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Hi, Welcome Bc ci Chat. On Brad white.

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Happy to have you with us today and

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happy to have our full crew here in

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the studio. Good morning, Philip. Good morning, guys.

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Dustin? Good morning.

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Hello, everybody. White So as always, we've got

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several good topics to talk about today, including

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we're gonna talk about feeding in times of

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heat and heat stress. We're gonna talk about

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risk management and marketing for those caps. Prices

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have been really high. How do I protect?

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How do I make sure that I get

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the best price for the... Those calves. And

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we're gonna wrap up by talking about a

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couple unusual diseases,

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lumpy jaw, and wooden tongue, and what are

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the implications of those in your herd?

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As always, if you have interest, you could

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send us a question at bc at k

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u dot edu, and we've got another podcast

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called Bo Science with bc where we dive

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into further topics.

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But in preparing for this 1 today, guys,

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we talked about unusually named diseases in cattle.

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I had some questions that I wanted to

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ask you knowing that you're all fish disease

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experts. No. I'm gonna ask you some questions

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about fish disease. And I'm gonna start easy

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and we may get a little bit harder.

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Okay? So the first 1...

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Is called hamburger gill.

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What do you think that looks like in

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fish.

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It's when their guild just

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turns to mush, and it looks like hamburger.

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See. I knew you guys were fish a.

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I kinda could I guess that 1 too.

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Okay. Okay. The next 1, now we're getting

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a little bit harder. Mh. This is called

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Hole the head.

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What could that be? Is there a hole

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in their head. Cans.

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I'm guessing says sometimes they could ex exclude

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their brains, but then keep swimming.

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So it didn't really need. They went they

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don't really It is a bad disease though

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You don't wanna have a hole in your

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head. Okay. It.

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I'm thinking, like, some kind of slimy

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texture or something like that on the outside,

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they just no? Good cast, but no.

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It tastes bad. Tastes bad. Taste bad. Think

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like their their fins get all back. Ic.

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Just came hardly avoid saying. Yeah. I guess.

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It's actually gonna get little white spots and

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ic is short for the bacteria or pro

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in that car these. So... Alright. And I've

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extended all my

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sorry share with you guys. So let's let's

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switch to something that we do know about,

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which is

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how do we manage rations and feeding

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when it comes to heat? And and Philip,

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I'm gonna

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be more specific with this 1. So we're

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not talking about pasture We're talking about... If

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we were raising

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he for replacement he or raising yea bowls,

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and we've got them in a dry lot

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scenario, their appetite gonna drop some when it

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gets hot. Do I need to adjust the

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ration or change anything in that environment?

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Feed intake is gonna drop off. So that

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means

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energy intake is gonna decrease. And so you're

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not gonna get the performance that you want

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from just from 2 aspects, 1,

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maintenance requirements are gonna go up because they're

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trying to get rid of that extra heat,

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and then 2, they're not eating as many

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calories. And so

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1 of the things that we can try

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is to increase the energy density of the

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diet. So we can decrease the amount of

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rough in the diet and add more concentrates,

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so that they're consuming more calories. Okay? But

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the other thing that happens is the the

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ferment... The heat of fermentation is actually less.

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When they're ferment

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starches in in grains when compared to when

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they're ferment

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forage.

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Which seems a little bit counterintuitive to me

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that you would have a higher

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diet and the heat of fermentation is less.

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Mh. So

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because of the way that those different carbohydrates

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are fermented to what we call the volatile

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fatty acids.

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When starches are fermented fermented, we don't have

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as much

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carbon dioxide produced during that fermentation as we

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do with 4,

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and that is the metabolism

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part of that that creates the heat.

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per unit of

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carbohydrate

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with a starch than with a forage. Well,

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and we're providing that

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meal in a bolus. Typically, which is different

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than our grazing cattle, which are grazing continuously.

