henry, 12 00:01:27,890 --> 00:01:31,010 get together to talk about something that we consider to be culturally 13 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:33,490 important, or we just like, uh, 14 00:01:33,490 --> 00:01:36,770 but we do assume that you have seen, uh, 15 00:01:36,770 --> 00:01:41,410 said work in its entirety before engaging. So we will discuss, 16 00:01:41,530 --> 00:01:46,330 Spider-Man no way home with full spoilers. So if you're cool with being spoiled, 17 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,090 keep listening, it's not gonna have a lot of like utility to you. Uh, 18 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:56,050 so I'd recommend that you either have seen the movie already or you go see 19 00:01:56,050 --> 00:01:59,450 it and come back, but also, you know, let the episode keep playing. 20 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:04,210 So we get like bumped in, what are whatever algorithm, the podcast, 21 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:08,850 uh, thing you've got us from ranks us. I don't know how the internet works. 22 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,810 Wait, so yeah, please pause it if you, if you intend to watch the movie first, 23 00:02:13,990 --> 00:02:17,890 but don't never come back and not hit play again, 24 00:02:18,310 --> 00:02:21,450 cuz that hurts our metrics. So pause it, 25 00:02:21,450 --> 00:02:26,290 but come back and eventually hit play again and listen all the 26 00:02:26,290 --> 00:02:31,160 way through that being said, let's get into it. 27 00:02:31,340 --> 00:02:34,520 You could also listen a few times if you wanted to. 28 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,400 I don't know if that helps us, but you know, maybe repeat listens are a thing. 29 00:02:40,310 --> 00:02:43,310 Maybe like turn the volume up really loud. 30 00:02:43,310 --> 00:02:45,910 I don't know if the algorithm cares about that. 31 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,430 Oh, we have no metrics to re repeat plays or volume with. 32 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,110 We have no metrics for those. 33 00:02:52,740 --> 00:02:56,510 Okay. So just play it once, but do see this movie. 34 00:02:56,940 --> 00:03:01,240 Yeah, no, it's a good movie for, but yeah, it's an interesting movie. Uh, 35 00:03:01,710 --> 00:03:05,840 it's a movie that I, I think has some buy-in uh, John. 36 00:03:06,490 --> 00:03:07,323 Oh. 37 00:03:07,430 --> 00:03:10,560 I, I think this movie requires a little bit of viewing beforehand. 38 00:03:11,330 --> 00:03:15,720 Uh, yes, this is, I'm actually gonna say in terms of movies, 39 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:16,633 generally, 40 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:21,720 this might be the movie with the most required homework. 41 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:26,560 And, and, and that sets up an interesting conversation, 42 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:27,760 I think maybe for the end, 43 00:03:27,820 --> 00:03:32,360 but certainly these Marvel movies are setting a precedent of like it's 44 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,480 rewarding a viewer. 45 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,260 That's seen movies that have come out before it to a degree to 46 00:03:38,380 --> 00:03:42,860 a large part they'll hand wave explanations of things that happened or, 47 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:47,980 or things like that. But this one, it doesn't pull any punches. 48 00:03:49,050 --> 00:03:53,620 Yeah. In terms of what is required for this movie. I mean, uh, 49 00:03:53,830 --> 00:03:55,420 to your point, Marvel movies, 50 00:03:55,420 --> 00:04:00,020 generally since the creation of the MCU reward, 51 00:04:00,020 --> 00:04:01,900 like a certain, uh, 52 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,980 intertextual awareness in the audience to be aware of other 53 00:04:07,100 --> 00:04:11,940 texts in the Corpus, whereas this movie, uh, 54 00:04:11,970 --> 00:04:16,660 kind of requires that of you and is also about that in a very 55 00:04:16,660 --> 00:04:21,420 pointed way, but this is also all built on top of, uh, 56 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:25,460 two very good Spider-Man movies. 57 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:28,460 It it's crazy to think that for everything this movie does, 58 00:04:28,460 --> 00:04:33,220 it still has the skeleton of some of the more successful Spider-Man 59 00:04:33,220 --> 00:04:35,820 movies ever made under all this stuff. 60 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:36,940 Yeah. I, 61 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:41,500 I think this movie in a vacuum without two very good, 62 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:42,660 you know, 63 00:04:42,660 --> 00:04:47,380 successful Spider-Man stories before it would not work if we were being thrown 64 00:04:47,380 --> 00:04:51,540 in to this situation without the, 65 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:54,420 like you say the skeleton without that framework, I, 66 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:56,820 I think you just don't do this movie, the, the, 67 00:04:57,270 --> 00:05:01,460 or you do it and you do it so poorly. No one sees another Spider-Man movie. 68 00:05:01,460 --> 00:05:02,293 Again. 69 00:05:02,930 --> 00:05:03,220 I, 70 00:05:03,220 --> 00:05:08,060 I almost feel as though our conversation about this is going to 71 00:05:08,290 --> 00:05:13,100 inevitably include a lot of different works of I'm gonna call it spider 72 00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:13,820 art. 73 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:14,653 yes. 74 00:05:15,030 --> 00:05:16,100 Uh, so I, 75 00:05:16,100 --> 00:05:21,060 I do wanna say that we're probably gonna talk about the shape 76 00:05:21,140 --> 00:05:24,460 and texture of the, what, 77 00:05:24,570 --> 00:05:28,620 what do you even call this trilogy of Spider-Man movies? 78 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,980 The, the home trilogy, I guess. 79 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,060 The, the home trilogy. I, I think that we're gonna talk about the home trilogy, 80 00:05:36,060 --> 00:05:40,180 the least. Uh, so I do wanna make sure that I'm saying these movies are, 81 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,300 are good generally, and I like them quite a bit. Uh, 82 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:48,100 but this movie in a lot of ways is not about those movies. 83 00:05:48,380 --> 00:05:52,340 right. Well, it it's super interesting because the, this home trilogy, 84 00:05:52,340 --> 00:05:57,060 this Tom Holland Spider-Man trilogy has had the unique honor and 85 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,640 privilege to be the connective tissue of the entire Marvel 86 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,160 cinematic universe throughout three different phases. Like it is, 87 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,840 it's the last movie that, that starts, 88 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:12,280 that kind of ends one phase and kicks off another phase. 89 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:13,800 And it's done that three times now. 90 00:06:14,670 --> 00:06:19,460 So it is always been in a weird spot in the overall bigger picture. 91 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,940 But then at the end of the day, 92 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:25,220 the thing that really makes these home movies really good is that connectively, 93 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:29,660 it, it, they work as a, a standalone trilogy as well. 94 00:06:30,210 --> 00:06:31,060 Absolutely. 95 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,580 And I think you do raise an interesting point cuz the thing that these movies 96 00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:38,300 have over all the other Marvel movies, first of all, 97 00:06:38,300 --> 00:06:42,020 they're in a very unique position creatively and legally 98 00:06:43,190 --> 00:06:46,780 in that they are Sony pictures, movies. Yes. Uh, 99 00:06:46,780 --> 00:06:50,180 made in conjunction with Marvel studios. 100 00:06:50,180 --> 00:06:53,580 And they're not solely the intellectual property of Marvel studios, 101 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:58,580 but they have the best superhero in them. 102 00:06:59,650 --> 00:07:01,680 At least the best Marvel superhero. 103 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,200 The thing is no one really cared that much about 104 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,160 everyone who's been in the Avengers really, 105 00:07:10,420 --> 00:07:13,520 but everyone cares about Spider-Man that's fine. 106 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,440 I like the Spider-Man movies have been the ones that the broadest audience can 107 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:19,273 rally around. 108 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:20,280 Absolutely. 109 00:07:20,310 --> 00:07:24,560 I mean the Sam rainy Spider-Man trilogy kind of in a way, 110 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:28,040 revitalized the superhero movie as a genre, 111 00:07:28,070 --> 00:07:30,720 like before it was a Superman Batman, 112 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:35,880 some black exploitation films that are really good and a worth watching and 113 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,720 like blade interestingly enough. Um, but yeah, 114 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,680 the Sam Rainey Spider-Man movies kind of brought superhero movies back into the 115 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,440 forefront and gave, 116 00:07:46,590 --> 00:07:50,360 they gained enough traction that I really think Marvel is like, Hey, 117 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,840 why don't we try to do this on our own without selling the rights to our 118 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:55,673 characters off. 119 00:07:56,230 --> 00:07:59,920 I mean the Sam rain Spider-Man movies, uh, 120 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,080 walked so that additional superhero movies could run, 121 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,520 they did something very difficult and that they made something. I mean, 122 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,080 at that point, a huge budget superhero movie was a weird gamble. 123 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:15,440 No one was really willing to take and they did it and there were massive 124 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,960 cultural phenomenon. 125 00:08:18,010 --> 00:08:19,720 Oh yeah, absolutely. They, I mean. 126 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,120 They and blade too blade was blade was all so good. 127 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,760 Blade and blade too were all also good, but I mean, Spiderman, 128 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:28,480 the Sam Ramey Spiderman movies are, are, you know, 129 00:08:28,630 --> 00:08:33,220 single handedly held up. What was that band? 130 00:08:33,870 --> 00:08:34,703 Um. 131 00:08:36,380 --> 00:08:39,690 Oh, Chad Kroger slash Nickelback. 132 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:45,530 Nickelback. See it, it kept Nickelback in the, 133 00:08:45,530 --> 00:08:50,450 uh, hero. It's the number one? Chad Kroger hero. 134 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:53,090 Yep. That's great. Yeah. You know, 135 00:08:53,140 --> 00:08:56,920 it it's kept them alive in the cultural consciousness for uh, 136 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,720 longer than they should have been probably. 137 00:08:58,950 --> 00:09:03,840 Yeah, absolutely. Uh, just phenomenally important movies, 138 00:09:04,530 --> 00:09:07,560 uh, that gave us the MCU for, 139 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:11,760 for all of its ills and also the opposite of ills, all, 140 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,800 all the good memories. 141 00:09:14,660 --> 00:09:16,530 Absolut. So yeah. 142 00:09:16,530 --> 00:09:20,130 So these home movies are built on the backs of giants. 143 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:22,770 You got Sam Ramey and the, 144 00:09:22,770 --> 00:09:26,810 the trilogy of Toby McGuire Spiderman that came before it. 145 00:09:26,810 --> 00:09:30,770 And then you've got Mark Webb and a couple of movies with Andrew Garfield 146 00:09:30,770 --> 00:09:35,010 Spiderman as well, leading into the whoever directed these, uh, 147 00:09:35,130 --> 00:09:39,050 noway home, not noway homes, these home trilogy Spiderman. 148 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,730 They weren't all directed by the same guy. 149 00:09:41,730 --> 00:09:46,730 Right. They were all directed by John Watts and John Watts had 150 00:09:46,730 --> 00:09:51,450 directed basically nothing other than episodes of the onion news network 151 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:52,610 before. 152 00:09:52,610 --> 00:09:54,930 This. Fascinating. I love that incredible. 153 00:09:54,930 --> 00:09:59,570 About him. Incredible directorial blow up like geez. Wow. 154 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,650 I think one of the greatest things about these Spider-Man three series 155 00:10:05,740 --> 00:10:06,290 is that, 156 00:10:06,290 --> 00:10:11,050 that they were one person's vision brought to life and yeah, 157 00:10:11,050 --> 00:10:14,010 there was meddling by executives throughout, 158 00:10:14,910 --> 00:10:19,490 but at the end of the day, we can say the Ramy trilogy, the mark web duo, 159 00:10:19,490 --> 00:10:21,250 and now the John Watts trilogy, 160 00:10:21,250 --> 00:10:24,770 like we can call them that because these it's like a, 161 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,570 it's like the George Lucas star wars. 162 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:31,290 wait isn't. 163 00:10:31,650 --> 00:10:34,050 Singular vision, uninterrupted. 164 00:10:34,630 --> 00:10:38,890 Uninterrupted throughout time. Totally singular vision. 165 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,370 I gotta say John Watts did a great job on pretty much all of these movies. Oh. 166 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:45,730 Phenomenal, phenomenal, direct directing. 167 00:10:45,730 --> 00:10:47,690 Power. Like especially this one, just, I don't know, 168 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,570 like quick high level points that I really appreciate about this 169 00:10:52,580 --> 00:10:55,730 trilogy that we're not gonna get into right too much, 170 00:10:55,860 --> 00:10:59,690 because we haven't ever talked about one of these on the podcast is the 171 00:11:00,740 --> 00:11:05,530 casting of Jay Jonah Jameson to be an Alex Jones type conspiracy 172 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,090 theorist fringe, nut job. So good. Yeah. 173 00:11:10,090 --> 00:11:13,370 Kick out of the, uh, the daily bugle, get him out of the mainstream medium, 174 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:18,600 make go independent, make him go indie and underground, 175 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,840 but be like one of those podcast bros in their basement, you know, 176 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,680 they're shouting at an audience that apparently he's gathered. 177 00:11:26,830 --> 00:11:30,840 That's phenomenal cuz it's, that's more modern, a more modern take on the, 178 00:11:30,850 --> 00:11:32,400 on the JJ J character. 179 00:11:32,740 --> 00:11:37,400 And I mean these movies, uh, up through the third, 180 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,800 maybe this is less true for no way home, 181 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:45,080 but homecoming and far from home both had probably two of the 182 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,640 most interesting convincing villains of any of the Marvel 183 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,040 movies who actually had like backgrounds. 184 00:11:53,870 --> 00:11:57,600 What's fascinating to me about these Marvel movies is that for these Spider-Man 185 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,160 movies, is that for the most part Spider-Man is playing cleanup for the trauma 186 00:12:02,390 --> 00:12:04,640 caused by other superheroes. 187 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:06,880 Yeah. He's on cleanup duty. It, 188 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,320 it it's really great how this trilogy, honestly, 189 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,160 it's given us the best villains in comic book movies lately. 190 00:12:15,670 --> 00:12:20,600 Like I lo the first segment of homecoming that it 191 00:12:20,630 --> 00:12:24,440 introduces us to, uh, tombs the joke, the joker. 192 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:29,120 listen, they broke a lot of new ground with the spider man. 193 00:12:29,450 --> 00:12:31,280 There's the joker . 194 00:12:31,890 --> 00:12:32,723 Uh. 195 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,160 Think he's thinking of the Jo. 196 00:12:36,070 --> 00:12:39,120 Introduces Jacob tombs as the joker. God, it. 197 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,880 , it's all staying in. 198 00:12:43,150 --> 00:12:45,160 It's all staying in. I. 199 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,800 Apologize. I know what word I'm trying to say. 200 00:12:49,900 --> 00:12:52,120 The will will get it on the third one. 201 00:12:52,950 --> 00:12:55,440 Introduces tombs as the vulture. 202 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:56,590 . 203 00:12:56,590 --> 00:13:00,320 That segment that opening, it's a cold open to a movie, which is great. 204 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,160 I love cold opens, give 'em to me all day long. Uh, but it just focuses on like, 205 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,920 this is where the villain is coming from. 206 00:13:07,530 --> 00:13:12,400 Is he a bad guy or is he just a guy dealt the bad hand who might have chosen the 207 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,320 wrong way to go about it? And like, boom, 208 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,200 instantly it's like empathetic villain as in the audience is empathetic to the 209 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:19,660 villain. 210 00:13:19,660 --> 00:13:24,400 And now we gotta watch a villain that we kind of feel for versus the hero 211 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,560 that we're gonna root for. 212 00:13:25,660 --> 00:13:30,160 And that's just such more interesting to me of a plot than 213 00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:33,880 this is the evil version of spider band. You have to fight now. 214 00:13:34,350 --> 00:13:34,760 I mean, 215 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,280 it's always so much better when you have a villain that's intensely likable. Uh, 216 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,520 and even you, you get the two versions, right? 217 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,680 You get the villain to Spiderman, which is the vulture. 218 00:13:45,820 --> 00:13:50,280 And then you get the villain to Peter Parker slash every teenage boy, 219 00:13:50,420 --> 00:13:55,280 the overreaching. Cool. But scary dad. Yes. 220 00:13:55,450 --> 00:14:00,400 Uh, of your, uh, of your wannabe, significant other. Now don't get me wrong. 