1 00:00:08,015 --> 00:00:10,342 Hi, Welcome Bc Cattle on Brad White happy 2 00:00:10,342 --> 00:00:11,455 to have you with us And happy to 3 00:00:11,455 --> 00:00:13,205 have our guys here in the studio today. 4 00:00:13,443 --> 00:00:15,192 Good morning, Bob. Good morning. Good morning, Philip. 5 00:00:15,431 --> 00:00:17,498 Hey, guys. We're glad that you guys are 6 00:00:17,498 --> 00:00:19,247 here. We've got a couple folks out today, 7 00:00:19,406 --> 00:00:21,170 but We've still got plenty to talk about. 8 00:00:21,328 --> 00:00:23,394 In fact, I've got some questions for you 9 00:00:23,394 --> 00:00:23,712 guys. 10 00:00:24,666 --> 00:00:26,732 Also, we've got a listener question that was 11 00:00:26,732 --> 00:00:26,970 about... 12 00:00:27,701 --> 00:00:30,962 Utter development in He and nursing. And then 13 00:00:30,962 --> 00:00:33,110 we are gonna get Brian back in and 14 00:00:33,110 --> 00:00:36,311 have him discuss how antibiotics work. So pretty 15 00:00:36,311 --> 00:00:38,541 big question for Brian. So we'll wait tiny 16 00:00:38,541 --> 00:00:40,613 back in for that 1. But we will 17 00:00:40,613 --> 00:00:42,300 be able to address that before we get 18 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:43,574 into those, I wanna remind you if you 19 00:00:43,574 --> 00:00:45,564 have questions, comments, things you'd like us to 20 00:00:45,564 --> 00:00:46,917 talk about, You can send us an email 21 00:00:46,917 --> 00:00:48,987 at bc at KSU dot EDU. 22 00:00:49,638 --> 00:00:51,626 And before I get into my even more 23 00:00:51,626 --> 00:00:53,454 random questions. I do have 1 for you 24 00:00:53,454 --> 00:00:54,567 guys. I was 25 00:00:55,441 --> 00:00:57,349 in charge of dinner last night, and I'm 26 00:00:57,349 --> 00:00:59,853 afraid, I don't have a lot. In my 27 00:01:00,790 --> 00:01:02,067 toolbox as far as being able, so we 28 00:01:02,067 --> 00:01:05,020 had burgers. Mh, which is not surprised. But 29 00:01:05,180 --> 00:01:06,856 I thought I would pick your brains. When 30 00:01:06,856 --> 00:01:09,182 you're left to make dinner for the family. 31 00:01:09,739 --> 00:01:11,490 Do you have anything I could do... Now 32 00:01:11,490 --> 00:01:13,162 remember? My skill set is low. 33 00:01:13,799 --> 00:01:16,625 So what could I cook for the family 34 00:01:16,765 --> 00:01:18,924 besides burgers, and don't say steaks because I've 35 00:01:18,924 --> 00:01:21,004 already got that 1 down too. That that 36 00:01:21,004 --> 00:01:22,604 that was gonna be my answer. Okay. It's 37 00:01:22,604 --> 00:01:24,284 gotta be pretty simple. Can you follow a 38 00:01:24,284 --> 00:01:24,784 recipe 39 00:01:25,244 --> 00:01:27,495 for Not really. Oh, boys. 40 00:01:28,373 --> 00:01:31,168 Like you trouble. When... Let's see there's craft 41 00:01:31,168 --> 00:01:34,441 mac and cheese. Yeah. Amber helper. Yep. Yep. 42 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,077 What just kind of an egg scramble. You 43 00:01:37,077 --> 00:01:38,821 just... You scramble a bunch of eggs and 44 00:01:38,821 --> 00:01:40,010 then you open the fridge and see what 45 00:01:40,010 --> 00:01:41,199 else is in there, maybe some 46 00:01:41,992 --> 00:01:44,474 bacon or... It's chop ups some veggies and 47 00:01:44,474 --> 00:01:46,467 stuff. You can always kinda do that egg 48 00:01:46,467 --> 00:01:47,981 scramble, and that's kind of a... That's kind 49 00:01:47,981 --> 00:01:50,453 of a last minute. I can't kids don't 50 00:01:50,453 --> 00:01:52,460 like them black, though. That's all can truth. 51 00:01:52,699 --> 00:01:54,292 You do have it. Can you do pancakes? 52 00:01:54,531 --> 00:01:56,204 Mean you can do breakfast? No. I don't 53 00:01:56,204 --> 00:01:58,275 I don't like breakfast for dinner. Yeah. Alright. 54 00:01:58,609 --> 00:02:00,364 See you could see why my difficulties is 55 00:02:00,364 --> 00:02:02,380 coming from. Yeah. It may be so far 56 00:02:02,758 --> 00:02:05,152 I'm thinking call in the pizza place. Just 57 00:02:05,152 --> 00:02:06,837 starting to look about. The best you're gonna 58 00:02:06,837 --> 00:02:09,058 do. Alright. The burgers were excellent. Yeah, bet 59 00:02:09,058 --> 00:02:09,614 they were. So... 60 00:02:10,328 --> 00:02:10,566 Well, 61 00:02:11,201 --> 00:02:13,660 that will lead us directly into... I do 62 00:02:13,660 --> 00:02:15,430 have some questions for you guys, And and 63 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:17,849 we'll do this where we've gone through before 64 00:02:18,230 --> 00:02:20,550 relatively short as we go through, because I 65 00:02:20,550 --> 00:02:23,282 have several questions for you. And it's Philip, 66 00:02:23,442 --> 00:02:24,635 I'm gonna start out with you. 67 00:02:26,146 --> 00:02:28,294 If we're in a situation, some are grazing 68 00:02:28,294 --> 00:02:29,726 and you guys can either 1 jump in. 69 00:02:30,218 --> 00:02:32,204 But some are grazing, I've been putting mineral 70 00:02:32,204 --> 00:02:34,509 out all year, and then my mineral consumption 71 00:02:34,509 --> 00:02:37,290 has dropped by quite a bit. So I'm 72 00:02:37,290 --> 00:02:38,562 not putting mirrors as much out. 73 00:02:39,214 --> 00:02:40,808 Is this something I need to worry about? 74 00:02:40,968 --> 00:02:42,483 Do I need to move the mineral feeder 75 00:02:42,483 --> 00:02:44,817 changed to a different type of mineral? Or 76 00:02:44,954 --> 00:02:46,629 do I assume? Well, if they're not eating 77 00:02:46,629 --> 00:02:48,639 it, they're getting it somewhere? Well, I don't 78 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,796 know that you can assume that generally. Because 79 00:02:50,796 --> 00:02:53,912 generally, they're gonna consume mineral based on salt. 80 00:02:54,072 --> 00:02:57,205 So probably the reason they're not... Assuming mineral 81 00:02:57,205 --> 00:02:59,685 is because they're getting plenty of salt through 82 00:02:59,685 --> 00:03:01,525 the forage or somewhere else. 83 00:03:02,724 --> 00:03:03,044 So, 84 00:03:04,499 --> 00:03:07,290 we probably need to to think about how 85 00:03:07,290 --> 00:03:10,162 to get some mineral into them. So this 86 00:03:10,162 --> 00:03:11,598 time of year, I mean, we're in the 87 00:03:11,598 --> 00:03:13,533 summer probably starting some summer 88 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:16,479 supplementation subtype types and pro... Protein supplement. 