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Mh. And we don't see as much... And

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they're in a different environment. So hard to

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compare grazing to this dry lot scenario that

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we have? Mh. So, Bob, what are what

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are some of the things as we think

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about managing that heat diet

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do do you change the time and day

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that you feed? Or do you feed at

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the same time of day? No. I think

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you need to think about that because kind

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of the peak heat of the day is

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mid afternoon.

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And as Philip was saying, you've got the

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heat of fermentation. So we're trying to avoid

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having, you know, a big belly full right

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during the middle of the afternoon because that's...

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Gonna kinda compound those 2 things. So a

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lot of people talk about feeding really early

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in the morning or technically, you do it,

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you know, kinda after

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by the time you're getting in the middle

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of the afternoon, that's... They're they're starting to

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get hungry and they're and they're not as

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actively

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creating heat of digestion. Well, it's not it's

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not different for us and that during the

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heat of the day. You're not as hungry,

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but then the the room and you talks

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about that heat from fermentation, how long does

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that occur after they have a meal? Well,

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for for several hours, but it's gonna peak

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probably somewhere around 3 to 6 hours or

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so after meal. So, yeah. So Bob, there's

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some good research that shows that if you

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can do it. Feeding those cattle in the

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evening,

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in the hot weather, then that heat of

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fermentation is gonna happen in the cooler morning

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hours,

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when they've can dissipate that extra heat a

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lot better. And so their performance actually improves

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quite a bit. Yeah. Because if we if

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we feed them at, 8 or 9 in

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the morning. They're heating up right as the

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day is heating up, and then it's hard

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for them to dissipate dispatch. So if you

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get it done at night that makes sense.

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And and that makes sense for cattle that

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are on a pure

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concentrate diet. For some of these scenarios where

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we talked about He or bowls,

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Do do I not only wanna feed more

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energy dense, should I back off if I

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know... So we're talking in general summer? But

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now I know a heat waves comment it's

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gonna be a hundred and 4 the next

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Should I increase or decrease the amount that

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I would decrease the amount that you're gonna

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feed them. So that... And and you can

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begin making more interested. And we can do

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something maybe not quite as extreme, but more

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toward a what we would call a limit

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feeding type of program where we can make

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that diet more energy dense.

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of put of how full feed we can

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limit the amount. So we're getting the right

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calories for them to grow we want, but

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but but there... The appetite depression from the

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heat of of heat stress is not gonna

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have as big impact because we get in

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more energy dense diet it. 1 other big

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nutrient that we know is hugely important during

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times of heat is water. Any tips on

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managing water as we go through this hot

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time period, and do I need to add

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in? Maybe an extra water source that we

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don't normally have. I think that's something you

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have to have to think about the pen

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size, how many animals we're talking about and

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plenty of of water space. And so 1

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of the things I think to consider is

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to bring in an extra tank.

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So that that there's any animal that thirsty

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at all should be able to get access

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to that water quickly. They shouldn't have to

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stand in line. I think it's right. Yeah.

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I mean, big open source tank that they

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can...

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Lots of drink from this bowl fountain is

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probably not gonna keep up with those cattle

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during the heat event,

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and they're... Because it's not designed to flow

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as fast. Well, we wanna be sure that

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we're checking it frequently that we've got fresh

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water there because some of those big tanks.

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be fresh. If I'm not, then it's gonna

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get the gets stagnant pretty quick. Mh. Same

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thing as we watch our our ball flow

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tank to be sure that it is keeping

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up that the well can pump as they're

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drinking because they're gonna drink a lot more

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water. So thanks for your thoughts on heat

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feeding and managing that diet, including the water

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portion of that.

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Dustin, Gonna turn to you and Cattle prices

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have been good lately, which is something to

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look forward to as we go into fall.

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But it's time to actually start thinking about

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how am I gonna to market my calves.

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So if I have an in the scenario

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that Had cab born in the spring, and

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they are due to be sold in October

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and November December, typically, that's my time frame.

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Any advice as I start thinking about marketing

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for this fall because this may be a

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year that I just say.

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I'm not gonna worry too much about it

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because I think prices are good. Well, I

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mean, that could be 1 marketing strategy. Right?

