1 00:00:07,855 --> 00:00:09,744 Hi, Welcome to Bc Cat On Brad White 2 00:00:09,945 --> 00:00:11,144 happy to have you with us today, and 3 00:00:11,144 --> 00:00:12,744 I'm happy to have a full crew here. 4 00:00:13,144 --> 00:00:15,705 Good morning, Bob. Good morning, guys. Dustin. Good 5 00:00:15,705 --> 00:00:17,880 morning. Philip. Good morning, guys. And we have 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,600 Doctor. Fred Gin from the American Association of 7 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:23,640 Bo Practitioners. He's their executive director. Good morning, 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,293 Fred. Hi, everybody. So we're happy to have 9 00:00:26,293 --> 00:00:28,710 him on because he's got his own podcast 10 00:00:28,930 --> 00:00:31,028 that he does through the Bo 11 00:00:31,406 --> 00:00:34,234 practitioners called Have you heard. And he is 12 00:00:34,846 --> 00:00:37,491 really good at identifying lots of new scientific 13 00:00:37,626 --> 00:00:38,024 topics, 14 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:40,963 great podcast if you're a veterinarian and wanna 15 00:00:40,963 --> 00:00:42,472 listen to something else while you're in the 16 00:00:42,472 --> 00:00:45,191 truck good chance to catch up on what's 17 00:00:45,191 --> 00:00:47,259 latest and we're gonna quiz for Adam, Fred 18 00:00:47,259 --> 00:00:49,589 adam, what's latest today, including 19 00:00:49,979 --> 00:00:51,894 talking a little bit about the high path 20 00:00:51,974 --> 00:00:54,766 Av influenza, how it's influence the cattle industry, 21 00:00:54,926 --> 00:00:56,601 what are some of the upcoming things that 22 00:00:56,601 --> 00:00:56,920 we see. 23 00:00:57,574 --> 00:01:00,126 As well as talk about some advances in 24 00:01:00,206 --> 00:01:02,439 Bo Medicine. And then at the end, I've 25 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:03,874 got some questions for you guys that we'll 26 00:01:03,874 --> 00:01:06,028 do kind of a rapid fire questions as 27 00:01:06,028 --> 00:01:09,159 we go through our final topic there. Before 28 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:10,359 we get into those, I wanted to remind 29 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:12,359 you if you wanna listen to 1 of 30 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:14,359 our other podcast podcasts, we have a Bo 31 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,560 Science with Bc, 32 00:01:15,974 --> 00:01:17,405 which a lot of times what we'll do 33 00:01:17,405 --> 00:01:19,337 is we'll talk about different 34 00:01:19,711 --> 00:01:22,415 manuscripts or scientific topics in a little bit 35 00:01:22,415 --> 00:01:24,244 more detail. So that one's a little bit 36 00:01:24,482 --> 00:01:26,726 different than this 1 and that we dive 37 00:01:26,726 --> 00:01:28,478 into some of the specifics that you may 38 00:01:28,478 --> 00:01:30,948 wanna listen to. Guys is as we were 39 00:01:30,948 --> 00:01:32,939 putting this together, we were talking about advances 40 00:01:32,939 --> 00:01:34,771 in Bo Medicine through our career, 41 00:01:35,980 --> 00:01:37,571 many have had kind of a in this 42 00:01:37,571 --> 00:01:39,958 room, I've had a career that has spanned 43 00:01:39,958 --> 00:01:42,185 decades now. So what it made me think 44 00:01:42,185 --> 00:01:43,799 of being summer was 45 00:01:44,269 --> 00:01:46,370 I wanted to see if you guys could 46 00:01:46,670 --> 00:01:47,170 identify 47 00:01:47,709 --> 00:01:48,209 summer 48 00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:51,150 blockbuster movies from the eighties. I have a 49 00:01:51,150 --> 00:01:54,517 list of the top. 10 summer blockbuster from 50 00:01:54,517 --> 00:01:55,075 the eighties, 51 00:01:55,633 --> 00:01:57,967 and I wanna see how many you guys 52 00:01:58,025 --> 00:02:00,178 can name. If you don't name 1 on 53 00:02:00,178 --> 00:02:02,184 the list, you're out we'll see who's the 54 00:02:02,184 --> 00:02:05,128 last man standing. Oh. Fred you're our guest, 55 00:02:05,287 --> 00:02:05,923 you get go first. 56 00:02:07,196 --> 00:02:08,094 About the terminator. 57 00:02:08,805 --> 00:02:08,965 No. 58 00:02:09,685 --> 00:02:11,444 Alright. Fred Fred didn't want to play it. 59 00:02:11,605 --> 00:02:12,805 I mean, you could've just said I don't 60 00:02:12,805 --> 00:02:13,605 wanna play, Fred. 61 00:02:15,685 --> 00:02:16,724 I like that 1, Fred. 62 00:02:17,780 --> 00:02:20,599 Mom, Alright. I'm gonna go with I wanna, 63 00:02:20,979 --> 00:02:22,900 the Harrison ford. Oh, what are they called 64 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:24,099 the? It's not an actor. 65 00:02:24,740 --> 00:02:26,979 Use I thing. Oh, I'm b on the 66 00:02:26,979 --> 00:02:28,830 names of the you know, the, temple of 67 00:02:28,910 --> 00:02:31,542 Doom and, you know, so the... Yeah, how 68 00:02:31,542 --> 00:02:33,855 what very difficult last name. Simple of doom. 69 00:02:34,094 --> 00:02:35,928 I will accept that. Okay. Fill. There you 70 00:02:35,928 --> 00:02:36,827 go. Ghost. 71 00:02:37,776 --> 00:02:39,230 That 1 is 72 00:02:40,002 --> 00:02:40,797 not in the top. 73 00:02:42,148 --> 00:02:43,182 That's gonna guess that too. 74 00:02:44,215 --> 00:02:44,613 Dustin. 75 00:02:45,423 --> 00:02:46,139 Dirty dancing. 76 00:02:46,696 --> 00:02:48,366 Oh, not in the top 10. 77 00:02:49,559 --> 00:02:50,434 Alright. I'm gonna go back... 78 00:02:51,627 --> 00:02:52,025 How about? 79 00:02:54,035 --> 00:02:55,073 How about the original 80 00:02:56,270 --> 00:02:56,669 top gun. 81 00:02:57,467 --> 00:02:59,223 The original top gun Yeah. Is on the 82 00:02:59,223 --> 00:03:00,180 list. Alright Alright. 83 00:03:00,913 --> 00:03:03,698 We're out. We lost Bob. He's The only 84 00:03:03,698 --> 00:03:06,245 1. So Bob, Bob could have named all 85 00:03:06,245 --> 00:03:09,067 3 of the Indiana Jones movies. Yeah. Batman. 