89 00:03:17,038 --> 00:03:19,113 So have the mineral mixed right into your 90 00:03:19,113 --> 00:03:22,305 protein supplement is the best strategy, and then 91 00:03:22,305 --> 00:03:24,703 you they're gonna consume it right along with 92 00:03:24,703 --> 00:03:27,242 the protein up. Yeah. Control their control consumption, 93 00:03:27,321 --> 00:03:28,828 and be sure that if I've got it 94 00:03:28,828 --> 00:03:30,122 placed, it's placed 95 00:03:30,494 --> 00:03:33,452 high traffic. Area. So near the water, somewhere 96 00:03:33,452 --> 00:03:35,442 they can get to or somewhere they'll come 97 00:03:35,442 --> 00:03:38,307 to get it. Bob, next question for you, 98 00:03:38,785 --> 00:03:38,840 carry 99 00:03:39,911 --> 00:03:40,784 fly control, 100 00:03:41,577 --> 00:03:42,395 back rubber 101 00:03:42,926 --> 00:03:45,942 or get everyone in and individually apply an 102 00:03:45,942 --> 00:03:46,418 insect side. 103 00:03:47,132 --> 00:03:48,894 Well, You know, first of, I've I've worked 104 00:03:48,894 --> 00:03:50,243 with producers that have made a lot of 105 00:03:50,243 --> 00:03:52,625 different methods of flight control work. And so, 106 00:03:52,705 --> 00:03:54,610 you, I'm not gonna actually argue with anybody 107 00:03:54,610 --> 00:03:56,039 that has figured out a system that works 108 00:03:56,039 --> 00:03:58,042 for them. But I do like a back 109 00:03:58,042 --> 00:03:58,997 rubber in that, 110 00:03:59,872 --> 00:04:02,021 I think most cattle will use it, particularly 111 00:04:02,021 --> 00:04:03,851 again, it does have to be placed in 112 00:04:03,851 --> 00:04:05,283 the right place place in an area where 113 00:04:05,283 --> 00:04:06,886 they're gonna walk. Through anyway. 114 00:04:08,075 --> 00:04:09,819 And I do have to make sure that 115 00:04:09,819 --> 00:04:11,484 it's charged and that I've kept it full. 116 00:04:11,643 --> 00:04:12,832 I mean, so there's a little bit of 117 00:04:12,832 --> 00:04:15,233 work involved but it does allow cattle to 118 00:04:15,233 --> 00:04:15,631 basically, 119 00:04:16,109 --> 00:04:17,862 self medicate every day, 120 00:04:18,659 --> 00:04:20,252 or nearly every day, And I... And that's 121 00:04:20,252 --> 00:04:21,447 1 of the things I really like. It's 122 00:04:21,447 --> 00:04:24,412 relatively inexpensive way that... If it's placed right 123 00:04:24,412 --> 00:04:27,444 and it's charged and and kept up, it's 124 00:04:27,444 --> 00:04:30,338 a pretty good way to provide a, frequent 125 00:04:30,556 --> 00:04:33,275 fly control, and, you know, you know, there's 126 00:04:33,275 --> 00:04:35,738 stuff I like and don't like about every 127 00:04:35,738 --> 00:04:37,406 method of flight control. 1 of the things 128 00:04:37,565 --> 00:04:40,123 I don't like about ear tags is You 129 00:04:40,123 --> 00:04:41,795 start with 1 dose and then that dose 130 00:04:41,795 --> 00:04:44,581 gradually declines over the summer. When you're using 131 00:04:44,581 --> 00:04:46,332 a back rubber again as long as they're 132 00:04:46,332 --> 00:04:48,975 still insect insecticides out there, I'm I'm keeping 133 00:04:48,975 --> 00:04:50,807 the same dose throughout the summer. And so 134 00:04:50,966 --> 00:04:52,957 I I really like that. Yeah. The struggle 135 00:04:52,957 --> 00:04:55,187 is making sure that they all use it, 136 00:04:55,426 --> 00:04:57,511 and they won't all use it. So you 137 00:04:57,511 --> 00:04:58,784 have to you have to figure out whereas 138 00:04:58,784 --> 00:05:01,012 if I apply, your tags are insect insecticides, 139 00:05:01,489 --> 00:05:03,160 I gave all the same dose. 1 point 140 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,323 in time. Which is I I said there's 141 00:05:05,323 --> 00:05:07,391 there's positives and negatives for any way you, 142 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:10,254 provide the flight control and getting them all 143 00:05:10,254 --> 00:05:12,163 in and doing a a spray or a 144 00:05:12,163 --> 00:05:13,927 pour on. I That's a way to ensure 145 00:05:13,927 --> 00:05:16,074 that every animal gets it, but I'm gonna 146 00:05:16,074 --> 00:05:17,823 have to repeat that pretty frequently, and that 147 00:05:17,823 --> 00:05:19,731 becomes very labor intensive. But you also said 148 00:05:19,731 --> 00:05:21,322 you would argue with anybody about it than 149 00:05:21,322 --> 00:05:23,245 you argued with. Well, I'm I'm just saying 150 00:05:23,245 --> 00:05:24,835 there's always a plus in am mine. Nice 151 00:05:24,994 --> 00:05:28,096 bro account. Alright. Philip up, next topic for 152 00:05:28,096 --> 00:05:28,334 you, 153 00:05:29,686 --> 00:05:30,981 rapid cool season 154 00:05:31,435 --> 00:05:31,913 grasses. 155 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:34,162 I that we're growing rapidly, 156 00:05:34,802 --> 00:05:36,799 tried grazing them couldn't keep up with them. 157 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:39,276 So now I have a mix of some 158 00:05:39,276 --> 00:05:40,335 areas that are 159 00:05:40,729 --> 00:05:44,000 g really well. Some areas where it's gotten 160 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:44,500 too 161 00:05:44,878 --> 00:05:45,197 mature. 162 00:05:45,995 --> 00:05:47,591 Give me some ops should I go in 163 00:05:47,591 --> 00:05:49,597 and try to make hey in this scenario, 164 00:05:49,835 --> 00:05:51,982 should I continue trying to grade it even 165 00:05:51,982 --> 00:05:53,730 though it's gone to mature, Should I try 166 00:05:53,730 --> 00:05:56,036 to mow it in the cool season scenario? 