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Prices probably gonna be record high. So do

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I really need to invest the time. And,

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I mean, that's 1 strategy. It could be

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a risky strategy.

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Or you if you're more risk ave reverse

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like myself, maybe you wanna invest a little

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more time.

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Thinking about when you're gonna

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you know, time frame,

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location, are there certain programs you're trying to

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hit Target.

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If there are, do you what are some

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of those requirements?

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And and do you have to vaccinate it

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at a certain point in time before you

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sell them? And those are all things you

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probably need to think about if you already

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haven't? Yeah. And as you think about putting

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putting some of those things together, it ties

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1 of the questions comes up is what

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weight do I think my caps are gonna

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be at the time of marketing? So Philip

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up, what are what are some of the

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ways that I could kinda

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project or look forward to

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How do I know what weight they'll be

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at at a specific time in the fall?

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Well, probably just trying to estimate based on

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past years,

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knowing 1 what your

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say take it look like last the last

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few years.

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There are some

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nutrition programs and things that we could use

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to try to project based on forge that

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you've got and and things like that, But

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that's probably a little bit more in depth

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than most producers are gonna do.

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I mean, And by, Bob, do you have

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any other thoughts, but I sales tickets its

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past sales tickets is probably of a best

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bet. I I think so you... That's 1

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where you really helpful to have some about

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how your herd is perform in the past.

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Now there's year to year differences and and

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you... In your local area, what's grass production

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like, particularly as we get late summer, You

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know, it's been at least around us. Been

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pretty good up till now, but things can

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change and and that's gonna change in the

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growth curve.

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But if you have a number of years

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records,

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you can kinda predict well, based on this

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year's voyages, it seems more like certain ear

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and and that gives you an idea of

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what those calves are gonna we off on

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and you can start maybe doing some risk

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management on the price side if if if

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you're concerned. Dustin you you mentioned

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might be risky to do nothing, but I

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wanna start kinda planning as I look forward.

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Should I lock in prices

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now, should I wait and how do I

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make that decision? Because I know that's not

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a singular answer for everyone?

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Yeah. I mean, again, it comes back to

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kind of your risk level. I mean, some

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folks are more risky and they're willing to

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just take to the cash price maybe what

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if they go to a sale

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later in near year. Others there's might 1

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lock that in. They know exactly what their

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breakeven is, so they might wanna try to

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participate in some kind of forward contracts, some

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kind of maybe futures contract.

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There are other in risk management products out

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there to livestock and or grazing forage as

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well that from a risk management perspective,

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that you might wanna think about as well.

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Yeah. And I could do forward selling too.

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Right? And it addition do just rate risk

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management. I could go ahead and actually contract

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them now to be sold certain point. But

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that that in itself comes with some risk

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that the price could go up from where

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it is today.

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That that no it's true. You might lose

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out on a little bit of potential extra

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revenue,

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but

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comes back to what, I mean, that risk

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management you're trying if the prices to go

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the opposite way. Right? You you don't wanna

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lose. You're trying to lock in a profit

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because, mean, if your livelihood is based on,

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selling those calves and you know what your

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breakeven is and you wanna make a little

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bit of money, you lock that in. Yeah.

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You might before going so, but you're also

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protecting On the downside. Yeah. Which means you...

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I may wanna make a different decision this

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year because you've said a couple really key

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things. 1,

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I have to know what my breakeven is.

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Right? I can't just go the prices are

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high or how much they are. What my

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breakeven is compared to what I think I

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can get for them. And and 2,

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if you can lock in a profit, you

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can't do that every year. This year you

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may be able to do that in which

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case it's essentially a hedge. Right? I'm putting

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in a hedge, and I'm losing upside potential,

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but I'm also limiting my downside loss by

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picking the price I wanna up now. Am

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I understand what you're saying Correct? Yep. No

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That's exactly it. And and again, it comes

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back to kind of your risk your risk

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level. How...

