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Now here's the episode. 13 00:00:30,675 --> 00:00:31,765 - This is Chanel Bunker 14 00:00:31,765 --> 00:00:32,965 with the Becker's Healthcare Podcast, 15 00:00:33,265 --> 00:00:35,645 and I am recording live at the eighth annual Becker's 16 00:00:35,645 --> 00:00:39,085 Health, it Digital health and RCM conference in Chicago. 17 00:00:39,495 --> 00:00:41,445 Right now I'm sitting with Gina Curry. 18 00:00:41,795 --> 00:00:43,405 Gina, thank you so much for joining me today. 19 00:00:43,505 --> 00:00:45,525 Can you please take a moment and introduce yourself 20 00:00:45,525 --> 00:00:46,765 and tell us a bit about your background? 21 00:00:47,945 --> 00:00:51,165 - Yes, thank you. My name is Gina Curry. 22 00:00:51,925 --> 00:00:55,645 I am a clinical registered nurse by my profession 23 00:00:55,745 --> 00:00:56,925 and education. 24 00:00:58,245 --> 00:01:00,005 Actually, it's very interesting that 25 00:01:00,765 --> 00:01:03,645 I was born 10 miles away from Navy Pier. 26 00:01:04,345 --> 00:01:07,245 That's where my healthcare journey started. 27 00:01:08,225 --> 00:01:11,725 For some reason, I wanted to bring a difference to 28 00:01:11,725 --> 00:01:13,205 what I was experiencing, 29 00:01:14,285 --> 00:01:15,845 although I didn't realize this 30 00:01:16,175 --> 00:01:18,445 until later on in my nursing career. 31 00:01:20,545 --> 00:01:22,225 I lived in the Chicago area. 32 00:01:23,065 --> 00:01:25,705 I was educated to become a nurse, 33 00:01:26,705 --> 00:01:28,465 150 miles north 34 00:01:28,765 --> 00:01:32,105 of Chicago at the UW Madison School of Nursing. 35 00:01:33,345 --> 00:01:34,365 And I practiced 36 00:01:34,505 --> 00:01:38,005 and live most of my adult life in Madison, Wisconsin. 37 00:01:39,385 --> 00:01:42,975 There was something still within myself urging me to 38 00:01:43,505 --> 00:01:47,095 bring an answer to that, which led forth for me 39 00:01:47,155 --> 00:01:50,695 to pursue the clinical travel nursing 40 00:01:51,435 --> 00:01:55,415 as a nurse case manager, which brought me 41 00:01:55,435 --> 00:01:58,495 to seven different states in the United States 42 00:01:59,195 --> 00:02:02,255 in many different healthcare systems, um, 43 00:02:02,665 --> 00:02:06,215 comprising from hospitals to outpatient clinics, 44 00:02:06,275 --> 00:02:09,095 to the public health arena, to the home health arena, 45 00:02:09,195 --> 00:02:10,735 and to specialized nursing. 46 00:02:11,915 --> 00:02:15,775 And I am very happy to have experience 47 00:02:15,795 --> 00:02:19,695 and to say that I've practiced nursing to the tip 48 00:02:19,715 --> 00:02:20,895 of my licensure. 49 00:02:21,045 --> 00:02:22,535 I've taken it to the furthest. 50 00:02:22,535 --> 00:02:25,895 So I've been practicing nursing for 41 years now, 51 00:02:26,225 --> 00:02:30,055 which brings me back to Chicago to home now, 52 00:02:30,795 --> 00:02:33,935 and how can I further help my family 53 00:02:34,715 --> 00:02:39,015 and those who have come before me and those who will come 54 00:02:39,025 --> 00:02:42,895 after me in terms of bringing a change in the healthcare 55 00:02:43,575 --> 00:02:45,095 situation or the outcomes for them. 56 00:02:46,055 --> 00:02:48,325 - Quite the challenge you've taken on, huh? ? 57 00:02:49,265 --> 00:02:53,165 - Yes, it is. And I must admit too, that I am very 58 00:02:54,085 --> 00:02:58,805 grateful for, to be born in Chicago to a large family of 10, 59 00:02:59,665 --> 00:03:01,285 and I, uh, have 60 00:03:02,065 --> 00:03:04,965 living family in Chicago area still. 61 00:03:05,825 --> 00:03:07,845 - Got it. And we were kind of talking a little bit 62 00:03:07,845 --> 00:03:09,365 before we started recording 63 00:03:09,435 --> 00:03:11,805 that you're on a different trajectory right now, 64 00:03:11,905 --> 00:03:14,005 but with that, what is your growth strategy 65 00:03:14,025 --> 00:03:15,165 for the next year or two? 66 00:03:16,785 --> 00:03:19,725 - My growth strategy for the next year 67 00:03:19,725 --> 00:03:21,565 or two is deeply personal. 