221 00:14:00,850 --> 00:14:04,480 Uh, we've had some great villains in all of these movies, 222 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,040 including really, 223 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,760 really just green Golan really is the only one who's with super Thomas Hayden 224 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,840 church likable. You know what? They're all fine. 225 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Who's Thomas Hayden church. 226 00:14:16,130 --> 00:14:16,963 Sandman. 227 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:20,820 Flint. Marco. You. 228 00:14:20,820 --> 00:14:22,340 Mean? Yeah. Flint Marco. 229 00:14:23,370 --> 00:14:25,700 Okay. Well I don't know people's names. 230 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:29,580 Uh, no, they're, they're all great. Uh, but yes, that, 231 00:14:29,580 --> 00:14:33,620 that is a huge shout out that I'd like to give to these movies. Uh, 232 00:14:33,620 --> 00:14:36,900 they all have the best characterizations of villains. 233 00:14:37,390 --> 00:14:42,260 Uh, honestly, like I I've, Batman's supposed to have this great rogues gallery. 234 00:14:42,570 --> 00:14:46,900 I don't see it. I think Spider-Man has the best villains and comics. 235 00:14:47,170 --> 00:14:50,540 I mean, I, I don't think you're wrong. Spider-Man's villains are great. 236 00:14:50,540 --> 00:14:53,520 And these, these Spider-Man th in particular, 237 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,360 these three Spider-Man movies really nailed what a Spider-Man 238 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,080 villain feels like, which is like weirdly likable, very evil. 239 00:15:03,460 --> 00:15:06,240 Yes. But like kind of understandable, 240 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,040 even if they're just insane from gas. 241 00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:15,280 I mean, who hasn't been driven insane by a little gas before. 242 00:15:15,540 --> 00:15:19,960 Who hasn't been locked in a chamber and assaulted with green gas for so long 243 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,400 that you kill a guy . 244 00:15:21,980 --> 00:15:24,440 And also like who among us could say, 245 00:15:24,970 --> 00:15:29,840 we wouldn't be tempted by the newfound power being dropped in a VAD 246 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,040 of electric eels. 247 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,680 yeah. Who among us, 248 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,200 wouldn't be some nerd who just falls into some electric eels 249 00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:40,480 who among us wouldn't lizard. 250 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:42,713 . 251 00:15:42,970 --> 00:15:44,320 If given the choice. 252 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:45,120 And once, 253 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,560 once having lizard wanted to lizard everyone else, 254 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:54,480 like this is just these, this is just the price of being human. 255 00:15:55,270 --> 00:15:59,760 I, I feel like at this point where we're barely restraining ourselves from the 256 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,800 desire to talk about the villains in this movie. 257 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,160 So we might as well get into it. 258 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,320 Well, I do wanna say one thing about the original, the, the, 259 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,680 the tone trilogy and, 260 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,040 and that the online people tear the first two movies 261 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,760 apart. And it's the characterization of Spider-Man. 262 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,920 They don't like not the characterization, but, but the, uh, 263 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,880 the circumstances around the character, they don't like that. 264 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,920 He's basically like a mini Ironman, 265 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,600 cuz he's got this fancy suit and like he's got all these resources 266 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:35,360 at his disposal to basically to save the day of 267 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,040 technology. They're like, that's not what Spiderman's about. 268 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,730 Spiderman is about being poor, sad, 269 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,900 and that's where their complaints are coming from. Uh, 270 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:53,500 so I just wanna say to all those people who hated the Tom hall and Spiderman 271 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:57,900 coming into this movie, boy, did the writers listen to you? 272 00:16:58,760 --> 00:16:59,940 Yes, I, uh, 273 00:17:00,530 --> 00:17:05,220 I had similar have had for quite some time a similar argument because 274 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,340 you know me, I'm a big spider head. 275 00:17:07,850 --> 00:17:09,660 A web head, as you, as it were. 276 00:17:09,970 --> 00:17:14,380 I've never heard the term, but you and I both like very big Spider-Man fans. 277 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,900 And I had a very similar argument after seeing 278 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:24,580 the first movie where a big reason why people are invested in the 279 00:17:24,580 --> 00:17:27,700 character of Spider-Man is because of adversity. 280 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:31,980 And that is why I'm not like super into the Ironman movies, 281 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:36,100 because if a person just has infinite everything it's for the most part, 282 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:39,980 not like super compelling to watch except the first one, which is great. 283 00:17:40,550 --> 00:17:40,930 Um, 284 00:17:40,930 --> 00:17:44,340 I mean that's why the character book version of the character is a little bit 285 00:17:44,340 --> 00:17:47,100 better. Cause he is also battling crippling alcoholism. 286 00:17:47,410 --> 00:17:50,840 Yeah. They didn't, they really didn't put that in the movie for some reason. 287 00:17:51,050 --> 00:17:52,160 Ah, go. 288 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,680 Weird. But I, I will say that it, 289 00:17:58,510 --> 00:18:00,800 this clearly wasn't planned out from the beginning, 290 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,000 but like seeing that occur in slow motion 291 00:18:05,690 --> 00:18:06,170 is, 292 00:18:06,170 --> 00:18:11,040 is certainly an interesting way to go about giving that to the 293 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:11,873 character. 294 00:18:12,420 --> 00:18:14,800 I'm sorry. You're gonna need to clarify a couple of that. 295 00:18:15,770 --> 00:18:18,560 So giving adversity, ah, 296 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,280 in the way we've become accustomed to for Spider-Man right. 297 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,360 Making that a slow burn over three movies. It, 298 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:30,800 it is strangely impactful to have a character who becomes 299 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:34,880 Spider-Man lives as Spider-Man for years. 300 00:18:35,340 --> 00:18:38,120 And then has that happen to them? 301 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:42,360 It's almost like this movie is a reverse origin story. You know, 302 00:18:42,530 --> 00:18:45,560 we start with an established hero who then over, 303 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:50,120 over the course of one movie comes to very humble 304 00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:51,320 beginnings. 305 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,800 yeah. You're, you're totally not wrong. Uh, it, 306 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,440 it is honestly the first, 307 00:18:57,660 --> 00:19:02,560 the first Spider-Man movie homecoming is like the 308 00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:08,260 it's the climax of a three movie trilogy, cuz he is with the Avengers and he is, 309 00:19:08,330 --> 00:19:12,740 he's fighting an man and the winter soldier is there. 310 00:19:12,740 --> 00:19:17,420 And then the second one's a little bit more paired down. It's a, 311 00:19:17,420 --> 00:19:21,540 it's a little bit more. And then the first one, other than the, uh, 312 00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:24,820 insane multiverse stuff is like, uh, it, 313 00:19:24,820 --> 00:19:28,380 it walks it back through to an origin story. You're totally right. 314 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,220 And that's why I think it works. So this I, 315 00:19:32,220 --> 00:19:36,540 this movie works on so many different levels, but the main part is we don't, 316 00:19:36,650 --> 00:19:40,420 I mean, one, it it's mainly about the Spiderman we're watching. 317 00:19:40,420 --> 00:19:44,460 I was gonna call him our Spiderman. That doesn't mean anything. 318 00:19:44,460 --> 00:19:46,300 And this context, it's it, 319 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:49,700 we're mostly watching this one Spiderman and this is sort of the end slash 320 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:51,020 beginning of his journey. 321 00:19:51,020 --> 00:19:55,140 Mm-hmm and all of this crazy stuff is built around that. 322 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,010 I don't know if that makes sense. 323 00:19:58,620 --> 00:20:02,330 No, that does totally make sense. Okay. I, I, 324 00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:04,330 I do it, 325 00:20:04,330 --> 00:20:09,090 it felt a little odd to me in the theater because everyone who has 326 00:20:09,090 --> 00:20:11,770 ever seen any Spider-Man thing and cares, 327 00:20:12,330 --> 00:20:16,330 cares about with great power must also become great responsibility, et cetera. 328 00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:17,570 Uh. 329 00:20:17,570 --> 00:20:21,050 Yeah. It's one of the most quoted lines and, and PO popular culture. 330 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,890 Yeah. But it's almost, 331 00:20:23,890 --> 00:20:28,810 it's interesting to me in a way that this character had to be taught 332 00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:33,090 that lesson a lot of different ways, right. At the very end. 333 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:34,670 Yeah. 334 00:20:34,670 --> 00:20:39,010 Got his head head over time and time again and was taught in, 335 00:20:39,010 --> 00:20:43,380 in stages almost you, you know, I, I, 336 00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:45,860 I don't know how to get into it really, but like taught 337 00:20:48,350 --> 00:20:51,720 it's almost as if this movie was written to teach him that lesson 338 00:20:52,820 --> 00:20:54,620 three or four different times. 339 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:58,300 yes. At least one for each Spiderman. 340 00:20:59,060 --> 00:21:02,500 Right. Okay. So now I think we can just get right into it. 341 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:06,980 I just wanted to set up the premise, the idea that like, look all of you, 342 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:11,500 people who are whining, um, that's mean all of the people who had valid. 343 00:21:11,860 --> 00:21:13,780 Complains. No, no, no, no. I'll stop you right there. 344 00:21:13,780 --> 00:21:16,660 People whine about these movies. I, 345 00:21:16,690 --> 00:21:21,540 I did a fun little bit where I was trying to like do like the Butler from 346 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:26,060 Spider-Man three and I was looking up like bad quotes from MCU movies to see if 347 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:27,140 I could put one of those in there. 348 00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:30,780 Everyone complains about fucking everything about these. 349 00:21:30,780 --> 00:21:32,100 Movie. Okay. Right. 350 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,580 You can say wine. 351 00:21:34,170 --> 00:21:35,260 I, I did. I just wanna, 352 00:21:35,290 --> 00:21:39,860 I really feel like this movie came out of an impetus to address those concerns 353 00:21:39,860 --> 00:21:43,220 in a way that left. No one happy . 354 00:21:45,290 --> 00:21:49,460 I, uh, yeah. I, I can see that. I don't know. I, 355 00:21:49,650 --> 00:21:53,140 I like that this movie stood up for a lot, 356 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,420 but then I don't know. I, 357 00:21:55,420 --> 00:21:59,740 I wonder ultimately how much good work has been 358 00:21:59,890 --> 00:22:03,970 undone. I don't know. We'll we'll talk about it. 359 00:22:03,970 --> 00:22:05,410 We'll explore this idea a little bit. 360 00:22:05,410 --> 00:22:09,490 Right. So let's get into it. So this movie, uh, it starts Tom Holland. 361 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:10,833 Yeah. 362 00:22:11,150 --> 00:22:12,970 And Zaya Zendaya. 363 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:14,690 Zendaya is mechi. 364 00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:17,610 She's mechi and Benedict Cumberbatch. 365 00:22:17,610 --> 00:22:21,130 Those are the three people that it says stars on IMDB. 366 00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:23,330 So I'm assuming those are the only three people in the. 367 00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:27,530 Movie. Yeah. That's, that's pretty much it. Uh, it also has a John fro. 368 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:29,650 Right. He plays happy Hogan. 369 00:22:30,270 --> 00:22:32,450 Can we talk about happy Hogan for a second? 370 00:22:32,530 --> 00:22:35,130 Let's make this whole episode about happy Hogan. 371 00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:39,690 Can we talk about the increasing mortification of one happy Hogan? 372 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:44,610 I feel like the real, the real victim of the NCU is happy. Hogan. 373 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,810 I, I think like the, the way that happy Hogan started was like, 374 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,090 like a cool, uh. 375 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,200 Like. 376 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,090 Like a kind of savvy security detail guy. Yeah. 377 00:22:58,090 --> 00:23:01,410 He was the quippy Bardi bodyguard to, to Ironman. 378 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,440 Like that was it. 379 00:23:03,820 --> 00:23:04,240 And, 380 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,520 and now he's just like a overweight guy who can't hold down a relationship with 381 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,640 a C P mask. 382 00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:10,880 Yeah. 383 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,600 And he's on the hook for stolen stark technology that he's 384 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,560 definitely going to jail for. Like he's having a bad, he's having a bad time. 385 00:23:19,630 --> 00:23:23,480 Yeah. He, he is not having a happy time. Uh, it, 386 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,640 it is maybe one of the more interesting character arcs throughout all of these 387 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,260 movies, 388 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:32,840 cuz he is been in at least in the background of basically all of them 389 00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:36,200 and we've got to see, 'em like really get, uh, 390 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,600 laying low mm-hmm uh, over time. Which you gotta, 391 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,720 you gotta appreciate. 392 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,450 I I guess yeah, sure. 393 00:23:45,490 --> 00:23:50,340 Listen. I mean, John Favre was in chef and he slept with Scarlet Johansson. 394 00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:54,460 So put him in fiction where he's not doing so great. Is what I'm saying. 395 00:23:54,460 --> 00:23:55,580 Make it even. 396 00:23:56,660 --> 00:23:57,710 I, I think, yeah, 397 00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:01,230 I think that's exactly what's happening to the character of hack ho 398 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,700 and now he's not even gonna be in him cuz you know, he has no reason to be. 399 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,940 he's there's just gonna be a whole happy Hogan movie. 400 00:24:13,390 --> 00:24:16,820 Oh I cannot wait for the happy Hogan glow up. 401 00:24:17,150 --> 00:24:21,300 Oh yeah. It, listen, they need to replace Spiderman. in the lineup. 402 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:25,700 They don't really, uh, they, they need, they need to fill it up with something. 403 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:28,100 So it's gonna be happy origins. 404 00:24:28,650 --> 00:24:30,660 Yeah. Let's yeah. 405 00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:35,500 That's that's the one people they're clamoring for an origin story to Ironman's 406 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:36,250 bodyguard. 407 00:24:36,250 --> 00:24:40,780 Yeah. They're like no more doctor strange. No more. She Hulk only happy. 408 00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:45,660 Step aside. Moon night. It's happy Hogan time. 409 00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:49,540 That's actually how the movie starts. He steps in front of Oscar, 410 00:24:49,540 --> 00:24:51,860 Isaac and says step aside, moon night. 411 00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:57,100 we're writing, we're writing this movie in real time. It's great. 412 00:24:57,690 --> 00:24:59,700 I don't know how to start talking about the movie. 413 00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:04,020 There's so much. I just have like a, 414 00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:07,940 a bunch of notes about things that I liked, but like, yeah. 415 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,620 And I definitely have thoughts about this movie, but it's, 416 00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:14,220 it's a hard movie to just talk about. 417 00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:18,420 Yeah. E especially, cuz like we can't, 418 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:21,300 we definitely can't go line by line cuz that would take forever. 419 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,340 And the people we're talking to just watched it, 420 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:27,820 they know what happened in the movie. 421 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,850 Yeah. It would. It would be silly to do that maybe. 422 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,730 Okay. I know how to get into this Uhhuh. 423 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,010 I say as I turn away from the mic for no reason. Uh, okay. 424 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,980 And each of these movies, apparently Jay Jonah, Jameson has been in it. 425 00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:47,020 He has been a character. He has been a factor. 426 00:25:48,220 --> 00:25:51,030 This is the movie where he is the main villain. 427 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,950 Uh, you are not entirely wrong. 428 00:25:55,410 --> 00:25:58,990 How am I? How am I? How am I a little wrong? 