167 00:05:57,149 --> 00:05:57,649 So 168 00:05:58,039 --> 00:06:00,430 at this point, we're probably past the idea 169 00:06:00,430 --> 00:06:02,183 of paying a cool season forage. 170 00:06:03,219 --> 00:06:03,719 So 171 00:06:04,095 --> 00:06:05,392 at probably, 172 00:06:05,944 --> 00:06:07,540 1 thing we could try to do though 173 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:10,014 is we... Thing on your situation, if you 174 00:06:10,014 --> 00:06:12,008 can adjust the size of your pastors or 175 00:06:12,008 --> 00:06:12,567 your pad. 176 00:06:13,699 --> 00:06:14,199 To 177 00:06:15,053 --> 00:06:16,646 shrink them down quite a bit, and we're 178 00:06:16,646 --> 00:06:18,898 gonna go more intensive grazing 179 00:06:19,354 --> 00:06:21,584 where we're gonna really... We're gonna force those 180 00:06:21,584 --> 00:06:22,514 animals to 181 00:06:22,953 --> 00:06:23,989 consumes some more of that, 182 00:06:24,707 --> 00:06:27,736 older mature forage, at least tram it down, 183 00:06:29,489 --> 00:06:31,836 and as they're in there, So that then 184 00:06:31,972 --> 00:06:33,483 once we start to get a little cooler 185 00:06:33,483 --> 00:06:34,994 weather here a little in another month or 186 00:06:34,994 --> 00:06:38,174 so, we get a good free growth, a 187 00:06:38,174 --> 00:06:40,420 good flush of... Of good cool season forge 188 00:06:40,420 --> 00:06:42,175 again. So I wanna get rid of that 189 00:06:42,175 --> 00:06:42,334 stuff. 190 00:06:43,132 --> 00:06:44,169 I could go in there and I can 191 00:06:44,169 --> 00:06:46,003 mow it off with a brush hog or 192 00:06:46,003 --> 00:06:48,816 something like that, but that's gonna be fairly 193 00:06:49,207 --> 00:06:49,524 expensive, 194 00:06:50,396 --> 00:06:52,695 but I can do some things about managing 195 00:06:52,695 --> 00:06:54,598 the intensity of my grazing. 196 00:06:55,232 --> 00:06:57,392 And I also need to to probably do 197 00:06:57,392 --> 00:06:59,248 a little bit of that anyway is where 198 00:06:59,705 --> 00:07:02,258 I'm allowing some of those pastors to get 199 00:07:02,258 --> 00:07:04,730 longer rest as that growth rate slows down 200 00:07:04,730 --> 00:07:06,620 in those cool season voyages in the... With 201 00:07:06,739 --> 00:07:08,575 the hotter weather. Yeah. Trying to trying to 202 00:07:08,575 --> 00:07:10,432 get them to utilize it, which 203 00:07:11,130 --> 00:07:13,067 utilization may involve consumption 204 00:07:13,445 --> 00:07:15,920 or tram. And so that way I get 205 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,274 the that plant to put up some new 206 00:07:18,334 --> 00:07:20,495 leaves and shoots and stuff when it cools 207 00:07:20,495 --> 00:07:22,014 off. Yep. Absolutely. 208 00:07:22,574 --> 00:07:25,467 So last question for you, Bob is pink 209 00:07:25,467 --> 00:07:27,295 eye related, and both of you and I 210 00:07:27,295 --> 00:07:29,679 have been frustrated by this disease and and 211 00:07:29,679 --> 00:07:32,087 we see it. And and specifically, 212 00:07:32,873 --> 00:07:34,088 when we think about 213 00:07:34,699 --> 00:07:36,685 identifying it, give me some things I should 214 00:07:36,685 --> 00:07:37,661 look forward to 215 00:07:38,670 --> 00:07:41,711 identify it in individuals and maybe determine 216 00:07:42,258 --> 00:07:44,166 Which 1 should I treat or not treat? 217 00:07:44,484 --> 00:07:44,723 Yeah. 218 00:07:45,518 --> 00:07:47,425 To deal with pink eye effectively, I'd like 219 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:49,254 to treat it as early as possible. So 220 00:07:49,254 --> 00:07:50,923 as soon as you see some tearing in 221 00:07:50,923 --> 00:07:53,252 the eyes... I would I would get those 222 00:07:53,252 --> 00:07:55,090 calves and treatment them. Again, I know that's 223 00:07:55,090 --> 00:07:56,768 not easy. A lot times were out on 224 00:07:56,768 --> 00:07:58,446 pasture, and it's a it's a difficult thing 225 00:07:58,446 --> 00:07:58,846 to ask, 226 00:07:59,485 --> 00:07:59,965 but 227 00:08:00,299 --> 00:08:02,053 It's not gonna get better on its own 228 00:08:02,053 --> 00:08:04,365 for a while. And so if you... You're 229 00:08:04,365 --> 00:08:06,517 gonna see it progress, and you'll you'll see 230 00:08:06,517 --> 00:08:08,112 some ulcers in the eye, you'll see more 231 00:08:08,112 --> 00:08:11,620 pain more. More calf performance losses. So the 232 00:08:11,620 --> 00:08:12,968 main thing is so as soon as you 233 00:08:12,968 --> 00:08:14,316 see any watering in the eye and you 234 00:08:14,316 --> 00:08:15,823 go well, it doesn't really look cloudy yet, 235 00:08:15,902 --> 00:08:18,226 it doesn't look red, treat it now. Treat 236 00:08:18,226 --> 00:08:19,742 it as soon as you see the watery. 237 00:08:20,859 --> 00:08:22,934 Exactly. And I think I think your your 238 00:08:22,934 --> 00:08:25,903 point there is this disease develops very, very 239 00:08:25,903 --> 00:08:28,779 rapidly. So you'll see that that progression from 240 00:08:28,779 --> 00:08:30,857 tier to have an a corn ulcer or 241 00:08:30,857 --> 00:08:32,635 scratch on the surface of the eye 242 00:08:33,108 --> 00:08:34,775 happens really quickly. Sooner we get them in, 243 00:08:34,855 --> 00:08:36,625 the better we have a chance of of 244 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,221 a good outcome. Yeah. Exactly. And the the 245 00:08:39,221 --> 00:08:40,570 success of treating 1 so that... 246 00:08:41,222 --> 00:08:42,815 There's quite a bit of damage to that 247 00:08:42,815 --> 00:08:45,364 eye. Our antibiotics probably aren't gonna make as 248 00:08:45,364 --> 00:08:47,116 much difference as they would have much earlier. 249 00:08:47,275 --> 00:08:48,549 Now sometimes we'll put a patch on them 250 00:08:48,549 --> 00:08:49,997 and we'll do some other things that that 251 00:08:49,997 --> 00:08:52,620 provides some relief, but we would have been 252 00:08:52,620 --> 00:08:54,369 a lot more effective if we had treated 253 00:08:54,369 --> 00:08:57,628 it earlier. Absolutely. Great answers, guys. Good good 254 00:08:57,628 --> 00:08:58,661 answers to those questions. 