68 00:03:22,105 --> 00:03:26,885 Deeply personal. Why? Because it's what from within? 69 00:03:27,745 --> 00:03:32,725 So that I would be able to bring out the best that I can be 70 00:03:33,065 --> 00:03:37,605 to serve others in my capacity as a clinician 71 00:03:37,825 --> 00:03:39,685 and as a a, a place 72 00:03:39,825 --> 00:03:42,685 or a person who brings healing to 73 00:03:43,505 --> 00:03:45,405 affect the healthcare of others. 74 00:03:46,385 --> 00:03:50,445 So it would be more personal in that I want to 75 00:03:51,015 --> 00:03:53,805 bring out the gift and the best way possible 76 00:03:54,585 --> 00:03:58,325 and to be able to inspire others to reduce 77 00:03:58,855 --> 00:04:02,765 their suffering in whichever way I can, which takes me to 78 00:04:03,645 --> 00:04:05,085 a lot of different practices 79 00:04:05,225 --> 00:04:08,325 and many of those practices are within. 80 00:04:08,865 --> 00:04:12,685 But extending outside more on the terms of 81 00:04:13,845 --> 00:04:17,165 spiritual, spiritual connectedness to everyone, 82 00:04:17,785 --> 00:04:22,585 and to feel into that, that to me is growth. 83 00:04:23,245 --> 00:04:27,545 And I in two years, well, it doesn't, I can't say in terms 84 00:04:27,545 --> 00:04:31,425 of money, but I could say that there would be a huge change 85 00:04:32,085 --> 00:04:35,345 and a collaborative experience so 86 00:04:35,345 --> 00:04:36,465 that people will feel that. 87 00:04:37,145 --> 00:04:39,985 - I love it. Thank you so much and You're welcome. . 88 00:04:40,305 --> 00:04:42,625 . Can you tell us about the most exciting 89 00:04:43,005 --> 00:04:44,385 and impactful initiative 90 00:04:44,485 --> 00:04:45,945 or project you're working on right now? 91 00:04:46,725 --> 00:04:48,625 - Oh, the most impactful 92 00:04:49,125 --> 00:04:52,545 and initiative I'm working on right now would be 93 00:04:52,845 --> 00:04:56,545 to move into becoming, becoming 94 00:04:57,655 --> 00:05:02,625 that nurse care, bringing that care to a way 95 00:05:02,625 --> 00:05:04,745 that it affects a cure. 96 00:05:04,745 --> 00:05:09,425 Because oftentimes we in healthcare, we want to, 97 00:05:10,235 --> 00:05:12,665 we're about bringing a cure, 98 00:05:13,185 --> 00:05:17,385 although we know we all are going to die one day, 99 00:05:17,965 --> 00:05:19,625 we can't cure that. 100 00:05:20,845 --> 00:05:23,865 But conditions, we try to think of ways 101 00:05:23,885 --> 00:05:25,185 and be to be curative. 102 00:05:25,665 --> 00:05:30,495 I like to think of healing and transformation. 103 00:05:30,495 --> 00:05:32,655 So transformation currently 104 00:05:32,655 --> 00:05:35,535 that I'm doing right undergoing right now is I've just 105 00:05:35,895 --> 00:05:37,855 finished, completed a contract. 106 00:05:38,995 --> 00:05:41,415 Um, and that contract role 107 00:05:42,355 --> 00:05:44,335 taught me a lot about myself, 108 00:05:45,595 --> 00:05:50,275 and it opened up many different experiences 109 00:05:50,545 --> 00:05:55,075 that I hadn't connected such that the reason why 110 00:05:56,565 --> 00:06:01,105 I became in healthcare, like I said, it was something 111 00:06:01,935 --> 00:06:06,785 that pushed me, I don't wanna say called me, but urged me. 112 00:06:08,345 --> 00:06:11,365 And I believe it came from through generations 113 00:06:12,225 --> 00:06:13,765 and to bring an answer to that. 114 00:06:14,625 --> 00:06:19,005 So now I'm back to, okay, what has been the effect 115 00:06:19,665 --> 00:06:24,245 on this, my generations, my parents, and in my family 116 00:06:24,505 --> 00:06:25,725 and my communities? 