86 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:09,758 Oh. 87 00:03:10,790 --> 00:03:13,409 Back to the future. Okay. Don't forget don't 88 00:03:13,409 --> 00:03:14,679 forget about Star Wars, 89 00:03:15,314 --> 00:03:15,814 and 90 00:03:16,124 --> 00:03:17,560 number 1, and I don't know why you 91 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,837 guys didn't have it right off tip of 92 00:03:18,837 --> 00:03:19,954 the tongue, e t. 93 00:03:20,992 --> 00:03:22,907 Yeah I finally. I forgot the phone home. 94 00:03:23,705 --> 00:03:25,555 So now now that we've done that part, 95 00:03:25,714 --> 00:03:27,868 Fred, we wanted to talk a little bit 96 00:03:27,868 --> 00:03:30,021 about, so the high path Avian influenza, 97 00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:32,653 and we briefly discussed this a few weeks 98 00:03:32,653 --> 00:03:33,792 ago. I know 99 00:03:34,184 --> 00:03:37,289 the Ab has been very involved in trying 100 00:03:37,289 --> 00:03:39,779 to generate and dis assimilate scientific 101 00:03:40,394 --> 00:03:42,225 information for investigations on this. 102 00:03:42,877 --> 00:03:45,340 Maybe give us a broad overview from your 103 00:03:45,340 --> 00:03:47,326 perspective of of where we are today. 104 00:03:48,279 --> 00:03:49,710 Where we are today is there's been about 105 00:03:49,710 --> 00:03:51,194 a hundred and 30 hertz 106 00:03:51,553 --> 00:03:53,781 impacted. I think they're supposed to a dozen 107 00:03:53,781 --> 00:03:54,020 states. 108 00:03:54,656 --> 00:03:56,646 Kansas is 1 of the states that has 109 00:03:56,646 --> 00:03:59,988 had herd affected. It's only been identified in 110 00:03:59,988 --> 00:04:00,466 dairy. 111 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:03,735 So has not affected the Fed cattle industry 112 00:04:03,735 --> 00:04:05,243 or Cal calf ranches, 113 00:04:05,878 --> 00:04:06,378 and 114 00:04:07,148 --> 00:04:08,179 it's it's 115 00:04:08,973 --> 00:04:12,199 been spreading. And right now, the the the 116 00:04:12,258 --> 00:04:14,492 the theory is is that there was 1 117 00:04:14,492 --> 00:04:16,966 jump from birds to cows, and now it's 118 00:04:16,966 --> 00:04:19,537 spreading from cow out either through introduction of 119 00:04:19,537 --> 00:04:21,475 lac dating dairy animals and nerds 120 00:04:21,854 --> 00:04:23,792 or via mechanical transfer. 121 00:04:24,171 --> 00:04:25,151 And then probably 122 00:04:25,784 --> 00:04:26,764 1 of the most 123 00:04:27,143 --> 00:04:30,840 important things for listeners to understand is pasteur 124 00:04:30,899 --> 00:04:33,536 milk is safe, Fda, Friday released, you know, 125 00:04:33,696 --> 00:04:35,135 a very comprehensive study. 126 00:04:36,027 --> 00:04:37,083 On commercial 127 00:04:37,458 --> 00:04:39,765 hospitalization. They've looked at multiple different dairy products, 128 00:04:40,004 --> 00:04:43,284 and it ina the virus. So drink pasteur 129 00:04:43,284 --> 00:04:45,761 milk or consuming pasteur dairy products is safe. 130 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:47,199 And then also, 131 00:04:47,919 --> 00:04:51,035 on the beef side, the Usda has confirmed 132 00:04:51,035 --> 00:04:51,535 that 133 00:04:52,008 --> 00:04:54,239 eating beef is safe that this virus does 134 00:04:54,239 --> 00:04:56,708 not pose a public health risk from, you 135 00:04:56,708 --> 00:04:58,722 know, consuming the products that we 136 00:04:59,113 --> 00:05:00,806 that we eat. They even in 137 00:05:01,260 --> 00:05:03,805 ground beef patties with virus and then cook 138 00:05:03,805 --> 00:05:05,656 those hamburger patties to media 139 00:05:06,111 --> 00:05:06,508 and 140 00:05:07,303 --> 00:05:08,678 inactivated the virus. So 141 00:05:08,988 --> 00:05:11,216 think that's pretty important for everyone to understand 142 00:05:11,216 --> 00:05:13,522 and it's important and for the veterinary industry 143 00:05:13,522 --> 00:05:15,591 to demonstrate that the products that our clients 144 00:05:15,591 --> 00:05:18,875 produce are are safe and tasty. Yeah. Absolutely. 145 00:05:19,114 --> 00:05:22,304 And I think that's the the human health 146 00:05:22,304 --> 00:05:24,139 side of it is is a part that's 147 00:05:24,139 --> 00:05:25,988 important to kind of iron out And we 148 00:05:25,988 --> 00:05:27,424 go back to the cal side when you 149 00:05:27,424 --> 00:05:30,215 say those herd are affected, The main thing 150 00:05:30,215 --> 00:05:32,369 that... What what some of the symptoms that 151 00:05:32,369 --> 00:05:35,240 cows show when they're impacted with this virus. 152 00:05:35,812 --> 00:05:38,748 Well, it... It's it's a bit strange because, 153 00:05:38,906 --> 00:05:40,969 you know, when we think about flu in 154 00:05:40,969 --> 00:05:43,508 humans or birds or other species, we think 155 00:05:43,508 --> 00:05:43,959 about a arrest 156 00:05:44,557 --> 00:05:47,265 virus that, you know, causes respiratory symptoms. 157 00:05:48,142 --> 00:05:51,089 With this virus, influenza AH5N1, 158 00:05:51,886 --> 00:05:54,454 in cows, it based quickly goes right to 159 00:05:54,454 --> 00:05:55,254 the m gland. 160 00:05:56,214 --> 00:05:59,254 They've even done some aerosol commercialization studies, and 161 00:05:59,254 --> 00:06:01,470 it's pretty much transferred in the male 162 00:06:02,066 --> 00:06:02,543 And 163 00:06:03,577 --> 00:06:05,406 what it does is it makes cows stop 164 00:06:05,406 --> 00:06:07,633 eating, stop rum eating and stop making now. 165 00:06:08,189 --> 00:06:09,803 And they do recover 166 00:06:10,193 --> 00:06:12,581 95 to 98 percent of them. And so 167 00:06:12,581 --> 00:06:15,049 that's that's you know, we're thankful that those 168 00:06:15,049 --> 00:06:17,358 animals do recover. But, you know, pretty much, 169 00:06:17,437 --> 00:06:17,937 it's 170 00:06:18,329 --> 00:06:20,404 significant economic hit to these da, 171 00:06:21,282 --> 00:06:23,596 when they, have 10 percent of their animal 172 00:06:23,596 --> 00:06:26,150 quit making milk. That probably if you look 173 00:06:26,150 --> 00:06:28,470 at know, our napkin math thus far is 174 00:06:28,470 --> 00:06:30,933 it probably costs about anywhere from a hundred 175 00:06:30,933 --> 00:06:32,840 50 to 250 bucks per cow. 176 00:06:33,555 --> 00:06:35,563 You is what the economic hit is on 177 00:06:35,563 --> 00:06:36,121 these da, 178 00:06:36,918 --> 00:06:37,477 in people. 