255 00:08:59,154 --> 00:09:00,835 And now I wanna hear your answer to 256 00:09:00,835 --> 00:09:02,195 a listener question. 257 00:09:02,674 --> 00:09:05,154 And this question is a really good 1 258 00:09:05,154 --> 00:09:06,835 because I think it involves a a couple 259 00:09:06,835 --> 00:09:08,115 different facets here. 260 00:09:08,767 --> 00:09:11,866 And they had a situation where they had 261 00:09:11,866 --> 00:09:12,366 he 262 00:09:12,820 --> 00:09:15,045 that were about 3 months bread. They went 263 00:09:15,045 --> 00:09:17,111 ahead and turned them in with the main 264 00:09:17,111 --> 00:09:19,351 herd. Makes it a lot easier management wise. 265 00:09:19,907 --> 00:09:22,450 The challenge that they're running into is some 266 00:09:22,450 --> 00:09:24,675 of the young calves that were born from 267 00:09:24,675 --> 00:09:25,969 cows in the herd 268 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:28,450 are now trying to nurse those He 269 00:09:29,463 --> 00:09:31,691 couple parts of this question. Do I have 270 00:09:31,691 --> 00:09:33,920 concerns that this is going to mess up 271 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,852 the He utter development 272 00:09:36,402 --> 00:09:38,469 And 2, what do I do to get 273 00:09:38,469 --> 00:09:40,854 the caps from to stop doing this. So 274 00:09:41,013 --> 00:09:42,922 Bob, I'm gonna turn to you first. Which 275 00:09:42,922 --> 00:09:45,008 can I answer either 1? Yeah. You answer 276 00:09:45,008 --> 00:09:46,127 the easy 1 we'll give the hard 1 277 00:09:46,127 --> 00:09:47,725 fill it? Yeah. Well, 278 00:09:48,844 --> 00:09:50,442 will it cause some problems to their editor 279 00:09:50,442 --> 00:09:52,200 development? I... I'm concerned that it could. 280 00:09:53,168 --> 00:09:54,993 And 1 of the things I'm concerned about 281 00:09:54,993 --> 00:09:56,898 developing the mass dye or something else like 282 00:09:56,898 --> 00:09:58,961 that. And so This is... I'm not gonna 283 00:09:58,961 --> 00:10:00,627 let this stand. I'm gonna try to... 284 00:10:01,598 --> 00:10:04,230 And probably that means, the easiest way to 285 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:05,665 make sure that it stops is to remove 286 00:10:05,665 --> 00:10:06,942 those he out of it. I think I 287 00:10:06,942 --> 00:10:08,298 was fine to put the he in there 288 00:10:08,298 --> 00:10:10,212 with the cows when they're on growing... Green 289 00:10:10,212 --> 00:10:12,217 growing grass But we've run into a problem. 290 00:10:12,455 --> 00:10:14,363 I think it's time to adjust that plan 291 00:10:14,363 --> 00:10:15,953 and and actually pull them out and put 292 00:10:15,953 --> 00:10:17,622 them where they're not with those calves. I 293 00:10:17,622 --> 00:10:19,053 think you're right. And and from some of 294 00:10:19,053 --> 00:10:22,328 my conversations the... We we often don't see 295 00:10:22,328 --> 00:10:22,828 mas 296 00:10:23,441 --> 00:10:23,941 in 297 00:10:25,110 --> 00:10:28,210 mature cows, but you certainly can develop it 298 00:10:28,210 --> 00:10:29,934 as a he if they're nurse on it 299 00:10:30,054 --> 00:10:33,231 other playing around and see those situations. Philip, 300 00:10:33,311 --> 00:10:34,979 what are what are your thoughts as far 301 00:10:34,979 --> 00:10:37,044 as... So bob Bob said, maybe get the 302 00:10:37,044 --> 00:10:38,950 he out of there will help solve the 303 00:10:38,950 --> 00:10:41,618 problem. Does and that he's concerned about. 304 00:10:41,997 --> 00:10:43,516 What are your thoughts on this 1? Well, 305 00:10:43,755 --> 00:10:45,433 I think 1 of the first questions I 306 00:10:45,433 --> 00:10:47,751 ask, why are they nursing on a effort 307 00:10:47,751 --> 00:10:49,210 that has no bag 308 00:10:49,761 --> 00:10:51,929 she's got no other development. She's 309 00:10:52,699 --> 00:10:53,732 providing no milk. 310 00:10:54,844 --> 00:10:56,750 It is the 3 months bread as a 311 00:10:56,750 --> 00:10:56,988 he. 312 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:00,027 So why are they nursing on her instead 313 00:11:00,027 --> 00:11:01,460 of the damn? I mean, I can I 314 00:11:01,460 --> 00:11:03,291 can see them maybe going to nurse as 315 00:11:03,291 --> 00:11:03,848 just a 316 00:11:04,405 --> 00:11:06,966 a comfort reflex? The dams were not no 317 00:11:06,966 --> 00:11:08,875 longer in there, but they're dam that's producing 318 00:11:08,875 --> 00:11:10,148 the milk is in there. So the question 319 00:11:10,148 --> 00:11:12,239 is why are they... And so 320 00:11:12,708 --> 00:11:15,489 are my are my mature cows thin? Have 321 00:11:15,489 --> 00:11:17,555 they really backed off their milk production, 322 00:11:18,588 --> 00:11:21,071 you know, start figure out maybe why those 323 00:11:21,071 --> 00:11:22,985 calves are wanting to nurse on those he 324 00:11:22,985 --> 00:11:24,899 instead of nursing on their dams. And so... 325 00:11:25,936 --> 00:11:27,291 And maybe I need to provide a creep, 326 00:11:27,451 --> 00:11:29,778 Maybe I need some additional nutrients, of those 327 00:11:29,778 --> 00:11:32,483 calves if my cows have really backed off 328 00:11:32,483 --> 00:11:34,075 in their milk production or something. But they 329 00:11:34,075 --> 00:11:36,224 you start figuring out maybe why that's is 330 00:11:36,224 --> 00:11:37,895 happening and them... Because there may be more 331 00:11:37,895 --> 00:11:39,822 to it than just so I need to 332 00:11:39,822 --> 00:11:41,656 protect the other development of the he. 333 00:11:42,853 --> 00:11:44,767 I need to figure out Mh. Why my 334 00:11:44,767 --> 00:11:47,000 calves are doing it because it's it made 335 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,936 very well be a nutritional deficiency 336 00:11:49,487 --> 00:11:51,479 thing they're just hungry. So we... And I 337 00:11:51,479 --> 00:11:54,288 think that's an important distinction is on the 