1 00:00:00,278 --> 00:00:01,313 Welcome to Mentored. 2 00:00:02,188 --> 00:00:04,337 This is Carson, and if you're just tuning 3 00:00:04,337 --> 00:00:07,282 in, may I encourage you first to listen 4 00:00:07,282 --> 00:00:10,272 to in memory of Martin on your podcast 5 00:00:10,331 --> 00:00:10,731 listing. 6 00:00:11,690 --> 00:00:13,847 In this episode, you will be hearing the 7 00:00:13,847 --> 00:00:15,865 voice of my friend and c host 8 00:00:16,258 --> 00:00:20,640 even though he died unexpectedly on 01/08/2024. 9 00:00:21,675 --> 00:00:24,224 Martin and I had pre recorded an entire 10 00:00:24,224 --> 00:00:27,772 year of episodes So the advertisements and announcements 11 00:00:27,832 --> 00:00:30,789 you will hear regarding Martin are now not 12 00:00:30,789 --> 00:00:31,188 applicable. 13 00:00:31,748 --> 00:00:34,600 But we rejoice at having captured his voice 14 00:00:34,879 --> 00:00:35,835 and his wisdom. 15 00:00:36,473 --> 00:00:39,742 Now as Martin would desire, let's start the 16 00:00:39,742 --> 00:00:40,221 music. 17 00:00:48,282 --> 00:00:50,989 Who doesn't love that means? Oh, I know. 18 00:00:55,777 --> 00:00:56,811 Welcome to mentored, 19 00:00:57,607 --> 00:00:58,854 join 2 professional. 20 00:00:59,530 --> 00:01:02,468 Carson Pug and Martin Sanders as they provide 21 00:01:02,468 --> 00:01:04,692 straight talk and wisdom to fellow leaders. 22 00:01:05,407 --> 00:01:06,837 Their approach is no nonsense, 23 00:01:07,250 --> 00:01:09,729 practical and focused on helping you become a 24 00:01:09,729 --> 00:01:12,129 better leader in all aspects of your life. 25 00:01:13,009 --> 00:01:16,213 Together, we'll gain valuable insights and actionable advice 26 00:01:16,213 --> 00:01:17,268 from these season. 27 00:01:18,432 --> 00:01:20,334 So now, here's our episode. 28 00:01:26,147 --> 00:01:28,135 And when we come into this episode, I... 29 00:01:28,294 --> 00:01:30,680 It's a real encouragement to me when you 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:31,793 don't drink water. 31 00:01:34,035 --> 00:01:36,501 Well, I'm talking. I shall never. Yeah. 32 00:01:37,853 --> 00:01:40,568 Hey, that was my subtle segue into the 33 00:01:40,568 --> 00:01:42,945 fact that we're gonna talk about encouragement today. 34 00:01:43,341 --> 00:01:43,841 And 35 00:01:44,213 --> 00:01:46,352 just the importance of it the power of 36 00:01:46,352 --> 00:01:46,511 it. 37 00:01:48,765 --> 00:01:50,465 What do we know about 38 00:01:51,325 --> 00:01:51,825 encouragement? 39 00:01:52,125 --> 00:01:53,724 What where does the word come from? 40 00:01:55,093 --> 00:01:56,446 If you look at it, just at face 41 00:01:56,446 --> 00:01:59,150 value, it's got courage in it. Mh. But 42 00:01:59,150 --> 00:02:00,423 if you just do a little bit of 43 00:02:00,423 --> 00:02:00,923 searching 44 00:02:01,395 --> 00:02:03,555 original language stuff in various places. I mean, 45 00:02:03,954 --> 00:02:05,174 it's got it's rude 46 00:02:05,475 --> 00:02:06,275 in French. 47 00:02:06,674 --> 00:02:10,069 Mh. The actual word is to make strong 48 00:02:10,127 --> 00:02:11,084 or to heart. 49 00:02:11,563 --> 00:02:14,275 Mh The heart thing is what gets picked 50 00:02:14,275 --> 00:02:16,769 up cross culturally and in multiple languages 51 00:02:17,306 --> 00:02:19,354 globally, that aspect of 52 00:02:19,793 --> 00:02:20,293 strengthening 53 00:02:20,990 --> 00:02:21,490 once 54 00:02:21,867 --> 00:02:26,355 heart. Yeah. Core. French heart. Mh. So en 55 00:02:26,653 --> 00:02:27,153 courage 56 00:02:27,530 --> 00:02:28,030 is 57 00:02:28,567 --> 00:02:29,125 into the heart. 58 00:02:29,778 --> 00:02:32,890 To strengthen the heart. Well, all of us 59 00:02:32,890 --> 00:02:34,826 need that. All of us need 60 00:02:35,283 --> 00:02:36,421 someone to 61 00:02:36,814 --> 00:02:39,792 speak into our lives and to bring encouragement 62 00:02:39,851 --> 00:02:42,669 to us. When you've lost perspective, 63 00:02:43,607 --> 00:02:45,146 when you're not trusting 64 00:02:45,765 --> 00:02:46,005 anymore, 65 00:02:46,738 --> 00:02:49,049 It's that moment when somebody can bring a 66 00:02:49,049 --> 00:02:51,280 word to you that will just help to 67 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,404 bring that. Bring perspective, build trust again. And 68 00:02:54,404 --> 00:02:56,340 since we're talking about 69 00:02:56,798 --> 00:02:57,037 mentored, 70 00:02:57,755 --> 00:02:59,431 I was a young leader in my twenties, 71 00:03:00,229 --> 00:03:01,686 guy probably 50 72 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:03,217 good evangelist 73 00:03:03,595 --> 00:03:05,191 and larger church, 74 00:03:05,749 --> 00:03:07,265 and I said to him. I don't think 75 00:03:07,345 --> 00:03:09,180 I'm cut out to be a senior leader. 76 00:03:09,514 --> 00:03:10,943 Mean, I only been at it 2 years. 77 00:03:11,182 --> 00:03:13,961 Mh just way harder than I anticipated trying 78 00:03:13,961 --> 00:03:15,709 to turn an organization around. 79 00:03:16,503 --> 00:03:17,297 And he said, 80 00:03:18,187 --> 00:03:19,542 Martin, and I'm not even gonna listen to 81 00:03:19,542 --> 00:03:21,136 this. I'm not gonna bring you on my 82 00:03:21,136 --> 00:03:21,375 team. 83 00:03:22,411 --> 00:03:23,527 You've got what it takes. 84 00:03:24,165 --> 00:03:25,854 It's just harder than you into paid it. 85 00:03:26,014 --> 00:03:28,254 Mh. If in 3 more years, you still 86 00:03:28,254 --> 00:03:30,334 feel like this we'll have another conversation but 87 00:03:30,334 --> 00:03:30,655 he goes, 88 00:03:31,294 --> 00:03:33,294 you have what it takes. Right. To lead. 89 00:03:33,694 --> 00:03:34,094 Now lead. 90 00:03:35,069 --> 00:03:37,881 When I was a young man, I would 91 00:03:37,939 --> 00:03:40,490 occasionally be given the opportunity to preach at 92 00:03:40,490 --> 00:03:41,048 our church. 93 00:03:41,845 --> 00:03:43,462 And I had an uncle 94 00:03:43,773 --> 00:03:46,551 who is a larger than life person, Uncle 95 00:03:46,789 --> 00:03:49,805 Charlie, and our family is filled with stories 96 00:03:49,805 --> 00:03:50,678 about Uncle Charlie. 97 00:03:51,328 --> 00:03:54,034 But after I had spoken at the church 98 00:03:54,034 --> 00:03:55,307 for the very first time, 99 00:03:55,864 --> 00:03:58,251 he came up to the front afterwards, and 100 00:03:58,251 --> 00:04:00,024 he took my shoulders. 