429 00:25:59,390 --> 00:26:00,750 there, there is. 430 00:26:02,540 --> 00:26:05,630 I mean there are literal villains, but yes, 431 00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:08,710 Jay Jonah Jameson is create, 432 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,550 creates the events that make this movie possible. Also, man, 433 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:15,950 I know it's called attention to in the movie, 434 00:26:16,410 --> 00:26:19,270 but if I was a teenager with access to a wizard, 435 00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:23,950 I would absolutely ask the wizard to change reality before I made even one phone 436 00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:24,600 call. 437 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,390 Oh no, that was a yes. That is an amazing detail. Like 438 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,310 it is so well written. It feels like it's ripped out of reality where it's like, 439 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:37,350 wait, you can call them. They sent the letter, like, 440 00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:42,200 isn't that the final say it's like the first time you realize you can 441 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,880 make your own doctor's appointment. 442 00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:45,120 Yeah. 443 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,800 it's like your, your world is literally broadening. No. Yeah. 444 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,600 I would go to a magic wizard to ask them to change reality before I even thought 445 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,280 about trying to appeal. 446 00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:59,480 I mean, if you look at, if you look at what happens, 447 00:26:59,780 --> 00:27:04,160 Jay Jonah Jameson directly responsible for the death of Marissa tome. 448 00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:05,240 Absolutely. 449 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,160 Which is so the part that stings the most it's it's one 450 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,600 of my favorite scenes in this movie. 451 00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:14,440 Not for how it makes me feel or anything like that. 452 00:27:15,010 --> 00:27:20,000 It it's the scene it's raining and Spiderman mask off 453 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,000 is just watching uh, uh, a building size, Joe Jagen 454 00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:27,780 what is his name? 455 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:29,740 Jay Jonah. Jameson. 456 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:33,380 Thank you. Is watching a building sized Jay Jonah, 457 00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:36,300 Jayson blame him for his aunt's death. 458 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:37,240 Yes. 459 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,500 And like that's where the rage is. 460 00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:44,100 That's where the darkness is because the guy responsible 461 00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:47,940 is now publicly pinning the blame of his aunt's death on him. 462 00:27:48,250 --> 00:27:52,740 Like how do you not go fucking punch a building down with your spider 463 00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:55,860 powers? I don't understand how he, how he reigns it in. 464 00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:58,460 What I really appreciate. Uh, 465 00:27:58,460 --> 00:28:01,780 I know that I said one thing that I like about these movies is the re-casting is 466 00:28:01,780 --> 00:28:04,700 Jay Joma, Jay Jonah, Jay Jonah, 467 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,380 Jameson as an Alex Jones type. 468 00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:11,940 But they really in the darker moments actually get to the truly 469 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:15,140 insidious parts of characters like Alex Jones, 470 00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:20,020 which is blaming innocent people for 471 00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:22,900 horrible things that happened in their lives. 472 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:27,100 And obviously with the movie being shot from a sympathetic perspective of 473 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:31,820 Peter Parker, we can see how wrong all of that is. Uh, but to, 474 00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:36,660 to keep that very real phenomenon in these movies does feel like the 475 00:28:36,660 --> 00:28:41,340 writers, uh, specifically had an ax to grind against people like Alex Jones. 476 00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:46,980 Well, I even if they're not like taking that sort of agenda to it, 477 00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:51,820 they're definitely drawing inspiration from these kinds of 478 00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:56,540 people who go on public or national television and 479 00:28:56,690 --> 00:29:01,100 accuse parents who have lost children of, of being crisis actors. Like that's, 480 00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:05,820 that's the same energy here as pinning the death and the destruction 481 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:10,300 of that building on Spider-Man when Spider-Man was just trying to do the right 482 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:11,133 thing. You know? 483 00:29:12,330 --> 00:29:15,740 I mean, honestly, if you look at these movies an aggregate, they kind of, 484 00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:17,820 I know we said they have the best villains, 485 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,460 but I think they're the only Marvel movies that actually have villains that say 486 00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:26,820 anything about modern society. Uh, because the, the vulture, 487 00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:31,740 I is a critique largely on like government overreach and taking jobs 488 00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:35,500 from people and people not being able to make a living wage, doing honest work. 489 00:29:35,530 --> 00:29:36,380 Yeah. I mean, yeah. 490 00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:37,820 So they have to turn to crime. 491 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,760 The vulture is the most like I, if there was any villain, okay, 492 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,920 this is gonna be as stupidest. The stupidest thing I say on this episode, 493 00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:49,960 if there were any villains, Republicans would get behind the most, 494 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,120 it would be the vulture. 495 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,760 . Yeah. And you know what? 496 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,280 The vulture is the kind of Republican where I'd be like, I'm not that, 497 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,680 but I get it. Right. 498 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,840 Right. Okay. Moving on. Yes. You're you're right. Yeah. 499 00:30:02,180 --> 00:30:06,120 And Mysterio was a like, well tuned, 500 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:08,320 exceptionally well researched, 501 00:30:08,370 --> 00:30:13,320 feeling less media Maven who knew exactly how to 502 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,040 turn public opinion in his favor and against those, 503 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:22,200 he didn't like and had a years long plan to do. 504 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,040 So like Mysterio was TMZ. 505 00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:27,960 Oh yeah. TMZ with the, uh, 506 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,560 the poison pill or the dead man switch to ruin the life of the person who 507 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,040 stops their plan. Yeah. so vindictive to the level of like, 508 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,080 even in death, I will ruin your life. 509 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,200 And then of course you get the, uh, 510 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,920 objective villain of Spider-Man no way home, 511 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,360 which is someone who is willing to do and say 512 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,480 anything and ruin innocent people's lives for clout. 513 00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:59,520 And, and I do mean, I, I, I would contend that I am absolutely correct. Joe, 514 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,280 Jay Jameson. I can't say his name right tonight. For some reason. 515 00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:06,280 Jay Jonah Jameson is the villain of no way home. 516 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:11,800 All of the other supposed villains are merely victims of circumstance. 517 00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:14,640 They didn't ask to be there. They're, 518 00:31:14,770 --> 00:31:18,240 they're kind of just sort of falling into the circumstances, 519 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,400 the cards that were dealt with them. I will you track my statement? 520 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,240 I forgot green Golan is a menace. 521 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,050 Well, green Golan is a menace, 522 00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:30,930 but green Golan or uh, God, 523 00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:33,130 what's green. Goblin's person name. 524 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,090 Norman Norman Osborne. 525 00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:41,330 Uh, Norman Osborne does not want to do villain shit when he finds 526 00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:44,930 himself weirdly in a new universe, it's just true. 527 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,850 He's gone crazy with the green gas. 528 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,650 I very much. 529 00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:54,520 Do the only person who acts in a villainous way that in, 530 00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:59,520 in a way that is not directly related to green gas is electro. 531 00:31:59,860 --> 00:32:03,960 Yes. Who, who basically who, 532 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,960 who was basically, 533 00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:09,880 once they all find out like that they were ripped to another universe moments 534 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,200 before their depths. Like I think electro sort of hit the hardest was like, 535 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,480 wait a second. But I got my body back. Like I didn't even have a body where, 536 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,640 when I got ripped out of my universe, now I got this body. And like, 537 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,040 your electricity is so much better than ours. 538 00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:29,280 Mm-hmm and my power is based on electricity. 539 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,770 I get it. I get why he basically wants to be a living. God. I mean, 540 00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:38,770 he finally has the opportunity to use the most of the, this, 541 00:32:38,770 --> 00:32:41,440 this horrible gifted curse that he's been given. 542 00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:45,060 Yeah. Cuz it it's true to his character of motivations, 543 00:32:45,170 --> 00:32:49,980 even from amazing Spider-Man because he was a guy who 544 00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:54,940 couldn't be seen and had no power and just wanted to be powerful and be 545 00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:56,540 seen as a God and get what he wanted. 546 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,820 And this universe allows him to do that again. 547 00:33:00,670 --> 00:33:01,070 Uh. 548 00:33:01,070 --> 00:33:05,020 Where's your, your like doc ox, once you get rid of the problem, 549 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,980 doc a is a cool guy. 550 00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:10,980 yeah. He never wanted to be evil. He, 551 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:15,540 he was that that inhibitor chip was broken very early on. 552 00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:19,540 And the, the weird AI that lives in those arms is, 553 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:21,420 was influencing him to do evil. 554 00:33:22,010 --> 00:33:26,060 It's a really fascinating juggling act that this movie does juggling 555 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,300 the motivations of these characters in a way that it does 556 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:35,820 ultimately lead to a physical confrontation with all of them. 557 00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:40,540 Even including like, uh, Flynn, Marco, he just wants that box thing. 558 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:42,780 Right? Cause he thinks he can go home to his daughter. 559 00:33:43,150 --> 00:33:44,100 No. So I, 560 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:48,180 I think some of the best work was done with Flint Marco because once he finds 561 00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:52,500 Spiderman, he's like, Peter, it's me. What's going on? Let's work this out. 562 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,500 And then once that, that carrot on a stick is, is put in front of him. 563 00:33:57,730 --> 00:34:01,940 This is a box. If we push it, they get sent home. He can see his daughter again. 564 00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:05,740 He's like, well, fuck you Spiderman. The solution I need is right there. 565 00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:10,140 I just want to go home. See my daughter again. I don't need you for that. 566 00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:14,260 So now I'm against you. Like it, it, it, all of the motivate, 567 00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:18,780 this movie is a master class of characterization and 568 00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:20,340 motivation that drives plot. 569 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,130 I mean, they do a phenomenal job of, 570 00:34:24,130 --> 00:34:28,170 of taking these completely ludicrous characters and, 571 00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:31,410 and juggling their wants and desires pretty much, perfectly. 572 00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:36,610 All while insanely ripping characters from 573 00:34:36,610 --> 00:34:41,560 movies that are over and extending the 574 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,080 life of those characters. Years later, 575 00:34:45,390 --> 00:34:47,360 actors having to slip into roles. 576 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,800 They haven't played at maximum 20 years for Wilm to foe 577 00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:56,870 a and like it's all goes off without a hitch. Everything feels natural. 578 00:34:57,140 --> 00:35:01,670 Everything feels just like natural extensions of the movies that they're from. 579 00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:07,550 All what I'm trying to say is the actors in these movies, no matter how small, 580 00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:07,910 the role, 581 00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:11,830 even the lizard who has like the smallest screen time of all the villains, 582 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,840 these actors worked their fucking ass off and they did a, 583 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,800 a phenomenal fucking job. 584 00:35:19,390 --> 00:35:20,280 Yeah. I mean, I, 585 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,120 I guarantee you when they came to Re's Hans about being the lizard again, 586 00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:29,360 he's like, I get some stuff going on, so I can't really be in it, 587 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,760 but I can do VO for the lizard and they're like, that's cool. 588 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,080 You're gonna be lizard already. Right. Uh. 589 00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:37,360 Can we get you for one day? 590 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,040 You're just, you're just gonna say, you're just gonna say like 10 things. 591 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,960 And one of them was, is gonna be like, 592 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,440 the time has come and I bet Reese fins was like, hell yeah. 593 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,313 Right. 594 00:35:46,590 --> 00:35:48,520 I would love to be the lizard again. 595 00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:51,320 And then, you know, later on they're like, can we get you for one day? 596 00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:53,880 We need you for a scene. You get UN lizard. 597 00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:55,520 Yeah. 598 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,240 You need to stand there and look confused as you are unlisted and set back to 599 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,600 your home dimension. Yeah. And I bet they were, this is, 600 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,240 we're probably gonna say this again, but goddamnit will defo. 601 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,130 Jesus. 602 00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:12,520 Is, is a singular actor. 603 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,040 And this is coming from a long time defo feed. 604 00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:19,420 Oh yeah. Uh, I mean, this. 605 00:36:19,420 --> 00:36:22,540 Is, he's one of the few actors that cannot 606 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:27,090 do anything less than his best. 607 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:31,400 He, this man, I, 608 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,080 if I would say he acts circles around everyone else, 609 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,760 but they're all doing stellar jobs. 610 00:36:35,770 --> 00:36:39,560 So it's more like he's just at the front of the pack and they're like a step 611 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,600 behind, not even they're even with them, but it's just, he, 612 00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:49,360 the way he portrays Normans born as like the, 613 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,560 the way that they've they've, 614 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,200 they've turned the green Goble problem into like kind akin to like a mental 615 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,320 illness. I think that was a really great move. 616 00:36:57,660 --> 00:37:02,560 Cuz then you get that the regular Norman Osborne who we've missed for 617 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,280 all this time. I haven't seen in 20 years and he's a struggl struggling in this, 618 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,600 this new world, but then we get to see the flip switch and, 619 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,710 and what a great moment, because we, 620 00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:20,990 the transition from Osborne to green Golin happens with his 621 00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:24,870 back, turned to the camera mm-hmm but you can see it, it, 622 00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:26,510 you can see the moment it happens. 