179 00:06:38,354 --> 00:06:41,065 There's been 3 people affected. There there all 180 00:06:41,065 --> 00:06:43,867 dairy farm employees and the primary symptom of 181 00:06:43,867 --> 00:06:44,742 people is pink eye, 182 00:06:45,458 --> 00:06:48,265 because we have influenza receptors in our con 183 00:06:48,322 --> 00:06:50,884 of or in and There's been great research 184 00:06:50,884 --> 00:06:53,673 out that cows have those receptors in their 185 00:06:53,673 --> 00:06:56,701 ut. Mh. Interesting. Yeah. That's interesting that there 186 00:06:56,701 --> 00:06:58,294 would be that big a difference between species. 187 00:06:58,534 --> 00:06:59,512 We we often 188 00:06:59,824 --> 00:07:02,775 don't think about how different species respond, and 189 00:07:02,855 --> 00:07:04,849 I think a good point that you're making 190 00:07:04,849 --> 00:07:07,082 there that most times we think about influences 191 00:07:07,082 --> 00:07:09,729 as respiratory, but here, we're seeing memory you. 192 00:07:10,049 --> 00:07:11,407 Yeah. 1 of the things that... Yeah. I 193 00:07:11,567 --> 00:07:14,203 I think and and I really tip my 194 00:07:14,203 --> 00:07:16,041 hat to Fred and what he's done on 195 00:07:16,041 --> 00:07:17,810 a leadership side because we live in a 196 00:07:17,810 --> 00:07:19,561 world, you know, with the Internet and lots 197 00:07:19,561 --> 00:07:22,187 of information going around. 1 of the things 198 00:07:22,187 --> 00:07:24,097 that, I think when you have something new, 199 00:07:24,495 --> 00:07:26,379 like, we've really not seen this 200 00:07:26,896 --> 00:07:28,405 ad influenza jumped to cattle. 201 00:07:29,518 --> 00:07:31,027 There's a lot of questions from a lot 202 00:07:31,027 --> 00:07:33,354 of different people and Fred is has organized 203 00:07:33,823 --> 00:07:36,922 kind of weekly meetings to have the veterinarians 204 00:07:36,922 --> 00:07:37,717 that are on the ground. 205 00:07:38,432 --> 00:07:40,658 Producers that are affected or producers that are 206 00:07:40,658 --> 00:07:41,158 interested 207 00:07:41,468 --> 00:07:42,978 well as some of the regulatory people all 208 00:07:42,978 --> 00:07:45,703 get together and without that effort 209 00:07:46,077 --> 00:07:48,246 to have some miscommunication, I think 210 00:07:48,620 --> 00:07:49,971 miscommunication could happen really easily. 211 00:07:51,583 --> 00:07:53,660 What have you kinda... So, first of all, 212 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:56,297 thank you for kinda making sure that that 213 00:07:56,297 --> 00:07:57,736 those groups are talking to each other because 214 00:07:57,736 --> 00:07:59,187 you would think, oh, well, for don't talk 215 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:01,255 to each other without Fred stepping in, but 216 00:08:01,414 --> 00:08:03,005 I'm not sure that would have happened. Well, 217 00:08:03,402 --> 00:08:05,471 thanks, Bob. I appreciate that. You know, it's 218 00:08:05,471 --> 00:08:07,637 it's really, I'm just the organizer. It's all 219 00:08:07,637 --> 00:08:09,391 the smart people that are figuring this out. 220 00:08:09,550 --> 00:08:11,941 You know, when we initially met, it was 221 00:08:11,941 --> 00:08:13,695 before we knew what this disease was. It 222 00:08:13,695 --> 00:08:15,856 was was just very veterinarians and the Texas 223 00:08:15,856 --> 00:08:17,606 panhandle handle saying something weird going on here. 224 00:08:17,844 --> 00:08:19,196 We don't know what it is. And 225 00:08:19,911 --> 00:08:21,661 and so initially, when we met it was 226 00:08:21,661 --> 00:08:24,064 to try to collaborate and in figure that 227 00:08:24,064 --> 00:08:25,902 out. And then once the diagnosis was done, 228 00:08:26,062 --> 00:08:29,577 we'd primarily focused on, you know, collaboration, sharing, 229 00:08:30,297 --> 00:08:31,036 case histories, 230 00:08:31,735 --> 00:08:35,100 research and laboratory reports and whatnot. So, you 231 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,014 know, it's been a good effort. Thank I'm 232 00:08:37,014 --> 00:08:39,805 thankful for the Aa members that have participated 233 00:08:39,805 --> 00:08:42,294 and really are driving the ship. So what 234 00:08:42,294 --> 00:08:44,455 are what are the next steps in the 235 00:08:44,455 --> 00:08:46,294 process for Edward or do you have kind 236 00:08:46,294 --> 00:08:48,934 of the next parts outlined? Well, I think 237 00:08:48,934 --> 00:08:50,774 the the next parts are. We really have 238 00:08:50,774 --> 00:08:52,962 to get a really good handle on how 239 00:08:53,098 --> 00:08:55,484 exactly the virus is being transmitted, and I 240 00:08:55,484 --> 00:08:56,995 think we're learning more and more about that 241 00:08:56,995 --> 00:08:58,744 every day. You know, goodness. It's only been 242 00:08:58,744 --> 00:09:00,573 3 months, just a little over 3 months, 243 00:09:00,812 --> 00:09:02,899 and they've already figured out a lot. 244 00:09:03,776 --> 00:09:06,327 And then we need to encourage dairy farms 245 00:09:06,327 --> 00:09:06,965 to report. 246 00:09:07,763 --> 00:09:09,676 That's the major barrier right now. 247 00:09:10,488 --> 00:09:12,477 They don't wanna be identified as being a 248 00:09:12,477 --> 00:09:13,272 positive heard. 249 00:09:13,908 --> 00:09:16,215 They're concerned about their, you know, the workers 250 00:09:16,215 --> 00:09:18,220 on their farm. They're not concerned about their 251 00:09:18,220 --> 00:09:20,690 milk market and whatnot. So we we need 252 00:09:20,690 --> 00:09:22,363 to get a really good grasp on where 253 00:09:22,363 --> 00:09:23,957 this virus is. And then I think we 254 00:09:23,957 --> 00:09:26,879 need to focus efforts on prevention and that 255 00:09:27,238 --> 00:09:29,572 may or may not include of 256 00:09:29,948 --> 00:09:32,260 vaccinations so there's some discussions going on with 257 00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:33,934 that right now and what some of the 258 00:09:33,934 --> 00:09:35,050 opportunities and challenges. 