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What do you like? What do you? How

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risk ave reverse are you? I'm extremely risk

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ave reverse, and I know that I wanna

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live to see tomorrow and so I'm gonna

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probably lock in something with just a small

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margin, willing to for the than the much

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larger ones. And there plenty of more complex

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options if you decide you can put... You

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could do something with part of the calves

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can do something like the other part of

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the cap crop you've got enough. But I

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would consider that, especially this year, and I

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think really good advice there, Dustin on thinking

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about. Can what are my options for managing

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those. And I like the idea of starting

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to think about marketing now? Mh. Rather than

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the fall when everybody else is marketing because

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I may wanna be a little bit counter

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and either market them a little bit sooner

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or a little bit later than everybody else

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does wanna come. Yeah I'd say just a

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couple things is Start thinking about it now,

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planning for. And another thing that Bob mentioned

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and we're all actually hitting on it is

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you need data. Right? You need to know

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which breakeven are. You need to know which

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your past weights are. And so if you

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aren't keeping your records or at least that

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close.

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Maybe a start to year that way in

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the future years,

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you can start to to use your own

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data to make your decisions.

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Absolutely. Great points there. Now we're gonna talk

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a little bit about. I mentioned at the

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start,

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lumpy jaw and wooden tongue and Bob. I'm

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gonna go to you first and let's let's

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talk about woody tongue first, and what actually

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causes wooden can? Woody tongue. So both of

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these diseases are basic. Like caused

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by bacteria that are normally in the mouth

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and and throat area.

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And so it's not really something that they

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can't get. From someplace cells. It's it's bacteria

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that's there,

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but it has to have some way to

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get into the tissues of the... And it's

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a couple of different germs, but they're related

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to each other.

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And so basically, it happens when the the

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tissues of the mouth are damaged. So a

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lot times we'll think about it when we

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get into the fall or winter and cattle

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on a

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stem, you know, green gore grass isn't likely

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to cause this problem. But stem,

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more horse forage.

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Damages those mucus membranes and causes leash lesions.

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Exactly. Anybody that's it's gotten, you know, eaten

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something that caused a little cut in your

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mouth, You know, that's kinda painful. And that

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allows these bacteria to get in there. And

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so the kind of the differences, so wooden

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tongue that is when there's an lesion to

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the tongue that allows some germs to get

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in there. And it it can cause several

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problems in that that tongue gets... Well, the...

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This has come back to your fish disease.

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It's a their tongue gets large, it tends

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to hang out of their mouth. And so

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they they only look like they're pant or

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or drooling because their their tongue is swollen

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and and painful.

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And so makes eating difficult. It's you know,

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so Yeah. It's some small and painful. It

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will... And you'll see them. You don't very

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often see

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animal, a cow, especially.

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Sticking their tongue out of their mouth. They're

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not doing it into play. No. They're no.

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It's doing it because the tongue won't go

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back in. And the other place you kinda

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see it is is just basically swelling under

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the under the jaw. Which could be a

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wooden tongue or a lumpy jaw, the it's

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again, with lumpy jaw. It's a bacteria that's

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in the mouth, and it gets into some

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of the other tissues of the of the

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mouth. Now, what's dangerous about that 1, sometimes

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it'll actually invade bone. And what if it

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invades bone, you've got you've got real problems

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and and those are difficult to cure. The

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good thing about both wooden tongue and and

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lumpy jaw, it's not involving the bone is

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they respond pretty well to treatment. A lot

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times, that's when your veterinarian will give

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sodium iodine and iodine.

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Fluid, and they'll give it Iv,

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and that's that and antibiotic treatment are pretty

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effective at bringing those

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to syndromes back to back to normal. Yeah.

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Absolutely. And I and I think that's an

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area that... You just look through

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observation. Mh. You'll see that the cattle are

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not behaving normally. And you'd expect this is

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not something that is technically

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contagious. Right. You're gonna have an animal that's

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affected, not a group of animals right effect.

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And if it's a group of animals. It's

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usually a subset of the group, and it's

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not that they're passing it to each other.