623 00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:27,923 Yes. 624 00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:31,910 The moment when, uh, Alfred Molina, uh, doc says like, Hey, 625 00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:35,590 no more darker half, you can see it's in a shoulders. 626 00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:37,430 It's in the way he's breathing. 627 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,750 He physically transforms himself. 628 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,460 And then we don't see that payoff for another scene in a re another really great 629 00:37:46,460 --> 00:37:50,940 scene with spider, with, uh, the spy sense, being so loud and, 630 00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:52,580 and like coming from every direction. 631 00:37:52,580 --> 00:37:57,060 And it it's a very tense scene that was filmed like very great 632 00:37:57,420 --> 00:38:02,140 decisions made until he just does like a little movement and then boom, 633 00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:06,460 that's him. And he is like, that's some neat trick of yours. Huh? Like, yeah. 634 00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:11,940 Phenomenal, phenomenal acting by Norman, Bob Rubin, William defo, 635 00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:13,060 William defo. 636 00:38:13,810 --> 00:38:14,643 I, 637 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,260 one of my favorite things with will Defoe's portrayal of Norman Osborne in this 638 00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:23,850 movie, is that not only I is this, 639 00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:29,330 uh, is this green Golan horribly frustrating and 640 00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:34,290 disheartening because he's just like cruel for no reason and exactly where you 641 00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:37,080 don't want him to be when you don't want, like, he, 642 00:38:37,770 --> 00:38:39,600 he is the perfect villain in that way, 643 00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:44,120 but his actions and the things that he says and most 644 00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:45,320 notably I'm, 645 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,880 I'm very glad that the green Golan mask gets destroyed early in the movie. 646 00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:53,800 So that the only green goblin you see is will Defoes incredible acting 647 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,160 looks pathetic. 648 00:38:55,890 --> 00:38:56,360 Oh yeah. 649 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,400 Like, like he, 650 00:38:57,490 --> 00:39:02,080 he is he's bug-eyed and he can't put his teeth away and his eyes are 651 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,040 glazed over and he is sweaty and you pity him, 652 00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:09,840 but he is cruel uh, and, 653 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,560 and you it's the ex it imparts to you as an 654 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:15,560 audience member. Exactly. 655 00:39:16,060 --> 00:39:19,840 How you think Peter Parker must feel a little bit, 656 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,840 which is I hate this person so much and they are 657 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,320 a pitiable creature and they are extremely dangerous. 658 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:34,120 I shouldn't be punching as hard as I am, but no matter how hard I punch, 659 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,600 he just smiles and laughs at me. 660 00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:42,190 So I have to punch harder in order to get him not to stop 661 00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:42,630 smiling, 662 00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:47,510 but to stop being such the big threat that he is because these 663 00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:52,350 punches have stopped everyone before and they're doing nothing to him right now. 664 00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:53,350 Yeah. 665 00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:57,790 Not a lot of movies effectively communicate a character that is totally pitiable 666 00:39:58,010 --> 00:40:01,310 and horribly dangerous. Uh, and it, 667 00:40:01,310 --> 00:40:04,430 it really comes through in his performance. I mean, 668 00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:06,830 let's not forget the fact that this movie, 669 00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:11,550 this silly superhero movie has like three of the greatest living 670 00:40:11,740 --> 00:40:16,590 actors in it in Willum defo, Alfred Molina and, 671 00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:17,630 uh, Andrew Garfield, 672 00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:22,190 like incredible talent is just hanging out in this movie. 673 00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:24,870 And of course, uh, Tom Hardy, but you know. 674 00:40:25,110 --> 00:40:28,350 , I mean, we, we, we would've accepted, I don't know, 675 00:40:28,350 --> 00:40:33,070 been in a cumber bench, Mesa, tome. Um, we would've accepted. 676 00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:36,910 Did you say Alfred Molina? Yeah. We, well, 677 00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:39,870 we did accept that we would accepted. 678 00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:40,830 Jamie Fox. 679 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,110 Uh, Zendaya. We would've accepted. 680 00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:44,950 Yeah. 681 00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:49,510 Actually Zendaya would prob should probably have taken Andrew Garfield spot in 682 00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:51,350 the ranking, but you know, well, her. 683 00:40:51,350 --> 00:40:54,550 She career's, you know, she's still just getting her start, 684 00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:56,150 so we we'll see where she goes. 685 00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:59,270 Yeah. Maybe season day in tick, tick boom, too. 686 00:40:59,990 --> 00:41:03,710 tick tick. Boom was really good. 687 00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:08,190 Andrew Garfield is phenomenal. I wanna watch that, that, that FBI show he is on. 688 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:13,310 I, I have never seen a better musical, but a narcissist than tick, tick, boom. 689 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,790 Uh, allegedly I don't. 690 00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:19,230 Allegedly. All right. Um, so 691 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,320 great villains that, so there's a, a great moment in this hallway fight, um, 692 00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:28,920 between Spiderman and green Golan. It's the moment I, 693 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,120 I was kind of describing before Spiderman is just punching him in the face and 694 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,600 William defo was just like smiling and laughing. 695 00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:40,680 And I had a weird stray thought that really it it's, it's not valuable. 696 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,800 It's not a valuable thought, 697 00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:48,070 but William defo plays a better joker as green Golan than I think many of the 698 00:41:48,070 --> 00:41:49,430 jokers we've seen on the screen. 699 00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:53,870 Yeah. I think will defo could be a hell of a joker. Uh, 700 00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:56,470 and also that hallway fight, uh, 701 00:41:57,190 --> 00:42:01,310 multiple plexes through the floor by will defo, 702 00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:02,470 which is just great. 703 00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:07,230 It's a funny comment that I've seen a couple in a couple of places where people 704 00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:09,990 note a lot of they're just like, huh? 705 00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:12,950 I don't think MMA film moves. 706 00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:17,310 Would've kind of gelled in the Sam Ramey films. And it's like, why, what, 707 00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:19,990 how was this your takeaway? 708 00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:23,030 that is a, that is a strange takeaway. 709 00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:25,270 I just liked him getting suplex through the floor. 710 00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:26,413 Yeah. R. 711 00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:27,750 Duplex and I'm happy. 712 00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:31,910 Yeah. And like, uh, what pile drivers or dive bombs. 713 00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:36,750 There were other wrestling moves in there that were just phenomenally executed. 714 00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:41,030 I, I don't like crashing through floors, uh, you know, gets, 715 00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:42,270 gets applause from me. 716 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,790 If you're gonna have, yeah. 717 00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:46,670 I actually think there were less plexes and more power bombs, 718 00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:47,500 I think you're right. 719 00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:48,230 Yeah. No, 720 00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:51,910 but if you're gonna have a superhero fight crash through some fucking floors, 721 00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:56,150 let's just do it, you know, stop, stop being, stop, 722 00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:59,110 stop holding back. That's that's what green Golin wanted. 723 00:42:59,350 --> 00:43:01,190 Spiderman to do, 724 00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:04,750 stop holding back and kill him to, 725 00:43:04,750 --> 00:43:06,350 to corrupt his moral code. 726 00:43:06,350 --> 00:43:11,110 Cuz all his green Golin wants to do is ruin Spiderman's day. And boy did, he. 727 00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:15,310 All he wants to do is ruin his day and also eat those donuts. 728 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,350 Oh man. He packed his jacket full of them. 729 00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:23,070 I love that his little outfit he's wearing uh, 730 00:43:23,070 --> 00:43:27,830 because presumably he came into that universe wearing the green 731 00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:31,750 Golin suit because moments before his death, he was fighting Spiderman. Right. 732 00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:33,350 For getting impeded on his glider. 733 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,550 So he came out and he like had to change his clothes and he found the most 734 00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:42,350 green Golan ass clothes he could possibly find, 735 00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:46,950 which is like a big billowy purple scarf and like a green 736 00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:51,390 chore coat. Uh, GTA, appreciate that. I do wonder though. 737 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,750 So like the feast center, right? That's a miles Morales thing. 738 00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:57,030 Yes. Like a. 739 00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:58,710 Miles Morales comics thing, right? 740 00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,710 It is. Yes. 741 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,430 Uh, also that was in the Spider-Man video game. 742 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,513 Correct? 743 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,500 Jay Jonah Jameson was cast into a fringe 744 00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:15,820 podcaster weirdo and the video game, which one did fringe? 745 00:44:16,030 --> 00:44:17,500 JJ J first. 746 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,410 I wanna say it was far from home. 747 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,713 Okay. 748 00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:29,250 Uh, well, no, I, I want, 749 00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:33,360 so that's the first movie appearance of friends. JJ, 750 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,360 JJ mm-hmm so that was 2019. 751 00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:38,680 And then Spider-Man PS4. 752 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,680 Spiderman. PS4 was like 2016 or 2018. 753 00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:46,920 Uh Spider-Man PS4 was 754 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,400 2018. 755 00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:52,240 So technically the video game did it first by a year, 756 00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:54,480 but we don't know when the scripts were written. 757 00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:58,440 We also don't know if that was a thing in the comic books at any point. 758 00:44:58,490 --> 00:45:01,640 So what was to say, you got their inspiration from where. 759 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,920 Right. And, and honestly, I mean, it doesn't matter. 760 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,160 It's all the same property really? Like, I mean, 761 00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:11,600 does this reinforcing each other at that point? No, one's stealing from anyone. 762 00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:15,160 I'm just saying there's a feast center. So where's Mr. Negative. 763 00:45:16,210 --> 00:45:18,360 Uh, he's busy running feast. 764 00:45:18,850 --> 00:45:21,920 Oh. And then he'll be do he'll do Mr. Negative stuff later. 765 00:45:22,310 --> 00:45:23,143 Yeah. 766 00:45:23,830 --> 00:45:24,920 I mean I'm here for it. 767 00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:26,480 Aren't we all. 768 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,320 We're all here for Mr. Negative slash Martin Lee. 769 00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:32,120 Martin Lee. You got it right. 770 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,080 There we go. Nailed. 771 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,480 It. Nailed it. Oh, 772 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,440 well in default I could talk forever about just, 773 00:45:39,390 --> 00:45:42,800 I don't know all of these. I could talk about the acting forever. 774 00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:48,760 I, I think there was a, there's a specific moment where, 775 00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:52,960 and, and they touch on this a couple times. Uh, 776 00:45:53,050 --> 00:45:56,520 so maybe the more interesting thing that I wanna talk about first is the 777 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,360 villains were obviously populated into this universe at the time 778 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,240 of their death. 779 00:46:02,970 --> 00:46:07,920 If the spell broke and they brought in people who knew about Spider-Man 780 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:08,480 I think people. 781 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,760 Well, people who knew Peter Parker is Spider-Man. 782 00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:12,920 Yes. 783 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,480 And the only people who knew that in those movies were the villains because they 784 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,280 had unasked him in one way or another. 785 00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:23,040 I wanna know why Mary Jane wasn't brought in from the Toby McGuire verse. 786 00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:26,840 Now my thinking is, uh, she was, 787 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,560 and they just didn't like, I don't know. 788 00:46:31,070 --> 00:46:33,800 Does the cell phone service work the same? 789 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,880 Maybe they just didn't get her because they, 790 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,040 they were specifically looking for Peter Parker when they cast that spell. 791 00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:46,710 Maybe I, I don't know. Maybe only bring maybe they only brought in dudes. 792 00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:49,950 Maybe, uh, that's a shame, 793 00:46:50,090 --> 00:46:54,350 but I know that when they did bring in both Toby McGuire 794 00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:59,590 and Andrew Garfield, they were age diversions of their Spiderman. 795 00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:05,350 That is correct because they weren't pulled from right before when 796 00:47:05,350 --> 00:47:07,390 they died. Cuz they didn't die. 797 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,670 Ah, interesting. So they, I mean it's magic. So who cares? Right. 798 00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:13,590 But so, so what I think it is, it's like, yeah, 799 00:47:13,590 --> 00:47:17,590 the magic pulled the most recent copy. It could not copy I guess, 800 00:47:17,650 --> 00:47:22,230 but pulled them from their most recent moments in the timeline and they 801 00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:23,950 all, all of the villains were dead, 802 00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:28,190 but they had Mo a most recent version of themselves that were pulled in. 803 00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:32,960 And then the two Spiderman who had continued to live on an age were pulled in 804 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,520 cuz they had a more recent copy. 805 00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:37,600 What, what if it, what if it pulled in the genuine, 806 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:42,560 most recent version of people who knew and just a skeleton came out of 807 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:43,393 a portal. 