259 00:09:35,544 --> 00:09:38,264 So appreciate your leadership on that and keeping 260 00:09:38,264 --> 00:09:39,705 everybody up to date. I would say 1 261 00:09:39,705 --> 00:09:42,664 of the things about their reporting. Those requirements 262 00:09:42,664 --> 00:09:45,066 vary state. State based on movement and how 263 00:09:45,066 --> 00:09:46,574 that's set up. So if you're if you 264 00:09:46,574 --> 00:09:49,297 have questions about that, contact your local veterinarian 265 00:09:49,432 --> 00:09:51,338 and or your state veterinarian and they will 266 00:09:51,338 --> 00:09:53,339 help you figure out what is the right 267 00:09:53,339 --> 00:09:55,088 thing to do in each situation and when 268 00:09:55,088 --> 00:09:57,076 you might need to test? So thanks, Fred 269 00:09:57,076 --> 00:09:59,859 for your leadership? So I'm gonna shift gears 270 00:09:59,859 --> 00:10:02,419 and I'd like to talk about advances in 271 00:10:02,419 --> 00:10:05,362 in Medicine, but I'm gonna I'm gonna change 272 00:10:05,362 --> 00:10:06,794 it a little bit on you guys, and 273 00:10:06,794 --> 00:10:08,955 we've talked about to things that maybe you've 274 00:10:08,955 --> 00:10:10,465 seen over your career, but I want you 275 00:10:10,465 --> 00:10:12,293 to project forward and Fred and Bob, I'm 276 00:10:12,293 --> 00:10:14,438 gonna start with you guys as veterinarians and 277 00:10:14,438 --> 00:10:17,004 then bob, or Dustin and Philip up, I'm 278 00:10:17,004 --> 00:10:18,920 gonna turn to you guys and say, what 279 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,457 do you guys see as 280 00:10:20,835 --> 00:10:23,640 what's next in veterinary medicines. So what are 281 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,544 the next things that are coming that you 282 00:10:25,544 --> 00:10:26,441 think either 283 00:10:26,813 --> 00:10:28,796 are used a small amount now and we'll 284 00:10:28,796 --> 00:10:31,591 be used much more. So or maybe something 285 00:10:31,591 --> 00:10:33,579 that's not even used yet. Bob, I'm gonna 286 00:10:33,579 --> 00:10:34,294 start with you first. 287 00:10:35,805 --> 00:10:36,305 So 288 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:38,111 I think 1 of... And I'm gonna go 289 00:10:38,111 --> 00:10:39,556 back too. I I like to read some 290 00:10:39,556 --> 00:10:40,351 of these older, 291 00:10:41,304 --> 00:10:43,291 books that I Might I go to garage 292 00:10:43,291 --> 00:10:43,847 sales whatever room, 293 00:10:44,642 --> 00:10:47,046 old veterinary books too And it is interesting 294 00:10:47,046 --> 00:10:48,802 to see 2 things that are really interesting. 295 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,036 Some things, you know, you can read a 296 00:10:51,036 --> 00:10:52,792 book from the late 18 hundreds or early 297 00:10:52,792 --> 00:10:55,205 19 hundreds, and and they they were spot 298 00:10:55,205 --> 00:10:56,404 on. Those guys understood, 299 00:10:57,044 --> 00:10:59,125 the disease process and the best treatments just 300 00:10:59,125 --> 00:11:00,725 as well as we do today. And other 301 00:11:00,725 --> 00:11:02,659 things they were way off on. So you 302 00:11:02,659 --> 00:11:04,254 know, looking into the future. It's, like, well, 303 00:11:04,493 --> 00:11:06,248 I bet that trend continues. 304 00:11:06,727 --> 00:11:08,162 I'll bet there's some things that we're just 305 00:11:08,162 --> 00:11:10,077 nailing and some things that we don't we 306 00:11:10,077 --> 00:11:12,092 don't quite figure out. And 307 00:11:12,643 --> 00:11:15,046 what I see us moving towards in the 308 00:11:15,101 --> 00:11:15,656 future is, 309 00:11:16,846 --> 00:11:18,511 I I think, like, ef Fred said, you 310 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:21,464 know, disease control is... So It's either. Well, 311 00:11:21,862 --> 00:11:24,647 maybe it's either easy or it isn't. And 312 00:11:24,647 --> 00:11:26,080 first so I'll go back to the, you 313 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,751 know, things they got right in the 18 314 00:11:27,751 --> 00:11:27,990 eighties. 315 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,870 They were pretty straightforward, and we figured them 316 00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:32,461 out and we understood it. Things that were 317 00:11:32,461 --> 00:11:34,848 complicated then are still complicated. Now things with 318 00:11:34,848 --> 00:11:37,730 a lot of different modes of transmission. You 319 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:39,889 know, how does how does the bacteria virus 320 00:11:39,889 --> 00:11:41,649 move from 1 angle to the next? Things 321 00:11:41,649 --> 00:11:43,490 that have a lot of other factors, you 322 00:11:43,490 --> 00:11:45,570 know, the nutritional aspect or something. So anything 323 00:11:45,570 --> 00:11:48,085 that makes a disease process complicated. 324 00:11:48,785 --> 00:11:50,865 We may still be struggling with this 20 325 00:11:50,865 --> 00:11:52,065 years, 40 years from now. 326 00:11:53,105 --> 00:11:55,359 And so it... So working with clients. It's 327 00:11:55,359 --> 00:11:57,356 helping them understand that. Yeah. There's there's some 328 00:11:57,356 --> 00:11:59,115 things in animal health that we understand we 329 00:11:59,115 --> 00:12:00,553 know what to do, we can make a 330 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:03,030 big impact. And there's other things that we 331 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:04,638 still don't and So when I look into 332 00:12:04,638 --> 00:12:06,885 the future, I still... I see those 2 333 00:12:07,178 --> 00:12:08,790 aspects you're gonna lean on your veterinarian 334 00:12:09,163 --> 00:12:09,663 for 335 00:12:10,116 --> 00:12:12,914 clear answers on some things. And just guidance 336 00:12:12,914 --> 00:12:15,065 on back to the basics of animal husband 337 00:12:15,065 --> 00:12:16,658 or Nutrition and those kinds of things because 338 00:12:16,658 --> 00:12:18,571 we we don't have the details figured out 339 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:20,961 again. Fred, what do you see coming? What's 340 00:12:20,961 --> 00:12:21,040 net? 341 