338 00:11:54,426 --> 00:11:57,236 sign of the problem is the cab nursing 339 00:11:57,293 --> 00:11:59,718 he, but the actual root to the problem 340 00:12:00,093 --> 00:12:01,923 maybe the milk from the dams is what 341 00:12:01,923 --> 00:12:03,991 you're saying. So first you... First shoot check 342 00:12:03,991 --> 00:12:04,707 body condition, 343 00:12:05,517 --> 00:12:07,343 also wouldn't be opposed to getting some of 344 00:12:07,343 --> 00:12:09,327 those cows in if you can't see their 345 00:12:09,327 --> 00:12:11,074 ut well or even if you can see 346 00:12:11,074 --> 00:12:13,551 their at well and make sure that, she's 347 00:12:13,551 --> 00:12:15,858 actually got the milk that is necessary for 348 00:12:15,858 --> 00:12:16,734 those calves, 349 00:12:17,609 --> 00:12:19,280 because that may be kind of the root 350 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,446 because this is not normal. Behavior and that 351 00:12:21,446 --> 00:12:23,439 they would be trying to trying to nurse 352 00:12:23,439 --> 00:12:25,933 on. Now it is relatively normal 353 00:12:26,389 --> 00:12:28,542 that they'll once in a while, swap dams 354 00:12:28,542 --> 00:12:30,393 and still a bite here or there. Right? 355 00:12:30,553 --> 00:12:32,471 I mean, that that will happen, but you... 356 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:34,388 I wouldn't expect them to be going towards 357 00:12:34,388 --> 00:12:36,167 those he because those he 358 00:12:36,626 --> 00:12:38,554 at this point should have nothing in there 359 00:12:38,634 --> 00:12:40,862 At. Right, bob Yeah. And and I am 360 00:12:40,862 --> 00:12:43,011 kinda just guessing what might be going on 361 00:12:43,011 --> 00:12:44,524 here. It could be a behavioral thing where 362 00:12:44,524 --> 00:12:46,513 the hep don't know enough to keep those 363 00:12:46,513 --> 00:12:48,600 calves away. Know, maybe the other cows are 364 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,196 gonna, you know, kick, I'm in it could 365 00:12:50,196 --> 00:12:50,993 be pretty natural. 366 00:12:52,110 --> 00:12:54,662 So I... This is an interesting question because 367 00:12:54,662 --> 00:12:56,656 it... It's not typical. It's not normal It 368 00:12:56,656 --> 00:12:58,748 needs to be in negated. So III agree. 369 00:12:58,908 --> 00:13:00,586 But don't stop with just removing the he. 370 00:13:00,746 --> 00:13:02,744 Go ahead and figure out because if those 371 00:13:02,744 --> 00:13:05,221 cab are truly short on nutrition now. Can 372 00:13:05,221 --> 00:13:07,867 do address to address it. Yeah. Excellent. We'll 373 00:13:07,867 --> 00:13:10,089 appreciate you guys answering that question, and let's 374 00:13:10,089 --> 00:13:11,755 go ahead and get doctor Lube in and 375 00:13:11,755 --> 00:13:13,818 talk about antibiotics. Brian, I'm gonna turn to 376 00:13:13,818 --> 00:13:15,982 you first. We've had a couple listener questions 377 00:13:15,982 --> 00:13:18,314 along the same general theme and 378 00:13:18,769 --> 00:13:19,429 I'll para. 379 00:13:20,044 --> 00:13:20,862 They're basically 380 00:13:21,477 --> 00:13:23,800 how do antibiotics work. We've Seems like a 381 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,310 pretty simple question that you should be able 382 00:13:25,310 --> 00:13:27,240 to answer in 30 seconds, but I'm sure 383 00:13:27,296 --> 00:13:29,362 you'll be able to expand a little bit 384 00:13:29,362 --> 00:13:31,190 further. Maybe a little bit Yeah. Maybe a 385 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:33,189 little bit. Yeah. Give us a a little 386 00:13:33,189 --> 00:13:34,854 bit of background because I think the root 387 00:13:34,854 --> 00:13:36,623 of this question is 388 00:13:37,074 --> 00:13:39,295 how should I use them and when should 389 00:13:39,453 --> 00:13:41,143 I use? Them, but tell us a little 390 00:13:41,143 --> 00:13:43,621 bit about how antibiotics do work. Yeah. And 391 00:13:43,621 --> 00:13:45,459 and first of all, I think it's great 392 00:13:45,459 --> 00:13:48,176 that producers want more information and to be 393 00:13:48,176 --> 00:13:50,609 more knowledgeable, not. Just because 394 00:13:51,147 --> 00:13:53,065 they wanna do better on their operations, 395 00:13:53,705 --> 00:13:55,383 but a lot of times they get asked 396 00:13:55,383 --> 00:13:57,940 questions from consumers. And so, you know, if 397 00:13:57,940 --> 00:14:00,180 you're at educated user of antibiotics. 398 00:14:00,895 --> 00:14:01,951 I I think that 399 00:14:02,324 --> 00:14:04,626 portrays us in AAA much better light as 400 00:14:04,626 --> 00:14:06,690 far as how we use antibiotics and antibiotics 401 00:14:06,690 --> 00:14:09,337 stewardship. So I I think that that quest 402 00:14:09,337 --> 00:14:11,894 for information knowledge is great. And I'll I'll 403 00:14:11,894 --> 00:14:14,850 just say, I think probably the best resource 404 00:14:14,850 --> 00:14:17,598 is is talk to your veterinarian. And because 405 00:14:17,895 --> 00:14:18,852 a lot of times, 406 00:14:19,968 --> 00:14:23,078 the reasons why we might choose 1 antibiotic 407 00:14:23,078 --> 00:14:26,830 over another aren't necessarily related to activity. There 408 00:14:26,830 --> 00:14:28,260 there are a lot of factors we think 409 00:14:28,260 --> 00:14:30,326 about when we decide that this is the 410 00:14:30,326 --> 00:14:32,551 antibiotic we wanna use for this particular case. 411 00:14:33,203 --> 00:14:34,558 But to answer your question. So how do 412 00:14:34,558 --> 00:14:34,877 they work? 413 00:14:36,312 --> 00:14:39,182 Essentially, an antibiotic is is a chemical, 414 00:14:39,979 --> 00:14:41,037 and it somehow, 415 00:14:41,830 --> 00:14:45,350 interferes with bacterial growth or replication. That's the 416 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:46,730 that's the most basic 417 00:14:47,429 --> 00:14:48,950 definition. And there are lots of ways that 418 00:14:48,950 --> 00:14:50,309 they can do that. Lots of different ways. 419 00:14:50,470 --> 00:14:53,137 So we have We have antibiotics that inhibit 420 00:14:53,513 --> 00:14:56,379 bacterial cell wall growth. We have antibiotics that 421 00:14:56,379 --> 00:14:56,879 inhibit 422 00:14:57,414 --> 00:14:58,789 bacterial protein synthesis. 