808 00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:45,040 Just a corpse, just a. 809 00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:47,520 Just a corpse of norm porn. 810 00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:51,320 Yeah. It's it's still pierced by the glider. They couldn't remove it. 811 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,800 So they just buried him. Yeah. 812 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,600 With the glider attach, the GLI is still and it. 813 00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,200 When I cleaned your father's wound, I left the glider in there. 814 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,313 . 815 00:48:01,870 --> 00:48:03,520 I didn't know how to get it out. 816 00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:04,680 No, there was no, 817 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,240 there were no YouTube tutorials for me to look up 818 00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:11,200 for glider removal. 819 00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:14,000 I loved your father Harry. 820 00:48:14,650 --> 00:48:17,280 So I'm sorry about the glider thing. 821 00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:22,840 We had an intimate relationship. He wasn't ready to tell you. 822 00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:26,200 I've seen things in this house. 823 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:31,000 I've never spoken of like your father naked. Anyway. 824 00:48:31,150 --> 00:48:32,320 I love you too. 825 00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:34,240 Surprisingly big penis. 826 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,633 . 827 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,480 Everyone said it, but I didn't believe it. I hadn't seen auntie Christ. 828 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,040 Everyone on the set was confused and by the set, I mean everyone in the house, 829 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,000 which was just me. 830 00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:51,600 Why struggling. 831 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,433 To talk? 832 00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:56,200 Am I talking about will de fo or Norman Osborne? 833 00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:58,840 Am I your Butler or an actor? 834 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,680 this is your. 835 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,680 James Frank. 836 00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:06,960 This is what will drive you to become the ho. 837 00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:14,360 I guess I need to rewatch that scene with the Butler in. 838 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,840 It. yeah, it's really long and weird. 839 00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:21,800 You need to watch the more fun edition to, uh, to get the additional scenes. 840 00:49:22,290 --> 00:49:25,640 Oh man. The more fun edition was great, but it's not really worth talking about. 841 00:49:26,350 --> 00:49:29,200 What those 11 extra minutes aren't worth 11 extra. 842 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,040 Minutes a cast. 843 00:49:30,850 --> 00:49:35,360 Uh, I mean, so there were a lot more bits with Hannibal bears, JB, 844 00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:39,600 JB, smooth and Martin star, which were phenomenal. Uh, 845 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,400 there was a whole telecast in there by, by the students about, 846 00:49:45,250 --> 00:49:48,960 uh, Spiderman, going to their school with multiple interviews of those, those, 847 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,040 those people. I just named along with like actual, you know, friends of, 848 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,480 of Peter Parker. That was pretty fun. Uh, 849 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,360 there was one more scene with Matt Murdoch and happy Hogan, uh, in front of a, 850 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,360 a Des a deposition about the stolen stark tech, uh, 851 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,560 where happy ho Hogan gets an alert on his phone, 852 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,920 where he watches all the villains, enter his, his, 853 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,600 his apartment while in front of like a deposition. And that Murdoch was like, 854 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,520 stop sweating. He's like, how do you do that? 855 00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:20,800 That sounds like more fun. It. 856 00:50:20,810 --> 00:50:22,280 It brought in more humor. 857 00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:28,440 Eventually the extra scenes ended because the, 858 00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:30,320 the need for humor I guess, 859 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,760 had been met and now it was time for deep sadness. 860 00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:38,800 I, I gotta say we, we glossed over this, 861 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,360 but you wanna talk about the CRA people, you know, it's crazy, right? 862 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,960 That this Sony slash Marvel movie brings in all these other Sony property 863 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,480 things, including eventually venom. 864 00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:51,823 Like yeah. 865 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,880 Whatever. That's crazy, right? Yeah. It was really fucking crazy. 866 00:50:54,990 --> 00:50:57,040 Matt fucking Murdoch is crazy. 867 00:50:57,420 --> 00:51:00,040 Yes. Matt Murdoch played by Charlie Cox Fromm. 868 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,160 The Netflix Marvel series reprising his role for the first time. 869 00:51:04,460 --> 00:51:07,680 And in a way that when I first saw him in theaters, 870 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,240 I literally like out loud in an Alamo draft house just went, oh shit. 871 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,320 I I've heard people. 872 00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:18,560 Charlie Cox himself said that he saw it and no one made a 873 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,760 sound. I can tell you Mr. 874 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,800 Charlie Cox that in my Alamo draft house, 875 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,280 everyone audibly gasped. 876 00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:30,840 Yes. Um, so yeah, come on our show, Mr. 877 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,840 Charlie Cox, and we will gasp, we will recreate that moment, uh, 878 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,400 for you cuz I'm saddened by that news. I, it was a phenomenal moment. 879 00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:44,040 Yeah. We, we will gasp for you. And also to be clear, 880 00:51:44,050 --> 00:51:47,920 we will only talk about your character on boardwalk empire. 881 00:51:48,310 --> 00:51:51,600 I don't sure I will be lost the entire conversation. 882 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,280 Don't worry. Just watch the first three seasons of boardwalk empire. 883 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,010 You'll be fine. 884 00:51:56,010 --> 00:51:58,560 Oh, okay. Yeah. I'll just go ahead and do that real quick. 885 00:51:58,890 --> 00:52:03,880 Uh, but yeah, that was the big reveal to me was cuz you know, you see your Toby, 886 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,520 McGuires your Andrew Garf and the theater was like, Ooh, 887 00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:10,000 but Matt Murdoch is what really did it for my theater. 888 00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:12,480 Oh yeah. Matt Murdoch was. I mean, 889 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,560 honestly that was a really cool moment cuz it's like, oh shit. 890 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,680 These movies are like connected to stuff. 891 00:52:18,740 --> 00:52:22,870 Also. I saw some people whining about the I'm a really good lawyer line. 892 00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:24,870 I think that line's hilarious. That's. 893 00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:26,310 A, that's a phenomenal line. 894 00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:30,230 yeah. I, I think it's really good. I think it's really funny. 895 00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:31,990 And people complaining about it are babies. 896 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:32,950 Oh man. 897 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:36,510 These are the same people who are complaining about she hol twerk and I just 898 00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:37,343 don't need to know you. 899 00:52:37,740 --> 00:52:41,830 I mean, these are the people who are complaining about MJ being, uh, 900 00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:46,870 I'm not gonna say they're complaining because she's not white, 901 00:52:47,530 --> 00:52:51,270 but I'm not gonna say that's not why they're complaining. 902 00:52:52,580 --> 00:52:56,950 Yeah. Moving on. Um. 903 00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:59,190 There's a black Spiderman out there somewhere. 904 00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:00,710 That's a really good line. 905 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,350 Oh it's great. That's. 906 00:53:02,350 --> 00:53:03,183 A phenomenal line. 907 00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:03,740 I really, 908 00:53:03,740 --> 00:53:07,910 I will say they do look at each other for a little too long after that. Nick. 909 00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:08,950 It's a little too cute. 910 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:12,790 I, I just, I really like, you know, his, 911 00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:15,390 his logic and his reasoning was like you from Queens, 912 00:53:16,170 --> 00:53:19,150 you do a lot of good for a lot of people. Mostly poor people. 913 00:53:19,660 --> 00:53:23,910 I just thought you were black. and then Andrew, Gar just goes, oh man, 914 00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:25,363 I'm sorry. 915 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,760 yeah. It's that's really funny this. 916 00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:33,800 So genuine. He's just like , he's bummed out. What. 917 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,600 What I love about that is electros reply is like, no it's okay. 918 00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:42,080 Like you should, you should be apologizing, but it is okay. Right. 919 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,640 Cause I'm sure there's a black Spiderman out there somewhere. 920 00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:47,080 I really thought Andrew Garfield when it was doing that, 921 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,560 like slow nod when they were looking at each other a little bit too long for it 922 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,040 to sink in was just gonna mouth miles, morale. 923 00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:59,240 Morales. Is that who you're talking about? I've 924 00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:03,520 Miles's another Spiderman. 925 00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:05,800 I've seen things in this house. 926 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,600 I've never spoken of another Spiderman. 927 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,400 Maybe you wanna kill him. Well, he's black. Don't do it. 928 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,600 they'll call you a hate crime. 929 00:54:17,310 --> 00:54:21,080 I hope you don't do a lot of stuff in the next few years that makes people 930 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,600 realize you're kind of a. 931 00:54:23,350 --> 00:54:25,320 Creeps tugs, collar. 932 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,320 Tugs collar, James Franco. We've. 933 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,600 Been, I think we've been avoiding it enough. 934 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,360 I feel like we need to talk about the three Spiderman. 935 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,840 have we not been talking about the three Spiderman? 936 00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:41,840 I think the greatest moments. Okay. So I, this is what I. 937 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,840 What I really three Spiderman as a unit. Absolutely. 938 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,590 Yeah. What I really want to talk about. Uh, and, and I'm when I, 939 00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:53,310 when I talk about this, I'm talking to other executive producers, 940 00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:57,310 other people making contact content out there, 941 00:54:58,410 --> 00:55:00,190 I'm speaking directly to you people. 942 00:55:00,980 --> 00:55:03,630 This movie is how you do fan service. 943 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,030 It is not gratuitous. It is not flagrant. 944 00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:11,270 It is not for the sake of doing it. 945 00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:15,910 They built a story around bringing these three Spider-Man 946 00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:20,470 together and they make it a, a culminating moment for one of them. 947 00:55:21,050 --> 00:55:25,550 And then they redeem the other two through action scenes that are, are, 948 00:55:25,550 --> 00:55:26,750 are just phenomenal. 949 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,460 Fan service needs to have a purpose. It's not just, well, 950 00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:36,260 let's bring in all these things you recognize. So it dopamine spikes. 951 00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:41,060 No let's wrap up shit. We couldn't wrap up. Cuz we ran out of time. 952 00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:43,260 Let's give more story, 953 00:55:43,650 --> 00:55:48,500 more life to established characters that were bringing into this, to this story. 954 00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:53,100 Let's give everyone it's the, the whole movies about second chances. 955 00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:58,300 Yeah. I mean, there, there's an old adage that whenever you write a character, 956 00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:02,340 you owe them something because you created them. Uh, and I think in, 957 00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:05,340 in writing this movie and putting these characters in it, 958 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,780 the writers did realize they owed something to these characters for pulling them 959 00:56:09,780 --> 00:56:13,220 in. They could have just shown up and set a bunch of one liners, 960 00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:17,100 which don't get me wrong. This movie is full of self-referential one liners. 961 00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:19,180 I'm a bit of a scientist, myself, et cetera. 962 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,400 But like the fact that these characters got pulled in 963 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,880 and got to resolve serious parts about their 964 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,880 characters before being sent back to their respective universes chef kiss for 965 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:34,713 a job. 966 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,600 Phenomenal. It, it wasn't just like, yeah, 967 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,960 there were self we would do. There were self, 968 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,920 there were the things you said, self refer. 969 00:56:47,780 --> 00:56:48,640 Self-referential. 970 00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:51,600 One liners. There were those. 971 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,760 But they were in con they were standing in contrast to character 972 00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:59,680 development. And, and honestly the wrapping up of, 973 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,920 of character arcs that were left dangling by poor decision making. 974 00:57:04,770 --> 00:57:07,080 Um, mostly for Andrew Garfield's part. 975 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,360 . Yeah, mostly for Andrew Garfield, never getting a, 976 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,320 a third movie due to, um, 977 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,000 executive level decisions and like a lack of general public interest. 978 00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:19,840 Well, since this is one of the, 979 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,680 the most transient lines that ex ascends the page and ascends the 980 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,080 screen is when Toby McGuire Spiderman tells Andrew Garfield 981 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,560 Spiderman, stop with the, like, what is this lane talk? You're amazing. 982 00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:40,430 That serves. So because the Andrew Garfield Spiderman, for some reason, 983 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,270 granted, I never saw these films. I've never seen amazing Spider-Man one or two. 984 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,110 So I, I, I'm not gonna weigh in, 985 00:57:47,110 --> 00:57:52,110 but like apparently he was just torn apart online for his performance that 986 00:57:52,580 --> 00:57:57,030 I, I think it really affected him afterward a and so having 987 00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:58,470 the original, 988 00:57:58,470 --> 00:58:02,710 Spider-Man tell you as the actor portraying the, the, 989 00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:04,910 the second Spider-Man that you're amazing. 990 00:58:06,140 --> 00:58:10,110 Like it it's like we're watching therapy. We're we're we're yeah, 991 00:58:10,110 --> 00:58:12,950 this is role play and it, it works and it makes, 992 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,830 it touches my heart because in addition to that, it's just wholesome as fuck. 993 00:58:17,850 --> 00:58:19,550 And we need more wholesome, 994 00:58:19,780 --> 00:58:23,830 like supportive talk between our strong male characters. 995 00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:27,830 I I'm gonna be the first to say it. Men need to be more supportive of men. 996 00:58:28,550 --> 00:58:30,230 I mean, yeah, absolutely. 997 00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:32,670 And everyone loves it when. 998 00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:33,670 You're doing a great job. 999 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,750 Oh, thank you. You, you, in real life, you're so mean to me. 1000 00:58:37,660 --> 00:58:40,710 I know, I know. I. 1001 00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:46,110 The three Spiderman, every moment is a chef's kiss. 1002 00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:51,550 I, I love it. I, I, I totally get what you're saying about the Andrew Garfield. 