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It's that they're all being exposed to the

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same feed stuff that might be kind of

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heart on their mouth. But a lot of

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times it's 1 animal, maybe 2 in a

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group. And, you know, just rapid treatment of

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those is the best way to to deal

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with it. Now differentiate that from something like,

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squamous cell carcinoma or other types of cancer,

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what would we... Could... Which may involve the

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the bone or the face area. Yep. That's,

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you know... So maybe 1 of the things

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just take home is is look at your

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cattle. And when you're looking at the face,

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it it... Do you see anything that's unusual

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such as the tongue is sticking out. There's

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kinda swelling under the jaw or in the

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case of cattle can get kind of a

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a cancer eye in that third eyelid or

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along the eyelids of their eye.

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That's AAA

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problem that if you treat it early and

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treating it early, a lot of times you

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remain surgical removal removal. Of that area.

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Those animals can can go ahead and respond

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and and get multiple years of productive life

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after them. Again, though, if that cancer spreads

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and it involves the bone of the head,

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that's not gonna get better, and it's... Time

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to think about AAA eu just from a,

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and I'm a welfare for a standpoint. So

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monitor your cattle closely enough if you see

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anything kinda odd going on in their head

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and face, get a veterinarian to look at

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it because probably, it's something that they can

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actually...

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That do something really positive so that the

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outcome is good. Yeah. And I as we

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get into these diseases of older cattle. It

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makes me start to think about and we're

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we're coming to that. I mean, cows right

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now, late summer should look about the best

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as they all yesterday. They're they're nursing a

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calf. They've had grass all summer,

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as they go through depending on where you

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are as long as you've had rain, you've

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got good grass. They should look about as

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good as they can. What are some of

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the things that you guys would... Start to

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think about be a disease, like you just

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mentioned or nutrition that might make me think

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of getting those cows out of the herd,

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a little bit early. Because now would actually

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not be a bad time if I had

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to to call, but I'm not not quite

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to check time. It's a little bit different

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time of year, If you were evaluating the

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cows and Philip, I'll ask you first? What

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are some of the things you'd look at

530
00:19:03,815 --> 00:19:04,692
that might make you say,

531
00:19:05,410 --> 00:19:07,483
I think I'm gonna remove her from the

532
00:19:07,483 --> 00:19:09,802
herd this year? Well, I think if number

533
00:19:09,802 --> 00:19:11,942
1 thing because we're still in the in

534
00:19:11,942 --> 00:19:13,686
the nursing period is if she lost her

535
00:19:13,686 --> 00:19:15,588
calf. So if the calf died,

536
00:19:16,635 --> 00:19:19,655
there there's... Even if she's red,

537
00:19:20,370 --> 00:19:22,277
you may still wanna go ahead and pull

538
00:19:22,277 --> 00:19:24,105
her and and sell her off.

539
00:19:25,232 --> 00:19:27,848
And instead of keeping her around for another

540
00:19:27,848 --> 00:19:29,751
year without a a calf on

541
00:19:30,623 --> 00:19:31,971
without we a calf this year.

542
00:19:32,779 --> 00:19:35,594
There might be some reasons to separate cows

543
00:19:36,371 --> 00:19:39,403
that not just not necessarily cool them, but

544
00:19:39,403 --> 00:19:41,891
separate them. So if I've got... Some younger

545
00:19:41,891 --> 00:19:44,682
cows that I have gotten thin. I might

546
00:19:44,682 --> 00:19:46,356
wanna separate them off where I can feed

547
00:19:46,356 --> 00:19:48,350
them more or even some older cows that

548
00:19:48,350 --> 00:19:50,596
have gotten thin. I wanna set trade them

549
00:19:50,596 --> 00:19:52,187
off where I can supplement them a little

550
00:19:52,187 --> 00:19:53,778
bit more than I need to the whole

551
00:19:53,778 --> 00:19:56,005
rest of the herd to reduce my feet

552
00:19:56,005 --> 00:19:56,323
cost.