423 00:14:59,498 --> 00:15:01,509 We have antibiotics that inhibit 424 00:15:01,964 --> 00:15:04,826 bacterial replication by interfering with Dna and rna 425 00:15:04,826 --> 00:15:07,664 for the bacteria. And 1 of the things 426 00:15:07,784 --> 00:15:10,336 to keep in mind too. The antibiotics we 427 00:15:10,336 --> 00:15:10,836 have 428 00:15:11,293 --> 00:15:15,620 are good antibiotics because that they have selective 429 00:15:15,838 --> 00:15:18,872 activity against the bacterial protein synthesis, 430 00:15:19,268 --> 00:15:21,988 but not mammal million or human or bo 431 00:15:22,201 --> 00:15:24,991 protein synthesis. And so, you know, 1 of 432 00:15:24,991 --> 00:15:26,340 the questions we have is why don't we 433 00:15:26,340 --> 00:15:27,054 have more bikes. 434 00:15:27,768 --> 00:15:30,227 It's not because we can't develop molecules that 435 00:15:30,227 --> 00:15:33,345 kill bacteria because they aren't safe because a 436 00:15:33,345 --> 00:15:34,483 lot of these processes, 437 00:15:35,259 --> 00:15:38,928 protein synthesis Dna replication, mammals also have those 438 00:15:38,928 --> 00:15:42,314 processes. Yeah. So effective antibiotics that us so 439 00:15:42,612 --> 00:15:45,722 damage the host are not very useful. Not 440 00:15:45,722 --> 00:15:47,956 very useful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So as 441 00:15:47,956 --> 00:15:51,146 we think about those different mechanisms, but there's 442 00:15:51,146 --> 00:15:51,646 also 443 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:56,059 different classes or types of antibiotics. And 444 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,720 those impact both how we use them, and 445 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:01,159 I'm gonna say how we talk about them. 446 00:16:01,334 --> 00:16:03,411 For this conversation. So the 1 I'm thinking 447 00:16:03,411 --> 00:16:06,548 of is Ion fours. And Bob, would you 448 00:16:06,607 --> 00:16:09,966 qualify Ion fours as an antibiotic and what 449 00:16:09,966 --> 00:16:11,872 makes them may be different or unique than 450 00:16:11,872 --> 00:16:14,174 some of our other antibiotics. Yeah. So an 451 00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:16,159 antibiotic basically is just a natural substance that 452 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:17,056 is produced 453 00:16:17,604 --> 00:16:19,223 that inhibits other 454 00:16:19,682 --> 00:16:22,898 our other bacteria. And so, Ion, 455 00:16:23,437 --> 00:16:25,409 they the way they work is they change 456 00:16:25,609 --> 00:16:27,600 if you think remember that the rum is 457 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:28,796 a is a big vat, 458 00:16:29,513 --> 00:16:31,186 with a lot of different bacteria in it 459 00:16:31,186 --> 00:16:32,062 that are breaking down. 460 00:16:32,953 --> 00:16:35,282 Forage feed into usable 461 00:16:35,657 --> 00:16:37,009 products for the rest of the body to 462 00:16:37,009 --> 00:16:39,712 use. The muscles that kidney everything else. And 463 00:16:39,712 --> 00:16:41,008 so that bacterial 464 00:16:41,382 --> 00:16:42,678 population in the room and 465 00:16:43,308 --> 00:16:45,860 it it's a bunch of different types of 466 00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:48,253 bacteria. And so what ion do is they 467 00:16:48,253 --> 00:16:51,762 actually preferential kill some types of bacteria that 468 00:16:51,762 --> 00:16:52,695 aren't as efficient 469 00:16:53,291 --> 00:16:55,382 they produce some byproducts that aren't as useful 470 00:16:55,518 --> 00:16:57,268 to the animal. And so it gives a 471 00:16:57,268 --> 00:16:59,337 kind of a an competitive advantage. 472 00:16:59,829 --> 00:17:01,904 To the bacteria in the room that are 473 00:17:01,904 --> 00:17:04,717 the most efficient at turning forage and feed 474 00:17:05,255 --> 00:17:06,451 into usable, 475 00:17:07,503 --> 00:17:09,834 you know, proteins, energies, carbohydrates 476 00:17:10,210 --> 00:17:12,678 that the volatile fatty acids that that that 477 00:17:12,678 --> 00:17:14,987 the Bo uses. And so it's a really 478 00:17:14,987 --> 00:17:17,304 neat little it's in and again, it's just 479 00:17:17,304 --> 00:17:20,397 kind of moving the the microbial population to 480 00:17:20,397 --> 00:17:22,617 give an advantage to some bacteria and a 481 00:17:22,617 --> 00:17:25,025 disadvantage to others. Well, and the other thing 482 00:17:25,025 --> 00:17:26,865 about the ion for. And again, we talk 483 00:17:26,865 --> 00:17:29,285 about... There are lots of different things 484 00:17:29,585 --> 00:17:31,984 that a veterinarian would consider before they choose. 485 00:17:32,239 --> 00:17:35,596 1 antibiotic over another, in the ion 4s 486 00:17:35,890 --> 00:17:38,272 as far as importance to human medicine. So 487 00:17:38,272 --> 00:17:40,113 that's a factor we would think about Right? 488 00:17:40,352 --> 00:17:41,782 A lot of the antibiotics we use in 489 00:17:41,941 --> 00:17:44,109 Bo production are also 490 00:17:44,721 --> 00:17:46,787 not necessarily the same molecule, but they'll be 491 00:17:46,787 --> 00:17:48,456 in the same family or same class. 492 00:17:48,948 --> 00:17:50,696 As an antibiotic that is used in human 493 00:17:50,696 --> 00:17:51,093 medicine, 494 00:17:51,649 --> 00:17:53,239 the anna fours are the kind of 1 495 00:17:53,239 --> 00:17:55,543 exception and it's because of safety. Right? The 496 00:17:55,543 --> 00:17:57,308 fours aren't safe to use in people. 