00:12:21,773 --> 00:12:24,005 Well, follow up on Bob, 1 of my 342 00:12:24,005 --> 00:12:26,476 most cherished books is from my grandfather. It's 343 00:12:26,476 --> 00:12:28,707 from the early 19 hundreds at Usda book 344 00:12:28,707 --> 00:12:31,355 on cattle care. It is really interesting to 345 00:12:31,355 --> 00:12:33,191 read how they used to treat cattle, you 346 00:12:33,191 --> 00:12:36,065 know, pre antibiotic. You need, you know, pre 347 00:12:36,065 --> 00:12:37,901 calcium and all that stuff. So pretty cool. 348 00:12:38,060 --> 00:12:39,663 But you know, I think we're on the 349 00:12:39,663 --> 00:12:40,297 cusp of 350 00:12:40,931 --> 00:12:43,412 some major advances in both beef and dairy 351 00:12:43,467 --> 00:12:46,099 production with using genomics and genetics. You you 352 00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:49,043 know, the University of Nebraska had some researchers 353 00:12:49,043 --> 00:12:49,362 that 354 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:53,045 just produced the first B resistant calf using 355 00:12:53,102 --> 00:12:53,421 genomics. 356 00:12:53,913 --> 00:12:56,063 And you think about, you know, in the 357 00:12:56,063 --> 00:12:58,849 beef industry if we can produce disease resistant 358 00:12:58,849 --> 00:13:01,850 animals naturally, the impact that would have on 359 00:13:01,970 --> 00:13:05,569 productivity on welfare on health on antimicrobial stewardship. 360 00:13:05,970 --> 00:13:07,730 I think it's just huge. 361 00:13:08,129 --> 00:13:10,209 And I also think that there's just big 362 00:13:10,209 --> 00:13:11,625 opportunities, you know, look at some of the 363 00:13:11,904 --> 00:13:15,021 differences between beef and dairy with 97 percent 364 00:13:15,021 --> 00:13:17,918 of the beef breed animals born cold and 365 00:13:17,978 --> 00:13:20,055 very few of the dairy breeds born cold, 366 00:13:20,774 --> 00:13:22,640 Huge if we could fix that with the 367 00:13:22,696 --> 00:13:23,196 genetic 368 00:13:23,728 --> 00:13:26,032 manipulation, I think that that is huge. And, 369 00:13:26,111 --> 00:13:27,700 you know, even some of the other things, 370 00:13:27,938 --> 00:13:30,423 can we produce a... If of male calf 371 00:13:30,423 --> 00:13:31,621 that doesn't grow test. 372 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:34,337 Boy. That'd be neat. I think all of 373 00:13:34,337 --> 00:13:36,595 those things are really gonna impact 374 00:13:37,069 --> 00:13:37,888 how we 375 00:13:38,425 --> 00:13:40,341 prevent disease as well as, 376 00:13:40,900 --> 00:13:43,614 manage cattle in in the future. I think 377 00:13:43,614 --> 00:13:45,784 1 of the unfortunate things I was talking 378 00:13:45,784 --> 00:13:47,063 to a student. I said, you know, 1 379 00:13:47,063 --> 00:13:49,380 of the unfortunate things about our own mortality 380 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:50,819 is we're not gonna live long enough to 381 00:13:50,819 --> 00:13:52,977 see the really cool things that our grandchildren 382 00:13:52,977 --> 00:13:54,950 are gonna get a c. And they're they're 383 00:13:55,229 --> 00:13:57,302 some cool things coming in that space. Yeah. 384 00:13:57,621 --> 00:13:59,217 I think you're right. Those are those are 385 00:13:59,217 --> 00:14:01,290 all great ideas. And and we may see 386 00:14:01,290 --> 00:14:04,901 more expansion in that area. Philip? What? So 387 00:14:05,133 --> 00:14:06,961 being nutrition. I'm gonna take it from a 388 00:14:06,961 --> 00:14:10,004 nutrition angle. Know, we're learning more and more 389 00:14:10,299 --> 00:14:11,275 about how 390 00:14:11,809 --> 00:14:15,830 the gut microbiome is related to different 391 00:14:16,610 --> 00:14:19,250 disease, processes or syndromes and things like that. 392 00:14:19,889 --> 00:14:22,129 And we do in humans, we do this 393 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:23,985 a little bit, but I think Right now 394 00:14:23,985 --> 00:14:24,705 in livestock, 395 00:14:25,105 --> 00:14:27,925 our nutrition is based on performance. We're we're... 396 00:14:28,305 --> 00:14:30,625 We are formulating diets to get certain level 397 00:14:30,625 --> 00:14:32,954 of performance. But I think as we move 398 00:14:32,954 --> 00:14:35,662 forward, we're gonna start doing more and more 399 00:14:35,662 --> 00:14:36,799 with nutrition 400 00:14:37,176 --> 00:14:37,676 to 401 00:14:38,769 --> 00:14:42,293 combat or prevent disease. So we're gonna be 402 00:14:42,293 --> 00:14:44,050 learning more and more about how we can 403 00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:46,707 formulate a diet to keep animals 404 00:14:47,325 --> 00:14:47,725 healthier. 405 00:14:48,139 --> 00:14:49,646 And I think a great point there on 406 00:14:49,646 --> 00:14:51,788 the microbiome. So for a long time, we've 407 00:14:51,788 --> 00:14:53,057 focused on individual, 408 00:14:53,612 --> 00:14:54,747 primarily pathogens. 409 00:14:55,454 --> 00:14:57,692 But now we're saying they're actually part of 410 00:14:57,692 --> 00:14:59,850 it their own environment, which I think is 411 00:14:59,850 --> 00:15:01,788 is great to think about both dietary 412 00:15:02,247 --> 00:15:04,165 and for other health aspects. Dustin. 413 00:15:04,899 --> 00:15:07,047 Kinda following up, I think with what Fred 414 00:15:07,047 --> 00:15:07,603 was saying, 415 00:15:08,797 --> 00:15:10,092 technologies, just 416 00:15:10,547 --> 00:15:12,471 technologies that allow us to collect. More data, 417 00:15:12,789 --> 00:15:15,039 and we can do more, you know, analyses 418 00:15:15,096 --> 00:15:17,482 and whether it's real time or not, but 419 00:15:17,482 --> 00:15:19,888 coming from a, data coming from an economist 420 00:15:19,888 --> 00:15:22,365 is, you know, we like study data. Just 421 00:15:22,365 --> 00:15:24,203 the new technologies that are coming online that 422 00:15:24,203 --> 00:15:26,120 allows collect more data that we can maybe 423 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,090 do some more real time, diagnosis or stuff 424 00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:30,766 like that. Think of all the graphs you'll 425 00:15:30,766 --> 00:15:32,384 be able to make. I know honestly 426 00:15:34,598 --> 00:15:37,083 That's what you're excited about. Real Alright. Great 427 00:15:37,083 --> 00:15:38,910 great ideas for the future there, guys. And 428 00:15:38,989 --> 00:15:40,418 I think it's... It'll be fun to watch 429 00:15:40,418 --> 00:15:43,357 those develop. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna ask 430 00:15:43,357 --> 00:15:45,763 you guys some questions, and these are all 431 00:15:45,914 --> 00:15:48,309 short answer questions and anybody else can can 432 00:15:48,309 --> 00:15:50,385 jump in. But Fred, I'm gonna start with 433 00:15:50,385 --> 00:15:53,099 you. So X is a sedative that is 434 00:15:53,099 --> 00:15:54,775 used in cattle. 435 00:15:55,349 --> 00:15:57,666 And there has been some some questions about 436 00:15:57,666 --> 00:16:00,463 it recently. Maybe first outline the problem and 437 00:16:00,463 --> 00:16:02,780 then tell us whether... What is the solution? 438 00:16:03,273 --> 00:16:05,524 Well, the the problem is is that X 439 00:16:05,662 --> 00:16:09,324 is being illegally imported and mixed into illicit 440 00:16:09,324 --> 00:16:11,728 drugs and people are, dying. From it. 441 00:16:12,684 --> 00:16:13,423 And so 442 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:14,299 the 443 00:16:14,675 --> 00:16:15,892 approach from the Dea 444 00:16:16,348 --> 00:16:19,694 has been to schedule it, to increase penalties 445 00:16:19,694 --> 00:16:20,592 and enforcement 446 00:16:20,904 --> 00:16:23,464 And the concern is is that 447 00:16:23,944 --> 00:16:26,745 it's the only sedative that's effective in cattle. 448 00:16:27,225 --> 00:16:29,865 Many producers are probably familiar with their veterinarians 449 00:16:29,865 --> 00:16:31,318 using it to at 8 cattle, 450 00:16:31,956 --> 00:16:35,148 and it it's used extensively. It's cheap, and 451 00:16:35,148 --> 00:16:35,946 it's effective. 452 00:16:36,505 --> 00:16:36,824 And, 453 00:16:37,622 --> 00:16:40,024 the concern is is that if it's if 454 00:16:40,024 --> 00:16:40,524 it's 455 00:16:41,135 --> 00:16:42,643 identified as a controlled substance, 456 00:16:43,436 --> 00:16:45,738 veterinarians may not have access to it anymore. 457 00:16:46,373 --> 00:16:48,940 Fat, it may put burden on manufacturers. There's 458 00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:50,940 only 2 companies make it. 1 said they'd 459 00:16:50,940 --> 00:16:53,100 quit making if it was scheduled. So, you 460 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:55,820 know, our main concern is, number 1, protect 461 00:16:55,820 --> 00:16:57,672 the public health. We don't want you know, 462 00:16:57,831 --> 00:17:00,719 what to be diverted into or or illegally 463 00:17:00,776 --> 00:17:03,084 imported into the human, you know, drug crisis. 464 00:17:03,243 --> 00:17:06,029 So is rampant it in this country. But 465 00:17:06,029 --> 00:17:08,189 number 2, we wanna make sure that veterinarians 466 00:17:08,189 --> 00:17:10,093 still have access to it, so they can, 467 00:17:10,172 --> 00:17:12,631 you know, safely work around cattle when needed. 468 00:17:12,948 --> 00:17:14,693 Yeah. And I think an important point there, 469 00:17:15,264 --> 00:17:17,593 that relative to... So si 470 00:17:18,127 --> 00:17:21,070 sedative for cattle, not for people, and the 471 00:17:21,070 --> 00:17:22,502 only time that it's being used there is 472 00:17:22,502 --> 00:17:25,376 in illicit drugs. And so that's the that's 473 00:17:25,376 --> 00:17:26,011 the problem. 474 00:17:26,804 --> 00:17:29,185 So certainly Appreciate that that you keep up 475 00:17:29,185 --> 00:17:29,820 on that part. 476 00:17:30,613 --> 00:17:30,851 Bob, 477 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:33,123 I wanted to ask you. So 478 00:17:33,741 --> 00:17:35,040 when we think about 479 00:17:35,499 --> 00:17:37,817 identifying a new person that I've gotta work 480 00:17:37,817 --> 00:17:39,515 with on the farm, be they 481 00:17:40,226 --> 00:17:42,135 maybe I need a new accountant, a new 482 00:17:42,135 --> 00:17:45,238 insurance agent, a new risk management person or 483 00:17:45,238 --> 00:17:46,613 somebody to work on my farm 484 00:17:47,005 --> 00:17:47,904 How do I 485 00:17:48,445 --> 00:17:50,065 identify the right person 486 00:17:50,525 --> 00:17:51,244 to work with? 487 00:17:51,965 --> 00:17:54,525 You know, this is obviously, every individual is 488 00:17:54,525 --> 00:17:55,744 different, but I think 489 00:17:56,298 --> 00:17:57,515 finding new talent 490 00:17:57,971 --> 00:17:59,884 is is an issue across all of our 491 00:17:59,884 --> 00:18:01,876 air agriculture. And so I'm looking at it 492 00:18:01,876 --> 00:18:03,391 from, So if I'm a cattle producer. 493 00:18:03,963 --> 00:18:05,237 When you think of all the people that 494 00:18:05,237 --> 00:18:06,828 you rely on, you rely on, you know, 495 00:18:06,908 --> 00:18:08,420 your nutrition your veterinarian, 496 00:18:09,853 --> 00:18:12,263 the, you know, your life... It the market 497 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,120 analyst or market a adviser. You know, So 498 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:16,869 you've got a lot of people and sooner 499 00:18:16,869 --> 00:18:18,221 her later, some of those people are gonna 500 00:18:18,221 --> 00:18:19,891 turn over. You know. Somebody's gonna retire. You're 501 00:18:19,891 --> 00:18:20,686 gonna need a new 1. 502 00:18:22,374 --> 00:18:24,072 And and I personally... 503 00:18:24,930 --> 00:18:26,768 I I like what I'm comfortable with, and 504 00:18:26,928 --> 00:18:28,765 I like the person that we've developed a 505 00:18:28,765 --> 00:18:30,220 relationship with So I guess 1 of the 506 00:18:30,220 --> 00:18:32,140 things that I guess I would say is 507 00:18:32,140 --> 00:18:34,779 we're gonna have the the work of developing 508 00:18:34,779 --> 00:18:36,940 a new relationship. And so you gotta find 509 00:18:36,940 --> 00:18:38,619 somebody that you can work with, somebody that 510 00:18:38,619 --> 00:18:41,119 has 2 things. The skill, and then the 511 00:18:41,174 --> 00:18:43,711 communication that that works 2 ways with you. 512 00:18:44,345 --> 00:18:46,619 And then be willing to be a good 513 00:18:46,739 --> 00:18:47,298 second partner. 