101 00:04:00,734 --> 00:04:02,013 And he helped me and he looked me 102 00:04:02,013 --> 00:04:04,011 in the eye and he said, you are 103 00:04:04,011 --> 00:04:05,849 a very good speaker. 104 00:04:07,208 --> 00:04:10,737 And that coming from my uncle Charlie have 105 00:04:10,737 --> 00:04:12,034 a whole different 106 00:04:12,411 --> 00:04:12,911 weight 107 00:04:13,287 --> 00:04:16,236 to it that I received that as just 108 00:04:16,236 --> 00:04:17,852 such a great 109 00:04:18,642 --> 00:04:21,376 encouragement in my life. And there's seldom 110 00:04:22,232 --> 00:04:24,784 when I'm going through a year, and I 111 00:04:24,944 --> 00:04:26,858 I get the opportunity to speak in lots 112 00:04:26,858 --> 00:04:27,949 of places now 113 00:04:28,546 --> 00:04:31,170 I'm grateful for that word of encouragement when 114 00:04:31,249 --> 00:04:33,316 I was 15 or 16 years old. 115 00:04:34,032 --> 00:04:37,066 I wanna clarify cushion because This is different 116 00:04:37,066 --> 00:04:40,637 than affirmation. Yeah. The encouragement is actually the 117 00:04:40,637 --> 00:04:43,017 language of the heart, and that's not just 118 00:04:43,017 --> 00:04:46,213 the softer thing. It's... It's at it's root 119 00:04:46,213 --> 00:04:48,600 form. Mh. If we can put with this, 120 00:04:49,316 --> 00:04:51,404 you Google it and says, what's the word 121 00:04:51,404 --> 00:04:53,564 that the bible would use for this? It's 122 00:04:53,564 --> 00:04:55,345 the identical word 123 00:04:55,964 --> 00:04:57,004 to the holy spirit. 124 00:04:57,644 --> 00:05:02,207 Para para. Yeah. Someone who comes alongside who 125 00:05:02,207 --> 00:05:02,707 strengthens. 126 00:05:03,084 --> 00:05:05,633 Mh. And it's the strength and. It's so 127 00:05:05,633 --> 00:05:08,181 hard. It is. Yes. It's the encourage. Absolutely. 128 00:05:08,914 --> 00:05:09,812 Yeah. In 129 00:05:10,190 --> 00:05:12,902 scripture, the comfort air. It talks about the 130 00:05:12,902 --> 00:05:14,656 comfort which has the same route to what 131 00:05:14,656 --> 00:05:16,491 we're talking about. But let me go back. 132 00:05:16,730 --> 00:05:18,325 I'm thinking about uncle Charlie right now. 133 00:05:18,979 --> 00:05:21,379 Like, why was uncle Charlie word to me, 134 00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:23,319 so much more meaningful 135 00:05:24,419 --> 00:05:26,519 than if missus Brown 136 00:05:27,233 --> 00:05:30,024 had come up who encourages everybody every day. 137 00:05:31,140 --> 00:05:32,198 We receive 138 00:05:32,575 --> 00:05:35,046 encouragement different from different people. 139 00:05:35,699 --> 00:05:37,133 What what is that? Absolutely. 140 00:05:38,249 --> 00:05:40,640 Words matter differently from different people. 141 00:05:41,277 --> 00:05:42,791 Their words carry more weight. 142 00:05:43,524 --> 00:05:45,677 So if it's somebody that you regard, 143 00:05:46,555 --> 00:05:49,506 somebody that you have trusted. It just means 144 00:05:49,506 --> 00:05:51,340 more. We know that with all of the 145 00:05:51,340 --> 00:05:53,015 words of the heart, if it's love, 146 00:05:53,829 --> 00:05:55,666 You don't need everybody to love you. You 147 00:05:55,666 --> 00:05:58,303 just need a few of the most significant 148 00:05:58,303 --> 00:06:00,640 people for you To love you and 149 00:06:00,954 --> 00:06:03,335 and let you know that. Encouragement the same 150 00:06:03,335 --> 00:06:05,717 thing. 2 people can say the same words. 151 00:06:06,114 --> 00:06:07,090 It just means 152 00:06:07,622 --> 00:06:08,416 completely different. 153 00:06:09,069 --> 00:06:12,203 Amount and hits a different level of actually 154 00:06:12,342 --> 00:06:14,917 penetrating heart and giving you strength courage. 155 00:06:15,615 --> 00:06:17,951 I'm thinking right now about 3 people 156 00:06:18,424 --> 00:06:21,218 in my life who every time they see 157 00:06:21,218 --> 00:06:21,378 me, 158 00:06:22,096 --> 00:06:23,395 they lead off 159 00:06:23,773 --> 00:06:26,247 with a word of encouragement. But when I 160 00:06:26,247 --> 00:06:27,579 when I don't even like 161 00:06:28,019 --> 00:06:29,539 I don't even like that I said word 162 00:06:29,539 --> 00:06:33,060 of encouragement because, I feel like they've just 163 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:35,159 come out of some sort of a master 164 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:35,800 class 165 00:06:36,194 --> 00:06:37,731 on how to have a 166 00:06:38,109 --> 00:06:40,583 conversation or how to sell me something. I 167 00:06:40,583 --> 00:06:42,281 feel like I'm being sold something 168 00:06:42,898 --> 00:06:44,825 because they come up and they go Carson, 169 00:06:44,984 --> 00:06:46,571 you look like you've lost a lot of 170 00:06:46,571 --> 00:06:49,348 weight or or you're really looking good today, 171 00:06:49,586 --> 00:06:52,283 and I've... So it's the lead off thing. 172 00:06:53,252 --> 00:06:55,321 Then I have antenna now that just go... 173 00:06:56,037 --> 00:06:56,276 Yeah. 174 00:06:56,913 --> 00:06:59,460 I'm not receiving that. And without being either 175 00:06:59,460 --> 00:07:02,418 critical or cynical. No. Could we be critical 176 00:07:02,418 --> 00:07:04,248 in cynical just for a little bit. Just 177 00:07:04,248 --> 00:07:06,316 let it linger a little longer. The key 178 00:07:06,316 --> 00:07:07,191 it's not believable. 179 00:07:07,763 --> 00:07:10,386 Feels like... That's that's the word. It feels 180 00:07:10,386 --> 00:07:11,817 like it's learned to behavior, 181 00:07:12,691 --> 00:07:14,781 putting it on. I don't wanna do 182 00:07:15,553 --> 00:07:16,666 analysis of them. 183 00:07:17,476 --> 00:07:19,305 But I actually say talk to me, like, 184 00:07:19,623 --> 00:07:20,736 both of us are real people. 185 00:07:22,326 --> 00:07:22,485 Yeah. 186 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,563 Unbelievable. That is the word for me because 187 00:07:27,033 --> 00:07:29,660 when I hear it, it has no g 188 00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:32,606 sauce to lingering with me in any way, 189 00:07:32,845 --> 00:07:34,836 like, true encouragement does. 190 00:07:35,567 --> 00:07:37,076 So with Uncle Charlie, 191 00:07:37,632 --> 00:07:40,413 I received that. It had a g toss, 192 00:07:40,652 --> 00:07:43,671 like, 50 years later, I'm still thinking about 193 00:07:43,671 --> 00:07:45,045 it. And it was authentic. 