497 00:17:58,183 --> 00:18:01,229 And so that that has a different regulatory 498 00:18:01,683 --> 00:18:03,218 status when we think about 499 00:18:03,609 --> 00:18:04,887 importance to human medicine, 500 00:18:05,846 --> 00:18:08,263 promoting resistance. So if we use ion force 501 00:18:08,722 --> 00:18:11,372 in cattle production, their they're we've used them 502 00:18:11,372 --> 00:18:12,888 for a long, long time, and there isn't 503 00:18:12,888 --> 00:18:16,179 really evidence that they're promoting resistance in human 504 00:18:16,238 --> 00:18:18,152 bacteria. And so, you know, that... That's a... 505 00:18:18,551 --> 00:18:20,305 Again, 1 of those factors that we think 506 00:18:20,305 --> 00:18:20,599 about 507 00:18:21,117 --> 00:18:22,154 mechanism of action. 508 00:18:23,509 --> 00:18:26,378 We we do... There are different types of 509 00:18:26,378 --> 00:18:27,972 bacteria as kind of Bob mentioned, so we 510 00:18:27,972 --> 00:18:31,113 think about gram positive bacteria versus gram, negative 511 00:18:31,250 --> 00:18:31,568 bacteria, 512 00:18:32,284 --> 00:18:35,680 aerobic bacteria versus aerobic bacteria in 513 00:18:36,117 --> 00:18:39,004 some antibiotics will only work on 514 00:18:39,459 --> 00:18:41,608 gram positives versus gram negative. Their out forces 515 00:18:41,608 --> 00:18:43,677 would be 1 of those examples. Right? So 516 00:18:43,677 --> 00:18:44,472 if we know, 517 00:18:45,443 --> 00:18:47,195 what type of infection we have if we 518 00:18:47,195 --> 00:18:49,745 think about therapeutic uses, What type of infection 519 00:18:49,745 --> 00:18:52,135 we have, we definitely wanna pick a class 520 00:18:52,135 --> 00:18:54,547 of antibiotic that has activity against 521 00:18:54,859 --> 00:18:57,095 that type or if there's a couple different 522 00:18:57,095 --> 00:18:59,250 bacteria that may cause it. Pastor element h, 523 00:18:59,729 --> 00:19:01,725 causing respiratory disease, those are gram negatives. We 524 00:19:01,725 --> 00:19:03,721 wanna pick an antibiotic that has gram negative 525 00:19:03,721 --> 00:19:04,040 spectrum. 526 00:19:04,533 --> 00:19:07,475 Well, and another thing, so specifically for ion 527 00:19:07,475 --> 00:19:09,327 fours, different antibiotics 528 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:12,167 will go to different tissues. And and they're 529 00:19:12,167 --> 00:19:14,418 delivered in different away. So ion are delivered 530 00:19:14,418 --> 00:19:16,496 orally in the feed, and they tend to 531 00:19:16,496 --> 00:19:18,254 stay in the gut in the digestive tract. 532 00:19:18,493 --> 00:19:19,772 They don't go to the other tissues. 533 00:19:20,651 --> 00:19:22,545 And so that would be, you know, for 534 00:19:22,743 --> 00:19:24,175 those are the types of things that a 535 00:19:24,175 --> 00:19:26,959 veterinarian thinks about when they pick, which antibiotics 536 00:19:26,959 --> 00:19:29,107 uses is well... What tissue does it go 537 00:19:29,107 --> 00:19:31,352 to. What route of administration do we use 538 00:19:31,352 --> 00:19:32,626 so that it gets to the tissue that 539 00:19:32,786 --> 00:19:34,538 I want it to or maybe to not 540 00:19:34,538 --> 00:19:35,971 go to tissues that I don't want it 541 00:19:35,971 --> 00:19:38,933 to. You you mentioned Spectrum Brian. So... A 542 00:19:38,933 --> 00:19:40,364 lot of times they think of... And you'll 543 00:19:40,364 --> 00:19:43,226 hear the term broad spectrum antibody. Does that 544 00:19:43,226 --> 00:19:44,975 mean it gets everything and I could just 545 00:19:44,975 --> 00:19:47,770 use 1 antibiotic and get good at using 546 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:50,255 that 1, or am I gonna need different 547 00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:51,684 antibiotics for different circumstance? 548 00:19:52,136 --> 00:19:52,295 Well, 549 00:19:53,168 --> 00:19:55,525 actually, broad versus neuro spectrum is 550 00:19:55,882 --> 00:19:58,348 really poorly defined. But I mean, that's the 551 00:19:58,348 --> 00:20:00,576 general concept. Right? Is it broad spectrum, 552 00:20:01,451 --> 00:20:02,428 antibiotic covers 553 00:20:03,217 --> 00:20:05,848 gram positive and gram negatives. Arrow, and. Right? 554 00:20:06,008 --> 00:20:09,357 So they're they're big categories bit even there 555 00:20:09,357 --> 00:20:11,845 are exceptions within those and there's certain there 556 00:20:11,845 --> 00:20:14,664 are particular bacteria within each of those 557 00:20:14,964 --> 00:20:15,865 classifications that 558 00:20:16,244 --> 00:20:18,085 1 antibiotic may get and 1 may not. 559 00:20:18,244 --> 00:20:20,019 Right? And again, kind of boils down to 560 00:20:20,019 --> 00:20:22,819 the mechanism of action, So is it a 561 00:20:22,819 --> 00:20:25,460 protein synthesis inhibitor or a cell wall inhibitor. 562 00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:26,200 But 563 00:20:26,740 --> 00:20:28,507 I And 1 of the things when we 564 00:20:28,507 --> 00:20:31,530 talk about antibiotics and producers getting more information, 565 00:20:32,485 --> 00:20:35,285 we we tend to kinda get... Trapped with 566 00:20:35,444 --> 00:20:37,431 B. It's our biggest disease challenge. And we 567 00:20:37,431 --> 00:20:39,816 often think about B d, and most of 568 00:20:39,816 --> 00:20:42,996 the antibiotics are approved for B for those 569 00:20:42,996 --> 00:20:43,711 reasons. Right? 