514 00:18:48,096 --> 00:18:49,773 I mean, it it should be a win 515 00:18:49,773 --> 00:18:52,327 win relationship. I'm I'm paying for their advice, 516 00:18:52,566 --> 00:18:55,280 and and they are supplying something to me. 517 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,324 But I'm looking for... So I don't necessarily 518 00:18:58,324 --> 00:19:00,099 enjoy, but I should always be on the 519 00:19:00,475 --> 00:19:02,410 lookout for good talent for 520 00:19:02,866 --> 00:19:03,366 information 521 00:19:04,061 --> 00:19:06,944 and skills that I'm gonna need k. Excellent. 522 00:19:07,103 --> 00:19:08,617 And I think you're right. You developed that, 523 00:19:08,776 --> 00:19:09,993 kinda develop that 524 00:19:10,369 --> 00:19:11,405 relationship. Philip, 525 00:19:12,933 --> 00:19:15,399 time to put away round bales in many 526 00:19:15,399 --> 00:19:17,627 areas. And so let's specifically as we think 527 00:19:17,627 --> 00:19:19,750 about putting away round bales, and I want 528 00:19:19,948 --> 00:19:20,448 to 529 00:19:20,901 --> 00:19:22,887 minimize was itch any tips? 530 00:19:23,522 --> 00:19:25,690 Yeah. So a couple of things 531 00:19:26,461 --> 00:19:29,375 related to... That'll help minimize the amount of 532 00:19:29,891 --> 00:19:33,307 stored hey that that is wasted or or 533 00:19:33,307 --> 00:19:35,293 not gonna be consumed by cattle once you 534 00:19:35,293 --> 00:19:36,802 put it out there. Is number 1, get 535 00:19:36,802 --> 00:19:37,596 it up off the ground. 536 00:19:38,887 --> 00:19:40,803 Put it on top... I've seen people put 537 00:19:40,803 --> 00:19:42,400 it on top of old pallet on top 538 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,198 of both tires. 539 00:19:43,996 --> 00:19:46,550 Some people will lay down a bed of 540 00:19:46,550 --> 00:19:48,661 3 inch bigger 4 inch big rock 541 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,033 that will let the water leach away, but 542 00:19:51,033 --> 00:19:52,709 get it off the ground so that moisture 543 00:19:52,709 --> 00:19:54,200 from the ground doesn't get 544 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:55,997 pulled up into the bail. 545 00:19:56,716 --> 00:19:57,196 And then, 546 00:19:58,554 --> 00:20:01,191 spread your... The rows out and don't put 547 00:20:01,191 --> 00:20:02,090 them under 548 00:20:02,404 --> 00:20:04,002 shade trees or on the edge of the 549 00:20:04,002 --> 00:20:06,400 field, you want them in an open area 550 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,637 and with space between the rows. So that 551 00:20:08,637 --> 00:20:11,367 the sun can get down between there. And 552 00:20:11,367 --> 00:20:13,615 dry things out after rain or 553 00:20:14,148 --> 00:20:16,532 snow melt to snow after snow and things 554 00:20:16,532 --> 00:20:18,224 like that. So that 555 00:20:18,533 --> 00:20:20,597 we are again where we're getting moisture. So 556 00:20:20,597 --> 00:20:22,924 whatever you're you're just from the general principle 557 00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:26,394 perspective, whatever you can do to minimize the 558 00:20:26,394 --> 00:20:27,371 amount of moisture 559 00:20:27,999 --> 00:20:29,457 on that bail or 560 00:20:29,914 --> 00:20:32,069 was gonna help reduce the amount of hay 561 00:20:32,069 --> 00:20:35,261 was. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think you're you're 562 00:20:35,261 --> 00:20:36,001 key there's 563 00:20:36,314 --> 00:20:38,388 getting them off the ground and spreading them 564 00:20:38,388 --> 00:20:39,903 out, which a lot of times we don't 565 00:20:39,903 --> 00:20:41,817 wanna burn any more ground than we have 566 00:20:41,817 --> 00:20:44,529 to to have hay storage. Because basically, I 567 00:20:44,529 --> 00:20:47,175 can't do anything else there. But leaving those 568 00:20:47,175 --> 00:20:49,326 gaps between, and you can easily tell do 569 00:20:49,485 --> 00:20:52,216 I have enough gap if I've got sunlight 570 00:20:52,353 --> 00:20:53,946 going back and forth. Right? And a lot 571 00:20:53,946 --> 00:20:55,515 of times you may want that row 572 00:20:55,951 --> 00:20:58,648 north south. Mh. The length wise so that 573 00:20:58,648 --> 00:21:00,710 you've got the sun going east west across 574 00:21:00,710 --> 00:21:02,297 every day. Yeah. That's true. 575 00:21:03,504 --> 00:21:05,891 Dustin, I'm gonna ask you and your your 576 00:21:05,891 --> 00:21:07,585 question a little bit different you 577 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,312 since you work here at the University, you 578 00:21:09,312 --> 00:21:11,381 get interact with that lot of students. 579 00:21:12,195 --> 00:21:14,455 And we often talk about 580 00:21:14,835 --> 00:21:16,134 generational differences. 581 00:21:16,515 --> 00:21:17,335 But if 582 00:21:17,795 --> 00:21:20,035 we want to hire somebody who's in a 583 00:21:20,035 --> 00:21:22,125 younger generation than what are some of the 584 00:21:22,125 --> 00:21:24,515 things that you say that I should be 585 00:21:24,515 --> 00:21:26,267 aware of or I should think about or 586 00:21:26,267 --> 00:21:28,678 maybe there's a generational difference that I should 587 00:21:29,452 --> 00:21:30,010 try to address? 588 00:21:31,061 --> 00:21:33,052 So, a couple years ago, I mean, the 589 00:21:33,052 --> 00:21:34,486 last few years, I was a director of 590 00:21:34,486 --> 00:21:36,876 grad studies. And so, you know, I tried 591 00:21:36,876 --> 00:21:38,788 to recruit students to come to K state 592 00:21:38,788 --> 00:21:39,186 grad program. 