194 00:07:45,525 --> 00:07:48,985 Really his words carried way. Yep. It mattered 195 00:07:49,045 --> 00:07:49,444 to you. 196 00:07:50,404 --> 00:07:51,464 In in all likelihood, 197 00:07:51,764 --> 00:07:55,056 he spoke with absolute authenticity. Yeah. 198 00:07:55,695 --> 00:07:57,852 And he was in my life. Like, he 199 00:07:57,852 --> 00:07:59,790 he was maybe the first 200 00:08:00,264 --> 00:08:00,764 outward 201 00:08:01,224 --> 00:08:04,844 beer drinking cigar smoking baptist that I meant 202 00:08:05,064 --> 00:08:07,384 He was authentic. He was just like Uncle 203 00:08:07,544 --> 00:08:10,185 Charlie. And hence all the stories about them 204 00:08:10,185 --> 00:08:12,410 that that circulate in our family. 205 00:08:13,443 --> 00:08:14,953 So as mentors, 206 00:08:15,764 --> 00:08:17,383 the purpose is to 207 00:08:17,922 --> 00:08:18,422 uplift 208 00:08:18,881 --> 00:08:19,621 and motivate 209 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,238 the leaders or the men that we're working 210 00:08:22,238 --> 00:08:25,135 with. So encouragement is really 211 00:08:25,689 --> 00:08:27,149 part of what a good 212 00:08:27,449 --> 00:08:28,170 mentor does, 213 00:08:28,810 --> 00:08:30,970 and we're there to lift people up, not 214 00:08:30,970 --> 00:08:31,769 to put them down. 215 00:08:32,903 --> 00:08:35,153 Again, because as a mentor 216 00:08:35,608 --> 00:08:35,927 ages, 217 00:08:36,643 --> 00:08:38,257 1 of the things we just know 218 00:08:38,871 --> 00:08:41,418 is when you hit the next level of 219 00:08:41,418 --> 00:08:41,918 age 220 00:08:42,629 --> 00:08:44,149 development, stage of life. 221 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:47,669 It's obvious to people around you that your 222 00:08:47,669 --> 00:08:51,591 words carry more weight. Mh. Yep. And so 223 00:08:51,591 --> 00:08:54,295 to always be joking about things, especially at 224 00:08:54,295 --> 00:08:57,157 someone else's expense, just not appropriate. Yeah. 225 00:08:57,808 --> 00:08:59,817 But to be able to speak those things 226 00:08:59,953 --> 00:09:00,429 directly, 227 00:09:01,303 --> 00:09:03,369 Oh, they carry away. Huge amounts of way. 228 00:09:03,607 --> 00:09:03,766 Yep. 229 00:09:15,258 --> 00:09:16,636 I'm feeling a little sensitive 230 00:09:17,029 --> 00:09:20,081 about you talking about as we age because, 231 00:09:20,618 --> 00:09:22,851 you know, we're the old guys now, but 232 00:09:22,931 --> 00:09:25,005 I'm still slightly older than new cars. Yeah. 233 00:09:25,324 --> 00:09:26,600 Slightly. But, you know, 234 00:09:27,254 --> 00:09:30,051 a huge percentage of the population are much 235 00:09:30,051 --> 00:09:33,667 younger than we are, under 25. Mh. So 236 00:09:33,726 --> 00:09:35,738 for those of us who are in that 237 00:09:35,738 --> 00:09:39,271 leading edge of the baby boomer bubble, the 238 00:09:39,330 --> 00:09:41,506 demographic bubble. There is a responsibility 239 00:09:41,964 --> 00:09:43,821 for us to engage in 240 00:09:44,373 --> 00:09:47,324 encouraging those that are following after us? I 241 00:09:47,324 --> 00:09:50,137 wonder about the role that we play as 242 00:09:50,196 --> 00:09:53,067 mentors in encouraging a younger leader. What are 243 00:09:53,067 --> 00:09:53,886 some of the 244 00:09:54,277 --> 00:09:56,026 uniqueness that we encounter? 245 00:09:56,583 --> 00:09:58,490 And what are some of the needs of 246 00:09:58,490 --> 00:10:00,239 younger leaders for encouragement. 247 00:10:00,637 --> 00:10:02,704 Whenever I'm ask a question like this is 248 00:10:02,704 --> 00:10:04,333 said look sort of takes 249 00:10:04,789 --> 00:10:06,087 the same qualities 250 00:10:06,543 --> 00:10:09,014 to be a good classic missionary. 251 00:10:09,572 --> 00:10:11,246 You enter the world of the other person. 252 00:10:11,485 --> 00:10:13,095 It's same thing it takes to be a 253 00:10:13,095 --> 00:10:16,523 good marriage partner, a good parent as your 254 00:10:16,523 --> 00:10:18,037 kids get older, You enter their world. 255 00:10:18,834 --> 00:10:21,636 So true with mentoring. You enter their world, 256 00:10:21,796 --> 00:10:23,705 so you're not saying what you want to 257 00:10:23,705 --> 00:10:25,216 say, but you say it in ways they 258 00:10:25,216 --> 00:10:26,966 can hear it. Mh. It's... Yeah. I I 259 00:10:26,966 --> 00:10:30,001 always use the analogy you decide if you 260 00:10:30,001 --> 00:10:32,465 listen to things where you put it on 261 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:33,521 a station 262 00:10:33,895 --> 00:10:35,564 or a television channel. 263 00:10:36,532 --> 00:10:39,334 Their channels that just you just naturally 264 00:10:39,707 --> 00:10:42,406 like that. Mh. And there's ones you quickly 265 00:10:42,406 --> 00:10:43,279 pass over and go. 266 00:10:44,167 --> 00:10:46,631 Stop my style. Yeah. Country music for me. 267 00:10:47,346 --> 00:10:50,048 Exactly. Yep. We just lost the numbers of 268 00:10:50,048 --> 00:10:51,319 our listening audience in. 269 00:10:53,956 --> 00:10:55,703 That's okay. Yeah. That's key too. 270 00:10:56,576 --> 00:10:58,323 We do. But to be able to put 271 00:10:58,323 --> 00:10:59,832 it so they can hear it well. It 272 00:10:59,832 --> 00:11:02,079 just sort of comes straight in 273 00:11:02,389 --> 00:11:04,617 and then sinks in deeply to the heart 274 00:11:04,617 --> 00:11:05,811 or clear to the soul. 275 00:11:06,607 --> 00:11:09,654 I think we can help younger leaders also 276 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:11,405 reminding them of their worthiness. 277 00:11:12,353 --> 00:11:14,206 When a younger leaders in 278 00:11:14,821 --> 00:11:17,368 just a time of despair or feeling low, 279 00:11:17,926 --> 00:11:20,097 that reminder from a mentor 280 00:11:20,649 --> 00:11:21,948 about your worthiness 281 00:11:22,487 --> 00:11:24,964 before God and in their community and in 282 00:11:24,964 --> 00:11:25,603 their family, 283 00:11:26,162 --> 00:11:28,160 I think can be really helpful to them 284 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,403 and speak life into them. 285 00:11:31,756 --> 00:11:33,347 Anybody who's in a leadership position, 286 00:11:33,983 --> 00:11:35,437 you hear a lot of words 287 00:11:36,224 --> 00:11:39,108 and many of them are not speaking life 288 00:11:39,164 --> 00:11:42,843 into you. They're cri you, they're criticizing you 289 00:11:43,073 --> 00:11:43,892 they're seeking 290 00:11:44,268 --> 00:11:46,519 you to make a decision about something 291 00:11:46,894 --> 00:11:47,770 as mentors. 