1003 00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:55,790 So I have seen, I watched all of the Spider-Man movies, uh, maybe a year ago, 1004 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:56,870 uh, 1005 00:58:56,870 --> 00:59:01,630 after this movie came out and a lot of people had real issues with 1006 00:59:01,630 --> 00:59:04,150 Andrew Garfield's portrayal of Peter Parker, 1007 00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:08,390 because everyone has a fucking opinion about how Peter Parker 1008 00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:13,230 should act and guess what babies he should act. However, 1009 00:59:13,290 --> 00:59:14,710 the writers write him. 1010 00:59:15,020 --> 00:59:16,270 Yeah, absolutely. 1011 00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:20,990 Just in the same way that Steve Ditco or whatever, the, and Stanley or whatever, 1012 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,800 whatever the fuck wrote, the first Spiderman, 1013 00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:27,880 he acted the way that Steve Ditco and Stanley wanted him to act and additional 1014 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,160 writers surprise will have their characters act in different ways. 1015 00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:34,040 Yeah. Uh, 1016 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,200 the only thing I know about the Andrew Garfield Spiderman was that he was more 1017 00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:40,560 Quy, which is like, that's great. That's the character in my purview. 1018 00:59:40,850 --> 00:59:45,480 He he's nervous. So he cracks jokes. Like that's, that's part of the character. 1019 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:46,040 That's all I know. 1020 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:46,630 About him. 1021 00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:50,080 I think Andrew Garfield Spider-Man was actually one of the more interesting 1022 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,120 ones. I think you should give those movies a chance, 1023 00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:56,640 because he was like really physical and Quy, 1024 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,280 but like kind of cruel and petty in a very juvenile way 1025 01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:06,480 that like, clearly isn't supposed to come across as cool. Yeah. Which you, 1026 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,800 you rarely get in a Peter Parker. Like usually if you get a quippy, 1027 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,800 Peter Parker, it's a quippy like unequivocally, right. Peter Parker. 1028 01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:20,480 But this is like a Peter Parker is like quippy, but like kind of mean, 1029 01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:24,360 and weird and anxious, like a, 1030 01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:27,680 like someone who tells jokes to cut the tension, 1031 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,600 but is like not great with people. 1032 01:00:30,170 --> 01:00:34,320 Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Also his parents have a mystery about him. 1033 01:00:34,830 --> 01:00:36,960 Yeah. That's the worst part of those movies? 1034 01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:39,190 I don't know anything about him. 1035 01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:42,230 Haven't seen him and they won't come off fucking stars. 1036 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,990 So I guess I never will see 'em. 1037 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:49,230 Oh, uh we're. We're big stars, heads, big fans of spar. ATUs blood and sand. 1038 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,070 Uh, no, we're not. I, I don't know how we saw those movies. 1039 01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:54,390 You might have rented them. 1040 01:00:54,460 --> 01:00:59,430 That's probably it. Anyway. I think that an so after I finished this movie, 1041 01:00:59,430 --> 01:01:04,430 the first time the, uh, the overwhelming feeling I walked away with was, 1042 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,470 oh my God, thank God. I get to see Toby McGuire again, 1043 01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:13,390 like the Spider-Man too might be one of my favorite movies of all time. 1044 01:01:13,390 --> 01:01:17,630 If not, if not that it's certainly my most re-watched movie of all time, 1045 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,510 uh, watched it all the time as a teenager and 1046 01:01:23,710 --> 01:01:25,910 watching this movie a second time. I'm like, I think Andrew, 1047 01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:30,870 Garfield's actually my favorite Spider-Man in this movie because people largely 1048 01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:33,950 have no reverence for him. He's going through a lot. 1049 01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:36,550 Andrew Garfield acts his ass off. Oh man. 1050 01:01:36,550 --> 01:01:39,870 That scene where he catches Mary Jane and asks if she's okay, 1051 01:01:39,870 --> 01:01:42,190 then she asks him if he's okay. . 1052 01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:43,680 Phenomenal. Yeah. 1053 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:44,630 Oh, amazing. 1054 01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:50,430 Yeah. I, from the very start, his introduction in this movie where, 1055 01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:53,350 you know, people are tossing bread at him. . 1056 01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:54,350 Mm-hmm. 1057 01:01:54,350 --> 01:01:56,310 , it's like, I've got the single thing. 1058 01:01:56,310 --> 01:01:59,230 It just doesn't work for bread. I. 1059 01:01:59,230 --> 01:02:02,870 Think this is something that the movie does really a really good job threading 1060 01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:06,550 the needle of which is so, like, 1061 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,710 there's a difference between something being intertextual and meta textual. 1062 01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:14,870 And this is the thing we used to talk about a lot, uh, 1063 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,470 on the podcast when we were a lot more insufferable and had a lot more free 1064 01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:19,303 time. 1065 01:02:19,540 --> 01:02:23,520 But like intertextuality is you are talking about 1066 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,800 texts, right? Like you're talking about things that are, 1067 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,720 intertext like you're referring to other characters and other texts. 1068 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:36,240 And usually the MCU is pretty solidly. Intertextual correct. 1069 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,920 It is to say it is talking about the lines on the page and subsequent lines. 1070 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,840 Right? At no point, 1071 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:47,800 are we talking about an outside medium or an outside world? Uh, 1072 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,480 cuz it doesn't exist. All that exists is what's on the page. Intertextual. 1073 01:02:52,860 --> 01:02:53,280 And, 1074 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,400 and I think maybe I threw around the word meta textual too much in talking about 1075 01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,760 the MCU before, but Spider-Man no way. 1076 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:05,000 Home is certainly a meta textual movie because to be meta textual, 1077 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,640 you must be making a critique of your fiction, 1078 01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:11,960 not of your world or of your text, 1079 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,960 but the existence of your fiction and other fictions. 1080 01:03:16,290 --> 01:03:20,800 So by having Andrew Garfield inhabit a 1081 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,280 character who acts and is perceived in such a way that communicates 1082 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:26,560 flawlessly to the audience, 1083 01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:30,320 how we know culture felt about those movies, 1084 01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:31,840 that's meta textual. 1085 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,840 Right? Exactly. Yeah. Because then it's about the, 1086 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:39,480 the reception of the character playing within the world 1087 01:03:39,690 --> 01:03:40,960 of that character. 1088 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,280 And that character is getting to sort of embody a response to that, 1089 01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:48,120 that response to it. 1090 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,400 So it's hard to talk about without becoming like a weird loop that's when you 1091 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,233 know it's meta. 1092 01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:54,680 Yeah. You, you know, 1093 01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,920 it's meta when you are not necessarily just seeing a character, 1094 01:03:58,940 --> 01:04:01,560 but you're seeing a character and an idea. 1095 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,280 exactly. 1096 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,760 Being very, being very well communicated to you in that, 1097 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,640 like this is a character I'm watching the text, 1098 01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:13,480 but the text also within it holds the reality of those 1099 01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:16,640 movies. Right. Which is really smart. 1100 01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:19,280 And it's also true for Toby McGuire, right? 1101 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,880 Like he's a meta textual representation of Spider-Man slash Peter Parker 1102 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,480 because he is revered kind of quiet. 1103 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,560 Everyone immediately respects him upon seeing him because we all know those 1104 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,200 movies were good and a huge deal and everyone remembers them. 1105 01:04:36,270 --> 01:04:39,160 Yeah. And he was the originator of the role. 1106 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,840 Like he is the original Spiderman for these live 1107 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:48,640 action movies. And so like, he's done his, he's done the work. 1108 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:53,120 He's earned the respect. We don't need him to earn our respect anymore. 1109 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,240 In this movie, we just, you know, like, he's here, like, wow, he's gonna, 1110 01:04:58,870 --> 01:05:01,840 he's like, what is he gonna do? 1111 01:05:02,020 --> 01:05:04,960 And what he does is impart the, you know, 1112 01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:10,040 the darkest parts of Spider-Man and relates that this is what it 1113 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:14,160 means to be a hero to this young, bright kid who we've seen. 1114 01:05:14,970 --> 01:05:17,720 We just saw go through the hardest day of his life. 1115 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,200 But before that we've seen him go through some pretty hard days, 1116 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,160 but it was all sort of lighthearted, superhero fun. 1117 01:05:26,660 --> 01:05:30,440 Yeah. I mean, we, we had to see in this movie, 1118 01:05:30,540 --> 01:05:34,640 the character of Peter Parker as played by Tom Holland totally destroyed 1119 01:05:35,770 --> 01:05:39,000 in, in a lot of different ways. In many ways, 1120 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,360 this movie is deconstructing. Oh no, 1121 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,600 I don't want to go down this rabbit hole. . 1122 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,520 It is though. It's deconstructing. 1123 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,320 Deconstructing the idea idea of. 1124 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:48,600 Spiderman. 1125 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,160 Spiderman. That's what this movie is. 1126 01:05:51,330 --> 01:05:53,480 It absolutely is. And, 1127 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,960 and to the point where the culmination of the action is Spiderman, 1128 01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:59,960 a beaten bloodied, 1129 01:06:00,150 --> 01:06:04,960 Spider-Man doing the most brutal moves we've seen him do before. 1130 01:06:05,380 --> 01:06:10,000 Who, who punches with full force and dense, the goddamn bronze, 1131 01:06:10,540 --> 01:06:13,320 you know, captain America, shield of Liberty or whatever. 1132 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,680 Like we've seen him use more force than we've ever seen him use before. 1133 01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:21,400 Pick up the glider to recreate fate 1134 01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:25,080 and kill the green Golan with his own glider. 1135 01:06:26,310 --> 01:06:30,400 That is a deconstructed. That is a completely, that is not Spiderman. 1136 01:06:30,830 --> 01:06:31,800 That is we're. 1137 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:32,880 That is someone else. 1138 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,920 We're demolishing and deconstructing the character of Spiderman over time. 1139 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,720 Because the Spiderman we originally get when this movie starts is totally 1140 01:06:41,830 --> 01:06:46,240 kitted out, like filled to the brim with ideals. 1141 01:06:46,580 --> 01:06:49,440 And then by the end of the movie, we, you, 1142 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,640 the audience is made to ask what is Spiderman without ideals? 1143 01:06:53,870 --> 01:06:57,240 What is Spiderman without a suit was Spiderman without Peter Parker. 1144 01:06:58,030 --> 01:07:02,440 Eventually we're made to ask, what is this character? 1145 01:07:02,650 --> 01:07:07,320 If no one, if everything we know about this character is stripped away. 1146 01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:08,480 What's. 1147 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,560 What is Spiderman? 1148 01:07:10,030 --> 01:07:10,440 I mean, 1149 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:15,040 and what the great thing this movie does is while it's stripping away Spiderman 1150 01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:19,200 to his, his deepest, most vulnerable nerve, 1151 01:07:19,330 --> 01:07:22,760 it it's getting him the tools to climb out. 1152 01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:27,400 Like it gives him finally on screen 1153 01:07:27,780 --> 01:07:30,880 the line with great power comes great responsibility. 1154 01:07:32,930 --> 01:07:34,310 And through that, 1155 01:07:34,310 --> 01:07:38,630 that is the avenue out that the other Spiderman can use to pull him out of this, 1156 01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:43,070 the, the deepest pit he's ever been in. So it it's funny how, like, 1157 01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:46,190 while he's being deconstructed and stripped away, 1158 01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:51,190 he's been giving the tool to rebuild himself and finally make 1159 01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:54,750 that, that the hugest sacrifice, I guess, 1160 01:07:54,750 --> 01:07:56,390 anyone could make without actually dying, 1161 01:07:56,550 --> 01:07:59,950 being forgotten by existence. 1162 01:08:01,140 --> 01:08:06,030 I mean, it does effectively do what every successful, 1163 01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:09,990 what most successful interpretations of Spider-Man do, 1164 01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:14,350 which is with the delivery of the line with great power comes great 1165 01:08:14,350 --> 01:08:17,520 responsibility. It strips everything else away. It's like, 1166 01:08:18,420 --> 01:08:21,760 you are who you are and what are you going to do with it? And at the end, 1167 01:08:21,870 --> 01:08:26,760 when he is in a shitty apartment in New York city classic 1168 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,593 Spiderman. 1169 01:08:27,890 --> 01:08:29,560 Oh yeah. RINs do on the first too. 1170 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:34,360 Great line taking, taking the G E D on the citizen app. Uh, 1171 01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:34,600 the, 1172 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:39,440 the answer that we get is what is Spider-Man without Peter Parker Spider-Man as 1173 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:43,920 an ideal is being responsible for others 1174 01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:45,840 because you have to be. 1175 01:08:48,510 --> 01:08:51,920 Yeah. Yeah. 1176 01:08:52,670 --> 01:08:56,280 I just want to add, uh, a really great moment. Um, 1177 01:08:58,170 --> 01:09:00,470 the fact that cuz everyone likes, 1178 01:09:00,540 --> 01:09:05,350 I mean the one that is most obvious or was most obvious to me was of course, 1179 01:09:05,350 --> 01:09:08,430 Andrew Garfield getting to save MJ and, 1180 01:09:08,430 --> 01:09:13,030 and redeeming himself for the horrible thing that happened that Gwen, Stacy, 1181 01:09:13,970 --> 01:09:18,750 but Toby McGuire Spiderman gets to prevent green gobbling from being stabbed by 1182 01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:23,670 his own glider. Yes. And then that way he gets to re undo a failure 1183 01:09:26,330 --> 01:09:28,470 for better or worse, a failure of, 1184 01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:32,190 of preventing green Goblin's death and his original timeline. 1185 01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:38,110 While also wordlessly just staring into the soul of Tom Holland to 1186 01:09:38,110 --> 01:09:40,150 be like, what the fuck are you doing? 1187 01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:42,110 yeah. I, uh, 1188 01:09:42,110 --> 01:09:45,590 most intense Toby McGuire face I've ever. 1189 01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:49,030 Seen. I'm sorry if, if I was on the receiving end of that glare, 1190 01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:50,910 I think I would just break down in tears right there. 1191 01:09:50,910 --> 01:09:53,790 I don't know if I would have the wherewithal to grab the, the, 1192 01:09:53,810 --> 01:09:55,590 the cure being thrown at me. 1193 01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:58,150 I think I would just break down and cry right there. 