553
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,280
That's anything you'd look at on cows at

554
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,631
this time to try to decide if you

555
00:20:00,631 --> 00:20:02,378
wanna remove them a little bit earlier?

556
00:20:03,173 --> 00:20:04,682
I mean, my first thing I came to

557
00:20:04,682 --> 00:20:06,112
mind was, you know, did they have the

558
00:20:06,112 --> 00:20:07,859
calf or not? I mean, other than that,

559
00:20:08,098 --> 00:20:08,549
I'm not

560
00:20:09,069 --> 00:20:10,587
1 thing to maybe keep an eye on

561
00:20:10,587 --> 00:20:12,585
a ask about this as well is is

562
00:20:12,585 --> 00:20:14,263
calf performance. If you've got a cap that's

563
00:20:14,263 --> 00:20:17,035
really pretty small for his age with them

564
00:20:17,394 --> 00:20:18,914
compared to the the other kids in the

565
00:20:18,914 --> 00:20:20,835
herd. I'm starting to con... Be concerned about

566
00:20:20,835 --> 00:20:23,075
her utter, does she have. Does she have

567
00:20:23,075 --> 00:20:24,914
a couple blind cord or something like that.

568
00:20:25,249 --> 00:20:27,004
And a lot of times those are are

569
00:20:27,004 --> 00:20:28,519
problems that aren't gonna get better next year.

570
00:20:28,918 --> 00:20:31,231
And again, if I can sell her, you

571
00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:33,943
know, ahead of the the low in the

572
00:20:33,943 --> 00:20:34,741
coal cal market,

573
00:20:35,314 --> 00:20:36,668
And when she still got some pretty good

574
00:20:36,668 --> 00:20:38,818
body condition on her, I might be better

575
00:20:38,818 --> 00:20:40,969
off to make those decisions earlier rather than

576
00:20:40,969 --> 00:20:43,040
later. That's been kind the theme as we

577
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:43,916
talked through and earlier.

578
00:20:44,490 --> 00:20:45,309
Some of those

579
00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:46,570
conditions,

580
00:20:47,049 --> 00:20:48,570
we have to think about, like, suit... So

581
00:20:48,570 --> 00:20:49,529
she has, for example,

582
00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:50,730
blind quarters.

583
00:20:51,210 --> 00:20:53,135
That's not getting better. Yeah. That's not gonna

584
00:20:53,135 --> 00:20:54,800
change over time. If she had some of

585
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,416
the other medical conditions that you mentioned, it's

586
00:20:57,416 --> 00:20:59,557
possible... It's likely. That it's gonna get better.

587
00:20:59,969 --> 00:21:01,806
But it's not a hundred percent guarantee. So

588
00:21:01,806 --> 00:21:03,482
it depends on where I am and where

589
00:21:03,482 --> 00:21:06,037
my herd size, where I want that to

590
00:21:06,037 --> 00:21:06,196
be.

591
00:21:07,474 --> 00:21:09,251
What about thin cows?

592
00:21:10,124 --> 00:21:12,678
Right right now, late summer, the rest of

593
00:21:12,678 --> 00:21:14,513
the herd looks great. I have 1 or

594
00:21:14,513 --> 00:21:17,626
2 cows that are really thin, and my

595
00:21:17,626 --> 00:21:20,036
options are, I could investigate do a health

596
00:21:20,036 --> 00:21:23,149
work up, or I could decide to just

597
00:21:23,149 --> 00:21:24,666
keep them and see if they're pregnant or

598
00:21:24,666 --> 00:21:26,023
not, or I could decide to call them.

599
00:21:26,183 --> 00:21:27,301
Where do you guys land on that?

600
00:21:28,353 --> 00:21:30,825
I guess. My first thing is is it

601
00:21:30,825 --> 00:21:32,499
is it health or is a nutrition? The

602
00:21:32,499 --> 00:21:35,369
main figuring out why they're so much thinner

603
00:21:35,369 --> 00:21:36,405
than the rest of the herd?

604
00:21:37,378 --> 00:21:40,334
And then I can make decisions from there

605
00:21:40,654 --> 00:21:43,130
based on what I think is best for

606
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:43,610
that cow.