292 00:11:48,407 --> 00:11:49,760 1 thing we can do for a younger 293 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:50,738 leader. It's just 294 00:11:51,129 --> 00:11:52,490 speak life into them. Do you know what 295 00:11:52,649 --> 00:11:54,250 I mean by that? Absolutely. 296 00:11:54,809 --> 00:11:56,809 Yeah. I will add to that, 297 00:11:57,529 --> 00:11:59,545 speak life to them so that they can 298 00:11:59,545 --> 00:12:02,184 see what they are going through differently. Mh. 299 00:12:02,665 --> 00:12:04,665 Perspective again. Give a perspective, 300 00:12:05,305 --> 00:12:07,965 notice how often in both testament. 301 00:12:08,439 --> 00:12:10,353 It's may you have ice to see in 302 00:12:10,353 --> 00:12:10,911 ears to here. 303 00:12:11,709 --> 00:12:13,863 The roll the mentor is often into reframe 304 00:12:13,863 --> 00:12:14,363 realities 305 00:12:15,298 --> 00:12:17,053 so that they can see it and hear 306 00:12:17,053 --> 00:12:18,090 it Yeah. Differently. 307 00:12:18,503 --> 00:12:18,662 Right. 308 00:12:19,695 --> 00:12:21,922 Younger leaders, we can encourage them also. This 309 00:12:21,922 --> 00:12:24,148 is... May sound oh hot at first, but 310 00:12:24,148 --> 00:12:26,874 we can encourage them by giving them honest 311 00:12:27,169 --> 00:12:27,408 feedback. 312 00:12:28,138 --> 00:12:28,955 And also 313 00:12:29,485 --> 00:12:30,540 constructive criticism. 314 00:12:31,150 --> 00:12:33,212 If they feel that we are on their 315 00:12:33,212 --> 00:12:34,956 side if they feel like we're on their 316 00:12:34,956 --> 00:12:35,273 team. 317 00:12:35,923 --> 00:12:37,910 It can actually be a real encouragement to 318 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:40,851 them if we give a course correction for 319 00:12:40,851 --> 00:12:41,885 something that they're doing. 320 00:12:42,441 --> 00:12:43,577 All in a very 321 00:12:44,031 --> 00:12:44,531 encouraging 322 00:12:45,557 --> 00:12:46,830 supportive manner. 323 00:12:47,466 --> 00:12:49,716 We can also give them opportunities, 324 00:12:50,250 --> 00:12:51,682 open some doors for them. 325 00:12:52,333 --> 00:12:54,425 Let them do some things that they wouldn't 326 00:12:54,562 --> 00:12:56,313 otherwise have a chance to do. Christian you 327 00:12:56,313 --> 00:12:59,019 just mentioned worthiness. Talk to me about what 328 00:12:59,019 --> 00:12:59,757 is worthiness 329 00:13:00,133 --> 00:13:01,326 like in this context. 330 00:13:01,899 --> 00:13:05,120 What I was meaning was it's reminding them 331 00:13:05,179 --> 00:13:07,340 they have worth and they have value. 332 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:09,120 But how you 333 00:13:09,500 --> 00:13:10,460 convey that to them? 334 00:13:11,193 --> 00:13:14,053 Is actually simply by loving them, loving them 335 00:13:14,053 --> 00:13:14,530 deeply. 336 00:13:15,086 --> 00:13:15,586 Love 337 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:16,540 expresses 338 00:13:17,152 --> 00:13:19,139 worthiness to people to all of us. 339 00:13:19,948 --> 00:13:22,116 Course right now, I've got a team 340 00:13:22,490 --> 00:13:25,508 of associates who were young leaders when I 341 00:13:25,508 --> 00:13:25,905 pick them. 342 00:13:26,937 --> 00:13:29,734 They're now not quite so young. The oldest 343 00:13:29,734 --> 00:13:31,721 ones are beginning to turn 60 and I'm 344 00:13:31,721 --> 00:13:34,424 going wow. What happened to our young. The 345 00:13:34,424 --> 00:13:36,411 young leaders. More than 20 years ago. Oh, 346 00:13:36,491 --> 00:13:37,206 wait. Just a second. 347 00:13:37,779 --> 00:13:39,695 What does Leigh and ford call you and 348 00:13:39,775 --> 00:13:41,951 I? We're still young leaders still. 349 00:13:42,329 --> 00:13:45,124 Yeah. He's 90 82. He's 92 rates. So 350 00:13:45,124 --> 00:13:46,561 we're all, younger. Mh. 351 00:13:47,214 --> 00:13:49,526 But when I look at these younger leaders, 352 00:13:50,004 --> 00:13:52,317 now the next generations who are in their 353 00:13:52,317 --> 00:13:54,629 twenties and thirties know them as much or 354 00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:55,346 more than me. 355 00:13:56,078 --> 00:13:58,614 And they always asked this question. How did 356 00:13:58,614 --> 00:14:01,071 you get them to work for you? Mh. 357 00:14:01,467 --> 00:14:04,257 Yep. And I said, look, they they weren't 358 00:14:04,257 --> 00:14:06,796 that good back then. So you're welcome. 359 00:14:07,351 --> 00:14:10,207 Yeah. Said, no. I knew I had invitations 360 00:14:10,207 --> 00:14:11,501 that it would take them 361 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:13,429 a long time to get 362 00:14:13,730 --> 00:14:15,490 some... A few of them maybe never. 363 00:14:16,290 --> 00:14:17,570 But I needed a team. 364 00:14:18,129 --> 00:14:20,790 Right. So I actually just needed the help 365 00:14:21,023 --> 00:14:21,921 to bring them 366 00:14:22,376 --> 00:14:24,148 and give them opportunities 367 00:14:24,603 --> 00:14:25,717 to keynote things, 368 00:14:26,353 --> 00:14:27,626 to be p speakers. 369 00:14:28,119 --> 00:14:30,756 Put them in front of thousand or more 370 00:14:30,756 --> 00:14:31,256 leaders 371 00:14:31,635 --> 00:14:33,234 would have taken them a few more years. 372 00:14:33,473 --> 00:14:35,711 Yep. But you give them the opportunity. You 373 00:14:35,711 --> 00:14:36,510 give them a chance. 374 00:14:37,161 --> 00:14:39,144 And as a mentor, we also have to 375 00:14:39,144 --> 00:14:42,000 be okay with. Maybe it didn't work. Mh. 376 00:14:42,873 --> 00:14:44,880 We were in Ireland once and 377 00:14:45,188 --> 00:14:48,529 our family were watching a sheep dog competition. 378 00:14:49,166 --> 00:14:52,004 There was an Irishman and his name was 379 00:14:52,123 --> 00:14:54,424 Patty, and I'm... That's not a stereotype. But 380 00:14:54,424 --> 00:14:55,614 it really was his name. 381 00:14:56,248 --> 00:14:59,104 And he had this cute little border collie 382 00:14:59,104 --> 00:15:00,190 that he brought up 383 00:15:00,628 --> 00:15:03,817 And with these Sheep talk competitions, they release 384 00:15:03,817 --> 00:15:05,810 a dozen sheep out in a field. 