117 00:06:26,305 --> 00:06:30,885 And as I look at that, I don't see, I, I don't find 118 00:06:32,345 --> 00:06:36,835 the impact, and it's not that I should see that impact, 119 00:06:36,895 --> 00:06:41,275 but I don't feel that that connection has been deeply made. 120 00:06:41,655 --> 00:06:45,635 And so I'm reba back now revisiting that 121 00:06:46,455 --> 00:06:50,075 and doing a lot of contemplative practices, taking it 122 00:06:50,075 --> 00:06:53,515 to a higher spiritual level, going deep within 123 00:06:54,145 --> 00:06:58,475 through practices, through meditative practices, through, 124 00:06:58,975 --> 00:07:02,915 uh, physical training, um, in the body, 125 00:07:04,135 --> 00:07:06,435 so as to open up those pathways 126 00:07:07,095 --> 00:07:10,915 and to be able to use my voice, my voice of experience, 127 00:07:11,215 --> 00:07:13,435 and my voice of compassion, 128 00:07:14,095 --> 00:07:17,955 and to work with teams, to, to, to 129 00:07:19,165 --> 00:07:22,315 allow the space for that so that others 130 00:07:24,045 --> 00:07:27,185 as including myself, don't burn out, 131 00:07:27,605 --> 00:07:29,745 but be able to bring our best gift 132 00:07:30,365 --> 00:07:34,545 to the situations when people come for services 133 00:07:34,975 --> 00:07:38,505 because they need healthcare. So 134 00:07:39,195 --> 00:07:40,195 - Thank - You. 135 00:07:40,195 --> 00:07:40,825 That makes sense. It's, 136 00:07:40,825 --> 00:07:43,225 it's very long-winded, and it makes a lot of sense. 137 00:07:43,535 --> 00:07:46,225 It's, it's, and it's, it's very heartfelt 138 00:07:46,525 --> 00:07:50,985 and I find that I have to keep repeating it 139 00:07:51,085 --> 00:07:52,465 and keep feeling it. 140 00:07:52,565 --> 00:07:56,745 So those practices help me feel that, so 141 00:07:56,745 --> 00:08:01,055 that it's not about who I am or what I do, but 142 00:08:01,955 --> 00:08:04,535 but becoming, becoming that. 143 00:08:06,315 --> 00:08:07,985 - Thank you so much. Yeah. I love it. 144 00:08:08,165 --> 00:08:11,145 And Gina, before I let you go, I have one more question. 145 00:08:11,895 --> 00:08:14,465 What is the most important thing healthcare executives 146 00:08:14,485 --> 00:08:15,785 should do now to make sure 147 00:08:15,785 --> 00:08:17,545 that their organiz organizations 148 00:08:17,565 --> 00:08:18,745 are successful in the future 149 00:08:20,105 --> 00:08:21,935 - Healthcare organizations? 150 00:08:22,075 --> 00:08:25,095 And I've worked with many, I am very happy 151 00:08:25,195 --> 00:08:27,455 for this opportunity to speak 152 00:08:28,855 --> 00:08:32,125 and to encourage 153 00:08:33,645 --> 00:08:38,265 the opening and the allowing by leaderships 154 00:08:39,565 --> 00:08:42,635 who employ nurses, 155 00:08:43,325 --> 00:08:47,335 other medical professionals to help 156 00:08:48,215 --> 00:08:52,775 embody or create spaces where we are able to 157 00:08:53,945 --> 00:08:56,365 experience or to, to, to lead 158 00:08:57,065 --> 00:09:01,925 or to go within, to tap into our gifts that we are bringing 159 00:09:02,345 --> 00:09:04,605 to this experience, to affect 160 00:09:06,145 --> 00:09:09,165 the whole outcomes from the healthcare sustainability, 161 00:09:09,425 --> 00:09:13,685 the hospitals, to the patient satisfaction, 162 00:09:14,155 --> 00:09:18,885 safe care, eliminating many of the concerns 163 00:09:19,275 --> 00:09:21,485 that I feel from my experience. 164 00:09:22,345 --> 00:09:27,125 Uh, for example, my very first experience 165 00:09:27,195 --> 00:09:31,925 with a young mom in labor still 166 00:09:32,545 --> 00:09:34,165 is fresh in my memory. 167 00:09:35,005 --> 00:09:36,605 I think about that young girl. 168 00:09:37,975 --> 00:09:42,475 She was in such a state of being that 169 00:09:42,985 --> 00:09:47,955 when I tried to apply the protocol to take care 170 00:09:47,955 --> 00:09:50,965 of her, it didn't feel right. 171 00:09:51,465 --> 00:09:54,485 It didn't fit, it didn't fit the circumstances, 172 00:09:54,825 --> 00:09:56,325 and I tried my best, 173 00:09:56,905 --> 00:09:59,885 but deep within my heart, there was something missing. 174 00:10:01,025 --> 00:10:05,605 And now I come to understand towards the end 175 00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:08,485 of completion of my journey, what it is, is that 176 00:10:10,255 --> 00:10:14,315 the care provided wasn't based on who she was 177 00:10:14,975 --> 00:10:15,995 as a human being. 