570 00:20:44,364 --> 00:20:46,440 And if you really if you really wanna 571 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,595 have a discussion and learn more about antibiotics 572 00:20:48,595 --> 00:20:50,352 and why you would choose 1 over another 573 00:20:50,352 --> 00:20:52,688 1. Again, I I would involve a veteran 574 00:20:52,826 --> 00:20:55,339 involve your veterinarian and, but think about different 575 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,859 kinds of cases. So 576 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,700 the antibiotic we choose 577 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,679 for Bo respiratory disease, 578 00:21:01,252 --> 00:21:02,782 caused by Mann jaime 579 00:21:03,154 --> 00:21:05,215 is may not be the same 1 we 580 00:21:05,215 --> 00:21:09,513 choose for my plasma pneumonia or certainly probably 581 00:21:09,513 --> 00:21:11,103 not the same 1 we would choose for 582 00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:13,806 my plasma, arthritis or ear infections. Right? Or 583 00:21:13,806 --> 00:21:16,112 think about foot rot is a different disease 584 00:21:16,112 --> 00:21:17,861 where the spectrum could matter, 585 00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:20,422 and you would pick it... You may pick 586 00:21:20,422 --> 00:21:23,206 a different antibiotic because of the difference. So 587 00:21:23,206 --> 00:21:25,058 think about different disease challenges 588 00:21:25,368 --> 00:21:27,197 and that'll help you get a little more 589 00:21:27,197 --> 00:21:29,662 understanding about different classes and what you should 590 00:21:29,662 --> 00:21:32,683 be using for those diseases. And basically, 3 591 00:21:32,683 --> 00:21:35,243 semesters of that's school. 3 semesters about school 592 00:21:35,959 --> 00:21:38,185 Would help to. But they're in and in 593 00:21:38,185 --> 00:21:39,934 1 of the I did answer 1 of 594 00:21:39,934 --> 00:21:41,843 the listener questions via email. He said, you 595 00:21:41,843 --> 00:21:43,768 know, talk to your veterinarian and We use 596 00:21:43,768 --> 00:21:47,201 formula. So those are... They're basically condensed books 597 00:21:47,201 --> 00:21:49,675 of drug labels. They often talk give a 598 00:21:49,675 --> 00:21:51,432 little background on the drug, how it works, 599 00:21:51,591 --> 00:21:52,150 the class. 600 00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:55,754 Some of them have doses, but, again, you 601 00:21:55,754 --> 00:21:57,030 really need to talk to your veterinarian when 602 00:21:57,030 --> 00:21:59,184 you get into the dose specifics, but they'll 603 00:21:59,184 --> 00:22:01,417 talk about side effects, spec. All the things 604 00:22:01,417 --> 00:22:03,665 we're talking about. That's all kinda condensed in 605 00:22:03,665 --> 00:22:06,616 a formula. And so for for general knowledge, 606 00:22:06,856 --> 00:22:08,849 that's good when you get into the specific 607 00:22:08,849 --> 00:22:09,647 clinical uses, 608 00:22:10,285 --> 00:22:12,612 certainly need to involve your veterinarian. Yeah. Some 609 00:22:12,612 --> 00:22:14,285 of the things that as a veterinarian you 610 00:22:14,285 --> 00:22:16,277 think about is... And and the reason that 611 00:22:16,277 --> 00:22:18,507 we don't want to overuse antibiotics. 1 that 612 00:22:18,507 --> 00:22:20,499 people are probably aware of is is resistance. 613 00:22:20,738 --> 00:22:21,295 We don't wanna... 614 00:22:21,867 --> 00:22:22,606 Select for 615 00:22:23,061 --> 00:22:25,367 resistance where the antibiotics don't work anymore. But 616 00:22:25,367 --> 00:22:26,322 there's other things too. 617 00:22:27,197 --> 00:22:29,043 There are some antibiotics that that might be 618 00:22:29,043 --> 00:22:30,717 kind of hard on the kidney it cause 619 00:22:30,717 --> 00:22:33,348 kidney damage if the animal is dehydrated. So 620 00:22:33,348 --> 00:22:35,820 the animal itself, it might be an antibiotic 621 00:22:35,820 --> 00:22:38,407 that would work if the animal was... Hydrated 622 00:22:38,464 --> 00:22:41,008 and and doing well other than what I'm 623 00:22:41,008 --> 00:22:42,757 trading it for. But if he's dehydrated and 624 00:22:42,757 --> 00:22:44,823 he's... That maybe a really go had bad 625 00:22:44,823 --> 00:22:47,066 choice. The other 1 when we talk about 626 00:22:47,066 --> 00:22:48,658 food animals, animals that are gonna go into 627 00:22:48,658 --> 00:22:50,648 the food system is how long they stick 628 00:22:50,648 --> 00:22:53,377 around the body, so the withdrawal time. So 629 00:22:53,529 --> 00:22:55,439 you know, 1 of the reasons that, we 630 00:22:55,439 --> 00:22:58,145 don't just use antibiotics without thinking about it 631 00:22:58,145 --> 00:22:59,339 is resistance, 632 00:23:00,453 --> 00:23:00,931 side effects. 633 00:23:01,585 --> 00:23:02,085 And 634 00:23:02,785 --> 00:23:05,105 withdrawal time. And so that's... Again, that's... It... 635 00:23:05,345 --> 00:23:07,205 It's kinda complicated pretty fast 636 00:23:07,825 --> 00:23:08,279 and 637 00:23:08,636 --> 00:23:11,650 making wise antibiotic decisions is really part of 638 00:23:11,650 --> 00:23:13,632 what both veterinarians and producers are asked to 639 00:23:13,632 --> 00:23:15,615 do. I think that's important and being able 640 00:23:15,615 --> 00:23:16,115 to 641 00:23:16,504 --> 00:23:20,175 justify your rationale that you selected that specific 642 00:23:20,175 --> 00:23:22,330 drug for that treatment, and that's where you're 643 00:23:22,330 --> 00:23:24,086 working with your veterinarian. And both of you 644 00:23:24,086 --> 00:23:24,586 mentioned 645 00:23:24,977 --> 00:23:26,722 go to the label. The other thing that 646 00:23:26,881 --> 00:23:30,056 I would say, different drug names or different 647 00:23:30,056 --> 00:23:33,904 brand names don't necessarily mean that they are 648 00:23:33,961 --> 00:23:36,428 dramatically different in term... Especially in terms of 649 00:23:36,428 --> 00:23:38,736 class of drug that they're in, meaning they 650 00:23:38,736 --> 00:23:41,537 may work very similarly to something else that's 651 00:23:41,537 --> 00:23:43,210 something that's hard to pick up unless you 652 00:23:43,210 --> 00:23:45,042 have some background knowledge. So talk talk to 653 00:23:45,042 --> 00:23:48,070 your veterinarian and great information. Appreciate both of 654 00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:50,141 you sharing some of that. And appreciate everything 655 00:23:50,141 --> 00:23:52,712 else. That we talked about today. And if 656 00:23:52,712 --> 00:23:55,029 you have a question topic or thing you'd 657 00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:56,867 like us to talk about on future, so 658 00:23:56,867 --> 00:23:58,625 send us an email, Bc at You.