385 00:15:06,527 --> 00:15:08,441 And then when the whistle goes, 386 00:15:08,933 --> 00:15:11,315 the shepherd is to send the dog out. 387 00:15:11,474 --> 00:15:14,173 The dog is to corral the sheep and 388 00:15:14,173 --> 00:15:16,475 bring them and put them right into a 389 00:15:16,475 --> 00:15:17,666 corral that they have out there. 390 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:21,057 Well, Patti there and he has been the 391 00:15:21,116 --> 00:15:23,513 champion for Ireland for years, 392 00:15:24,233 --> 00:15:26,790 and he comes in with this young doug 393 00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:29,524 and the comment who are... They're just, like 394 00:15:29,524 --> 00:15:31,605 sports comment holders that we would have here 395 00:15:31,605 --> 00:15:33,445 in North America, and they're going, 396 00:15:34,245 --> 00:15:36,165 I'm not sure what Patti thinking about. He's 397 00:15:36,165 --> 00:15:38,407 that's a pretty dog that he's bringing into 398 00:15:38,407 --> 00:15:41,844 this competition, and the horn goes, Patty 399 00:15:42,455 --> 00:15:45,392 blows his whistle to instruct the border collie. 400 00:15:46,445 --> 00:15:48,384 And this border collie charged 401 00:15:48,764 --> 00:15:49,804 towards the sheep, 402 00:15:50,445 --> 00:15:52,605 and the sheep see the dog coming, and 403 00:15:52,605 --> 00:15:54,304 they turn around, they start running 404 00:15:54,698 --> 00:15:57,330 And this dog, on the camera, they only 405 00:15:57,330 --> 00:15:59,802 had sort of 1 camera pointing out this 406 00:15:59,802 --> 00:16:02,514 way, and the sheep went up and over 407 00:16:02,514 --> 00:16:05,079 the hill with the dog chasing behind them. 408 00:16:06,035 --> 00:16:08,504 And then finally, it times out. So the 409 00:16:08,504 --> 00:16:10,256 camera's just there you're waiting to see if 410 00:16:10,256 --> 00:16:11,929 the sheep are gonna come back with the 411 00:16:11,929 --> 00:16:14,884 dog corral them. They never came back. So 412 00:16:14,884 --> 00:16:16,311 they timed out Patty. 413 00:16:16,867 --> 00:16:19,405 And then immediately, these journalists were they're going, 414 00:16:19,563 --> 00:16:20,912 Patty. What do you think happening? And goes, 415 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:23,147 I think the dog was too young. 416 00:16:24,336 --> 00:16:26,159 He... But he wanted to give it a 417 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:28,879 chance. And I think we need to give 418 00:16:29,109 --> 00:16:31,418 younger leaders a chance, even if they chase 419 00:16:31,418 --> 00:16:32,795 the sheep over the help 420 00:16:33,490 --> 00:16:35,879 because we don't know who's gonna rise to 421 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:37,494 the occasion who's not or 422 00:16:38,362 --> 00:16:40,268 they'll be better at something different. 423 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:43,921 Yes. Than what we invited them in into. 424 00:16:57,207 --> 00:16:59,912 You had an experience where you misread a 425 00:16:59,912 --> 00:17:00,151 guy, 426 00:17:00,946 --> 00:17:04,154 about his ministry. Tell tell tell us that 427 00:17:04,154 --> 00:17:04,314 again. 428 00:17:07,108 --> 00:17:09,583 As a professor, I pulled a student in 429 00:17:09,583 --> 00:17:10,961 who was getting ready to graduate 430 00:17:11,833 --> 00:17:12,791 and I said to him. 431 00:17:13,988 --> 00:17:15,606 Is anybody giving you honest 432 00:17:16,144 --> 00:17:16,463 feedback, 433 00:17:17,022 --> 00:17:19,336 and he said, a little bit, and I 434 00:17:19,336 --> 00:17:21,509 said, let let me just give you observation. 435 00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:23,589 You're good guy. You're good job. 436 00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:25,430 Good heart, 437 00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:27,130 likable, 438 00:17:28,404 --> 00:17:31,464 But when I around you, I know of 439 00:17:31,525 --> 00:17:32,825 no discernible 440 00:17:33,525 --> 00:17:33,924 skills, 441 00:17:35,204 --> 00:17:35,704 gifting, 442 00:17:36,980 --> 00:17:37,480 talent 443 00:17:38,099 --> 00:17:40,419 or calling in your life. All the things 444 00:17:40,419 --> 00:17:41,640 that would make for 445 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:42,980 a minister. Yep. 446 00:17:43,794 --> 00:17:45,714 And so I'm just saying to you... I 447 00:17:45,794 --> 00:17:47,794 I want you to understand. I'm not being 448 00:17:47,794 --> 00:17:49,954 mean. I'm just going... I I don't see 449 00:17:49,954 --> 00:17:50,194 it. 450 00:17:51,008 --> 00:17:54,194 So why are you finishing a 3 year 451 00:17:54,194 --> 00:17:56,504 graduate gregory and going into minister and he 452 00:17:56,504 --> 00:17:59,372 goes, my fiance just had the same conversation 453 00:17:59,372 --> 00:17:59,690 with me? 454 00:18:01,295 --> 00:18:03,918 He said, I understand, he goes, let me 455 00:18:03,918 --> 00:18:05,746 just tell you something. He goes, if you 456 00:18:05,746 --> 00:18:07,177 ever heard of the mall people, 457 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:09,350 if you live in New York City, know 458 00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:11,590 about the old people. To describe it, those 459 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:14,710 people who haven't... The the subway system goes 460 00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:15,210 approximately 461 00:18:15,670 --> 00:18:16,570 4 levels 462 00:18:17,283 --> 00:18:19,591 or stories if you will. Below. A few 463 00:18:19,591 --> 00:18:22,217 of them go 5 levels below ground. And 464 00:18:22,217 --> 00:18:24,684 then below that, are a series of tunnels 465 00:18:24,684 --> 00:18:26,116 and things for maintenance. 466 00:18:26,928 --> 00:18:29,161 And that's where the mall people live. To 467 00:18:29,161 --> 00:18:30,278 typically have 468 00:18:31,155 --> 00:18:34,186 mental health issues. Something else. They hide down 469 00:18:34,186 --> 00:18:36,100 there. It's a whole community. 470 00:18:36,593 --> 00:18:38,662 Well, 1 of his cousins was down there. 