178 00:10:16,775 --> 00:10:21,495 It was about a program, a policy, 179 00:10:21,855 --> 00:10:24,895 a data that didn't match her circumstances. 180 00:10:25,075 --> 00:10:27,375 And I felt that, and I felt, I, 181 00:10:27,785 --> 00:10:31,425 I felt I really didn't really meet her where she was 182 00:10:31,645 --> 00:10:33,585 and give her the best care she needed. 183 00:10:35,205 --> 00:10:39,835 So I, I, the healthcare settings could help us 184 00:10:39,975 --> 00:10:44,835 by creating a situation where when we feel within our heart, 185 00:10:45,025 --> 00:10:49,715 something different is needed, allow us to be able 186 00:10:49,815 --> 00:10:52,955 to feel free to come and bring that gift 187 00:10:52,975 --> 00:10:57,835 and express it in a way that it really touches the patient. 188 00:10:58,595 --> 00:11:01,995 I mean, that's the simplest way I can say it, 189 00:11:01,995 --> 00:11:06,265 because it's not that I'm asking for protocol changes, 190 00:11:06,845 --> 00:11:10,505 is asking for that space for us to be able to 191 00:11:11,015 --> 00:11:15,905 lead from within and to when we really feel that something 192 00:11:17,205 --> 00:11:18,345 can be changed 193 00:11:18,565 --> 00:11:21,985 or affected for the good of this patient experience, 194 00:11:22,845 --> 00:11:26,135 have a pathway and where we can do that 195 00:11:27,095 --> 00:11:30,035 and we don't burn out and we don't feel bad 196 00:11:30,495 --> 00:11:32,555 and we don't think about that. 197 00:11:32,855 --> 00:11:34,515 The, I mean, not think about, 198 00:11:34,615 --> 00:11:36,035 but we have a connection 199 00:11:36,505 --> 00:11:39,675 that we feel it was almost if we were taking care 200 00:11:39,675 --> 00:11:42,715 of ourselves, lovingly, compassionately. 201 00:11:43,775 --> 00:11:46,315 That's what I would say, how it can do that. 202 00:11:46,415 --> 00:11:50,945 And, and it's not focused on the kind of insurance they have 203 00:11:51,125 --> 00:11:52,505 or the lack of insurance, 204 00:11:53,625 --> 00:11:56,205 but their need, their human need, 205 00:11:57,045 --> 00:11:58,645 - Bringing a more humanistic approach 206 00:11:58,645 --> 00:12:01,285 to healthcare rather than robotic Yes. 207 00:12:01,285 --> 00:12:03,685 Numbers and data, and I love it. 208 00:12:04,145 --> 00:12:07,165 - Yes. Yes. Thank you for that. That's, that's so true. 209 00:12:07,305 --> 00:12:08,805 And how to, how to do that 210 00:12:08,805 --> 00:12:13,325 because I believe if a robot can't, they, 211 00:12:13,435 --> 00:12:16,005 they can't feel what I felt in that experience. 212 00:12:16,105 --> 00:12:18,085 Mm-Hmm. , they, they cannot, 213 00:12:18,825 --> 00:12:22,405 and I still feel for her and, and, 214 00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:25,445 and I really felt that, oh my goodness, 215 00:12:25,665 --> 00:12:27,325 if I had only known you 216 00:12:27,905 --> 00:12:31,205 before you came here into this situation 217 00:12:31,705 --> 00:12:34,885 and to understand what brought you here, 218 00:12:35,825 --> 00:12:37,285 it would really connect me. 219 00:12:37,545 --> 00:12:39,045 And I did connect with that, 220 00:12:39,145 --> 00:12:42,165 but it was like, oh, well, things have to be processed. 221 00:12:42,165 --> 00:12:45,405 This has to be done. And I'm sorry this has to be done. 222 00:12:45,835 --> 00:12:48,085 That didn't feel right. 223 00:12:48,835 --> 00:12:50,205 - Well, Gina, I wanna thank you 224 00:12:50,205 --> 00:12:52,125 for joining me today and for your passion. 225 00:12:52,445 --> 00:12:53,845 I can, I have the utmost faith 226 00:12:53,845 --> 00:12:55,045 that you're gonna change the world. 227 00:12:55,245 --> 00:12:56,765 I appreciate you so much, . 228 00:12:56,905 --> 00:12:58,485 - Oh, I hope not to change 229 00:12:58,545 --> 00:13:03,125 or just to change me so that in effect, if I'm changed, 230 00:13:04,195 --> 00:13:07,315 then I could bring about that effect 231 00:13:07,575 --> 00:13:09,315 and reduce the suffering of others. 232 00:13:09,835 --> 00:13:11,635 - I love it. Thank you so much. 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