1194 01:09:58,150 --> 01:10:02,360 Cuz it's like that's Spiderman man. Disappointed in. 1195 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:03,193 Me. Yeah. 1196 01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,880 Spiderman being disappointed in me that that hurts. That cuts deep. 1197 01:10:08,230 --> 01:10:11,720 Yeah. It it's a great look too, cuz it communicates so much. 1198 01:10:12,130 --> 01:10:14,800 It communicates like what have we been doing all this for? 1199 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:19,400 Why did we share our trauma and our losses with you and tell you how we became 1200 01:10:19,410 --> 01:10:21,480 so rageful for you to do this. 1201 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,640 Right? It's like, ah, it's a look that conveys, 1202 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:29,360 like we talked about this I'm disappointed. And while also being like, come on, 1203 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,080 man, please. Like, and, and the, the, 1204 01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:37,800 I mean the crazy thing is like that's too fully powered Spiderman. 1205 01:10:40,330 --> 01:10:44,260 I, I don't know, like he's, I don't, 1206 01:10:45,870 --> 01:10:48,740 there's a lot of emotion there, which is rare. 1207 01:10:48,970 --> 01:10:53,060 I think for superhero movies where it's usually about one big last fight or 1208 01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:53,810 whatever. 1209 01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:54,700 Yeah. I mean, 1210 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:59,180 one thing that I will say about all of these Spider-Man home 1211 01:10:59,970 --> 01:11:03,420 movies is that they do for the most part 1212 01:11:04,730 --> 01:11:09,020 reject this kind of, they, 1213 01:11:09,020 --> 01:11:13,960 they reject this arc that all of the Marvel movies seem to have 1214 01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:19,200 where they try to create like an unambiguous 1215 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:20,680 obstacle. 1216 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,480 That must be solved because all of them are complicated. 1217 01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:29,920 Like mysterious, complicated, cuz he is pitiable in a lot of ways. Uh, 1218 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,760 vulture is obviously complicated. Uh, 1219 01:11:33,610 --> 01:11:37,120 so I think these movies do carry more emotional weight 1220 01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:41,470 on average than most Marvel movies. This one, especially. 1221 01:11:44,410 --> 01:11:44,900 Yeah. 1222 01:11:44,900 --> 01:11:48,380 Cause you don't want to kill green Golan. Look at him, look. 1223 01:11:48,380 --> 01:11:50,420 At him. He looks pathetic. I mean he looks. 1224 01:11:50,490 --> 01:11:52,180 Evil weight. He stabbed me. Oh. 1225 01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:53,013 Yeah. 1226 01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:55,900 Perfect. That, that happens by the way. 1227 01:11:56,210 --> 01:11:58,380 I did read originally. Uh, 1228 01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:03,340 well they filmed two versions apparently of that stabbing scene and 1229 01:12:03,540 --> 01:12:05,780 apparently in one of them, Toby McGuire Spiderman dies. 1230 01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:06,983 Oh boy. 1231 01:12:07,050 --> 01:12:10,020 I think that would've been a bad move. So I'm glad they went with uh, 1232 01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:14,940 stabbed in great pain pleads for the love of God, get him a doctor. . 1233 01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:18,500 I, that would've felt cheap to me. 1234 01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:24,180 That's too movie. And yeah, the fact that they went with a version that, 1235 01:12:24,180 --> 01:12:28,340 that resists that I feel like elevates it somewhat because you don't drag. 1236 01:12:28,340 --> 01:12:31,660 I mean, you're not gonna drag in the AR it's like bring it in. 1237 01:12:31,660 --> 01:12:35,380 Like I don't bring it in. Uh, 1238 01:12:35,670 --> 01:12:38,780 Michael Keaton is Batman just to kill him. Like it doesn't make any. 1239 01:12:38,780 --> 01:12:41,900 Sense. Yeah. It feels like a waste because like to see that character die, 1240 01:12:41,900 --> 01:12:45,420 I'm sure would have an emotional punch, but you're not gonna be like, ah, no, 1241 01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:49,820 I'm not gonna see the new Toby McGuire Spiderman movie. Cuz he's that's like, 1242 01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:51,900 of course you weren't going to this for 20 years. 1243 01:12:52,190 --> 01:12:56,540 No, he's not coming back. He came back for this and this was it. 1244 01:12:56,540 --> 01:12:59,940 This was a once in a lifetime event. You witnessed it. You were lucky. 1245 01:13:01,090 --> 01:13:01,580 Yeah. 1246 01:13:01,580 --> 01:13:05,020 It's it's like going to a movie and then they bring a character like this is 1247 01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:10,180 Colombo and then they shoot him in the head. They're like no Colombo. 1248 01:13:11,210 --> 01:13:12,043 They, 1249 01:13:12,690 --> 01:13:17,540 they go through the trouble of naming a character just and then in, oh, 1250 01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:20,900 well I mean folks go see bullet train. 1251 01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:24,600 Oh no. But, but it's like if, if, 1252 01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:26,960 if there is a movie and they were like, 1253 01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:31,640 this is Fox molder and Dana Scully from the exfil. 1254 01:13:31,660 --> 01:13:34,600 Huh? And then they just like Gart them death. 1255 01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:39,560 Like you didn't think you were gonna see him again. So it's not, 1256 01:13:39,650 --> 01:13:42,840 it doesn't really have a lot of emotional weight that they died. This. 1257 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,280 Is the weirdest James Bond movie ever. . 1258 01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:52,080 They just keep marching characters into a room to kill them. This is so weird. 1259 01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:53,343 This is. 1260 01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:57,880 This is, this is Foghorn leg horn. . 1261 01:13:59,270 --> 01:14:02,480 I was just like, why is bones here? I'm worried about bones. 1262 01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:06,560 Why is bones from the show bones here? 1263 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,200 oh, okay. Okay. If, 1264 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,240 if a movie does like a fan service thing in that way, 1265 01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:17,240 I think it also wins because then it's just like, fuck you. Fuck your nostalgia. 1266 01:14:17,550 --> 01:14:19,880 I wanna make something like space jam, 1267 01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,400 but for killing off beloved pop culture figures. 1268 01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:27,320 Yeah. Oh well yeah. Fictional pop culture figures. 1269 01:14:27,390 --> 01:14:28,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 1270 01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:31,560 This is Nikki Minaj. Wait. No, 1271 01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:35,240 that's a real person. 1272 01:14:36,910 --> 01:14:41,120 That would be, that would be fascinating. I think, 1273 01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:44,360 I think Megan, the stallion is in she Hulk now or something. 1274 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,760 That's great. Yeah. She, she. 1275 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,720 What if Megan, the stallion just got like crushed with a bus. 1276 01:14:49,790 --> 01:14:51,680 I mean like I love Megan the stallion. 1277 01:14:52,750 --> 01:14:56,120 I feel like if, yeah. I feel like if I was famous enough to be like, 1278 01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,960 we want you for one episode and a thing, I'd be like, can you kill me off? 1279 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,800 I like, yeah, yes, I'll be in it. But also can I die? Like . 1280 01:15:05,230 --> 01:15:07,360 I just thought that one episode of, uh, 1281 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:12,360 game of Thrones where was really weird when they're like, this is my new night, 1282 01:15:12,660 --> 01:15:16,080 sir, flee of house red, hot chili peppers. 1283 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,160 And they just get shot in the face with an arrow. 1284 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,520 Honestly. So they, yeah, honestly, 1285 01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,400 if the Cammy of ed sheer and ended with him getting stabbed, 1286 01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:24,520 I wouldn't have complained. 1287 01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,400 It's really how they should have done it. Yeah. They should have done it. 1288 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,520 Like the two people from always sunny who were just guards on a boat who you 1289 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,600 would never even saw their faces, but they get murdered. 1290 01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:38,840 Yep. That's a fun, that's a fun story. Cuz they traded episodes basically. 1291 01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:40,533 Oh did they? 1292 01:15:41,020 --> 01:15:43,730 So the, the, the D and D uh, 1293 01:15:43,730 --> 01:15:47,930 the show runners of game of Thrones got oh bad. Got to direct. One episode of, 1294 01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:52,050 uh, it's always sunny and they got cameos in one episode of game of throne. 1295 01:15:52,140 --> 01:15:53,610 Oh, that's fun. Yeah. 1296 01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:58,170 It was, uh, flowers for Charlie episodes actually on ironically, 1297 01:15:58,170 --> 01:15:59,170 a really good episode. 1298 01:15:59,170 --> 01:16:01,570 Uh, flowers for Charlie is an amazing episode. 1299 01:16:01,570 --> 01:16:04,250 That was directed by D and D of game of Thrones fame. 1300 01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:07,330 Wow. Maybe they should have brought that to the dares. 1301 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,850 They should have brought that to the dinner. . 1302 01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:15,450 That might be my new ring tone. 1303 01:16:15,890 --> 01:16:18,810 maybe they should have brought that to the DS. 1304 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,450 Anyway. House of dragons is fine. House. 1305 01:16:23,450 --> 01:16:26,370 Of dragon. I haven't watched it. I haven't watched it. It's fine. 1306 01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:31,530 Do I have spider some last thoughts about this Spiderman movie? 1307 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,930 I think I've said what I came here to say. 1308 01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:39,850 I there's so much more that this movie has to offer that. 1309 01:16:39,850 --> 01:16:41,290 I don't think we can put into words. 1310 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:47,250 Yeah. Agreed. I, I mean, there's only so much, 1311 01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:50,850 there's only so much time for a podcast, 1312 01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:54,050 but this movie is about the last 20 years of our lives. 1313 01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,330 Absolutely. Like, I mean, just going, I mean, 1314 01:16:58,330 --> 01:17:02,370 for me it was just the Toby McGuire of it all. Like those movies, 1315 01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:05,720 they would come on FX all the time. 1316 01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,320 I would watch 'em every time they came on with commercials, 1317 01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,080 they would take hours. But I, 1318 01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:15,920 I don't know that they were like my childhood afternoons, those movies. 1319 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,520 I, I don't know if I ever saw one in theaters. Um, 1320 01:17:19,670 --> 01:17:22,160 I might have seen spy three in, in, 1321 01:17:22,210 --> 01:17:26,240 in theaters and then walked out confused. Um, 1322 01:17:27,140 --> 01:17:27,840 but I just, 1323 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,760 I think they did just a really great job of 1324 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:37,410 balancing the, the vibes of the MCU, 1325 01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:42,130 the vibes of the home trilogy, and then paying homage to the, you know, 1326 01:17:42,450 --> 01:17:47,410 standing on the, the shoulders of giants that came before, just doing everything 1327 01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:53,330 with the utmost respect and the utmost skill. 1328 01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:57,250 Like everyone involved brought their a game, 1329 01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,450 even Wong who's only in one, 1330 01:18:00,420 --> 01:18:05,160 one scene is great. And the fight like the NNC, the, 1331 01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:09,680 the most MCU moment is the spy versus stranger things fight. 1332 01:18:10,090 --> 01:18:14,320 Um, Dr. Strange fight and like, even that is done really well. 1333 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,960 And we get to see the, for the second time in the MCU, 1334 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:18,840 we get to see the fucking mirror dimension. 1335 01:18:19,390 --> 01:18:23,200 I will always mark out hard for the mirror dimension. 1336 01:18:23,230 --> 01:18:25,880 I think the mirror dimension is cool as hell. 1337 01:18:26,110 --> 01:18:30,040 I thought that was gonna be a way bigger thing that it was, you know, 1338 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:34,160 but it's only used in fights with street level heroes. 1339 01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,520 yeah. Turns out really expensive apparently. 1340 01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:41,600 Okay. I mean, it looks great. It. 1341 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:42,600 Looks phenomenal. 1342 01:18:43,070 --> 01:18:44,520 I think we should maybe do a, 1343 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:49,320 a little deep dive in these after credit sequences. First of all, Tom Hardy, 1344 01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:50,200 who, who cares. 1345 01:18:51,190 --> 01:18:54,760 Okay. So, okay. I wanna do I do what I do. I do want to talk about this. 1346 01:18:54,990 --> 01:18:59,560 When you, when you saw it in theaters, did you stay for the, all of the credits? 1347 01:18:59,910 --> 01:19:02,000 Yeah. I mean, it's a Marvel movie I have to. 1348 01:19:02,150 --> 01:19:04,920 Okay. Do you remember what they did? The move they pulled? 1349 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:10,270 Uh, you mean specifically at the theater? Yeah. 1350 01:19:10,270 --> 01:19:10,980 At the theater. 1351 01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:12,230 Yeah. They pulled lights. 1352 01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,250 Pulled lights. 1353 01:19:15,550 --> 01:19:19,010 The lights came up for us before the after credit scene. 1354 01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:23,090 Oh, that sucks. I'm sorry. Um, so yeah, there's the Tom Hardy one, 1355 01:19:23,090 --> 01:19:26,010 which is the mid credit scene, but then at the very end, 1356 01:19:26,010 --> 01:19:30,410 they just played a trailer for Dr. Strange in the multiverse madness. 1357 01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,850 Listen, they're like, we gotta pay respects to Sam Ramee. We gotta, 1358 01:19:34,900 --> 01:19:37,010 we gotta give the Ram dog something. 1359 01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:38,730 I guess I was pissed off. 1360 01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,650 Yeah. It, I don't think you should end something with it. 1361 01:19:42,650 --> 01:19:47,210 I feel like NM C movie has done that once before, but I can't totally remember. 1362 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,210 Okay. Uh, 1363 01:19:48,210 --> 01:19:52,930 most of madness was 40 minutes of a great Sam Ramee movie and then the rest 1364 01:19:52,930 --> 01:19:56,890 like pretty, pretty heavyweight MCU stuff. But I liked it. 1365 01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,410 I really, I, I, I really enjoyed that movie. You know what the. 1366 01:20:00,410 --> 01:20:01,410 Uh, the ending was great. 1367 01:20:01,470 --> 01:20:03,610 You know, what, the more fun version did, 1368 01:20:03,610 --> 01:20:06,650 which I thought was a really great move that should have been in the original 1369 01:20:06,650 --> 01:20:07,800 version. Mm-hmm. 1370 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:08,260 . 1371 01:20:08,260 --> 01:20:10,120 The final after credit scene, 1372 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:14,520 after all the credits role is a final sendoff by, uh, Betty, 1373 01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:18,280 I forget her name, but the student reporter, whose news reports, 1374 01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:19,920 you've watched throughout these, 1375 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:24,040 this whole trilogy doing a recap of their final, uh, uh, 1376 01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,880 of like we've done it. You know, congratulations. We're all graduating. 1377 01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,240 Let's take a look back on our, our years. 1378 01:20:30,460 --> 01:20:33,800 And it's a series of photos with Peter Parker, 1379 01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:38,480 either off to the side or something is in front of his face. 1380 01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:39,840 Like genius. Very funny. 1381 01:20:39,970 --> 01:20:41,520 So you wouldn't remember him. 1382 01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:46,760 And I think that just puts the end cap cuz it makes it real that's 1383 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:47,960 that's another thing these, 1384 01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:52,800 this home trilogy has done for the NCU is it may, 1385 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:57,080 it makes a lot of this cosmic shit real like the second 1386 01:20:57,820 --> 01:20:59,000 one, um, 1387 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:03,080 bar from home where they have to deal with the implications of people returning 1388 01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:07,200 after the blip. And now on this final, 1389 01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:10,040 this final scene, the final scene of this trilogy, 1390 01:21:10,570 --> 01:21:15,280 dealing with the realities of an erased Peter Parker. Like that's, 1391 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:20,200 what's good about it gives us the everyday shit that we need to make the, 1392 01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:21,800 the cosmic shit make sense. 1393 01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:26,440 I mean, that's why street level heroes are so important. Yeah. Uh, you, 1394 01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:29,800 you have to see what this would actually look like to a human being, 1395 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,800 which you know, doctor strange is great and all, 1396 01:21:33,860 --> 01:21:38,320 but this is the only movie that made the doctor strange stuff feel like actually 1397 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:42,840 impactful. Yeah. And not like largely theoretical or contrived. 