471 00:18:39,298 --> 00:18:41,288 And so he had just gone down, 472 00:18:42,003 --> 00:18:43,617 taken blankets and things 473 00:18:44,248 --> 00:18:45,763 They welcomed him in. 474 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,432 He began to have a ministry with them, 475 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:52,564 started a bible study, which 476 00:18:53,021 --> 00:18:53,521 really 477 00:18:54,231 --> 00:18:57,652 expanded and people were embracing a faith in 478 00:18:57,652 --> 00:19:00,038 finding great help and hope. Yeah. 479 00:19:01,564 --> 00:19:03,312 And he said, I need to tell you 480 00:19:03,312 --> 00:19:05,538 this might actually turn into something, and I 481 00:19:05,538 --> 00:19:07,207 said, you'll have to forgive me. I was 482 00:19:07,207 --> 00:19:09,273 only thinking of ministry above ground. 483 00:19:10,084 --> 00:19:12,179 I was never thinking of ministry 484 00:19:12,715 --> 00:19:13,752 below ground. Now, 485 00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:15,027 fast forward, 486 00:19:15,904 --> 00:19:18,775 this guy became nearly famous in New York. 487 00:19:19,108 --> 00:19:20,242 He was written up 488 00:19:20,695 --> 00:19:21,195 nationally 489 00:19:21,885 --> 00:19:24,265 and recognized by the city of New York 490 00:19:24,265 --> 00:19:27,042 for his ministry with the Mo people. Yeah. 491 00:19:27,613 --> 00:19:30,077 No discernible abilities that we would see, 492 00:19:30,792 --> 00:19:32,939 but it was something there. Yeah. You know, 493 00:19:33,098 --> 00:19:35,324 that story is a good cautionary note for 494 00:19:35,324 --> 00:19:36,778 us as mentors to 495 00:19:37,089 --> 00:19:39,799 be careful about our assumptions about people because 496 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:42,431 we don't fully know where their gifts and 497 00:19:42,431 --> 00:19:44,345 everything are going to be applied. 498 00:19:45,062 --> 00:19:46,852 What about the challenges 499 00:19:47,227 --> 00:19:48,522 of generational 500 00:19:49,215 --> 00:19:49,715 differences 501 00:19:50,170 --> 00:19:52,340 when it comes to encouragement. 502 00:19:53,048 --> 00:19:56,084 And how people like to be encouraged or 503 00:19:56,138 --> 00:19:57,010 are encouraged. 504 00:19:57,644 --> 00:19:59,547 What are some thoughts that come to mind 505 00:19:59,547 --> 00:20:00,022 about that? 506 00:20:00,673 --> 00:20:02,348 I think when you look at both generations 507 00:20:02,348 --> 00:20:03,146 and cultures, 508 00:20:03,943 --> 00:20:04,683 there are 509 00:20:05,140 --> 00:20:06,118 significant differences, 510 00:20:06,655 --> 00:20:07,155 but 511 00:20:08,011 --> 00:20:09,846 because we're talking about the human heart, 512 00:20:10,739 --> 00:20:12,736 There are great similarities as well. 513 00:20:13,455 --> 00:20:15,293 To be able to speak to people, 514 00:20:16,332 --> 00:20:18,344 something that brings life, Mh. 515 00:20:18,903 --> 00:20:19,303 Loves, 516 00:20:19,782 --> 00:20:20,421 if you will. 517 00:20:21,779 --> 00:20:25,809 Loves. Loves. Instead of just 1, like, augusta 518 00:20:25,869 --> 00:20:27,088 talking love 519 00:20:27,627 --> 00:20:30,024 life. Yep. Can speak into, 520 00:20:30,903 --> 00:20:34,580 value and validation. Still... Those all are useful? 521 00:20:34,993 --> 00:20:37,160 Right but they get dressed differently. 522 00:20:38,565 --> 00:20:39,383 And so 523 00:20:39,756 --> 00:20:41,979 1 of the things I do regularly is 524 00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:44,627 with people older than me, which now are 525 00:20:44,627 --> 00:20:46,943 much. Mh. Much older much older. 526 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,521 I take several days 527 00:20:49,994 --> 00:20:51,769 at the end of the year before Christmas 528 00:20:51,906 --> 00:20:53,420 to just set an appointment, 529 00:20:53,978 --> 00:20:56,629 call them Zoom with them and remind them 530 00:20:56,846 --> 00:20:58,998 of how valuable they have been and still 531 00:20:58,998 --> 00:20:59,476 are. Yeah. 532 00:21:00,130 --> 00:21:01,809 The response is always the same. 533 00:21:02,609 --> 00:21:03,650 They, of course cry, 534 00:21:04,769 --> 00:21:05,570 but they say, 535 00:21:06,210 --> 00:21:07,009 no 1 else. 536 00:21:07,983 --> 00:21:10,774 Remembers us. Right. I know it's not true. 537 00:21:11,652 --> 00:21:14,284 But for them, the fact that in my 538 00:21:14,284 --> 00:21:16,698 roles, their view of me matters. 539 00:21:17,647 --> 00:21:19,709 And so I've learned a lot about how 540 00:21:19,709 --> 00:21:21,216 to speak to them. Mh. 541 00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:25,315 Also cross culturally, not much fluff, but direct 542 00:21:25,673 --> 00:21:29,254 always works. Mh. What it's believable. When it's 543 00:21:29,254 --> 00:21:33,017 believable. That's a key part. It's related to 544 00:21:33,407 --> 00:21:36,350 discussions we've had before about giving feedback to 545 00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:38,497 people. Mh. You have to be a credible, 546 00:21:39,054 --> 00:21:41,121 believable person if you're going to do that. 547 00:21:41,773 --> 00:21:44,885 I've had some people who I with, 548 00:21:45,523 --> 00:21:47,220 and they don't have any 549 00:21:47,597 --> 00:21:48,097 recognizable 550 00:21:49,287 --> 00:21:51,918 strengths that are easily encouraged. 551 00:21:52,715 --> 00:21:54,867 And I think about the fact that they 552 00:21:54,867 --> 00:21:56,882 have gone through some system 553 00:21:57,433 --> 00:22:01,094 of education or in their job or getting 554 00:22:01,094 --> 00:22:02,129 promoted in their work, 555 00:22:02,846 --> 00:22:05,552 and no 1 has been honest enough with 556 00:22:05,552 --> 00:22:06,347 them to say, 557 00:22:07,158 --> 00:22:07,635 Do you know, 558 00:22:08,351 --> 00:22:11,373 you really don't have what it's going to 559 00:22:11,373 --> 00:22:13,225 take to have a 560 00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:14,974 successful fulfilling 561 00:22:15,681 --> 00:22:18,932 life or career in this particular ministry area. 562 00:22:19,566 --> 00:22:21,469 And just trying to be honest with them, 563 00:22:21,548 --> 00:22:24,020 but I feel like I'm being brought in 564 00:22:24,020 --> 00:22:25,922 like a hired gun and somebody else should 565 00:22:25,922 --> 00:22:28,300 have done this a long time ago, Obviously. 566 00:22:28,617 --> 00:22:29,910 But it's very honoring. 567 00:22:31,090 --> 00:22:33,946 To just be honest and direct and go. 568 00:22:34,423 --> 00:22:36,248 Here's what we see. Here's what we don't 569 00:22:36,248 --> 00:22:36,486 see. 570 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,779 There is a future for you. Just possible 571 00:22:39,996 --> 00:22:41,590 not in what you thought it was. 572 00:22:42,227 --> 00:22:43,263 Yeah. That's possible. 