607
00:21:44,419 --> 00:21:47,436
And maybe bringing in some records into that

608
00:21:48,071 --> 00:21:50,374
decision. Is she a Calf. I keep individual

609
00:21:50,374 --> 00:21:52,303
records. This is she a cow that normally

610
00:21:52,358 --> 00:21:52,858
produces

611
00:21:53,170 --> 00:21:55,730
a heavier calf than average, then maybe she's

612
00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:58,210
a really good milk. And for whatever reason

613
00:21:58,210 --> 00:22:00,950
this year, the the grass is just not

614
00:22:01,423 --> 00:22:03,818
up to par for her, but they're making

615
00:22:03,818 --> 00:22:05,654
getting all that information to make those decisions.

616
00:22:05,893 --> 00:22:07,489
I think it's it's kind of the way

617
00:22:07,489 --> 00:22:09,245
you said it. It's a decision in that

618
00:22:09,245 --> 00:22:10,932
win, you've got a group of cows they're

619
00:22:10,932 --> 00:22:12,205
all on the same diet. They're all on

620
00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:14,034
the same pasture. I don't expect them to

621
00:22:14,034 --> 00:22:16,102
have exactly the same body condition. Some are

622
00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:17,714
a little bit... Your keeper her something little

623
00:22:17,714 --> 00:22:20,434
bit less. So... But... And so when you

624
00:22:20,434 --> 00:22:21,634
have a cow that's kind of on that

625
00:22:21,634 --> 00:22:23,394
dinner end, maybe that's just typical for her.

626
00:22:23,555 --> 00:22:25,803
Maybe that's just normal and you know, she's

627
00:22:25,803 --> 00:22:27,550
still very productive Her calf is gonna do

628
00:22:27,550 --> 00:22:30,487
great. But then my animals that have problems,

629
00:22:30,725 --> 00:22:32,313
so there might be problems with their teeth.

630
00:22:32,551 --> 00:22:34,553
Might be problems with their digestive sis, liver

631
00:22:34,553 --> 00:22:36,228
of those types of things, they're also gonna

632
00:22:36,228 --> 00:22:37,903
be thin. So then my question is when

633
00:22:37,983 --> 00:22:40,136
I've got a thin count if she just

634
00:22:40,136 --> 00:22:41,572
she's fine, but that's the way she is,

635
00:22:41,811 --> 00:22:42,928
or is she 1 of these cows that

636
00:22:42,928 --> 00:22:44,776
has a problem. So that's kinda the work

637
00:22:44,776 --> 00:22:47,086
up the thin cow because I don't know

638
00:22:47,086 --> 00:22:49,952
at this stage whether it's honestly not a

639
00:22:49,952 --> 00:22:51,704
problem. Maybe she needs a little more nutrition,

640
00:22:51,864 --> 00:22:53,628
but maybe she's just a little bit thinner,

641
00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:57,278
or is this an early indication that, her

642
00:22:57,278 --> 00:22:59,182
actual weight is gonna continue to drop because

643
00:22:59,182 --> 00:23:01,420
she's got a serious problem. So how your

644
00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:02,929
veterinarian and kinda work it up really, see

645
00:23:02,929 --> 00:23:04,835
you figure out why? Figure out figure out

646
00:23:04,835 --> 00:23:06,583
what the answer is. And I think that's

647
00:23:06,583 --> 00:23:08,821
a a great point on you guys. Talked

648
00:23:08,821 --> 00:23:11,920
about a couple unusual cattle diseases, the heat

649
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,065
feeding and the marketing plans. So you guys

650
00:23:14,065 --> 00:23:16,066
covered a lot of ground today and Appreciate

651
00:23:16,066 --> 00:23:17,338
you hanging in there with us. If you

652
00:23:17,338 --> 00:23:19,088
have questions for us, you can always send

653
00:23:19,088 --> 00:23:20,996
us an email at bc at KSU dot

654
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edu d u.