1398 01:21:43,150 --> 01:21:45,240 I mean, yeah. I mean, it's the same thing with Eternals. 1399 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,760 Like there's the body of a fucking God and the Indian ocean. 1400 01:21:49,060 --> 01:21:51,520 And no one has talked about it yet. I mean, 1401 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,280 shouldn't that be on a news report somewhere? 1402 01:21:54,990 --> 01:21:56,960 Yeah. I mean, the Eternals is just like, 1403 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,480 if you're dealing with something that's like so old and so powerful, 1404 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:03,000 it just kind of becomes whatever. Yeah. Like it, 1405 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,200 it's not E it's not easy to properly conceptualize that, 1406 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:12,080 but a kid doing a flip and shooting a web injected 1407 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:13,400 directly into my veins. 1408 01:22:13,550 --> 01:22:15,520 Hell yeah. Spider-Man forever. 1409 01:22:16,350 --> 01:22:21,200 I do hope we get more spy stuff. I have no idea. I have not looked in. I, 1410 01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:25,600 I, a part of me has hated the fact that I know so much about like the Marvel and 1411 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:26,560 the Sony deals. 1412 01:22:27,450 --> 01:22:31,440 So I've stopped looking into insider information and I've, 1413 01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:35,520 I'm just waiting for the trailers to drop so I can ignore them until I see the 1414 01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:36,353 movie. 1415 01:22:36,420 --> 01:22:41,040 I'm just really excited for this, uh, this new Spider-Man movie. 1416 01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,920 They've been teasing, you know, Andrew Tate. 1417 01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:46,800 Spider-Man uh, 1418 01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,960 apparently that's a weird misogynistic MMA fighter. 1419 01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:50,780 I, 1420 01:22:50,780 --> 01:22:54,440 the only thing I know about him is apparently he's been banned from every social 1421 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:56,600 platform and existence. 1422 01:22:56,990 --> 01:22:59,520 Good. All British people should be . 1423 01:23:00,530 --> 01:23:02,920 Is wait. So is Andrew Tate? British is, 1424 01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,320 is the joke that they're two British Andrews. What's happening? 1425 01:23:06,510 --> 01:23:08,480 Wait, does Andrew Garfield also British. 1426 01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:10,520 Andrew Garfield's British as fuck. 1427 01:23:10,820 --> 01:23:12,040 Tom Holland. British. 1428 01:23:12,260 --> 01:23:16,240 All Spidermans are British Tobin. McGuire has been hire hiding it for years. 1429 01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,440 yeah, he's doing a really good job. 1430 01:23:18,670 --> 01:23:22,240 Yeah. To, to Toby. Not Toby. Andrew Garfield is British. I don't, 1431 01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,400 I don't know if you didn't know that. 1432 01:23:23,630 --> 01:23:27,920 I had, I truly had no idea that one. That one does surprise me. Oh. 1433 01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:28,753 He is British. 1434 01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:32,280 Wow. I mean, Tom Holland looks a little British. 1435 01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:34,440 Yeah. It's in his ears. 1436 01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:38,640 I mean, he looks like someone who'd be like, oh me, we suit 1437 01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:41,333 you know? 1438 01:23:42,250 --> 01:23:43,720 Oh me, we suit. 1439 01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:46,280 But Andrew Garfield looks like, he'd be like, ah, pizza. 1440 01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:51,440 Well, he had to learn a Brooklyn accent or I guess a queen accent. 1441 01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:55,360 Yeah. But he has the look of like, he would say pizza, you know. 1442 01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,450 I guess British people don't say pizza anymore. 1443 01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:02,250 Then Toby McGuire looks like, he'd be likeer hello? 1444 01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:06,090 Uh, Toby McGuire looks like he goes Gatsby. 1445 01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:07,523 . 1446 01:24:07,710 --> 01:24:09,170 You can't live in the past. 1447 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,290 You're not wrong. You are not wrong. Uh. 1448 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:18,860 I have more thoughts, but they can't, 1449 01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:22,700 they're not at articulating. I, I think honestly at this point, 1450 01:24:27,970 --> 01:24:28,803 nothing. 1451 01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:30,370 I, 1452 01:24:30,370 --> 01:24:34,890 I think at this point we might have to call it and then everyone forgets about 1453 01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:35,723 us. 1454 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,650 This is it. Yeah. So I, I said, 1455 01:24:38,650 --> 01:24:40,970 if we didn't nail this episode to a wizard, 1456 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:45,720 please make everyone forget about zero credits. And he's folks, 1457 01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,240 this is the big surprise. 1458 01:24:47,660 --> 01:24:51,400 The wizard's been standing behind us and he's just shaking his head. No. 1459 01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:56,970 Yeah. He he's very disapproving. We were gonna nail this episode to a wizard. 1460 01:24:57,630 --> 01:25:02,610 But since we didn't, since we weren't able to nail the episode to him, 1461 01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:07,690 he is going to send us not back in time. We're staying here, 1462 01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:10,370 but everyone's going to forget about. 1463 01:25:10,370 --> 01:25:13,530 Us. Yeah. You're gonna remember zero credits is a weird loophole. 1464 01:25:13,530 --> 01:25:17,810 You're gonna remember zero credits, but you won't remember Henry or John. 1465 01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:22,570 Yeah. And for some reason your memories will change to it being a good podcast. 1466 01:25:24,740 --> 01:25:25,573 So we won. 1467 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,850 Yeah. We finally had a good podcast. Everyone's like, man, 1468 01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:33,170 I feel like there was this really good podcast called zero credits. 1469 01:25:33,170 --> 01:25:37,330 I can't remember anything about, but don't you worry, dear listeners, 1470 01:25:37,330 --> 01:25:40,850 cuz I'm gonna walk into your donut slash coffee shops. 1471 01:25:41,230 --> 01:25:45,730 And I'm gonna say you don't remember me, but my name's John last name, redacted. 1472 01:25:46,350 --> 01:25:47,970 And I am from a podcast, 1473 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:52,130 zero credits and I defeated the lizard and you love me. 1474 01:25:52,530 --> 01:25:57,450 I . My name is Peter Parker. 1475 01:25:57,670 --> 01:26:00,050 You, you don't remember, but I'm Spiderman. 1476 01:26:00,050 --> 01:26:02,410 I defeated the lizard and you love me. 1477 01:26:02,810 --> 01:26:06,880 that's really all he needs to. He didn't even do that. 1478 01:26:07,330 --> 01:26:10,800 Uh, so one, one last detail that I think was really good. 1479 01:26:12,050 --> 01:26:16,840 Uh, he tracks down the lady on the highway gives that speech and she goes, 1480 01:26:16,890 --> 01:26:21,110 he didn't rehearse that. Did you? Peter? And he goes, no. What is he doing? 1481 01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:22,790 When he walks up to the coffee shop at. 1482 01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:24,110 The end's rehearsing, the speech. 1483 01:26:24,180 --> 01:26:25,510 He's rehearsing the speech. 1484 01:26:26,010 --> 01:26:27,430 Wow, this movie's perfect. 1485 01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:31,710 It's a, it's a it's boom mic drop. Uh, 1486 01:26:32,010 --> 01:26:34,550 and then web webs foot flat. 1487 01:26:34,860 --> 01:26:39,670 What's the what's flip web flip to uh, grab the mic back up. 1488 01:26:40,780 --> 01:26:42,990 It's a real flip flip boom. 1489 01:26:44,860 --> 01:26:48,230 Andrew Garfield. Defeater of the lizard. 1490 01:26:51,380 --> 01:26:54,590 Andrew Garfield come onto the podcast. We'll talk about your time. 1491 01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:56,870 Defeating the lizard. Uh, we hope you. 1492 01:26:57,340 --> 01:27:00,270 Please don't hold against me. What I said about British people. 1493 01:27:00,340 --> 01:27:02,990 I didn't realize that you were British. 1494 01:27:03,860 --> 01:27:07,030 I just want to confirm for my own sake. Andrew Garfield, 1495 01:27:08,220 --> 01:27:12,620 middle name, Mormon show. 1496 01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:20,660 Oh, you were confused. He's not British he's Mormon show. 1497 01:27:23,070 --> 01:27:23,903 Oh, 1498 01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:28,160 this is confusing. 1499 01:27:29,660 --> 01:27:30,830 Andrew Garfield. 1500 01:27:30,940 --> 01:27:34,350 Andrew Russell Russell Garfield was born in Los Angeles, 1501 01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:38,230 California to a British mother and American father. 1502 01:27:38,620 --> 01:27:42,950 When he was three, he moved to the UK with his parents and older brother. 1503 01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,110 He is of English and Polish Jewish heritage. This dude's a dual citizen. 1504 01:27:48,340 --> 01:27:51,430 Yeah. I mean, if you're three and you move to Surry, 1505 01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:53,630 you're probably gonna sound pretty British. 1506 01:27:53,810 --> 01:27:56,350 And basically probably yeah. He's British. He's British. 1507 01:27:56,350 --> 01:27:57,750 Yeah. He's British. He's. 1508 01:27:57,750 --> 01:28:00,550 British. He's British. All right. We'll talk about your Britishness, Mr. 1509 01:28:00,550 --> 01:28:04,470 Garfield. Come on. We'll talk. It's won't be a Monday. We'll talk about lasagna. 1510 01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:07,110 Hey, he served those a thousand times before. 1511 01:28:07,650 --> 01:28:10,950 I'm sure he has. And we'll talk about Andrew Cuomo. 1512 01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,180 The New York mayor. 1513 01:28:16,290 --> 01:28:18,100 Yeah. Cuz his first name's Andrew. 1514 01:28:18,730 --> 01:28:21,060 Stop linking all the Andrews together. 1515 01:28:21,420 --> 01:28:23,820 no Andrew. No way home. 1516 01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:29,180 Everyone who's ever been an Andrew is coming through the, the, the SORs, 1517 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,180 the ruins of Carnac or whatever it was called. 1518 01:28:32,590 --> 01:28:37,260 We got Cuomo. We got Tate. We got Garfield. We got the hurricane . 1519 01:28:37,660 --> 01:28:39,660 Those are all the Andrews. 1520 01:28:40,570 --> 01:28:41,403 This, 1521 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:46,700 the camera pants over to hurricane force wins. And it's like, 1522 01:28:46,700 --> 01:28:51,140 all right, calm down, hurricane Andrew. We got, we got, we got stuff to do. 1523 01:28:52,220 --> 01:28:54,100 you're Andrew for. 1524 01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:59,570 . Oh my God. All right. Um, 1525 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,570 I really enjoy this movie. Uh, 1526 01:29:04,570 --> 01:29:08,730 we usually do a rating system at the end of supplement or readings that ranges 1527 01:29:08,730 --> 01:29:11,290 from a weird scale. I can't remember, 1528 01:29:11,290 --> 01:29:14,090 but there's also an inverse to that scale that we never use, 1529 01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,250 except for in the case of hurricane heist, I believe. 1530 01:29:18,650 --> 01:29:22,500 Yeah. Like it love it. Gotta have it dislike it, 1531 01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:25,860 LOA. It gotta have less of it. 1532 01:29:25,890 --> 01:29:27,500 It's it's gotta have more of it. 1533 01:29:28,610 --> 01:29:30,740 Like it love it. Gotta have more of it. 1534 01:29:30,850 --> 01:29:33,740 Yeah. So in this case, uh, 1535 01:29:34,030 --> 01:29:38,060 my GU I'm gonna say gotta have more of it, but what I mean is I, I, 1536 01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:43,020 my message to people who make movies, this is how you do fan service, 1537 01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,580 tie it directly to characters, make everything matter. 1538 01:29:46,580 --> 01:29:48,980 John had a really good point. When you write a character, 1539 01:29:48,980 --> 01:29:50,380 you owe that character something, 1540 01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:56,220 you can't put anyone in a movie without giving them something to do or 1541 01:29:56,220 --> 01:29:59,860 a motivation or, or just a complete story arc. 1542 01:30:00,150 --> 01:30:04,700 So that's what I gotta ahead. More of, not necessarily more of this movie, 1543 01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:05,780 but more of the, 1544 01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:10,620 the skill and the talent and the time and the passion that went into making this 1545 01:30:10,620 --> 01:30:13,540 movie translated into other movies. 1546 01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:17,900 So that all movies eventually one day are just as good as this one. 1547 01:30:18,810 --> 01:30:22,660 I mean, I, I agree. I gotta have more of it. I mean, 1548 01:30:22,660 --> 01:30:25,540 I'd love to see more Spider-Man but we're really what I wanna, 1549 01:30:25,810 --> 01:30:30,660 what I gotta have more of is movies that are superhero 1550 01:30:30,660 --> 01:30:34,540 movies that aren't like thankless gr to consume, 1551 01:30:35,460 --> 01:30:39,460 which slowly a lot of these things are starting to feel like this thing really 1552 01:30:39,460 --> 01:30:43,390 had heart. I loved it. Give me more of that. 1553 01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,070 If you're gonna, if you're gonna comment on things, 1554 01:30:47,070 --> 01:30:52,070 comment on them with your whole heart and make sure they go somewhere and don't 1555 01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:56,710 just make things for the sake of making references to other stuff. 1556 01:30:57,460 --> 01:30:58,293 Yeah. 1557 01:30:59,350 --> 01:31:02,750 Don't interpret this movie as fan service, 1558 01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:07,590 cuz really that's kind of reductive 1559 01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:12,630 because what this is is it's not fan service, it's character service, 1560 01:31:13,650 --> 01:31:18,270 the service they gave these characters, the new endings that the wrapping up of, 1561 01:31:18,270 --> 01:31:22,550 of issues that the fact that a movie only exists in the run time. 1562 01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:25,350 It exists with maybe implications going forward. 1563 01:31:25,570 --> 01:31:30,230 But this is literally giving movie characters a second chance to grow and change 1564 01:31:30,230 --> 01:31:33,190 and become better people. That's phenomenal. 1565 01:31:33,190 --> 01:31:35,350 And I would love to see more of that. 1566 01:31:36,140 --> 01:31:39,990 I also gotta have more Marisa tome. Don't let this be. 1567 01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:43,270 The last time Hollywood pays attention to Marissa tome. 1568 01:31:44,090 --> 01:31:45,550 She deserves more. 1569 01:31:46,490 --> 01:31:50,990 Yes. Or else they'll be held to may. 1570 01:31:52,490 --> 01:31:53,570 Jesus Christ. 1571 01:31:56,050 --> 01:31:59,520 And with that, I think it's time to wrap up the episode. 1572 01:32:00,750 --> 01:32:04,360 I don't even see, I don't even see your Jesus Christ on the wave form. 1573 01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:09,160 I think it was literally sub audible. Uh, but if you want us to hear you, 1574 01:32:09,380 --> 01:32:13,640 all you gotta do is reach out in our social media and hear it goes. 1575 01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:18,000 If you wanna send us a tweet on twitter.com, please send us a tweet to 1576 01:32:19,580 --> 01:32:24,440 CPC with that's right. They knows what that stands for. 1577 01:32:26,270 --> 01:32:29,400 That's right. And if you wanna send us an email, 1578 01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:33,880 just send us an email to E email@zerocredits.net. Uh, 1579 01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:38,520 one of us will be there to respond even though if you can't remember our 1580 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,720 names, that's fine. Uh, 1581 01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,920 we'll also be on any podcast service. 1582 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:48,160 You can find our podcast on, uh, just to name a few good pods, 1583 01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:52,680 pod chaser podcast, addicts, Spotify, just a few, 1584 01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:54,160 wherever you listen to us, 1585 01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:58,960 please leave a rating and review on that service to help more people 1586 01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,520 find their way home, even though there's no way home. 1587 01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:08,770 But the most important thing you can do is, 1588 01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:11,850 uh, to just face the problems in your life, 1589 01:33:11,850 --> 01:33:16,450 head on and reach out to the people in your life to tell them to listen to our 1590 01:33:16,450 --> 01:33:20,210 podcast. That's right. Where do the mouth is? The only way we can survive. 1591 01:33:20,210 --> 01:33:23,370 So please tell your therapist, tell your friends, 1592 01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:28,490 tell people who you seek advice from, like mentors or gurus or guides. 1593 01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,930 Zero credits. That's the place where they review Spiderman. No way home. 1594 01:33:33,450 --> 01:33:34,970 Eight months later, 1595 01:33:36,030 --> 01:33:38,940 we wait until September for no reason. 1596 01:33:38,940 --> 01:33:43,220 Other than we were busy at the time. That's right. 1597 01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:46,900 We got stuff going on and we got stuff on the way. 1598 01:33:47,690 --> 01:33:52,220 It's all coming to a head here on zero credits. 1599 01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:57,980 So from everyone here at the studios, 1600 01:33:58,270 --> 01:34:01,460 we would like to wish you, uh, happy week. 1601 01:34:03,260 --> 01:34:05,530 Uh, uh, goodbye, I guess. 1602 01:34:05,940 --> 01:34:07,010 Goodbye. Forever. 1603 01:34:09,010 --> 01:34:09,820 Question mark. 1604 01:34:09,820 --> 01:34:10,890 No way home. 1605 01:34:13,100 --> 01:34:14,920 But they got home eventually. 1606 01:34:15,210 --> 01:34:17,760 No way. Oh, 1607 01:34:18,330 --> 01:34:20,480 no way home. 1608 01:34:23,130 --> 01:34:23,480 No.