573 00:22:49,489 --> 00:22:51,318 Hey, it's Martin Ear. I wanna tell you 574 00:22:51,318 --> 00:22:52,988 a word about my friend Carson. 575 00:22:53,863 --> 00:22:54,817 I love this guy. 576 00:22:55,788 --> 00:22:58,894 There's a passion for mentoring and leadership development 577 00:22:58,894 --> 00:23:02,240 that rises above almost everyone else's. A speaker. 578 00:23:02,957 --> 00:23:06,077 It brings leaders to a point of becoming 579 00:23:06,077 --> 00:23:09,260 just better in their leadership. He's a leader 580 00:23:09,260 --> 00:23:09,897 of leaders, 581 00:23:10,613 --> 00:23:11,591 written books 582 00:23:12,443 --> 00:23:13,978 mentors with expertise 583 00:23:14,606 --> 00:23:16,139 and it makes them a standout 584 00:23:16,593 --> 00:23:18,682 choice for your leadership conference. 585 00:23:19,374 --> 00:23:21,122 So if you are a conference to be 586 00:23:21,122 --> 00:23:23,838 something that takes people to a whole another 587 00:23:23,838 --> 00:23:25,109 place of inspiration, 588 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:28,604 motivation and more effective leadership. 589 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,987 Book carson is your keynote. 590 00:23:31,796 --> 00:23:33,698 Seize the opportunity to learn from 1 of 591 00:23:33,698 --> 00:23:35,680 the best Christian mentors you'll find. 592 00:23:36,394 --> 00:23:39,503 So visit us today, it mentored podcast dot 593 00:23:39,503 --> 00:23:41,599 net and inquire about Carson availability 594 00:23:42,137 --> 00:23:43,174 for your upcoming event. 595 00:23:50,848 --> 00:23:53,081 You know, here in Vancouver, we have dragon 596 00:23:53,081 --> 00:23:56,351 boat races every summer and those long canoe 597 00:23:56,351 --> 00:23:56,851 with 598 00:23:57,164 --> 00:23:59,638 10 paddle and a collar at the back 599 00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:01,713 who's calling out the beat or the drum. 600 00:24:02,431 --> 00:24:05,326 And I use this as an illustration for 601 00:24:05,638 --> 00:24:08,212 if you want everybody rowing in the same 602 00:24:08,349 --> 00:24:10,024 direction with teamwork, 603 00:24:10,742 --> 00:24:12,894 if you had even 1 person who's kind 604 00:24:12,894 --> 00:24:14,032 of rowing backwards, 605 00:24:14,662 --> 00:24:17,359 it'll set the whole thing off course. And 606 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,580 somebody who doesn't have the right gifts and 607 00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:21,167 skills for their particular job. 608 00:24:21,738 --> 00:24:24,121 It's just a matter of alignment. It's not 609 00:24:24,121 --> 00:24:26,981 even a personal thing, well, let's find where 610 00:24:26,981 --> 00:24:29,762 you really would shine, but it's just not 611 00:24:29,762 --> 00:24:29,921 here. 612 00:24:31,049 --> 00:24:32,797 When it comes to things like encouragement. 613 00:24:33,592 --> 00:24:37,168 We don't wanna give technique, but some approach 614 00:24:37,168 --> 00:24:39,969 really is useful. Mh. We we've mentioned a 615 00:24:39,969 --> 00:24:43,005 few, But let's give a couple more. Being 616 00:24:43,005 --> 00:24:43,505 substantive 617 00:24:44,204 --> 00:24:44,943 is really 618 00:24:45,642 --> 00:24:47,900 far better than something light 619 00:24:48,295 --> 00:24:50,215 noticeable by nearly everyone, 620 00:24:51,255 --> 00:24:52,154 make it substantive. 621 00:24:52,535 --> 00:24:53,275 Oh, also, 622 00:24:54,055 --> 00:24:56,154 the things that are not 623 00:24:56,455 --> 00:24:57,595 obvious like 624 00:24:58,549 --> 00:25:01,429 inherent things that maybe the person has, they've 625 00:25:01,429 --> 00:25:04,710 never actually highlighted them. Mh. Yeah. And go, 626 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:06,710 I don't know if you're aware you have 627 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:09,186 this it might be better than you know. 628 00:25:10,296 --> 00:25:12,303 And let's bring that to the forefront 629 00:25:12,676 --> 00:25:15,000 instead of keeping it back here. And sometimes 630 00:25:15,389 --> 00:25:17,801 even trying to become something that you're not 631 00:25:17,859 --> 00:25:18,576 actually. Right. 632 00:25:19,612 --> 00:25:21,445 We can also celebrate people. 633 00:25:22,162 --> 00:25:24,564 Most about are just are not celebrated enough. 634 00:25:24,722 --> 00:25:26,551 And I know that you're really good at 635 00:25:26,551 --> 00:25:27,369 this with 636 00:25:27,744 --> 00:25:29,675 sending gifts to people 637 00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:32,299 una announced. They just disappear 638 00:25:32,688 --> 00:25:34,277 and it's just a point of you saying, 639 00:25:34,674 --> 00:25:35,707 I'm thinking about you, 640 00:25:36,422 --> 00:25:39,122 encouraging you when you and I invest in, 641 00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:41,744 especially with younger leaders. The fact that they 642 00:25:41,744 --> 00:25:42,244 know 643 00:25:42,554 --> 00:25:45,507 that somebody cares about them makes a huge 644 00:25:45,507 --> 00:25:46,544 difference in their life. 645 00:25:48,221 --> 00:25:49,976 1 of the things I probably hear the 646 00:25:49,976 --> 00:25:50,296 most. 647 00:25:51,901 --> 00:25:53,672 When I do strong 648 00:25:54,046 --> 00:25:54,546 encouragement, 649 00:25:55,396 --> 00:25:57,540 they're not used to it. And so the 650 00:25:57,540 --> 00:25:59,862 most common responses is Yeah. But you say 651 00:25:59,862 --> 00:26:01,776 this to everybody go. Let's make 1 thing 652 00:26:01,776 --> 00:26:03,930 really clear. I don't say this to everyone. 653 00:26:04,648 --> 00:26:06,881 I only say this is the New York 654 00:26:06,961 --> 00:26:08,657 Group piece. I only say 655 00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:10,250 what needs to be said. 656 00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:13,210 If it's real, I say it, if it's 657 00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:14,490 not, I say nothing. 