593 00:21:39,998 --> 00:21:42,471 And what I noticed is when we would 594 00:21:42,471 --> 00:21:43,986 make offers or when I would wanna talk 595 00:21:43,986 --> 00:21:46,059 to students send an email, and I get 596 00:21:46,059 --> 00:21:47,176 response. Right? And we just go back and 597 00:21:47,176 --> 00:21:49,191 forth. The email, set up time to 598 00:21:49,504 --> 00:21:51,262 be a phone call then. But now it's 599 00:21:51,422 --> 00:21:51,662 Zoom. 600 00:21:52,460 --> 00:21:54,538 You know, probably 20 20, a little after 601 00:21:54,538 --> 00:21:56,855 20 20, it just changed, and I couldn't 602 00:21:56,855 --> 00:21:59,185 get students, like, I would make them an 603 00:21:59,185 --> 00:22:01,660 offer, you know, assistant ship. We pay their 604 00:22:01,660 --> 00:22:04,294 salaries and tuition. And I they just ghost 605 00:22:04,294 --> 00:22:05,491 to me. You would not hear from them. 606 00:22:05,651 --> 00:22:08,539 And was, like, that's odd. So finally, I 607 00:22:08,539 --> 00:22:09,895 had... And it's just... I think it was 608 00:22:09,895 --> 00:22:11,730 a generational thing. Finally, I had all their 609 00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:13,486 cell phone numbers because other applications. 610 00:22:14,058 --> 00:22:15,485 I started texting them, and they would reply 611 00:22:15,485 --> 00:22:17,863 right away. So I just started texting every 612 00:22:17,863 --> 00:22:18,576 single person. 613 00:22:19,211 --> 00:22:20,321 And then that go away outcome. 614 00:22:21,114 --> 00:22:22,883 Otherwise, I might not You just sent an 615 00:22:22,883 --> 00:22:25,540 email, no response. No response. Yeah. And so 616 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:27,677 it just took a little while to figure 617 00:22:27,677 --> 00:22:29,375 that out. I just happened to 618 00:22:30,245 --> 00:22:30,801 start texting. 619 00:22:32,073 --> 00:22:33,424 It's... And there are differences. 620 00:22:34,218 --> 00:22:37,079 And even that more effective than phone calls 621 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:39,483 in in some situations. Yeah. And so for 622 00:22:39,483 --> 00:22:41,082 example, when people call me, and I only 623 00:22:41,082 --> 00:22:43,000 have a cell phone, I don't recognize the 624 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,758 number. I don't pick it up. I will 625 00:22:44,758 --> 00:22:46,116 let them leave voice mail, and I'll call 626 00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:47,655 back, but if they don't leave 627 00:22:48,129 --> 00:22:49,640 a voice mail that I'm not gonna... Yep. 628 00:22:49,879 --> 00:22:51,867 And I've had some of those were working 629 00:22:51,867 --> 00:22:53,777 with students or you call, and it'll say, 630 00:22:54,254 --> 00:22:56,661 voice mail not set up. Right? They're they're 631 00:22:56,661 --> 00:22:58,816 not even gonna get that call if it 632 00:22:58,816 --> 00:23:00,252 doesn't come through, but you text him and... 633 00:23:00,652 --> 00:23:02,248 Amp, Yep. They're right there. So I think 634 00:23:02,328 --> 00:23:03,660 I'll go back to your question, it 635 00:23:04,968 --> 00:23:06,632 probably a little different in every situation. 636 00:23:08,059 --> 00:23:11,072 But the newer or a different generation, it 637 00:23:11,072 --> 00:23:11,365 it 638 00:23:11,884 --> 00:23:14,781 they respond differently. They... And you just 639 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,838 maybe you list talk to other people see 640 00:23:16,838 --> 00:23:19,315 what their experiences are on how to reach 641 00:23:19,315 --> 00:23:21,970 out. To a different generation, how they how 642 00:23:21,970 --> 00:23:23,589 the communicates different 643 00:23:24,130 --> 00:23:26,210 and try to adapt, course... I mean, if 644 00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:28,303 you wanna survive, you gotta adapt, There's the 645 00:23:28,303 --> 00:23:29,840 key. You gotta adapt. Because 646 00:23:30,217 --> 00:23:32,131 otherwise, I mean, I could send them emails 647 00:23:32,131 --> 00:23:33,567 all day and get frustrated about it. But 648 00:23:33,567 --> 00:23:35,321 if that doesn't work, it doesn't make any 649 00:23:35,321 --> 00:23:36,757 sense to continue to do that. You had 650 00:23:36,757 --> 00:23:38,444 that experience recently too with some of our 651 00:23:38,523 --> 00:23:40,986 Missy grads where you said, hey, hey, this 652 00:23:40,986 --> 00:23:42,734 guy, I know was gonna respond to email, 653 00:23:42,893 --> 00:23:44,323 the rest of my head to text. Yeah. 654 00:23:44,481 --> 00:23:46,204 It was an interesting. And and it was 655 00:23:46,643 --> 00:23:48,656 just a few years get a little bit 656 00:23:48,714 --> 00:23:50,409 older, young veterinarian 657 00:23:50,865 --> 00:23:53,755 responded immediately the email. All my younger, young 658 00:23:53,813 --> 00:23:54,132 veterinarians, 659 00:23:54,928 --> 00:23:56,535 they responded to tech. And so I did 660 00:23:56,535 --> 00:23:58,682 both. Yeah. And I think that's... A great 661 00:23:58,682 --> 00:24:01,147 point is adapting and on the figuring out 662 00:24:01,147 --> 00:24:04,344 what that communication is, and just ask Right? 663 00:24:04,503 --> 00:24:05,621 What... How do you how do you want 664 00:24:05,621 --> 00:24:08,095 me to communicate with you? Because I think 665 00:24:08,095 --> 00:24:11,766 that could easily lead to misunderstandings that 666 00:24:12,499 --> 00:24:14,647 it might be perceived as rude or upsetting 667 00:24:14,647 --> 00:24:17,192 that somebody had done something, but they may 668 00:24:17,192 --> 00:24:19,283 not be checking their email. So 669 00:24:19,831 --> 00:24:22,131 Excellent. Appreciate those answers, guys. And Fred, I 670 00:24:22,131 --> 00:24:25,066 really appreciate you joining us, and he's with 671 00:24:25,066 --> 00:24:26,994 the American Association of Bo 672 00:24:27,366 --> 00:24:29,690 practitioner and has a podcast. Have you heard 673 00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:31,443 that I think is a great listen if 674 00:24:31,443 --> 00:24:33,855 you have a chance to get on and 675 00:24:33,913 --> 00:24:36,701 find that on itunes or Google Play? 676 00:24:37,432 --> 00:24:38,943 Thanks, Fred for joining us, and thank you 677 00:24:38,943 --> 00:24:41,010 guys. You have further questions, things you'd like 678 00:24:41,010 --> 00:24:42,203 us talk about, You can send us an 679 00:24:42,203 --> 00:24:44,042 email at Bc at k u idiot.