658 00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:17,049 So if I'm gonna speak this to you, 659 00:26:17,783 --> 00:26:19,536 take it. It's receive it. 660 00:26:20,333 --> 00:26:23,043 If I don't say anything, that's what you 661 00:26:23,043 --> 00:26:23,543 wonder 662 00:26:24,557 --> 00:26:26,728 why not. And you have to decide what 663 00:26:26,728 --> 00:26:29,066 it is or take that up with a 664 00:26:29,524 --> 00:26:32,481 mentor or a therapist. Yeah. But please don't 665 00:26:32,481 --> 00:26:34,572 be dismissive of it. You know, I think 666 00:26:34,572 --> 00:26:36,327 about the role of faith in this whole 667 00:26:36,327 --> 00:26:37,625 subject of encouragement 668 00:26:38,562 --> 00:26:41,216 and how even talking about faith 669 00:26:41,927 --> 00:26:44,498 with people with Men can be 670 00:26:45,113 --> 00:26:48,458 encouraging to them because we're talking about something 671 00:26:48,458 --> 00:26:49,971 that's beyond themselves. 672 00:26:50,543 --> 00:26:53,507 And as you pointed out earlier on, Para 673 00:26:53,643 --> 00:26:54,938 is God who comes 674 00:26:55,313 --> 00:26:57,879 alongside us. And so as mentors 675 00:26:58,508 --> 00:27:01,856 we become that voice in their lives. We 676 00:27:01,856 --> 00:27:03,929 have an opportunity to speak the voice of 677 00:27:03,929 --> 00:27:04,567 the spirit. 678 00:27:05,125 --> 00:27:06,401 And if we can say, 679 00:27:07,054 --> 00:27:08,095 the actual words, 680 00:27:08,974 --> 00:27:11,794 the clear sense of encouragement and the way 681 00:27:11,855 --> 00:27:13,774 that the spirit would like us to say 682 00:27:13,774 --> 00:27:17,155 it. We've actually created this divine partnership 683 00:27:17,849 --> 00:27:20,077 between his spirit and our human spirit and 684 00:27:20,077 --> 00:27:22,703 we speak these words in human ways over 685 00:27:22,703 --> 00:27:22,942 people. 686 00:27:23,593 --> 00:27:25,662 Who may not have been able to hear 687 00:27:25,662 --> 00:27:26,457 it. Mh. 688 00:27:26,934 --> 00:27:28,525 You know, if somebody says well, in the 689 00:27:28,525 --> 00:27:30,116 bible, does it talk about encouragement? 690 00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:33,793 There's lots of examples of encouragement in scripture, 691 00:27:33,952 --> 00:27:36,102 but what's 1 that comes to mind for 692 00:27:36,102 --> 00:27:36,261 you? 693 00:27:37,296 --> 00:27:40,285 Well, 1 that I've often used to clarify 694 00:27:41,305 --> 00:27:43,785 because younger leaders, I listen to them and 695 00:27:43,785 --> 00:27:46,184 they'll go, pray it, I can stay encouraged 696 00:27:46,184 --> 00:27:47,865 and I go, no No. No. 697 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:50,834 That's that's not the role of the Holy 698 00:27:50,994 --> 00:27:51,393 Trinity. 699 00:27:51,872 --> 00:27:52,590 It's your job. 700 00:27:53,308 --> 00:27:56,900 And I take them to first Samuel 36. 701 00:27:57,794 --> 00:27:59,791 Where it says just very clearly, 702 00:28:00,511 --> 00:28:03,807 and David either depending on your translation, strengthened 703 00:28:04,346 --> 00:28:05,485 or encouraged 704 00:28:06,038 --> 00:28:06,538 himself 705 00:28:06,915 --> 00:28:07,554 in the lord. 706 00:28:08,431 --> 00:28:11,222 Strengthen courage. It's that heart thing. Right. He 707 00:28:11,222 --> 00:28:15,072 built strength courage, hope into his heart because 708 00:28:15,863 --> 00:28:17,456 He knew there was a calling. 709 00:28:18,014 --> 00:28:20,165 He knew that the spirit of God would 710 00:28:20,165 --> 00:28:22,077 be with him, but it was his job. 711 00:28:22,808 --> 00:28:25,116 To keep that inner strength and billing. Yep. 712 00:28:25,673 --> 00:28:28,537 That's a great word as we wrap up 713 00:28:28,537 --> 00:28:31,003 this episode on encouragement. And I wonder if 714 00:28:31,083 --> 00:28:31,694 I could 715 00:28:32,370 --> 00:28:32,870 encourage 716 00:28:33,563 --> 00:28:35,790 our listeners to do a couple of things. 717 00:28:36,028 --> 00:28:36,767 1 is 718 00:28:37,221 --> 00:28:39,209 take some time to think about somebody who 719 00:28:39,209 --> 00:28:41,356 was a great encouragement to you. 720 00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:44,250 And maybe drop them a note or, pick 721 00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:45,849 up the phone and give them a call? 722 00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:47,769 Another thought is, 723 00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:50,809 what about you turning to someone else? 724 00:28:51,464 --> 00:28:53,939 And being an encouragement in their life. This 725 00:28:53,939 --> 00:28:56,893 is something we can all do. So let's 726 00:28:56,893 --> 00:28:59,448 try as we finish up our day or 727 00:28:59,448 --> 00:29:01,935 we finish up our week. To be more 728 00:29:01,935 --> 00:29:02,413 encouraging. 729 00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:03,608 Well said. 730 00:29:04,405 --> 00:29:04,723 Well, 731 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,750 I can hardly wait till our theme song 732 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:10,002 starts for our next episode, but 733 00:29:10,631 --> 00:29:12,931 until then, I guess this is it. 734 00:29:13,645 --> 00:29:15,470 Nice to have time with you in the 735 00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:16,660 studio again, Martin, 736 00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:19,390 where mentored or mentored. 737 00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:32,183 You wanna hear more from us and find 738 00:29:32,183 --> 00:29:34,735 other resources on mentoring head over to our 739 00:29:34,735 --> 00:29:37,084 website site at WWW 740 00:29:37,621 --> 00:29:40,891 mentored podcast dot net, where you'll find all 741 00:29:40,891 --> 00:29:43,045 our topics as well as a way to 742 00:29:43,045 --> 00:29:44,560 subscribe to future episodes. 743 00:29:45,535 --> 00:29:48,654 And we'd also appreciate it if on social 744 00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:51,454 media, You take a moment to like or 745 00:29:51,454 --> 00:29:52,894 comment on our episodes. 746 00:29:53,549 --> 00:29:56,659 This helps us create better content and reach 747 00:29:56,659 --> 00:29:58,015 more people with our message. 748 00:30:02,161 --> 00:30:04,642 I'm Martin Sanders, and I'm Carson cue. 749 00:30:05,517 --> 00:30:07,822 Thanks again for listening, and we'll see you 750 00:30:07,822 --> 00:30:08,378 next time. 751 00:30:09,332 --> 00:30:09,650 Bye.